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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The Warning. I'm thrilled today

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Speaker 1: to be joined by the long time host and moderator

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Speaker 1: of Meet the Press, the legendary NBC newsman Chuck Todd,

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Speaker 1: who I've known for a very very long time. If

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Speaker 1: I can call you legendary, sadly that means that I'm

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Speaker 1: approaching an age I don't want to talk about.

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Speaker 2: But I think we're both of the same ilk and

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Speaker 2: we've look. I've known you, You've known me since I

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Speaker 2: was I was at a trade publication called the Hotline,

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Speaker 2: which for better for Worse started the newsletter revolution. I

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Speaker 2: say for better for worse. There some days I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure whether we've had, if we what we wrought. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I think I first met you and you

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Speaker 2: were a house guy, right house Republican guy, and our CC.

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Speaker 1: Might have even still had some hair.

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Speaker 2: D I don't believe. I think you took the marine

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Speaker 2: look and you and you ran with it.

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Speaker 1: In all seriousness, I'm thrilled that I have some time

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Speaker 1: with you to talk about happening in the country, what's

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Speaker 1: happening in the media for everybody listening. I have an

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Speaker 1: enormous amount of respect for Chuck and there's a test that.

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Speaker 2: Our run ins and and I say that they were

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Speaker 2: always professional, but we've had our run ins and we've

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Speaker 2: yelled at each other, you know, But it was it

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Speaker 2: was sort of the what I would call normal yelling

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Speaker 2: or as they'd say, and show me the move that

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Speaker 2: showed me the money movie. We were just communicating.

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Speaker 1: Pole takes at the highest level in a presidential campaign

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Speaker 1: in the before times, it's a lot like baseball. And

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Speaker 1: if you ran the campaign, or you ran the communications

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Speaker 1: operation in the campaign, you would occasionally need to do

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Speaker 1: what I would call the Billy Martin with the press, right,

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Speaker 1: which is to come out of the dugout and kick

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Speaker 1: some dirt on them and try to police right. The

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Speaker 1: next stories and so we're gonna talk about the White

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Speaker 1: House Correspondence Association. But one of the things before we

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Speaker 1: before we kind of get deep into conversation as people

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Speaker 1: are listening to this, there's a when the people who

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Speaker 1: have run and won been at the top levels of

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Speaker 1: presidential campaigns get around and talk to one another. Right,

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Speaker 1: all of the media is evaluated, right, the people that

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Speaker 1: are covering the covering, the covering the campaigns, who's good

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Speaker 1: at it, who gets it? Who doesn't it. Really it's

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Speaker 1: a question about like, really who gets politics, And there

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Speaker 1: are there are very very few people. I think you've

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Speaker 1: worked at the top levels of media that people have

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Speaker 1: to or decided tomorrow, hey I want to run a campaign,

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Speaker 1: would be good at it. And you were always a

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Speaker 1: national and infinite testimbly small sliver, all right, people that

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Speaker 1: looked at you with with a real appreciation for your

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Speaker 1: been great at running running in the campaigns too, and

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Speaker 1: and so so what I We're gonna talk about a

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Speaker 1: couple of things today. We're gonna talk about the media.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about politics. We're gonna talk about the country,

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Speaker 1: and you're an expert in all of the trend lines

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Speaker 1: around all of those three things that that interface together.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about some of our disagreements because

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Speaker 1: I want people to appreciate what it is the White

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Speaker 1: House correspondent does, what the disagreements used to be, and

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Speaker 1: where we are now. But let me let me just

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Speaker 1: ask you as we kind of kick off the conversation.

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Speaker 1: You're a couple weeks out of nb NBC now after

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Speaker 1: after two decades there you're watching this play out. I

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Speaker 1: was in Berlin last week watching the German elections play

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Speaker 2: That you that you see when you say, at the

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Speaker 1: Lot of people who are afraid, who are panicked right,

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Speaker 1: a lot of emotion in the in the reactions. What

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Speaker 1: how do you assess what is happening in Washington, DC

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Speaker 1: right now we're seeing what can you contextualize it against

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Speaker 1: any things you've seen? What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think that the biggest impact that I

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Speaker 2: arguably it depends on your point of view, but the

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Speaker 2: and this is something that I've been thinking about too,

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Speaker 2: which is, well, we said the sky was falling last time,

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Speaker 2: and it could have and it was prevented. Now, there

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Speaker 2: was a lot of people that helped prevent Trump one

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Speaker 2: been thinking now, I don't think we've given enough flowers

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Speaker 2: to Ryn's previous and Mike Pence. These were the two

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Speaker 2: gentlemen who stacked the first Trump administration. And whether it

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Speaker 2: they stacked the administration with essentially people that are within

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Speaker 2: the boundaries of America, of American democracy, Right, you're John

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Speaker 2: previous because Trump didn't really know Washington very well. He didn't.

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Speaker 2: He was a little bit in over his head and

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Speaker 2: he let those two guys do things. You know, to me,

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Speaker 2: the biggest missing that's like the biggest missing ingredient on

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Speaker 2: without anybody in his circle, trying to erect a guardrail.

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Speaker 2: Now you look at the press and I think that

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Speaker 2: but I think you'll get where I'm going here is

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Speaker 2: can you can you get the country nervous again right

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Speaker 2: to pay attention? And there is this sense of, well,

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Speaker 2: you can't do the sky's falling coverage again. You can't

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Speaker 2: go back there again because the public is numb or

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Speaker 2: wasn't as dangerous as it could have been, because as

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Speaker 2: my friend Stephen Hadley said to me right after the

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Speaker 2: first right after January sixth, Stephen Hadley, who you remember

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Speaker 2: from you, I think we're probably pretty closely with in

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Speaker 2: the in the first book in the Bush forty three administration,

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Speaker 2: Hadley said to me, you know, you guys did your job,

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Speaker 2: meaning the press, and the country did its job, and

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Speaker 2: the guardrails help. He says, they're bent, but they help,

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Speaker 2: and we should feel good. Now. I haven't had a

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Speaker 2: Are we the good guys or the bad guys? Right

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Speaker 2: at the moment, But when you ask about what what

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Speaker 2: why is the press sort of there isn't a unified voice.

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Speaker 2: I think there is exhaustion from Trump point one point zero,

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Speaker 2: And and then you have a whole bunch of business

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Speaker 2: leaders who decided, if you can't beat them, join them.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: They resisted in the first one. This time they feel

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Speaker 2: have a president who's decided to essentially turn the Republican

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Speaker 2: country is a kleptocracy. It's all paid a play, right,

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Speaker 2: don't I don't think it's an accident that that you know,

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Speaker 2: literally ever since Elon Musk got close with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos has been meddling with the Washington Post like that.

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Speaker 2: It is just there isn't you know? This is a

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Speaker 2: me it's raining moment. It's blatantly obvious. The second Must

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Speaker 2: I gave you a great answer there, but you're asking.

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Speaker 2: I do think there is this weird sort of exhaustion

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Speaker 2: from Trump one point zero that is impacting how the

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Speaker 2: you're wondering, why isn't there a unified press corps here? Well,

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Speaker 2: I think there never has been no, but but there

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Speaker 2: was a unifi Look, we all agreed to fight for access.

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Speaker 2: I always believed my job as a White House correspondent,

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Speaker 2: particularly as a television correspondent, that I was that I was,

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Speaker 2: you know, representing that I had the ability to fight

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Speaker 2: fights with the White House that smaller publications didn't. And

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Speaker 2: you know, look, I to this day, I still I

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Speaker 2: don't regret fighting for Fox's access to a pool that

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Speaker 2: some people have talked about, but I do find it

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Speaker 2: disappointing how muted FOX has been in this fight with

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Speaker 1: I think that this is important in the sense that

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Speaker 1: that they that they have to reckon with. So the

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Speaker 1: White House Correspondence Association that I worked with that I

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Speaker 2: Never thought it was really that relevant of an organization.

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Speaker 2: It felt more like student council for the press Corps.

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Speaker 2: I'll just be honest, Like you know.

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Speaker 1: It's policing of a boundary on access around. There was

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Speaker 1: FOX when it goes to litigation, maintains it's not a

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Speaker 1: news organization. And the White House Correspondence Association tolerated being

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Speaker 1: we're not a news organization. Entertainment follows out your ability

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Speaker 1: as news organizations to credibly maintain a position. And so

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, to me, has conducted a type of blitzkrieg.

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Speaker 1: The I know how this went down. Somebody in the

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Speaker 1: White House looked and said, well, what is the AP's policy.

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Speaker 1: And what they figured out is the AP was violating

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Speaker 1: in the predictable reaction, right, which is the AP is

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Speaker 1: for French right about how you about how you deal

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Speaker 1: with Trump. But it's also an opportunity right now for

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Speaker 1: the White House Corresponds Association, right for legitimate news organizations

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Speaker 1: that have a culture of integrity, right in a set

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Speaker 1: happened has happened. These guys are not a news organization.

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Speaker 1: They're the farm team to the administration. They paid a

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Speaker 1: billion dollar judgment, and we're gonna have an association, but

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Speaker 1: we may be the association that's standing outside the gates,

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Speaker 2: I forgot that, Oh man, what a dumb What a

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Speaker 2: dumb controversy. That is one of the dumber controversies, man.

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of good ones in sports. That

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Speaker 2: wasn't one of them.

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Speaker 1: It was not. And you know he's talking again to

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl, right, the Chiefs and the Eagles. Right,

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Speaker 1: you never forget the Super Bowl lost. And I've said

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Speaker 1: the audience, I said, listen, I said Everyone gets knocked

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Speaker 1: down in life, but no one's ever lost anything as

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Speaker 1: big as me in this room at least, right, I

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Speaker 1: lost a US presidential campaign when you're thirty, When you're

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Speaker 1: thirty seven, right, that happens, you're kind of like, god, fuck,

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Speaker 1: it was me. Right. But the reason John McCain lost

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Speaker 1: right that that election was because George Bush thirty two wars,

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Speaker 1: there were no weapons of mass destruction, and the economy

447
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Speaker 1: imploded right in October, and you had a genuinely generationally gifted, historic,

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00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: historic candidate. And so I don't think there's a lot

449
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Speaker 1: of mystery. I'm gonna the craziest answer that anybody gave

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Speaker 1: into twenty and sixteen election Gold Medalist. Everybody's gonna say Trump,

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Speaker 1: but it's not Trump, it's Jeff Bush. Question that Jeff

452
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Speaker 1: Bush was asked was knowing then what we know now

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Speaker 1: we have invaded Iraqi again, And Jeff Bush goes basically, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: absolutely right. The world's much say first that guy, and

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Speaker 1: Trump basically responds to that with what the fuck is

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Speaker 1: wrong with you?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Everyone in the country knew that Trump was right, that

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Speaker 1: the Jet Bush answer was crazy by twenty and sixteen,

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Speaker 1: But the way that people evaluate this is this guy

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bush won't tell me the truth because somewhere there's

462
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Speaker 1: a magnet under the table or some other card that

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Speaker 1: he cares more about offending his brother. He just won't

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Speaker 1: tell me the truth. So there's gonna be a moment

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Speaker 1: like that. It doesn't matter what goes into DNC topsy

466
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Speaker 1: about what happened in twenty twenty four, Right, but there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a question right about Joe Biden in the

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Speaker 1: dates and people are gonna have to face what Jeff

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Speaker 1: Bush faced, right, And the question is right is if

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Speaker 1: Democrats are going to hold the line to try to

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Speaker 1: walk uphill with the rocks and backpack, to say, oh no,

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Speaker 1: this was a great president, this was a transform this

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Speaker 1: was FDR is Joe Biden. I'm gonna and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: in case I in case I die tonight. I want

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Speaker 1: to be on the record with this prediction. There there

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Speaker 1: will be no Joe Biden Presidential Library. There will be

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Speaker 1: no donations for it, there will there will be none

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Speaker 1: the gravity of what he's done damage to the to

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Speaker 1: the to the cut. Right. But I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you like two things, because there's a media component to

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Speaker 1: this and there is a political component to it, and

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to stay like in the

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Speaker 1: in the political component of it. Right now, when you

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Speaker 1: talk to Democrats, I want people who are watching this

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Speaker 1: to so Chuck talks to everybody in the nature of

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Speaker 1: his job, and Chuck knows more about politics than almost

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Speaker 1: every single person except for maybe over twenty years, like

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Speaker 1: on a district by district base right, that he's that

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Speaker 1: he's ever talked to. Right. So, so Chuck is constantly

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Speaker 1: like computing navigating triangle. This guy said this, right, this

491
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Speaker 1: one said this. That makes sense, this this doesn't right.

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Speaker 1: And so you're able to kind of arrive at through

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Speaker 1: that sorting the understanding of what what is the mean

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Speaker 1: believe right, which is the conventional wisdom. Democrats lost this

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Speaker 1: election to Donald Trump from the perspective of all these

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Speaker 1: Democrats in Washington, because why right, like a month after this, right,

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Speaker 1: they why did they lose? Why do they think they lost?

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Speaker 2: Most of them are going around and just blaming Joe Biden, Right,

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think, look, I can I've got

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Speaker 2: I believe this lost by the Democrats was ten years

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Speaker 2: in the making. I think I think Biden is an

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Speaker 2: easy scapegoat deserve it. Okay, there's a lot of things

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Speaker 2: he deserves.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to cut you. I want to cut you,

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Speaker 1: I want to cut you off on I just wanted

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Speaker 1: just to zone on agreement. Do you What I think

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Speaker 1: is outrageous about it is the notion that like the

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Speaker 1: party didn't know the Democratic Party did exactly give you.

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Speaker 2: A story that I got. I got raked over the

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Speaker 2: colls On when I told this story about six months ago.

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Speaker 2: I had a cabinet secretary, very off the record, Okay,

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Speaker 2: cabinet secretary, right after the twenty two mid terms ask

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Speaker 2: me this question, how can Biden run? Okay, this is

514
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Speaker 2: a pretty high level. This cabinet secretary could never get

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Speaker 2: a one on one could in the Oval office felt

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Speaker 2: as if they were being prevented. This was not no

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Speaker 2: offense to Hut and Labor, but this person wasn't at

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Speaker 2: Hut in Labor, and I'll just leave it at that.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the Big five and they couldn't

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Speaker 2: get a one on one meeting with them. I believe

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Speaker 2: Lincoln was the only one that ever got real one

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Speaker 2: on one meetings. I don't think anybody else did. And

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Speaker 2: it's because Lincoln was in on it. And what do

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Speaker 2: I mean by in on it? You know, this is

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Speaker 2: where I get. I get. I'm going to defend the

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Speaker 2: press a little bit here, because I would argue, why

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Speaker 2: did the country conclude that Biden was too old to

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Speaker 2: be president because of what they saw based on the

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Speaker 2: coverage we were giving. So, for instance, while we had

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Speaker 2: Bagdad Bob like spokespeople inside that West Wing about Biden, Oh,

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Speaker 2: he's never been better, he's never been this. You know,

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Speaker 2: it was us in the press who said, hey, look

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Speaker 2: he's taking the short staircase. It was us in the

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Speaker 2: press that said, hey, he's only doing one event a day.

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Speaker 1: You got a former centleague of yours looked in the

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Speaker 1: camera and told the audience, f you if you don't me.

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Speaker 2: And this is why I'm not going to sit there

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Speaker 2: and defend that. There was a lot of what I

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Speaker 2: call the partisan, the ideologic look for people that are

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Speaker 2: on cable news, but.

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Speaker 1: Said the media.

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Speaker 2: But my argument is that the reason the public had

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Speaker 2: concluded Biden was too old was based on their own observations. Well,

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Speaker 2: how are they observing this? Well, we were the filter.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sitting here defending what many of my

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Speaker 2: idiot colleagues would say, because I would sit there and say,

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Speaker 2: how come you know I couldn't get Joe Biden on

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Speaker 2: meet the The last time I had Joe Biden to

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Speaker 2: meet the press was May of twenty twenty in his basement.

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Speaker 2: I never got him again. That wasn't an accident. They

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Speaker 2: weren't going to put him on with anybody that was

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Speaker 2: going to do a followup question because they were paying it. Right,

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Speaker 2: it was obvious now the question was the fair critique

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Speaker 2: of me? And this could be should I have been

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Speaker 2: more public in complaining about the lack of access to it?

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Speaker 2: And there's a fine line there, you know. For instance,

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Speaker 2: unlike previous administrations, they cut down the number of journalists

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Speaker 2: were even invited to speak with Biden off the record,

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Speaker 2: And you know, there's a fine line between looking like

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Speaker 2: you're complaining that you don't have access, right and so

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Speaker 2: I you know, and frankly, I'm not interested in trying

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Speaker 2: to make myself the story right, but it is if

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Speaker 2: you want to come at me, it's fair to say,

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Speaker 2: how come you didn't shout it more from the rooftops.

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Speaker 2: It's a fair critique. But I would also argue that

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Speaker 2: I did my best at least to showcase the lack

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Speaker 2: of transparency we were getting. Now, the pressure, there is

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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure, right, you feel the sort of

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Speaker 2: when meaning.

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Speaker 1: I think you would ask different questions like I just

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Speaker 1: I just think, I just know, I just know I

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Speaker 1: asked different in the in the in the day to

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Speaker 1: day game. I think you would have asked different questions

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Speaker 1: if you were in the briefing.

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Speaker 2: Real well, I think the briefing room. I think that

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Speaker 2: press score let us down. I agree that should have been.

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Speaker 2: It is in the daily press briefing where you can

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Speaker 2: make a point, right, And that's what I used to do.

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Speaker 2: I used to you know, I I and by the

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Speaker 2: way I used to think about it in terms of

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Speaker 2: I also believe, what question do you want to ask

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Speaker 2: that in six months you're going to be glad you

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Speaker 2: asked at this moment, not every you know, which is

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Speaker 2: to get on the record. You know it's I'm the

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Speaker 2: one who asked Obama the question about chemical weapons and

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Speaker 2: the red line, and he I asked, it is it

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Speaker 2: a red line? He ended up walking into that trap.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't setting a trap. I was literally going, Oh,

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Speaker 2: Obama came out to take a shot at Todd aikin

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Speaker 2: great We've yet to get him on the record on Syria.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to use my time to get him on

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Speaker 2: the record on Syria. And you know what it turned out,

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Speaker 2: it sort of became emblematic of the biggest foreign policy

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Speaker 2: blunder he made short of CRIMEA.

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Speaker 1: So in Germany, talking with German parliamentarians in meetings, you

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Speaker 1: talk about Ukraine and these things come up, and there

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Speaker 1: everybody has a version of events, right, and so you

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Speaker 1: can look at how it is that a German far

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Speaker 1: right party has risen, and you kind to get into that,

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Speaker 1: and you go back and say, well, was there a

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Speaker 1: president named Obama who issued a red line about the

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Speaker 1: use of chemical weapons in Syria? Didn't follow through?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Then? And then what happened next? Was there a German

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Speaker 1: chancellor named Merkle who decided that without asking anyone in Germany,

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Speaker 1: that we would we would at hone for the sins

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Speaker 1: of the Second World War by by letting millions of

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Speaker 1: people into the country.

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Speaker 2: You're you're doing a very good thing here with connecting

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Speaker 2: important dots. That's the thing. This didn't happen overnight.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight. You'll remember this you and I

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Speaker 1: might have even talked about it off the record. The

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Speaker 1: only person in either Europe or the United States who

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Speaker 1: remotely gave a fuck about Vladimir Putin invading Georgia was

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Speaker 1: a guy named John McCain. And on that campaign, when

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Speaker 1: John McCain went out and said we're all Georgians today,

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Speaker 1: I specifically said to him, I'm fucking begging you to stop.

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Speaker 1: No one knows what you're talking about. You sound crazy

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Speaker 1: to the average person.

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Speaker 2: They don't even know which Georgia you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: We're losing two thousand, two thousand and fourteen. Putin comes

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Speaker 1: into the CRIMEA. There's no European there's no European response, and.

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Speaker 2: So what was the American response?

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Speaker 1: And so now you have an offer on the table

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Speaker 1: from the British Prime Minister, and for example, the British

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Speaker 1: Army has seventy two thousand guys in it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: send half the British Army to Ukraine, but we can't

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Speaker 1: get there without the US Air Force. By the way,

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Speaker 1: the draft age in Ukraine is twenty six, so Ukraine

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Speaker 1: does not ask it's eighteen to twenty six year olds

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Speaker 1: to fight. But America is eighteen and nineteen year olds

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Speaker 1: are gonna fly the British Army to Ukraine, and there

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Speaker 1: the British Army will sit unable to defend itself and

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Speaker 1: won't go unless there's an American guarantee that are eighteen

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Speaker 1: and nineteen year olds go to fight are attacked by

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Speaker 1: Russians with the entirety of American foreign policy for eighty

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Speaker 1: years has been to keep Russians and Americans with rifles

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Speaker 1: from ever being anywhere near one another. That was it.

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Speaker 1: So the purpose of NATO was to keep the Germans down,

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Speaker 1: the Russians out, and the Americans in eighty years later. Right,

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Speaker 1: there has to be an imagination of what comes next.

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Speaker 1: There's a German far right party that there's a sixty

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Speaker 1: minute story that shows a knock on the door at

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Speaker 1: six in the morning German German police arresting somebody for

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Speaker 1: hate speech right because they asked a question of a

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Speaker 1: parliamentarian right. A congressman finds a ten thousand euros because

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Speaker 1: you asked a question about an immigrant who was involved

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Speaker 1: into crime, raping. And so the mainstream parties have said,

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Speaker 1: you can't talk about this issue, that issue, this issue,

650
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Speaker 1: in this issue, we will not talk about it, and

651
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Speaker 1: we will not be in government with this other party,

652
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Speaker 1: which is the only party that you can talk about

653
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Speaker 1: these issues with. That party is run at a party

654
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Speaker 1: level by legitimate Nazis, many of them, but twenty percent

655
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Speaker 1: of Germans are at Nazis. But the Extreme Party has

656
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Speaker 1: been made the mainstream party because the Extreme Party is

657
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Speaker 1: the only party where you're allowed to talk about what

658
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Speaker 1: would have been considered a mainstream issue. And like water

659
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: to the ocean, it flows there. And so do you

660
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Speaker 1: when you look at the media, do you think it's

661
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Speaker 1: a fair critique to say that we have a censorious

662
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Speaker 1: media that has tried to police the rules of debate

663
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Speaker 1: about what you can't say talk about on these other

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Speaker 1: things that that's been instrumental in Trump's rise.

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Speaker 2: Look, there is no doubt. And you what happens is

666
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: you get you get edits, you get censorship by omission

667
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Speaker 2: sometimes so you don't do certain stories because you just

668
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Speaker 2: don't want to deal with the internal feedback from employees

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Speaker 2: or from other producers. You know, it is a don't

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Speaker 2: get me started on the Gaza situation and what that

671
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Speaker 2: did internally to MSNBC staffers in particular, and NBC news

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Speaker 2: staffers who you know sat there and said, hey, are

673
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Speaker 2: we you know, are you covering a point of view

674
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Speaker 2: or are we covering the actual story? Right? Like you

675
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: know that that mindset. Look. I was on the I

676
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: was sort of, I think on your side of the debate.

677
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Speaker 2: I thought it was ridiculous to deplatform January sixth people.

678
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Speaker 2: And here's why, ultimately we're America, right, we have the

679
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: First Amendment and deplatforming Donald Trump and then trying to

680
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: deplatform where there was this sort of if you remember,

681
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Speaker 2: you'd have somebody had seen n said we're not going

682
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Speaker 2: to book anybody that didn't certify the election, and then

683
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Speaker 2: somebody else said, yeah, that's same with us, and same

684
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Speaker 2: with us, and same with us. And I never would

685
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Speaker 2: say it, and I even said, I've interviewed the president

686
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Speaker 2: of Iran. Why wouldn't I interview somebody who didn't vote

687
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: to certify the election. I'm actually curious why they wouldn't.

688
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: I want to hear their explanation. I want to be

689
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Speaker 2: able to question this person. Now here's what happens when

690
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: you create and when you suddenly create a situation where

691
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Speaker 2: you can't have a uncomfortable conversation and you tell people

692
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Speaker 2: you got to go somewhere else to have it. Well,

693
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Speaker 2: they're going to develop their own ecosystem. And you know,

694
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Speaker 2: if you want to know why is Donald Trump essentially

695
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Speaker 2: taking control of the White House press corts, Well, it's

696
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: because the Rescorps tried to kick Donald Trump out of

697
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Speaker 2: mainstream society and try to kick all of his boat

698
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Speaker 2: supporters out of mainstream society, sort of practicing what you

699
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Speaker 2: just described that the Germans are doing. And it may

700
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Speaker 2: make you feel good in the moment, and you may

701
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Speaker 2: feel righteous in the moment, but you know, look, there's

702
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Speaker 2: a reason that they're you know, one person's terrorist is

703
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Speaker 2: another person's freedom fighter, right, and a freedom firefighter is

704
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: simply somebody that won the political argument. If they lost,

705
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Speaker 2: they're a terrorist. Right would what would what would colonial

706
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Speaker 2: Americans be had the British defeated, They'd have all been hung.

707
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Speaker 2: They'd have been treated as terrorists. We treat them as heroes,

708
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Speaker 2: but they literally if battles go the other way there,

709
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Speaker 2: you know, we're British subjects to this day. We maybe

710
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Speaker 2: sort of have the relationship that Canada has, but that's

711
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Speaker 2: essentially what we could have been, and we would have

712
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Speaker 2: I don't know if we would have honored those folks

713
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Speaker 2: as freedom fighters as a country, right, So you know,

714
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Speaker 2: there is a we we know sort of how. And

715
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Speaker 2: I do think when I think about all the mistakes

716
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Speaker 2: that have been made when it comes to dealing with Trump,

717
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Speaker 2: the whole idea of platforming, my argument always is I

718
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: didn't platform them the voters, did you know? I used

719
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: to say this to my staff internally, everybody hates Trump

720
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Speaker 2: except the voters. So we better, you know, cover what's

721
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Speaker 2: going on here rather, you know. I had a motto

722
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Speaker 2: that I would say every once in a while on air,

723
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Speaker 2: I'm stuck covering politics as it is, not as I

724
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Speaker 2: wish it were. And I do think there are too

725
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Speaker 2: many members of the press corps that think, particularly after

726
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Speaker 2: the Trump election, because you have sort of these fake

727
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Speaker 2: journalists that are journalism professors who've never practiced it. There's

728
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Speaker 2: this guy at New York University who teaches at New

729
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Speaker 2: York University. I don't think he's ever been a practicing

730
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Speaker 2: and you know him and he had Margaret Sullivan, and

731
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Speaker 2: they created this atmosphere that said, if you're not resisting,

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Speaker 2: you're not you're not being a true journalist. Well, look,

733
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Speaker 2: do I think there's a role for activist journalists? I do.

734
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Speaker 2: Do I think we're in a period, you know, I

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Speaker 2: prefer to look at this. I'm hoping we're we're in

736
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Speaker 2: the middle of a rerun of the first thirty years

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Speaker 2: of the twentieth century. Why do I like? Why do

738
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Speaker 2: I say that? Because the first thirty years of the

739
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Speaker 2: twentieth century are very similar to what we're dealing with

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Speaker 2: right now. A rise of a new economy, the industrial economy,

741
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Speaker 2: now it's this tech economy, the rise of massively wealthy people,

742
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Speaker 2: a major transition from an agrarian to an industrial There

743
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Speaker 2: are winners and losers. We're in the middle of winners

744
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Speaker 2: and losers right now. And we also realized we needed

745
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Speaker 2: a bunch of political reform. And in that thirty year period,

746
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Speaker 2: we haven't got the right to vote direct election of senators.

747
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Speaker 3: And we moved journal ordemic. We had journalists, we had

748
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Speaker 3: a lot of and journalism went from partisanship. The nineteenth

749
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Speaker 3: century journalists were worse than the partisan hacks of today.

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Speaker 3: But we got the muckrakers right the word muckrakers. The

751
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Speaker 3: muckrakers were these independent journalists that were no longer going

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Speaker 3: to be mouthpieces for a political party.

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Speaker 2: And you know, some of it was good, some of

754
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Speaker 2: it was not good, but all of it served to

755
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Speaker 2: sort of And all we're missing now is who's going

756
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Speaker 2: to be Teddy Roosevelt?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And I think we just don't know who that's gonna

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Speaker 2: be yet. And you know, I'm of a mindset that

760
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Speaker 2: you know, you can't you can't pick the person. The

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Speaker 2: people will pick the person who does this.

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Speaker 1: Does Chuck Schumer remain a Senate leader?

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Speaker 2: I don't know why he's there now. I think it

764
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: was time to time to move on. There shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: a single person over the age of seventy five in

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Speaker 2: leadership in the Democratic Party and Schumer And it's funny,

767
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Speaker 2: is it Schumer's own Schumer used to have terrific political instincts.

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Speaker 2: It's what made him why he Senate leader, because he knew, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I gotta you know, I'm gonna let Jim Webb run

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Speaker 2: the race he wants to run in Virginia. I'm gonna

771
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Speaker 2: let John Tester run the race he wants to run.

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Speaker 2: Claire mccaskell. This was a guy that knew how to

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Speaker 2: recruit Red states candidates to be competitive and understood how to,

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00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: uh let everybody manage their own politics. That he was

775
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: he'd do what he could do best raise money, and

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Speaker 2: he sort of was was was was a little bit

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Speaker 2: and then of course he got sort of consumed by

778
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Speaker 2: leadership right the minute he became head of the party.

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00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: Then suddenly he felt as he had to be a messenger. Look,

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Speaker 2: you know this is the case where not everybody just

781
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: because you're good at one thing doesn't mean you're going

782
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Speaker 2: to be good at everything. When you kept Schumer focused

783
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Speaker 2: on in a campaign mindset, he's really good. He's not

784
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: a policy guy and he never has been. And now

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Speaker 2: you put him in here trying to come up with

786
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Speaker 2: messaging kind of a policy and I just think he's

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Speaker 2: you know, you wouldn't hire Justin Verlander to be your

788
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Speaker 2: ace anymore. That doesn't mean Justin Verlander isn't one of

789
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 2: the all time greats. It is time. It is time

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00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: for them to move on from Schumer. But this is

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Speaker 2: this is why I go back and say the Democratic parties,

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Speaker 2: you know that Joe Biden ever should have been there

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Speaker 2: in the first place, right number one, he shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: run for president. I completely got so angry at Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden the man. When I read the transcript of the

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden trial, and when I realized that not one,

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00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 2: not two, but three Biden children, and I count Bo's widow,

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Speaker 2: we're all dealing with drug problems in twenty eighteen, and

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, Joe Biden said, now's a perfect time to

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Speaker 2: run for president because who cares about our family? I

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Speaker 2: have to tell you something about Joe Biden. There's this

802
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: mythology about Joe Biden that the man cared so much.

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Speaker 2: It's all bullshit. This man supposedly cared so much about

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Speaker 2: his family that he commuted every day. I could guess what.

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Speaker 2: This man cared so much about his political career that

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Speaker 2: he commuted every day, right Like, I could take the

807
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: same fact and we've created it, created a myth, and

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00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: he did it for fifty forty years. God blessholm that

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00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: he was this incredible family man and instead what he

810
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Speaker 2: really was was a craven political animal that never it

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Speaker 2: was desperate. The man considered or ran for president every

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Speaker 2: four years he was eligible. You know why he didn't

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Speaker 2: run in seventy six. He wasn't thirty five. Yet that's

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Speaker 2: the only reason.

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Speaker 1: I literally made a room gasp full of people, and

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Speaker 1: I prefaced what I said that made them gasp with that,

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Speaker 1: and I said, literally, I take a backseat to nobody

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Speaker 1: in a country of three hundred and forty million people

819
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Speaker 1: of my criticism of Donald Trump. Nobody right, And I

820
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Speaker 1: don't think it's polemic criticism. I think I've been I

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Speaker 1: think I have been correct, and I think I ran

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Speaker 1: not what became the Grift, but a political organization that

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Speaker 1: was incredibly effective right in beating Donald Trump in twenty twenty,

824
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Speaker 1: the you know, the Lincoln Project before it became unfortunately

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Speaker 1: something that pockets ninety cents of every dollar. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's all saying right that every cause becomes a business,

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Speaker 1: right becomes a becomes a racket. But what I said

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Speaker 1: to the group that made them gasp, I said, I

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Speaker 1: have five kids, and if I had to leave twelve

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Speaker 1: year old alone, and my choices, part of my conservatism,

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Speaker 1: like small c is like I just accept that we

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Speaker 1: live in an imperfect, fallen world. Right. I'm a pragmatic person, right,

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Speaker 1: who tries to be idealistic, right, But it's like working

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Speaker 1: out right, I.

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Speaker 2: All perfect union, the fault.

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Speaker 1: Right on perfect union in it, but in that imperfect

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Speaker 1: fall in the world. How to leave the kids with someone?

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Speaker 1: And my choices are Hunter Biden or Ashley Biden or

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Speaker 1: Don Junior and Eric and Laura Trump. Like I'm dropping

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Speaker 1: the kids off at Don and Eric and Laura's hops.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll do Eric's house, not Don's house. I have

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Speaker 2: a feeling.

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Speaker 1: For overnight. I want to I wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get into one last thing before before

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Speaker 1: we wrap up. We talked about this in Germany, about

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Speaker 1: about what happened in election. And one of the one

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Speaker 1: of the convictions I know we share and I'd love

848
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: to talk about it another time, just just literally for

849
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Speaker 1: an hour, is about how the oj trial is the

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Speaker 1: is the beginning of the of the modern American media,

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Speaker 1: of a lot of things. I know, we we've talked about.

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Speaker 2: And Bill Clinton, you don't get Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: You and you and I You and I talked many

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Speaker 1: years ago. I don't remember about it. Whether we should

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Speaker 1: write a book together about the worst generation, right to

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Speaker 1: answer the brokeaw generation, right about the right about the baby.

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Speaker 2: Boomers, Oh, the baby boomers, and they're still screwing us anyway.

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Speaker 1: The Democratic Party came to embrace a dogma inside of

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Speaker 1: Washington that came out of universities that held the black guy,

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Speaker 1: the white guy, and the hispanic guy had nothing in

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Speaker 1: common because of their racial differences. And yet when I

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Speaker 1: when I drive by a highway work site, I see

863
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: the black guy, the white guy, and the hispanic guy

864
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: all working together. And if I go to a bar

865
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: on a Thursday night, I might see a lot of

866
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: those guys in there after work having a beer together. Right.

867
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: I just I reject at that version vision of America.

868
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: It's it's completely delusional. Now, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump

869
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: used to play a lot of golf together, and I

870
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 1: don't think there was ever a time there were any

871
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: women in the forsomes.

872
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure there went.

873
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm just gonna say that I have

874
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: a very good idea about what Trump and Bill Clinton

875
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: talked about, and because I have an understanding of that,

876
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: I understand perfectly how it is that five of the

877
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: women who accused Bill Clinton of rape wound up sitting

878
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: front row with a presidential debate. Because I don't recall

879
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: Donald Trump ever criticizing Bill Clinton on any of his

880
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: personal issues at all until he's in this race with

881
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. So I'm just gonna lay out with the

882
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: Democratic message has been, it is fundamentally been that there's

883
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: a good party and there's a bad party, and the

884
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: good party is the Democrats. The bad party is Trump,

885
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: and Trump is covered by the good media who will

886
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: tell the stories the bad people. But then, well you

887
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: got Senator Menendez right with the gold bars, and Chuck

888
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: Schumer says, no, nah, he's a great public servant to

889
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: the people of New Jersey. And so in each instance, right,

890
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: the good Party right fall short. And what I'm struck

891
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: by is is, after losing an election as the good party,

892
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: why did you lose? Well, you managed to lose an election,

893
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: mister and missus Democratic leader, the sixth of you to

894
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: the most prolific liar in American history, and fundamental questions

895
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: of honesty. Honesty about Biden's fitness, Honesty about the state

896
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: of the border, honesty about the economy. You called it Bidenomics,

897
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: said it was the best in American history, right, and

898
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: shouted down anybody who said it sucked for me. That's

899
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: why you lost, Right, You lost on questions of honesty.

900
00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: And so now right in the loss, you have all

901
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: these Democrats for ten years. As you point out of

902
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: run as the good party, Now all of a sudden

903
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 1: are demanding where the fuck Trump Party? The only way

904
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: out of this, the only way out of them is

905
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: to offer something better. It's an embrace of idealism. It's

906
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: an embrace of idealism and the last day. And I

907
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: deeply believe this. I believe this with all my heart.

908
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: The United States will go to Mars in our lifetime.

909
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: Elon Musk will not be along for the ride. I

910
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: know how this will end.

911
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be terrible.

912
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: Right this, these companies. Mark Zuckerberg destroyed his company. His

913
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: company will be broken up because it's a threat to

914
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: American liberty. I would advise mister Zuckerberg or any of

915
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: my former colleagues who work for him right to give

916
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: him a copy of FDR speech in nineteen thirty six

917
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: to the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia and then the one

918
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: he gave in Madison Square Garden right before the election.

919
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: These companies will be broken up. They have gotten too big,

920
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: too powerful, monopolistic. They threatened our children, they poisoned our children,

921
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: and nobody did anything but the threatened to direct attack

922
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: and the avarice and the greed and taking the democracy.

923
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: These companies will not survive it. And we don't live

924
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: in a bottom top down country. We live in a

925
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: bottom up country. And that's why these protests will come

926
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: from and they'll manifest outside of Washington. No, I agree

927
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: to that, and I think what's going to happen this

928
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: month is his poll numbers will collapse, The protests will

929
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: begin with the warm weather. There will be hundreds of

930
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: thousands on the street. He will send in the military

931
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: under this Edition Act, which will provoke a million people

932
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,959
Speaker 1: on the street, and the US military will never open

933
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: fire on the American people. And we're going to We're

934
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: going to see a tsunami in the midterm elections of

935
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: people that fall now into competitive situations that they ever

936
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: they never thought, Hey, what do you mean the Sinnati

937
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: waves coming for me? Right? I built? I built my

938
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: house thirty feet high in a quarter mile inland.

939
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: But I also believe I think we're the reason I'm

940
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: with you on. Look, we've been in a We've had

941
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: a series of elections that we the voters made a

942
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: decision on who they didn't want, rather than making a

943
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: decision on who they wanted. Right, they they didn't want

944
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton, they didn't want Donald Trump, and they didn't

945
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: want Kamala Harris and didn't want another to us, that's right,

946
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: and they didn't want another. Right, So they know what

947
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: they don't want. There is an agreement on what on

948
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: the type of person yet that we do want. So

949
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 2: I do think we're going to continue to have what

950
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: I call our over corrections. Right, we've been over correcting.

951
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: But let me go back to something because you were

952
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: getting at it, and the generational mistake that Barack Obama made,

953
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: and the reason I say that, you know, Hillary Clinton

954
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: and Joe Biden never should have been the nominees in

955
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: sixteen and twenty. Let's go back to two thousand and six.

956
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: It was the single best set of Democratic victors that

957
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: the party had had, really in a generation, not since

958
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: the eighty six Senate. The eighty six Senate victors turned

959
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: out to be literally the best versions of senators they

960
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: had in a generation. Dashell gets elected, then Bob Graham

961
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: gets elected. Then yet all these there was a whole

962
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: slew of these guys. Rick Shelby as a Democrat by

963
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: the way back then, then he eventually But the point

964
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: is is that there was this slew of people that

965
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: would become pretty important senators and leaders of the party

966
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: down the road. The two thousand and six when just

967
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: look at the winning Senate candidates right yet, John Tester,

968
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: Shared Brown, Claire mccaskell, Jim Webb, these were unusual political

969
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 2: figures at the time. The House elected a whole bunch

970
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: of these military veterans. Right, Rom went out there and

971
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: recruited patriots, right, he said, I'm going to get veterans.

972
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: We're going to beat back this idea that the Democrats

973
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: are somehow you don't love the military. Right, And it

974
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: was very effective, and that those class that generation. This

975
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: was essentially our generation getting leadership inside the Democratic Party.

976
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: Our generation got leadership inside the Republican Party in twenty ten. Right,

977
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: that was when Marco Rubio got elected. Tom Cotton, Right,

978
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: you had all that that generation comes in and so

979
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: and that's when you get to Gen X. And what

980
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: did Barack Obama do in twenty fifteen? He basically discouraged

981
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: that entire generation of candidates from running for I left

982
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: out Amy Klobshar, another one elected in oh six, which

983
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: would have been their natural time to run, Right, they'd

984
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: have been eight years, all of them would have just

985
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: won their second term as senator. So you found out

986
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: which ones were any good. Turns out, Jim Webb wasn't

987
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: a great politician, so he was a one termer. But hey,

988
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: shared Brown was pretty good. Amy Klobshar was pretty good.

989
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: Claire mccastell was pretty good. They got John Tester, they

990
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: got their second terms. So you and you had people

991
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: proving it in Missouri, Ohio, Minnesota, Montana. Right, these aren't

992
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: These aren't blue states by any measure. And instead of

993
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: Barack Obama, who by the way, was elected because he

994
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: wasn't Hillary Clinton, he decides to put his arm around

995
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton. And now I've had this conversation with people

996
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: close to Obama. Obama's rationale was simply, well, she earned it,

997
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: and he felt he owed a political payback to Bill

998
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: Clinton for Bill Clinton's help in twenty twelve. He was

999
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: this member of the Secretary of explaining shit his twenty

1000
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: twelve His twenty twelve convention speech was the single best

1001
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: speech of Barack Obama's re election campaign.

1002
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question, which is she earned it?

1003
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: Does that mean she earned by endorsement?

1004
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great a statement.

1005
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: That's so arrogant. Yeah, she earned the nomination because she

1006
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: earned my endorsement, because I decided it's my time. Because

1007
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: earning my endorsement, Yeah, it's different than earning the nomination,

1008
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: which doesn't get earned by an endorsement.

1009
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: But Robert, look to me, I mean, this is where

1010
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 2: I don't think we fundamentally understand. Why put it this way?

1011
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, if I told you the following scenario

1012
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: was going to happen, Barack Obama was gonna stop anybody

1013
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: serious from challenging Hillary for the nomination, but Hillary was

1014
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: still going to struggle for the nomination because a gadfly

1015
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: from Vermont was going to be her chief challenger. Okay,

1016
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: you just said, I don't really that's an out there scenario.

1017
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 2: We want to be Martin O'Malley, won't it be someone

1018
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: a tad more conventional? But to me, the rise of

1019
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders in twenty sixteen is the most direct evidence

1020
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 2: of like, how desperate were Democrats to not nominate half

1021
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 2: the party not nominate Hillary Clinton. They were willing to

1022
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 2: support an about socialist Okay, who was frankly a guy

1023
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 2: who'd never gotten a bill passed in Congress who was

1024
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: just there. You know, I've always said I'm glad that

1025
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: he was there. There should be somebody representing every wing,

1026
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: at least somewhere in the US Congress, right want I

1027
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: want those voices heard, you know, I think it's important.

1028
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 2: I remember I put him on Meet the Press in

1029
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: October of twenty fourteen, and he said it's the first

1030
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: It was the first time he'd ever been invited onto

1031
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: a Sunday show, and I thought, well, that's shame on

1032
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: every Sunday show host. You know, when a socialist gets

1033
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 2: elected mayor of Burlington, that should have been worthy of

1034
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: putting them on. When a socialist gets elected to Congress,

1035
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: that should have been worthy of putting them on. We

1036
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: ought to find out why he had some traction. But

1037
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: when I look back now in this whole twenty sixteen

1038
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: decision by Barack Obama, you know, I one of my

1039
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: new I love alternative history because I think the best

1040
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: way to teach real history is to point out the

1041
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 2: butterfly effect, moments that had one thing changed, that could

1042
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 2: have changed everything. What if Barack Obama had gotten rid

1043
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: of Biden for his reelect in twenty twelve and thought

1044
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 2: about his movement the way Donald Trump, it's been talked into.

1045
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: Thinking about it, he said, I'm going to have a

1046
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 2: running mate that might be able to cement my legacy

1047
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: for a generation. So I'm going to pick an unqualified

1048
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: forty year old. And I don't mean that forty year

1049
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 2: old makes him unqualified for me. Vance is unqualified because

1050
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: he's not lived a life enough life yet to understand.

1051
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: He just hasn't lived a real life. He wrote about

1052
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: a tough life, but he actually has never had a

1053
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: real job, right, He's been sort of hand I mean, look,

1054
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 2: I admire him for writing the book because that got

1055
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: him somewhere. He clearly is a smart guy. He clearly

1056
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 2: is an articulate guy, and he's used that to essentially

1057
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 2: have it easy in life.

1058
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: He's a less He's a He's a frivolous guy elected

1059
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: in a frivolous age that will augur in a serious

1060
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: era that I hope does not turn into a catastrophic one.

1061
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, but anyway, I go back.

1062
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: I just go back to that moment because I do

1063
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: think as much as look, I think the bidens, you know,

1064
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: the bidens are are Shakespearean lessons there right, just there there.

1065
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: You know, we didn't have Shakespeare Biden would be that

1066
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: the Bidens would be would have been would have been

1067
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: our first example of a Shakespearean type of situation. And

1068
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 2: and you know, look, there's always been a part of

1069
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: me that's empathetic to Hillary Clinton because I've always but

1070
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 2: I always believe she lost because of her last name,

1071
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: not because of her first name.

1072
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: She's an extraordinary person, do you when you say that?

1073
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean you get to be It doesn't

1074
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: mean you know, part of the job of being president

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Speaker 2: is persuading a majority of the country that you get them.

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Speaker 2: And Hillary Clinton hated politics, and guess what, if you

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Speaker 2: hate politics, you're going to be a terrible president. You've

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Speaker 2: got to like politics and people if you want to

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Speaker 2: be a president.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it also coming back to a first principal piece

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Speaker 1: and issues a remarkable person. I know you agree with that,

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Speaker 1: I do. I do, But isn't it just as simple

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Speaker 1: as the same thing. And it would be just the

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Speaker 1: same if we had a woman president and then her

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Speaker 1: husband decided to run. We're not a dynastic country.

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Speaker 2: We usually reject it. We don't like it. Mon Pa.

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Speaker 2: The governors of Texas We didn't like it when they

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Speaker 2: tried it. We didn't like it when George ler Lene

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Speaker 2: Wallace was governor. That was sort of the beginning of

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Speaker 2: the end of Wallace. You know, eventually in Alabamas will

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Speaker 2: succeed Ronda Santas. And by the way, the rod just

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Speaker 2: sayt is. You know, here's a guy who's frustrated that

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Speaker 2: Trump is basically preventing him from having any more political future.

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01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: Well guess what when you choose to ride that role

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01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: a coaster and he jumped on that tiger. He didn't run.

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Speaker 2: He ran for governor on one issue like Trump, right,

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Speaker 2: and literally the most qualified Republican in forty years, Adam Putnam,

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Speaker 2: who was a terrific member of Congress, you know, played

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Speaker 2: by the rules. Was I say this when I say

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Speaker 2: by the rules, meaning like you know, he he respected

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Speaker 2: the democracy. Okay, he paid his dues both as a

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Speaker 2: as a Republican, a good standing right, But he'd actually

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Speaker 2: thought about being governor for twenty years. Rond de Santis

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Speaker 2: woke up one day and said, hey, I can win

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Speaker 2: if I just ride Trump's Okay, you did, but you

1106
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: guess what lived by the sword, died by the sword,

1107
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: and Donald Trump has decided to just knife them, and

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Speaker 2: I have no I have no empathy for because Ron

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Speaker 2: de Santis chose to not govern the entire state of Florida.

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Speaker 2: He only governs for people that supported him. And it's

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Speaker 2: been and you know, I actually have some hope that

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Speaker 2: Byron Donald's is a bit more transactional in his relationship

1113
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 2: with Trump. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say as we close, that's why I

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01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: asked you one last thing, and I just saying to everybody,

1116
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Speaker 1: kind of the best The best thing you can watch,

1117
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: I think on sub sac right now is the Crystal

1118
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: is a and Chuck Todd hour every week. So I

1119
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: encourage you to follow Chuck and to follow Chris and.

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Speaker 2: I will have my my podcast is coming back. I'm

1121
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: I'm literally I'm I'm in the middle of negotiating. But

1122
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 2: it's it's a fun industry. This in the world of

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Speaker 2: independent journalism. Steve that you've had a lot of success

1124
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: in it. It's kind of fun. I mean, I've been,

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Speaker 2: I've been, I've I was nervous about jumping off the

1126
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Speaker 2: cliff and leaving the cocoon, but there's plenty of water.

1127
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: It was a deep dive, but it was plenty of water.

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Speaker 1: You live in the pirate's life now, Yes, I like it.

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Speaker 2: Pirates.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be a pilot. Who were the I

1131
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: don't think that necessarily any of them are in Washington,

1132
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Speaker 1: but I hold open that there could be. Right, I

1133
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: think Amy Klobachar is about to I.

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Speaker 2: Think I think the whole Gen X generation, though, is

1135
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 2: probably getting past their cell by date. I'm a little

1136
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 2: worried that they're not the answer anymore.

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Speaker 1: I think, like a Chris Murphy in the Senate is

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Speaker 1: about to have some big moments. I think in Amy

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Speaker 1: Klobator in the Senate right, is going to do some

1140
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: good stuff right in the in the years.

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Speaker 2: She should be the next Senate dem leader. But but

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Speaker 2: who right, she's more likely. I think she's on that track.

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Speaker 2: You know, look, I think you know who.

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Speaker 1: Are the most important Democrats in the country right now

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01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: around which an opposition can coagulate. I'm gonna throw one out. JB. Petzger.

1146
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: He's given the best speech before the Illinois Legislature talking

1147
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: about the exigent issues right like like a like at.

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Speaker 2: Well, He's filling a void that is clearly out there,

1149
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: which is somebody needs to to screaming to the void here.

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01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: Who are the who are the most? Who are who

1151
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: are the but by bye, by athlete potential? Who are

1152
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: who are the people?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: Who are the people right now?

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Speaker 2: I'm of the mindset there, if they exist, they're all

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Speaker 2: governors right, whether it's you know we can have I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm not as sold on Josh Shapiro and Wes Moore

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01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 2: as others are, but I certainly think they've got Wes

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Speaker 2: Moore's probably got the deepest financial rolodex, to use an

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Speaker 2: old term, than anybody because of what he did back

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Speaker 2: in New York City as head of the Robin Hood Foundation,

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01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: which is just a massive charity up there, So he

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Speaker 2: probably knows more Wall Street donors than anybody that will

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Speaker 2: be running. I think he is the I think he

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Speaker 2: is going to be the establishment juggernaut early. You know

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Speaker 2: how there's always one that sort of gets all the

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Speaker 2: A list consultants, the A list donors, the A list.

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Speaker 2: He will be the first one.

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Speaker 1: So that now that that's the worst thing that could

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Speaker 1: happen to you, I don't think I'll think, but I

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Speaker 1: keep thinking about the following factoid.

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Speaker 2: Steve at this point in time in twenty seventeen, people

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 2: didn't even know who the mayor of South Bend was,

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Speaker 2: and if they did, they were like, how do you?

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01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: But Butdy did, but Pete? But have you seen this

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 2: guy who's running for DNC chair. He's kind of interesting, right,

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Speaker 2: The point being, I am so with you in that

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Speaker 2: I actually don't think the current future of the Democratic

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Speaker 2: Party is an elective office in this moment. I think

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Speaker 2: that we will see, you know, I want to watch

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Speaker 2: Abigail Standberg. I think she's got you know, I look,

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Speaker 2: I'm a college football fanatic. I think she's a five star,

1183
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 2: four to five star recruit. But some four to five

1184
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: star recruits, once you put her out in the field,

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Speaker 2: they're no good at this, right. You know, you think

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01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: one thing and you're like, oh, I thought they would

1187
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: be you know this or that, and it didn't, you

1188
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Speaker 2: know whatever. But I want to see how she performs.

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Speaker 2: I think that they're there is such a desire for

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01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 2: new water to drink, Okay, not just any water, new

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01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 2: water to drink, that somebody who's not elected yet will

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Speaker 2: be able to go viral for some moment. Maybe it's

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Speaker 2: at their debate for Congress, maybe it'll be in an

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Speaker 2: announcement speech that one of them gives. Maybe it's standing

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Speaker 2: up in a state legislature. You know suddenly you know,

1196
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 2: and you're like, who the heck was that? Right? But

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01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 2: two things stand out to me that make me think

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Speaker 2: we are going to get a super outsider out of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: One is, I know you know the answer to this,

1200
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Speaker 2: but I'll give you I'll make it a trivia question.

1201
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 2: Who is the Senate candidate who overperformed Kamala Harris the

1202
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 2: most in twenty twenty four? Oh, on the non Republican side.

1203
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 2: And I've just given you a huge flu by using

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Speaker 2: the phrase non republican.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's the guy from Nebraska, Dan Osborne. Okay, he overperformed

1207
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: Harris better than in any other Senate candidate did. And

1208
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Speaker 2: we know all the Senate candidates in general basically overperformed Harris,

1209
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 2: but he did it the most. Not a member of

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party.

1211
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: When you look at Pete Bootage, this was a guy

1213
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 2: who wanted to run for DNC chair just to get

1214
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Speaker 2: his name out there. I think he was thinking about

1215
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 2: running for governor of Indiana. Little did he even he

1216
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 2: wasn't thinking that this is did he did? He had

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Speaker 2: want to run for president someday. Yeah. Every Harvard kid

1218
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 2: I meet at the IOP wants to run for president. Okay,

1219
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: I know that you know that you met. I think

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Speaker 2: you served half a term up there.

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Speaker 1: Right with University of Chicago. But I've been right.

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Speaker 2: They're all I'm doing USC students. Man, I got eighteen

1223
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 2: of them this semester. Every one of them's running for

1224
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 2: office or wants to be you and advise people to

1225
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: run for office. Right, they're there, So I have no

1226
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: doubt Pete Bootage had a plan to run for president

1227
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Speaker 2: in twenty thirty two. Little did he know that he

1228
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Speaker 2: was going. To the point being, is I think there's

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Speaker 2: such a desire. I go back to twenty sixteen when

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Speaker 2: the gad flied from Vermont caught fire more than arguably

1231
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: Martin O'Malley, who on paper had all the better correct

1232
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Speaker 2: a resume, points right, two term governor, pretty successful, two

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Speaker 2: term mayor of Baltimore, the least corrupt mayor Baltimore had

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Speaker 2: in a generation. Like I always thought he was too uh,

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01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 2: he'd looked too much like John Edwards, which is why

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01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 2: he never got traction. I think people were like, I

1237
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 2: ain't going I ain't falling for that again, you know

1238
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 2: type of mindset. But my point is, I'm we are

1239
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 2: weaseling out of your question? Do I think I'm Jared

1240
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 2: Paulus intrigues me. Andy Basheer intrigues me. I'm a little

1241
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 2: skeptical of Pritzker for this reason. He looks like a

1242
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 2: political cartoon caricature of what a wealthy politician would look like.

1243
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sorry, I'm going to say something. It's

1244
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 2: not fair, but he's got a you can't look, you

1245
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: can't look like a stare type of how billionaires are described. Okay,

1246
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 2: So I think that he ultimately, I think he is

1247
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: going to be the person that sort of helps with

1248
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 2: message for the party. I think he's the person that

1249
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: will keep the base inside the tent for them because

1250
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 2: he's going to give some voice when nobody else is

1251
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 2: willing to be that and he politically can and Blue Elinois, right,

1252
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 2: Andy Basheer has to still be careful a little bit.

1253
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 2: He's still got a governor red state. Jared Poulis has

1254
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 2: got to govern what I call a libertarian leaning blue state,

1255
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: right he you know, nobody managed the pandemic better I

1256
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: think than Jared Polis as a governor he figured out,

1257
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's an accident that he's also

1258
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 2: as popular of a two term governor as a Rondasantist

1259
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 2: dot to be for his management of COVID, Right, I

1260
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 2: think those two politically at least understood the politics of

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01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 2: COVID in their states better than most other governors did.

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Speaker 2: But I really think I look, there's a part of

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01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 2: me that thinks the Democratic Party, if it were a company,

1264
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 2: would have to file for Chapter eleven and it should

1265
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: be remade and redone. It's not going to be, and

1266
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 2: they'll they'll end up accidentally succeeding because they're not Trump,

1267
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 2: just like the Republican Party accidentally succeeded because it's right.

1268
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: So if a Democratic Party could survive Jim Crowd, it's

1269
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: going to survive losing to Trump. Right.

1270
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not wrong, But it does need it does

1271
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: need a new figure. They need a fight like Bill

1272
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 2: Clinton and Ron Brown and Jesse Jackson had with each

1273
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: other in nineteen ninety and ninety one, and Bill Clinton

1274
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 2: decidedly took the party to the center. And I don't

1275
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 2: see that fight taking place yet. I think Fetterman is

1276
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 2: instinctively trying to it would would have that fight. But Fetterman,

1277
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 2: I don't think is interested in being president. I think

1278
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 2: Fetterman is just interested in representing. I think I look

1279
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 2: at him and I think the dude still thinks like

1280
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 2: a mayor. And I say that as a compliment. When

1281
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 2: you think like a mayor, you just think about, hey,

1282
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: I've got to represent my people who as they are,

1283
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 2: not as they wish they were. I was just having it.

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Speaker 1: I could literally talk to you all day, but I

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Speaker 1: would just say one thing about Federman. I'll never I'll

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Speaker 1: forget it if I'll say it now. I deeply believe

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Speaker 1: this about John Fetterman and I and I think his

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Speaker 1: his politics are capped by this, by this reality. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's a male vote. Things our age that

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Speaker 1: are the youngest guys, maybe a little bit younger. I

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Speaker 1: was just talking to a mutual friend of ours, Brian Jones,

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Speaker 1: who you know, big career, and was saying that when

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Speaker 1: I was in elementary school, mister Fagoni, who was the principal,

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Speaker 1: was a d DA combat federal right that generation, those men,

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Speaker 1: the Vietnam era generation who when we were hiking the

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Speaker 1: back you know, with backpacks on at twelve, the Appalachian Trail.

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Speaker 1: Right in boy Scouts. The culture in which we were

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Speaker 1: raised involved knowing when to put a suit on. It

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Speaker 1: was a big deal in a blue collar to middle

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Speaker 1: class home. And the first time you got a suit

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Speaker 1: was in these Northeast states, you know was was was

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Speaker 1: probably either for your bar mitzvah or your first communion.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you a funeral, right, and that the first

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Speaker 3: time I got a suit was my grandfather's funeral.

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Speaker 1: And your dad tell you helping you tie attire your

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Speaker 1: grandfather or men, or you don't button two buttons right,

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Speaker 1: you button the top right like this is the tie

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Speaker 1: comes to here, shine your shoes, all of that. But

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Speaker 1: not knowing that you're supposed to be in a suit

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Speaker 1: at the inauguration, right, is something Literally it brings me

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Speaker 1: to the edge of a fucking aneurism. And I am

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Speaker 1: not alone. Right, there's nothing, there's nothing to be argued about.

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Speaker 1: I'm not mad at the people who don't give a

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Speaker 1: shit about it, right, But like for me, right, it

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Speaker 1: is it is a never. It is such an act

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Speaker 1: of disrespect, right, equal to the disrespect that Trump shows

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Speaker 1: all these things every day. Now, I find it appalling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I you know, I'm all for the fight,

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Speaker 2: the war against ties, which you Californians have successfully. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, but you know, if Federman was refusing to

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Speaker 2: wear a tie but was always wearing a coat, this

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be an issue at all, right, you know, because

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Speaker 2: that's a cultural chain, the tie. I mean, I joke.

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Speaker 2: The only place that I see ties anymore is where

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Speaker 2: I'm at in Washington. You know, I joke it's the

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Speaker 2: Washington uniform. Wall Street doesn't wear ties anymore. So look

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Speaker 2: on Valley, stop wearing ties. Thirty years at Hollywood. You know.

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Speaker 2: I don't see ties anymore in Florida, and I used

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Speaker 2: to see ties at major events in Florida. I think

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Speaker 2: you still get in the Midwest. You still get in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: There's still a sort of a small sea conservative feeling.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I always say I was. I may have

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Speaker 2: been born and raised in Miami, but I was raised Island.

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Speaker 2: My father always talked about, well Midwest, good Midwesterners do this,

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Speaker 2: good windnestsenters do that, YadA YadA YadA. So I have

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Speaker 2: the the Midwestern brainwashing in me. In that same way,

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Speaker 2: I'm also one of those that my father made me

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Speaker 2: wear a tie. The first time I flew on an airplane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still remember. I'm stold enough to remember there

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Speaker 1: was still a smoking section on an airplane. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: There were two groups where they follow lawsuits against the

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Speaker 2: tobacco companies that always had the best cases. Flight attendants

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Speaker 2: and blackjack dealers. They had they were I mean, the

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Speaker 2: idea that that little plastic sign between row twenty one

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Speaker 2: and Row twenty oh they're smoking here, but no way,

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Speaker 2: the smoke comes up in this illuminum tube in front

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Speaker 2: of row twenty.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was a perfect place to leave it.

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Speaker 1: We got to just conclude by saying thank you to

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Speaker 1: Chuck Todd and everybody's listen. Remember you live in a country.

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Speaker 1: We're until pretty recently on an airplane they told you

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Speaker 1: that don't worry about the cigarette smoke so long as

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Speaker 1: you're sitting in the non smoking section.

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Speaker 2: With that. This is the warning of country.

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Speaker 1: It's a great, great pleasure to be with you, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, brother. You gotta have here.

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Speaker 1: I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning, and I invite

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Speaker 1: you to join. Subscribe on our substack on our YouTube channel,

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