WEBVTT - Two Ts Presents: Two Jersey Js: Bucket or F**ck It List

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<v Speaker 1>Hi guys, Hi guys, it's Jackie and Jen Fessler. I

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<v Speaker 1>always say Jen Fessler, well, because there's also another gen. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>not this room and not on this post, on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think you're used to being in our I

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<v Speaker 2>guess work family with another gen.

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<v Speaker 1>So fair enough, whatever you are, Jen Fesler on that baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we are two Jersey Jays. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>really really great shophy you today. I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>But but but first, before that, we can't just ignore

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<v Speaker 1>the large not even a pink elephant? Is it a

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<v Speaker 1>black elephant?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know it's pink elephant in the room

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<v Speaker 2>a thing. I think. I don't think that's a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just the elephant in the room. What

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's a pink elephant.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I've talked about the trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the trailer. Can I tell you something. This is

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<v Speaker 2>my sixth year, my sixth trailer drop.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was more than that. Are you sure now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is my sixth year and I still get

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<v Speaker 2>a pit in my stomach.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're the only one because I was besides me,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like really nervous about it and I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like no nobody else was.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think I'm the only one.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way because we see it.

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<v Speaker 2>When everyone else sees it. They don't send us the

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<v Speaker 2>trailer first. You know why they don't send us the

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<v Speaker 2>trailer first, I think is because in years past it's leaked,

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<v Speaker 2>like there's there's no way to get this trailer and

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<v Speaker 2>keep it all to yourself, right, you know, so it's leaked,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I think to avoid that, they don't send

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<v Speaker 2>it to anybody anymore. So we see it when the

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<v Speaker 2>world sees it. So if something is you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>they put in a part about like something that you

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<v Speaker 2>can consider really embarrassing, it's over.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I actually watched it. I wouldn't watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted Jeff to watch it, and well, Rachel, my daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>watched it. And then, like you know, a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>our PR people or whatever, I was like, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to just know what I'm going to be staring at.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the nerves for me, so I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure it out. I guess I was. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I was more nervous last year, but because it was

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<v Speaker 1>my first season. But it's this thing where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after the last season, my response at least, I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like the response that I got was is mainly positive.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, nobody's ever gonna you're never gonna get everybody

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<v Speaker 1>liking you. There's always gonna be haters. But basically I

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of love. I got a lot of like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, nice sort of like Gen you're funny, Gen

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<v Speaker 1>You're you know, a breath of fresh air like this

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<v Speaker 1>really nice feedback. Again, not all good feedback, but I

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in that place where you're coming from, Okay, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I did good for me, and I fight this. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just waiting for the fall. So I'm nervous that I'm gonna,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not just the trailer, but watch the season,

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody's gonna like me.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's natural, but I don't think that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're me. It's not just funny, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe not maybe the season I won't

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<v Speaker 1>be well liked, but like that's this is just a

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<v Speaker 1>whole separate issue. But watching it, I think that's why

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<v Speaker 1>I'm nervous. It's like I want everybody to like me,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, regardless, yeah, not everybody's going to and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>people want this season I have to like, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you are in a good place with yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you're also in a pretty good place with everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I know, it's not even just that though, because

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<v Speaker 1>you can be in a good place with Cass and

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<v Speaker 1>still you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. Did you like the trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was funny. I thought it was light,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was also like I think, I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>dropped those little like tidbits very well in those little

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<v Speaker 1>little spoilers and teasers. Yeah, Like if I was a

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<v Speaker 1>y yar, i'd want to be excited for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which also gives me like anxiety because now I

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<v Speaker 2>like want people to see how everything happens, because now

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<v Speaker 2>people are you know, oh, Jackie, you know is doing

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<v Speaker 2>things too. First of all, let me clear up something

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<v Speaker 2>the whole Jackie is doing, you know, switching teams to

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<v Speaker 2>save her job. Okay, I am very very clear on

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I am a friend, Like I am

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<v Speaker 2>not like delusional, like I know what my job is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a friend, and I am fully okay with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like took a little bit, but I am fully okay

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<v Speaker 2>with it. I like it. Like it's not to say

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<v Speaker 2>like that I wouldn't be open to other things, but

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<v Speaker 2>like I like it, and I know I don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to jump teams and you know, jump through hoops and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, set myself on fire to save my job.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I can just be like a good supporting actor,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm good, you know, Like I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>I have to go crazy to save my job. So

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<v Speaker 2>nothing that I do is based on, oh god, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to be the best friend in the whole world

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<v Speaker 2>in order to save my job. And I actually don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it really works like that. I don't think if I,

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<v Speaker 2>like have a really big part of the season that

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<v Speaker 2>next season, like I would be a housewife. I think actually,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm a fantastic friend, it's even you know, more

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<v Speaker 2>reason for them to say, Okay, great, say a friend. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw Marisol say on the reunion maybe it was

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<v Speaker 1>last night, No, no, she's being interviewed anyway, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were asking her like, do you are you okay? Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's even Hammer and Teddy Like yeah, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was Teddy, how do you feel about being a friend?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to be, you know, a house wife?

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<v Speaker 1>What do they hold a mahido? Yeah or whatever? So

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, well, I mean I'd like to be paid

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<v Speaker 1>like a housewife, but like it sounds like she was

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that people don't want to believe that

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<v Speaker 2>because like I think that there's this like this misconception

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<v Speaker 2>of like how could you not want it all? Like

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<v Speaker 2>how could you not want all the fame and all

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<v Speaker 2>the spotlight and all the money?

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<v Speaker 1>You like, those sometimes forget this is we're getting off

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<v Speaker 1>on a tank. But like, don't you feel like as

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<v Speaker 1>a friend you forget like factor out money or anything else,

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<v Speaker 1>but like you kind of do get it all in

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<v Speaker 1>a different way, Like and I know you have spoken

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<v Speaker 1>to me specifically about like opening up your home and

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<v Speaker 1>your family to cameras, you know, and now the difference

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not having to do that and still being

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<v Speaker 1>able to be involved is you know, like a gift

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<v Speaker 1>it is, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's also I mean, there's great stuff on

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<v Speaker 2>both sides. If it happens again for me, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure my family would be open to it, But it's

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<v Speaker 2>much easier for me now to film the show, to

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<v Speaker 2>give it everything that I have, and to not have

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<v Speaker 2>to say to my family, hey, cancel all your plans.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to be home to film the scene, or

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<v Speaker 2>to say to Evan, you don't have to come to

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<v Speaker 2>this today, do you want to come? And sometimes he

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<v Speaker 2>really wants to come. But when he doesn't want to come,

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<v Speaker 2>or when he has work, like I don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>make him skip anything, he doesn't have to be involved.

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<v Speaker 2>And for me, that works for me right now, right now,

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<v Speaker 2>that works for me. But speaking of husbands being involved,

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<v Speaker 2>I am strongly of the opinion that I know Jersey

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<v Speaker 2>husbands have a bigger role than in other franchises, but

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<v Speaker 2>don't I don't love seeing husbands so heavily involved in

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<v Speaker 2>the drama. I don't like when husbands fight with wives.

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<v Speaker 1>I don believe this is all you baby, go right right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, like, when Evan was very heavily involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the drama, which he did not want any part of,

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<v Speaker 2>he never fought with anybody on camera. He never yelled anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>He's never fought with anyone. It's just not his style.

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<v Speaker 2>He never yelled at anybody. He never you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>when it was time to resolve that drauma, he was

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<v Speaker 2>such a gentleman. He was very open to it and

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<v Speaker 2>he just wanted things to go back to common. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm saying like I don't love seeing husbands like

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<v Speaker 2>really put themselves right in the center. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>show for your wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, j Listen Jersey has traditionally been known right as

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<v Speaker 1>like this, we are the family franchise. Yeah, of course

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<v Speaker 1>it's everybody's involved, and of course you know Joe Gorga

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<v Speaker 1>has made such an impact.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and he's maybe a little dire, but he also

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't like I don't know, maybe maybe Joe Gorga

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<v Speaker 2>is different, but like the other husbands, I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>feel like like they are definitely present. And that's great

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<v Speaker 2>and I love the husbands on this show them, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like seeing a husband actively like go after

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<v Speaker 2>a wife. But that's just me.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't worry about Jeff Fessler. I don't think he's

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<v Speaker 1>he loves, he loves all of this, which everybody like,

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<v Speaker 1>no one can really understand or believe. Jeff's so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so a nice crazy housewife person. But you're never gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to worry about him fighting with anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I thought the trailer was great. I am

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<v Speaker 2>eager for people to see how everything comes about, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's no part of it that's about me, like trying

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<v Speaker 2>to save my job, like, I'm sure my job is fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I just you know, like it does happen very organically

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<v Speaker 2>and hasn't this hit but historically been on the show

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<v Speaker 2>for so long, don't people always look at like want

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<v Speaker 2>to know your motive and it's not maybe what your

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<v Speaker 2>actual motive is, like are and people you tell me, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many theories, but you know, so I watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually had to pull over because I was driving

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<v Speaker 2>when it when it dropped, and uh, I said to Aiden,

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<v Speaker 2>I was taking it into a doctor's appointment. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>do you mind if I pull over and watch this

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<v Speaker 2>because the anticipation was just killing me. And after I

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<v Speaker 2>watched it the first time and I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm totally fine with the way I'm portrayed in the trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I watched it a second time to see how

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<v Speaker 2>I look physically in the trailer, and I'm gorgeous. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>my face is all hot and red. I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be friends with whoever I want, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>my face is all red and like, of course you pick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yourself course, but I have to well, I'm being completely

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<v Speaker 1>honest and not humble at all. I actually thought to myself, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you do look better than.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year myself. Certainly they spend enough money to make

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<v Speaker 2>that happen. By walking filter, I think you look so

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<v Speaker 2>I get carried away now.

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<v Speaker 1>But that definitely was one of the things that I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, well, if anything, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>this is all going to go down, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>I look better.

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<v Speaker 2>You looks good, fantastic. Anyway, it's going to be a great,

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<v Speaker 2>great season. I'm excited. Me to our topic for today, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>is you say it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, so I'll say it, but I want to

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<v Speaker 1>say kind of why.

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<v Speaker 2>We picked today our topic.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to entitle this one bucket or fuck it,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning like bucket list items maybe that we had when

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<v Speaker 1>we were younger. What are our bucket list items now?

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<v Speaker 1>Things that we thought we had to do in our

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime that we look at now and we think, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. I can't believe I even thought that was important.

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<v Speaker 1>But the idea came to us. I was watching Naiad.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you guys have see Niad, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's this I want to say. It's on Netflix. Anette

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<v Speaker 1>Benning and Jodie Foster, this movie about this woman Diana

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<v Speaker 1>Niad who swam from from Cuba to maybe like Key West,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's this amazing story. She tried and tried

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<v Speaker 1>and by the time she was sixty she actually got

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<v Speaker 1>it done. But it was like talk about like a

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<v Speaker 1>bucket list. Like she was like, I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>do something in my lifetime that no one else has done.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm watching this and this woman is so driven

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<v Speaker 1>by that, and I'm thinking, first of all, that is

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<v Speaker 1>the worst bucket list item that I could even ever imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine wanting to do anything less than swim.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't get that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a matter of fact, like I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>friend who recently we were talking about this and I

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<v Speaker 1>was asking her about her bucketless things, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I did a half marathon. I thought that was the

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<v Speaker 1>dumbest bucketless thing. I cannot believe I would have wasted

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<v Speaker 1>my time on that kind of misery. It's like, and

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<v Speaker 1>now today I would have never been interested. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>that is our topic.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, I just want to bring up one more

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<v Speaker 2>thing before we start. Yes, since we are a podcast

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<v Speaker 2>about middle aged women, there's this new Anne Hathaway movie

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<v Speaker 2>have you heard of this? No, okay. It's called The

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<v Speaker 2>Idea of You, and it's about a woman in her

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<v Speaker 2>forties who takes her daughter to Coachella and the the

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<v Speaker 2>uh lead of a boy band falls in love with her, with.

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<v Speaker 1>The with the mother, with the mother who's Anne Hathaway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm region synopsis. Hold on, I'm so into the real.

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<v Speaker 2>Selene must step into chaperone her teenage daughter's trip to

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<v Speaker 2>Coachella after her ex bales at the last minute. She

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<v Speaker 2>has a chance encounter with Hayes Campbell, and there's an instant,

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<v Speaker 2>undeniable spark as they began a whirlwind romance. It isn't

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<v Speaker 2>long before hayes superstar status poses unavoidable challenges to their relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's in his twenties and she's in her forties,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a story. It's supposed to be a story

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<v Speaker 2>about a woman approach, a woman in her forties reclaiming

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<v Speaker 2>her sexuality and rediscovering herself just at the point that

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<v Speaker 2>society traditionally writes women off as desirable and viable.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, seriously, I mean we're gonna have to do

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we should do some movie and like

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<v Speaker 1>a deep dive.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just say that, like that sounds. Of course, I

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<v Speaker 2>love my husband, but if they're like in an alternate universe,

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<v Speaker 2>if we ever got.

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<v Speaker 1>Divorced but every woman feels like that, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would ever feel that fully secure in that kind of relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'd always feel like that person was looking

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<v Speaker 2>for was seeing what else is out there?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I right, but I just think like the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of it to me, what occurred to me is simply

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<v Speaker 1>that like how validating in some weird way, And I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how validation at this age? But like there have some

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<v Speaker 1>rock star on stage and a boy band. Now now

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually sounding gross, but like, let's they say a

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<v Speaker 1>boy band, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>They think that it's based on Harry Styles and Olivia Wilde.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so now I have to tell this go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we took so my sister and I took my

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<v Speaker 1>daughter and my niece to one direction. So we're going

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<v Speaker 1>back twelve years or something. And this is like when

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<v Speaker 1>they had first come out, and like the little girls

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<v Speaker 1>were like in hysterics, and we paid for like a

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<v Speaker 1>VIP meeting and so first you went into this like

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<v Speaker 1>little auditorium with all the people that had paid for

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<v Speaker 1>this shit, and they did like a Q and A

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<v Speaker 1>so just like embarrass my kids whatever. I like, raised

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<v Speaker 1>my hand, I stood up and I don't remember what

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<v Speaker 1>I said. But then the guys started saying like stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like my mother don't look like that, like something that

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<v Speaker 1>was it was the best day of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not kidding. Wouldn't even brought it up. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say, like they said something like or Harry,

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<v Speaker 2>your mother looked like that or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I can die now.

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<v Speaker 2>I can die now. And Rachel and Day based on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, people are always stealing shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know if our audience remembers this. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>when Craigslist had miss connections?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't even you don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. It was the craziest thing Craigslist. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a million years ago. It had this thing called

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<v Speaker 2>miss connections and it was like, I saw you on

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<v Speaker 2>the subway. You looked at me. I thought of it yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>You know why. I was driving home from New York

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<v Speaker 2>City and I was getting on the West Side Highway

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<v Speaker 2>and fucking Conan O'Brien was standing having a conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>somebody right by the exit and I almost served my

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<v Speaker 2>fucking car off the road looking at him, and we

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<v Speaker 2>locked eyes. I swear to god, we locked eyes, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, God, if that fucking miss Connections column

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<v Speaker 2>was still around, I would have been checking that ship.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, not to start a romance and Coda and O'Brien,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, just for the ad that says, were you

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<v Speaker 2>the crazy blonde bitch you almost run me over when

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<v Speaker 2>you were getting on the west side.

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<v Speaker 1>It was why that's I wonder why that's not here anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's bring it, bring back misconnections. People start from that. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to see that movie and we have to

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<v Speaker 1>do a deep dive maybe for another episode. Love it.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, so bucket list, So I think that where

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<v Speaker 2>you should start by talking about the things we wanted

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<v Speaker 2>when we were younger.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, not just bucketless things, but things that you

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<v Speaker 1>were just like, because bucklets is a weird thing. Means

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<v Speaker 1>before I die, I want to do this, Yeah, maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe sort of more encompass. Encompass, like what we

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to do or what we wanted to have, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what we wanted to do and have now you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that.

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<v Speaker 2>We really thought would fulfill us. Right, well, I think

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember? You know, we're a few years apart.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I was a kid in elementary school, the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest thing was making these little orgami. I forget what

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<v Speaker 2>they were called, but like you would stick your fingers

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<v Speaker 2>in them and like go like God, or open them.

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<v Speaker 2>I could still make it open and you would you

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<v Speaker 2>would write down the things that you wanted. It was

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<v Speaker 2>also a game called mash and like you would write

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<v Speaker 2>out the things that you like wanted, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>like who you wanted to marry, what you wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>do for a living, what kind of car you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to drive, where you wanted to live. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>very very sure of what I wanted for my future.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to live in Beverly Hills. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>drive a limousine. I wanted to want to be the

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<v Speaker 2>driver or the passenger. I just thought a limousine was

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<v Speaker 2>the most glamorous car. You wanted to be the driver.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted it to be my fucking car.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I just wanted to park. Because you still feel

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<v Speaker 1>that way, I'm sure there are plenty of opportunities for

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<v Speaker 1>you to drive a limousine.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see if I lose my friend, if I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a good enough friend. No, I just wanted to I

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<v Speaker 2>just wanted a limousine. Okay, I just thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>a glamouse. You know. I wanted to marry this kid,

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<v Speaker 2>Doug in my class, who is not on social media,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can't even stop him. And I just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I really wanted to live in a mansion, have three

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<v Speaker 2>kids married. That's all I wanted out of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I mean I want to say that I had

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<v Speaker 1>so what age was that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was as a kid. That's not really what

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted as a young adult.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but as a kid, I'm going to say that

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<v Speaker 1>that that about sums it up. I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>on a soap opera. To me, so the world of

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<v Speaker 1>like all my children in general hospital was the only

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<v Speaker 1>place in which anybody should live, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even necessarily.

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<v Speaker 1>And I went to perming our high school, and I

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<v Speaker 1>went to acting school after. But I was never a

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<v Speaker 1>good actress, so there was that. But I just craved

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<v Speaker 1>that being on stage right, which ironically, all these years later,

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<v Speaker 1>I get a little bit of that. But anyway, but

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<v Speaker 1>so and get married and have babies, and I feel so.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I feel guilty saying that, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's not an anti feminist thing to say. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>for me. What it was. I just wanted, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my family life was not traditional and it was there

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<v Speaker 1>were a lot of moving pieces, and I really just

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<v Speaker 1>dreamt of having a very stable, secure family, one home,

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of moving around, having babies and being

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<v Speaker 1>the star of all my children.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, I mean the stable family home. I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>understand given your upbringing, right, Yeah, yeah, I definitely wanted

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of children, and I wanted to get married.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't when I was dating, I didn't really care

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<v Speaker 2>who I dated, like in terms of race, religion, ethnicity.

0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I dated across the board. I just I was I love.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you read my book, you know I

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<v Speaker 2>was like boy crazy. But I probably why I ended

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<v Speaker 2>up falling in love with like a Jewish finance guy

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<v Speaker 2>from Westchester, which you know, worked out for my mother wonderfully,

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<v Speaker 2>but I and he's the best, and it worked out

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<v Speaker 2>for me really great as well. But I was really open.

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<v Speaker 1>My one requirement back in the day when I was

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<v Speaker 1>dating after college was that somebody just had to be tall.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only thing I cared about is Jeff tall.

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<v Speaker 1>He's five six, okay, so literally, like people would be

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<v Speaker 1>fixing me up, I wasn't. I really didn't have anything

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<v Speaker 1>else except I just because I always felt like such

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<v Speaker 1>a big girl and I wanted just to have someone

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than me. And I mean, look how we plan

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<v Speaker 1>and god laughs, but I mean I dated. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>the list is long in terms of all of that

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<v Speaker 1>different guys from all different backgrounds. I just was so

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<v Speaker 1>until I met Jeff, so needy of a man's attention,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I didn't really have a lot of requirements,

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<v Speaker 1>just like just want to kiss me? Yeah, sad, but.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not sad. I mean, but what would did you

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<v Speaker 2>have any like goals in your mind of things you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to accomplish before you were a certain age.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, not before I was a certain age. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would dream of of being an actress

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<v Speaker 1>and being famous. And again, I don't think that was

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<v Speaker 1>about the craft. I think that was about the attention

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<v Speaker 1>and just sort of like I always loved in elementary

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<v Speaker 1>and middle school, like I was always in plays. I

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<v Speaker 1>was always getting these these you know, really big parts.

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<v Speaker 1>And then high school. I went to forming arts high

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<v Speaker 1>school and not so much like there was actual real

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<v Speaker 1>competition there. And then I went to an act After

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<v Speaker 1>I graduated tech from UT, I went to the American

0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Academy of Dramatic Arts. I got another degree in acting,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just wasn't very good at it. But so

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<v Speaker 1>when you say bucket list, that's something that was always like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be famous. There were other things certainly

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<v Speaker 1>that I've wanted, but I would say that in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of a career, that was probably the running thing I

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<v Speaker 1>never And I also was never that big of like

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<v Speaker 1>a career person.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, but you have a successful shoe line, right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm going to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I was not ever sort of like that

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<v Speaker 1>focused on career. I wanted to make money. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be independent, and however that was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had a whole host of different jobs in

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<v Speaker 1>my twenties that I hated, and then when I had

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<v Speaker 1>the kids, I worked part time as a fashion recruiter.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't really enjoy that either. I never enjoyed anything until

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<v Speaker 1>I started my own business, which is for anyone who cares,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a high heel shoe line shop f Major

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<v Speaker 1>dot com and it's for women who after a certain

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<v Speaker 1>age can't walk in heels. And I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>create like a really sexy heel for women that wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to still wear them but that was still comfortable because

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<v Speaker 1>I can't walk in heels anymore, and I had bunions

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever a million disgusting things that go along with

0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:50.680
<v Speaker 1>aging in your feet. But anyway, so I have this business,

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<v Speaker 1>this shoe business, and I was really passionate about it,

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<v Speaker 1>just I don't know what the It wasn't a bucket

0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.960
<v Speaker 1>list thing though, right. More like I started it, I

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<v Speaker 1>felt great about it. I started doing it, I really

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<v Speaker 1>started liking what I was doing, as opposed to jobs

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.840
<v Speaker 1>where I was there not because the job was actually

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<v Speaker 1>feeding my soul, but because it was feeding my pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>Right yeah, yeah, yeah. So I would say the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>thing in my as a young adult, the number one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I wanted the most and I thought would

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<v Speaker 2>make me so happy. Aside from being thin, which was

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<v Speaker 2>another a whole nother story that's a different episode. I

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted a daughter, and I thought, if I have

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<v Speaker 2>a daughter, my life will be complete. And I won't

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<v Speaker 2>need anything else in the whole world.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I had two boys first, and it's not something

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<v Speaker 2>I really ever talk about. I did write an article

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<v Speaker 2>about it once for Good Housekeeping, But I and if

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:54.720
<v Speaker 2>you know me and my relationship with my to my

0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:59.720
<v Speaker 2>first set of twins, I am absolutely at the time,

0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.800
<v Speaker 2>I gonna be really honest. I had something called gender disappointment,

0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 2>and I it was like severe and I loved my

0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 2>boys so much, but I had and I make no

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<v Speaker 2>secret of the fact that I have struggled with mental

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<v Speaker 2>illness over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, come to the right place.

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Nice to meet Jim. And I had just this like

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<v Speaker 2>unending anxiety that my boys were never going to love

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.639
<v Speaker 2>me the way that they would love their father. Really, yes,

0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I was consumed by it.

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't about you loving them, It was about

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<v Speaker 1>loving you.

0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I love them so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I always went scared that they were never going to

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<v Speaker 2>be you know, society tells you that you have a daughter,

0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 2>she'll be your best friend for life, right, so I

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.479
<v Speaker 2>was like, I need that best friend for life. I

0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.399
<v Speaker 2>also struggled with like insecurity, and you know, I'm a

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:56.919
<v Speaker 2>very different person now. But I was consumed by the

0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:58.960
<v Speaker 2>thought that if I don't have a daughter, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to be really missed something.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah, I know one other person like that, Jack

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and I don't even not a friend. But this woman

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.520
<v Speaker 1>that I that I knew who had had like twins,

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 1>she ended up having a daughter. But I remember her

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 1>talking to mebout I didn't even know her that well,

0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 1>and she was just she couldn't get past you.

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 2>I just had boys.

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I wanted a girl. I just.

0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:18.679
<v Speaker 2>And then you think, so like when I had the

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<v Speaker 2>two boys. I cannot tell you how many times people

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 2>ask me, are you going to try for a girl?

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 2>And so I just had this idea in my head

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:27.960
<v Speaker 2>that I couldn't get rid of, where I was just

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:31.120
<v Speaker 2>consumed by it. So anyway, I needed IVF anyway because

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I destroyed my body with anorexia. So I went back.

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:37.680
<v Speaker 2>So I had my boys first with one round of IVF,

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 2>and then when I went back to have a third

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.960
<v Speaker 2>because I did want to try for that girl, my

0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 2>next two rounds of IVF at the same clinic, I

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:50.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't even make it to transfer my So you the

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 2>way that it works is like so you grow the

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 2>eggs with medication, they take the eggs out of you,

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:58.159
<v Speaker 2>they fertilize it with your husband's sperm, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>see how many embryos are left.

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.680
<v Speaker 1>That's a different day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you see how many embryos are left at the

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 2>end of either three days or five days anyway, and

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 2>then the good ones, if you have some strong ones,

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 2>they'll put either one or two inside you and they'll

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 2>freeze the rest or if you want to freeze the rest. Right.

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.640
<v Speaker 2>So I had nothing. I couldn't go to transfer on

0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:23.719
<v Speaker 2>my second and third rounds. It was devastating. It was horrible.

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:27.399
<v Speaker 2>I had very low e quality, so the because of

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the interrexia. Yes, I just really destroyed myself. And my

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:35.240
<v Speaker 2>doctor suggested that I stop. And once he said that,

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.199
<v Speaker 2>my mind was like I just went nuts because I

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh God, I'm not going to get my girl.

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:45.119
<v Speaker 2>So I was looking for a new doctor closer to

0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 2>my home in New Jersey. And I'm going to tell

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 2>you a story that I've never told anyone. I don't

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 2>even think my parents know, only really me and Evan.

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I know this now sixty how many how many of you?

0:25:55.240 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Because I mean so, I started doing some research

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 2>on how I can have a girl. And I found

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:08.400
<v Speaker 2>this thing that is no longer available in the United States.

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 2>It's available overseas, but it was called MicroSort. It's still around,

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:14.919
<v Speaker 2>but it's just not in the US anymore. But it

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:16.919
<v Speaker 2>was in the US then it was in clinical trials

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 2>for a very very long time. So I felt okay that, like,

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.480
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't something that was going to make my kids

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 2>sick or what. But it was this technology and there

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 2>was a doctor right near me who participated in it.

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:34.439
<v Speaker 2>And what it does, it's this sorting process where your

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>husband has to go to Virginia and then they spin

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.000
<v Speaker 2>it or something. No, they don't spin it. Spinning is

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 2>like a little bit of a myth. But they they

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:52.439
<v Speaker 2>use this like fluorescent technology that highlights the male sperm

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:56.359
<v Speaker 2>versus the female like sperm, right, and they separate it

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 2>and then but it's not a guarantee, so you a

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:03.440
<v Speaker 2>percentage on what your sort is, okay, and then they

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:07.919
<v Speaker 2>fertilize your egg with whatever sort that is. So like

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 2>if you were trying for a girl, if you want

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 2>a girl, they'll take all the girl sperm and they'll

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 2>and they'll fertilize with that. But it's not a guarantee

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 2>they don't get like thousands of dollars. Was this, you

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 2>don't even want to go show accepted. You get to

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.159
<v Speaker 2>get accepted to the process and everything. It took a

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>long time, and they but it's not one hundred percent.

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Sort, okay, right.

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 2>So our first round of that, which was my fourth

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 2>round of IBS, oh my god, I got an eighty

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 2>five percent sort, so, which meant that eighty five percent

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:46.159
<v Speaker 2>of the sperm that they were using was girlsperm. Right,

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>So I got pregnant for like a week, there was

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>a thing on the screen my my tests showed that

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 2>I was pregnant, and then it was gone. I don't

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 2>know that that's called a miscarriage because it was so early,

0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.359
<v Speaker 2>but it was gone after like a week, and I

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>was devastated. And then my fifth round of IVF I

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 2>got an eighty five I got a ninety percent sort.

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 2>And at the end of that, I had one good

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 2>embryo and one bad embryo, and they were like, we're

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.160
<v Speaker 2>just gonna put them both in because nothing ever takes anyway.

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 2>And I ended up having a boy and a girl,

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, which is wild. But I worried for

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>a long time that first of all, they have to

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 2>mail back the sperm from I said to Evan, I

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 2>was like, if this is baby, he doesn't look like

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna hear really fucking upset. Wait was Evan?

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>How did Evan handle it?

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 2>He was so Evan was not He knew that I

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>really wanted this. He also, it's really hard to fight

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 2>my Yeah, my mentor determined he he did it because

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 2>he loves me and because, I mean, there was no

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 2>like real downside for him except having to go to

0:28:56.680 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Virginia twice. But I think he was a little bit

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 2>nervous because no one we knew had ever done anything

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 2>like this, you know, and still to this day sometimes

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 2>like if my kids will do something cooky, I'm like, God,

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if that like fluorescent technology did something, you know,

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you I worry. But it's still around. It's

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 2>just that in the US the FDA wouldn't clear it,

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>which means it had to stay as a clinical trial,

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 2>which is really really expensive. So it's all over the world,

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>it's just you can't talk about in America. So I

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>did end up having my ground.

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>So Alexa was your bucket.

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 2>List, she alexis is my bucket list's your bucket list.

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 2>But that being said, I worshiped my daughter. I love

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 2>her so much. It didn't it didn't end up being

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 2>the kind of relationship that in my mind I thought

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 2>it would be.

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Carefully because it sounds like in your mind you thought

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>she was going to be your best friend. Well she,

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I had worship were best friend my daughter. No, No,

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think my daughter thinks I'm her best friend.

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I think she much rather hang.

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Out with her actual friends than with me I imagined us,

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, like coordinating outfits, or of like getting our

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>nails then together. I think I've taken her for two

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 2>mantic years in her whole life. She much rather like

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 2>use a marker and color her nails black. She enjoys

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 2>hanging out with her friends far more than she wants

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 2>to be with me. And I'll tell you the honest truth.

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 2>My oldest son, my firstborn, and all my kids will

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 2>tell you this. I love all my kids the same.

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 2>But Hey and I are the like theses. Probably you know,

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 2>and if you had told me that, I would never

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>have believed it. But I find myself gravitating more to

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 2>the boy stuff. And maybe because I'm in a place

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>of privilege right now because I do have the daughter,

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 2>so I can you know, I just gravitate more towards

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 2>their basketball games and shopping for the boy. I get

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>such a jolt at a watching them play sports. And

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel any different being with my daughter than

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 2>I do with my sons.

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Well, I definitely didn't have that my so neither

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Jeff nor myself. We have zero ability in terms of athletics,

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 1>so I can barely walk, much less kick a ball.

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Jeff pretends, but he really and we passed those genes

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>on thankfully because the truth is the thought of having

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>to go I watched my friends have to go to

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 1>game after game after game. Zach is actually here somewhere.

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>He's probably up there just cursing me out because like

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 1>he wanted so badly to be good at sports. He

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>tried so hard, and now like he looks back at

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>it and he'll say to me, you know, you guys,

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>just let me quit everything. Now I don't think we

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>let it. I remember spending thousands of dollars on the

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>cross equipment, Like I do know about letting him quit

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>so easily. But I'm sorry, but the kid just he

0:31:56.080 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>just couldn't play, so it was what it was. And Rachel, well,

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 1>she just is not in sports. She's like me, she

0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>never was. But like so in terms of spending time

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>with them, I don't I don't know that I gravitated

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>both of my kids whatever they had going on at

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>the time. I don't think I was like, oh my god,

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I wish I could go to a soccer game over

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>whatever girl scouts. But was our point here?

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm just like what you gravitated towards. I

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 2>don't gravitate as much to the girls stuff. No, but

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 2>like oh this, I was gonna say so.

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>But like when the kids were little, Zach was the

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 1>easiest baby toddler teenager. Rachel was the most difficult baby

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 1>infant toddler teenager. Like I always tell this story that

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>when they were both inside me, I used to have

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 1>to go get non stress tests with Zach, which means

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 1>like you don't know if the baby's alive or not,

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 1>because he was like so mellow, Like I was like,

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:54.960
<v Speaker 1>nothing's moving, there's no way there's something wrong here. There's

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 1>no way that this baby is alive. And with Rachel,

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>like literally the second that the egg was you know,

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>the sperm hit the egg. She was kicking me, and

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>like we always say, like I was like, I couldn't

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>get up the stairs with her. She was just pissed,

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and I to this day it is it's well, actually

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>it's changed, it has changed.

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you guys are super close, and I am super

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 2>close with Alexus. I just you know, I think about

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 2>it now, and I'm very close with my father. I'm

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 2>also very close with my mother. But I don't think

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I would want my daughter to devote her life to

0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 2>being my best friend. I don't think I need her

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 2>to live next door to me. If I don't, I

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>don't need any of that that I thought that I needed.

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 2>So that would be my number one thing that I

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 2>really thought I needed in order to find happiness throughout

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 2>my life. And even though my daughter brings me abundant happiness,

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 2>of course, look go back now, I think I would

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 2>have had, you know, abundant happiness with boys only you.

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Know, well, yeah, if I think of like bucketless things,

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I too had the had I didn't have the girl thing.

0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 1>I just had the kid thing. But I remember biological

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>clock really ticking, like in my late twenties, and I

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>met Jeff when I was twenty nine, and I was

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>like losing it. Like I'd wake up with dreams, having

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>had like these dreams of babies, and I would wake

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>up so sad and just like missing the baby from

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>the dream. And I remember negotiating with God and saying

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:22.800
<v Speaker 1>listen because I'm also a like a crazy hypochondriac. And

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 1>it was way worse when I was younger and not

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 1>on medication. But anyway, so I always thought I was dying.

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Please God, just let me have babies first. Please just

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 1>let me have babies first. Then I had babies, Please God,

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>let me just get to their weddings. They're gonna need me.

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Please let me just make it until then. Then you know,

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>now I have kids that are I can't ever leave them,

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Like there's no negotiating. I can't bear the thought of

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>ever leaving them, do you know what I mean? On

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>the line you said, but wanting that so badly, just

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 1>wanting the kids. I don't know if that was a

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 1>bucketless thing, but that was just inside of me. Yeah.

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:52.879
<v Speaker 2>I think some people need it and some people don't.

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 2>For me, I know, I see childless couples, and I

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 2>know there's a lot of people who have no desire

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:01.800
<v Speaker 2>to ever have kids. It's hard for me to understand.

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:05.919
<v Speaker 2>And of course I know that it's you know, it's

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 2>just not everybody and everybody's plans, But for me, it's

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 2>hard to understand that. I just feel like my kids,

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, like it's just something I said Jenny McCarthy

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 2>or like Bill Maher talking about Carthy as a kid.

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not Jennie McCarthy. Who am I talking about another

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>really pretty blonde male. Not Jenny McCarthy. What's her name,

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Amy Schumer? No, Chelsea him. Yes, So she's always talking

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 1>about it, and like Bill mar is always talking about it,

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.240
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, you know, maybe they are onto something

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>there like she's. But I mean, obviously I would never

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 1>go back, but.

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 2>I do think that, Yeah, I think that people can

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:47.760
<v Speaker 2>be other There are bucketless things include children. Yep. Okay,

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.879
<v Speaker 2>So I mean I always wanted to be thin, but

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.879
<v Speaker 2>that's that's for another time. And that didn't actually pan

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 2>out the way I thought it would because it almost

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:57.879
<v Speaker 2>killed me. As we all know if you read my book,

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to write something that and viral. I did

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 2>want to be a journalist. I had no My mother

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 2>wanted me to go to law school. I went to

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 2>law school. I was a corporate lawyer for a while

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 2>and then a real estate lawyer. But I always had

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the writing bug and I just wanted to write one

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:15.919
<v Speaker 2>thing that would go viral anyway, So I this way

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 2>before Housewives, I started writing. When I started writing, I

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 2>was working my way up. And then I got I

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.279
<v Speaker 2>started getting published in the Huffington Post, and I started

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:29.399
<v Speaker 2>getting published in really good places. And I wrote one

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 2>thing that went absolutely like all over the place, and

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you, for like a week, I couldn't

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 2>even sleep. I was just like checking who would read

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 2>it and who would comment, and a good way. It

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 2>was so good. It was so good. It was just

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 2>about being a mom and like the things that you know,

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 2>you felt that you felt that like you were you

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 2>had been so fulfilled. Oh I was fulfilled. I was.

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:51.319
<v Speaker 2>But then I was like, I want more.

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was just exactly was.

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 2>But I did have that. But there are things that

0:36:56.239 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I still want in life, like little goals, like little

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't call them bucket lists. I still feel far

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 2>from death maybe so it's hard for me to.

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:09.239
<v Speaker 1>See, Well, do you know there's that we so our

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.759
<v Speaker 1>producer sent us actually an article like it was like

0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:15.360
<v Speaker 1>a Yahoo ar yeah twenty three about bucket lists and

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 1>like how people over fifty they say that they really

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't like attain any of those goals or the bucket

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>list becomes less important. What becomes important is, you know,

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 1>spending time with people that you love and and all

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff and Kilimanjaro or running the marathon is

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.919
<v Speaker 1>not doesn't feel quite as meaningful, and you're much less

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 1>likely as you get older to also check those items

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>items like that off of a list because now you're

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 1>older and you're too tired to travel the world, do

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? But but there are little yeah,

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I still have a bunch of little ones. They're not

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 1>they're not the huge ones. They're not the be you know, uh,

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 1>the eric on all my children anymore?

0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:58.919
<v Speaker 2>Well, what are yours? And by the way, you can

0:37:59.080 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 2>you can do that.

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't don't want to do that, okay.

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 2>But you know that like ninety nine percent of people's

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.359
<v Speaker 2>dreams die in their head, they really do.

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:08.279
<v Speaker 1>I do love that. That was what Niad was about,

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>that that Diana and I had had Like she didn't

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 1>do it until she was sixty years old.

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 2>So what are yours?

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of little ones. And I have

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:18.400
<v Speaker 1>to say it's like I like everyone does, but travels

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 1>certainly on the list. And I saw in that article

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 1>like one of the maybe it was the number one

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:27.319
<v Speaker 1>bucklest thing was Safari in Africa. Oh really, Yeah, I'm

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 1>dying to do that.

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:30.399
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't like really long flights.

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm not concerned about the flight. I just

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:35.560
<v Speaker 1>want to get there and I want to like be

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>in this place that's such a like it's like mystical. Yeah,

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and I have one of my best friends went a

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 1>few months ago. It just changed everything. It was like

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 1>being in a completely different world.

0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think I'm waiting for my kids to be

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 2>able to appreciate it.

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 1>She went with her kids. Yeah, so there's that. So

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.240
<v Speaker 1>so I would say the like, definitely travel is something.

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:59.439
<v Speaker 1>And then there's the thing is like I was thinking

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'd want house in a certain place in Florida

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 1>or the Ham or whatever. But you know when I

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 1>was when Jeff and I had first moved into this house,

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 1>this is our third home in this town. I remember

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>we were bidding on it and I'm like, if we

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.919
<v Speaker 1>get this house, I will never have an unhappy day.

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 2>That'll be it. Every day I'll wake up and not that.

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>My house is. I don't live in an estate, but

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.759
<v Speaker 1>it was for me, it felt so right. I was

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 1>I was dying, dying, dying for this house, big shop.

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I've had unhappy days. So but like what I thought

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.000
<v Speaker 1>was like the end all be all. I mean, it

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 1>probably never is, but I so as of now I'm older,

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I see like, oh, it'd be so great to have

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 1>a house in where's your house, West.

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Hampton, West Hampton.

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.399
<v Speaker 1>Right, But having said that, I'm still going to be there.

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:49.440
<v Speaker 1>My shit's still going to be there, you know, my

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 1>issues will still be there. But stuff that I just

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I want to do, I mean, it becomes a little smaller.

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I want my kids to be good. Like that's the

0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:57.399
<v Speaker 1>first thing.

0:39:57.440 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, your kids being happy is just all that

0:39:59.360 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 2>all of us.

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just like you know right that that's just innate.

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 1>So I want my kids to be good. I want

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 1>to laugh.

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean I've gone on this crazy adventure with housewives

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 1>that I could have never predicted and that I'm so

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 1>grateful for. And I would like to have more adventures.

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Whether or not it'll be it'll have to do with houses.

0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 1>But like having that kind of newness and excitement and

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:23.759
<v Speaker 1>excitement love to keep.

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing better than that feeling of like fear and

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.239
<v Speaker 2>excitement and anxiety and like then doing something and it

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:31.719
<v Speaker 2>turning out well or not.

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen doesn't always certainly not when we're talking

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:36.800
<v Speaker 1>reality TV. It doesn't always turn out well and it

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:41.839
<v Speaker 1>is always you know. But I have found the last

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 1>couple of years, I've fulfilled these different like checked off

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:47.839
<v Speaker 1>little bucket list things that I never thought I would.

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:48.759
<v Speaker 1>That's been sort of cool.

0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 2>So can I tell you one that I still have? Yes?

0:40:59.080 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Please?

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 2>So I played the piano right, and when I was younger,

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 2>I was really good. I was good, and I can

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 2>play by ear. But when I play by ear, it's

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 2>not sophisticated, Like it's just like simple chords with like

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 2>my right hand moving around making like the melody and

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 2>like that's pretty cool though. So but I know that

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I could be good if I took some more lessons

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 2>and I like refreshed myself. I know that I could

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:22.840
<v Speaker 2>be good. And I can read music and everything. And

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 2>I've always had this dream of just playing one night

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.640
<v Speaker 2>with a rock band, just really. I can't sing, but

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:31.840
<v Speaker 2>I can write songs.

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Jackie, we have spoken about this while you were taking

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:38.920
<v Speaker 1>guitar lessons, and then you never you didn't continue. Well,

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:40.479
<v Speaker 1>I was, so, how am I going to start a band?

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I got a little busy. But besides that, it's also

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 1>really really hard. So and I've tried, not once, not twice,

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>but three times. And I still have my guitar in

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 1>my room and I pick it up and I'll start

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>again and start lessons because the point is that one

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 1>of my bucket list things would be not just to

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 1>play one night. I would love to play. I'd love

0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>to like band a band, or like be sitting around

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 1>with your friends at night, and like I would just

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 1>cut because there's nothing better than when someone plays guitar

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 1>or piano.

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I always thinking out. I always think

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 2>of Beverly Hills and David Foster used to always get

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.439
<v Speaker 2>on the piano and that ever would stand around him.

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 2>Evan thinks that's the most awkward thing in the world.

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.319
<v Speaker 2>When I used to play songs, be like, it's a

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.160
<v Speaker 2>little awkward, Well, because I have no because it's like, well.

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 1>David Foster was like, different, you're talking about a different

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 1>thing you are you're talking about You're sitting in a

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>room and David Foster is playing the piano, but like,

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.319
<v Speaker 1>if you're just sitting with friends, I mean, maybe I'm

0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 1>going back to like days of sleep away camp, or

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 1>like somebody just picks up a guitar and all of

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 1>a sudden you're singing like James Taylor, I know you.

0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Had an edible that guy was like not that cute,

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 2>and then he picks up on guitar and you're like, yeah,

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's so universe is saying, get back on that,

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:49.279
<v Speaker 2>because I really that is my bucket list goal is

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 2>to play in a rock band, even if it's for

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 2>one night. I really wanted to write a book. I

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 2>did that. It's been unbelievable and so fulfilling. My other

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:00.759
<v Speaker 2>biggest thing in the world is I want to be

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:03.720
<v Speaker 2>fully recovered. And I am recovered from my eating disorder,

0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 2>but I definitely still have a lot of disordered eating habits.

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:13.960
<v Speaker 2>So no anorexia anymore, but I still weigh, like overanalyze

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:17.799
<v Speaker 2>and worry, yeah, of course about food weight too much.

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 2>So I want all of that gone, which I am

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 2>actively working on. I would love to go to Europe

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.319
<v Speaker 2>when that's all done, and really be able to like

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 2>go to breakfast and get what I want and then

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:32.359
<v Speaker 2>not think about food for a little while and then

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 2>go to lunchinella I want. Like That's not how my

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 2>life works right now. Of course, so I don't restrict

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:39.360
<v Speaker 2>anymore in an unhealthy way, but I certainly do not

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 2>have like a lot of freedom around food the way

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>that I should. So that is my ultimate bucket list goal,

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 2>is to get rid of all of that noise and

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 2>to be able to eat really really freely without tons

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 2>of anxiety, which I'm getting there, but not there quite yet.

0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 1>So interesting because all like stuff that you think that

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you want when you're younger, and then you get it

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, wait a second, you know this is great.

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>But so I also have one of my best friends

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.400
<v Speaker 1>who said to me when we were in we had

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>just had kids, so we're like, I guess early thirties,

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:13.319
<v Speaker 1>and she started a business called alor Mates and it's

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:17.400
<v Speaker 1>for kids with food allergies, and she made really amazing

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 1>like jewelry and dog tags. Her kid had and has

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 1>a very serious nut allergy. Actually so does my son

0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 1>and my daughter has. I know, they both have food allergies,

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 1>but anyway, so kind of I would sometimes go in

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 1>and help her with ideas for the little characters and

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the dog. Anyway, she said she was so driven by

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:40.240
<v Speaker 1>wanting to be to like have created this uber successful business,

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:44.160
<v Speaker 1>right and your name and your your pictures on the

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 1>cover of Time magazine or whatever. Business. She was so

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:51.400
<v Speaker 1>all about being the CEO. And the business is still

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.240
<v Speaker 1>around and it's actually really really amazing. But she said,

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:56.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was asking her, what were your bucket

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 1>list things then as opposed to what they are now,

0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, now, it's not that I don't, you know,

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 1>enjoy my business. But the truth is she feels really

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>passionate about certain causes, one of them right now being Israel.

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 1>But she's like, I just want to be an advocate.

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I wanted my life to get smaller. And she actually

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>still has a son who it's like his first year

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:19.680
<v Speaker 1>of high school, so she's a while but she's like,

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 1>that's what is motivating her now, causes that she is

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 1>passionate about and advocating for them, and she's a big house.

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she always wanted that. It's you she wants to downsize,

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, like everything changes. She wants to have an easier,

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:39.560
<v Speaker 1>smaller situation and so which I really I kind of

0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 1>relate to like what I thought I wanted when I

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>was younger. And by the way, if any of you

0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:47.799
<v Speaker 1>out there are under forty and listening, just know like

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 1>it changes, it does. It definitely change the better you

0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:54.279
<v Speaker 1>get perspective. Well, yeah, you were saying you wanted to

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 1>have like freedom around food. I would like to be

0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I've had years and years and years and years of therapy,

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.919
<v Speaker 1>but I would like to And we were talking about

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 1>this at the top of this hour, but not be

0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:09.759
<v Speaker 1>so affected by oh my god, worried about are they

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 1>going to like me? Number one and number two? Always

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:16.439
<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of fear around oh my god,

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>when is the other shoe going to drop?

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I don't really have that so anxiety.

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's gotten listen, years of therapy and medication

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and work on myself. It's definitely a whole different thing

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:32.439
<v Speaker 1>than it used to be. But I do definitely dream

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 1>of a time where I am and it's gotten better,

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot better, but where I'm so sort of like secure,

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 1>knowing that I am like living in dignity and not worrying.

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:46.720
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't It doesn't affect me what people say or think. Yeah,

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:47.719
<v Speaker 1>that's definitely a goal.

0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know. I also I think one of the

0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:54.319
<v Speaker 2>things that's always been really important to me and that

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I really wanted as an adult was close female close

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:03.160
<v Speaker 2>female friendships because I struggled with that congratulations, I'm gonna

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say, like you and I,

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:09.800
<v Speaker 2>how long we've been friends? Only a few years? Like sisters?

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, Well, listen, the thing is the best thing

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 1>about the female, about a female friendship is that it's

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 1>so different. We can talk about shit that I will

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:22.239
<v Speaker 1>never ever talk to Jeff about, will relate to each

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:24.960
<v Speaker 1>other in a way that I can never ever relate

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 1>to him. You and I will be there for each

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:30.920
<v Speaker 1>other in ways that you know, my husband is thankfully

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>happily there for me always. But different.

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 2>But like the fact that, like if you had told

0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:39.480
<v Speaker 2>me when you're, you know, in your mid forties, you're

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:42.719
<v Speaker 2>going to find one of your best friends in the world, Like,

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that I would especially.

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Imagine this in this scenario, right.

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 2>And did you notice we have the same exact I

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:53.879
<v Speaker 2>already did notice that, But no, I mean, I'm really

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:55.680
<v Speaker 2>happy with where I am that I think there's so

0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 2>much to be said again another episode because whatever.

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:01.680
<v Speaker 1>But like, the female friendship for me at this age

0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 1>is everything.

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Everything, yeah, but not not everything.

0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 1>But it's a lot.

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:09.719
<v Speaker 2>But it's a lot. But that being said, on the

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 2>flip side of it, the female friendships that I felt

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:17.800
<v Speaker 2>like were toxic and not serving me. In the past

0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:22.600
<v Speaker 2>few years, I have definitely moved away from.

0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 1>So you see yourself in terms of like a bucket list?

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:26.359
<v Speaker 1>What do you see because you're younger to be Jack,

0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 1>but like now you're let's say, now you are sixty,

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:32.239
<v Speaker 1>what does that look like? I would like to.

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously that perfect relationship with food I would

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:37.320
<v Speaker 2>like to have.

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 1>But what does it look like? Do you have a

0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:39.719
<v Speaker 1>picture of it?

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 2>If my kids are happy and doing things that make

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 2>them happy, have gone to a four year college is

0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:51.560
<v Speaker 2>important to me, and working in careers that make them happy,

0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:55.440
<v Speaker 2>then I would feel like I can go live my life.

0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 2>I would like to travel with Evan. I would like

0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:01.319
<v Speaker 2>to work. I always want to be create content, you

0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 2>know I I That's why I love this podcast. I

0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 2>love being on the show.

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I can't say I always would want to work no, no, no,

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 1>but I.

0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 2>See I love creating content, like putting things out there,

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:14.320
<v Speaker 2>whether it's a book, an article, the show, the podcast.

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Like I am always like I wake up and I'm like,

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:19.279
<v Speaker 2>what can I write today? Yeah? I love that, So

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I still want to be doing that. I would like

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:23.279
<v Speaker 2>to write a lot more things, and of course play

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:23.879
<v Speaker 2>in a rock band.

0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and playing around and playing a rock band.

0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 2>And that's it.

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I got a lot of the bucket list things.

0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not Erica Kaine, but I am like I was

0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:34.880
<v Speaker 1>able to with this show. You know, see what it

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 1>feels like. Which is funny because that's when I say

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:38.680
<v Speaker 1>that I wanted to be famous as a bucket list thing.

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to say that I'm famous. I'm not.

0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I hate like I make myself sick a little like

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 1>because some people that watch the show will recognize me,

0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, but I'm not trying to be like now

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:51.239
<v Speaker 1>that I'm famous. I obviously know that I'm not. That's

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.719
<v Speaker 1>not but being recognized sometimes I thought that it was

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:56.520
<v Speaker 1>going to be it would fill me up in a

0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:59.439
<v Speaker 1>way that it definitely it's so much fun, but it's

0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 1>not what I thought like and maybe so many bucket

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:04.840
<v Speaker 1>list things aren't. Like I used to walk behind Margaret

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:07.600
<v Speaker 1>We're friends before and I watched people recognize her and

0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:09.520
<v Speaker 1>they would just wig out when they would see her coming,

0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:11.480
<v Speaker 1>and I would be like, wow, what would that be?

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Like, Yeah, because the problem is there's always going to

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:14.719
<v Speaker 2>be someone more famous than you.

0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Well not, that's not a problem. I don't mean it

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:17.520
<v Speaker 1>like that, right, but like.

0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:21.040
<v Speaker 2>You're always gonna when you get to a certain level,

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:24.200
<v Speaker 2>then you're like okay, now what Well.

0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I also just feel like it's not as for whatever reason,

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:30.680
<v Speaker 1>like when people recognize me, it's so flattering and nice,

0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:34.840
<v Speaker 1>but I would watch it happen to others and be like, wow,

0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:38.759
<v Speaker 1>I want that to happen to me, and it's not. Again,

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:40.959
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's not exciting and flattering and nice,

0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:44.400
<v Speaker 1>but there's you know, it's not I guess what it

0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 1>what I mean.

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's fun, Like I was at Whole Foods. It

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:49.560
<v Speaker 2>is fun, and I went over to the strawberries and

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:51.120
<v Speaker 2>there was a girl looking at the strawberries too, and

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:53.320
<v Speaker 2>we were both like picking up packages and looking to

0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:56.279
<v Speaker 2>see if like the whole package was like fine, And

0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 2>we were both there for like a good like minute

0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:00.960
<v Speaker 2>and a half and she said without looking up, and

0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:02.680
<v Speaker 2>she was like, I can't find a good package. And

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I know me neither. And she started to

0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 2>talk and then she looked at me and oh my god,

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Jackie and she drops all the strawberries and like it

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:14.040
<v Speaker 2>was just like it started, like that is so fun

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:17.040
<v Speaker 2>and funny. And then there are times when like you

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:20.240
<v Speaker 2>get somebody at like a checkout counter who like really

0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:22.319
<v Speaker 2>wants to deep dive into the show, and.

0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:25.000
<v Speaker 1>You're like, I don't. Yeah, no, I my toilet paper, right,

0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:26.239
<v Speaker 1>but not even I don't mean not that. I just

0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:27.719
<v Speaker 1>thought it would fill me up in a different way,

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Like it's not it's not the absolute that I thought

0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:32.480
<v Speaker 1>that it would be, you know, for somebody who always

0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:35.680
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be on stage or to be famous. Right,

0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 1>But like now what I want when I look at

0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:40.800
<v Speaker 1>my life is just like you, I want my kids.

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:43.319
<v Speaker 1>But even those bucket listened, Like you said college, the

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:47.479
<v Speaker 1>four year college thing. My kids both my daughter's about

0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:50.279
<v Speaker 1>to graduate in May, but both kids went to had

0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:53.640
<v Speaker 1>they both got a four year degree. Now I'm like

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:56.719
<v Speaker 1>that was so important, right, and like what college they

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:57.960
<v Speaker 1>were going to go to? No, I don't care what

0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.080
<v Speaker 1>college they want. I'm not saying that's not important. But

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:03.600
<v Speaker 1>now I look at life very differently. There's so many

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.560
<v Speaker 1>different and I have some friends whose kids took a

0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:10.640
<v Speaker 1>different path that has worked out so beautifully. Yeah, you know,

0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 1>so like all of that stuff that I thought I

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's really about them, not me, but that I

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.520
<v Speaker 1>thought I wanted for them so desperately. And I'm happy

0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:20.720
<v Speaker 1>that they both have graduated from a four year college,

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:24.560
<v Speaker 1>but the importance it felt so much more important to

0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:26.719
<v Speaker 1>me than it does now. In actually I think you

0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 1>live and learn, right, Yeah, No, just thinking about like

0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:31.160
<v Speaker 1>what else I wanted in life? And I'm fifty five

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:34.120
<v Speaker 1>years old, and like you would think i'd be actually

0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:37.399
<v Speaker 1>really concentrated on that, Like what do I want? Really

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:39.840
<v Speaker 1>sort of like you can't really plan it, I guess,

0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:42.840
<v Speaker 1>but put a lot of thought into that bucket list question.

0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 1>But I want to travel. I want to have my

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:51.319
<v Speaker 1>life be peaceful. I want Yeah, I don't want to

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 1>have at some point we're going to give up the

0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:58.040
<v Speaker 1>four bedroom colonial and I want to be somewhere easy

0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:00.799
<v Speaker 1>in a townhouse and an apartment in a you know,

0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and just and I guess play with grandkids.

0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Very I don't want even want to hear that word.

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's sorry.

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to talk about granids.

0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:09.799
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna happen.

0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Evan brings it up sometimes and I'm like, get the

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 2>fuck out of my face with branchids, like I still

0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:17.680
<v Speaker 2>have thirteen year olds, Like, I don't want to.

0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Hear any I can't believe you have thirteen year olds.

0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:20.520
<v Speaker 1>That is so hideous.

0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:23.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry, far away from like thirteen.

0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Well my oldest and your youngest are not that far

0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:27.800
<v Speaker 2>apart in age.

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:28.919
<v Speaker 1>Rachel's twenty one.

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh you're right, yeah they are.

0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not interested in going back, but I am

0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:35.399
<v Speaker 1>inted in having the grandkids. And like everyone says having them,

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be that grandmother. I'm not raising them.

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:40.439
<v Speaker 1>I'll take them, I'll play with them, I'll give them money,

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and i'll send them back.

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 2>See. I still have these thoughts every once in a

0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:45.120
<v Speaker 2>while where I'm like, I could still have a baby.

0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:48.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm forty seven. I hear that I could still have

0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:48.720
<v Speaker 2>a baby.

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I have brought it up to Evan, to be honest

0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:53.640
<v Speaker 2>with you, I think I stop bringing it up, Like

0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:58.080
<v Speaker 2>a year ago. But I think two main concerns, and

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.160
<v Speaker 2>I would have another one because I actually love to

0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:04.560
<v Speaker 2>the children. My two main concerns are that, you know,

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:06.760
<v Speaker 2>as you get older, it's riskier.

0:54:06.600 --> 0:54:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Be a geriatic what do they call a geriatric?

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Forget?

0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Forget, you're like geriatric? I am like fucking like in

0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:19.120
<v Speaker 3>the coffee and walking kiddy. I am like the old

0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 3>age home pregnancy.

0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:24.200
<v Speaker 2>I worry that it would be healthy, that the child

0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.360
<v Speaker 2>would be healthy, because you know, as you get older

0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:30.920
<v Speaker 2>there's a greater source of But if I could guarantee

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<v Speaker 2>that it was healthy, I just think that it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be like so much of a sibling, excepting name, because

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<v Speaker 2>there'd be such an age difference. I just can't get.

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<v Speaker 1>Past past the pack that this is a bucket Is.

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<v Speaker 2>This called that's the bucket list? I don't need a

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<v Speaker 2>fun are you nuts? No? I don't need But are

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<v Speaker 2>walking around in their eighties they weren't believing that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>on their bucket list.

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<v Speaker 1>That just that was like something slipped okay, seriously, something

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:59.239
<v Speaker 1>fucking slipped by, and some woman was like, don't worry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on that pill wink wing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I don't know. So yeah, but grandkids I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't want to think about yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, people love them, they say good things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>people recommend it. Oh yeah no no, I definitely one day,

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<v Speaker 1>but not anytime soon. Not today, No, not today, honey.

0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:21.320
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to also. Now we're just rambling, but whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we have a producer jackline. You can cut

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<v Speaker 1>in paste. But like, I'd like to just do things

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<v Speaker 1>that are like when you say creative, like not work,

0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:31.880
<v Speaker 1>like you always want to so you always want to work.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I always want to do creative things.

0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to make nice stuff like i'd like to. Lately,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been putting this stuff on social media about like

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<v Speaker 1>cooking because I'm so bad at it, and so I've

0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:44.160
<v Speaker 1>been doing things where I'm cooking whatever shitty thing I'm cooking,

0:55:44.200 --> 0:55:46.280
<v Speaker 1>and just it's like fun. It's like it's like performing

0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:49.439
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, you know, and like just thinking about

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:51.799
<v Speaker 1>it and thinking, like maybe one night I'll do an

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<v Speaker 1>edible and we'll call it edible cooking. Well, come over

0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and do that and then we'll Because I sock at cooking,

0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 1>so so do I. Well, the reason I suck at

0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:02.960
<v Speaker 1>cooking is because I never wanted to cook. Because I

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.400
<v Speaker 1>never wanted to taste of food, right, Yeah, so I

0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:06.880
<v Speaker 1>suck at it just because I suck at it and

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I was never interested in doing it, and like, but

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<v Speaker 1>like making these little videos about it is kind of funny.

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I did like a one. I have a one in

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<v Speaker 1>bringing watch Chicken. I have to watch that. You don't

0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:16.640
<v Speaker 1>have to watch that, but I do. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>my point. The bigger point is that like doing fun

0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, you know not yea, I don't have to.

0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to necessarily change the world, but like

0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:27.479
<v Speaker 1>being creative like that. Yeah, And I think that being

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<v Speaker 1>funny and coming up with things. I do really enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether or not you know you paste on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not on TikTok. I don't even have an account.

0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:37.879
<v Speaker 2>I think I made an account once just to check

0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:40.160
<v Speaker 2>like my daughter's content, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I've never been on it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that I felt like I missed the

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<v Speaker 2>boat on doing those kind of things.

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:48.920
<v Speaker 1>You may have there, maybe taking it down it was

0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 1>all that controversy. But yeah, but like stuff like that,

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:54.120
<v Speaker 1>but I think is fun. I would also like to

0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 1>give back. I should probably say that even though that

0:56:56.719 --> 0:57:00.400
<v Speaker 1>has not come out, but do something meaningful in this world. Actually, like, yeah, no,

0:57:00.440 --> 0:57:03.279
<v Speaker 1>idea something good we have. Of course we've done good

0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:06.759
<v Speaker 1>things in this world, but something that has nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do with me.

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<v Speaker 2>But by the way, I tell you something funny follow

0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.239
<v Speaker 2>up to the TikTok things. So I always had this

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:15.000
<v Speaker 2>regret that I didn't get on TikTok early enough. Right,

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:17.440
<v Speaker 2>So when Threads started, I was like, I'm gonna be

0:57:17.440 --> 0:57:23.560
<v Speaker 2>the first motherfucker on Threads. Iain. I was like all

0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:25.720
<v Speaker 2>about Threads for like a month, and then I was like,

0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:30.040
<v Speaker 2>you know what, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what thread is, honey.

0:57:30.640 --> 0:57:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes on my Instagram, the Facebook version of Twitter, I.

0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Don't even know what that means. And I don't want

0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:39.680
<v Speaker 1>to know Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. I have no other bucket list items. All right, Well,

0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:47.320
<v Speaker 2>listen you guys if you want to, I keep saying

0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 2>at the end of every show, but if you guys

0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:50.680
<v Speaker 2>have any ideas there are things you want us to

0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:53.440
<v Speaker 2>talk about, it would be so great. I think we

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:54.840
<v Speaker 2>really should watch that movie.

0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay about it. We're definitely watching them. What do you

0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:00.320
<v Speaker 1>mean in ten minutes? Okay, yeah, but no.

0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:03.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm serious. This was so fun it always is fun. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you guys are having fun. We appreciate your

0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:06.360
<v Speaker 1>listening a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, We love you guys until next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye bye,