WEBVTT - Are Gen-Z Voters Self-Interested? Or Is That A Misconception?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you worry about the death at all as a

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<v Speaker 1>young person.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's focus on getting the economy better, right, isn't that

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing to do? Like, why wouldn't we build

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<v Speaker 2>on the economic success we're enjoying right now under Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden's policies and leadership, instead of stabbing ourselves in the

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<v Speaker 2>foot and going back to Trump. You know, the best

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<v Speaker 2>thing to pay off the debt. Let's have a great economy.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's invest in America right, Let's succeed. That's step number one.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think Payvon Shroff is the press secretary of

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<v Speaker 1>Dream for America, and that organization is lucky to have him.

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<v Speaker 1>He is smart, articulate, dedicated, and filled with conviction about

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<v Speaker 1>being involved in politics, about fighting to make America a

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<v Speaker 1>better place. That's why I was so happy that he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to come on the Warning podcast. I learned

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<v Speaker 1>a lot from listening to him, and I hope you'll

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the conversation and its entirety. But I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to talk more directly about a couple of issues that

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<v Speaker 1>came up during the interview. When I have these conversations,

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<v Speaker 1>the point of them is not for me to challenge,

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<v Speaker 1>not for me to assert my views over the guests.

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<v Speaker 1>It's to listen, it's to provoke, it's to incite sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>but not to get into a debate. I offer my

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<v Speaker 1>opinion on the podcast on the commentaries on a frequent

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<v Speaker 1>enough basis that everybody knows where I'm coming from. There's

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<v Speaker 1>an issue in American life, in our politics that is

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<v Speaker 1>extremely important, that has always been understood to be important,

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<v Speaker 1>and every president, regardless of party, comprehended in the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>the moral obligation to make certain the nation was never bankrupt.

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<v Speaker 1>When the country was new in the beginning, the United

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<v Speaker 1>States had no credit. It was extended to us by

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<v Speaker 1>the Dutch. The country was not wealthy. Visualize, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>a cliff, and imagine, if you will, two ropes descending

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<v Speaker 1>down that cliff, which is high enough to obscure the

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<v Speaker 1>question of whether the rope is long enough to reach

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom. Now, imagine coming across two people having a debate.

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<v Speaker 1>The debate between them is whether they should stay where

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<v Speaker 1>they are or descend down the ropes. And it's an

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<v Speaker 1>angry debate of aterperative debate. But shouldn't there be room

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<v Speaker 1>within the debate for somebody to ask the question is

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<v Speaker 1>the rope long enough. That's what pragmatism is in politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how this is supposed to work with money. Objectively,

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<v Speaker 1>both political parties, because they live in the same nation,

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<v Speaker 1>swear an oath to the same constitution, are supposedly supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to look at out a problem, recognizing

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<v Speaker 1>it's a shared societal issue, and come to a resolution

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<v Speaker 1>about what measures to take to make it better as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to making it worse. Now, imagine that there's an

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<v Speaker 1>issue that needs to be addressed. The way it's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to work is that people with different perspectives sit around

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<v Speaker 1>the table and decide what to do, and often that

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<v Speaker 1>involves spending money. Now, let's say the most progressive person

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<v Speaker 1>in the room looks at the situation and says, in

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<v Speaker 1>good faith, I think that's going to cost a billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>And the most conservative person in the room looks at

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<v Speaker 1>the most progressive person and says, a billion. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a million. And sitting in the center

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<v Speaker 1>on the center left, in the center right are two

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<v Speaker 1>pragmatives who appreciate that everybody in the room identifies that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a problem that must be solved, but rejects

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<v Speaker 1>the dogma that holds it can be solved with nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>or that every problem can be solved with the billion.

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<v Speaker 1>Somewhere in the middle is the solution. The problem facing

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<v Speaker 1>America in this moment that we talked about but no

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<v Speaker 1>one thinks about, is this fundamental reality of the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>There has never been a society broke more deeply in

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<v Speaker 1>debt than the United States of America has been in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. And we're digging deeper and deeper and deeper.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean when the debt of the nation

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<v Speaker 1>is at thirty trillion dollars, at forty trillion dollars, at

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<v Speaker 1>fifty trillion dollars, What does it mean when a trillion

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<v Speaker 1>is added to the debt every one hundred days. It

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<v Speaker 1>took north of two hundred years to reach one trillion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in debt, and now it accumulates in piles one

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<v Speaker 1>trillion for every one hundred days. What is a trillion?

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<v Speaker 1>The number gets thrown around all the time. Everybody knows

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<v Speaker 1>what a millionaire is, and there are a thousand billionaires

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. There's a lot of them, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are no trillionaires, at least not yet though there

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<v Speaker 1>are some companies that are worth a trillion dollars, it's

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<v Speaker 1>much easier to understand the difference between a million and

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<v Speaker 1>a billion than a billion and a trillion. Maybe time

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<v Speaker 1>is an easy way to understand the incredible levels of

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<v Speaker 1>spending in debt that are going to beggar the young

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<v Speaker 1>people that are going to live in America for the

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<v Speaker 1>next eighty years. What is a million seconds. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you were to say to somebody, I'll see you in

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<v Speaker 1>a million seconds. What does that mean, Well, it would

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<v Speaker 1>mean i'll see you in twelve days. Now, let's imagine

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<v Speaker 1>saying to somebody, I'll see you in a billion seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean. What's the difference between a million

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<v Speaker 1>and a billion, Well, it's the difference between twelve days

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty one years. That's the difference. A billion seconds

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<v Speaker 1>is thirty one years. What's a true seconds. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>difference between thirty one years and thirty one thousand years.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty one thousand years, that's what a trillion is. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how incomprehensibly big the number is. And yet the money

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<v Speaker 1>is piled on, piled on, piled on, and so now

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest expenditure that we spend on every year is

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<v Speaker 1>paying interest for money we already spent, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>type of theft from young people who have to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for the profligacy of their grandparents at the expense of

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<v Speaker 1>their children and grandchildren. And there has never, never, ever

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<v Speaker 1>been one generation of Americans that has done this to

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<v Speaker 1>the generation that has followed. So I thought this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>was very, very interesting to hear the perspective of a

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<v Speaker 1>young progressive. This is an urgent issue for the country.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's understand something. America has no small government party,

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<v Speaker 1>it has no limited government party. There are two giant

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<v Speaker 1>spending parties in Washington, DC, and the most irresponsible party

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to spending in all of human history

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<v Speaker 1>is the Republican Party and its fascist incarnation under Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is it's a most reckless spending incarnation in all

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<v Speaker 1>its long history of spending irresponsibility. This is an important issue.

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington would have understood this as an important issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and so would have John Kennedy and Franklin Roosevelt would

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<v Speaker 1>have understood it. Every president understood this until Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>And now it seems like the train has left the

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<v Speaker 1>tracks and it's time to start talking about this issue,

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<v Speaker 1>have a watch. Do you think that gen Z voters

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<v Speaker 1>can be reached on political issues that go beyond self interest? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that we need to come out right and vote because

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get something right, We're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>a financial we're gonna get a financial reward. Right that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're for this person because this person's going

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<v Speaker 1>to alleviate something, and that raises up, raises up, raises

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<v Speaker 1>up a secondary issue about politics. But like, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean by that? I do?

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<v Speaker 2>I do know what you mean. I kind of find

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<v Speaker 2>it a little bit intriguing only because I view, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>the generation of Jamie Diamond who's gonna get up at

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<v Speaker 2>Davos and say Trump is right about China, which is

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<v Speaker 2>delusional and a list off a bunch of other things.

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<v Speaker 2>And to me, that comes across as a super rich

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<v Speaker 2>guy who wants to say extra super rich and really

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<v Speaker 2>wants to keep those TAC cuts cuts. I view it

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<v Speaker 2>that way. Whereas I view young voters in fact, what

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<v Speaker 2>are they motivated by. Sure, they don't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>shot in school? Is that selfish? Maybe? Sure, they want

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to access, you know, healthcare. They want

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to have women's rights, LGBT rights. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean those are all showing up for groups allyship coalition building.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what gen Z and millennials even are

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<v Speaker 2>defined by. So I do see the student loan issue.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one specific example, but I don't really know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's too many more that I would pin

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<v Speaker 2>on gen Z specifically, as they're looking for, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some benefit from the government. I do think, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>just big picture, I mean, economists suggest and we could

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<v Speaker 2>debate this, I'm sure, but that student loan forgiveness right,

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<v Speaker 2>raises all tides in the country. It's good for the economy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's for us to invest in our own people. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that used to be something I think people could

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<v Speaker 2>agree on that. You know, investing in Americans is a

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<v Speaker 2>good investment. So I see the point on student loan forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 2>But you could say that about any type of loan forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 2>You can say that about any type of government program, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it helps some people, not everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you worry about the debt at all? As a

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<v Speaker 1>young person, register with you that the country is thirty

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<v Speaker 1>trillion dollars in debt. That and let me give a

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<v Speaker 1>caveat for this. This has freaked me out for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, right, and so full caveat here. People were

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<v Speaker 1>predicting disaster at ten trillion, fifteen trillion, twenty trillion, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>trillion dollars. But now right, you're at a point where

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<v Speaker 1>because of spending that's gone, it's happened, right, The largest

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<v Speaker 1>components of the budget every year, right are the interest

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<v Speaker 1>payments right on the money that's already been spent. And

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<v Speaker 1>so country's two hundred and fifty years old. Every leader

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<v Speaker 1>in the country, regardless of party, really is a moral proposition,

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<v Speaker 1>almost like a family business. You know, understood, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>beggar the country. We can't steal from future generations right

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<v Speaker 1>to party on today. So today we're talking about all

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<v Speaker 1>of these issues that cost money that will matter for

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<v Speaker 1>your generation. When the largest expenditure in the federal budget

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<v Speaker 1>is the repayment of money spent five years ago, six

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, I mean, there are some estimates that upwards

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<v Speaker 1>over a trillion dollars a trillion got stolen right during

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<v Speaker 1>the COVID relief packages, and it's in its totality. Does

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<v Speaker 1>that issue you have any currency for you, for anybody

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<v Speaker 1>your age does anyone ever sit around and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it and just look at it through the holy shit? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, studies spend in fucking money, right, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>like like type of conversation, do they really? I do

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<v Speaker 1>think so on a zones that the birthday party here.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think it's interesting because you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned that other generations understood this, but here we are,

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<v Speaker 2>so they obviously didn't understand it too well. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that, you know what, I at least and this

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<v Speaker 2>could be the liberal indoctrination they're talking about happening on

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<v Speaker 2>college campuses. But I did study economics at Brown, and

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<v Speaker 2>I went to business school at Yale, And really, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the message is it doesn't matter. That is

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<v Speaker 2>I think what a lot of leading economists think. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think to your point, right, how many times has

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<v Speaker 2>that been the conversation, And it doesn't seem like it's mattered,

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<v Speaker 2>And especially when you are talking about the more urgent

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<v Speaker 2>issues of gun violence, taking away people's human rights, all

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<v Speaker 2>of these other things. People can't feed themselves, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>let's focus on getting the economy better, right, isn't that

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing to do? Like, why wouldn't we build

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<v Speaker 2>on the economic success we're enjoying right now under Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden's policies and leadership, instead of stabbing ourselves in the

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<v Speaker 2>foot and going back to Trump. You know the best

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<v Speaker 2>thing to pay off the debt. Let's have a great economy.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's invest in America.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how I would see this issue, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>I get part of some politics, right, I get. I

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<v Speaker 1>get campaign politics. I've spent a long time in political campaigns.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is is why do people think the

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<v Speaker 1>economy is bad? Right when the stock market is performing

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<v Speaker 1>and YadA YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA on all the on

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<v Speaker 1>all the metrics. And the answer to that question is

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<v Speaker 1>because forty percent of the country, right, doesn't have four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars of cash available. Right, You have an enormous

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<v Speaker 1>percentage of people are dissociated from the concept of upward mobility,

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<v Speaker 1>from the American dream. Thanks to Jamie Diamond, right who

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at the key leaves, right, you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what powers this fascist movement. One of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that's fueled by a cynicism, right, and the cynicism of

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<v Speaker 1>the bankers is necessary for the fascist movement to take power.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not a leading indicator, they're a lagging one. So

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<v Speaker 1>those comments in Davos right have meaning? Right? But right?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it right that you know a person who,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, is unbanked, an enlisted person who is in

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<v Speaker 1>the court has to get usery banking rates. The twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven year old woman who's arrested for discarding the miscarriage

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<v Speaker 1>remains in the toilet. You have a fundamental question. Does

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<v Speaker 1>she live in a democracy? She doesn't live in a democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>The question about the economy, right, is in an environment

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<v Speaker 1>we have forty percent of the people that don't have

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<v Speaker 1>forty percent. I'm all for somebody go giving a speech

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<v Speaker 1>like pr gave about launching a new progressive error. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>entirely supportive, right of you know, somebody laying out the

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<v Speaker 1>contours of a vision about what we're gonna do as

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<v Speaker 1>a society. When right, the AI and computers and robots

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<v Speaker 1>takeaway enormous percentages of jobs in a country where the

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<v Speaker 1>number one living wage job for a working class white

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<v Speaker 1>guy is driving something to somewhere. Right, So there's all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff falls under an umbrella of like what are

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<v Speaker 1>we gonna do? Sure, I don't hear a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>talk in either party, none in none in one one

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<v Speaker 1>is one party is just it's completely off the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>It's no symmetry, but the only party that's left. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't hear it, right, I don't. The accomplishments that

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<v Speaker 1>he has I think are fine. I think he's been

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<v Speaker 1>a good president, right. I think this year is just

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<v Speaker 1>like warming up on the national security stuff. But respond

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<v Speaker 1>to that, because when you talk about the next twenty years, right,

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<v Speaker 1>do you believe really the foundation of that is the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden agenda? Right? Or are you waiting right for the

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<v Speaker 1>first like forty two, forty three, three, forty four year

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<v Speaker 1>old candidate, first candidate who has real currency, real resonance

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<v Speaker 1>with your generation, a Clinton figure, a JFK figure, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know who can connect like I've just talked to

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<v Speaker 1>me about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think I think of it in two parts.

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<v Speaker 2>So number one on why isn't Biden getting credit for

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<v Speaker 2>the economy that you notice strong? I mean that four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars statistic It was true under the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 2>So we can't explain that by talking about Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 2>or his policies. I think we can explain it by

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the media ecosystem. Frankly, that does seem antagonistic

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<v Speaker 2>towards this administration, and I think we're seeing the same

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen playbook unfold. But what I'm excited to see

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<v Speaker 2>is I do think that people are hip to that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to be but her emails again, because

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<v Speaker 2>we live through but her emails, So people are going

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<v Speaker 2>to call it out now, not in twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>and say, oh, looking back, we really should have said

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Times was doing a bad job. And

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<v Speaker 2>I do think I give Biden credit a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>flak for saying that the media should cover the economy

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<v Speaker 2>more fairly. But what happened a few weeks after he

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<v Speaker 2>made that comment, They did finally point out that the

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<v Speaker 2>economies are doing pretty well. And then what followed, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>some perception changed and Americans started to see that it

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<v Speaker 2>is doing well. But I think on the future vision,

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<v Speaker 2>the future project can actually you know, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>fan of his presidential bid, but Cornell West was a

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<v Speaker 2>professor of mine, and he would constantly talk about, which

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with, this idea that American democracy, the beauty

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<v Speaker 2>of it was, this idea of experimentation and being creative

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<v Speaker 2>with policy ideas, and we don't do that anymore that often.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have states trying out awesome, cool programs. I

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<v Speaker 2>think part of that is because we're drowning right now.

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<v Speaker 2>We just have to stabilize. We have to push out

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<v Speaker 2>the MAGA movement. We have to fend off Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>before we can actually build and invest in. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden's tried to do that.