1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Do you worry about the death at all as a 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: young person. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 2: Let's focus on getting the economy better, right, isn't that 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: the best thing to do? Like, why wouldn't we build 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: on the economic success we're enjoying right now under Joe 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: Biden's policies and leadership, instead of stabbing ourselves in the 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: foot and going back to Trump. You know, the best 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: thing to pay off the debt. Let's have a great economy. 9 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: Let's invest in America right, Let's succeed. That's step number one. 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: I would think Payvon Shroff is the press secretary of 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: Dream for America, and that organization is lucky to have him. 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: He is smart, articulate, dedicated, and filled with conviction about 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: being involved in politics, about fighting to make America a 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: better place. That's why I was so happy that he 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: was able to come on the Warning podcast. I learned 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: a lot from listening to him, and I hope you'll 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: listen to the conversation and its entirety. But I wanted 18 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: to talk more directly about a couple of issues that 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: came up during the interview. When I have these conversations, 20 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: the point of them is not for me to challenge, 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: not for me to assert my views over the guests. 22 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: It's to listen, it's to provoke, it's to incite sometimes, 23 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: but not to get into a debate. I offer my 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: opinion on the podcast on the commentaries on a frequent 25 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: enough basis that everybody knows where I'm coming from. There's 26 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: an issue in American life, in our politics that is 27 00:01:54,520 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: extremely important, that has always been understood to be important, 28 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: and every president, regardless of party, comprehended in the moment, 29 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: the moral obligation to make certain the nation was never bankrupt. 30 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: When the country was new in the beginning, the United 31 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: States had no credit. It was extended to us by 32 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: the Dutch. The country was not wealthy. Visualize, for example, 33 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: a cliff, and imagine, if you will, two ropes descending 34 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: down that cliff, which is high enough to obscure the 35 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: question of whether the rope is long enough to reach 36 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: the bottom. Now, imagine coming across two people having a debate. 37 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: The debate between them is whether they should stay where 38 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: they are or descend down the ropes. And it's an 39 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: angry debate of aterperative debate. But shouldn't there be room 40 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: within the debate for somebody to ask the question is 41 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: the rope long enough. That's what pragmatism is in politics. 42 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: Here's how this is supposed to work with money. Objectively, 43 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: both political parties, because they live in the same nation, 44 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: swear an oath to the same constitution, are supposedly supposed 45 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: to be able to look at out a problem, recognizing 46 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: it's a shared societal issue, and come to a resolution 47 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: about what measures to take to make it better as 48 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: opposed to making it worse. Now, imagine that there's an 49 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: issue that needs to be addressed. The way it's supposed 50 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: to work is that people with different perspectives sit around 51 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: the table and decide what to do, and often that 52 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: involves spending money. Now, let's say the most progressive person 53 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: in the room looks at the situation and says, in 54 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: good faith, I think that's going to cost a billion dollars, 55 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: And the most conservative person in the room looks at 56 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: the most progressive person and says, a billion. That's crazy. 57 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a million. And sitting in the center 58 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: on the center left, in the center right are two 59 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: pragmatives who appreciate that everybody in the room identifies that 60 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: there is a problem that must be solved, but rejects 61 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: the dogma that holds it can be solved with nothing, 62 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: or that every problem can be solved with the billion. 63 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: Somewhere in the middle is the solution. The problem facing 64 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: America in this moment that we talked about but no 65 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: one thinks about, is this fundamental reality of the moment. 66 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: There has never been a society broke more deeply in 67 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: debt than the United States of America has been in 68 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. And we're digging deeper and deeper and deeper. 69 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: What does that mean when the debt of the nation 70 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: is at thirty trillion dollars, at forty trillion dollars, at 71 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: fifty trillion dollars, What does it mean when a trillion 72 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: is added to the debt every one hundred days. It 73 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: took north of two hundred years to reach one trillion 74 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: dollars in debt, and now it accumulates in piles one 75 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: trillion for every one hundred days. What is a trillion? 76 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: The number gets thrown around all the time. Everybody knows 77 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: what a millionaire is, and there are a thousand billionaires 78 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: in the United States. There's a lot of them, but 79 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: there are no trillionaires, at least not yet though there 80 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: are some companies that are worth a trillion dollars, it's 81 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: much easier to understand the difference between a million and 82 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: a billion than a billion and a trillion. Maybe time 83 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: is an easy way to understand the incredible levels of 84 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: spending in debt that are going to beggar the young 85 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: people that are going to live in America for the 86 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: next eighty years. What is a million seconds. Let's say 87 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: you were to say to somebody, I'll see you in 88 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: a million seconds. What does that mean, Well, it would 89 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: mean i'll see you in twelve days. Now, let's imagine 90 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: saying to somebody, I'll see you in a billion seconds. 91 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: What does that mean. What's the difference between a million 92 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: and a billion, Well, it's the difference between twelve days 93 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: and thirty one years. That's the difference. A billion seconds 94 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: is thirty one years. What's a true seconds. That's the 95 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: difference between thirty one years and thirty one thousand years. 96 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: Thirty one thousand years, that's what a trillion is. That's 97 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: how incomprehensibly big the number is. And yet the money 98 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: is piled on, piled on, piled on, and so now 99 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: the biggest expenditure that we spend on every year is 100 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: paying interest for money we already spent, which is a 101 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: type of theft from young people who have to pay 102 00:09:53,920 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: for the profligacy of their grandparents at the expense of 103 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: their children and grandchildren. And there has never, never, ever 104 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: been one generation of Americans that has done this to 105 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: the generation that has followed. So I thought this conversation 106 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: was very, very interesting to hear the perspective of a 107 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: young progressive. This is an urgent issue for the country. 108 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: And let's understand something. America has no small government party, 109 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: it has no limited government party. There are two giant 110 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: spending parties in Washington, DC, and the most irresponsible party 111 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: when it comes to spending in all of human history 112 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: is the Republican Party and its fascist incarnation under Donald 113 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: Trump is it's a most reckless spending incarnation in all 114 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: its long history of spending irresponsibility. This is an important issue. 115 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: George Washington would have understood this as an important issue, 116 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: and so would have John Kennedy and Franklin Roosevelt would 117 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: have understood it. Every president understood this until Donald Trump. 118 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: And now it seems like the train has left the 119 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: tracks and it's time to start talking about this issue, 120 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: have a watch. Do you think that gen Z voters 121 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: can be reached on political issues that go beyond self interest? Right, 122 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: that we need to come out right and vote because 123 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: we're going to get something right, We're going to get 124 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: a financial we're gonna get a financial reward. Right that 125 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, we're for this person because this person's going 126 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: to alleviate something, and that raises up, raises up, raises 127 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: up a secondary issue about politics. But like, do you 128 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean by that? I do? 129 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: I do know what you mean. I kind of find 130 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: it a little bit intriguing only because I view, for example, 131 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: the generation of Jamie Diamond who's gonna get up at 132 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: Davos and say Trump is right about China, which is 133 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: delusional and a list off a bunch of other things. 134 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: And to me, that comes across as a super rich 135 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: guy who wants to say extra super rich and really 136 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: wants to keep those TAC cuts cuts. I view it 137 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: that way. Whereas I view young voters in fact, what 138 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: are they motivated by. Sure, they don't want to get 139 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: shot in school? Is that selfish? Maybe? Sure, they want 140 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: to be able to access, you know, healthcare. They want 141 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: to be able to have women's rights, LGBT rights. I 142 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: mean those are all showing up for groups allyship coalition building. 143 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: I think that's what gen Z and millennials even are 144 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 2: defined by. So I do see the student loan issue. 145 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: That's one specific example, but I don't really know that. 146 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: I think there's too many more that I would pin 147 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: on gen Z specifically, as they're looking for, you know, 148 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: some benefit from the government. I do think, by the way, 149 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: just big picture, I mean, economists suggest and we could 150 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: debate this, I'm sure, but that student loan forgiveness right, 151 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: raises all tides in the country. It's good for the economy, 152 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: it's for us to invest in our own people. I 153 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: mean that used to be something I think people could 154 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: agree on that. You know, investing in Americans is a 155 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: good investment. So I see the point on student loan forgiveness. 156 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: But you could say that about any type of loan forgiveness. 157 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: You can say that about any type of government program, right, 158 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: I mean it helps some people, not everyone. 159 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: Do you worry about the debt at all? As a 160 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: young person, register with you that the country is thirty 161 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: trillion dollars in debt. That and let me give a 162 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: caveat for this. This has freaked me out for a 163 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: long time, right, and so full caveat here. People were 164 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: predicting disaster at ten trillion, fifteen trillion, twenty trillion, thirty 165 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: trillion dollars. But now right, you're at a point where 166 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: because of spending that's gone, it's happened, right, The largest 167 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: components of the budget every year, right are the interest 168 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: payments right on the money that's already been spent. And 169 00:14:55,200 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: so country's two hundred and fifty years old. Every leader 170 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: in the country, regardless of party, really is a moral proposition, 171 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: almost like a family business. You know, understood, we can't 172 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: beggar the country. We can't steal from future generations right 173 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: to party on today. So today we're talking about all 174 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: of these issues that cost money that will matter for 175 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: your generation. When the largest expenditure in the federal budget 176 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: is the repayment of money spent five years ago, six 177 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: years ago, I mean, there are some estimates that upwards 178 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: over a trillion dollars a trillion got stolen right during 179 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: the COVID relief packages, and it's in its totality. Does 180 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: that issue you have any currency for you, for anybody 181 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: your age does anyone ever sit around and talk about 182 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: it and just look at it through the holy shit? Yeah? 183 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, studies spend in fucking money, right, that's the 184 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: like like type of conversation, do they really? I do 185 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: think so on a zones that the birthday party here. 186 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: You know, I think it's interesting because you kind of 187 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: mentioned that other generations understood this, but here we are, 188 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: so they obviously didn't understand it too well. And I 189 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: think that, you know what, I at least and this 190 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: could be the liberal indoctrination they're talking about happening on 191 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: college campuses. But I did study economics at Brown, and 192 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: I went to business school at Yale, And really, honestly, 193 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: I think the message is it doesn't matter. That is 194 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: I think what a lot of leading economists think. And 195 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: I think to your point, right, how many times has 196 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: that been the conversation, And it doesn't seem like it's mattered, 197 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: And especially when you are talking about the more urgent 198 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: issues of gun violence, taking away people's human rights, all 199 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: of these other things. People can't feed themselves, So you know, 200 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: let's focus on getting the economy better, right, isn't that 201 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 2: the best thing to do? Like, why wouldn't we build 202 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: on the economic success we're enjoying right now under Joe 203 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: Biden's policies and leadership, instead of stabbing ourselves in the 204 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: foot and going back to Trump. You know the best 205 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: thing to pay off the debt. Let's have a great economy. 206 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: Let's invest in America. 207 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: This is how I would see this issue, right. And 208 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: I get part of some politics, right, I get. I 209 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: get campaign politics. I've spent a long time in political campaigns. 210 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: But the reality is is why do people think the 211 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: economy is bad? Right when the stock market is performing 212 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: and YadA YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA on all the on 213 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: all the metrics. And the answer to that question is 214 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: because forty percent of the country, right, doesn't have four 215 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: hundred dollars of cash available. Right, You have an enormous 216 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: percentage of people are dissociated from the concept of upward mobility, 217 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: from the American dream. Thanks to Jamie Diamond, right who 218 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: when you look at the key leaves, right, you kind 219 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: of what powers this fascist movement. One of the things 220 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: that's fueled by a cynicism, right, and the cynicism of 221 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: the bankers is necessary for the fascist movement to take power. 222 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: They're not a leading indicator, they're a lagging one. So 223 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: those comments in Davos right have meaning? Right? But right? 224 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: What is it right that you know a person who, 225 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: for example, is unbanked, an enlisted person who is in 226 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: the court has to get usery banking rates. The twenty 227 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: seven year old woman who's arrested for discarding the miscarriage 228 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: remains in the toilet. You have a fundamental question. Does 229 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: she live in a democracy? She doesn't live in a democracy. 230 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: The question about the economy, right, is in an environment 231 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: we have forty percent of the people that don't have 232 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: forty percent. I'm all for somebody go giving a speech 233 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: like pr gave about launching a new progressive error. I'm 234 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: entirely supportive, right of you know, somebody laying out the 235 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: contours of a vision about what we're gonna do as 236 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: a society. When right, the AI and computers and robots 237 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: takeaway enormous percentages of jobs in a country where the 238 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: number one living wage job for a working class white 239 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: guy is driving something to somewhere. Right, So there's all 240 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: this stuff falls under an umbrella of like what are 241 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: we gonna do? Sure, I don't hear a lot of 242 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: talk in either party, none in none in one one 243 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: is one party is just it's completely off the wall. 244 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: It's no symmetry, but the only party that's left. Right, 245 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't hear it, right, I don't. The accomplishments that 246 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: he has I think are fine. I think he's been 247 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: a good president, right. I think this year is just 248 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: like warming up on the national security stuff. But respond 249 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: to that, because when you talk about the next twenty years, right, 250 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: do you believe really the foundation of that is the 251 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: Biden agenda? Right? Or are you waiting right for the 252 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: first like forty two, forty three, three, forty four year 253 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: old candidate, first candidate who has real currency, real resonance 254 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: with your generation, a Clinton figure, a JFK figure, right, 255 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: you know who can connect like I've just talked to 256 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: me about that. 257 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I think of it in two parts. 258 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 2: So number one on why isn't Biden getting credit for 259 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: the economy that you notice strong? I mean that four 260 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: hundred dollars statistic It was true under the Trump administration. 261 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: So we can't explain that by talking about Joe Biden 262 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 2: or his policies. I think we can explain it by 263 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: talking about the media ecosystem. Frankly, that does seem antagonistic 264 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: towards this administration, and I think we're seeing the same 265 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen playbook unfold. But what I'm excited to see 266 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: is I do think that people are hip to that 267 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: it's not going to be but her emails again, because 268 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: we live through but her emails, So people are going 269 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: to call it out now, not in twenty twenty five, 270 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: and say, oh, looking back, we really should have said 271 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: the New York Times was doing a bad job. And 272 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: I do think I give Biden credit a lot of 273 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 2: flak for saying that the media should cover the economy 274 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: more fairly. But what happened a few weeks after he 275 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 2: made that comment, They did finally point out that the 276 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: economies are doing pretty well. And then what followed, of course, 277 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 2: some perception changed and Americans started to see that it 278 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: is doing well. But I think on the future vision, 279 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: the future project can actually you know, I'm not a 280 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: fan of his presidential bid, but Cornell West was a 281 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: professor of mine, and he would constantly talk about, which 282 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 2: I agree with, this idea that American democracy, the beauty 283 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 2: of it was, this idea of experimentation and being creative 284 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 2: with policy ideas, and we don't do that anymore that often. 285 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: We don't have states trying out awesome, cool programs. I 286 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 2: think part of that is because we're drowning right now. 287 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: We just have to stabilize. We have to push out 288 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: the MAGA movement. We have to fend off Donald Trump 289 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 2: before we can actually build and invest in. I think 290 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's tried to do that.