WEBVTT - Volkswagen Today

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production of I Heart Radios

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>I Heart Radio and I love all things tech. And

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<v Speaker 1>we are continuing with our story about Volkswagen. And in

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<v Speaker 1>our last episode, we made our way up to ninety

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<v Speaker 1>two when Dr Carl hand, the former head of Volkswagen

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<v Speaker 1>America and the person whom former CEO Heinrich Nordhoff had

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<v Speaker 1>handpicked way back in the nineteen sixties to be the

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the company, would actually fulfill that vision. In

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<v Speaker 1>the interim, Volkswagen had leaders who had pushed the company

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<v Speaker 1>beyond its dependence upon the Type one car. Type one

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<v Speaker 1>is what we in America called the Volkswagen Beatle. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, Volkswagen's manufacturing facilities in Germany had already stopped

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<v Speaker 1>producing the Beatle by early nineteen eighty. The original plan

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<v Speaker 1>was to stop in nineteen seventy nine, but as they

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<v Speaker 1>were getting towards the end of the year, they realized

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<v Speaker 1>that they had way too many orders to fill. They

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<v Speaker 1>had to actually keep going, keep producing beyond when they

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<v Speaker 1>had planned to stop, in order to meet those demands

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<v Speaker 1>and to keep building that reliable little car. By mid

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty, that had changed and production had shifted to

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<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen's facilities in Brazil and Mexico, so the Beetle was

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<v Speaker 1>still being produced there, but was no longer being produced

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany. While the company made far fewer of the

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<v Speaker 1>Type one vehicles, the facility in Puebla, Mexico churned them

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<v Speaker 1>out all the way up until two thousand three. That

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<v Speaker 1>means Volkswagen was making the Type one air cooled rear

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<v Speaker 1>engine Volkswagen Beetle for nearly sixty years without an eruption.

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<v Speaker 1>In Mexico, the car became a popular option for tack

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<v Speaker 1>sea drivers because the vehicles were small, they had good traction,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were easy to maintain due to their simple

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<v Speaker 1>mechanical structure. Eventually, in the Mexican government outlawed the Beatle

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<v Speaker 1>as a taxi cab car, deeming it too unsafe for

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<v Speaker 1>that purpose. Oh and before I move on, I should

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<v Speaker 1>at least mention that Volkswagen began making the Jetta model

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<v Speaker 1>of vehicles starting in nineteen seventy nine. The design of

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<v Speaker 1>the Jetta aimed at a customer that wanted something a

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<v Speaker 1>bit larger than the Volkswagen Golf known as the Rabbit

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<v Speaker 1>here in the United States, and the Jetta is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the models Volkswagen still produces today and is consistently

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<v Speaker 1>one of their more popular models. It also comes in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different configurations. Two door, four door, five door.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to mention it because my producer Tari used

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<v Speaker 1>to drive one, though she drove a more recent model

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<v Speaker 1>than in nineteen seventy nine Jetta. I imagine she's nodding

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<v Speaker 1>yes in case he can't hear her nod. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Volkswagen the company from the time Doctor Han

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<v Speaker 1>took over up to present day now. One measure that

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<v Speaker 1>Han took was to work with China to establish Volkswagen's

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<v Speaker 1>presence in the vast Chinese market. In the early nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>China was just starting to enter into a massive economic transformation,

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<v Speaker 1>one that we're still seeing play out today. Volkswagen would

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the first Western automotive companies to work

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<v Speaker 1>with China. In fact, it was the first Western automotive

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<v Speaker 1>company to work with China to create an early automobile

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<v Speaker 1>industry in that nation. It would be incredibly important both

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<v Speaker 1>to China and to Volkswagen itself. After all, China has

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<v Speaker 1>the largest population of any country in the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>for several years Volkswagen was the only non Chinese car

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<v Speaker 1>company operating within that country, and as you might imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>that meant Volkswagen was able to get a big jump

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the other car company. Today, Volkswagen and

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<v Speaker 1>its partners manufactured vehicles and parts in more than thirty

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing facilities throughout China. Dr Hahn also continued Volkswagen's practice

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<v Speaker 1>of acquiring other companies, and acquisitions are going to play

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<v Speaker 1>a really big part in today's episode as well. Here later,

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<v Speaker 1>but he oversaw the completion of Volkswagen's acquisition of fift

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<v Speaker 1>of the Spanish car company Seat in nineteen eight six,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as gaining a substantial stake in a check

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<v Speaker 1>company called Skota in nineteen These two companies would be

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<v Speaker 1>the first non German subsidiaries for Volkswagen. The first subsidiary,

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<v Speaker 1>if you remember from the last episode, was Audi that

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<v Speaker 1>was another German car company, though Volkswagen would later acquire

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<v Speaker 1>more ownership of both car companies, eventually owning both outright,

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<v Speaker 1>and Volkswagen would become a leading car company in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in the southern and Eastern European markets. The subsidiaries

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<v Speaker 1>make talking about Volkswagen a little tricky, as there's the

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<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen Group that includes all the companies and brands like Audi,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to Volkswagen the car company, which is specifically

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<v Speaker 1>the company that makes branded Volkswagen vehicles like the Beatle.

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<v Speaker 1>While Volkswagen was growing through these acquisitions, it was also

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways following a plan very similar to what

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<v Speaker 1>had been the cornerstone for the company during much of

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<v Speaker 1>its history. So for decades, the Beatle had been the

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<v Speaker 1>primary product from Volkswagen. While Volkswagen was finally retiring the

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<v Speaker 1>Beatle in this time, it was essentially doing the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was following the same play with a different sensible car,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be the Golf. It's not incorrect to say

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<v Speaker 1>the Golf was intended for the same type of consumer

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<v Speaker 1>who previously would have purchased a Beatle, but Han recognized

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<v Speaker 1>that the strategy alone would not be enough to sustain

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<v Speaker 1>the company, and in fact, it was depending too heavily

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<v Speaker 1>upon any one veha a model is a recipe for

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<v Speaker 1>potential disaster if markets should change. With that in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>Han gave more freedom to the Audi division. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>really isn't an episode about Aldi, so I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get too far off track here, but it would

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<v Speaker 1>mean that the Audi brand was given a bit more

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<v Speaker 1>slack to develop cars for a higher end market than

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<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen's Golf catered to. And it would give Audi the

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<v Speaker 1>the the freedom to start experimenting more and uh really

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<v Speaker 1>branching out from what it had been doing. Breaking free

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<v Speaker 1>of a perception that Audi was a brand that made

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<v Speaker 1>cars that old people liked. It was able to get

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<v Speaker 1>past that an Audi for the most part, operated as

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<v Speaker 1>an independent division within Volkswagen. Around this time forward, one

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<v Speaker 1>enormous political event that would hit close to home for

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Han quite literally was the reunification of Germany. Towards

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the nineteen eighties, it became clear that

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union days were numbered, and that entire story

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<v Speaker 1>is far too big to fit into an episode about Volkswagen.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the many consequences of the Soviet Union's

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<v Speaker 1>collapse was that East and West Germany would reunite into

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<v Speaker 1>a whole nation. Now, this was when the Berlin Wall,

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<v Speaker 1>which once stood as a symbol of oppression and authoritarianism

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<v Speaker 1>was pulled down to the ground. For Volkswagen, it would

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<v Speaker 1>mean the opportunity to establish new manufacturing facilities and what

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<v Speaker 1>had previously been Soviet controlled territory. As for dr Han,

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<v Speaker 1>the meaning was much more personal. He had grown up

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<v Speaker 1>in Chimnets, which is in eastern Germany. After World War Two,

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<v Speaker 1>his family left the region as that region was falling

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<v Speaker 1>to Soviet control. In fact, Dr hans father was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the founders of Auto Union, which would later evolve

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<v Speaker 1>into AUDI. So for Dr Han this was more than

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<v Speaker 1>just Volkswagen growing its production facilities. It was coming back

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<v Speaker 1>to a part of Germany that hadn't been you know,

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<v Speaker 1>approachable for years. It had been behind Soviet control, behind

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<v Speaker 1>the Iron Curtain. Part of hans reasoning, in fact, a

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<v Speaker 1>large part of it when it came to opening up

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing facilities, was that relying upon a centralized production model

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't necessarily efficient or cost effective. He wanted to build

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<v Speaker 1>more plants in various regions so that the production facilities

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<v Speaker 1>weren't that far away from the people who were actually

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<v Speaker 1>buying the cars. That really cut down costs. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>building the stuff near where the people who want the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff can get the stuff, then you're cutting down costs significantly.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was looking ahead to a more unified Europe

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<v Speaker 1>and he wanted to build a car company capable of

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<v Speaker 1>flourishing in that environment. At the same time, expanding operations

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<v Speaker 1>costs a lot of money, and Volkswagen was spending a

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<v Speaker 1>ton to build out these manufacturing facilities. Moreover, Han felt

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<v Speaker 1>that the European market would serve as sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>foundation for the rest of Volkswagen's businesses around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>so most of his focus was on developing the European

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<v Speaker 1>market and investing in that market, which meant Volkswagen's presence

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<v Speaker 1>in other parts of the world, notably in North America

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<v Speaker 1>and the United States, really began to fade quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Fans of Volkswagen in the US felt like they were

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<v Speaker 1>being neglected, something that stung more than a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>considering the fact that Dr Han had once been the

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<v Speaker 1>head of the American division of Volkswagen. The popularity of

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<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen in America had been on shaky ground since nine

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<v Speaker 1>when sales figures dipped from year to year. It went

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<v Speaker 1>down from nineteen one. Now the numbers fluctuated a bit

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<v Speaker 1>over the next several years. Sometimes they would go down

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit, sometimes they would rebound a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But the general trend from nineteen eighty one all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to nineteen nine three was to see declines in sales.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure most of you know that's the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of what you want to see in a sales chart.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I say a decline, I mean there was

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<v Speaker 1>a really big drop off. So back in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen sold around three hundred thirty eight thousand vehicles in

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<v Speaker 1>the US market. In that number dropped down to fewer

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<v Speaker 1>than fifty thousand vehicles. So three d thirty eight thousand

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<v Speaker 1>down to less than fifty thousand. That's catastrophic. So what

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<v Speaker 1>caused that number to drop down so low in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States? Well, one reason was that the general consensus

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<v Speaker 1>was that the cars coming out of the American manufacturing

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<v Speaker 1>plant were substandard, and another was that the cars coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of Mexico were similarly unreliable, and the Puebla manufacturing

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<v Speaker 1>facility in Mexico was experiencing a ton of different problems.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't until nineteen when Volkswagen introduced the third

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<v Speaker 1>generation of the Goulf and the third generation of the

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<v Speaker 1>Jetta models in the US that sales began to recover.

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<v Speaker 1>The American market was fiercely competitive at that time. Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>automakers were really filling in the void that had been

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<v Speaker 1>left by Volkswagen, and the Japanese companies were offering cars

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<v Speaker 1>that aimed at customers who were looking for reliable, inexpensive vehicles.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the nineteen seventies, if you were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>an auto import in the United States, you were probably

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Volkswagen. But by the mid eighties that had changed.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were talking about an import, you were probably

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Japanese car. And Dr Han didn't seem too

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about reversing that trend, as he was focused more

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<v Speaker 1>on the European market at the time. Now that's not

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<v Speaker 1>to say Volkswagen wasn't introducing new vehicles during Dr hans

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<v Speaker 1>time as CEO. The company produced new models like the

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<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen Santana also known as the Quantum, which evolved from

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<v Speaker 1>the Volkswagen Pasat. Volkswagen also made a few cars for

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<v Speaker 1>various regional markets like Brazil or Eastern Europe, and these

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<v Speaker 1>were very much peculiar to those agents. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't from there, you were not likely to see one

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<v Speaker 1>of these types of Volkswagen's. In Volkswagen launched an ad

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<v Speaker 1>campaign in the United States that I still remember quite well.

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<v Speaker 1>The company introduced a new word to Planet Earth. That

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<v Speaker 1>new word was far fig nugan. This was technically a

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<v Speaker 1>brand new word made up of two existing German words.

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<v Speaker 1>You had fatherin, meaning to drive, and very NuGen, which

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<v Speaker 1>means enjoyment. So this was supposed to be about the

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyment of driving driving enjoyment varvig NuGen. This was not

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<v Speaker 1>an existing German word, rather one that was invented for

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<v Speaker 1>the ad campaign. However, I will say that the German

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<v Speaker 1>language frequently strings together multiple words to create a new word,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than just inventing a sensible short word to handle things.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you will occasionally run into German words that

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<v Speaker 1>are incredibly long, because they've just strung together a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of pre existing words to describe something new. Now, despite

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<v Speaker 1>the ad campaign, the general feeling in the US was

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<v Speaker 1>that Volkswagen was just focused on other markets and not

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<v Speaker 1>in North America. In Dr Han retired as CEO, and remember,

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<v Speaker 1>the worst year for North American sales would follow in

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<v Speaker 1>partly because Dr Hans strategy hadn't really supported the North

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<v Speaker 1>American market. The new head of the company would be

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<v Speaker 1>a man named Ferdinand Psh. And by the way, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I butchered the pronunciation of Psh in a previous episode

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<v Speaker 1>when I talked about this family. But Ferdinand Psh had

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<v Speaker 1>previously helmed the Audi division under Volkswagen Group, and beyond that,

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<v Speaker 1>he traced his lineage back to the very founding of Volkswagen.

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<v Speaker 1>His grandfather was Ferdinand Porsche himself. His father was Anton Psh,

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<v Speaker 1>who married Ferdinand Porsche's daughter Louise headvig Annie Villehelmina Portschah.

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<v Speaker 1>What a name. And so if you listen to my

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<v Speaker 1>first episode in this series, you know that Anton Psh

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<v Speaker 1>had been the director of Volkswagen during World War Two.

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<v Speaker 1>That meant he was overseeing operations back when Volkswagen was

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<v Speaker 1>dependent upon forced labor, and reportedly he ran off with

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<v Speaker 1>a significant amount of money from Volkswagen while fleeing Allied forces.

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<v Speaker 1>In he would get arrested by French authorities along with

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<v Speaker 1>Ferdinand Porsche and spent a couple of years in jail

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<v Speaker 1>before finally being released. Well, Ferdinand pH had previously worked

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<v Speaker 1>at Porsche mainly in efforts to build high performance racing cars,

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<v Speaker 1>with the primary goal of building a vehicle that could

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<v Speaker 1>win the Laman's endurance race. This type of race is

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<v Speaker 1>different from those that are all about the first vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>to cross the finish line after a given number of

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<v Speaker 1>laps or distance. Instead, the winning vehicle at Lament's is

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<v Speaker 1>the one that has covered the most distance in a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hour period, So whichever car has gone the

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<v Speaker 1>furthest within twenty four hours across a predetermined route. Porsche

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<v Speaker 1>had been entering versions of its Porsche nine seventeen for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five years before a Porsche driver took home the

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<v Speaker 1>top prize. Ferdinand had achieved his goal of engineering a

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<v Speaker 1>winning race car at great expense. In fact, it was

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<v Speaker 1>such an expensive endeavor that it nearly bankrupted Porsche. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen two, Ferdinand Psh would transition from Porsche to go

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<v Speaker 1>work at Audi. Now this wasn't necessarily by choice. Pasha's

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<v Speaker 1>obsession with creating faster racing cars had almost brought down

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<v Speaker 1>the company, and ownership of the company fell to two families,

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<v Speaker 1>the Porsche family and the pH family, and both of

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<v Speaker 1>those families trace their history back to the founder Ferdinand Porsche.

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<v Speaker 1>Both of them owned about fifty of the company Porsche,

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<v Speaker 1>and the two sides were beginning to fight with each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and I swear going through the stories makes it seem

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a season of Game of Thrones. We'll learn

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<v Speaker 1>more about that later in this episode. So in order

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent this rivalry from tearing the company to pieces,

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<v Speaker 1>the two families agreed that no one from either side

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<v Speaker 1>should be involved in the day to day operations of Porsche.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why PSH would leave Porsche the car company Porsche,

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<v Speaker 1>not the holding company for Audi. Ferdinand. PSH would Transformality

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<v Speaker 1>from that brand that was being viewed as a bit

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<v Speaker 1>old fashioned in catering to the elderly into more of

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<v Speaker 1>a luxury sedan brand, and so it brought Audi into

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<v Speaker 1>competition against vehicle makers like BMW or Mercedes. But PSH

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<v Speaker 1>had grander designs. He wanted to head up Volkswagen itself.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get back to the episode. Now. We're

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<v Speaker 1>getting into an era in Volkswagen's history that was particularly

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<v Speaker 1>complicated by family politics. This stuff gets juice. There's betrayal,

0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:06.600
<v Speaker 1>there's shifty maneuvering, there's backstabbing, their extramarital affairs. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the Porstcha and PSH families from

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies to the two thousands and a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit beyond, it sounds like the stuff out of a

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<v Speaker 1>soap opera, like Dynasty or Dallas. It's crazy. On top

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<v Speaker 1>of that, we enter into a bizarre corporate structure in

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<v Speaker 1>which different companies gain a stake in each other, and

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases it looks to me like the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing is oura borus. You know, the snake eating its

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<v Speaker 1>own tail. And I'll do my best a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>later in this episode to try and work out how

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<v Speaker 1>that actually ends up being structured. For no other reason

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<v Speaker 1>that to illustrate how the ownership of these companies is

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly complicated and at least to me somewhat ikey. In

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime, we've got other stuff to touch on now.

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<v Speaker 1>While I'll have lots of critical things to say about

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<v Speaker 1>pH one thing that's clear is that his ambition pushed

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<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen to new heights. He was reportedly a very hard

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<v Speaker 1>boss to work for, Like he was incredibly demanding and ruthless. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He was quick to throw you aside if he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think you were useful. And there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other negative things I could say. But in nine the

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<v Speaker 1>company would introduce the new Beatle and that would become

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<v Speaker 1>available for purchase in the United States the following year,

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<v Speaker 1>and that showed that they were now paying attention to

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<v Speaker 1>the North American market again and no longer keeping such

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<v Speaker 1>a laser focus just on Europe. This was a combat

0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.359
<v Speaker 1>car that was inspired by the original Beetle, but it

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<v Speaker 1>featured sleeker lines, front mounted inline four cylinder engine. If

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to the first part of the series you

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<v Speaker 1>remember that the original Volkswagen Beetle was an air cooled

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<v Speaker 1>rear mounted engine, so it was very different from that,

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<v Speaker 1>and Motor Trends would actually name it the import car

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<v Speaker 1>of the Year in nineteen Despite its small size, it

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<v Speaker 1>really wasn't the most efficient vehicle on the road. It

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<v Speaker 1>averaged twenty one miles per gallon. You would have thought

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<v Speaker 1>that perhaps it would have been a little better about that,

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<v Speaker 1>but no. Well, the new Beatle, along with an updated

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<v Speaker 1>Passat and a new Jetta model all helped revitalized Volkswagen

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<v Speaker 1>sales in North America after that market had been largely

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten about for more than a decade. Meanwhile, on the

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<v Speaker 1>corporate side of things, pH was leading some pretty serious

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<v Speaker 1>efforts to really expand Volkswagen's assets. One of the big

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<v Speaker 1>acquisitions at this time was Bentley Motors, the company that

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<v Speaker 1>had gone through a couple of changes in ownership, having

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<v Speaker 1>been part of Rolls Royce for nearly forty years before

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<v Speaker 1>a company called Vickers Plc purchased the Rolls Royce Motor

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<v Speaker 1>division in nineteen seventy. Twenty eight years after that, PSH

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<v Speaker 1>and Volkswagen came calling with an offer to purchase the

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<v Speaker 1>Bentley brand. Though Volkswagen would not acquire ownership of the

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<v Speaker 1>Rolls Royce logo or name, they did get hold of

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<v Speaker 1>the designs. They could use the car designs, but they

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<v Speaker 1>could not use the logo or name of Rolls Royce Bentley's.

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<v Speaker 1>In case you don't know, our luxury cars like as

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<v Speaker 1>luxury as luxury gets really crafts. People hand make many

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<v Speaker 1>of the details on the vehicles like you'll get like

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<v Speaker 1>hand carved dashboards, for example. So the manufacturing process is

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<v Speaker 1>guided by a human touch nearly every step of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>It is slow and methodical, and these are extremely expensive

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<v Speaker 1>luxury cars. They're also extremely British. The cost of the

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<v Speaker 1>acquisition was four hundred thirty million pounds. But we're not

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<v Speaker 1>done with Volkswagen's purchases in n yet. The company also

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<v Speaker 1>acquired the rights to use the Bugatti brand name. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Bugatti has its own odd past. In fact, at this

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<v Speaker 1>point I think it must come as a prerequisite for

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<v Speaker 1>car companies. It was founded in the early twentieth century

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<v Speaker 1>by a Torre Bugatti, who built many successful race cars

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteen hundreds, but after his death in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen forties, the company kind of lost focus, and

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<v Speaker 1>by the nineteen fifties it had pretty much faded from memory.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't really producing cars anymore. In nineteen seven, Romano

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<v Speaker 1>are totally an entrepreneur, acquired the rights to the Bugatti

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<v Speaker 1>brand and built new manufacturing facilities with the the intent

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<v Speaker 1>of making Bugatti a prestige brand again. The new Bugatti

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<v Speaker 1>company produced several cars, but a recession in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>nineties took a big chunk of the company's assets and

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<v Speaker 1>it was essentially a failed business by so three years

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<v Speaker 1>later in nine Volkswagen acquires the brand name Bugatti and

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<v Speaker 1>starts up production with new model designs. So today the

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<v Speaker 1>Bugatti brand is associated with super cars that come with

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<v Speaker 1>incredible high end price tags. And I think it's most

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<v Speaker 1>a testament to Pasha's interest in fast cars, Like he

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<v Speaker 1>clearly always had a fascination with building incredibly fast vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bugatti are the type of cars that look like

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<v Speaker 1>they're going fast even when they're sitting still. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still not done with their acquisitions. One other big brand

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<v Speaker 1>that Volkswagen acquired that year was Lamborghini. That was the

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<v Speaker 1>Italian luxury sports car company. It's now part of Volkswagen

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<v Speaker 1>It was founded in the nineteen sixties. Largely it was

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<v Speaker 1>intended to be a competitor to Ferrari and developing high

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<v Speaker 1>performance race cars. As I mentioned earlier, is really expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it nearly bankrupted Porscha. Well for Lamborghini, that

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<v Speaker 1>they were having the same sort of issues. They were

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<v Speaker 1>spending way more money than they were making, and then that,

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<v Speaker 1>paired with the oil crisis of the nineteen seventies, meant

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<v Speaker 1>that very few orders for these high end sports cars

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<v Speaker 1>were coming in. It led to a disastrous collapse of

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<v Speaker 1>the Lamborghini company and the company went bankrupt and eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy eight. A few years later, brothers Patrick and Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Claude Memroun revived Lamborghini and it became a brand uh

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<v Speaker 1>a new in the nineteen eighties, um with with models

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<v Speaker 1>like the Kuntash, which I remember as a kid, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was the most amazing looking car I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>But then they ended up selling Lamborghini to the Chrysler Corporation.

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<v Speaker 1>In Chrysler would in turn sell Lamborghini off to a

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<v Speaker 1>Malaysian company, and it was from that company the Volkswagen

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<v Speaker 1>would acquire the rights to the Lamborghini name. And designs. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>technically Lamborghini falls under the AUDI division at Volkswagen, and

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned before, AUDI gets to operate more or

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<v Speaker 1>less independently from Volkswagen, but it belongs to Volkswagen Groups.

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<v Speaker 1>So Lamborghini is one of the brands under the Volkswagen

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<v Speaker 1>Group name. All right, let's skip ahead to two thousand two.

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<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen announced two new lines of vehicles that year. There

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<v Speaker 1>was the Phaeton line that was a luxury car brand,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was the Tourig line, which are SUVs. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This was also the year that ferinand Psh would step

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<v Speaker 1>out of the role of CEO for Volkswagen and he

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<v Speaker 1>became the chairman of the board for Volkswagen Group for

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<v Speaker 1>their supervisory and steering committees. pH would continue to have

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<v Speaker 1>significant influence within the company. His successor as CEO was

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<v Speaker 1>an engineer named Burned Peter Pischets Reader and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>of butchered that last name, so we're just gonna call

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<v Speaker 1>him Burnt because it's a lot easier. In two thousand three,

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<v Speaker 1>the final Type one Beatle, the original Volkswagen vehicle model

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<v Speaker 1>that carried the company for decades, rolled off the manufacturing

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:47.119
<v Speaker 1>facility in Pueblo, Mexico, and it was actually given a number.

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<v Speaker 1>It was number. It was car number twenty one million,

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand, four hundred sixty four. It was not sold

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<v Speaker 1>off to some lucky motorist. Instead, it was actually shipped

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<v Speaker 1>back to Volkswagen's headquarters in Volksburg, Germany, because, as Indiana

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:09.399
<v Speaker 1>Jones would say, it belongs in a museum. Burnt would

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.359
<v Speaker 1>only stay at CEO for just a few short years

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<v Speaker 1>before he was essentially forced to resign, and allegedly the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that he was forced to resign was because he

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 1>was frequently coming to disagreements with pH, who really wanted

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>to keep control of this company. Martin Winterkorn, who had

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 1>been the leader for the AUDI division, would then step

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>in to take over the role as CEO. That would

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<v Speaker 1>happen in January two seven, and winter Corn had been

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 1>a pH protege though that would be put to the

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<v Speaker 1>test in a big, big way. So at first pH thought,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, now I've got my guy in this space,

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>even though the pH had handpicked Burnt earlier. So um,

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he kept getting burned by people that

0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.879
<v Speaker 1>he picked might say more about his management style, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and eight, Volkswagen announced plans to build

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<v Speaker 1>an assembly plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee, a billion dollar assembly plant.

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 1>It would be finished by two thousand eleven. And this

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 1>was the goal of producing cars for the American market,

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, within the market itself again, to augment Volkswagen's

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 1>production facilities and reduce the cost of getting cars to Americans.

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:25.879
<v Speaker 1>That was also the year when we would see a

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 1>game of thrones like struggle really heat up. So let

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.360
<v Speaker 1>me see if I can sort all of this out.

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 1>This is also gonna mean sticking with this particular story

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and skipping some other stuff in the timeline for now,

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>but I want to try and work my way through

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 1>this whole sordid affair, alright. So this is really the

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 1>story of two companies, Volkswagen Group and Porsche se which

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>is a holding company. And it's also the story of

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>two families, the Porsche family and the related pH family,

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>their cousins to each other, and both of these trace

0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>their lineage to Ferdinand Porsche, the founder of both Porsche

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the auto company and Volkswagen the auto company. And it's

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 1>also about a lot of complex corporate maneuvers that frankly,

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't fully understand, because tech is easy, but corporate

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>structures are really hard. Okay, So the Porsche pH families

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>own a holding company called Porsche s E. And now, typically,

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 1>a holding company's purpose is to create a central point

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>of control for multiple distinct businesses while simultaneously isolating those

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>businesses enough so that if one should fail or falter,

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't drag the others down with it. So it's

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>a way to limit liability in other words, And each

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 1>business under a holding company performs as its own distinct business,

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>though it ultimately is under the umbrella of the parent

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>holding company. The holding company holds assets and equity, but

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 1>doesn't get involved in the day to day operations of

0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.239
<v Speaker 1>the business it holds, so you can think of it

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 1>as the business owners but not the business operators. At

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.239
<v Speaker 1>least that's how it usually goes. So let's lay out

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the arrangement here. So Anton Psh and Ferdinand Porsche first

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 1>founded the company that would evolve into portscha Se way

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 1>back in the nineteen thirties, and this is that holding

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>company that oversees assets. Essentially, this company holds the assets

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>of the Porsche and Psh families. It it funnels all

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>of the shares that all the different members of these

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>families have and represents their ownership of Porsche um. Different

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>members of the family, oh own different numbers of shares,

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 1>so like one person in Porsche family might own twice

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>as many shares as most of the other members of

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the families. So just imagine a really big family of

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>people who don't really get along all that well with

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:59.479
<v Speaker 1>one another, and they all own some part of this

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 1>holding company. Okay, so Porsche SE in turn owns the

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>family interest in another holding company called Porsche Vision Holding.

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I oh, you Germans Vision Holding essentially means intermediate holding company,

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>which I mean that tracks right like it's a holding

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>company that's owned by a different holding company. Now, to

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>be fair, it's a little more complicated than even that.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>This is starting to turn into like a Russian nesting

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 1>doll situation here. But the Porsche pH families own fifty

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>point one percent of this intermediary holding company. So you

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>can think of Porsche SE as the organization that holds

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:50.719
<v Speaker 1>the assets that in turn represent controlling interest in another

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>holding company. But it's this intermediary holding company that owns

0:31:55.960 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent of Porsche Automobile Group that that's the

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>actual car manufacturing company that's responsible for building and selling

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Porsche vehicles. So you know, Porsche se which represents the

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>family Porsche pH interest in Porsche's Vision Holding and that

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>in turn owns Porsche Automobile Group, got it because I

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 1>don't now Porsche had as in the car company had

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>a long history of being involved with Volkswagen's operations since

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the very beginning, and the holding company had a five

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>percent stake in Volkswagen up until two thousand five, So

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>the Porsche Holding Company also owned some ownership in Volkswagen,

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>a small amount five percent, But in two thousand five

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Porsche acquired more shares in Volkswagen and increased the ownership

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>to twenty percent. So now the Porsche Holding Company owns

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 1>one fifth of Volkswagen. For a while, it looked like

0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>that was all that they could do, because is the

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>German government had actually passed a law specifically for Volkswagen

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 1>that prevented any single shareholder from acquiring more than of

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the ownership of the company. And this was in large

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>part because Lower Saxony, the government region of Lower Saxony,

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>was an owner of Volkswagen. If you listen to my

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 1>first episode you remember I mentioned that that the trade

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 1>unions still to this day have a powerful voice within

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 1>the operations of Volkswagen, and technically Lower Saxony had a

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>little more than ownership of Volkswagen. So by passing this law,

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Germany was preventing anyone else from getting more power in

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>the company than Lower Saxony had, So this government group

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 1>would have the most powerful say in the company as

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>long as everyone else was limited to ownership or less.

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>But then the European Union come challenged this law in

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>two thousand seven and things started to change, and perhaps

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.919
<v Speaker 1>emboldened by that challenge, the Porsche Holding Company increased its

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 1>steak in Volkswagen to nearly of the shares, so now

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>it owned more of Volkswagen than Lower Saxony did. Little

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 1>by little Porsche would add more shares of Volkswagen to

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 1>its steak, and the process was incredibly expensive. So by

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine, when Porsche held more than fifty percent

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 1>ownership so it had controlling interest in Volkswagen, it became

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 1>clear that it was not going to be sustainable. Porsche

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 1>of the company was in debt up to its corporate eyeballs.

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>So then in a move that I still find perplexing.

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen goes and acquires forty nine point nine percent ownership

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>in Porsche Automobile Group as in the actual automobile company.

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, now, follow me here. Porsche the holding company

0:34:56.040 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>takes majority ownership of Volkswagen Group. Volks Wagon Group has

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:05.359
<v Speaker 1>nearly fifty percent ownership of the Porsche Car Company. Say

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I told you this was confusing. Now, at this point,

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:12.720
<v Speaker 1>the Volkswagen and Porsche companies were in talks of actually

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:16.800
<v Speaker 1>merging together, but that didn't happen as the EU Commission

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>seemed ready to oppose the move and there were some

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.239
<v Speaker 1>legal risks, but that would all get settled by two

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>thousand twelve because then Volkswagen would go ahead and purchase

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>the remaining interest in the Porsche Automotive Company, not the

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>holding company, but the actual car company. In addition, managers

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.800
<v Speaker 1>in Volkswagen were to become managers in Porsche s C,

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 1>which would ensure that Volkswagen would remain the dominant party

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 1>at the table. Now, another part of the reason why

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>this all gets so messy is that the families involved

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 1>were feuding. On the Porsche side, you had Wolfgang Porsche,

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 1>who was widely regarded as the head of that family,

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>so you can think of Wolfgang as the godfather of

0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the Porsche's. On the pH side, you had Ferdinand pH,

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the former Volkswagen CEO and then the chairman of Volkswagen's

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Supervisory Board. The two were trying to outmaneuver each other

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>throughout this entire process, and pH had clear contempt for

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 1>his cousin. There are lots of stories about pH insulting

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the Porsche side of the family, with one report claiming

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 1>that pH likened the Porsche's two pigs and then likened

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 1>himself to a bore. And what he was saying, well,

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 1>he was alluding to the fact that he Psh had

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>grown up going to a tough boarding school, and he

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 1>had put in the work to grow Volkswagen over the years.

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:40.760
<v Speaker 1>He was an engineer, he actually did the work, whereas

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 1>the Porsche side, all of them went to fancy prep schools,

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>they had no interest in engineering, and most of them

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 1>were lawyers, so it was clear he didn't have a

0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 1>very high opinion. This would continue to boil over over

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 1>the following years. I'll explain more in just a moment,

0:36:57.120 --> 0:37:07.239
<v Speaker 1>but first let's take another quick break. Okay, So that

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>whole corporate mess. I just covered kind of boils down

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to Volfgang Porsche and Ferdinand pH facing off against each other,

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 1>with pH ultimately winning at least a little bit. And

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>if it weren't for that darn diesel Gate scandal, this

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 1>would likely be the most crazy part of the Volkswagen story.

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 1>But then we do have the diesel Gate scandals. Let's

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>talk about what that was and what it means. So

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 1>back in the mid two thousand's, Volkswagen began to make

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 1>a serious marketing push, designing diesel based vehicles for the

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 1>United States and other markets and instead of gasoline powered vehicles.

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>So diesel engines were invented by a guy named Diesel,

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and he built a combustion engine that he intended to

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:53.919
<v Speaker 1>run off of stuff like peanut oil. And in fact,

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 1>you can run diesel engines off of some plant based oils.

0:37:57.719 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you want to do a little bit of processing

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>before you do that, but you can do it. Diesel

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 1>engines can't run at a much higher efficiency than gasoline engines,

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:09.719
<v Speaker 1>so you can run a diesel engine for longer with

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>a comparable amount of fuel than a gasoline engine. Now

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:16.279
<v Speaker 1>I could do a full episode to lay out the

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:20.800
<v Speaker 1>differences between diesel and gasoline engines, but really for the consumer,

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>a big differentiating factor is just how far you can

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 1>travel per given amount of fuel. Diesel cars get more

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 1>miles to the gallon than gasoline based cars, and there

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of other factors that determine whether or

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:35.560
<v Speaker 1>not it makes financial sense to go with diesel over gasoline.

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.320
<v Speaker 1>That includes the cost of the fuel, because if diesel

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 1>is significantly more expensive the gasoline, you have to factor

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 1>that in as well as the purchase price of the vehicle.

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Of diesel vehicles are more expensive than you may not

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.400
<v Speaker 1>see a financial benefit to going with diesel as opposed

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>to gasoline, but that's neither here nor there for the scandal. Now,

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.759
<v Speaker 1>one of the things car companies must do is they

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 1>have to meet emissions standards with their vehicles in order

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>to be able to do business within certain countries like

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:05.800
<v Speaker 1>the United States. And this is all related to environmental impact.

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 1>So your cars have to perform at a certain standard,

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:13.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, beneath a threshold, or the United States government

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't allow you to sell those cars in the US market.

0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.400
<v Speaker 1>So back in the mid two thousand's, some engineers at

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen we're trying to figure out how to make a

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 1>diesel engine that would operate within the restrictions on emissions

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>that the United States government had established. But they also

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 1>were working with very tight restrictions within Volkswagen itself. So

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 1>the culture within Volkswagen was success at any cost. I mean,

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.760
<v Speaker 1>pH had had proven that he was willing to spend

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 1>tons of money to succeed at various engineering tasks, but

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, the restrictions were so tight on

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 1>this department, they didn't have very many options. So they

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 1>realized that rather than actually changing the engine, which was

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:57.839
<v Speaker 1>going to be very expensive and beyond the budget they

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.880
<v Speaker 1>were given and beyond their capabilities, they could instead make

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:04.399
<v Speaker 1>a few tweaks to some software algorithms to make the

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:08.919
<v Speaker 1>engines operate at or below emissions thresholds, and that would

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 1>allow them to stay within budget for the development of

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:15.319
<v Speaker 1>the cars. There's only one problem. The tweaks meant that

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen was going to essentially be cheating on emissions tests. Now,

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>this didn't get discovered right away. It wasn't until two

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:27.439
<v Speaker 1>thousand fourteen when some West Virginia University researchers found that

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:30.719
<v Speaker 1>two cars that they were testing a Volkswagen Jetta and

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 1>a Volkswagen Pasat emitted much higher emissions levels than what

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 1>they should be doing based upon emissions testing. Now. Volkswagen's

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>official response initially anyway, was that there must have been

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 1>some sort of unexpected technical issue and unusual test conditions

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:51.640
<v Speaker 1>that led to this. Engineers at Volkswagen sent a memo

0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>to CEO Martin winter Corn at the time or vinter Corn,

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.799
<v Speaker 1>but it's not known if vinter Corn actually saw that

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 1>particular memo because it was bundled with a whole bunch

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 1>of other memos at the time. Um there are a

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of people who suggest that perhaps he knew about

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>this early on, and others who say that maybe he didn't. Well,

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen would issue a recall on diesel vehicles. They recalled

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:14.880
<v Speaker 1>all of them. I guess it's recall, not a recall

0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.240
<v Speaker 1>behind the current guys. I've had two hours sleep, So anyway,

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the California Air Resources Board or CARB would then find

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:29.960
<v Speaker 1>some irregularities on supposedly fixed vehicles in two thousand fifteen.

0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 1>These are vehicles that Volkswagen had supposedly recalled and then

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 1>fixed and then put back into the market. But the

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 1>CARB was finding that there were still these irregularities. Then

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 1>the engineers at CARB we're finding that Volkswagen's explanations for

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 1>why those irregularities were happening didn't seem to actually match

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:55.400
<v Speaker 1>up what they were seeing. Then the Environmental Protection Agency

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 1>goes and tells Volkswagen, Hey, you know, we're not gonna

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.280
<v Speaker 1>let you sell any of your twenty six d SILD

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 1>vehicles in the United States. And it was at that

0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 1>point the Volkswagen said, oh, um, are bad. Actually, we

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:08.879
<v Speaker 1>just found out there's some software regularities, and then they

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 1>explained what was going on, and that leads us to

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the actual scandal. So essentially, when the vehicle's computer detected

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 1>that it was going into emissions testing, that someone was

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:24.959
<v Speaker 1>connecting their testing equipment to the vehicle's computer, it would

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 1>then engage systems that would limit emissions. They would also

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:34.319
<v Speaker 1>decrease engine performance. Now, if the cars just operated in

0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:37.399
<v Speaker 1>that mode all the time, we wouldn't be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a scandal. But Volkswagen probably wouldn't have seen as many

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 1>sales because drivers would be disappointed. They would feel like

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:47.240
<v Speaker 1>the cars were not performing very well, they were underpowered,

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:51.400
<v Speaker 1>their performance just wouldn't meet expectations. So in order to

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 1>meet expectations, they needed to have the engines have a

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 1>higher output of power. But if they did the higher

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 1>outpuput of power, you have higher emissions. So if a

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen diesel cars computer detected that it was connected to

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 1>emissions testing, it would initiate this dampening system and you

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:16.720
<v Speaker 1>would have lower emissions and lower output. But then once

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it was detected that it was no longer connected to

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:25.240
<v Speaker 1>an emissions testing machine, it would disengage those dampening systems

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 1>and the car's performance would improve significantly, but it would

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:33.440
<v Speaker 1>also emit way more pollution, including stuff like nitrogen oxide,

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:38.879
<v Speaker 1>and it would be well beyond what was the emissions threshold.

0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 1>So in other words, the cars were cheating on tests.

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<v Speaker 1>When the teacher was looking, and in this case the

0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 1>teacher is someone performing an emissions test, then the vehicle

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:52.600
<v Speaker 1>would pull its punches and purposefully underperform, emitting fewer gases,

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 1>and then once the teacher was looking somewhere else, it

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 1>was party time. Well. The e p A was not

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>amused and concluded the Volkswagen had purposefully tried to circumvent

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<v Speaker 1>the Clean Air Act in the United States, and further

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<v Speaker 1>that the Department of Justice would have the authority to

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<v Speaker 1>impose a total of thirty seven thousand, five hundred dollars

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>of civil finds per vehicle that used this kind of

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:21.280
<v Speaker 1>work around, like as in each individual vehicle. The defeat

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 1>devices were in vehicles spanning model years from two thousand

0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:28.919
<v Speaker 1>nine to two thousand sixteen, so if you added them

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.840
<v Speaker 1>all up, it would mean that Volkswagen could potentially face

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:36.600
<v Speaker 1>a maximum up to eighteen billion dollars in fines alone.

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen then admitted that the same defeat system was in

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:45.359
<v Speaker 1>place in eleven million diesel cars around the world, and

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 1>that Volkswagen had already set aside several billion dollars worth

0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to fix these affected cars. Then came criminal proceedings against

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 1>engineers and executives at Volkswagen, both in the United States

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.760
<v Speaker 1>and in Germany, as well as a scramble to figure

0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 1>out how to buy back vehicles that didn't meet the

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:06.760
<v Speaker 1>emission standards. So in total it would cost Volkswagen around

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 1>thirty billion dollars. That is a princely sum and an

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:18.360
<v Speaker 1>enormously expensive mistake. And mistake in judgment, I should say,

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:21.480
<v Speaker 1>it's not like they accidentally did this. They the engineers

0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 1>that did this did this knowingly, and the costs went

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 1>beyond the monetary Martin went vinder Korn, who was CEO

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 1>when the scandal first broke, would end up accepting responsibility,

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 1>but he also denied that he had had any personal

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 1>wrongdoing involved in this. He said that he had no

0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:43.760
<v Speaker 1>direct hand knowledge and he had no uh direct involvement

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 1>in the decision to try and circumvent clean air laws.

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>But he also said that as CEO, he has to

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:52.360
<v Speaker 1>be held responsible for this sort of thing happening under

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:55.480
<v Speaker 1>his watch. So he resigned his position and he was

0:45:55.520 --> 0:46:00.839
<v Speaker 1>replaced by Matthias Mueller, who pledged to cooperate with investigators

0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:03.040
<v Speaker 1>to get to the bottom of who was responsible, while

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>also making amends to customers who were directly affected by

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:09.760
<v Speaker 1>the scheme. Now, Mueller was previously the CEO of Porsche,

0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:13.600
<v Speaker 1>which also would end up getting pulled into this diesel

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Gate scandal. It wasn't just Volkswagen vehicles. There are also

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 1>some Porsche vehicles and Aldi vehicles that would be involved

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 1>in this. So he would serve as Volkswagen CEO only

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:26.600
<v Speaker 1>until two thousand eighteen, and that was when the Board

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:30.400
<v Speaker 1>of Directors kicked him out, largely because the company as

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 1>a whole had been perceived as moving too slowly to

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 1>address the problems that arose due to Diesel Gate. So

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 1>his replacement was Herbert die who was formerly the brand

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.840
<v Speaker 1>chief over at Volkswagen. So this is becoming like a

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:48.360
<v Speaker 1>revolving door situation with these quick turnarounds and CEOs. Ferdinand

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Psh resigned from the supervisory board of Volkswagen in April

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:57.160
<v Speaker 1>two fifteen. This would be before Martin Vinterkorn was had

0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 1>to resign. Then pH would sell off his shares in

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen in May of two thousand fifteen, essentially divorcing himself

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:11.200
<v Speaker 1>from the company entirely. This predated Martin Vintercorne's resignation as well,

0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:14.200
<v Speaker 1>So in fact Psh was attempting to have Vindercorn actually

0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>removed as CEO, and this is what led to pH

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>to saying he was going to step away from the company.

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 1>He voted to have Vindercorn removed, but he was the

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 1>only member of the steering committee to do so. Uh,

0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:30.480
<v Speaker 1>the others all voted against him, and Wolfgang Porsche, his rival,

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>his cousin, was one of the parties who was, you know,

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:41.040
<v Speaker 1>essentially campaigning against pH. So pH left the company, sold

0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.480
<v Speaker 1>off his interest, and then he threw a whole bunch

0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 1>of executives under the bus as he left. He implied

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:49.560
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people in senior levels of management,

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 1>including all the way up to the executive level, knew

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.720
<v Speaker 1>about and had approved of, the illegal technology that allowed

0:47:56.920 --> 0:48:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen's diesel engines to cheat on emissions tests. Now, whether

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 1>his allegations were true or not was uncertain, But he

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:06.400
<v Speaker 1>dumped a ton of fuel on the fire, and I

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 1>guess it must have been gasoline fuel, because diesel doesn't

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:13.360
<v Speaker 1>burn like gasolene does. Don't try that at home. Pish

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.520
<v Speaker 1>would end up passing away at age eighty two in

0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 1>two thousand nineteen. He left behind twelve or maybe thirteen children.

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:24.920
<v Speaker 1>The numbers aren't entirely clear. There are a lot. There's

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:28.240
<v Speaker 1>a lot of actual disagreement. Um, he was married twice

0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 1>and he had a couple of kids outside of marriage.

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>In fact, one a couple of them were with the

0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 1>estranged wife of his cousin, So he had an affair

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:41.960
<v Speaker 1>with his cousin's wife. Told you this was like game

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>of Thrones, man, I was not kidding. So Volkswagen is

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:49.280
<v Speaker 1>still managing the consequences of diesel Gate. To this day,

0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:53.040
<v Speaker 1>CEO Herbert Diese is at the center of some criminal

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:57.080
<v Speaker 1>charges that state he and other Volkswagen executives were waiting

0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:00.360
<v Speaker 1>too long to inform investors of the extent and nature

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>of the diesel Gate scandal, and that as such they

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.880
<v Speaker 1>were essentially committing fraud. They were telling investors that the

0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:10.280
<v Speaker 1>company was in much better shape than it actually was. Meanwhile,

0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen is trying to move beyond this disaster. It has

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:17.800
<v Speaker 1>announced a plan that by t we're gonna see the

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:21.319
<v Speaker 1>company producing one and a half million electric cars, and

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:23.479
<v Speaker 1>that number actually keeps climbing, so it might be higher

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 1>by the time you hear this episode in Volkswagen also

0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:30.480
<v Speaker 1>produced the final Edition Volkswagen Beetle, which was an updated

0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:34.759
<v Speaker 1>version of the new Beatle, and that that last one,

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the very last final edition Volkswagen Beetle, rolled off the

0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 1>production line in July two th nineteen. So now the

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen Beetle is retired again. But who knows, maybe the

0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:50.320
<v Speaker 1>company is going to bring it back out of retirement

0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.320
<v Speaker 1>one more time in an effort to climb out of

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.919
<v Speaker 1>this massive mess. It finds itself in and that's where

0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen is today. As I said, I found this story

0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:02.360
<v Speaker 1>to be fascinating, not just from a technological standpoint, but

0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:07.440
<v Speaker 1>just from the political, social, corporate side. It's so complicated,

0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's so so closely tied with family feuding.

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea about Volkswagen's involvement with the Porsche family,

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 1>um largely because it's a European company, and my my

0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:27.319
<v Speaker 1>vision of Volkswagen has always been the Volkswagen Beetle. That's

0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:29.839
<v Speaker 1>if you say the word Volkswagen to me, I think

0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:32.760
<v Speaker 1>of the old VW Beetle and this sort of quirky,

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 1>iconic vehicle that's associated with like the hippies and the

0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 1>the Summer of Love and that kind of stuff, and

0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and Disney movies. I don't think of a company that

0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:46.920
<v Speaker 1>was founded, you know, and well or at least funded

0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:52.560
<v Speaker 1>by Nazis and then run by various people who were

0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:57.520
<v Speaker 1>having crazy feuds with each other in power struggles like

0:50:57.640 --> 0:50:59.720
<v Speaker 1>None of that ever occurred to me, And I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that Volkswagen had purchased brands like Lamborghini and Bugatti,

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:09.280
<v Speaker 1>probably because those cars are just a hair outside of

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:14.799
<v Speaker 1>my price range. By a few hundred thousand dollars, but

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.080
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