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Speaker 1: Double G Gimmy's as the kids say, go Bulls. Welcome

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Speaker 1: the last episode, we had your burning questions for this

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Speaker 1: coming season. And again we have not done the full

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Speaker 1: last episode you did SEC, you also did the ACC

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Speaker 2: A bunch of G five conference thoughts.

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Speaker 1: And I am going to start with the G five.

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Speaker 1: If I were underthinking it, I would say he was

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't necessarily think they are the best team,

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Speaker 2: All right, you're ready for a Bonker's Mountain West game

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Speaker 1: My Big Twelve thought, are folks at home with kids

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's going to be a press release that says,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Can the rest of the conference handle you Tah?

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Speaker 2: I sort of disagree with your evaluation of the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a new sport, but Jim, Jim

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Speaker 1: No, you're right, you're right. Yeah, you're right, and that

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Speaker 2: because I think they have been. When you look at

434
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Speaker 2: recent success, they have probably been among or the most

435
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Speaker 2: consistent team among their new peers.

436
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Speaker 1: I think of Utah against Washington from last season and

437
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Speaker 1: how despite the fact that we all felt like Washington

438
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 1: was better, there was still this nagging feeling like Utah

439
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: is going to find a way to make this close.

440
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: Utah is going to find a way to win this game.

441
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Speaker 1: And I remember there's a lot of action on Utah, yeah,

442
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 1: from a betting standpoint, because the betting community felt similarly.

443
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Speaker 1: And I just wonder if there is some element of

444
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Speaker 1: that now as they go into the big twelve, wide

445
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: open offenses typically right, this is a different brand football

446
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: that Kyle Winningham has crafted.

447
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Speaker 2: They're the team backing down in the under six foot league.

448
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: They're the They're the team with the most post moves. Okay,

449
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: they've got they've got the baby hook.

450
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Also, is Avery Johnson half as good as

451
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Speaker 1: you think he is?

452
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Speaker 2: That's a good question. Yeah, is he half as good?

453
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Speaker 2: I've pushed all my chips to the center. All my

454
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 2: Avery Johnson chips are in the middle of the table.

455
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Speaker 1: I look at the schedule. I think they're the better

456
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Speaker 1: team in every game on their slate. Their toughest games

457
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Speaker 1: are Arizona, Oklahoma State, and Kansas, and all three are

458
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Speaker 1: at home. This is not a preview episode. We will

459
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Speaker 1: get much more in the Weeds, I promise you later

460
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Speaker 1: this month. But like it's there for him and if

461
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Speaker 1: he is half as good as as you claim, as

462
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Speaker 1: so many people out there have claimed.

463
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, well, the state of Kansas in general, by

464
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 2: the way quarterback play, well, the state of Kansas in general. Yeah,

465
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: I mean Jalen Daniels. I mean Jalen Daniels. It's exciting,

466
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: exciting times in Kansas. Yeah, I think your right to

467
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: ask it. I just get seduced by ceilings and potential

468
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: and dual threat and natural athlete. Like there is something

469
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: about Avery Johnson and if Jalen Daniels can stay healthy,

470
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: if his back is okay, that I just think to myself, Man,

471
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Speaker 2: the most entertaining version of his year is pretty incredible

472
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Speaker 2: in my eyes.

473
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Speaker 1: Is this the moment for Oklahoma State?

474
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Speaker 2: I think, big picture, it's a good question.

475
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did the Oklahoma State specific show a few

476
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Speaker 1: weeks back. Go listen to that. I thought that was

477
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Speaker 1: really insightful. My question then, is the same as it

478
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Speaker 1: is now, and it's Mike Gundy's been in still Water

479
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: since two thousand and five. He's won exactly one conference championship.

480
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: Is that a gundhy thing or is that the fact

481
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: that Oklahoma has always also been in the Big twelve? Yeah,

482
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: and now they're out of the way. Who knows? We

483
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: should get aig a good answer to this? By the way,

484
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: this season, which of these are very vaguely worded questions

485
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 1: and theoretical and hypothetical and all the qualifiers you want

486
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: to throw at them, This one I think we might

487
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: actually get an answer to because Oklahoma States got a

488
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: lot back this season. There almost are no excuses their

489
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: third in returning production per Bill Connolly's metric, the schedule

490
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: is extremely favorable. If ever there were a year, this

491
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Speaker 1: would be it for Oklahoma State. Yeah. I want to

492
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Speaker 1: see what they do with it. I want to know

493
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Speaker 1: if the Dion plan is actually working. At Colorado. Dion

494
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: brought in forty two transfers, lost forty one of them,

495
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Speaker 1: but brought in forty two a full line change in Boulder.

496
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Speaker 1: Dion is just good at creating hype and as I've

497
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Speaker 1: said on this show time and again, I do feel

498
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Speaker 1: like that is actually part of the plan. Part of

499
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Speaker 1: the plan here is to fake it till you make it,

500
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Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily think that is a bad thing Alorado.

501
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: Given the depths to which that program fell, you got

502
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: to start somewhere, and if you can just kick up

503
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: even artificial hype, that's better than nothing. He has certainly

504
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: gotten people talking about that program. It's just really hard

505
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: to envision a scenario in which you don't recruit on

506
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: the high school level at all, and every year basically

507
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: most of your team is new. It takes a really

508
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: strong leader to get a team to mesh like that,

509
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: whether it's the coach, the assistant coaches, or the players

510
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: on the team. You need to have a really strong

511
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: culture in order to make all of that work. Yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they've got that. I know they're

513
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: good at posting demeaning things on social media about people

514
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Speaker 1: that they don't like anymore. Sure, I don't know if

515
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Speaker 1: what that speaks to from a culture standpoint, all right,

516
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to assume that I know for

517
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Speaker 1: certain until we see it out there. But what I

518
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: don't think is fair. And what I don't want to

519
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: hear from people who hear this is that all you're

520
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: just Colorado haters. You don't get what Dion's doing. You know,

521
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: you don't see the full picture. Maybe I don't, but

522
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: I know what Deon's doing, and I've seen what he

523
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Speaker 1: has done in the press. I've seen what he's done

524
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Speaker 1: on social media. On its face, it does not appear

525
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 1: as if that's a great way to build culture. If

526
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Now they're over unders five and

527
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Speaker 1: a half this year, so Vegas is expecting something of

528
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: an improvement. I hope they get it. Colorado's an interesting story.

529
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Speaker 1: We would love for Colorado to go out there and

530
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: blow the doors off some teams to make this work

531
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Speaker 1: in a new conference, to give us something more to

532
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Speaker 1: talk about. We would have a field day with that.

533
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Speaker 1: Our downloads would be through the roof. I'm skeptical.

534
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's the only question really with Colorado is you know,

535
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Speaker 2: what does it look like if it works? And because

536
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: we already know what it looks like if it doesn't work,

537
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: what it doesn't look like is shaudor Sanders standing up right, yeah,

538
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Speaker 2: And what it doesn't look like it and again, I

539
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: have no problem.

540
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Speaker 1: With trying to break the mold and be completely different,

541
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Speaker 1: and oftentimes that is how you push things forward. Doesn't

542
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: always work the first time you try it, right, But

543
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: I do think what he is attempting to do here

544
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: is something that, if it does work, could totally reshape

545
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: the way we put rosters together. It takes a really

546
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: special leader to be able to cobble together transfer this

547
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: many transfers in an offseason and build a culture and

548
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 1: build something that's sustainable. It's really hard to do.

549
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Speaker 2: Got a nice do you believe now after the TCU

550
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: win and went three and eight right after Yeah, exactly.

551
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Speaker 1: So that's the only question for me With Colorado. Okay,

552
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: how high is too high for UCF. I've got this

553
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: weird kink with the State of Florida teams right now,

554
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: South and Central Florida. Yep, kJ Jefferson is still playing.

555
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: Of course, he is in a gust Malzon system. Now

556
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: they've got a schedule that that I think looks very workable.

557
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: Their toughest conference games are at home. I am probably

558
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: too high on UCF in the nights right now. I

559
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I'm probably too high, but I do

560
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: I do like them a lot this year.

561
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's okay to be seduced. I think

562
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: it's okay to put yourself out there, and I think

563
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: you have with UCF.

564
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Speaker 1: I am not seduced this season by TCU at all. Okay,

565
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: usually I would be by the Horned Frogs. Their win

566
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: total is seven and a half. I don't like this team, Okay,

567
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: I need to dig in more. This is not a preview.

568
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: We've given this qualifier a thousand times now, but there's

569
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: just there's a lot new, especially along the line. There

570
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: isn't a whole lot on this team that scares me.

571
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: My question about TCU is it. I literally wrote this down.

572
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: What is TCU? I don't know what they are. I

573
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: don't know what to expect. It feels like a big

574
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: unknown to me. Depending what you read last season when

575
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: they brought Josh Hoover in, either he was a guy

576
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: that his teammates got behind, that they wanted to give

577
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: the team over to, or he's all those things, but

578
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: he's not good enough to be the starting quarterback around

579
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: which you build a roster. I don't know.

580
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: Just in the Big twelve in general, as I scroll through,

581
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: like the depth of interesting quarterbacks is pretty good. Like

582
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: there's twelve like bare minimum ten to twelve, bare minimum

583
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: like above average quarterbacks or above average ceiling proven interesting

584
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: like like you look across the board. We talked about

585
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: the Kansas guys, Cam Rising, Donovan Smith at Houston Rock Obec,

586
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: like there are enough guys there we'll see with I

587
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: mean obviously Noah Fafida. We haven't even gotten into there's

588
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: enough quarterbacks we'll see at as. It's Sam Levitt. I

589
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: think at ASU, the Michigan State transfer that like, I

590
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: think maybe it's not quite the all Costco conference, but

591
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: I think there is quality in bulk in this conference,

592
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: not just at the top.

593
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the most interesting conference in America. Am I

594
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: it's wide open because it is we have not had

595
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: this scenario before. We're the top two teams in a

596
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: conference leave and that creates a vacuate. It's not a

597
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: Nick Saban vacuum. It's different.

598
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: I mean Oregon in Washington left, but the entire the

599
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: whole conference that doesn't get Yeah, that's true.

600
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Big twelve is still there. They added team. They are

601
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: more teams now than ever, and the top two teams

602
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 1: went elsewhere and that's created this huge power vacuum, and

603
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: so it's really interesting because of that. You know, you

604
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: look at any I challenge you to go out there

605
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: and look at Big twelve schedules. Doesn't matter which team

606
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: is pick, pick four teams to go look at the schedule,

607
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: doesn't matter which four teams. You're gonna look at those schedules.

608
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna have no idea what to think. It's wide open.

609
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: That makes it interesting. I think I agree, And you

610
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: mentioned Arizona. Will there be a step back for Arizona?

611
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: What is Jetfish worth Arizona? Okay, Jetfish went to Washington,

612
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: He's playing in the Big Ten. Now, still weird to say,

613
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: That's my other question about all of this. When will

614
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: it stop feeling weird that these teams have moved conference?

615
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: Probably never right, but is there any kind of step

616
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: back coming for Arizona? Brent Brannan comes in. It was

617
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: a big deal that he was able to retain both

618
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: Noah Fafida and Tedoroa McMillan, Dan, that's how you say

619
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Speaker 1: his name.

620
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: Is good job, good job.

621
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: That was a very big deal getting those two guys.

622
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Speaker 1: What does this new regime look like? I mean, I

623
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: felt like, we were pretty optimistic about Arizona coming into

624
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: last season. The writing was on the wall that things

625
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: were trending up into the right. Felt good about it.

626
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: But now you change regimes, there's been some turnover, like

627
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: what what does this version look like? Now? A lot

628
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: new up front of the defense. Right defense was kind

629
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: of a question a year ago. I like Arizona. I

630
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: really like their talent on offense. I think that's obvious,

631
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: But how again, how they fit into the pecking order

632
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: now of this new conference was very wide open, like

633
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: they could be the best team in the conference, they

634
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: could be middle of the pack. I have no idea.

635
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, my big question with Arizona is more about Brent Brennan.

636
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: If he has the same sort of mentality, the same

637
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 2: sort of aggression, the same sort of killer look that

638
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: I think Jedfish brought in as much as anybody can

639
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: bring it to Arizona with how aggressive Jedfish was on

640
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: the portal and they land t MAC when I think

641
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: Mario christ Ball left for Miami because he was committed

642
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: to Oregon at the time, but he was there right

643
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: he was drafting off of the opportunity truck, and I

644
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: know they had a big blue chip defensive lineman committed

645
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: for a while last year, and that was a local kid.

646
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: But like you could see the aggression in the portal.

647
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: You could see the aggression in the way that they

648
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: called offense and improved every year on defense, that they

649
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: were identifying talent really well. And I just wonder if

650
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: the obviously unorthodox situation with how late Jedfish left in

651
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: the process that they went to their second choice when

652
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: they hired Jedfish and Brent Brennan. I just wonder if

653
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: they had the full allotted calendar to find a new

654
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: head coach, if they'd go in a similar direction, because

655
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: it seems like, you know, Brent Brennan's it seems like

656
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: a pretty good coach and he knows the region. But

657
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: Jed Fish had had some pretty major programs and like

658
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: had that experience, and I just think they're sort of

659
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: cut from different cloths personality wise, And I wonder if

660
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: Brent Brennan can sort of muster what worked for Drinkfish.

661
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: I agree, Uh, is Kalanie Sataki really as good as

662
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: all the blind items indicate. And here's what I mean by.

663
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: That, He's got a good agent.

664
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he really does every publication that I have read

665
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: about BYU and Klanie Sataki for the last couple of seasons,

666
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: sings the praises of this guy, and it's always the same.

667
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: It's always a lot of Yeah, they they've got challenges,

668
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: but Kalanie Sataki's a good coach man. He's got like

669
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna figure it out. They went two and seven

670
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: in conference last year they finished five and seven. Yes,

671
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised, but that you're not surprised with that.

672
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 1: I don't think most people listening to this are all

673
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: that surprised by it. They just joined a power conference

674
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: that was almost to be expected. But again, there are

675
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: no shortages of challenges this season. And by the way,

676
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: they play all the toughest teams in the conference this year. Yeah,

677
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: so kind of a mess last season on offense. The

678
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: quarterback situation very very much up in the air. Again,

679
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: these are all things that I do want to dive

680
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: into more when we do our actual preview of the

681
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: Big twelve and BYU as a whole. But I like

682
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: Kilani Sintaki. I don't necessarily disagree that he is a

683
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: good coach. I think he is. It's just it's not

684
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: lost to me that every publication says exactly the same

685
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: thing about the guy right and how he navigates through

686
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: against what I think is a tough schedule with a

687
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: very obvious problems with the offense and elsewhere. I don't know,

688
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: like I'm losing a little bit of faith.

689
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: There, feel like the saying that we like to use,

690
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 2: you're you know, you're not what you are on your

691
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: best day, You're not what you are on your worst day.

692
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: I think BYU should consistently be a bowl program, but

693
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: in a conference with this high a floor, it seems

694
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: like the BYU differentiator is unclear. He hit his peak

695
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: with what Zach Wilson in the COVID year was that

696
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty that was Zach Wilson's big year, and then

697
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 2: he went twenty twenty one Draft Like the results were

698
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 2: bowl ish before then, especially the further he got away

699
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 2: from Bronco Bronco Mendenhall's time, and there's like this bell

700
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: curve element to his time at BYU. I don't think

701
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: they are going to struggle as much as they did

702
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: last year. I think he will figure certain things out

703
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: that ailed BYU. But I also think, you know, once again,

704
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: what's the differentiator. Is he going to recruit an incredibly

705
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: deep roster of defensive linemen? Is he going to recruit

706
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: speed at receiver? Like, what is it that BYU is

707
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: going to to do? You know, post Jeff Grimes, who

708
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: Baylor hired away? Offensively gigantic question.

709
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: Mark, huge question mark, huge question mark. And hell, look,

710
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said for just building a

711
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: solid team. Sure, as we said in the last episode,

712
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: right you had that question about the SEC. Who's going

713
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: to be that team that just coasts Alon it bau

714
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: just coast Salon. That'd be okay, Right, That's a good

715
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: starting point, but getting there, I'm I'm not sure I

716
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: see it, especially against the schedule, which looks kind of

717
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: tough to me. Yeah, final question for me in the

718
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: Big twelve is about Baylor, and it is how Dave A.

719
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Randa and this coaching staff looks with the proverbial guillotine

720
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: hanging over them.

721
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: My picture of my image with Baylor football right now

722
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: is you know that this is your world tie. I

723
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: don't know what course it is in the what's it

724
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: called the Open? It's not the British Open, It's just

725
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 2: called the Open. When you see those bunkers where there's

726
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: just a wall between the sand and the hole. You're like,

727
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I have to hit a ninety degree sand

728
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 2: wedge to get all the green. Yeah, that's what Baylor

729
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: has looking at it right now, the mouth of that

730
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: bunker wall.

731
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a little bit more involved in the

732
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: defense this season, which I think is good. They need

733
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: they need that. That is obviously his his pedigree, but

734
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: it is generally not a great formula when you go

735
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: into a season with that kind of pressure to win

736
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: or else. And I feel like we've kind of gone

737
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: through the cycle a few times now with with David Rana,

738
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: who we both like and think is like a thoughtful

739
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: guy who goes at the game a little bit differently.

740
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: But it's not like bubbling with enthusiasm. He's a little

741
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 1: bit more measured and understated. And I'm just I don't

742
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: know if that's gonna wear itself thin this season. Baylor

743
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: needs some pop, maybe to Kwan Finn, who I joke

744
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: with you I have forgotten is that Baylor at least

745
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: seventeen times its officer. Yeah, maybe maybe a guy like

746
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: that will give them pop at quarterback and maybe in

747
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: tandem with the defense that is hopefully better now with

748
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: the Randa having more of his fingerprints on it. Maybe

749
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: that will help elevate this team and you know, at

750
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: least present something of a roadmap moving forward. I texted

751
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: our friend Peter Pope to ask him his thoughts on Pope,

752
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: his thoughts on Baylor this coming season. I said, where

753
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: is your level of optimism this season? He said, somewhere

754
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: between low and moderate. So take that for whatever it's worth.

755
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, coaches have turned around aircraft carriers before, but

756
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: typically when dufuses like you and I are shoveling dirt

757
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: on somebody for a long time. Typically speaking, it's not

758
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: that we're patting ourselves on the back, but it's tough,

759
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: especially now, to turn things around given where the trends

760
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: seem to be lying and given limited reasons to think

761
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: that there can be change. Whether it's a locker room tuning,

762
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: a coach out, whether it's a lack of understanding of recruiting,

763
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: a lack of development, a lack of insight on coaching hires,

764
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: whatever that. Typically speaking, these things have a shelf life.

765
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: Is there anything I missed on the Big twelve front?

766
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: We still have the Big Ten. We're saving the best

767
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: for last year. Yeah, obviously, I've got a ton of

768
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: questions about the Big Ten.

769
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

770
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: Is there anything on the Big twelve front that is

771
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: stewing around in the back of your mind that we

772
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: need to give a voice too?

773
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, how many vacation homes is lance Leipold

774
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: going to buy with all of the interest around him.

775
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: I mean we sort of skipped Kansas there.

776
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't do every team like you. I know

777
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: you didn't do everything full completest, but that's okay.

778
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's my question with Kansas. It's just like

779
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: Lance Leipold is somewhere for a long time. For the

780
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: first time in some time, this is going to be

781
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: fascinating with him and continued Kansas experiment as the conference

782
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: probably becomes more wide open. Not that he wasn't able

783
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: to be you know, Texas and Oklahoma, he was in

784
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: position to do so a bunch of times. But what

785
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: does it look like when he is like he and

786
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: Kansas are an understood, strong team. Yeah, that's interesting to me.

787
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: It's very interesting how quickly Kansas went from laughing stock

788
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: to as you said, understood strong team. Yeah, which they

789
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: are they very much are yeah this season, And perhaps

790
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: that's on me for not having a Kansas specific question.

791
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: No, that's fine.

792
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: We will obviously be talking a lot of Kansas when

793
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: we get into our Big Twelve preview. But the fact

794
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: that they are like not the laughing stock. The fact

795
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: that now we assume as they're probably one of the

796
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: top teams in the conference. What a journey or a

797
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: ride that's been for Lance white Bold for sure.

798
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: It's not just an incredible ride, But like, look at

799
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve as a whole. And I sort of

800
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: said this with quarterbacks, like does any team truly count?

801
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: Like I think because of Colorado's offense, they don't. I

802
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: think because of Kline Sataki's at least track record. I

803
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: think because of David Randa's track record. I think Cincinnati

804
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: that the conversation I suppose could be had. But like,

805
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, Maybe it's a portal thing, Maybe it's

806
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: a coaching turnover thing that we're giving coaches the benefit

807
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 2: of the doubt, But do any of these programs count

808
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: as like borderline laughing stock? Like you have to look

809
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: at Baylor and say, yes, it has been trending disastrously recently,

810
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: but they won the conference not till like a super

811
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: long time ago. So like that to me is fascinating

812
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: that I think, and maybe that's one of the underspoken

813
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: about things in the Portal era, that like you can

814
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: do a decent enough job plugging holes on your roster,

815
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: that even if you're four and eight, even if you're

816
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: three and nine, you're not losing every game fifty one

817
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 2: to three, like you're not completely incompetent. Like the floor

818
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: can be raised considerably. And I think the Big twelve is,

819
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: and you've mentioned this. I think it's a good example of.

820
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: That final conference here, Dan, let's talk some Big ten.

821
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: All right, our conference, our conference now that I'm officially

822
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: as of July. First, a Big ten alumnus.

823
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: You are a Big ten alumnus, as am I. You

824
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: mentioned on the last episode the travel graphics. I want

825
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: to know if there's going to be any weird travel

826
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: upsets as part of B o'clock. Yeah, yeah, as part

827
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: of the Big Tens new setup where you've got teams

828
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: flying across the country and a few that I pulled

829
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: out here, I got seven examples. There are others that

830
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: I could have cited. Nice Iowa going to Ucla, Michigan

831
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: going to Washington, Oregon going to Michigan, usc traveling all

832
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: the way across the country to Maryland, Ucla at Rutgers,

833
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: Washington at Rutgers. Rutgers is a very interesting travel upset

834
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: team close.

835
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 2: To an airport, it's not crazy, but yeah.

836
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: It's not crazy to get to it once you're on

837
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: the ground. But if you're UCLA or Washington flying across

838
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: the country, that's a long journey. Will there be a

839
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: body clock situation? I'm curious to see, if only because

840
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: it was so big a part of the logistical conversation

841
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: we had with Big ten expansion. If we've got weird

842
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: travel stories that pop up, like obviously you're going to

843
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: have the graphic that you mentioned last episode, we will

844
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: definitely have a graphic like that. We will there be

845
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: any upsets, We'll go a step further.

846
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at the schedule matrix right now, and

847
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm looking at teams that have consecutive the West Coast

848
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: teams especially or if anybody has consecutive West Coast journeys.

849
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: Washington has Iowa, then a bye week, and then Indiana.

850
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 2: So that's kind of odd. I suppose I mean the

851
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: thing to factor in.

852
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: I think, for really any of the West Coast schools,

853
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: for all of the road games, almost without exception, there

854
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: are no close road games unless you're a USC and

855
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: UCLA playing, unless you're Oregon in Washington playing, which is

856
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: pretty close. Yeah, pretty much every other road game is

857
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: a pretty good jaunt away.

858
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: You mean for everybody in the conference.

859
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about for those teams in particular. Oh yeah, yeah,

860
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: of course, there are no close road games outside of

861
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: one or two matchups a year, and so I'm curious

862
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: to see if we get any kind of you know,

863
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: weird travel upsets, as I referred to it here. I

864
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: think it's possible.

865
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: I think that was the only one I saw in

866
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 2: terms of consecutive long travel road trips from the West

867
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: Coast or to the West Coast. But eventually it will happen. Absolutely.

868
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: How will Dan and Tie handle a situation in which

869
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: QB one for the defending national champion has a last

870
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: name of Orgy? Oh? Poorly.

871
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, We're gonna handle it poorly.

872
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: We're now in our fifth decade of life. I don't

873
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: think we've ever matured to the point where we can

874
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: handle this.

875
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: Dan, No, look, the worst possible thing that could happen

876
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: for us, uh with our Arius sophomore humor is that

877
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 2: he's he's okay, right. If he's terrible, yeah, terrible orgy.

878
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: If he's incredible, wow, awe inspiring orgy.

879
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: Best orgy ever.

880
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're not above this. We're no near, not

881
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: nearly above this. So yeah, the worst thing that could

882
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: happen to us is, uh, he's fine. He's the sixth

883
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: best quarterback in the Big ten.

884
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: US US maturing to the point where we can handle

885
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: this with professionalism is probably not in the cards. But

886
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: we do our best here for a Michigan brethren to.

887
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: The Orgy family orgy, Yeah, the orgy family sounds weird.

888
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The real question with Michigan is Charon Moore, Like,

889
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot new at Michigan. They're not so much

890
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: in terms of the players. It did lose players, of course,

891
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: they lost players. But it's a coach thing. It's a

892
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: Sharon mor thing.

893
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: No, Sharon Moore, can we get it? I'm almost positive

894
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: it's Sharon. Is it Sharon or Sharon?

895
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: I believe it's Sharon?

896
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: Okay, because you your tamac thing has me.

897
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: I don't have a great track record. If you want

898
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: to fact check me, you can go okay that. I

899
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: believe coach Moore will hit the ground running. I believe

900
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: he already has the experience he needs to keep this

901
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: team running at a high level. But it's more a

902
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: question of A, you're following up a national championship where

903
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: a lot walked out the door, and b Now you're

904
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: in charge of the program that Jim Harball was previously

905
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: in charge of, and how do you kind of take

906
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: it in your direction without upsetting the balance of what

907
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: took Carball like a decade to get in place. You know, Like,

908
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: I think these are bigger picture questions for Michigan. Surely,

909
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: if they take a step back in year one with

910
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: a new coach, we see that all the time. That's

911
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: not even an indication of a program that is in

912
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: poor health. But what he does beyond this season, I

913
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: think is going to be more of the lingering question

914
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: for that program. They still recruited very well, Like there's

915
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: we don't see any of these signs initially that things

916
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: are coming off the rails or anything like that. They

917
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: just won the national championship, but I do think it's

918
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: fair to wonder about that stuff. Now as we turn

919
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: the page on Jim Harbaugh and JJ McCarthy and Blake Korum, Right,

920
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's a lot new here, and it's

921
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: it's not a given that this is going to be

922
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: slam dunk, a great hire, a great move. Michigan's just

923
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: going to continue on as normal.

924
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just curious to see Charon Charon whatever. I'm

925
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: curious sly what his fingerprints are now that it's his,

926
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 2: he absolutely has to say, Okay, what we did obviously

927
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: last year was damn near perfect. But now that I

928
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: have this roster with these new assistants, with like Wink

929
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: Martindale coming over, Like my question is just like, oh,

930
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: that's an interesting new wrinkle for Michigan. I don't know

931
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: if it's successful, unsuccessful whatever, Like interested when he is

932
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: the full time guy, what his like new priorities are

933
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: in terms of what this team looks like.

934
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: Per the two thousand and seven Oklahoma Sooners pronunciation guy,

935
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: it's Sharon Charon, Charon.

936
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I kept hearing Charon on broadcasts and stuff, and

937
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: so I Ari.

938
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: Wasserman is the only one who I've heard say Charon, But.

939
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 2: Well, we need some sort of ruling from anybody posts

940
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, Oklahoma. If it has maintained, he

941
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: could change it.

942
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: He could he could do a full Monty Monte ball thing.

943
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

944
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: Uh Is Drew Aller actually the most disrespected quarterback in

945
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: college football? Or nah? Man?

946
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a it's a hell of a question. Yeah.

947
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: Did you see this posting from Pro Football Focus a

948
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago?

949
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: I did not.

950
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: Somebody over at PFF wrote a thing about Drew Aller

951
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: and I almost made a video about it. I felt

952
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: very conflicted, so I didn't. I didn't. I didn't know

953
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: how I felt about it. I still don't, which is

954
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: why I'm asking this question. But the gist of that

955
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: piece was, Hey, everyone's dumping on Drew Aller. But Drew

956
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: Aller had a really good season last year, was really

957
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: efficient with the football. He was not as good or

958
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: as electric maybe as the hype would have led you

959
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: to believe, but by and large, is a pretty good quarterback,

960
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: and now coming into this new season with the new

961
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: coordinator with there's a lot to like about him, which

962
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: I agree with. I don't know if he's being disrespected

963
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: or if he was just over hyped. Right, or if

964
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: it was a bad Mike yoursitch system, or if he

965
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: didn't have receivers of throw to that made the whole

966
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: thing worse. I don't know if we can actually answer

967
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: this question or not. If we get through this season

968
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: and Drew Aller is the truth as was sort of

969
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: expected when he came into Penn State as a five star,

970
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: then the answer to that is definitively. Yes, he was disrespected,

971
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: and you know there were reasons for that. But we

972
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: will know the answer to that if in fact, Drew

973
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: Hour goes out there and blows the doors off of things.

974
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: It's year.

975
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: Look, every quarterback, to me is going to be looked

976
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: at in the context of expectations of recruiting, rankings of

977
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: size of school, expectations of school, perceived improvement over the

978
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: last guy because of physical abilities. It's no different for

979
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: how people evaluate Drew Aller when the best thing you

980
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: can say about a quarterback is what he didn't do,

981
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: which is throw interceptions, turn the ball over. Look, the

982
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: sport is littered with guys who went from being okay

983
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: to having incredible seasons. You know, maybe the most notable

984
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: in the same state, in the state of PA, with

985
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett a few years ago. Right, he goes from

986
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: being he's a guy to Heisman caliber, and dud did

987
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: it quickly, and well, not so quickly he was there forever,

988
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: but did it eventually. And so I'm very much of

989
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: the mind that like progress isn't linear. We saw with

990
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow explode from promising but not incredible in his

991
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: first year at LSU to one of the all time

992
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 2: greats of the sport. Julie is going to have those

993
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: expectations because of the geography, because of the school, because

994
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: of his obvious physical talents, based on what he didn't

995
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: show that first year. And again, you can blame all

996
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: you want to blame, and it's all reasonable, the context

997
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: is all correct. But like, he might just be a guy,

998
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: and it might just he might be one of those

999
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: guys that, like, we'll have another similar season this year.

1000
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: Go somewhere else, go play for ole Miss and explode, Like,

1001
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: go play for a better offensive system and a better

1002
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 2: offensive mind, and it's a better fit. And he's away

1003
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: from the expectations. And let's loose happen with what bo

1004
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: Nick's at Oregon. Right, he came in with like the

1005
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 2: five star expectations with even more given his legacy status

1006
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: at Auburn, and found that better fit and exploded. I

1007
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: think Drewyler might be that, and I also might think

1008
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: he could grow substantially this year. I don't. I think

1009
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: this is sort of misremembering what he looked like last year,

1010
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: which was to me not much to be like crazy

1011
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: excited about.

1012
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: In the moment. Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

1013
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: One of the bigger picture questions, if we want to

1014
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: zoom out on this a little bit, there's a lot

1015
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: of new at quarterback in the Big ten.

1016
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a lot of.

1017
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: New at quarterback. Remember we had this conversation similarly last

1018
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: year about the SEC. We thought that made the SEC interesting.

1019
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: But take a look at the stand at your Standings

1020
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: page on ESPN and count off the number of new

1021
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks or at least teams with quarterback questions, and it's like,

1022
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: eighty five percent of these teams haven't, yeah, have real

1023
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: questions at quarterback.

1024
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: And they're all twenty five Yeah, that's across the sport,

1025
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: across the conference. Excuse me. They've all been at their

1026
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 2: school or at or as a college football you know,

1027
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: their status as a college football quarterback is like weathered,

1028
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: like a great old notebook. They this is between Dylan

1029
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: Gabriel and Will Rogers. Alex Orgy is not old. Tyler

1030
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: van Dijk TVD has now felt like he's been around

1031
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: forever and ever. Curtis Rourke, Curtis Rourke has been a

1032
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: college football quarterback forever. Yeah, Hudson card has been a

1033
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: college football quarterback forever.

1034
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: So it's just there's questions abound.

1035
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 2: Will Howard has been a college with Howard. Yeah, yeah about.

1036
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: It's kind of the COVID year thing too. It is

1037
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: that we've never had a more familiar group of players

1038
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: in the sport.

1039
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: To me, no, no, no, How will the Big Ten

1040
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: West deal with the loss of the Big Ten West?

1041
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah that's tough, sorry, guys.

1042
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: No divisions this year? No divisions to that end. Am

1043
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: I sleeping on Minnesota? Hear me out? Okay, Flora's yours

1044
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: nineteenth in returning production, which is third best in the conference.

1045
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: The schedule does have some heavy hitters on it, but

1046
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 1: the home road splits aren't bad. Max Brosmer, the aforementioned

1047
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: transfer quarterback from New Hampshire, looks like he's the new quarterback.

1048
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: He's got more experience as a starter than they've had

1049
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: in a while, certainly with Athan Kelly ac Manus, but

1050
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: he's a different kind of quarterback. I just wonder if that,

1051
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: like what that new philosophy on offense means practically speaking. Okay,

1052
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: but again pre preview, I will talk more about this.

1053
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: I have promised our fine Minnesota listeners that I will

1054
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: put my all into Golden Gophers coverage in the preseason

1055
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: this year.

1056
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: You kind of have only one direction to go offensively

1057
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: if you're Minnesota from last year, winning games scoring twelve

1058
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 2: thirteen points, losing games scoring ten thirteen points.

1059
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: Not good enough. You got to get better.

1060
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: It's losing to teams like I think they lost what

1061
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: Illinois and Northwestern last year. They're like, I don't have

1062
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 2: their schedule in front of me in this moment, but

1063
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: you can only grow from the depths that they fell

1064
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: to last year. It did beat Iowa, which is good,

1065
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: but how many points did they score at that points

1066
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 2: twelve years? Yeah?

1067
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: Is Miller Moss good enough?

1068
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: I like this question. I think Miller Moss if he

1069
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: were the quarterback two years ago for USC, there might

1070
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: be something there. But with I don't have the exact

1071
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 2: numbers on the line and the receivering roster. There's promising

1072
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 2: dudes at receiver. But man, I don't know. I think

1073
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 2: he's fine. I think Minnesota would love to have Miller Moss.

1074
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: I think most teams in the Big Time would love

1075
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: to have Miller Moss. Honestly, I think.

1076
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: Miller Moss is probably very good. Okay, I don't know

1077
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: if he fits the mold of previous Lincoln Riley quarterbacks

1078
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: that we've come to know.

1079
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: He doesn't doesn't.

1080
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who are top ten caliber NFL draft picks? Right?

1081
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: He's not Kyler Murray. He's certainly not Caleb Williams. Is

1082
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: he good enough to run that offense? Yeah? And maybe, frankly,

1083
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: maybe they need somebody who isn't a headliner a quarterback

1084
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: to promote more balance elsewhere on that offense and across

1085
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: the team. You know, maybe they relied too much on

1086
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. This is very backwards logic, mind you. Yeah,

1087
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: but is Miller Moss good enough? What will Miller Moss

1088
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: look like in these high leverage moments? So I'm gonna

1089
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: bowl game six touchdowns against Louis though that was great.

1090
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: Seems to be a usc kid through and through? Yeah,

1091
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: is he good enough? I don't know.

1092
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: I would I would zoom out even more about USC

1093
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: right now in terms of like what is USC?

1094
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: Like my TCU question from a few minutes back, what

1095
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: is USC? I? You know, I didn't quite know how

1096
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: to articulate this, and I thought maybe it was just

1097
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: me being reactive and not being with the times, Like

1098
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: are there weird vibes around this program right now?

1099
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1100
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: Where Lincoln Riley's always in the news for kind of

1101
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: like the wrong reasons. The latest was he's trying to

1102
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: run away from some of these pre scheduled matchups. You know,

1103
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: we had the weird media circumstance with him last year

1104
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: kicking somebody out or what suspending somebody. I forget what

1105
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: exactly happened there. It just it just feels like this

1106
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: added pressure that we've seen at USC has not mixed

1107
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: too well with Lincoln Riley and now with losing a

1108
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: generational quarterback in Caleb Williams, and after two years of

1109
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: basically not playing defense, Like I I, I don't know

1110
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: what this team is.

1111
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it seems good players don't want to

1112
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: play for USC. And if that's the situation, I don't

1113
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: know how you turn it around if it's an nil thing,

1114
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: if it's a Lincoln Riley thing, if it's an assistant

1115
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: coach thing, which they just overhauled, like if good players

1116
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: other than Bear Alexander, Like they've had decent players in

1117
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: this program, even on defense under Lincoln Riley, but on

1118
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: the high school ranks, they're getting pantsed on the recruiting trail.

1119
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: Like the guys they're ringing in the portal. Some of

1120
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: them are fine, but the results aren't there. I if

1121
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: you're going seven and five, seven and six whatever with

1122
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: Kayla Williams, what is USC under Lincoln Riley? Is there

1123
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: any reason to believe it's any going to be any

1124
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: different than sort of what we've already seen. If and

1125
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: they had what they had, like three or four players

1126
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: commit from State of Georgia, they definitely have a quarterback

1127
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: of the future committed as of this recording, But those

1128
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:58,479
Speaker 2: players have already decommitted, those blue chip defensive linemen. So

1129
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: I think we just are seeing what us he.

1130
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: Is A couple more very quickly. Yeah, is there a

1131
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: weird iphis situation for Northwestern in that home field advantage?

1132
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: Yes, of course there is.

1133
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: And their portable stadium. Yes, how high is too high

1134
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: for Rutgers. They've got a lot back. Speaking of teams

1135
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: that are kind of built differently, Rutgers kind of built differently.

1136
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: Maybe at the eighth and caliac Manus he's going to

1137
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: be their quarterback now he transferred out of Minnesota. He's

1138
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: going to be the guy at Rutgers now that Gavin

1139
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: Wimsat has also transferred. He went to Kentucky. I kind

1140
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: of like this Rutgers team, like the fact that they

1141
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: want to run the ball down your throat. I think

1142
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: they're built in a very specific way. I think they'll

1143
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: catch somebody this year. I just don't know who. That'll

1144
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: be some interesting travel matchups.

1145
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: Can't wait to watch Northwestern for both obvious and un

1146
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: obvious reasons. I think their offense should be decent, their

1147
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: defense will see and their home field advantage as you

1148
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: refer to beautiful ten feet from Lake Michigan, like it

1149
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: was windy and really difficult to play at Ryan Fields

1150
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: at times. Every year you remember the CJ. Stroud heere

1151
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: this is on the lake. I don't know what kind

1152
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: of barrier they're gonna try. It's not gonna help. It's

1153
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: on the lake.

1154
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: Unless they're building one hundred foot wall, there's no way

1155
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: they can block the wind.

1156
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: And even if look, you haven't mentioned Iowa yet in

1157
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: terms of question that last one, yeah, yeah, yeah, Even

1158
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: if Iowa's offense is capable enough to the point where

1159
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: we're not having that conversation of like, what number is

1160
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 2: is too far for an under in an Iowa game,

1161
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: we might have that conversation with Northwestern games because of

1162
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: the weather factor, what number under is just too comically

1163
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: low to pass up? And then you like see the

1164
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 2: late October forecast in Evanston and you're like, man, I

1165
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: don't even understand this icon in my weather app like

1166
00:59:54,080 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: it's wintery sludge, It's fast moving wintery sludge. Is is

1167
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: in the forecast? Like that's what we're going to have

1168
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: at times with this stadium's location.

1169
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: Final question for me is an Iowa question, and it

1170
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: is whether or not twenty twenty four is going to

1171
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: force Kirk Ferrans into retirement. I feel like we're at

1172
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: that point. I know he's royalty in the state. I

1173
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: know every time we bring this up it is met

1174
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: with mixed reviews. We've got Iowa people who say, well,

1175
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: more do you want from the guy he's won for

1176
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,479
Speaker 1: However many years now, he's been very successful. The program

1177
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: has been built in his image. We all love him,

1178
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: we love what he stands for. There are plenty of

1179
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: other folks who are on the exact opposite side of

1180
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: the spectrum, who are we're ready for Kirk Farns to

1181
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: leave ten years ago. Yeah, how you receive this question

1182
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: probably speaks volumes about which side of the fence you're

1183
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: on here. But how to fire his kid? Not easy?

1184
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: Brings in a new coordinator who I think we're generally

1185
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: out tomistic about Tim Lester. But the success of the

1186
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: offense this season and bigger picture, Iowa's ability to now

1187
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: compete and contend in a divisionless Big ten. That's going

1188
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: to give us clarity on or Kirk ference's like if

1189
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: they try to switch the offense up and Cade McNamara

1190
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: is healthy and they still play defense at a high level,

1191
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: which we have come to assume is fact at this point. Yeah,

1192
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: if they can't get that offense rebooted in a way

1193
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: that it seems as if things are trending in a

1194
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: better direction, I just wonder if that pressure will be

1195
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: too great for him to survive another offseason.

1196
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: You're not wrong, Uh. I think he's sick of it.

1197
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: I think he'd like he's sick of the questions, He's

1198
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: sick of the ongoing narrative, he's sick of the jokes,

1199
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: and no matter what he says in a press conference

1200
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: about like, you know, we won this many games, it's

1201
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: pretty good. Right of teams would love to win this

1202
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: many games. Like, I don't think his existence is super

1203
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 2: fun as it stands now, And so maybe it will

1204
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 2: be with Tim Lester and this new offense and maybe

1205
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: some more offensive health and offensive creativity and more red

1206
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: zone activity. See is it positive.

1207
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: That the thing is it's probably a bad assumption that

1208
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: getting rid of Kirk Ferrence and replacing him with somebody

1209
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: else will yield the same amount of success, because this

1210
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: program has been successful right over the years. They've been very,

1211
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: very steady, and they've had a glaring hole at offense,

1212
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: but by and large, this program has been good. They've

1213
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: found a way to do more with less. So we

1214
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: can't assume that just because there's somebody new, they would

1215
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: get back to the same levels as Kirk ference. He

1216
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: just there's a reason he's been there forever But that

1217
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: being said, I don't see how this current state of

1218
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: the offense hasn't warned people thin you know, there is

1219
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: an element of this that reminds me a little bit

1220
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: of the Joe paternal stuff. Separate from the scandal, I'm

1221
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: not talking about that, but towards the end, JOPA was

1222
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: running forty three power up the middle and driving people insane.

1223
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: Everybody was ready for a change. I can't imagine that

1224
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: there isn't a large contingent of folks in the Iowa

1225
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: community and the fan base that just feels like they

1226
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: need to get this over with already. Enough is enough.

1227
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: We've seen this, we know what play is coming. If

1228
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: they can't introduce any kind of wrinkle or give the

1229
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: offense any kind of spark this season, I would expect

1230
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: that those cries will grow a lot louder for Kirk

1231
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 1: Farnce and for the new athletic director who just took

1232
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: over full time earlier this year to make a change,

1233
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: to try and inject some sort of enthusiasm into this program,

1234
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: because it is a very solid program. They have the

1235
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: infrastructure in place, and there's no reason Iowa couldn't contend

1236
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: on a year in a year out basis, they're doing

1237
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: it now without an offense, so they could find some

1238
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: way to kind of, you know, tap more into the

1239
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: present of things. I think they'll be all right. It's

1240
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: just getting over this Farens hump here.

1241
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 2: I mean, here's the other The subtext of this is

1242
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: that when you ask a question like this, the question,

1243
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 2: the sub question or whatever is Kirk Farns bigger than

1244
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 2: Iowa football. He's not the only coach to have won

1245
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: in Iowa City now, just like Barry Alvarez is not

1246
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: the only coach to have won in Madison. Like all

1247
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 2: these guys, all these legends, are not the only guys

1248
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: who won first or subsequently. And so saying like, you know,

1249
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 2: Kirk Ferens has won a bunch of games here, and

1250
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 2: he's won in a bunch of unorthodox, challenging ways, also

1251
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: suggests that he's the only one who can win there.

1252
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: And I don't believe that to be the case. As

1253
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: you stated at the end of your thing, like the

1254
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 2: infrastructure is there. This program has a very good reputation

1255
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 2: among players who play a number of different positions, especially

1256
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: along the lines, especially tight ends. Like it's a program

1257
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 2: where players go to to succeed and he's been there forever.

1258
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: He has been the constant there. But I don't think

1259
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: any coach is bigger than a program.

1260
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: Well, they shouldn't be, or shouldn't be, right, shouldn't be

1261
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: if you're doing it right, they shouldn't be. That, unfortunately,

1262
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: is not the culture of sports more often than not. Right,

1263
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: of course, it should not be the coach as the king, right.

1264
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: And I think there's just a shelf life. I think

1265
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: there is just an amount of time now if Tim

1266
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: Lester is the guy, and it's a great hire and

1267
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: it's a shrewd hire, and Kirk Ferrence shows an ability

1268
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: to adjust and is not constantly bemoaning all of the

1269
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 1: things that have annoyed him about offensive line rules since

1270
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen or forever, keep him forever. Fine, if it works,

1271
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: keep him forever, that'd be the best case scenario. That'd

1272
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: be the absolute best case scenario. But I'm just I'm skeptical,

1273
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, and rightfully so I think everybody should be skeptical.

1274
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, that is.

1275
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: All I have in the Big ten. That is all

1276
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: I have.

1277
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 2: Nothing Oregon, man, well, Oregon, it's like nothing. Ohio State, No,

1278
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 2: Ohio State, questions.

1279
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: I do have one more question.

1280
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 2: What about Chip? Kelly? What is Chip? Do you have.

1281
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: One more question? Yeah, it is about Oregon.

1282
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: How annoying will Dan be if Oregon's excellent this year?

1283
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 2: The answer is very as usual.

1284
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: This is a good way to close out this episode.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right?

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Speaker 1: And it is a specific question for both Oregon and

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. And the question is does more equal more?

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Speaker 1: Because we have seen both of these programs go crazy

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Speaker 1: on the recruiting trails, on the transfer portal side of

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Speaker 1: things to beef up their rosters. Ryan Day feels like

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Speaker 1: he is amped up to a thousand trying to build

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Speaker 1: up this roster as best he can. They retained a

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Speaker 1: lot of talent from a year ago, did not lose

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Speaker 1: many of their key contributors from a year ago, brought

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Speaker 1: in Caleb Downs, only lost Marvin Harrison Junior, and obviously

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Speaker 1: Kyle McCord went elsewhere. But you know, by and large,

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Speaker 1: just this program has added so much talent we're kind

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Speaker 1: of writing them in almost with pen for the playoff already,

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Speaker 1: barring a catastrophe, they have to be in that field.

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Speaker 1: And Oregon is in a similar spot, if not a

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Speaker 1: better spot, I mean with what they've done just on

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Speaker 1: the defensive line, it's incredible. And so I just wonder

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Speaker 1: if all of these off season and sometimes in season

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Speaker 1: initiatives to add talent is going to actually get them

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Speaker 1: over the proverbial hump, if that is actually going to

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Speaker 1: make these teams better, or if we're going to find

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Speaker 1: ourselves in a similar conversation the end of the season

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Speaker 1: with Michigan playing Ohio State, same old song and dance,

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Speaker 1: if we're going to find Dan Lanning in a key

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Speaker 1: situation and he makes a bonehead decision puts his team

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Speaker 1: behind the eight ball, and then they don't end up

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Speaker 1: playing for a conference or playing in a big game

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Speaker 1: or something like that. Like both of these teams figure

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Speaker 1: to be in the playoff. But I just wonder if

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Speaker 1: all of this energy towards making the roster better is

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Speaker 1: actually going to make the team better.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's that coupled with easier humps that Jim Harbaugh

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Speaker 2: and Kaylin de Borr leave Ohio State and Oregon's respective schedules.

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Speaker 2: So it is not the fact that.

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Speaker 1: It definitely not in a vacuum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think I think all that is right.

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Speaker 1: It's not an unfair question though it's not an unfair question.

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Speaker 1: We have seen this before. We've seen this before where

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Speaker 1: teams go out there and they assemble incredible talent. Texas

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Speaker 1: A and M just did it with Jimbo, unproven talent

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Speaker 1: on that level. Though it's different when it's bringing in

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Speaker 1: portal guys. It's not the same thing, but it's not

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Speaker 1: entirely different. And I'm just curious to say. I hope,

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Speaker 1: for each of their sakes, it does make the team

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Speaker 1: actually better. It does show some kind of improvement that

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Speaker 1: fans can hang their hat on. But you know, we

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Speaker 1: can't assume as much.

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Speaker 2: Well I'm not. I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: what you're you're asking if bringing in or retaining good

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Speaker 2: players is a good thing.

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Speaker 1: No, what I'm saying is we hear the names that

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Speaker 1: both of these programs are bringing in, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's very easy to assume that, oh, the team will

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Speaker 1: be better. Team's going to be better because the talent

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Speaker 1: on hand is better. They're deeper, they're stronger, they're for

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Speaker 1: the playoff. That doesn't always happen though, right, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: always happen.

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Speaker 2: And the coaches that you're talking about Ryan Dan and

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Speaker 2: Dan Lanning have certain like great record except for reputations.

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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel, you can go back to the beginning part

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Speaker 1: of this year. I sai, Dylan Gabriel is going to

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Speaker 1: be the best quarterback in college football this year. It's

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Speaker 1: the best situation maybe of anyone in college football. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: So I understand why they would go and get Dylan Gabriel.

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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel gets hurt, what happens next Dylan Gabriel, you know,

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Speaker 1: doesn't mesh with the offense? I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 1: all these things can happen. There are a million possibilities.

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't work with Dylan Gabriel, then suddenly maybe

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Speaker 1: Oregon isn't as exciting as a as we thought. So

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Speaker 1: that just we can't assume that more talent equals a

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Speaker 1: better team.

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Speaker 2: I guess. But poor Oregon. If Dylan Gabriel gets hurt,

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Speaker 2: they have Dante More, a five star from a year

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Speaker 2: and a half ago, coming back to Eugene.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of talent. It's a bit of

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Speaker 1: a stretch. Yes, all right, there's more equal more so

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Speaker 1: I got yeah, Dante More, that's what it equals. That's

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Speaker 1: those are worthwhile questions about the Big ten, Big twelve.

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Speaker 1: We had a bunch of G five stuff. This hopefully

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Speaker 1: sets the table for our like deeper team and conference

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Speaker 1: previews in the weeks to come. Again, I will echo

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Speaker 1: what we said at the beginning of this two parter.

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Speaker 1: Nobody preased like the Oliver Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 2: Happy July fourth, Hey to you as well. What are

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Speaker 2: your plans?

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna hang out with some friends here

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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Nothing thrilling, Yeah, probably some fireworks, not a big Fireworksku,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna hold the dog.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the dog is gonna lose your mind. Okay, are

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Speaker 1: you grilling? Is somebody else grilling? I haven't decided yet.

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Speaker 1: We were invited a few places, so sag much. If

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Speaker 1: somebody else wants to do the grilling, I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam, We're going over to some friend's house. I

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Speaker 2: think I'm bringing over some food, but I'm not the

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Speaker 2: main feeder, the main I'm looking forward to.

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Speaker 1: It should be great, all right, Well to one and

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Speaker 1: all have a happy, safe, healthy Fourth of July. We

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Speaker 1: will be back next week. As we inch ever so

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Speaker 1: close to our team and conference previews. Yes, make sure

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Speaker 1: you hit follow or subscribe if you have yet.

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Speaker 2: To do so.

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Speaker 1: But overbowlers dot com is where you can go for

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Speaker 1: ad free episodes, bonus content, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Dan, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's all I have for that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: for myself, Tie Hill and brand. Thanks for downloading, listening, supporting.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about since peace