WEBVTT - Keith Rhebb 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.240 Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.800 Today's episode is brought to you by b Dratty. It 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.720 is the holiday season. Amazing, it's here again. I can't 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.000 believe how quick this year went. But we have a 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.959 fully stocked pro shop, thanks in many part to be Dratty. 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:20.960 We have some of our favorite items in the shop 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:23.800 available for purchase for you and your loved ones this 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.600 this holiday season, or your friends that love the frieda Egg. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.120 You know, get them, get them, get that keeps giving merchandise. 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.600 So a few of our favorite items that we have 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.720 in there. I love the Liam Polo that's my uh, 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.159 that's my jam. I like the pocket I think it 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.480 looks really good. The Peruvian cotton is just unbelievable, so soft, 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.120 so comfortable styling too. It look good if you got 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.080 to go to like Bronch aft you play golf, you 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.760 do want to be the guy wearing like the you know, 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.880 heavy performance gear when you go meet your wife for 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.720 Brounch after golf. But anyway, also, you know another item 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.600 I love, especially this time of year, is the Russell 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:10.480 quarter zip. Thing is like your favorite sweatshirt turned into 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:14.600 something that's acceptable to wear. Everywhere, so you know, you 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:16.959 can wear this thing to work, you can wear it 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.240 on your couch on Sunday. It's so comfortable you feel 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.160 like you're wearing just like a regular sweatshirt. 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.040 So recommend that one. 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:28.959 They're both available in the shop as well as we 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:35.040 have a bunch of Fairway and Green Gear, pullovers, vests, polos, and. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.640 Also have a bunch of zer Gear. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.440 So we got some pullovers and some vests, some jackets 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.039 even and that all with a Friday logo. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:44.200 Check it out. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.640 We've got the photoprints up there too, and we're going 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.200 to extend the Cyber Monday deal just because this POD's 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:56.000 dropping now till Wednesday, So if you get on and 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.440 use the code cyber Monday Junior, you'll get twenty percent 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:04.480 off order. What a great deal. Andrew supporting, supporting the pod, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:09.840 supporting the website. Today's guest is Keith reb Keith was 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.240 one of the first guests in Fridagg history. It was 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:17.120 when we had a lot worse audio quality. I didn't 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:21.200 really know what I was doing then, and Keith was 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.720 gracious enough to join me. I was in his hometown 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:29.000 winter park for a quick afternoon. We actually recorded this 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.359 right outside the golf course. We were just sitting there 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.880 watching people tee off pac golf course, and we talked 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.119 a lot about what's been going on with Keith. The 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.440 smashing success of winter Park, even more success than the 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.880 last time we had talked, his new project of forest 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:51.440 Dunes with Riley John's and then as well as his 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.480 restoration work at Rolling Green, and then kind of life 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:59.480 balancing between being a shaper for Corn Crunshaw and building 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:04.239 out his own design business. So, without further ado, here 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.480 is Keith rep I miss a green. 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.959 For example, I'm already upset when I find my ball 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:10.400 in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.440 And when I find my ball in a bright egg 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:17.480 Frida eggad Frida egg Frida egg bride egg lie. 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:45.760 I'm about ready to run off the the. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.960 Keith, you're back early podcast. 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.440 Yeah, impromptu podcast at winter Park. 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.360 So we're literally enjoying the park or just sitting here. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.840 Yeah, this is a a it's a beautiful day. It's 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:55.040 good to see that you survive the possum attack. I 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.040 don't see any signs of rabies or anything here, so 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.120 so that's good. No no wounds. 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.680 I'm I'm city fulk I'm a new new member of 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:08.880 the suburbs. So the possum it's a frightening thing to 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:10.560 be walking around during the day. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.000 Yeah, they do have vicious teeth, they can. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:15.600 I was doing it mostly for my dog. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.280 Yeah, there we go. 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.520 People. People have been giving me a lot of crap. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.960 It was pretty funny, I would have to say. I laughed. 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.080 I laughed quite a while about that one. That was 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.839 a good That was some good internet content there. Yeah. 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.760 Yeah, my wife likes to follow me around and whenever 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.520 I'm doing anything remotely interesting, film it just in case. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:36.400 It looked ridiculous. 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.000 It's uh so what's uh, what's the new? You've been 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.680 so we you were probably like I think our fourth 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:45.040 or fifth podcast ever. 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:49.760 Yeah, well, Lisa, uh went uphill from there. I guess 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.080 after that point. You know, you you upgraded your equipment, 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:57.159 and now you've upgraded a lot of things the company 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:57.880 and we. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:03.159 Have significantly improve the audio quality. 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:07.359 That is spot on. Yeah, you know, and uh you know, 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.400 I remember I also remember seeing a couple of your 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.520 early drone footages. I think when you took it might 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:18.360 be your first the winter park. Yeah, first uh drone footage. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.520 I had to put it in a photoshop to actually 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.400 uh make the photo even I think it was like 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.960 off by like maybe eight or nine percent or so. 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.840 It's possible that footage is still on the internet and 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.799 it was. It was it was basically like the camera. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.800 It was diagonal. But a lot's changed here. Yeah at 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.480 winter Park since uh since that footage. 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:44.440 Yeah, there's yeah, it's I mean they are. They keep 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.640 on breaking their records every every year. So it's it's 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.839 been exciting and the city's still investing in it. Invested 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.359 ninety dollars in it last year. We did some upgrades 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.680 and they're getting ready to do another investment next year 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.680 on this whole patio area that we're sitting on them 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.440 and has some lounge chairs, a couple of TVs and 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:09.000 just kind of make it more of a hang HEREM 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:10.480 so excited about that. 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.600 Yeah, the it's amazing because you go to I visit 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:20.600 public courses and it's Thursday afternoon and just a constant 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.600 cycle down the first d the course is back. You're 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.280 driving up and there's people on every hall and it's 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.000 just a completely different site than than most American golf 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:34.680 courses and especially municipal golf courses, where you know, Thursday 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.200 Thursday at this time is is kind of a. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.599 Closing the doors, locking up and heading home because no 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:41.360 one's showing up. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.920 Yeah, it's fun. I like to go because non base around. Yeah, 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:48.960 I can zip around. But uh, the so what I 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:52.039 guess when you think about it now that you're a 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.080 resident of winter Park too, that's the news. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.800 Yeah, yeah, I live back here in winter Park, about 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.200 ten minutes away from the golf course. So it's uh, 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.680 you know, I mean, we we tried to go somewhere 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.160 else for a while and then realize that a lot 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.600 of the things that we enjoyed about this area we 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:13.640 kind of missed. So we're we're back here. That's great. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.160 When you built this place, I'm sure you thought it 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.040 could be something like this, but did you ever envision 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:21.840 it being this successful? 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.560 Not at all? And it was you know, I mean 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.120 to say that, like to think that would be a 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.440 goal for it to be this successful. I mean, of 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.320 course it would be. You know, we want this to 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.400 be successful, but you know, we just really wanted to 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:38.040 build a cool course for the residents of Winter Park 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:42.280 in this area and never thought that it would kind 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.960 of become a little bit of a you know, kind 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.400 of a role model to other municipal golf courses of 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.720 what they could be. So it's been very exciting to 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.880 see the success of this and the effort that is 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.440 Superintendent and his crew and all the people here are 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.640 working at winter Park or put their blood, sweat and 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.880 tears into this place to make it successful too. It's 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.920 it's not just us building something here, but it's also 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.880 the people that take care of it after you leave, 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.280 and and they take a lot of pride in this place. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.000 And and I mean you can see it here every day, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.960 the people working in the pro shop and you know 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.560 the name, they know the names of all the members 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.480 and the people that play here all the time, and 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:28.120 it's just, uh, it's it's uh, it's community, you know. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:34.079 And talk a little bit about from the maintenance standpoint, obviously, 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.160 it's a it's a different golf course to maintain than 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:37.800 it used to be. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:43.520 Were there any anything that when you were kind of. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.160 Early years of of the new golf course where you 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.400 had to kind of hone in and and and work 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:52.000 with you know, either on the architecture or on the 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:53.439 on the maintenance practices. 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.000 Well, I mean, you know, with the Bermuda grass, you know, 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.600 it takes it takes some time to just establish over 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.840 the years, so you know, I mean it's it's started, 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.800 it started to get to that point where it's really 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.240 established and it's rooted down and it's it's it can 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.480 take the wear and tear. And I mean some of 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.080 the things that we've seen too, is a lot of 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.720 the shade issues with some of the trees in the 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.320 in the around the course that need to be trimmed up, 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.560 and a few needed to be removed mainly because of 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.400 tree health too, that they just deteriorated and it's time 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.439 for the tree to go. And now that just has 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:35.840 helped the turf immensely, so you know, and just uh, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:37.400 I mean, the one thing we're seeing is just so 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.679 many people out here playing that we we now need 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.160 to look back at some of these teas that we 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.520 built and we need to build bigger teas just to 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:48.280 handle the wear and tear. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:53.320 So I remember Bill talking about that with the sandbox 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:57.800 versus the preserve, how he didn't realize how popular the 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:01.120 preserve would be and how much more tea space he needed. 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.920 And you know with the sandboxy that was one of 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.440 the big stresses is how much T space you need. 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:11.520 Yeah, yeah, so I mean over even so in May 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.480 next year we this whole, like I said, this whole 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.480 first tea area is gonna all get redone too, and 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.839 we're gonna we're going to established get some more T 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.920 space here on the first first tea and make a 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.439 new putting putting green area and just kind of shift 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.360 a few these areas around. We got plans to add 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.280 more tea space and a little bit of a different 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.920 angle on number seven and and also on whole number eight. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.160 So and then this year we added more T space 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:40.800 on whole number five too. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:45.160 So it's just you're you're tweaking things like Jack tweaks 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.080 Memorial every day every year. You know, You're you're like 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:53.079 the the Winter Parks, Jack Nicholas, just making tweaks. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.960 Every year after the after the FGA show. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.720 So you've been busy, Yeah, but you've been doing a 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.839 lot of stuff. You've been in uh been in uh 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:09.000 Abandon at the Sheet Branch, You've been in Hawaii Capalua. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.720 You you and Riley are got designed number two under 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.559 you know, grassed and and sleeping right now with winter, 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.520 but it'll be ready to be open next year at 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.120 Forest Duds a short course up there. Uh, tell tell 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.400 us a little bit about uh the second solo gig 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.040 with you and Riley and and kind of uh that 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.480 opportunity and I know it came together pretty quick. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.040 Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a phone call that 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.720 Riley and I got. We were sitting in San Francisco 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.840 at that time. We landed and I got this message 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.920 on my phone and I called Lou back and and man, 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.960 he's just you know, hey, I'd like you guys to 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.960 come out and you know, build a short course for me. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.320 And we were like, well, we're kind of busy right now. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:56.800 We're trying to figure out how we can. You know, 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.480 we were almost like kind of almost turning it down 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.600 because we had commitments with other people and we didn't 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:07.800 want to, you know, bail out on them. So and uh, 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.240 once I got out there to to Forest Dunes and 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.280 took a look at the site that that Lou was 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.160 wanting to build on, and yeah, I just you know, 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.880 and there was there was an opportunity something pretty cool there. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.400 So and yeah, it really did happen fast. I mean 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:30.400 it was basically eighty one days from like start to 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.880 start to finish. Basically and grasped out and that in 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.839 that time and tree clearing, shaping and grass and I 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:43.480 mean irrigation everything. So it was, uh, you know, Lou 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.719 had everything keyed up and and then ready to go. 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:53.040 And Mark Loots, the the GM there, he just helped, 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.480 you know, kind of just whatever we needed he got, 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.439 he got it done for us. So and it was 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.600 it was great working with all the apt there and 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.120 everybody that helped out in the course, and it was 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.040 part of the reason it was successful because everyone collaborated 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:08.080 and worked together. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:12.640 So it's that's got to be a tough thing with 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.480 being a you know, younger architect where you're you're trying 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.319 to make sure you have somewhere to work, but then 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.719 you have opportunities to come up, and you know, when 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.640 you make commitments, you obviously got. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:24.920 To honor most of them. 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.520 So you talk a little bit about over the years 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.120 becoming you know, more of a name and architecture and 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:35.000 and some of the you know, deciding where to go 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:35.800 and why to go. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.400 Yeah, I mean it's it is a balancing act and 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.960 you never want to bail out on someone and and 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.439 and also you know with I also work with core 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.680 Crunshaw too, so that that that puts in a whole nother, 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.040 a whole other layer of making sure you balance your 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.480 time and you're not, you know, best dealing on someone 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.880 where you say, well this is a better course, I'd 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:04.040 be better here and leave that. So it's, uh, it's 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.240 it's one thing I find is a big challenge once 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.240 you get those phone calls and and but you just 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.160 have to be upfront with them and say, you know, 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.240 this is the time that we can do this, and 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.679 if you want to commit to that time, then then 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.400 let's go forward. But if if there's not, then we 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.760 have to you know, hold the hold to our commitments. 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.840 And and it does help that with Riley and I, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.200 with being two of us, that we can kind of 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.400 balance a lot of these things too. And I see 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.160 that as a huge asset of going into this too. 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.960 So I imagine since both of you guys are are so 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.000 well versed in the field, having both worked a ton 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.720 in the field, that it's nice that you know, it's 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.520 a partnership where if one of you can't be there, 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.200 you got full trust in the other one to be 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.520 able to get the field work done and build it 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.000 to the you know, the standard you guys have Yeah. 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.520 Yeah, that's uh, yeah, that that really helps, just to 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.360 have someone to collaborate with and bounce ideas off of, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.640 and and also have someone that challenges you and things too. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.200 You know, if if you have an idea and it's 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:12.960 a little different from the other person, you have to 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.520 kind of you know, go to go to bat for 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.520 your idea and then then it's either it happens or don't. 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.240 But it's never one of those things where we walk 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:25.560 away from angry at each other. 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.280 What's an example of, say, maybe one of your ideas 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:33.600 that you guys worked with, you know, you maybe that 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.880 adapted thanks to the collaboration between you guys. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.880 I would I would say one of the examples is, uh, 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.680 out here at Winter Park is a whole number six, 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.240 you know, the lion's mouth, Yeah, the lion's mouth. You know, 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.400 we're we're trying to get an idea of how we 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.560 wanted it to be more of a punch bowl feel 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.640 to it. But if it had too much of a 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.880 punch bowl, then then it's not gonna have positive drainage 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.120 out of that, and it could cause you know, turf 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.080 issues and decline and stuff. So we're trying to find 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.960 that right balance of having something really neat but yet 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:06.920 not making it to where it's going to be a 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.280 challenge for the supernility. Yes, yeah, I mean if you 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:15.040 build something really cool and it can't survive and then 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.560 it's gonna look it's not gonna look good, and then 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.440 then people take notice of that. 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.240 So you got the question is that super cool? 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:28.080 If it if it? If it doesn't. So so I 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.080 think that was something that we both were looking at, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.600 and you know, we both came with both of our concerns, 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:37.080 and I think, you know, at the end, it it's uh, 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.200 you know, I think it's what Ed says is probably 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.920 one of his best greens out here with quality turf, 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.960 and and it's it's a fun hole to play. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.840 Yeah, I think definitely one of the most memorable ones 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.800 that I think most people remember. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:51.320 Obviously. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.200 It's it's just such a distinct and unique green and 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.840 uh fun one because you can play it so many 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.200 different ways and with so many different shots. It's so 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:05.240 with with Forrest Dun you know, you're designing resort with 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:10.159 two other golf courses and uh, how's the you know, 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.360 what are the characteristics of the short course that will 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.840 be unique to the to the resort other than it 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:16.440 being short. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.199 Yeah, I mean I think I think a lot of 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.720 the greens are going to be very receptive the shots 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.920 and kind of almost like a catcher's mint a bit, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.040 you know. I mean, when you play at the Loop, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.200 it's it's a lot of fun, but you got to 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.080 make sure you're hitting the right shot into those greens 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:34.080 or you're gonna get rejected, you know. So I think 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.520 it's uh, I think, you know, I think one thing 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.240 with Riley and I like we like to do too 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.760 is kind of like get an idea who the people 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.720 are playing the course. And that's one thing that we 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:46.439 did here at Winna Park is kind of just almost 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.000 sit here and watch the people that played the course, 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.840 and we could see the people that were coming to 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.600 visit Forest Dunes and and even the members that are 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:00.480 members there and watching them and seeing them. They needed 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.119 something like in the evenings to go hit some shots 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.399 and go have some have a few drinks with buddies 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:11.040 and just bet and just forget about score and just 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:16.000 just laid laid back golf and and and then also 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.800 just a place too for where the kids can go 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.600 kick around a couple of shots too, and and and 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.920 and and enjoy just going out there on their own. 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:30.880 So yeah, I mean it's in a part of the 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.960 country that's not but golf could be like a wonderful 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.440 activity for so many people around there. You know, I've 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.520 I've went up to Ross Common when I was a 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.200 kid doing you know, some projects with like some work projects, 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.400 work camp projects, and it's a it's a beautiful part 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.719 of the country and you know, definitely could be a 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.399 great thing for the community, more so than you know, 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:54.520 the big golf courses. 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.240 Yeah, I think it's you know, a way to enter 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.320 into the game there. And you know, I think it 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.959 would be cool to kind of get the the community 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.200 to come out. Maybe the kids have a tournament there 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.160 that's just local tournament that that are ten and under 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.520 or something like that, hit shots around the short course. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:11.600 Do you do you know, if they're going to do 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:15.879 any sort of community uh deal with with the short course. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.640 Or you know, I think I think there's still there's 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.800 some there's some some ideas kicking around about something like that, 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.119 maybe even a little tournament or something like that that 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:28.679 could be played up there. And and uh, yeah, you 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.160 know it was it was cool when we were building 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.600 it that, you know, lose one of his biggest things 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:35.359 that what he said why he wanted to do to 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.600 the short course was to have a place for his 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.520 grandkids to come out and play with him. And and 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.080 and we had the his grandkids were out there playing, 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.000 and then Janelle had his step kids out there, and 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.640 and uh, we were out there. They were out there 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.720 hitting shots and playing in dirt golf, you know, and 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.760 and it was just cool to see them and them 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.440 picking different places where they wanted a t uf from 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.439 and and hit the ball from, and just and just 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:05.080 seeing that joy of of not worrying about anything but 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.640 just having fun with friends and not worrying about, hey, 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:10.960 what was your last score on this hole or something 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:15.160 like that, and I want to lose a jagger. He uh, 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:20.480 he hit a shot on whole number seven and he 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:24.159 he hit the flagstick. So we basically said, like in 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.120 dirt golf, if you hit the flag stick, like that's 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.040 a hole in one. So you know, so he's got 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.040 the first one one on the short course out there, 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:33.320 So that's awesome. 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.760 Yeah, dirt golf, you gotta have a little bit different 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.400 roles in regular golf. 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.199 I mean, he just he flew that and he just 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.680 hit right on the flagstick. I'm like, oh my gosh. 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.840 I'm like, we got to go and make this. I 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.720 thought we were making this maybe too hard, and now 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.920 we gotta make a little more hard for them. 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:54.320 So this, I think that's well. Winter Park is in 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:56.680 a short course. A short course. It's a nine hole 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.840 golf course. Yeah, you know, there's part five, there's part four, 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.840 but it's shorter. The thing that it does is it 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.480 makes it keeps people together and it allows generations of 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.919 people to spend less time apart on the course. 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:09.280 Right. 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:13.520 You know, you're with a shorter hole, You're if if 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:15.720 you hit it one hundred and fifty yards and somebody 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.560 else hits a three hundred, you're still playing from the 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.119 about the same place and walking together. Yeah, And I 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.320 think that's I mean, the huge benefit to it. It's 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.640