1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Today's episode is brought to you by b Dratty. It 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: is the holiday season. Amazing, it's here again. I can't 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: believe how quick this year went. But we have a 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: fully stocked pro shop, thanks in many part to be Dratty. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: We have some of our favorite items in the shop 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: available for purchase for you and your loved ones this 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: this holiday season, or your friends that love the frieda Egg. 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: You know, get them, get them, get that keeps giving merchandise. 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: So a few of our favorite items that we have 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: in there. I love the Liam Polo that's my uh, 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: that's my jam. I like the pocket I think it 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: looks really good. The Peruvian cotton is just unbelievable, so soft, 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: so comfortable styling too. It look good if you got 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: to go to like Bronch aft you play golf, you 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: do want to be the guy wearing like the you know, 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: heavy performance gear when you go meet your wife for 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Brounch after golf. But anyway, also, you know another item 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: I love, especially this time of year, is the Russell 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: quarter zip. Thing is like your favorite sweatshirt turned into 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: something that's acceptable to wear. Everywhere, so you know, you 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: can wear this thing to work, you can wear it 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: on your couch on Sunday. It's so comfortable you feel 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: like you're wearing just like a regular sweatshirt. 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 2: So recommend that one. 26 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: They're both available in the shop as well as we 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: have a bunch of Fairway and Green Gear, pullovers, vests, polos, and. 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: Also have a bunch of zer Gear. 29 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: So we got some pullovers and some vests, some jackets 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: even and that all with a Friday logo. 31 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: Check it out. 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: We've got the photoprints up there too, and we're going 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: to extend the Cyber Monday deal just because this POD's 34 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: dropping now till Wednesday, So if you get on and 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: use the code cyber Monday Junior, you'll get twenty percent 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: off order. What a great deal. Andrew supporting, supporting the pod, 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: supporting the website. Today's guest is Keith reb Keith was 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: one of the first guests in Fridagg history. It was 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: when we had a lot worse audio quality. I didn't 40 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: really know what I was doing then, and Keith was 41 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: gracious enough to join me. I was in his hometown 42 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: winter park for a quick afternoon. We actually recorded this 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: right outside the golf course. We were just sitting there 44 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: watching people tee off pac golf course, and we talked 45 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: a lot about what's been going on with Keith. The 46 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: smashing success of winter Park, even more success than the 47 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: last time we had talked, his new project of forest 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: Dunes with Riley John's and then as well as his 49 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: restoration work at Rolling Green, and then kind of life 50 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: balancing between being a shaper for Corn Crunshaw and building 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: out his own design business. So, without further ado, here 52 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: is Keith rep I miss a green. 53 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 3: For example, I'm already upset when I find my ball 54 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: in the bunker, I'm really upset. 55 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 4: And when I find my ball in a bright egg 56 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 4: Frida eggad Frida egg Frida egg bride egg lie. 57 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: I'm about ready to run off the the. 58 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: Keith, you're back early podcast. 59 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, impromptu podcast at winter Park. 60 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: So we're literally enjoying the park or just sitting here. 61 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a a it's a beautiful day. It's 62 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 4: good to see that you survive the possum attack. I 63 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 4: don't see any signs of rabies or anything here, so 64 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 4: so that's good. No no wounds. 65 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm I'm city fulk I'm a new new member of 66 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: the suburbs. So the possum it's a frightening thing to 67 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: be walking around during the day. 68 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, they do have vicious teeth, they can. 69 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: I was doing it mostly for my dog. 70 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, there we go. 71 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: People. People have been giving me a lot of crap. 72 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 4: It was pretty funny, I would have to say. I laughed. 73 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 4: I laughed quite a while about that one. That was 74 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 4: a good That was some good internet content there. Yeah. 75 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife likes to follow me around and whenever 76 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm doing anything remotely interesting, film it just in case. 77 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: It looked ridiculous. 78 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: It's uh so what's uh, what's the new? You've been 79 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: so we you were probably like I think our fourth 80 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: or fifth podcast ever. 81 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Lisa, uh went uphill from there. I guess 82 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: after that point. You know, you you upgraded your equipment, 83 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 4: and now you've upgraded a lot of things the company 84 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 4: and we. 85 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: Have significantly improve the audio quality. 86 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 4: That is spot on. Yeah, you know, and uh you know, 87 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: I remember I also remember seeing a couple of your 88 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 4: early drone footages. I think when you took it might 89 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 4: be your first the winter park. Yeah, first uh drone footage. 90 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: I had to put it in a photoshop to actually 91 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: uh make the photo even I think it was like 92 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: off by like maybe eight or nine percent or so. 93 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: It's possible that footage is still on the internet and 94 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 1: it was. It was it was basically like the camera. 95 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: It was diagonal. But a lot's changed here. Yeah at 96 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: winter Park since uh since that footage. 97 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's yeah, it's I mean they are. They keep 98 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 4: on breaking their records every every year. So it's it's 99 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 4: been exciting and the city's still investing in it. Invested 100 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 4: ninety dollars in it last year. We did some upgrades 101 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 4: and they're getting ready to do another investment next year 102 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 4: on this whole patio area that we're sitting on them 103 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: and has some lounge chairs, a couple of TVs and 104 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 4: just kind of make it more of a hang HEREM 105 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 4: so excited about that. 106 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, the it's amazing because you go to I visit 107 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: public courses and it's Thursday afternoon and just a constant 108 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: cycle down the first d the course is back. You're 109 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: driving up and there's people on every hall and it's 110 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: just a completely different site than than most American golf 111 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: courses and especially municipal golf courses, where you know, Thursday 112 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: Thursday at this time is is kind of a. 113 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 4: Closing the doors, locking up and heading home because no 114 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 4: one's showing up. 115 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. I like to go because non base around. Yeah, 116 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: I can zip around. But uh, the so what I 117 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: guess when you think about it now that you're a 118 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: resident of winter Park too, that's the news. 119 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I live back here in winter Park, about 120 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 4: ten minutes away from the golf course. So it's uh, 121 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: you know, I mean, we we tried to go somewhere 122 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 4: else for a while and then realize that a lot 123 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 4: of the things that we enjoyed about this area we 124 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 4: kind of missed. So we're we're back here. That's great. 125 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: When you built this place, I'm sure you thought it 126 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: could be something like this, but did you ever envision 127 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: it being this successful? 128 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 4: Not at all? And it was you know, I mean 129 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 4: to say that, like to think that would be a 130 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 4: goal for it to be this successful. I mean, of 131 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 4: course it would be. You know, we want this to 132 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: be successful, but you know, we just really wanted to 133 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 4: build a cool course for the residents of Winter Park 134 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 4: in this area and never thought that it would kind 135 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 4: of become a little bit of a you know, kind 136 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 4: of a role model to other municipal golf courses of 137 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 4: what they could be. So it's been very exciting to 138 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 4: see the success of this and the effort that is 139 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 4: Superintendent and his crew and all the people here are 140 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: working at winter Park or put their blood, sweat and 141 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: tears into this place to make it successful too. It's 142 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 4: it's not just us building something here, but it's also 143 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 4: the people that take care of it after you leave, 144 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 4: and and they take a lot of pride in this place. 145 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: And and I mean you can see it here every day, 146 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 4: the people working in the pro shop and you know 147 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 4: the name, they know the names of all the members 148 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 4: and the people that play here all the time, and 149 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 4: it's just, uh, it's it's uh, it's community, you know. 150 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: And talk a little bit about from the maintenance standpoint, obviously, 151 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: it's a it's a different golf course to maintain than 152 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: it used to be. 153 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: Were there any anything that when you were kind of. 154 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: Early years of of the new golf course where you 155 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: had to kind of hone in and and and work 156 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: with you know, either on the architecture or on the 157 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: on the maintenance practices. 158 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, with the Bermuda grass, you know, 159 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: it takes it takes some time to just establish over 160 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: the years, so you know, I mean it's it's started, 161 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 4: it started to get to that point where it's really 162 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 4: established and it's rooted down and it's it's it can 163 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 4: take the wear and tear. And I mean some of 164 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 4: the things that we've seen too, is a lot of 165 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 4: the shade issues with some of the trees in the 166 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 4: in the around the course that need to be trimmed up, 167 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 4: and a few needed to be removed mainly because of 168 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: tree health too, that they just deteriorated and it's time 169 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 4: for the tree to go. And now that just has 170 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 4: helped the turf immensely, so you know, and just uh, 171 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 4: I mean, the one thing we're seeing is just so 172 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 4: many people out here playing that we we now need 173 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 4: to look back at some of these teas that we 174 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: built and we need to build bigger teas just to 175 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 4: handle the wear and tear. 176 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: So I remember Bill talking about that with the sandbox 177 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: versus the preserve, how he didn't realize how popular the 178 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: preserve would be and how much more tea space he needed. 179 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: And you know with the sandboxy that was one of 180 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: the big stresses is how much T space you need. 181 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I mean over even so in May 182 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: next year we this whole, like I said, this whole 183 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 4: first tea area is gonna all get redone too, and 184 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 4: we're gonna we're going to established get some more T 185 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 4: space here on the first first tea and make a 186 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 4: new putting putting green area and just kind of shift 187 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 4: a few these areas around. We got plans to add 188 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 4: more tea space and a little bit of a different 189 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: angle on number seven and and also on whole number eight. 190 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 4: So and then this year we added more T space 191 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 4: on whole number five too. 192 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: So it's just you're you're tweaking things like Jack tweaks 193 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: Memorial every day every year. You know, You're you're like 194 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: the the Winter Parks, Jack Nicholas, just making tweaks. 195 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: Every year after the after the FGA show. 196 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: So you've been busy, Yeah, but you've been doing a 197 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. You've been in uh been in uh 198 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: Abandon at the Sheet Branch, You've been in Hawaii Capalua. 199 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: You you and Riley are got designed number two under 200 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: you know, grassed and and sleeping right now with winter, 201 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: but it'll be ready to be open next year at 202 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: Forest Duds a short course up there. Uh, tell tell 203 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: us a little bit about uh the second solo gig 204 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: with you and Riley and and kind of uh that 205 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: opportunity and I know it came together pretty quick. 206 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a phone call that 207 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 4: Riley and I got. We were sitting in San Francisco 208 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 4: at that time. We landed and I got this message 209 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 4: on my phone and I called Lou back and and man, 210 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 4: he's just you know, hey, I'd like you guys to 211 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 4: come out and you know, build a short course for me. 212 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 4: And we were like, well, we're kind of busy right now. 213 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 4: We're trying to figure out how we can. You know, 214 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 4: we were almost like kind of almost turning it down 215 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 4: because we had commitments with other people and we didn't 216 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 4: want to, you know, bail out on them. So and uh, 217 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 4: once I got out there to to Forest Dunes and 218 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: took a look at the site that that Lou was 219 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 4: wanting to build on, and yeah, I just you know, 220 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 4: and there was there was an opportunity something pretty cool there. 221 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 4: So and yeah, it really did happen fast. I mean 222 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 4: it was basically eighty one days from like start to 223 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 4: start to finish. Basically and grasped out and that in 224 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 4: that time and tree clearing, shaping and grass and I 225 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 4: mean irrigation everything. So it was, uh, you know, Lou 226 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 4: had everything keyed up and and then ready to go. 227 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 4: And Mark Loots, the the GM there, he just helped, 228 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 4: you know, kind of just whatever we needed he got, 229 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 4: he got it done for us. So and it was 230 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: it was great working with all the apt there and 231 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 4: everybody that helped out in the course, and it was 232 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 4: part of the reason it was successful because everyone collaborated 233 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 4: and worked together. 234 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: So it's that's got to be a tough thing with 235 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: being a you know, younger architect where you're you're trying 236 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: to make sure you have somewhere to work, but then 237 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: you have opportunities to come up, and you know, when 238 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: you make commitments, you obviously got. 239 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: To honor most of them. 240 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: So you talk a little bit about over the years 241 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: becoming you know, more of a name and architecture and 242 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: and some of the you know, deciding where to go 243 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: and why to go. 244 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it is a balancing act and 245 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 4: you never want to bail out on someone and and 246 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 4: and also you know with I also work with core 247 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 4: Crunshaw too, so that that that puts in a whole nother, 248 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 4: a whole other layer of making sure you balance your 249 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 4: time and you're not, you know, best dealing on someone 250 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 4: where you say, well this is a better course, I'd 251 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 4: be better here and leave that. So it's, uh, it's 252 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 4: it's one thing I find is a big challenge once 253 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 4: you get those phone calls and and but you just 254 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: have to be upfront with them and say, you know, 255 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 4: this is the time that we can do this, and 256 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 4: if you want to commit to that time, then then 257 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 4: let's go forward. But if if there's not, then we 258 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 4: have to you know, hold the hold to our commitments. 259 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 4: And and it does help that with Riley and I, 260 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 4: with being two of us, that we can kind of 261 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 4: balance a lot of these things too. And I see 262 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 4: that as a huge asset of going into this too. 263 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: So I imagine since both of you guys are are so 264 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: well versed in the field, having both worked a ton 265 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: in the field, that it's nice that you know, it's 266 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: a partnership where if one of you can't be there, 267 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: you got full trust in the other one to be 268 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: able to get the field work done and build it 269 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: to the you know, the standard you guys have Yeah. 270 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's uh, yeah, that that really helps, just to 271 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 4: have someone to collaborate with and bounce ideas off of, 272 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: and and also have someone that challenges you and things too. 273 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 4: You know, if if you have an idea and it's 274 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 4: a little different from the other person, you have to 275 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 4: kind of you know, go to go to bat for 276 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 4: your idea and then then it's either it happens or don't. 277 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 4: But it's never one of those things where we walk 278 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 4: away from angry at each other. 279 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: What's an example of, say, maybe one of your ideas 280 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: that you guys worked with, you know, you maybe that 281 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: adapted thanks to the collaboration between you guys. 282 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 4: I would I would say one of the examples is, uh, 283 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 4: out here at Winter Park is a whole number six, 284 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 4: you know, the lion's mouth, Yeah, the lion's mouth. You know, 285 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 4: we're we're trying to get an idea of how we 286 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 4: wanted it to be more of a punch bowl feel 287 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 4: to it. But if it had too much of a 288 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 4: punch bowl, then then it's not gonna have positive drainage 289 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 4: out of that, and it could cause you know, turf 290 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 4: issues and decline and stuff. So we're trying to find 291 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 4: that right balance of having something really neat but yet 292 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 4: not making it to where it's going to be a 293 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 4: challenge for the supernility. Yes, yeah, I mean if you 294 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 4: build something really cool and it can't survive and then 295 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 4: it's gonna look it's not gonna look good, and then 296 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: then people take notice of that. 297 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: So you got the question is that super cool? 298 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 4: If it if it? If it doesn't. So so I 299 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 4: think that was something that we both were looking at, 300 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 4: and you know, we both came with both of our concerns, 301 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 4: and I think, you know, at the end, it it's uh, 302 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: you know, I think it's what Ed says is probably 303 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: one of his best greens out here with quality turf, 304 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 4: and and it's it's a fun hole to play. 305 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think definitely one of the most memorable ones 306 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: that I think most people remember. 307 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: Obviously. 308 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: It's it's just such a distinct and unique green and 309 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: uh fun one because you can play it so many 310 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: different ways and with so many different shots. It's so 311 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: with with Forrest Dun you know, you're designing resort with 312 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: two other golf courses and uh, how's the you know, 313 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: what are the characteristics of the short course that will 314 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: be unique to the to the resort other than it 315 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: being short. 316 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think I think a lot of 317 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 4: the greens are going to be very receptive the shots 318 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 4: and kind of almost like a catcher's mint a bit, 319 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 4: you know. I mean, when you play at the Loop, 320 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 4: it's it's a lot of fun, but you got to 321 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 4: make sure you're hitting the right shot into those greens 322 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 4: or you're gonna get rejected, you know. So I think 323 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 4: it's uh, I think, you know, I think one thing 324 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 4: with Riley and I like we like to do too 325 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 4: is kind of like get an idea who the people 326 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 4: are playing the course. And that's one thing that we 327 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 4: did here at Winna Park is kind of just almost 328 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 4: sit here and watch the people that played the course, 329 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 4: and we could see the people that were coming to 330 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 4: visit Forest Dunes and and even the members that are 331 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 4: members there and watching them and seeing them. They needed 332 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 4: something like in the evenings to go hit some shots 333 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 4: and go have some have a few drinks with buddies 334 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 4: and just bet and just forget about score and just 335 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 4: just laid laid back golf and and and then also 336 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 4: just a place too for where the kids can go 337 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 4: kick around a couple of shots too, and and and 338 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 4: and and enjoy just going out there on their own. 339 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's in a part of the 340 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: country that's not but golf could be like a wonderful 341 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: activity for so many people around there. You know, I've 342 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: I've went up to Ross Common when I was a 343 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: kid doing you know, some projects with like some work projects, 344 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: work camp projects, and it's a it's a beautiful part 345 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 1: of the country and you know, definitely could be a 346 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: great thing for the community, more so than you know, 347 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: the big golf courses. 348 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's you know, a way to enter 349 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 4: into the game there. And you know, I think it 350 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 4: would be cool to kind of get the the community 351 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 4: to come out. Maybe the kids have a tournament there 352 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 4: that's just local tournament that that are ten and under 353 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 4: or something like that, hit shots around the short course. 354 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: Do you do you know, if they're going to do 355 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: any sort of community uh deal with with the short course. 356 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 4: Or you know, I think I think there's still there's 357 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: some there's some some ideas kicking around about something like that, 358 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 4: maybe even a little tournament or something like that that 359 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 4: could be played up there. And and uh, yeah, you 360 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 4: know it was it was cool when we were building 361 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 4: it that, you know, lose one of his biggest things 362 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 4: that what he said why he wanted to do to 363 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: the short course was to have a place for his 364 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 4: grandkids to come out and play with him. And and 365 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 4: and we had the his grandkids were out there playing, 366 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 4: and then Janelle had his step kids out there, and 367 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 4: and uh, we were out there. They were out there 368 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 4: hitting shots and playing in dirt golf, you know, and 369 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 4: and it was just cool to see them and them 370 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 4: picking different places where they wanted a t uf from 371 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 4: and and hit the ball from, and just and just 372 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 4: seeing that joy of of not worrying about anything but 373 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 4: just having fun with friends and not worrying about, hey, 374 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 4: what was your last score on this hole or something 375 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 4: like that, and I want to lose a jagger. He uh, 376 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 4: he hit a shot on whole number seven and he 377 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 4: he hit the flagstick. So we basically said, like in 378 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 4: dirt golf, if you hit the flag stick, like that's 379 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: a hole in one. So you know, so he's got 380 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 4: the first one one on the short course out there, 381 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 4: So that's awesome. 382 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, dirt golf, you gotta have a little bit different 383 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: roles in regular golf. 384 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 4: I mean, he just he flew that and he just 385 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 4: hit right on the flagstick. I'm like, oh my gosh. 386 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 4: I'm like, we got to go and make this. I 387 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 4: thought we were making this maybe too hard, and now 388 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 4: we gotta make a little more hard for them. 389 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: So this, I think that's well. Winter Park is in 390 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: a short course. A short course. It's a nine hole 391 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: golf course. Yeah, you know, there's part five, there's part four, 392 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: but it's shorter. The thing that it does is it 393 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: makes it keeps people together and it allows generations of 394 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: people to spend less time apart on the course. 395 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 4: Right. 396 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: You know, you're with a shorter hole, You're if if 397 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: you hit it one hundred and fifty yards and somebody 398 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: else hits a three hundred, you're still playing from the 399 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: about the same place and walking together. Yeah, And I 400 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: think that's I mean, the huge benefit to it. It's 401 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: just so much more of a social game when when 402 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: the courses are smaller. 403 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's I mean I see it all the 404 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 4: time just driving by the course and just seeing the 405 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 4: different groups and just people having conversations and you know, 406 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: it's it's it's uh. I think I think anybody could 407 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 4: drive by here right now and just see how pack 408 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 4: this place is, and uh, and and and and think, man, 409 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 4: we need to have this and why isn't my local 410 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 4: municipal course this packed? I mean. 411 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: And the thing that this is doing, too, I think, 412 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: in the bigger scale of it eventually, is is that 413 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: it's not you're not spending money on golf. You're improving 414 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 1: an asset that in this case is making the community money. 415 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: You know, it is not most people look at golf 416 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: as a well, we're losing money, but we're providing a service. 417 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: And here you're providing a service and the and it's 418 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: making money for the community. 419 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and then they're reinvesting in that back 420 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 4: in the golf course. And it just you know, I 421 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 4: mean the putting course is a perfect example of that, 422 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 4: you know, I mean it was it was so packed 423 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 4: that we had to double the size of the putting 424 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 4: course for the for the kids. And and that's free 425 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 4: to the whole community. You'll you can be you can 426 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 4: go over there right now and you'll see people just 427 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 4: walking up with their putter and three balls and just 428 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 4: throw down and just put around for a little while. 429 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 4: You'll see families there and and that's that's uh, that's 430 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 4: just really neat to see and yeah, I mean, it's 431 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 4: it's it's also helped the city as they look at 432 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 4: going on to do other project in the city to 433 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 4: show that, hey, look how successful this has been. I 434 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 4: think they've rebranded their tennis courts, you know, kind of 435 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 4: seen the same things that that Winter Park's done here 436 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 4: with a few of the the rebrand you know, the 437 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 4: logos and stuff, and they've taken that to some of 438 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 4: the other projects. So they've seen a hey, this has 439 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 4: been successful, the taxpayers trust us, and now it makes 440 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 4: it easier, it makes it easier for us to move 441 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 4: forward on other projects. 442 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: So it's yeah, I think, I mean, the the big 443 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: thing with with this community is that they they took 444 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: a chance and did something different than what the status 445 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: quo for golf at a municipal at municipal level it was. 446 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: And that's the thing that I admire most is in 447 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: a way they're innovators and they're reaping the rewards of 448 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: being the first mover in a you know, a marketplace 449 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't really move and and more communities can do it. 450 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: It's it's just a matter of having somebody that has 451 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: the vision to push it that way. 452 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's uh, that is a yeah, that's that's 453 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 4: that's the biggest thing right there is is people wanting 454 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 4: to getting scared to not make a move, and then 455 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 4: then their course just uh you know, slowly disintegrates, and 456 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 4: and then everyone's like, well, look, golf is dying. Yeah, 457 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 4: and then like, oh, well, here's the developer that comes 458 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 4: along like, hey, this is this land here, why why 459 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 4: don't you just go ahead and sell this to us? 460 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 4: You know, it's we can, we can, we can bring 461 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 4: more tax base and more tax money in for it. 462 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 4: Just put condos and then you know, just wipe away 463 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 4: all this green space and all these cities and and 464 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 4: and that's what could have happened here. I mean the 465 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 4: city only owned uh, whole number one and whole number nine. 466 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 4: And the year that we did went to do the 467 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 4: construction was the year that they actually paid off the 468 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 4: loan to from to the family, so they owned all 469 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 4: the course. So it could have been easy at that 470 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 4: point to them to just sell off the rest of 471 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 4: the rest of the golf course. I mean, this land 472 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 4: is you know, quite valuable. Yeah, and there's now there's 473 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 4: now condos going up to the right of number seven. 474 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 4: Now and those places are going for like two point 475 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 4: five to three point I mean million dollars now. And 476 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 4: the developer that's doing those condos actually bought a church 477 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 4: that was there, gave them enough money to rebuild their 478 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 4: church back further to the property, and now they're putting 479 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 4: more condos in right next to seven. 480 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: So that was the thing I when I was doing 481 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: research for a about the golf course in my hometown 482 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: that was thinking about closing, is I found there's statistics 483 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: about proximity to golf courses and the value of your home, 484 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: like that alone should entice communities to invest in the 485 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: golf course, because the if you're within a mile of 486 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: a of a golf course, it's something like twenty five 487 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: thousand dollars added value. 488 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 4: To your home. 489 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: And and from that standpoint, it's just crazy to think, like, 490 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: you know, that alone should be enough to keep a 491 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: lot of golf courses because of the the's just the 492 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: value of the property. And for imagine like the service 493 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: of being able to just walk down the street with 494 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: a putter and they're being a great putting courses. Is 495 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: I mean, what a great little activity to have to 496 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: be able to do for free. 497 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and then you know, and then in the 498 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 4: evenings when when no one's out here golfing, you can 499 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 4: see people just walking through the fairways of winter Park 500 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 4: and just enjoying the walk. And you know, as long 501 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 4: as the people will clean up after their dogs, they 502 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 4: can have their dogs out here and run around too. 503 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 4: You just have to be responsible dog. 504 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 2: That's good. I'm bringing the dog out next time. 505 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 4: The So. 506 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: Speaking of you know, what have you now that you've 507 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: been doing solo projects. What have you taken from solo 508 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: work that's made your work as an associate for Corn Crunshaw. 509 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 4: Oh, that's yeah, that's a good question. Andy. I think 510 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 4: it's you know, making sure that that that you have 511 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 4: that you have enough time on site, you know, I 512 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 4: mean that's the biggest thing. You don't want to be 513 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 4: pulled to other things to think about that one a 514 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 4: little bit. But yeah, I mean it's I think it's 515 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 4: just still attention to detail and it just makes you 516 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 4: appreciate more the relationships you have with the clubs and 517 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 4: things like that and building those trusts from the start 518 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 4: and you kind of see that going into the golf 519 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 4: course as you start building it. Yeah, there's a lot 520 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 4: of things I mean, it's still learning every day, you know, 521 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 4: I mean being out here and working and learning from 522 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 4: Ryan and learning from different projects, and and I think 523 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 4: that's I think that's the funnest thing. You never never 524 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 4: gonna just gonna master the gulf of what's the texture 525 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 4: that you still learn every day. 526 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: So what's something that you picked up from, say, your 527 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: time at bandon the building the Sheep Ranch. 528 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 4: I think, you know, with I think the one thing 529 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 4: I picked up there was just I mean just more 530 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 4: watching when Bill first approached that site and seeing a 531 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 4: raw piece of land like that, but also seeing that 532 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 4: someone's already done something to it, but not having the 533 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 4: tendency to try to erase what's been done before and 534 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 4: then try to do your own thing. Seeing him look 535 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 4: at that piece of property, knowing that someone else did 536 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 4: work on it, but say this is really good, Like, 537 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 4: how are we going to work around this stuff and 538 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 4: utilize these contours and show respect to the other people 539 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 4: that have been here and worked on it and build 540 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 4: something cool and neat from there. I think that was 541 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 4: a really cool thing there, And just I know, it's 542 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 4: nice there when it's you know, it's nice for me 543 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 4: to kind of just take the to just go back 544 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 4: to being creative. I mean not have to think about 545 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,479 Speaker 4: any of the other things that like, oh well, now 546 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 4: I need to you know, what do I need to 547 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 4: communicate to the membership or something like that, or or 548 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 4: things like that, or what do I need to coordinate, 549 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 4: what do we need to order. I can just be Okay, 550 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna think about shaping the screen and that's that's. Uh, 551 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 4: that's nice to kind of just turn your brain off 552 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 4: and just get creative. 553 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: So that's an interesting thought because in terms of the 554 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: progression of your career, you go and you're gonna continue, 555 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, to get more and more solo projects. But 556 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: in a way, working as an associate in a place 557 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: could actually spur more creativity and your future of work. 558 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: If you, if you say. 559 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: Took, if you did, you know, a couple of months 560 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: as associate every year, you might be a better hour 561 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: architect in the long run. 562 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 4: Exactly. Yeah, I mean it's I guess I can express 563 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 4: how much I appreciate, you know, the way Bill and 564 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 4: Ben allow me to to move in and out of 565 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 4: core Crnshaw and then when I communicate what you know, 566 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 4: the hey this is going on, and Bill will be like, hey, 567 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 4: go get it, you know, go go for it. And 568 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 4: and that freedom of always having a home with them 569 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 4: and working with them, it's I mean, I that doesn't 570 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 4: happen very often. And then I think that's just something 571 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 4: I can't explain enough about how appreciative I am towards 572 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 4: Bill and Ben for that opportunity to for them to say, well, hey, well, 573 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 4: if you're going out on your own, you know, good luck, 574 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 4: we'll see you later, you know, type. 575 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: Of thing like hey, you're a competitor now, yeah, don't 576 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: let the door. 577 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: Hey yeah. 578 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 4: Mentality, it's a it's it's something that's it's really cool 579 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 4: for them to do that, and I think that's I 580 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 4: think it helps me be a you know, a better 581 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 4: person just working with Bill and Ben and being around 582 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 4: them more. The more you can take that time and 583 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 4: being around them, but I just also just learning, learning 584 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 4: more and being a sponge from them and taking everything 585 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 4: in and and see how they approach different things in 586 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 4: different projects. 587 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: So so something I've been excited to talk to you 588 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: a little bit about because I've listened to you and 589 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: Bill wax poetic about Old Town Club and I hadn't 590 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: been there, and I finally went Wow, And I've just 591 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: I've been you know, working on that project and it 592 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: being such a big part of Bill's you know, kind 593 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: of development into being an architect. What did you pick 594 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: up from Old Town that you kind of see most 595 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: in Bill's work? 596 00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 4: I would say, first of all, I think if you 597 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 4: go kind of that's when the light bulb kind of 598 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 4: went on for me and getting more interested and curious 599 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 4: about architecture and getting you know, and maybe looking at you. 600 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: Know, how long have you been with the corn Crunch 601 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 2: Eye at that point? 602 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 4: Well, so I was working with them in two thousand 603 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 4: and five, but I was with Core, I was with Landscapes, 604 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 4: I was helping them with at Caraile Golf Club. I 605 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 4: wasn't with associate, and I started with them trying to 606 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 4: kind of lose a track of time, but sugar Loaf 607 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 4: Mountain and then went from sugar Loaf Mountain to help 608 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 4: at Dormy Club for a while, and then this is 609 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 4: a little long Hair song. Well then I went to 610 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 4: Lost Farm Barn Bugle stream Song, and then I went 611 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 4: to Old Town and then I went to Cabot Cliffs. 612 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 4: So yeah, it was that's kind of that point where 613 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, looking at the history, looking at 614 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 4: Perry Maxwell, looking at the aha moments of Okay, this 615 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 4: is why we do these certain things. Is on the 616 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 4: course is or why Bill would route something, or why 617 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 4: he would utilize this contour, or why he would give 618 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 4: you this run up, or or maybe this contour in 619 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 4: the green has kind of got the It was at 620 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 4: that moment I'm like, Okay, well, now now I see 621 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 4: where where the you know, part of the influences of 622 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 4: what how how much Old Old Town had to effect 623 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 4: on Bill in his architecture, And and it was just 624 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 4: it was for me too, the point where I was like, 625 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 4: you know, looking at the old plans, looking at the 626 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 4: old aerials, doing the research that done LOMP and looking 627 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 4: at all the all the research that Dunelp had done 628 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 4: prior to the work that we started there, and and 629 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 4: that was that was cool because I mean a lot 630 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 4: of times you're just on a project where it's a 631 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 4: new build, you don't have the tipy toe around anything. 632 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 4: You're just building golf, and this is something where you 633 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 4: got to, you know, do a little research, and and 634 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 4: that that got me kind of yeah, like I said, 635 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 4: the light bulb kind of turned on for me. Personally 636 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 4: too to get more curious about the architecture side of 637 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 4: things too. 638 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: So, yeah, that that place is just incredible because you 639 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: look at the routing and what I kind of took 640 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: away was the way I don't know many architects that 641 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: would have routed it the way he routed it over 642 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: those severe landforms, you know a lot of them, I 643 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: feel like would have looked for a way around him, 644 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: and he was just going right over him. And then 645 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: obviously the greens are incredible, but that routing is just unbelievable. 646 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean I think I don't know how 647 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 4: many acres that you know, they they gave him the 648 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 4: opportunity to look. It wasn't just like here's where you're 649 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 4: building this golf. 650 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 2: Course, like a thousand acres available. 651 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 4: Thousand acres of like what do you think? You know? 652 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 4: And you know this is going to go off on 653 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 4: a little bit of tangent here, But we were trying 654 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 4: to think about, Okay, so when was Perry Maxwell and 655 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 4: like in the Philadelphia and he might have been in Philadelphia, 656 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 4: and we kind of look at like maybe he was 657 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 4: influenced on some of the courses in Philly, maybe even 658 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 4: Rolling Green, you know, looking at how William Flynn routed 659 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 4: and all those guys are kind of talking. It's like, 660 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 4: did he get influenced a little bit? I mean, that's 661 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 4: like someone's got to do a little bit, a big, 662 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 4: bigger dig on on the history there. But you know, 663 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 4: maybe he went to Rolling Green when in. 664 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: That golf course in uh in Philly. Uh what's it called. 665 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: I can't remember what it is, what the name of 666 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: it is. It's driving, But he was in the area. Yeah, 667 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: he was there. 668 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 2: He designed a course with it. 669 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: They say it's Mackenzie Maxwell, but it's mostly Maxwell. It's 670 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: a you know, public golf course. It's still some of 671 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: it remains. But I agree. The only person that I 672 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: could compare Maxwell in the terms of the way he 673 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: routes courses would be Flynn. Like how natural they were 674 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: and how unafraid they were to use heavy cone, abrupt contours. 675 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 4: I mean, you look at some of you know, those 676 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 4: greens at Rolling Green or just yeah, I mean, oh 677 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 4: well we're going up here, you know, and it's like 678 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 4: and then the side slopes of the fairways, the canter 679 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 4: of the fairways, you know, it's like that's what I 680 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 4: think is so interesting. It's like most people would be like, oh, 681 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 4: we need to level these fairways out, and he's like, no, 682 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 4: we're sticking this fairway right on this slope. And you 683 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 4: got to think about how where you hit your ball 684 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 4: here and where it's going to run out to is 685 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 4: the best and just utilizing the land. And I think 686 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 4: that those are the things that Bill was just like, man, 687 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 4: he's just taken in and he was saying that there's 688 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 4: a spot I think it's on number twelve there where 689 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 4: there's a little building there and there was a gate 690 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 4: right there, and that's where Bill would sneak through that 691 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 4: gate right there, and then he would play the course 692 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 4: through pays i think dollar to play the course and 693 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 4: then go on. But it's just cool to see, like, 694 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I guess this might get a 695 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 4: little kind of like out there, but you know, in life, 696 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 4: those lord here, yeah, those yeah, those those things in 697 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 4: life that you don't know the pass that you're taking 698 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 4: on it and then you're going down this path and 699 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 4: then knowing how much those little things will influence, you know, 700 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 4: things down the road. I mean him Bill choosing Wake 701 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 4: Forest to go there and then having a Perry Maxwell. 702 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 4: I mean, just look at those things that like, look 703 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 4: where we're at now, you know, I mean with with 704 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 4: Bill's designs. I mean it's just. 705 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: That well, I mean you're kind of the same boat 706 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: because you were doing construction work road like road construction, 707 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: doing concrete work. 708 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 4: But you know, those little things with concrete work and 709 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 4: and those things I learned from that and running equipment 710 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 4: then kind of you know, went right into to kind 711 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 4: of building golf. You know, it's it's a lot easier 712 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 4: to shape dearth than it is concrete. 713 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: So and you didn't know really anything about golf when 714 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: you started working at Sutton Bay, right, No, No, I 715 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: was I had no. 716 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I barely play, you know, I had 717 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 4: no introduction into it wasn't a path that I was 718 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 4: heading down. And and and then just just having the 719 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 4: opportunity to go work at Sutton Bay and just look 720 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 4: out at the beauty of the course and and seeing 721 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 4: it being built and and seeing what goes into it, 722 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 4: I was just like, Okay, well, I know what I 723 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 4: want to do now. You know. It's like I just 724 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 4: want to build golf and and have fun and do 725 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 4: this and and and and and to be able to 726 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 4: now sit here and at Winter Park with you and discuss. 727 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 4: I mean, it's I can't tell you how much I'm 728 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 4: just appreciative of all the people that have helped me 729 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 4: through and and inspired me to be here where I 730 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 4: am now. I mean, it's it is, it's it's pretty cool. 731 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 4: I mean just to sit here right now and see 732 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 4: like five people on the putting green putting around right now, 733 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 4: someone's teeing off, and seeing this place packed, you know. 734 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: That's got to never get all the seeing people playing 735 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: the course that you've built. 736 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's it is a it is a it 737 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 4: is a cool thing and and it's the one thing 738 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 4: while I'm glad, I'm glad I'm back here in winter 739 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 4: Park to be so close to here and and to 740 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 4: continue just to see this place grow and it's it's exciting. 741 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, with you know, I uh, back to you know, 742 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 1: old town for a second. The one thing, do you 743 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: do you see a lot from those greens that remind 744 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: you of greens that you've you've watched Bill build over 745 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: the year? 746 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. I was like that's 747 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 4: that was the first things I'm like, okay, well, this 748 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 4: little kind of Perry Maxwell roll here, you know, like Okay, well, 749 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 4: this is this is something I've seen before and built 750 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 4: and and and in some of the tier greens and 751 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 4: stuff like that, and and the run ups and the 752 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 4: false fronts, and I mean it was it was it 753 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 4: was a cool, cool thing to see. And and then 754 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 4: the bunker style, I mean you know, I mean you 755 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 4: know when we first got there, those bunkers have been 756 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 4: I mean they were perfect circles. I mean, there was 757 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 4: no character. It was. It was it was like, oh, well, 758 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 4: we need to make this easy to maintenance, for maintenance 759 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 4: and maintaining it, which is understandable. You don't want to 760 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 4: have something that's unmaintainable. And then as a stressor. But 761 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 4: when you go so far on the spectrum to where 762 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 4: it's zero maintenance bunker, it just wipes all the character 763 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 4: out of what was there before and and and scratching 764 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 4: back that that creativity and bringing that back in. I 765 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 4: mean you could just look at where Old Town was 766 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 4: before the renovation. I mean they were way off the 767 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 4: list of top one hundred classic courses, I think, and 768 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 4: I think they've like jumped up to like what forty 769 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 4: five or thirty seven or something like that. 770 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: It's it's just that Golf Week one. I think they're 771 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: almost up at twenty ors. 772 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it's it's uh, it's it's deserved. And 773 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 4: but I mean there's also stuff before we got there 774 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 4: that they were doing such a good job on, is 775 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 4: you know, the tree removal. So I mean when you 776 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 4: look at you know, I always say that with if 777 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 4: you want a great tree removal success story to look at, 778 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 4: you know, look at what Old Town did and what 779 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 4: Dunlop did there with with removing tons of trees, but 780 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 4: you would never know that there was you know, it 781 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 4: was done respectfully and done right, and in the in 782 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 4: the courses, the views of that place is just unreal 783 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 4: looking at you know, from some of the te's and 784 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 4: looking out over that property to imagine that there was 785 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 4: like thousands of more trees everywhere. Everything was choked off. 786 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 4: And so you're you're. 787 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: Doing restoration work at Rolling Green, which I from I 788 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: hadn't thought about it until you mentioned it, but from 789 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: a property standpoint, really kind of pretty similar to Old 790 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: Town in the in the just the bold the massive 791 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: landforms that that the course is routed over, but like 792 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,879 Speaker 1: you know, very corridored off where almost each holds its 793 00:41:53,880 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: own room. And now they just approved a tree removal project. 794 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 4: And you know, I think it's done for the right reasons. 795 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's it's really has to be. 796 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 4: It's the right tree in the right place. And and 797 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 4: there weren't trees there and a lot of responts before 798 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 4: tons of them got planted, and you got to look 799 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 4: at you know, the health of the turf, the health 800 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 4: of the greens, and you know, frost delays. I mean, 801 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 4: there's so many things that kind of go into that 802 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 4: are just going to open the door to in the 803 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 4: in the views. But but first of all, the condition 804 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 4: of the golf course. I mean it's going to be 805 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 4: a huge effect on that golf course, opening up those corridors. 806 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 4: And excited to see that, I'm gonna be. I'm heading 807 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 4: back up there here this next week, so I'm going 808 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,760 Speaker 4: to take a look at how things are progressing with 809 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 4: the with the tree removal plan. And and you know, 810 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 4: we're not just taking them all, We're we're picking the 811 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:52,720 Speaker 4: right tree. 812 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 2: And that's something that's misconceived. 813 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,959 Speaker 1: And you know, I got it, as people think I 814 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: am just cut down every tree. It's like, no, expose 815 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: the trees that are the great trees or the property, 816 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: and if you get the stuff away from it around it, 817 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: the tree is just so beautiful and it's actually allowed 818 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: to be healthy. 819 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's kind of what's happened there at 820 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 4: Rolling Green. A lot of these trees are so choked 821 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 4: off that one overcompetes and then it grows into the 822 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 4: other one, and then it gets the diseased. And then 823 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 4: well once you lose that one, well now you've got 824 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 4: to get rid of four trees just because one, you know, 825 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 4: one's got to come out. So I think that's one thing, 826 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 4: and I think two. I think for here at Winter 827 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 4: Park is a perfect example too. I mean, we've actually 828 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 4: planted back more trees than we've taken down, but they're 829 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 4: in the right spots. We've we've been able to plant them. 830 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 4: We've been able to get the invasive trees that needed 831 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 4: to come out, and then we've replaced them with pines. 832 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 4: I mean, right now you look at three beautiful pines 833 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 4: that are planted over here behind nine. And then the 834 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 4: tree trimming and stuff like that that's happened around the 835 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 4: course too. It just helps the turf thrive. So it 836 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,839 Speaker 4: is you know, everyone says, oh, just cut down all 837 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 4: the trees. But it's it's really it does go back 838 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 4: to just the right tree in the right place and and. 839 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: And that's the other thing trees can do when you 840 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 1: expose trees more is that they can act as like 841 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,360 Speaker 1: optical illusion and deception. They can mess with sight lines 842 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: and and you know distance, like the way you interpret 843 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: distances and how far you think things are. 844 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,760 Speaker 4: Everything. Yeah, so it's I think, uh, yeah, I'm excited 845 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 4: to see the progression of the plan with Rolling Green, 846 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 4: with the tree removal and and see the excitement of everyone, 847 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 4: you know next year when they see it, and I 848 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 4: know will probably happen. It will be like, so we 849 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 4: took out trees, you know, and no one remembers, you know, 850 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 4: when when it's already, when it's been done, they they 851 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,359 Speaker 4: don't miss them. So and a lot of those trees too, 852 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 4: there's a disease and a lot of the trees that 853 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 4: they needed. I mean, Rolling Green has done it. Like 854 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 4: they went and had to arborist go through. They marked 855 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 4: every tree on the site. I mean there's some trees 856 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 4: that I walked up to and I can believe that 857 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 4: they have a marker on. But they went through every tree, 858 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 4: checked every health of every tree that was on the site, 859 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 4: and then it gives you a list, you know, and 860 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 4: Brian's got a tablet that has them all in and 861 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 4: you can click on every tree and he knows what 862 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 4: the health is and you know, then you make a 863 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 4: choice either going to spend thousands of dollars to treat 864 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 4: this tree or remove it and replace it with a 865 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 4: tree that can thrive. So that just gives you I 866 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 4: really commend them for going that route. They've they've done 867 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 4: their research and the asset of having that information has 868 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 4: been huge for all of us to look at. 869 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: So with restoration work, obviously, I imagine you learned a 870 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: ton of stuff when you building new courses. How what's 871 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: the is the stuff you learn and the way you're 872 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,399 Speaker 1: kind of thinking of of architecture is that the way 873 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: it progresses when you're doing restoration work is it different 874 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: than the way it does when you're doing a new build. 875 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean the biggest thing is you hear it 876 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 4: a hundred times, you know, you get ready to do 877 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 4: a restoration or something or going that aspect and you're like, 878 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 4: so we're going to move this bunker closer to the 879 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 4: t's and we're going to put this back to where 880 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,280 Speaker 4: it was, you know, and they and then it comes 881 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 4: into the whole technology is it is it going to 882 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 4: be relevant? You know if we move this bunker, we 883 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 4: do things, and then you're thinking about then then the 884 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 4: technology is start steering the restoration. And then it's like 885 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 4: it's that balance of oh, you're going to make the 886 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 4: course too easy. And I think we were kind of 887 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 4: hearing at really weren't hearing that, but it was it 888 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,920 Speaker 4: was a concern that like even at old Town, or 889 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 4: we're to make it too easy that Old Town. We 890 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 4: went and we had some bunkers in certain spots to 891 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,320 Speaker 4: kind of help with the technology. Maybe we had a 892 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 4: bunker behind another bunker where you don't really see it, 893 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 4: but it comes in play for the big hitter. So 894 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 4: now and then you got to kind of turn that 895 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 4: kind of thought into it about is that bunker meant 896 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 4: to be a visual cue or is it plays in 897 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 4: the strategy. And especially like with Flynn, like once you 898 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 4: kind of think you figured out what Flynn's gonna do, 899 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 4: he'll do something completely kind of like throws you off 900 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,840 Speaker 4: in a whole different aspect of things, and you and 901 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 4: once you think you got it, you're like, okay, well 902 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 4: then why this one doesn't make any sense? Why'd you 903 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 4: put this bunker here? So I think that's that's one 904 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 4: thing we're working with Rolling Green right now is when 905 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 4: we first went and looked at it, we were we 906 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 4: were taking that thing back to nineteen twenty six. Like 907 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 4: we found we went in a deep dive. We found 908 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 4: a plan that had been sitting in an engineer's office 909 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 4: for like ninety like ninety two years, was just sitting 910 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 4: rolled up and it was like the linen plan that's 911 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 4: like looks like a treasure map and you you know, 912 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,280 Speaker 4: fold this thing open and it's got the pencil marks 913 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 4: of where, you know, even where Flynn was thinking about 914 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 4: maybe the fifteenth Green being in a different place, and 915 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 4: you know, and you start doing research about different plans 916 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 4: that were drawn in that he had he'd put up, 917 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 4: and then you start seeing the little differences of where 918 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,359 Speaker 4: things have shifted, and then you have to figure out, well, 919 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 4: why did he shift that? And you got to kind 920 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 4: of put your you know, kind of thinking outside the 921 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:36,359 Speaker 4: box and why that might happen. So I think with 922 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,840 Speaker 4: with with Rolling Green in that aspect is just it 923 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 4: was just so much fun to do the deep dive 924 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 4: and find out the history and where we've now found 925 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 4: We've we found the baseline. We're like, okay, this is 926 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 4: exactly where we could basically say this is what it 927 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 4: was when it opened up in nineteen twenty six, and 928 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 4: then now we can take that information and now we 929 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 4: can move forward without doing something that would damage the 930 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 4: course and be something that would not go that would 931 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 4: go against kind of Flynn's principles on those things. 932 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 1: So you and Riley did something unique with the you 933 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,399 Speaker 1: know when you guys got the job at Rolling Green 934 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: where you did a massive flint tour. Yeah, yeah, I 935 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: mean you saw what twenty something, Yeah, yeah. 936 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 4: We went everywhere we were just we wanted to get 937 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 4: those uh those you start seeing like patterns of things 938 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 4: and then you can kind of take that back to 939 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 4: where you're and then back to Rolling Green or or 940 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 4: you know, maybe that's something that you know that he 941 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,480 Speaker 4: would do here, so you I don't know, it was. 942 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 4: It was really kind of cool to see, you know, 943 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,400 Speaker 4: how things how maybe some assumptions that maybe made about 944 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,720 Speaker 4: what it was or what It's kind of hard to explain, 945 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,360 Speaker 4: but like kind of know how far to take things. 946 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 4: I guess what. 947 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: Were some of your biggest takeaways that you know, or 948 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: things that after seeing Rolling Green that the tour might 949 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: have changed your perception of Flynn or something that maybe 950 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 1: even something that you take away from Flynn and and 951 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: really look at, you know, hopefully using in your future work. 952 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's I think it's the I think 953 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:25,240 Speaker 4: to seeing his designs is how almost he was ahead 954 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 4: of his time, I think. And you know in the 955 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 4: clubs that they were using at that time and in 956 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,840 Speaker 4: some of the shots on some of these courses that 957 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 4: he was asking you to make, and you're like, you know, 958 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 4: even with the modern technology, this isn't an easy shot. 959 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,200 Speaker 4: You know, these guys are got you know, I don't know, 960 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 4: got hickories and they're just you know, hitting this ball 961 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 4: into the into into some of these greens and and 962 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 4: just some of the you know, not afraid to put 963 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,319 Speaker 4: you know, fairways on on side slopes and things and 964 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,080 Speaker 4: and how and you got to think about how you're 965 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,359 Speaker 4: placing the ball in the fairway and and where it's 966 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 4: going to run out to and the strategy. And I 967 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,879 Speaker 4: think too, when you look at there's a few times 968 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,240 Speaker 4: where people are like, oh, we're the most authentic Flynn 969 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 4: and then you start kind of digging back and you 970 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 4: got these photos and you start looking and you're like, well, 971 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know what happened here, but 972 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,640 Speaker 4: that doesn't look like what it was. 973 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,280 Speaker 1: I guess of the Finns that you saw outside outside 974 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: of Rolling Green, which one would the one that you 975 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,200 Speaker 1: kind of took the way it took away the most. 976 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,839 Speaker 1: And if there was one that was particularly you you 977 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 1: didn't expect to get as much out of, what were 978 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,960 Speaker 1: the courses that kind of resonated and stuck with you 979 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,359 Speaker 1: the most? 980 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 4: I think the one that, like just recently, I was 981 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,280 Speaker 4: up in Cleveland and I went to the Cleveland country 982 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 4: Club there and and that one is like it's it's 983 00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,040 Speaker 4: the bones are still there. It just you know it. 984 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 4: It could use the bunker restoration and things like that, 985 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,800 Speaker 4: but man, it's got it's got just some cool character 986 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,480 Speaker 4: to it. And that's one that I I really saw 987 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 4: as like what one had the most potential if it 988 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 4: was put back or had some work done on it. 989 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 2: And country club, Yeah, contract that place is really cool. 990 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's there's just that funky kind of 991 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,759 Speaker 4: just the land that he picks and it's like, I 992 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,440 Speaker 4: don't know if you had like a standard where he said, well, 993 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 4: if you don't have a creek running through your project 994 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 4: or or you don't have this you know, random you know, 995 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 4: hills or things like that, then I'm just not interested 996 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 4: in it. But because that's one thing that he starts seeing, 997 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,600 Speaker 4: you know, some of the things that he would route 998 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 4: it over a over a stream or something like that. 999 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 4: And I mean there's some of the ones right around 1000 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 4: you know, Philly that you know, like Huntington, you know, 1001 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 4: and seeing some of the you know, him using that 1002 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 4: raw land and then a compact piece of property too. 1003 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,759 Speaker 4: But then you getting the best out of it is 1004 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,800 Speaker 4: something I really really noticed. He liked that outside inside 1005 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,719 Speaker 4: right rout Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's he's gonna 1006 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,840 Speaker 4: take you on a on a a little bit of 1007 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 4: a journey through different parts of the prompt breath in, 1008 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,360 Speaker 4: and and that's what's that's what's really cool that he 1009 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,799 Speaker 4: definitely gets the best out of it. 1010 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,800 Speaker 1: How how's so here at winter Park? You you didn't 1011 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,240 Speaker 1: really reroute anything, right, No. 1012 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,720 Speaker 4: I mean when we first, you know, we we first 1013 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 4: tried to take everything look at everything with a with 1014 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 4: a blank slate. But I mean, you got everything's surrounded 1015 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,759 Speaker 4: by students, and I mean the only thing that we 1016 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 4: looked at is like could we do something with like five, 1017 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 4: six and seven over there and do something a little 1018 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 4: bit different, But it. 1019 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:52,000 Speaker 1: Just nothing with with for students with the opportunity. What 1020 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: was what was routing for the first time? 1021 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,000 Speaker 4: Like, oh, it was you know, it was it was cool. 1022 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,719 Speaker 4: I mean it was basically that one day walk in it. 1023 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,839 Speaker 4: I mean you just let you just let your you know, 1024 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 4: feet kind of help you with you know, how would 1025 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,120 Speaker 4: I walk this property if I was just gonna go 1026 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,799 Speaker 4: on on a bit of a journey here. And that's 1027 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,239 Speaker 4: what was fun when I first got there, when I 1028 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,640 Speaker 4: first saw the property, I did a routing on my own, 1029 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,319 Speaker 4: and then you know, Riley came in the next time 1030 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,840 Speaker 4: and then we both then then he was able to 1031 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 4: put his layer on it. And then that's kind of 1032 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,759 Speaker 4: like that's what's fun. Is that that collaboration, like, oh 1033 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,960 Speaker 4: well that's something I didn't think about and that's cool, 1034 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,879 Speaker 4: and it's just that added uh, those those added things 1035 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,239 Speaker 4: were neat, you know, and. 1036 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,560 Speaker 1: So so the way it worked, you you went first, 1037 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: you you put together a routing. Yeah, had Riley went 1038 00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,960 Speaker 1: had he seen your routing before he got there? Ah? 1039 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 4: No, I didn't show him. Yeah, yeah, no, I yeah. 1040 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,120 Speaker 4: I mean we all knew where we were starting from. 1041 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,880 Speaker 4: I mean it was obvious where we were starting out, 1042 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,560 Speaker 4: the pavilion right there, and you know, I had the 1043 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 4: routing and we went we walked through it, and then 1044 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,640 Speaker 4: he's like, well, you know, I really feel like if 1045 00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,200 Speaker 4: I got to this point, I kind of want to 1046 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,920 Speaker 4: know what was happening this way. So I was like, okay, 1047 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 4: well let's look at that. And I'm like, yeah, perfect, Yeah, 1048 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,879 Speaker 4: I didn't think about that. That's cool, it's a cool 1049 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,399 Speaker 4: way to go and and and it's cool, but it's 1050 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,879 Speaker 4: a better hole for that for that area. And then 1051 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 4: we both think about how we can make it work. 1052 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,600 Speaker 4: But you know, sometimes when you have a cool idea 1053 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,680 Speaker 4: and something changes there, then it has a ripple effect 1054 00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,239 Speaker 4: through the rest of the course. And and and that 1055 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,719 Speaker 4: really there weren't many things that on the routing that 1056 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 4: we both looked at that changed that much. The thing 1057 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,320 Speaker 4: that that probably changed the most on the routing is 1058 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,120 Speaker 4: when when Riley got there, was we finished on the 1059 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 4: ninth and we got to the ninth green, and it's 1060 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,840 Speaker 4: it would have been a bit of a way from 1061 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,759 Speaker 4: from the pavilion, and Riley is like, well, we got 1062 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 4: to figure out a way to play back to the pavilion, 1063 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,279 Speaker 4: you know. And I'm like, I'm a play back I'm 1064 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,440 Speaker 4: gona figure out a way to play back to the 1065 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,240 Speaker 4: pavilion no matter what, you know. And I was like, okay, well, 1066 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,319 Speaker 4: how is this going to work? Riley? We And that's 1067 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 4: where it was that, well, can we have the putting green. 1068 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 4: We're gonna put another green here, and we're gonna have 1069 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 4: crossing holes. And that's that was that was a thing 1070 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,480 Speaker 4: where Riley's one of his ideas was out of the 1071 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,839 Speaker 4: box on making the crossing holes. So and when you're there. 1072 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,800 Speaker 2: Riley's got a lot of out of the box idea. 1073 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,200 Speaker 4: But I mean that's that that type of like shaking 1074 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,759 Speaker 4: the excess, you know, the shaking the box and seeing 1075 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,080 Speaker 4: what comes out. You know, it's like just you get 1076 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 4: sometimes in the norm of just thinking one way, but 1077 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,879 Speaker 4: then you got someone that just like, you know, kind 1078 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,719 Speaker 4: of just you know, like, hey, look at this a 1079 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:32,799 Speaker 4: little differently, and. 1080 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,560 Speaker 1: You well, I think that's such a valuable thing in 1081 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: the design world because once you get kind of locked 1082 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:45,480 Speaker 1: in you also the way you view something in anything 1083 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,680 Speaker 1: of life, like you have your everybody has their own 1084 00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,440 Speaker 1: biases and the way they look at things, and and 1085 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: it can be great for so many ways, but that 1086 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,960 Speaker 1: that collaboration often yields even better because it's you could 1087 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 1: take the two the things that you do best, and 1088 00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,359 Speaker 1: somebody else might just enhance it. 1089 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:04,879 Speaker 2: A little bit. 1090 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's really having that you know, no ego 1091 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 4: and and yeah, it's just it's just taking a step 1092 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,759 Speaker 4: back sometimes and sometimes in your mind you'll fight it 1093 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,839 Speaker 4: a little bit, you know, be like, oh, I mean 1094 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,040 Speaker 4: this is I kind of like this, you know, but 1095 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,919 Speaker 4: then you start thinking about it, and then when you're done, 1096 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,120 Speaker 4: you're like, why would I have ever had that idea 1097 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,560 Speaker 4: of trying to like, uh, be locked in into something 1098 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,440 Speaker 4: like this. So that's it's something that I saw that 1099 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,400 Speaker 4: I see with when we're working with Bill and Ben 1100 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,919 Speaker 4: all the time, and I'm like, man, that works. And 1101 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,880 Speaker 4: when you have someone like Riley where it's so much 1102 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,040 Speaker 4: fun to be around and joke around with and and 1103 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,600 Speaker 4: and have those outside the box things, but like yeah, 1104 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,240 Speaker 4: just the yeah, we're gonna do a crossing hole here 1105 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,800 Speaker 4: one in ten are going to cross and and when 1106 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,040 Speaker 4: you're there, everyone's like, oh, well, how is this gonna work? 1107 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,000 Speaker 4: You know, And when you're there, there's a big tree 1108 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 4: that blocks and forces you that way, and you just 1109 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,680 Speaker 4: gotta have golf etiquette and and you know, it's it's 1110 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,880 Speaker 4: a place to have fun. And if you're gonna get 1111 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,040 Speaker 4: upset because of speeds of play or something like that, 1112 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,440 Speaker 4: like then just go back to your cottage. 1113 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:13,840 Speaker 5: And it has to be like a it's almost like 1114 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 5: a coincidence where people are at the exact same point 1115 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:17,880 Speaker 5: at the exact same time. 1116 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,440 Speaker 4: Well, I think, yeah, yeah, when you think about it, 1117 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,080 Speaker 4: I think it's also gonna be fun because you're gonna 1118 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,280 Speaker 4: have the people shout and be like, you know, cheering 1119 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,480 Speaker 4: on the person that they hit their shot on there. 1120 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,320 Speaker 4: The people on the tee on ten are gonna be 1121 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 4: watching the people hitt into one. It's just gonna create 1122 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,240 Speaker 4: this buzz around that pavilion. And then you got people, 1123 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:37,640 Speaker 4: you know, if they hit a hole in one, you 1124 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,960 Speaker 4: know there's gonna be people. We built the green on 1125 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,680 Speaker 4: ten so you have a really good view of sitting 1126 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,440 Speaker 4: at the pavilion of the full green surface. So and 1127 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,240 Speaker 4: we built a bunker that kind of hides a bit 1128 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,000 Speaker 4: of the green, so the ball will kind of hit 1129 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,200 Speaker 4: up on a slope and then kind of trickle down 1130 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 4: into the It could be a whole one. You got 1131 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,400 Speaker 4: the whole pavilion jumping up. People are excited, and and 1132 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,600 Speaker 4: then you got the guy you know, running down the 1133 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,480 Speaker 4: fairway there. I mean, it's just it's going to create 1134 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,200 Speaker 4: a buzz that I think, I think we need more 1135 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 4: in in golf. Is just that excitement and fun factor. 1136 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean Part three is the best spot 1137 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,720 Speaker 1: because everybody has a has a chance on the part 1138 00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,760 Speaker 1: of a Part three. You know, you could, you know, 1139 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: even if it's just for one shot, you can beat 1140 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,560 Speaker 1: the best player, you know. Yeah, and that's the beauty. 1141 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,600 Speaker 1: And there's a few things more thrilling than a whole one. 1142 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:30,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1143 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 1: So you know, we will be looking for next year, 1144 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,800 Speaker 1: next June ju Jun ye. 1145 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 2: And then I'll have to get up there definitely. 1146 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 4: Yeah be uh yeah, we we I think we tried to. 1147 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:44,960 Speaker 4: We try to get you up there for some rock 1148 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,240 Speaker 4: picking this year, but it didn't didn't see you show up. 1149 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,560 Speaker 2: I was had a busy summer. 1150 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,640 Speaker 4: We had a place for you to stay, had had 1151 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,680 Speaker 4: everything all set up, had had everything and you just 1152 00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:58,600 Speaker 4: just didn't show up. 1153 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,400 Speaker 1: I I mean it wasn't confirmed. 1154 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was always a tentative. 1155 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,520 Speaker 4: I wanted to go everybody. Everybody wants to come pick rocks. 1156 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,520 Speaker 2: I would love picking rock. 1157 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 4: Surprisingly well, the next project, we're gonna we're gonna put 1158 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 4: you on a dozer. Now you don't see and see 1159 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,280 Speaker 4: what you can do, you know, I mean I've seen 1160 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:25,000 Speaker 4: the the you know, the skills you have to scare possums, 1161 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,960 Speaker 4: and I wonder if you can like channel something with 1162 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,640 Speaker 4: that to like maybe pull it into golf design or 1163 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,360 Speaker 4: something like that with building or something. 1164 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think I'm gonna be very useful. 1165 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,560 Speaker 1: I've never been you know the uh, but. 1166 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:39,919 Speaker 2: I'll give it a try. 1167 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,640 Speaker 4: You know, one thing Andy is. 1168 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,480 Speaker 2: Those who can't do right Yeah, we'll say is. 1169 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,640 Speaker 4: That, you know, the years of watching the Frida Egg 1170 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,120 Speaker 4: and listening to you on the podcast and in the 1171 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:58,960 Speaker 4: work that you've been doing, I'm very appreciative of of 1172 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,959 Speaker 4: of the of what you've been doing and pushing and 1173 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,920 Speaker 4: uh firing some shots out there and and and making 1174 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,240 Speaker 4: people question what they're doing and and how they're going 1175 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,280 Speaker 4: about things. I think you've made some big impacts on it, 1176 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 4: and making on a few things that have happened in 1177 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,920 Speaker 4: the in the industry of making people question why are 1178 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,280 Speaker 4: we going down this path? And and and can we 1179 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,760 Speaker 4: do things better? And and I appreciate that, uh honesty 1180 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,880 Speaker 4: that you have to people and and and I look 1181 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 4: forward to more of that and uh and and. 1182 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,680 Speaker 2: I just hope I don't let you down like when 1183 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,400 Speaker 2: you wanted me to come pick rocks. 1184 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:43,440 Speaker 4: No, you you've redeemed yourself. So's I still will remember 1185 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 4: that that you're gonna have to You're gonna have extra 1186 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,600 Speaker 4: rock picking duties on the next project. 1187 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,680 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta just you gotta get send me 1188 01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,200 Speaker 1: a formal invite. I gotta get it on the calendar. 1189 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:54,960 Speaker 1: And that's uh. 1190 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,640 Speaker 4: And I'll put in I'll have a tenerary for you 1191 01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,919 Speaker 4: in the Google Maps, like to get you a zacht 1192 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,360 Speaker 4: to the place that you need to go. 1193 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,000 Speaker 1: If you talk to missus Friday, you know you'll find. 1194 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,240 Speaker 4: That time management and and and and I kind of 1195 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,680 Speaker 4: trusting the Google Google Maps and things like that is uh, 1196 01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 4: probably something they shouldn't do. 1197 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,440 Speaker 2: I'm I'm a self sabotager, Isn't it? 1198 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,000 Speaker 4: Isn't it? Also because like Chicago is all graded out, 1199 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,120 Speaker 4: you know? Is that why when when you when you 1200 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,600 Speaker 4: work off a grid system on roads where you kind 1201 01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:24,720 Speaker 4: of know where you need to be, and then you 1202 01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,560 Speaker 4: get in these other cities that don't have a grid 1203 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,200 Speaker 4: system and you just get lost. And I get you 1204 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,000 Speaker 4: end up like trying to get the winter Park, but 1205 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,000 Speaker 4: you like end up in Mam Millennia somewhere on like 1206 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,240 Speaker 4: I four and like five twenty eight, which is like 1207 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,440 Speaker 4: an hour and like well like two hours from Orlando. 1208 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:46,120 Speaker 2: Now I get lost, you know, I wake up lost. 1209 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,080 Speaker 4: So it's well, you found you found winter Park, which 1210 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,040 Speaker 4: was a good thing, and you're actually on time. 1211 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,640 Speaker 1: I've been here like three times. I know, you know, 1212 01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,720 Speaker 1: I get lost just in general with life. So yeah, 1213 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure I probably you know, my there are a 1214 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,320 Speaker 1: lot of skills that I don't have. 1215 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,600 Speaker 4: But we're all we're all learning, and uh that's that's 1216 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:06,080 Speaker 4: that's good. 1217 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,640 Speaker 1: So thanks for coming on, and uh, well next time, 1218 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,040 Speaker 1: hopefully we'll be talking after your next uh your your 1219 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,840 Speaker 1: eighteen first eighteen hall. 1220 01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,800 Speaker 4: Hopefully of course. Yeah, so thanks Franks, Andy