WEBVTT - Michael Berry - The Base Wants Trump

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody, Welcome to this episode of The Buck Sexton Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Very pleased, very fortunate to be joined by our friend

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Berry, the czar of Talk syndicated radio host Houstonian,

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<v Speaker 2>Texan American. Mister Michael Berry. Honored to have you on, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>Honored to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be with the zo you friend, Glad to be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>How's America doing right now? Let's start with that. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>just have Mike. I want Michael Berry and tell me

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<v Speaker 2>what is going on these days in America.

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<v Speaker 1>America is in a good spot when Buck Sexton can

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<v Speaker 1>fight Mark Zuckerberg and win and the whole nation has

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<v Speaker 1>to watch it. I'm very concerned. I didn't get to

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<v Speaker 1>hear it, but it has been reported to be by

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<v Speaker 1>listeners that Clay says that you can't beat Mark Zuckerberg.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I gonna tell you it's seat weigh in.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this is a filthy this is a filthy lie. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I I am stronger than I look, faster than I seem,

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<v Speaker 2>and more trained than people would realize Zuckerberg would.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you shot hair. You got a lot of hair,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Don't underestimate the helmet right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it protects. I mean, this is the thing people understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Like someone comes at me, I dropped the head down.

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<v Speaker 2>I could take shots right to the cranium. I won't

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<v Speaker 2>even feel them. I'll be like Bbie's bumping off of

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<v Speaker 2>a freight trade, not going to do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's what most people don't know. Because I know

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<v Speaker 1>your dad and we tend to get our fighting spirit

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<v Speaker 1>from our dad. I'm pretty sure that Mason is a

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<v Speaker 1>fighter and a scrapper, just based on what I know

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<v Speaker 1>of him. We tend to inherit that right. Our dad's

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<v Speaker 1>raise us. So I'm going with you. I don't think Zuckerberg, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to fight, and I appreciate. I appreciate that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, Zuckerberg, he's about five eight, so I

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<v Speaker 2>got about four inches on him. And and that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of a lizard man. You know that woman on

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<v Speaker 1>the plane that got off the plane and she said

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<v Speaker 1>he's not real. There's one version where he's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>scripted into there. That guy's not real. There's something wrong there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worse than just his actions and his evil deeds.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's a lizard man or something.

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<v Speaker 2>That woman has become a super mean as I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you've seen online.

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<v Speaker 1>She's kind of sexy. You gotta miss she's kind of sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>Date crazy women, I always think, man, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>freaking the sheets kind of Yeah, but you got to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with that, like that's gonna make somebody an awful

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<v Speaker 1>ex wife. I've been with my wife for thirty four years,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't imagine having somebody like that in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when you cut it off, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of crazy going on there. I'd like to learn more

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<v Speaker 1>of them. I'd like to know more to that crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something there.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't ever find out, meaning the general public did

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<v Speaker 2>never find out who she was, right for, anyone hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>seen this is the woman who points and she's screaming

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<v Speaker 2>about how someone's not on the plane. And it went very,

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<v Speaker 2>very viral, and it's a remarkable moment.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a remarkable moment you asked a serious question,

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<v Speaker 1>where are we in America? It's a remarkable moment where

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lack of honesty, there's a lack of discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lack of comfort and trust in the public conversation. Buck,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you get an email a lot that I get,

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<v Speaker 1>which is thank you for doing what you're doing, because

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<v Speaker 1>you say what I can't, and I got to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you I grew up. Maybe he's overly idealistic. I know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about you, and I know you're an idealistic

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<v Speaker 1>believer in America's promise and our principle and the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that most Americans, particularly conservative Americans, middle Americans, feel like

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<v Speaker 1>if they were to state their honest opinions, they would

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<v Speaker 1>lose their job, They would be socially ostracized, They may

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<v Speaker 1>be arrested, they would be humiliated, heckled, boycotted. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not the America I dream of. This is not the

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<v Speaker 1>America I believed in. And that bothers me more than

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<v Speaker 1>a Joe Biden cover up, more than a Hunter Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are all symptoms of a bigger problem, in my.

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<v Speaker 2>Opinion, Michael, is America still a free country?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know that's a fair question. No. I think

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to come up with a freedom index,

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<v Speaker 1>the answer would be no. And I'm not a person

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<v Speaker 1>who likes to bash my country. You know, my wife

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<v Speaker 1>being from India originally coming here in nineteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>she loves this country. But she always laughs that if

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<v Speaker 1>Americans create a sport and we have a competition and

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<v Speaker 1>it's only between Texas and Florida, we declare the winner

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<v Speaker 1>the world champion. So you know, I'm a person that

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<v Speaker 1>believes America is the best in everything. It does not

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<v Speaker 1>delight me to say we're not a free nation. It

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<v Speaker 1>pains me, but I see a level of tyrannical authoritarianism

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<v Speaker 1>in his country, not just related to COVID, But perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>that was the best example. You've asked a tough question,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think answer requires some tough answers, and that

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<v Speaker 1>troubles me. That bothers me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I think that if you look just back at

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<v Speaker 2>what a lot of places had to suffer through during

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<v Speaker 2>during COVID, we were clearly there was a period of

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<v Speaker 2>time in which the answer to the question is America

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<v Speaker 2>a free country was obviously no right. If they can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you you can't open your bar, you can't go

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<v Speaker 2>into your place of business, you can't go to your church.

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<v Speaker 2>So we did, for a period of time cease to

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<v Speaker 2>be a free country in any meaningful sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of places around the world your

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<v Speaker 2>point about freedom index, where if even a fraction of

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<v Speaker 2>what was done during COVID was being done, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to stay in your home, you have to limit the

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<v Speaker 2>number of people you have over We'd say that's an autocracy,

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<v Speaker 2>that's authoritarianism. There's something deeply wrong. But I also am

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit disappointed, not only about how many people

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<v Speaker 2>went along with it, but now that we know how

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<v Speaker 2>wrong it was, how few people seem to carry me. Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like more and more people want to be controlled.

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<v Speaker 2>Not all of us, but a lot of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there is a security to handing over the parental

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<v Speaker 1>authority of your life to someone else, to crawling into

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<v Speaker 1>a fetal position and an all carrying, benevolent, supposedly benevolent

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<v Speaker 1>government making decisions for you, to trusting them to decide

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<v Speaker 1>what I put into my body, what time I go

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<v Speaker 1>to bed. And as you know, many people are escapists

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't the weight of the world of making

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<v Speaker 1>these tough decisions is simply too much for them, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's unfortunate. But any government to which you hand over

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<v Speaker 1>the power to make decisions to do supposedly good things

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<v Speaker 1>to you can do bad things to you, and as

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<v Speaker 1>a student of history, you as much or more than

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else, understand the dangers of that. And that's what's

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<v Speaker 1>scary is when people don't understand why we need this

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<v Speaker 1>level of independent thought and action, because it's not all

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<v Speaker 1>comfort and blankets from the government.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you make of all the back and forth

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<v Speaker 2>over recently it's been politicization of the FBI. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we could take for granted here, we can

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<v Speaker 2>take for a settled part of this. Yeah, the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>is politicized. There's been very bad stuff that's happened, that's clear.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do feel like a little bit on the

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<v Speaker 2>right we've become addicted to, well, we're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>some good Republican congressmen. They're going to have a hearing

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<v Speaker 2>and they're going to pound the table and they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to ask some questions, and we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it on our shows, and it's going to be on

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<v Speaker 2>cable news at night, and then what do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, I do think there's a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a what is this all supposed to accomplish?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's frustrating because you know, you and I

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<v Speaker 1>are supposed to just be Look, let's let's lay the

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<v Speaker 1>cards on the table. Talk right. I was doing better

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<v Speaker 1>than it's ever done. It's making more money than it's

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<v Speaker 1>ever made. Conservative media, our careers are booming. That does

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<v Speaker 1>not delight me, you know, it does not make me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not pfeiser. I don't want a nation, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>under the throes of an epidemic. I want what's good

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<v Speaker 1>for my country. I still believe those naive ideas that

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<v Speaker 1>I believed in. You still believe those naive ideas that

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<v Speaker 1>led you to want to serve the country and the CIA.

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<v Speaker 1>I still believe. You know, my brother was a was

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<v Speaker 1>a just over thirty year police officer. So I've always

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<v Speaker 1>believed in the law enforcement officer and the mantra and

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<v Speaker 1>the creed and the motto and the service and the

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<v Speaker 1>selflessness and the sheep dog. And I always, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I loved the stories of the FBI catching the bad guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And I see what's happening with this incredibly, and the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI is more powerful it's ever been before. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just a guy with shoe leather and a gun and

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<v Speaker 1>a badge who can go out and arrest somebody. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a guy now and you know what your CIA background.

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<v Speaker 1>It's guys with technology. It's guys with the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>shut down your life, to do things that we've never

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<v Speaker 1>had the capability to do before. It's all powerful, and

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<v Speaker 1>I truly do believe that. At the top ranks, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're still good, good FBI agents. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>top ranks, it's people that have crossed over to the

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<v Speaker 1>dark side, and I'm not sure they have a limitation

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<v Speaker 1>on what they're willing to do, and it scares me.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to come back here in a second and

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<v Speaker 2>ask Michael to answer the question, what are you seeing

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<v Speaker 2>right now in the Republican primary that is most noteworthy

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<v Speaker 2>to you. But we'll get to that in a second. Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>dot org. Okay, so we are early here in the

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<v Speaker 2>primary process. Now it's not really a Democrat primary that

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<v Speaker 2>I'll probably ask you about that too, an RFK junior

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<v Speaker 2>here in a second, Michael, but what are you seeing

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<v Speaker 2>on the Republican side? What's surprising you, what's important to you?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think would need to change U?

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<v Speaker 1>So I think what is surprising is in full disclosure,

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<v Speaker 1>I have not endorsed a candidate, and I don't intend

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<v Speaker 1>to anytime soon, so that I can be free to

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<v Speaker 1>comment on the candidates. What has surprised me a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of things. So when Trump was first indicted in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>he has seen a meteoric, stratospheric rise in his popularity

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<v Speaker 1>among Republican primary voters. And you know, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>guessed you never know. I mean, it's easy to say

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<v Speaker 1>that what's happened. Everyone says that that's what they believed,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you go back and look and say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what you said. So one thing I would

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<v Speaker 1>say is Trump's popularity has increased so dramatically since that

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<v Speaker 1>first indictment, and it's continued since then. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>Trump himself changed, It is just that the voter really

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<v Speaker 1>really fell back in love with Trump. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>been an interesting phenomenon. Second was I think DeSantis had

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity and a lot of hope. I had not

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<v Speaker 1>watched DeSantis that closely, but I don't think he has

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<v Speaker 1>lived up to that promise so far. Now, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>around this process a very long time, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>you have as an officeholder, as a candidate running campaigns

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<v Speaker 1>and commenting on campaigns for a very long time. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're a long way away from January just yet, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have some ups and downs and swings

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<v Speaker 1>and all that. And DeSantis still has an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>win at all. But I see a lot of missteps

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<v Speaker 1>on his part.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's get into that. What if you were advising

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<v Speaker 2>him and you haven't endorsed. I haven't endorsed, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have a rule that I won't endorse during a primary.

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<v Speaker 2>But the same basic idea you have, mikel which is

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be able to talk about what Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is doing right, what I think Trump should should do differently,

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<v Speaker 2>what Vivek is doing right, you know, et cetera, all

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<v Speaker 2>the way down. DeSantis hasn't connected the way that at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, as reflected the polls people thought he would.

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<v Speaker 3>Why I think DeSantis is Trump is in DeSantis's head,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think he's too focused on Trump, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is where Trump is so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is you know, great basketball players, when when the

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<v Speaker 1>ref isn't watching the pull at your jersey right, they'll, they'll, they'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Bird was a smack talker. People don't realize to

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<v Speaker 1>what extent they play head games, and Trump is a

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<v Speaker 1>master of that. I mean, it's it's hard to estimate

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<v Speaker 1>for the average person how this guy taunts you and

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<v Speaker 1>how he does the things he does, the nicknames and

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<v Speaker 1>those sorts of things, and it gets into guy's head.

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<v Speaker 1>And I honestly think that DeSantis's problem is he's never

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<v Speaker 1>introduced himself as Ron DeSantis. He's introduced himself in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that he's almost responding to Trump and and and

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<v Speaker 1>part of the problem is the media and and people

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<v Speaker 1>only want to talk about Trump because love him or

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<v Speaker 1>hate him. There's a lot of drama there. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that makes it hard for the same and

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<v Speaker 1>he's having trouble finding his lane, and he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to find that if he's ever going to get

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<v Speaker 1>any traction, And thus far, I don't think he's done that.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about Glenn Youngkin in the mix

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<v Speaker 2>here in some capacity? Do you think he might get

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<v Speaker 2>in the governor Virginia or you think he's gonna wait

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<v Speaker 2>it out? What do you see?

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't see it making a bit of difference.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we all rooted for Glenn Younkin because he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't Terry mccaulliffe. I don't see him as as presidential

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<v Speaker 1>timber in twenty eight or anytime else. I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>see him as a guy with the gravitas. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to have an organization, right, You've got to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to raise money, you got to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to travel, you have to be able to have surrogates.

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<v Speaker 1>I was big for Ted Cruz in twenty sixteen. I

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<v Speaker 1>introduced him in Iowa the night before the big win.

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<v Speaker 1>People forget Cruise won Iowa. I hated Trump, I despised Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew to appreciate him as president, and I grew

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<v Speaker 1>to appreciate his skill set. But at that point I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't believe he was serious. I thought he was a fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he might be a trojan horse for the left.

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<v Speaker 1>I was very concerned with that. But I grew to

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate a guy that didn't raise money, didn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>surrogate team, but his mastery of mass media is unparalleled.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's no number two. The guy didn't need

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<v Speaker 1>to spend money, he got mass media. I just see

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<v Speaker 1>Younkin as a guy kind of like Asa Hutchison or

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Christy or whatever. Else. It's not that people like

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<v Speaker 1>him or they just don't care. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, he's somebody who feels like he's poked around a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit in a viveg is doing better than a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people would have anticipated. At latest Paul I

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<v Speaker 2>saw he was in third at eight percent. Eight percent's

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<v Speaker 2>way behind Trump at fifty something and DeSantis at twenty something.

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<v Speaker 2>But still there's there's a lot of time. As you noted,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you about the Democrat side.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say this, I think that I think that

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<v Speaker 1>I have to declared Vivek Ramaswamy as the winner of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four already. You don't need to cast the votes.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need to count the votes. Vivek doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>more votes than anybody else necessarily, But Vivek has gone

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<v Speaker 1>from a guy with a lot of money and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of great ideas and a lot of energy with

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to lose, who is now being quoted and engaged.

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<v Speaker 1>He is now having some level of influence all over

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<v Speaker 1>the country. He's having a blast. When's the last time

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<v Speaker 1>you saw Canada have fun. He's having a blast. People

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<v Speaker 1>are listening to him. His ideas are being bantered, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you disagree with them, he's coming off great. He

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<v Speaker 1>probably ends up a cabinet official, and whoever wins Desantees

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<v Speaker 1>or Trump, he probably ends up a cabinet official in

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<v Speaker 1>their in their White House. Otherwise he gets a national

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<v Speaker 1>TV show. I mean, that guy is having a blast,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's already won. He's come so far. Unless there's

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<v Speaker 1>a massive scandal, and I don't see it, that guy's

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest winner of twenty twenty four already.

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<v Speaker 2>He's done very well for himself, for sure. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you about the Democrats side, Michael in just

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<v Speaker 2>a second, because there's been some really interesting movement and

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<v Speaker 2>even more interesting theories about what's going to happen. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to that in just a moment, but look, there'll

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<v Speaker 2>be a day in your life if it hasn't happened already.

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<v Speaker 2>They come to appreciate owning gold. I'm talking about real gold, Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you own some gold?

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<v Speaker 1>I do own some gold.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I own gold. I think it's a good idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Gold is good, it's solid, and it's something that is

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<v Speaker 2>about long term value and preparation for an uncertain future.

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<v Speaker 2>You know who you should get your gold from, the

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<v Speaker 2>a hedge against inflation has been proven throughout history. Gold

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<v Speaker 2>and silver can be protection for your portfolio. Call the

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<v Speaker 2>trust eight three three four three zero buck. That's eight

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<v Speaker 2>four three zero buck. Okay. Is Joe Biden going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the Democrat nominee? Let's start with that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I never wanted to predict because you just end up wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>If I were to say today, I still think if

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<v Speaker 1>you're placing odds, I still think the odds are in

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<v Speaker 1>his favor. Now, the problem with the Democrats is they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a stalking horse in waiting. They don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a replacement in waiting. And I think there's a real

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<v Speaker 1>challenge for the Susan Rices and the people who are

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<v Speaker 1>running the country and using Joe Biden to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to wound Biden to get him to step down.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to scare him that, look, Hunter's going to

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<v Speaker 1>go to prison. You've got to step down so we

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<v Speaker 1>can save Hunter. And that might be enough for him

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, but you also don't want to wound

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<v Speaker 1>him so badly that if he doesn't step down, because

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<v Speaker 1>they still believe he's enough to allow him to allow

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<v Speaker 1>them to beat Trump. So I think that the odds

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<v Speaker 1>are still better for Joe Biden, if he's still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>that he's the nominee than anyone else. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>RFK ever gets there. I think Newsom is probably the candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>But look, we would have thought Diane Feinstein would be

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<v Speaker 1>out of the Senate by now because Adam Schiff was

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<v Speaker 1>shiving her in the back, but you know they hang around.

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<v Speaker 1>Or who would have thought Fetterman would be the candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the machinations behind the scenes as to the

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<v Speaker 1>utility of a guy like Biden are greater than the

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<v Speaker 1>average person quite understands, particularly when there's no one in

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<v Speaker 1>waiting that's the obvious choice. And I think in the

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<v Speaker 1>polling shows, Kamala Harris is even more unpopular than Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know that gets interesting. Look, Republicans have a

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<v Speaker 1>real challenge with the Trump issue versus DeSantis. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats have a real challenge with the Biden issue and

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<v Speaker 1>a lack of replacement. And the difference is the supposed

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<v Speaker 1>republic problem. A lot of Republicans loved Trump, No Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>love Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think is the biggest if you had

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<v Speaker 2>to focus in on one aspect of who we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden to be at this point, what is it

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<v Speaker 2>for you, like, what is the center of his core

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<v Speaker 2>of his character?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this would probably surprise some people to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but Joe Biden in the eighties was a man of

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<v Speaker 1>some conviction, and he was a man who acted on

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<v Speaker 1>those convictions. He was a relatively conservative Democrat who was

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<v Speaker 1>law and order. And that was all about Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>It was law and order, and he was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a middle of the road guy. Somewhere along the way

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<v Speaker 1>when he loses in eighty eight because of all his plagiarism,

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<v Speaker 1>which comes out when he loses in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>eight to what he called that clean, bright, articulate black guy,

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<v Speaker 1>which was one of the worst insults he ever could

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<v Speaker 1>have delivered. I think somewhere along the way, Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>said the Democrat Party left me behind. I'm a white

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<v Speaker 1>male and for me to talk my way into getting

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<v Speaker 1>to be their nominee and now staying as their president.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever idea they give me. Oh, you want trans people

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<v Speaker 1>at the White House showing their nipples, great, I've always

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<v Speaker 1>been for that. No you haven't. You want criminals to

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<v Speaker 1>not be prosecuted. I've always been for that. No you haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>You want I mean, it doesn't matter what they put

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<v Speaker 1>in front of him. He's anchorman and he'll read f you,

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<v Speaker 1>san Diego. He'll do what you tell him to do

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<v Speaker 1>if he just gets to stay there. He always wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be president and he's getting to be president, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can't forget that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna give you a moment to think about

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<v Speaker 2>this one before we go into our last sponsor, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is what is the idea that you feel

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<v Speaker 2>very strongly about these days that you get the most

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<v Speaker 2>This movie is great, or that thing is, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to come back. I want to know what

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<v Speaker 2>gets the tzar of talk some heat these days. And

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<v Speaker 2>you're digging in on it, and you're saying I'm all in,

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<v Speaker 2>what gets you the heat? Michael Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I got a heat yesterday because a listener pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>that I think that skid Rows eighteen in Life is

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<v Speaker 1>the best power ballad of all time, and everybody criticized,

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<v Speaker 1>but nobody could offer an alternative. My favorite rock band

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<v Speaker 1>of My favorite band of all time is Leonard Skinner,

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<v Speaker 1>and I catch a bunch of crap from people for that.

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<v Speaker 1>My second favorite band of all time is the band

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<v Speaker 1>and that's because people have never really studied their stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see, trying to think of a good political issue.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what's interesting, and I'm sure you've noticed this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not just and I told you so thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There were views I had three years ago that even

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<v Speaker 1>some friends were like, Michael, I love you, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>a little out there on the whole COVID thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really wow. And now they go, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want your head to get too big, but you

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<v Speaker 1>were right and so but you know, I disassociated and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doing what we do. Sometimes it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>socialize in a group because people listen to you all

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<v Speaker 1>day and so they want to be bombastic and argue

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<v Speaker 1>with you. And you've done that all day already. You just,

0:24:21.537 --> 0:24:22.817
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of want to have a beer and

0:24:22.817 --> 0:24:23.457
<v Speaker 1>not be bothered.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll give you. I'll give you a political one

0:24:25.617 --> 0:24:29.737
<v Speaker 2>that I that I stand behind, which is that people

0:24:29.857 --> 0:24:34.377
<v Speaker 2>underestimate the ability of the Democrat Party if it decides

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<v Speaker 2>to to elevate Kamala Harris and get a lot of

0:24:36.737 --> 0:24:38.497
<v Speaker 2>people to vote for I'm not saying that means she

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<v Speaker 2>would win against Trump, but if they could get her

0:24:41.937 --> 0:24:43.657
<v Speaker 2>to take over, for let's say they were able to

0:24:43.657 --> 0:24:46.697
<v Speaker 2>push Biden across the finish line, just theoretically, and then

0:24:46.737 --> 0:24:50.017
<v Speaker 2>she takes over as president, the whole system will switch

0:24:50.057 --> 0:24:52.937
<v Speaker 2>into how she's grown into the role and she's not

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<v Speaker 2>as terrible as we thought. And because I always point

0:24:55.217 --> 0:24:57.857
<v Speaker 2>I said, look at Biden was a joke. Biden was

0:24:57.897 --> 0:25:01.297
<v Speaker 2>a like a four percent candidate in two thousand and eight,

0:25:01.937 --> 0:25:04.577
<v Speaker 2>and look who ended up winning in twenty twenty, right,

0:25:04.577 --> 0:25:06.297
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just think that people are the psych

0:25:06.337 --> 0:25:06.777
<v Speaker 2>of argument.

0:25:07.017 --> 0:25:11.697
<v Speaker 1>Let me, let me offer an alternative, full disclosure. In

0:25:11.817 --> 0:25:16.817
<v Speaker 1>early twenty sixteen, really late twenty fifteen, I handicapped that

0:25:16.937 --> 0:25:19.017
<v Speaker 1>Kamala would be there at the finish line. She may

0:25:19.017 --> 0:25:21.417
<v Speaker 1>not win, but it would be her and someone else.

0:25:21.617 --> 0:25:26.537
<v Speaker 1>Her intersectionality score is the highest in history. She's a woman,

0:25:27.537 --> 0:25:31.977
<v Speaker 1>She's not white, She's she claims black. She claims Indians,

0:25:31.977 --> 0:25:36.337
<v Speaker 1>so you got the immigrants side. She claims law enforcement background,

0:25:37.177 --> 0:25:41.577
<v Speaker 1>but she also claims liberal California values. I mean she's

0:25:41.697 --> 0:25:44.777
<v Speaker 1>pretty much the anti Joe Biden. And then when she

0:25:44.937 --> 0:25:48.577
<v Speaker 1>went after Biden and said I'm that little girl on

0:25:48.617 --> 0:25:52.937
<v Speaker 1>the bus, that was a powerful moment. That was the

0:25:53.457 --> 0:25:57.457
<v Speaker 1>I knew John Kennedy, I served with John Kennedy. You're

0:25:57.577 --> 0:26:01.657
<v Speaker 1>no John Kennedy moment. She was out before Iowa. Something

0:26:01.737 --> 0:26:05.897
<v Speaker 1>about her people really don't like. And you know, the

0:26:05.937 --> 0:26:08.497
<v Speaker 1>polls show that people like Michelle Obama. I don't like

0:26:08.577 --> 0:26:11.897
<v Speaker 1>that fact, but the polls show it. People have a

0:26:12.017 --> 0:26:15.697
<v Speaker 1>visceral dislike of Kamala Harris and the Democrats have not

0:26:15.817 --> 0:26:18.097
<v Speaker 1>been able to fix that. And I'm not sure what

0:26:18.177 --> 0:26:21.297
<v Speaker 1>causes I love it that. I'm not sure what causes it.

0:26:21.617 --> 0:26:23.737
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I do have one. Let me go back

0:26:23.737 --> 0:26:25.897
<v Speaker 1>if you have a moment book to your earlier question,

0:26:26.577 --> 0:26:29.657
<v Speaker 1>and that is something that has been brewing of late.

0:26:29.737 --> 0:26:32.537
<v Speaker 1>You and I have a lot of friends, particularly Miami friends,

0:26:33.617 --> 0:26:39.817
<v Speaker 1>who are on both sides of the Trump Desantish debate,

0:26:40.497 --> 0:26:44.137
<v Speaker 1>and there seems to be this view in the DeSantis camp,

0:26:44.177 --> 0:26:46.657
<v Speaker 1>and some people that I really like and admires, seem

0:26:46.737 --> 0:26:49.657
<v Speaker 1>to have this and that is that we you and

0:26:49.697 --> 0:26:52.097
<v Speaker 1>I need to stand up and tell voters that Trump

0:26:52.177 --> 0:26:56.297
<v Speaker 1>can't win you and then when when when they don't listen,

0:26:56.377 --> 0:27:01.297
<v Speaker 1>then you, idiot Trump voters, Trump can't win, you, idiot

0:27:01.297 --> 0:27:05.257
<v Speaker 1>Trump voters. You're costing us. At some point, we can't

0:27:05.297 --> 0:27:09.257
<v Speaker 1>preach that we believe the voter should be sacra sainct,

0:27:09.457 --> 0:27:12.937
<v Speaker 1>and then in the second breath say, but you voters

0:27:12.937 --> 0:27:15.537
<v Speaker 1>are so stupid because you're part of the Trump cult.

0:27:15.777 --> 0:27:20.017
<v Speaker 1>If people want Donald Trump, whether Carl Rove thinks that's

0:27:20.057 --> 0:27:23.817
<v Speaker 1>the most strategic endeavor or not, doesn't matter. We're supposed

0:27:23.897 --> 0:27:27.057
<v Speaker 1>to respect the process of the everyday voter. And when

0:27:27.097 --> 0:27:29.457
<v Speaker 1>we say I'm smarter than you because I have a

0:27:29.537 --> 0:27:34.497
<v Speaker 1>national radio audience or TV audience or or newsletter or platform,

0:27:34.857 --> 0:27:38.257
<v Speaker 1>I think we're sending the wrong message to voters. And

0:27:38.297 --> 0:27:41.217
<v Speaker 1>it disturbs me that some people seem to have that

0:27:41.377 --> 0:27:44.577
<v Speaker 1>opinion DeSantis is the right choice, even if the voters

0:27:44.577 --> 0:27:47.937
<v Speaker 1>don't want That's not your best argument for Ron DeSantis.

0:27:48.017 --> 0:27:50.337
<v Speaker 1>So that's been something I've kind of been arguing with

0:27:50.377 --> 0:27:51.777
<v Speaker 1>folks over of late.

0:27:52.177 --> 0:27:54.057
<v Speaker 2>No, I think that's I think that's fair, and I

0:27:54.097 --> 0:27:56.777
<v Speaker 2>think that what you see with with the way that

0:27:56.857 --> 0:28:02.417
<v Speaker 2>conversation is evolving is if Ron is going to win,

0:28:03.057 --> 0:28:05.057
<v Speaker 2>he needs to be able to win over the base, right.

0:28:05.057 --> 0:28:09.137
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the electability argument to me is the whole

0:28:09.217 --> 0:28:11.657
<v Speaker 2>you know, the primary. Yeah, I understand you're not appealing

0:28:11.697 --> 0:28:14.457
<v Speaker 2>to the center the same way, but if you can't

0:28:14.577 --> 0:28:19.337
<v Speaker 2>win the primary, the general election is a whole level

0:28:19.377 --> 0:28:22.457
<v Speaker 2>beyond in terms of the organization, the endurance, the things

0:28:22.497 --> 0:28:24.257
<v Speaker 2>that are needed, the national messaging.

0:28:24.737 --> 0:28:27.337
<v Speaker 1>So because otherwise you're going back and saying, all right,

0:28:27.377 --> 0:28:29.497
<v Speaker 1>that was Jeb Bush who had all the money in

0:28:29.537 --> 0:28:32.817
<v Speaker 1>the world and the Bush family and all the you know, intelligentsia,

0:28:33.257 --> 0:28:35.977
<v Speaker 1>but the voters didn't want him. And then you go

0:28:36.017 --> 0:28:38.737
<v Speaker 1>back to twenty twelve Mitt Romney, the guy who's supposed

0:28:38.777 --> 0:28:41.617
<v Speaker 1>to be the most presidential guy ever. The base hates him,

0:28:41.617 --> 0:28:44.337
<v Speaker 1>he loses. You go back to two thousand and eight

0:28:44.457 --> 0:28:47.417
<v Speaker 1>John McCain, who hung around forever, but he's a senator,

0:28:47.457 --> 0:28:49.457
<v Speaker 1>he's a serious man, he's a good man. He should

0:28:49.457 --> 0:28:51.857
<v Speaker 1>be president. The base hated him. So I think at

0:28:51.857 --> 0:28:55.177
<v Speaker 1>some point you've got these guys that the insiders tell

0:28:55.217 --> 0:28:57.457
<v Speaker 1>you, you know, he can be the president. You've got to

0:28:57.497 --> 0:29:00.137
<v Speaker 1>win the base. And I think that's been a struggle

0:29:00.177 --> 0:29:04.977
<v Speaker 1>for DeSantis, and we partly underestimate he's been the governor

0:29:05.097 --> 0:29:07.977
<v Speaker 1>of Florida. It's going to take him some time. He

0:29:08.017 --> 0:29:10.657
<v Speaker 1>may well grow into it or he may not. But

0:29:10.777 --> 0:29:13.177
<v Speaker 1>I will say this, having been a cruise guy in sixteen,

0:29:13.777 --> 0:29:17.657
<v Speaker 1>the juggernaut that is Donald Trump is not to be underestimated.

0:29:17.697 --> 0:29:20.017
<v Speaker 1>And I think people do so at their peril. They

0:29:20.057 --> 0:29:24.337
<v Speaker 1>don't realize how beloved he is from your listeners, from

0:29:24.377 --> 0:29:26.977
<v Speaker 1>my listeners, and from voters. I mean, it's a deep,

0:29:27.137 --> 0:29:27.777
<v Speaker 1>deep bond.

0:29:27.857 --> 0:29:29.497
<v Speaker 2>There are so many ways. First off, I mean you

0:29:29.537 --> 0:29:32.457
<v Speaker 2>can look at you can look at twenty twenty and

0:29:32.497 --> 0:29:37.377
<v Speaker 2>see that it was about let's say, less than thirty

0:29:37.417 --> 0:29:41.057
<v Speaker 2>thousand votes that ended up being the difference in what

0:29:41.337 --> 0:29:45.417
<v Speaker 2>three states that were the deciding factor there. So you're

0:29:45.457 --> 0:29:47.817
<v Speaker 2>talking about being on the very tip of a razor's

0:29:48.017 --> 0:29:51.537
<v Speaker 2>edge in that election. So I can understand the arguments

0:29:51.537 --> 0:29:54.857
<v Speaker 2>that say, this time around, now that people have seen Biden,

0:29:54.897 --> 0:29:57.577
<v Speaker 2>they understand that the fraud of the whole Biden promised

0:29:57.617 --> 0:30:00.137
<v Speaker 2>that he was going to unite the country. And then

0:30:00.137 --> 0:30:02.497
<v Speaker 2>there's even also I always point this out, Michael, because

0:30:02.497 --> 0:30:04.097
<v Speaker 2>I say, no one can predict the future, which is

0:30:04.697 --> 0:30:07.257
<v Speaker 2>I say it not just to remind the audience, really

0:30:07.297 --> 0:30:09.577
<v Speaker 2>to remind myself. Nobody can predict the future. It is

0:30:09.617 --> 0:30:12.177
<v Speaker 2>a fact. You have so many you could have a

0:30:12.217 --> 0:30:15.897
<v Speaker 2>third party candidacy here, you could have Does Joe Biden

0:30:15.977 --> 0:30:18.137
<v Speaker 2>even make it? You know, I'm just saying the guys,

0:30:18.257 --> 0:30:20.577
<v Speaker 2>he's really old. Is he able to finish the campaign?

0:30:20.817 --> 0:30:23.297
<v Speaker 2>There are things that could up end the whole race

0:30:23.937 --> 0:30:27.457
<v Speaker 2>that could very easily mean that Donald Trump would win. So,

0:30:27.897 --> 0:30:30.257
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't think it's uh. I agree with

0:30:30.297 --> 0:30:34.337
<v Speaker 2>you that that the electability argument is this becomes a tautology, right,

0:30:34.377 --> 0:30:36.497
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know who's electable the guy who gets elected.

0:30:37.137 --> 0:30:40.417
<v Speaker 2>So you know, the electability argument is something people need

0:30:40.457 --> 0:30:44.377
<v Speaker 2>to be aware of how that flows. I think that

0:30:44.457 --> 0:30:48.377
<v Speaker 2>the argument that is you'll hear it from DeSantis, from

0:30:48.417 --> 0:30:51.777
<v Speaker 2>people that support DeSantis, I should say, is we need

0:30:51.817 --> 0:30:53.697
<v Speaker 2>to take a look back at what really happened while

0:30:53.737 --> 0:30:56.697
<v Speaker 2>Trump was president and assessed that in a way that

0:30:56.817 --> 0:31:01.137
<v Speaker 2>is different from what the prevailing narrative is within trumpworld.

0:31:01.137 --> 0:31:02.977
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I mean? That's the for some

0:31:03.017 --> 0:31:05.217
<v Speaker 2>of them, it's not even Kenny win, it's what's he

0:31:05.297 --> 0:31:07.377
<v Speaker 2>going to do if he does win based on what

0:31:07.417 --> 0:31:10.017
<v Speaker 2>he did the last time, And that in some ways

0:31:10.177 --> 0:31:12.697
<v Speaker 2>I think gets even more contentious. You know, that becomes

0:31:12.697 --> 0:31:15.337
<v Speaker 2>even more of a knockdown, throwdown kind of fight.

0:31:15.497 --> 0:31:18.177
<v Speaker 1>It does, especially because so many of the Disantis folks

0:31:18.217 --> 0:31:21.337
<v Speaker 1>were with Trump before and so now there is this

0:31:21.417 --> 0:31:23.657
<v Speaker 1>sort of Trump is the devil where you were with him,

0:31:23.657 --> 0:31:26.577
<v Speaker 1>and the other thing is you just can't Trump is

0:31:26.617 --> 0:31:29.177
<v Speaker 1>a slugger. I mean, one thing you have to admire

0:31:29.177 --> 0:31:31.817
<v Speaker 1>about Trump is, no matter how many times you knock

0:31:31.857 --> 0:31:34.537
<v Speaker 1>him down, whatever you may think of him, the guy's

0:31:34.577 --> 0:31:37.297
<v Speaker 1>a fighter. He's a brawler and he's going to be back.

0:31:37.817 --> 0:31:40.657
<v Speaker 1>And I've never seen a candidate like this before. I've

0:31:40.737 --> 0:31:43.977
<v Speaker 1>never in my life, even more so than Bill Clinton.

0:31:44.457 --> 0:31:47.777
<v Speaker 1>The guy, no matter what happens, he gives a speech

0:31:47.817 --> 0:31:50.057
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes later he goes, that's the speech you should

0:31:50.097 --> 0:31:52.897
<v Speaker 1>have been given for, you know, seven years. And it's

0:31:52.897 --> 0:31:54.897
<v Speaker 1>not un till he gets indicted that he delivers it

0:31:54.977 --> 0:31:57.737
<v Speaker 1>in that manner. So I think we're living through fast

0:31:57.817 --> 0:31:59.897
<v Speaker 1>for you and I, you know, getting the comment on

0:31:59.937 --> 0:32:03.337
<v Speaker 1>this in real time, it's an embarrassment of riches. I

0:32:03.417 --> 0:32:06.857
<v Speaker 1>worry about the country, but it's a really interesting time

0:32:06.897 --> 0:32:08.137
<v Speaker 1>to do what we do.

0:32:08.137 --> 0:32:10.497
<v Speaker 2>Do you think they want to lock Trump up? When

0:32:10.537 --> 0:32:12.897
<v Speaker 2>I say, want to, would they be willing to?

0:32:13.977 --> 0:32:16.857
<v Speaker 1>I do. I think they would be willing. But I

0:32:16.897 --> 0:32:19.617
<v Speaker 1>also think it's one of those if you go for

0:32:19.657 --> 0:32:21.897
<v Speaker 1>the king, you got to kill him. And I think

0:32:21.937 --> 0:32:24.217
<v Speaker 1>the fear is if we lock him up for one

0:32:24.297 --> 0:32:27.897
<v Speaker 1>minute and he gets out, it's Napoleon coming back, you know,

0:32:27.977 --> 0:32:31.817
<v Speaker 1>from Elba. I think there is the understanding that you

0:32:31.857 --> 0:32:34.977
<v Speaker 1>can't just send him into exile. If you go for him,

0:32:35.017 --> 0:32:37.897
<v Speaker 1>you better take him out, because he'll come back stronger

0:32:37.937 --> 0:32:40.817
<v Speaker 1>than ever. And I have maintained all along that Donald

0:32:40.817 --> 0:32:50.217
<v Speaker 1>Trump is, more than anything else, the projection of our hopes, dreams, fears, angers, resentments, slights, optimism.

0:32:50.657 --> 0:32:55.857
<v Speaker 1>We foist them upon him, and he is the canvas

0:32:55.977 --> 0:32:59.257
<v Speaker 1>upon which we paint our own lives. And so every

0:32:59.297 --> 0:33:01.657
<v Speaker 1>when we're angry with the FBI for what they do,

0:33:01.737 --> 0:33:05.777
<v Speaker 1>and then they wrong him by the Marlago raid, then

0:33:05.817 --> 0:33:10.537
<v Speaker 1>he becomes our outlet to punish them when we see

0:33:10.537 --> 0:33:12.777
<v Speaker 1>things that are done wrong. The media does wrong. When

0:33:12.857 --> 0:33:14.977
<v Speaker 1>Jake Tapper says, we're not going to show Donald Trump's

0:33:14.977 --> 0:33:19.337
<v Speaker 1>statements because he lies, but you'll show Joe Biden's statements

0:33:19.377 --> 0:33:22.817
<v Speaker 1>and he lies, You know, those sorts of things the

0:33:22.817 --> 0:33:26.297
<v Speaker 1>only way we can express how anger is to support

0:33:26.297 --> 0:33:28.697
<v Speaker 1>what Trump does, and in that way, he becomes an

0:33:28.777 --> 0:33:32.777
<v Speaker 1>instrument of all of us, good or bad. He becomes

0:33:32.777 --> 0:33:37.457
<v Speaker 1>an instrument by which we punish those people, and sometimes

0:33:37.457 --> 0:33:39.657
<v Speaker 1>we feel like we don't get to punish them. And

0:33:39.737 --> 0:33:42.217
<v Speaker 1>I think he understands that, and I think he bears

0:33:42.217 --> 0:33:44.977
<v Speaker 1>that burden, and I think that's his greatest asset and

0:33:45.057 --> 0:33:48.177
<v Speaker 1>maybe his greatest cross that he has to bear.

0:33:48.617 --> 0:33:51.817
<v Speaker 2>Who do you think the likeliest Let's assume it is Trump,

0:33:51.857 --> 0:33:54.497
<v Speaker 2>which right now the numbers certainly are indicating, although it

0:33:54.897 --> 0:34:00.417
<v Speaker 2>is early. Who is his vice presidential pick in your mind?

0:34:00.577 --> 0:34:03.937
<v Speaker 2>And why?

0:34:05.057 --> 0:34:09.057
<v Speaker 1>Very interesting question? And I've spent a fair amount of time.

0:34:09.297 --> 0:34:12.417
<v Speaker 1>There's some thought that that, you know, whether it's Brian

0:34:12.537 --> 0:34:13.657
<v Speaker 1>Kemp to bring.

0:34:13.417 --> 0:34:15.497
<v Speaker 2>In uh Georgia.

0:34:16.097 --> 0:34:18.417
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know. I don't know that I

0:34:18.497 --> 0:34:23.217
<v Speaker 1>buy that. You know, I've even had folks float the RFK.

0:34:23.577 --> 0:34:28.697
<v Speaker 1>I don't see that happening, but it's it's an interesting thing.

0:34:29.217 --> 0:34:31.857
<v Speaker 1>The reason you don't go for an RFK kind of

0:34:32.097 --> 0:34:34.177
<v Speaker 1>kind of candidate, you know, you think you think back

0:34:34.217 --> 0:34:37.177
<v Speaker 1>to the Lieberman days as a VP. The reason you

0:34:37.217 --> 0:34:39.577
<v Speaker 1>don't do that is because the base will punish you.

0:34:40.337 --> 0:34:43.057
<v Speaker 1>But the base is with Trump no matter what he does,

0:34:43.657 --> 0:34:48.297
<v Speaker 1>and that creates an interesting, uh paradox because it doesn't

0:34:48.377 --> 0:34:51.737
<v Speaker 1>keep Trump honest. I think sometimes he strays from from

0:34:51.777 --> 0:34:55.417
<v Speaker 1>where he should be because the base won't punish him.

0:34:55.857 --> 0:34:58.457
<v Speaker 1>But by the same token, it gives him the freedom

0:34:58.537 --> 0:35:01.577
<v Speaker 1>to do things like Nixon going to China because the

0:35:01.617 --> 0:35:06.577
<v Speaker 1>base will always forgive him. And so I don't know.

0:35:06.897 --> 0:35:10.177
<v Speaker 1>You know, you and I don't really have managers per se,

0:35:10.457 --> 0:35:12.857
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes maybe we get ourselves in trouble because of it.

0:35:13.217 --> 0:35:15.937
<v Speaker 1>But not having managers means we also have the flexibility

0:35:15.937 --> 0:35:17.777
<v Speaker 1>to do what we want to do. So there is

0:35:17.817 --> 0:35:21.697
<v Speaker 1>that challenge. I don't have the answer to that statement

0:35:21.817 --> 0:35:24.977
<v Speaker 1>just yet. I do think it's a woman. He will

0:35:25.017 --> 0:35:28.537
<v Speaker 1>never say it's going to be a woman, but I

0:35:28.577 --> 0:35:30.057
<v Speaker 1>do think it's a woman. I hope it.

0:35:30.097 --> 0:35:32.897
<v Speaker 2>Who do you think would be if you were advising him?

0:35:33.137 --> 0:35:35.777
<v Speaker 2>Who do you think would be the smartest female to

0:35:35.817 --> 0:35:37.137
<v Speaker 2>put on his ticket?

0:35:37.577 --> 0:35:41.497
<v Speaker 1>Christy Noum, that gorgeous woman from the Dakotas. Now, the

0:35:41.537 --> 0:35:44.737
<v Speaker 1>base doesn't like a lot of things about her, and look,

0:35:44.857 --> 0:35:47.137
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't deliver a big state that you weren't going

0:35:47.177 --> 0:35:50.417
<v Speaker 1>to win. Already, and then there's always the danger that

0:35:50.457 --> 0:35:53.937
<v Speaker 1>there's a Sarah Palin phenomenon that she looks silly, or

0:35:54.017 --> 0:35:57.417
<v Speaker 1>she looks like she's a performance artist or whatever else.

0:35:57.457 --> 0:36:00.257
<v Speaker 1>I think she's more serious than Sarah Palin. I'm not

0:36:00.297 --> 0:36:03.257
<v Speaker 1>a fan of hers, although I think she's gorgeous. But

0:36:03.417 --> 0:36:05.977
<v Speaker 1>I do think that he's smart enough to know that

0:36:05.977 --> 0:36:12.137
<v Speaker 1>that's a weakness and he can't have an old white conservative,

0:36:12.177 --> 0:36:15.737
<v Speaker 1>wingtip wearing Christian guy like Mike Pince. I think he

0:36:16.457 --> 0:36:20.097
<v Speaker 1>saw that as Pince not adding anything, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>think he wants I think he would want a woman

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<v Speaker 1>that might be more appealing to the base, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>to the suburban women, and I think that whoever pitches

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<v Speaker 1>that to him is going to win out. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>smart choice from an electoral perspective, not a who would

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<v Speaker 1>be great president. I think that's the smart choice.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody. You should go check out. You can listen live

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<v Speaker 2>to The Michael Barry Show on kt R h and Houston,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can also listen to the podcast of it

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<v Speaker 2>Barry Show. The Czar of Talk Mister Barry always an

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<v Speaker 2>honor sir, thanks for spending some time with us here.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate you. You're a good friend. Thank you, bub you too, Sir,