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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to this episode of The Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Very pleased, very fortunate to be joined by our friend

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Speaker 2: Michael Berry, the czar of Talk syndicated radio host Houstonian,

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Speaker 2: Texan American. Mister Michael Berry. Honored to have you on, sir,

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Speaker 2: Honored to.

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Speaker 1: Be with the zo you friend, Glad to be with you.

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Speaker 2: How's America doing right now? Let's start with that. Let's

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Speaker 2: just have Mike. I want Michael Berry and tell me

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Speaker 2: what is going on these days in America.

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Speaker 1: America is in a good spot when Buck Sexton can

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Speaker 1: fight Mark Zuckerberg and win and the whole nation has

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Speaker 1: to watch it. I'm very concerned. I didn't get to

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Speaker 1: hear it, but it has been reported to be by

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Speaker 1: listeners that Clay says that you can't beat Mark Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I gonna tell you it's seat weigh in.

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Speaker 2: This is this is a filthy this is a filthy lie. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I I am stronger than I look, faster than I seem,

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Speaker 2: and more trained than people would realize Zuckerberg would.

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Speaker 1: Have you shot hair. You got a lot of hair,

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Speaker 1: a lot. Don't underestimate the helmet right.

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Speaker 2: Well, it protects. I mean, this is the thing people understand.

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Speaker 2: Like someone comes at me, I dropped the head down.

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Speaker 2: I could take shots right to the cranium. I won't

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Speaker 2: even feel them. I'll be like Bbie's bumping off of

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Speaker 2: a freight trade, not going to do anything.

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Speaker 1: And here's what most people don't know. Because I know

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Speaker 1: your dad and we tend to get our fighting spirit

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Speaker 1: from our dad. I'm pretty sure that Mason is a

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Speaker 1: fighter and a scrapper, just based on what I know

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Speaker 1: of him. We tend to inherit that right. Our dad's

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Speaker 1: raise us. So I'm going with you. I don't think Zuckerberg, you.

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Speaker 2: Have to fight, and I appreciate. I appreciate that. You know,

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Speaker 2: first of all, Zuckerberg, he's about five eight, so I

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Speaker 2: got about four inches on him. And and that's.

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Speaker 1: Kind of a lizard man. You know that woman on

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Speaker 1: scripted into there. That guy's not real. There's something wrong there.

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Speaker 1: It's worse than just his actions and his evil deeds.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a lizard man or something.

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Speaker 2: That woman has become a super mean as I'm sure

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Speaker 1: She's kind of sexy. You gotta miss she's kind of sexy.

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Speaker 1: Date crazy women, I always think, man, you know, the

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Speaker 1: ex wife. I've been with my wife for thirty four years,

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Speaker 1: And then when you cut it off, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of crazy going on there. I'd like to learn more

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Speaker 1: There's something there.

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Speaker 2: We didn't ever find out, meaning the general public did

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Speaker 2: never find out who she was, right for, anyone hasn't

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Speaker 2: seen this is the woman who points and she's screaming

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Speaker 2: very viral, and it's a remarkable moment.

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Speaker 1: And it's a remarkable moment you asked a serious question,

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Speaker 1: where are we in America? It's a remarkable moment where

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Speaker 1: there's a lack of honesty, there's a lack of discussion.

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Speaker 1: There's a lack of comfort and trust in the public conversation. Buck,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you get an email a lot that I get,

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Speaker 1: which is thank you for doing what you're doing, because

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Speaker 1: you I grew up. Maybe he's overly idealistic. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot about you, and I know you're an idealistic

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Speaker 1: that most Americans, particularly conservative Americans, middle Americans, feel like

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Speaker 1: if they were to state their honest opinions, they would

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Speaker 1: lose their job, They would be socially ostracized, They may

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Speaker 1: be arrested, they would be humiliated, heckled, boycotted. This is

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Speaker 1: not the America I dream of. This is not the

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Speaker 1: a Joe Biden cover up, more than a Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1: Those are all symptoms of a bigger problem, in my.

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Speaker 2: Opinion, Michael, is America still a free country?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know that's a fair question. No. I think

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Speaker 1: delight me to say we're not a free nation. It

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Speaker 1: pains me, but I see a level of tyrannical authoritarianism

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Speaker 1: that was the best example. You've asked a tough question,

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think that if you look just back at

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Speaker 2: during COVID, we were clearly there was a period of

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Speaker 2: a free country was obviously no right. If they can

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Speaker 2: So we did, for a period of time cease to

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of places around the world your

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Speaker 2: that's authoritarianism. There's something deeply wrong. But I also am

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Speaker 2: wrong it was, how few people seem to carry me. Michael,

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Speaker 2: Not all of us, but a lot of us.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there is a security to handing over the parental

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Speaker 1: government making decisions for you, to trusting them to decide

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Speaker 1: that's unfortunate. But any government to which you hand over

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Speaker 1: the power to make decisions to do supposedly good things

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Speaker 1: anyone else, understand the dangers of that. And that's what's

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Speaker 1: scary is when people don't understand why we need this

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Speaker 2: What do you make of all the back and forth

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Speaker 2: over recently it's been politicization of the FBI. I mean,

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Speaker 2: is politicized. There's been very bad stuff that's happened, that's clear.

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Speaker 2: But I do feel like a little bit on the

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Speaker 2: and they're going to pound the table and they're going

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Speaker 2: what I mean, I do think there's a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a what is this all supposed to accomplish?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's frustrating because you know, you and I

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Speaker 1: I'm not pfeiser. I don't want a nation, you know,

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Speaker 1: for my country. I still believe those naive ideas that

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Speaker 1: I truly do believe that. At the top ranks, I

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Speaker 2: I want to come back here in a second and

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Speaker 2: ask Michael to answer the question, what are you seeing

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Speaker 2: right now in the Republican primary that is most noteworthy

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Speaker 2: I'll probably ask you about that too, an RFK junior

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Speaker 2: here in a second, Michael, but what are you seeing

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Speaker 1: So I think what is surprising is in full disclosure,

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Speaker 1: I have not endorsed a candidate, and I don't intend

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Speaker 2: He's done very well for himself, for sure. I want

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Speaker 2: set my pillow dot com promo code Buck. All right,

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Speaker 2: what gets you the heat? Michael Well?

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Speaker 1: I got a heat yesterday because a listener pointed out

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Speaker 1: that I think that skid Rows eighteen in Life is

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Speaker 1: the best power ballad of all time, and everybody criticized,

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Speaker 1: but nobody could offer an alternative. My favorite rock band

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Speaker 1: of My favorite band of all time is Leonard Skinner,

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Speaker 1: and I catch a bunch of crap from people for that.

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Speaker 1: My second favorite band of all time is the band

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Speaker 1: and that's because people have never really studied their stuff.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, trying to think of a good political issue.

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Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting, and I'm sure you've noticed this.

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Speaker 1: This is not just and I told you so thing.

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Speaker 1: There were views I had three years ago that even

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Speaker 1: some friends were like, Michael, I love you, but you're

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Speaker 1: a little out there on the whole COVID thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's really wow. And now they go, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't want your head to get too big, but you

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Speaker 1: were right and so but you know, I disassociated and

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Speaker 1: you know, doing what we do. Sometimes it's hard to

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Speaker 1: socialize in a group because people listen to you all

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Speaker 1: day and so they want to be bombastic and argue

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Speaker 1: with you. And you've done that all day already. You just,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of want to have a beer and

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Speaker 1: not be bothered.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you. I'll give you a political one

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Speaker 2: that I that I stand behind, which is that people

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Speaker 2: underestimate the ability of the Democrat Party if it decides

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Speaker 2: to to elevate Kamala Harris and get a lot of

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Speaker 2: people to vote for I'm not saying that means she

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Speaker 2: would win against Trump, but if they could get her

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Speaker 2: to take over, for let's say they were able to

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Speaker 2: push Biden across the finish line, just theoretically, and then

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Speaker 2: she takes over as president, the whole system will switch

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Speaker 2: into how she's grown into the role and she's not

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Speaker 2: as terrible as we thought. And because I always point

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Speaker 2: I said, look at Biden was a joke. Biden was

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Speaker 2: a like a four percent candidate in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 2: and look who ended up winning in twenty twenty, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just think that people are the psych

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Speaker 2: of argument.

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Speaker 1: Let me, let me offer an alternative, full disclosure. In

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Speaker 1: early twenty sixteen, really late twenty fifteen, I handicapped that

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Speaker 1: Kamala would be there at the finish line. She may

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Speaker 1: not win, but it would be her and someone else.

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Speaker 1: Her intersectionality score is the highest in history. She's a woman,

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Speaker 1: She's not white, She's she claims black. She claims Indians,

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Speaker 1: so you got the immigrants side. She claims law enforcement background,

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Speaker 1: but she also claims liberal California values. I mean she's

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Speaker 1: pretty much the anti Joe Biden. And then when she

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Speaker 1: went after Biden and said I'm that little girl on

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Speaker 1: the bus, that was a powerful moment. That was the

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Speaker 1: I knew John Kennedy, I served with John Kennedy. You're

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Speaker 1: no John Kennedy moment. She was out before Iowa. Something

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Speaker 1: about her people really don't like. And you know, the

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Speaker 1: polls show that people like Michelle Obama. I don't like

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Speaker 1: that fact, but the polls show it. People have a

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Speaker 1: visceral dislike of Kamala Harris and the Democrats have not

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Speaker 1: been able to fix that. And I'm not sure what

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Speaker 1: causes I love it that. I'm not sure what causes it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I do have one. Let me go back

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Speaker 1: if you have a moment book to your earlier question,

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Speaker 1: and that is something that has been brewing of late.

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Speaker 1: You and I have a lot of friends, particularly Miami friends,

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Speaker 1: who are on both sides of the Trump Desantish debate,

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Speaker 1: and there seems to be this view in the DeSantis camp,

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Speaker 1: and some people that I really like and admires, seem

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Speaker 1: to have this and that is that we you and

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Speaker 1: I need to stand up and tell voters that Trump

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Speaker 1: can't win you and then when when when they don't listen,

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Speaker 1: then you, idiot Trump voters, Trump can't win, you, idiot

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Speaker 1: Trump voters. You're costing us. At some point, we can't

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Speaker 1: preach that we believe the voter should be sacra sainct,

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Speaker 1: and then in the second breath say, but you voters

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Speaker 1: are so stupid because you're part of the Trump cult.

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Speaker 1: If people want Donald Trump, whether Carl Rove thinks that's

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Speaker 1: the most strategic endeavor or not, doesn't matter. We're supposed

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Speaker 1: to respect the process of the everyday voter. And when

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Speaker 1: we say I'm smarter than you because I have a

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Speaker 1: national radio audience or TV audience or or newsletter or platform,

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Speaker 1: I think we're sending the wrong message to voters. And

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Speaker 1: it disturbs me that some people seem to have that

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Speaker 1: opinion DeSantis is the right choice, even if the voters

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Speaker 1: don't want That's not your best argument for Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: So that's been something I've kind of been arguing with

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Speaker 1: folks over of late.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that's I think that's fair, and I

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Speaker 2: think that what you see with with the way that

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Speaker 2: conversation is evolving is if Ron is going to win,

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Speaker 2: he needs to be able to win over the base, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the electability argument to me is the whole

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Speaker 2: you know, the primary. Yeah, I understand you're not appealing

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Speaker 2: to the center the same way, but if you can't

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Speaker 2: win the primary, the general election is a whole level

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Speaker 2: beyond in terms of the organization, the endurance, the things

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Speaker 2: that are needed, the national messaging.

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Speaker 1: So because otherwise you're going back and saying, all right,

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Speaker 1: that was Jeb Bush who had all the money in

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Speaker 1: the world and the Bush family and all the you know, intelligentsia,

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Speaker 1: but the voters didn't want him. And then you go

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Speaker 1: back to twenty twelve Mitt Romney, the guy who's supposed

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Speaker 1: to be the most presidential guy ever. The base hates him,

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Speaker 1: he loses. You go back to two thousand and eight

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Speaker 1: John McCain, who hung around forever, but he's a senator,

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Speaker 1: he's a serious man, he's a good man. He should

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Speaker 1: be president. The base hated him. So I think at

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Speaker 1: some point you've got these guys that the insiders tell

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Speaker 1: you, you know, he can be the president. You've got to

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Speaker 1: win the base. And I think that's been a struggle

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Speaker 1: for DeSantis, and we partly underestimate he's been the governor

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Speaker 1: of Florida. It's going to take him some time. He

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Speaker 1: may well grow into it or he may not. But

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Speaker 1: I will say this, having been a cruise guy in sixteen,

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Speaker 1: the juggernaut that is Donald Trump is not to be underestimated.

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Speaker 1: And I think people do so at their peril. They

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Speaker 1: don't realize how beloved he is from your listeners, from

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Speaker 1: my listeners, and from voters. I mean, it's a deep,

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Speaker 1: deep bond.

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Speaker 2: There are so many ways. First off, I mean you

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Speaker 2: can look at you can look at twenty twenty and

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Speaker 2: see that it was about let's say, less than thirty

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Speaker 2: thousand votes that ended up being the difference in what

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Speaker 2: three states that were the deciding factor there. So you're

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Speaker 2: talking about being on the very tip of a razor's

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Speaker 2: edge in that election. So I can understand the arguments

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Speaker 2: that say, this time around, now that people have seen Biden,

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Speaker 2: they understand that the fraud of the whole Biden promised

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Speaker 2: that he was going to unite the country. And then

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Speaker 2: there's even also I always point this out, Michael, because

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Speaker 2: I say, no one can predict the future, which is

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Speaker 2: I say it not just to remind the audience, really

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Speaker 2: to remind myself. Nobody can predict the future. It is

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Speaker 2: a fact. You have so many you could have a

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Speaker 2: third party candidacy here, you could have Does Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: even make it? You know, I'm just saying the guys,

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Speaker 2: he's really old. Is he able to finish the campaign?

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Speaker 2: There are things that could up end the whole race

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Speaker 2: that could very easily mean that Donald Trump would win. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's uh. I agree with

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Speaker 2: you that that the electability argument is this becomes a tautology, right,

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know who's electable the guy who gets elected.

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Speaker 2: So you know, the electability argument is something people need

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Speaker 2: to be aware of how that flows. I think that

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Speaker 2: the argument that is you'll hear it from DeSantis, from

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Speaker 2: people that support DeSantis, I should say, is we need

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Speaker 2: to take a look back at what really happened while

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Speaker 2: Trump was president and assessed that in a way that

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Speaker 2: is different from what the prevailing narrative is within trumpworld.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? That's the for some

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Speaker 2: of them, it's not even Kenny win, it's what's he

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Speaker 2: going to do if he does win based on what

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Speaker 2: he did the last time, And that in some ways

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Speaker 2: I think gets even more contentious. You know, that becomes

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Speaker 2: even more of a knockdown, throwdown kind of fight.

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Speaker 1: It does, especially because so many of the Disantis folks

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Speaker 1: were with Trump before and so now there is this

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Speaker 1: sort of Trump is the devil where you were with him,

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Speaker 1: and the other thing is you just can't Trump is

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Speaker 1: a slugger. I mean, one thing you have to admire

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Speaker 1: about Trump is, no matter how many times you knock

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Speaker 1: him down, whatever you may think of him, the guy's

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Speaker 1: a fighter. He's a brawler and he's going to be back.

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Speaker 1: And I've never seen a candidate like this before. I've

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Speaker 1: never in my life, even more so than Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 1: The guy, no matter what happens, he gives a speech

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes later he goes, that's the speech you should

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Speaker 1: have been given for, you know, seven years. And it's

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Speaker 1: not un till he gets indicted that he delivers it

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Speaker 1: in that manner. So I think we're living through fast

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Speaker 1: for you and I, you know, getting the comment on

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Speaker 1: this in real time, it's an embarrassment of riches. I

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Speaker 1: worry about the country, but it's a really interesting time

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Speaker 1: to do what we do.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they want to lock Trump up? When

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Speaker 2: I say, want to, would they be willing to?

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Speaker 1: I do. I think they would be willing. But I

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Speaker 1: also think it's one of those if you go for

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Speaker 1: the king, you got to kill him. And I think

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Speaker 1: the fear is if we lock him up for one

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Speaker 1: minute and he gets out, it's Napoleon coming back, you know,

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Speaker 1: from Elba. I think there is the understanding that you

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Speaker 1: can't just send him into exile. If you go for him,

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Speaker 1: you better take him out, because he'll come back stronger

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Speaker 1: than ever. And I have maintained all along that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is, more than anything else, the projection of our hopes, dreams, fears, angers, resentments, slights, optimism.

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Speaker 1: We foist them upon him, and he is the canvas

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Speaker 1: upon which we paint our own lives. And so every

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Speaker 1: when we're angry with the FBI for what they do,

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Speaker 1: and then they wrong him by the Marlago raid, then

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Speaker 1: he becomes our outlet to punish them when we see

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Speaker 1: things that are done wrong. The media does wrong. When

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Speaker 1: Jake Tapper says, we're not going to show Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: statements because he lies, but you'll show Joe Biden's statements

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Speaker 1: and he lies, You know, those sorts of things the

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Speaker 1: only way we can express how anger is to support

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Speaker 1: what Trump does, and in that way, he becomes an

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Speaker 1: instrument of all of us, good or bad. He becomes

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Speaker 1: an instrument by which we punish those people, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: we feel like we don't get to punish them. And

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Speaker 1: I think he understands that, and I think he bears

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Speaker 1: that burden, and I think that's his greatest asset and

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Speaker 1: maybe his greatest cross that he has to bear.

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Speaker 2: Who do you think the likeliest Let's assume it is Trump,

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Speaker 2: which right now the numbers certainly are indicating, although it

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Speaker 2: is early. Who is his vice presidential pick in your mind?

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Speaker 2: And why?

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Speaker 1: Very interesting question? And I've spent a fair amount of time.

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Speaker 1: There's some thought that that, you know, whether it's Brian

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Speaker 1: Kemp to bring.

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Speaker 2: In uh Georgia.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I don't know that I

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Speaker 1: buy that. You know, I've even had folks float the RFK.

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Speaker 1: I don't see that happening, but it's it's an interesting thing.

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Speaker 1: The reason you don't go for an RFK kind of

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Speaker 1: kind of candidate, you know, you think you think back

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Speaker 1: to the Lieberman days as a VP. The reason you

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Speaker 1: don't do that is because the base will punish you.

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Speaker 1: But the base is with Trump no matter what he does,

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Speaker 1: and that creates an interesting, uh paradox because it doesn't

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Speaker 1: But by the same token, it gives him the freedom

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Speaker 1: to do things like Nixon going to China because the

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Speaker 1: base will always forgive him. And so I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You know, you and I don't really have managers per se,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes maybe we get ourselves in trouble because of it.

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Speaker 1: But not having managers means we also have the flexibility

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Speaker 1: to do what we want to do. So there is

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Speaker 1: that challenge. I don't have the answer to that statement

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Speaker 1: just yet. I do think it's a woman. He will

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Speaker 1: never say it's going to be a woman, but I

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Speaker 1: do think it's a woman. I hope it.

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Speaker 2: Who do you think would be if you were advising him?

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Speaker 2: Who do you think would be the smartest female to

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Speaker 2: put on his ticket?

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Speaker 1: Christy Noum, that gorgeous woman from the Dakotas. Now, the

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Speaker 1: base doesn't like a lot of things about her, and look,

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Speaker 1: she doesn't deliver a big state that you weren't going

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Speaker 1: to win. Already, and then there's always the danger that

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Speaker 1: there's a Sarah Palin phenomenon that she looks silly, or

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Speaker 1: she looks like she's a performance artist or whatever else.

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Speaker 1: I think she's more serious than Sarah Palin. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a fan of hers, although I think she's gorgeous. But

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Speaker 1: I do think that he's smart enough to know that

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Speaker 1: that's a weakness and he can't have an old white conservative,

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Speaker 1: wingtip wearing Christian guy like Mike Pince. I think he

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Speaker 1: saw that as Pince not adding anything, and so I

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Speaker 1: think he wants I think he would want a woman

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Speaker 1: that might be more appealing to the base, I mean

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Speaker 1: to the suburban women, and I think that whoever pitches

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Speaker 1: that to him is going to win out. That's the

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Speaker 1: smart choice from an electoral perspective, not a who would

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Speaker 1: be great president. I think that's the smart choice.

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Speaker 2: Everybody. You should go check out. You can listen live

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Speaker 2: to The Michael Barry Show on kt R h and Houston,

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Speaker 2: but you can also listen to the podcast of it

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Speaker 2: Barry Show. The Czar of Talk Mister Barry always an

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Speaker 2: honor sir, thanks for spending some time with us here.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you. You're a good friend. Thank you, bub you too, Sir,