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Speaker 1: Producer Tasha san Novala and I are driving around Greater

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Speaker 1: Miami in bumper to bumper traffic, weaving through a maze

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Speaker 1: of flashy billboards and Spanish language advertisements, getting lost. I

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Speaker 1: don't think this is the right thing. Oh it's hot

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Speaker 1: and humid. To make it through the long we put

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Speaker 1: go to Patelitoscortellitos.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here are the pasilitos and I'm having pastelava.

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Speaker 1: Guava and cheese filled puff pastries perfectly golden and warm

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Speaker 1: as staple that says here Versailles, Cuban.

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Speaker 2: Seeing the world's most famous Cuban restaurant.

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Speaker 1: Today, we are stopping at Laventanita at Cafe Versailles on

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Speaker 1: La Kayocho. This is a historic gathering point Cubans in Miami.

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Speaker 3: Okay, cafe in Mamma.

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Speaker 2: Fiver to seem past.

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Speaker 1: This is the kind of stuff that makes Miami feel

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Speaker 1: so familiar to me. The food, the flora.

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Speaker 4: It's flambo.

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Speaker 1: Miami, and it's Flamboyan. It's in late spring. Giant trees

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Speaker 1: with blooming red flowers, just like the ones that blooming Cuba.

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Speaker 1: My mom and dad. Most of my family lives here

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Speaker 1: in Miamilora. I get why so many Cubans settled in Miami.

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Speaker 1: On paper, it would be the perfect city for me,

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Speaker 1: But in reality, there is something I have learned about Miami,

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Speaker 1: something my dad recently reminded me of Miami.

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Speaker 5: They say the banning consumed.

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Speaker 6: I get all the.

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Speaker 1: Politic Miami makes you realize that everything is about politics,

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Speaker 1: which honestly reminds me of one of the reasons living

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Speaker 1: in Cuba can be so hard, because everything there is

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Speaker 1: also political. In a way, the Alianzaga tea is out

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Speaker 1: something that's true of Cubans as a people on and

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Speaker 1: off the island. We are one people with one specific

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Speaker 1: fissure Colamic Medius in Crassia. We're very stubborn and hard

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Speaker 1: lined and have strongly held opinions about everything. If you

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Speaker 1: see two Cubans debating something, you will probably see us

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Speaker 1: screaming at each other, and the topic really doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: We are not fighting. We don't even consider it rude.

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Speaker 1: It's just how we are. You have probably heard jokes

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Speaker 1: about it. Mexican American comedian Gabili Lsias joked about his

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Speaker 1: experience at like Aretta one of my favorite human restaurants

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Speaker 7: Here comes the waiter, and the waiter's coming over and

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Speaker 7: he gets in my face and he's like to care.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 1: All the stereotypes aside. We're just very passionate people. We

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Speaker 1: are passionate about dancing, composing, great music, loving and of

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Speaker 1: course politics. And when it came to Elian, each side

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Speaker 1: of the Florida Straits had its own deeply rooted beliefs

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Speaker 1: and there would be no compromising. When I started reporting

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Speaker 1: for this podcast, my dad told me I was gonna

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Speaker 1: get in trouble. I didn't.

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Speaker 3: And Miami because it is a rough topic, he says.

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Speaker 1: And after so many years, people still feel really passionately

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Speaker 1: about it. And pennileraes and this is chest Peace. Delian

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Speaker 1: Gonzalez Story a production of Utuda Studios in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Iheart's Michael Tura podcast Network.

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Speaker 8: I want what's best for him and what he wants,

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Speaker 8: you know, I'm not I don't.

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Speaker 5: Want to be gritty and I don't want to be selfish.

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Speaker 1: That's Mary Lazy Gonzalez. Remember she's Alan's cousin in Miami.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety nine, she was just twenty one years old,

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Speaker 1: and she and Elian became close while he was in

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Speaker 1: Mary Lacy's spoke about caring for Alien, about showing him tenderness.

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Speaker 1: He was sitting there, he was about to have soup.

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Speaker 1: The first thing I said was, don't eat that. This

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Speaker 1: is her in the twenty seventeen CNN documentary Alien. She

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Speaker 1: seems to remember him lovingly. So he just looked straight

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Speaker 9: And I'm like, yes, don that will get you something

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Speaker 9: better than that.

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Speaker 1: That moment was our first connection. So she became Alien's

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Speaker 5: She was like a mother figure to him.

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Speaker 9: Yellowco Hill, Locot Hill lay for Mamaqi momento and.

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Speaker 1: I always think of his cousin that fought so hard

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Speaker 1: force to be reckoned with. Some journalists have to said

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Speaker 1: that leaders in the Quban American exiled community in Miami

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Speaker 1: influenced Mary Leesy's behavior, but many years one of the

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Speaker 1: Gonzales family lawyers told us it wasn't about politics. He

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Speaker 1: became mayor of Miami in two thousand and one, about

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to spend the next six months of

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Speaker 6: what is in the best interest of the family and

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Speaker 1: Whatever was behind it, This constant media attention became Mary

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Speaker 1: Leesy's life, and it took its toll. She was even

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Speaker 6: Went through difficult times. If you remember, you know one

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Speaker 6: And you gotta understand, this is as stressful as an

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Speaker 1: But Mary Lesy's had become a symbol. She was sacrificing

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Speaker 1: herself for a lean to raise him and what she

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Speaker 1: believed was freedom. That was a clear message, let's not

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Speaker 2: Let's make it like everybody else that comes to this

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Speaker 1: We tried reaching out to Mary Lecy's directly and indirectly.

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Speaker 1: I even wrote her a handwritten letter.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm now in the past office. Hopefully she will

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Speaker 1: But we did in her back money confirmed that she

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Speaker 6: And I think she was already you know, sweet and vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: And looking back on the footage of her so young

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Speaker 1: have felt enormous pressure. So we respect Mary Lacy's decision

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Speaker 1: Cuban American community leaders coached her or not. What we

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Speaker 1: do know is that for the exile community, Lian's custody

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Speaker 1: case had higher stakes beyond the boy. This case was

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Speaker 1: also a power struggle between two ideological camps, those who

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Speaker 10: One of the misconceptions that was surprisingly widespread in saga

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Speaker 1: That's Bernie Permotter, law professor at the University of Miami.

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Speaker 1: He told us that the Gonzales family in Miami, including

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Speaker 1: Mary Lacy's, had Alian in their temporary care, not in

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Speaker 1: Elian's great uncle, Lasaro, had filed three asylum applications for

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Speaker 7: I believe that the people involved in this situation care

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Speaker 7: about the little boy and want to do what's right

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Speaker 1: That's Janet Reno, Attorney General and head of that Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice. Renal happened to be a Miami native. She

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Speaker 1: understood this was a difficult case for Miami Cubans. She

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Speaker 1: oversaw an investigation into the case by the Immigration Naturalization Service.

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Speaker 9: The ions Irons met twice with the father in Cuba

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Speaker 1: That's Ions Commissioner Doris Meisner. On January fifth, two thousand.

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Speaker 9: After careful evaluation of the relevant facts, IRONS has determined

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Speaker 9: that mister Juan Gonzalez of Cuba has the sole legal

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Speaker 9: authority to speak on behalf of his son, Elion. Regarding

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Speaker 9: Elion's immigration status in the United States. We have determined

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Speaker 9: that Elion should be reunited with his father, mister Juan Gonzales.

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Speaker 11: Or d me ask you about your reaction.

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Speaker 1: They're only letting the dad decide what's best for the kid.

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Speaker 1: Without his dad and not having the freedom to get

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Speaker 1: my family. To Miami Cubans, the Ionis decision felt like

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Speaker 8: Miami is a very insular place as an incubator for ideology.

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Speaker 1: This is Guillermo Grenier, sociologists at Florida International University with

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Speaker 1: so much revolves around politics. Well, that's because there is

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Speaker 8: It provades everything, It provades the education in the schools,

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Speaker 1: It informed why Miami Cubans felt so deeply about the lean.

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Speaker 8: They came over. The identity was the ideology.

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Speaker 1: So what is this traditional of Cuban American exile ideology.

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Speaker 1: Giermo talked about a few core ideas. Number one, resisting

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Speaker 8: We were the backyard of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Remember, the Quban elite often had close business ties with

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Speaker 8: The Cuban American identity in the United States initially was

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Speaker 8: They did not have to be taught to be pro American.

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Speaker 1: The first wave of exiles truly believed the revolution could

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Speaker 8: They were fueled by the certainty that the United States

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Speaker 1: So typically, early wave exiles really believed that the US

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Speaker 8: You're not for travel to Cuba. You're not for opening

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Speaker 1: And finally number four, rejecting an immigrant identity.

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Speaker 8: You don't want to be immigrants. You want to go

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Speaker 1: Those who embodied traditional exile ideology believe they were forced

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Speaker 1: there are exiles in the United States. Of course, some

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Speaker 1: Cuban Americans disagree on this tenant. For example, some may

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Speaker 1: So for the most part, these beliefs have evolved and

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Speaker 1: in the eighties or nineties are more likely to oppose

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Speaker 1: or even tomorrow you could be living in a free Cuba.

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Speaker 1: But by nineteen ninety nine, the year Eleana arrived in Florida,

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Speaker 8: Elian comes, Fidel hasn't gone down. Everybody is not happy

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Speaker 1: If he went back to Cuba, Elean will be a

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Speaker 1: This is Ramonzael Sanchez. He is a well known activist

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Speaker 5: I wanted always for the young consalate situation to be

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Speaker 5: I already no fortunes.

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Speaker 5: I've been in exiled since nineteen sixty seven, since I

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Speaker 1: He is an exiled through and through. His life has

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Speaker 1: Years old, and this fight was not all is peaceful.

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Speaker 5: I got involved with Alpha sixty six, a legal organization

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Speaker 1: This is how Ramons is it. We weren't able to

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Speaker 5: And there I trained on the struggle, on the guerrilla

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Speaker 4: Just at Aver from which just rushed. Not a may

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Speaker 5: The event that someday we could go back and free Cube.

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Speaker 1: In fact, unlike most given Americans, Ramon never went through

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Speaker 5: When we came here at the beginning, in our minds,

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Speaker 1: Then in the early nineteen eighties, he refused to testify

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Speaker 5: I refused to talk because of principles, a matter of conscience.

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Speaker 1: So he went to prison. It was Ramon's time in

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Speaker 5: And I decided that we had to go to other methods,

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Speaker 1: However, those first decades of exile life in Miami were

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Speaker 1: easy to conclude that exile ideology was the only reason

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Speaker 1: But I think it's more layered than that. The ideology

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Speaker 1: is informed by very real experiences and trauma, and Cuban

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Speaker 1: Americans genuinely believed Elean would be safer and have a

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Speaker 2: Could you describe what is Layoma?

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Speaker 5: So Juma refers to the United.

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Speaker 1: States Juma, It's a very common Cuban term. No one

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Speaker 1: classic three ten to Yuma, as in Yuma Arizona. The

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Speaker 11: Sula Man scared but brave, would run an out locked

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Speaker 1: Another theory is that Juma is simply an abbreviated Cubanism

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Speaker 2: So in Cuba, if you said mekehery Palayoma, what does that.

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Speaker 5: Mean, You're saying you want to come to the United States.

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Speaker 1: Mikero i Palayoma. It's what all Cuban Americans had done.

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Speaker 1: They had left Cuba to come and stay in Layoma. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why they assumed Elian also wanted to stay in

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Speaker 1: the US. But soon Elian himself would say something very controversial,

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Speaker 1: and his words would deepen the ideological divide. We are

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Speaker 1: in a neighborhood called Little Havana. While reporting in Miami,

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Speaker 1: Tasha and I stopped at the house where Alien stayed

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Speaker 2: Imagine the same place that now looks so peaceful and quiet,

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Speaker 2: surrounded by people all the time. LeAnn will come to

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Speaker 2: big contrast to see this house in a regular day,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's now a career going the circus that people

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Speaker 2: If you see the pictures of those days and the videos,

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Speaker 1: It's actually pretty big. Now.

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Speaker 2: I realized it looked tiny because it was so packed.

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Speaker 1: With people, people who wanted the liand to stay in

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Speaker 1: the US. After initial anger over the ions decision, on

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Speaker 10: A bunch of lawyers rose up and agreed to represent

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Speaker 1: Law professor Berni Permoter. Again, the Miami family wanted to

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Speaker 1: Family Court granted lazarro Anzalez, Elian's great uncle, temporary legal

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Speaker 10: And that he, as I understand it, and as I recalled,

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Speaker 1: Shortly after the ruling, the judge was reported to have

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Speaker 2: This place is not that far from the Miami Airport,

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Speaker 1: Things, yokyoke, I want to be returned to Cuba. Well,

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Speaker 1: at least that's what the media initially reported Elean said,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be returned to Cuba. It sounds

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Speaker 1: You can hear the same thing, but here two completely

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Speaker 1: After all, he was being showered with many gifts in Miami.

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Speaker 1: He seemed to have everything he could ever need. He

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Speaker 11: Can you give us a sense of timing and in

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Speaker 11: particularly because the boy's going to school, he's making friends,

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Speaker 7: Whatever happens with respect to the little boy, it should

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Speaker 1: This is our Department of Justice briefing just after the

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Speaker 7: I think the process that was used by Ions is

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Speaker 1: She agreed with the Ions decision to reunite Alien with

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Speaker 7: We are just trying to make sure that people understand

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Speaker 1: This is what was an issue for the United States

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Speaker 1: about opposing Castro and reaffirming life in Alexilion. That was

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Speaker 1: the through line, the tension underlying everything. The alien case

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Speaker 1: would only magnify that, bringing it to the foreground and

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Speaker 1: leaving zero room for nuance. If you didn't agree that

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Speaker 1: stuff like Varoque music concerts and in Miami. Well, I

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be told what I can and

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Speaker 1: but to his frustration, some Americans questioned his free will.

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Speaker 12: If you are living in Cuba, you're living in a

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Speaker 12: your child's life and a democratic society where life would

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