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Speaker 3: All right, good morning, and welcome to Breaking Points. First

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Speaker 3: day of Ramadan. Yes, well, it's one of those holiday

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Speaker 3: where I'm like, I.

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Speaker 4: Just I don't think I could do it. Yeah, it's tough,

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Speaker 4: but no water too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Lent, it's the first day of Lent for to day.

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Speaker 4: FasTIS do they always line up or no?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. Sure, let us know.

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Speaker 4: We don't know anything about any of this.

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Speaker 5: But I'm Protestant.

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Speaker 3: Good luck on all of it. It's like I'm impressed

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Speaker 3: by the commitment to it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, stick to it. We'll be rooting you on here

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Speaker 5: from behind the desk.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well quenched, well fed, from behind the desk exactly.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's the time you remember, well quenched, well fed

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Speaker 5: behind it perfect.

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Speaker 4: All right, So we got more Jeffrey Epstein news, sure do.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about all of the Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 3: news and then we're also going to talk about some

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Speaker 3: new drop site reporting.

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Speaker 4: Uh wild story that I did with mos about how.

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein and a hub Rock used the Boca Ram

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Speaker 3: crisis to say, you know, want you to let us

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Speaker 3: surveillance technology and we'll see see see if we can

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Speaker 3: help you out. They even like they went to a

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Speaker 3: Christian school in Nigeria. We're like, don't you wouldn't you

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Speaker 3: guys like a little power plant near there so you

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Speaker 3: can power the school. They wound up with facial recognition

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Speaker 3: technology instead.

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Speaker 4: It was a package and then.

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Speaker 3: He flips those contacts into a deal for his buddy

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Speaker 3: over at due by Ports World to be able to

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Speaker 4: Just fun. And then we were also going.

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Speaker 3: Through the the emails continuing over Jmail and found that

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Speaker 3: the Israeli Consulate in the UN Permanent Mission had Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: Epstein's apartment under surveillance well a couple of years, so

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Speaker 3: a Barrock would stay there, and because he would stay there,

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Speaker 3: they then team linked up with the consulate to put

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Speaker 3: Epstein apartment they had to run them through the Israeli Consulate.

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Speaker 5: That's a big find, Yeah, I think so that's a

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, I think that's a pretty It's gonna be

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Speaker 5: We're going to break it down. So we've got lots

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Speaker 5: and lots of Epstein news today. Also a video of

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Speaker 5: Hillary Clinton having a meltdown getting asked some basic questions

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Speaker 5: about all of this. Ryan, there's a skinny for her.

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Speaker 5: Was that rough she's been having? This is the second

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was not a good showing for her. Also,

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Speaker 5: we're working on apparently an Iran deal. We'll see how

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Speaker 3: So it's some administration definitely serious about negotiations this time,

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Speaker 5: Ryan found a really funny Trump quote on this that

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Speaker 5: we will save for that block another boat strike another

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Speaker 5: So we'll break that down. We are technically in a

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Speaker 3: Yes, and now he's also calling for some tax increases

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Speaker 3: it done. We will break It's February and he's delivering

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Speaker 5: We'll break all that down. And new updates in Sudan

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Speaker 5: that we have come in as well.

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Speaker 4: Hope. Yes, there's.

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Speaker 3: Finally some US pressure toward a resolution. We'll see what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, I always look forward to it. All right,

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Speaker 5: let's start with Hill Clinton, who was sitting for an

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Speaker 5: ends up happening and how it ends up happening. But

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Speaker 5: Hillary Clinton sat for an interview with the BBC. Here

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Speaker 5: is her response to some questions about Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 6: You regret the links that they have been.

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Speaker 5: You know, we have no links.

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Speaker 7: We have a very clear record that we've been willing

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Speaker 7: to talk about, which my husband has said he took

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Speaker 7: some rides on the airplane for his charitable work.

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Speaker 5: I don't recall ever meeting him.

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Speaker 6: Do you have a meeting?

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Speaker 7: I did on a few occasions, and thousands of people

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Speaker 7: go to the Clinton Global Initiative, So to me, is

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Speaker 7: not something that is really at the heart of what

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Speaker 7: cases were convicted of horrific crimes against girls and women.

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Speaker 6: That should be the focus.

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Speaker 7: And we are more than happy to say what we know,

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Speaker 7: which is very limited and totally unrelated to their behavior

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Speaker 7: or their crimes. And we want to do it in

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Speaker 8: There are calls for another individual who denies from doing

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Speaker 8: to go before Congress on this massa Andrew Mountbatten Windsor,

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Speaker 6: Do you think he should testify? I think everybody should testify, well,

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Speaker 6: including the former prince.

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Speaker 7: I think everybody should testify who was asked to testify.

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Speaker 7: I just want it to be fair. I want everybody

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Speaker 7: treated the same way. That's not true for my husband

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Speaker 7: and me. Because other witnesses were asked to testify, they

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Speaker 7: gave written statements under oath. We offered that they want

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Speaker 7: to pull us. Why did they want to pull us

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Speaker 7: into this? To divert attention from President Trump? This is

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Speaker 7: not complicated.

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Speaker 5: Quote we have no links. I will turn now to

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Speaker 5: the breaking points on Budsman known as Ryan Griham fact

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Speaker 5: check true false.

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Speaker 3: Well she I mean she fact checked herself immediately afterwards,

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Speaker 3: She's like, we have no links. Well, my husband took

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Speaker 3: some rides on his plane as part of his charitable work.

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Speaker 3: Epstein played and Maxwell played a role in like helping

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Speaker 3: to organize the charitable work to begin with. Yeah, Clinton

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Speaker 3: Global Initiative. So that's that's a link. But the plane

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Speaker 3: is not nothing, not at all. And there were people

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Speaker 3: be riding around on as the former president, as the

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Speaker 3: former president, why don't do Epstein? He also had that

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Speaker 3: that guy Berkele, who is a total creep. You can

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Speaker 3: you can look up it's this a family friendly show.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even going to tell you it's it's worse

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Speaker 3: than the lead Express almost No, actually, the Leader Express

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Speaker 4: It also had its own bad nickname.

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Speaker 3: So not once, but twice he wound up in planes

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Speaker 3: with like you know, sortid nicknames linked to exploitation of women,

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Speaker 4: It's like, there's we got the photos from Clinton.

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Speaker 5: You can actually the pictures from their travels give you

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Speaker 5: other and many many pictures. Yeah, it's it's absurd.

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Speaker 3: No, this is before Epstein was charged or convicted the

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Speaker 5: However, well, he had young women massaging Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 5: Andrew Kozinski did another fact check here. This is a

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Speaker 5: Global Initiative. In response to questions about Gleeton Maxwell k

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Speaker 5: File notes Maxwell did not just go to CGI. Maxwell

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Speaker 5: making commitments at CGI, and as CNN reported, Andrew Kozinski

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Speaker 5: There's other reporting from Kazinski showing that the Clinton Global

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Speaker 5: Maxwell was intimately intertwined with Doug Band who was Bill

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Speaker 5: Clinton's It was almost what boris Nikolic was to Bill Gates.

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Speaker 5: This is almost what Doug Band was at that time

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Speaker 3: Band was seen as to people who were close to

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Speaker 4: Was he was that close to him?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they were very clearly if you look through

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Speaker 4: We have we found emails. Yeah, where Band. I think

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Speaker 3: Now are they running like a network like this that

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Speaker 5: So in Tom Pritsker, it's not like maybe people don't

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Speaker 3: So they have we allowed this world to be created

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Speaker 4: And this is what we've gotten out of it.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I like Rocana's use of Epstein class,

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Speaker 5: So this is an email from Tom Pritzker twenty ten,

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Speaker 3: There you go, well done, Tom, Yeah, seventy five. What

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Speaker 5: People forget the degree to which you are perhaps the

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Speaker 3: Villages need Well, we got to dive, actually, we need

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Speaker 3: Entitled to it because of his time as Minister of

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Speaker 4: You put up.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we have either of these two

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Speaker 3: I'm now handling this this apartment security. That's the gist

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Speaker 3: But it also means that the Israeli government, you know,

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Speaker 4: He stayed at that apartment as well.

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Speaker 5: So does this part.

442
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: So it's so East sixty sixth. This is the this

443
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 3: is not the townhouse. This is this is the It's

444
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 3: maybe a twenty minute walk from from this apartment to

445
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 3: the kind of Central Park famous townhouse. This is is

446
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 3: it a It's an apartment where he would have people

447
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: stay who are coming into town.

448
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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, I've seen this in the emails

449
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 5: and sometimes it's women, Yes, a.

450
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Speaker 4: Lot of times it's women.

451
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they would have to clear He would have

452
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 3: to clear those women if it wasn't during these stretches

453
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Speaker 3: of time.

454
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Speaker 5: He often appears to be giving it as a fan

455
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Speaker 5: with the Consulate.

456
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Speaker 3: It's it is a favor like people. And he did

457
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 3: his Paris apartment this way too. Hey, i'm gonna be

458
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 3: in Paris, can I stay at your place? Or I'm

459
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 3: gonna be in New York and I stay at your place.

460
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Speaker 5: And sometimes you see him talking to girls where he says,

461
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 5: you know, at least give me the courtesy while you're

462
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 5: staying in my apartment to you keep me a prize.

463
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Speaker 4: She didn't get back to them like fast enough she

464
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Speaker 4: was out of town.

465
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I assume that's the sixty six. Yes, yes, Well,

466
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 5: so that's very interesting.

467
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 4: Marx company owned like most of the building.

468
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Speaker 3: It seems like, okay, the development development company and yeah,

469
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 3: so you can read the story for some of the

470
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: from some of the details on it. But yeah, so

471
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: that's a that's a pretty tight link right there. This

472
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 3: is what the Israeli government was doing. The security for

473
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: Epstein's apartment.

474
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Speaker 5: This is one of the most significant stories to come

475
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Speaker 5: out of the entire do O J archive. I think, Ryan,

476
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 5: this this one from you and Mos is.

477
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Speaker 3: Human language, and people will say, well, yeah, it's because

478
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: it's because Barack was a foreign prime minister and you

479
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: know they all get security.

480
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Speaker 4: It's like, okay, but like follow that train of thought

481
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 4: a little further.

482
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 3: So clearly what this shows, to paraphrase bots music, is

483
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Speaker 3: that he was a KGB agent. Yeah, he clearly he

484
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 3: was working on behalf of the Russians.

485
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, but I mean it's this is the

486
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 5: type of thing that it's like, it's it's obvious, you know,

487
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 5: if a Barock is staying. It's one of those things

488
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 5: where it's like you can connect the dots A and

489
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 5: B and say it's happening. But here what you guys

490
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 5: did was prove right, like it's it's logical, it's a

491
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 5: logical follow on, but you guys found the actual proof

492
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 5: that it was happening. Everyone would know if a Barock

493
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 5: is is staying at a place, it's likely that this

494
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 5: is happening, but it's not just likely, you know, so

495
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 5: it really happened.

496
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Speaker 3: I know, we have Ma's and another interesting story on

497
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Speaker 3: Tuesday that if people missed, I think it's and if

498
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: you care about this kind of stuff, it's really interesting

499
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 3: because it's another window into what what Epstein was really

500
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: doing with Barack and with with the connections that he

501
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: was building between uh du baiports world, which is Stain

502
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: suele Am, who who quit recently under pressure. Although everybody

503
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: thinks he's put out in some type of garden, leave

504
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 3: that like he'll he's still probably in the mix, like

505
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: but you know, I'm sure facing real pressure and put up.

506
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Speaker 5: By the way, sorry, just before you go that I

507
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 5: found an email from him last night. He was Epstein

508
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 5: was asking him about another businessman. He said, well, this

509
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 5: man is not like me. He's faithful to his life.

510
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 5: That the Sultan said to.

511
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 4: Epstein, Sultan Sulton, what are you doing man?

512
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: Yes anyway, yeah Sultan, oh boy, so you put up

513
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: This is a four headline. Epstein flipped Israel's gods attested

514
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: biometric scanners into Nigeria ports deal for u A. The

515
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 3: kind of headlines that we've been putting on drop size

516
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: stories lately are kind of mind boggling. You read the

517
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: story and there is zero zero sensationalism. This is it's

518
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: just a straightforward like, yeah, literally what he did here,

519
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 3: So Boko Haram was going on its rampage in what

520
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen and the and so Barack and actually through

521
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: his wife, he often used his wife to kind of

522
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: make the first entree to other officials. They reach out

523
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: condolences to you know for this broke of Haram massacre.

524
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 4: You know, we're all where, we are there for you.

525
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 3: And what the way that they are there for you

526
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: then becomes evident over the following years they offer, why

527
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: don't we come in and yeah, for this Christian private school,

528
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 3: build a power plant, like.

529
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: You know, move move that, you know, move this entire

530
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 4: community forward. Wonderful, That's that's terrific.

531
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Speaker 3: You're going to build a power plant, you know, for

532
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: this to power this this school, which will then benefit

533
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 3: the entire community.

534
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 4: That's that's tremendous.

535
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: That's that's that's what you want the like, the the

536
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: like Patrician elites, the good Davos crowd to be doing

537
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 3: lifting people up from poverty. Somehow along the way, the

538
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: instead of building a power plant, they accidentally install facial

539
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: recognition technology. What a mistake, Oh, did we say power plant,

540
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: we're going to So we have this product that we

541
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: have tested in Gaza that they used that they that

542
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 3: they used at the Rafa border crossing, which was involved

543
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: with and so Barack yes, bringing this in because Epstein

544
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: and Barack were deeply entrenched in the Israeli cyber security

545
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: in cyber weapons industry, So they tested this facial recognition

546
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: technology early in Gaza. And they come and they say, look,

547
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: why don't you just install this facial recognition technology here

548
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: in in this school and at the and at the time,

549
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: there's this big scandal going on in Nigeria because the

550
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: government had been exposed for using a lot of Israeli

551
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: surveillance equipment. And you can witness Epstein and Barack kind

552
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: of massaging and managing the pr and the fallout and

553
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: and despite the public outcry in Nigeria around this, managing

554
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: to muscle it through and then ultimately building enough connections

555
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: that Epstein is then able to bring Sultan and VP World,

556
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: DP World into the mix. Nigeria one of the wealthiest

557
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: countries in the world. It's people do not share in

558
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: that wealth. It's it's people like Epstein and Zuliam who

559
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: extract the wealth, funneled a lot of it to the

560
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: ue where it's laundered through there through their you know

561
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: makeshift you know mafia like kind of banking system, and

562
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: then it emerges in.

563
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 4: You know as like penthouses.

564
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: In Miami and work in Paris where it's where it

565
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: continues to be laundered and then drives up. But you know, property,

566
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: you know, drives up the price of housing for people

567
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: all over all over the world because it has to

568
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: find it has to find somewhere to park that is

569
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: quasi legitimate.

570
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 4: Uh So if you're asking how.

571
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: That affects you, it makes it so you can't afford

572
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: a house. So yeah, so they that's kind of what

573
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: they're doing.

574
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 5: And yeah, it's crazy.

575
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

576
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: And now Trump is like bombing Nigeria like and also

577
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: like bombing like even the wrong parts of Nigeria. Not

578
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: that any parts of Nigeria should be bombed bombed, but

579
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: he's like was like claiming he's like bombing the remnants

580
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: of Book of ram or the like whatever they've evolved into.

581
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Speaker 4: Instead he is bombing completely different parts.

582
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Speaker 5: Well, let me ask if we combine both of these stories,

583
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Speaker 5: the extent to which we can say we're.

584
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Speaker 4: All I should have.

585
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: You can roll through A five while Emily's talking. This

586
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: is a slideshow of some of the pieces if you

587
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: want to read.

588
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: That, Oh yeah, go ahead.

589
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, So if we combine these two stories, to

590
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 5: what extent can we say that, A, who Barack and

591
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein were state actors or extra state actors? What

592
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 5: do we know about how this was in some ways

593
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: connected with official Israeli government policy.

594
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: That's that's it's not the wrong question, it is it

595
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: kind of misunderstands the the distinction between state and non

596
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: state actors in what in this Davo set. And so

597
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 3: like Epstein is not like Epstein. To do what Epstein

598
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: was doing, he would never have had to have been

599
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: on the payroll of any spy service.

600
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, anywhere.

601
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: Yes, And for Barack to do what he's doing doesn't

602
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: need an official portfolio. Some some times what he was

603
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: doing he was still Minister of.

604
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 5: Defense, That's what I mean. Yeah, because they're.

605
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: So sometimes he was actually Minister of Defense while he's

606
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: doing these deals with Epstein. For the most part, after

607
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: March twenty thirteen is when Barack leaves the office. He

608
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 3: then tries to make a comeback and eighteen and then

609
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: in the nineteen Bannon was going to run his campaign.

610
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: That it didn't it fizzled.

611
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Speaker 3: He I think they won like no seats or something

612
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: or one seat or something, because he was he formed

613
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: a new political party. He was a Labor party guy.

614
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: But they're constantly working with the Israeli cyber security industry,

615
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: which is fully aligned with Israeli state foreign policy and

616
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: is completely populated by Unit eighty two hundred and other

617
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: veterans of There's there's basically no membrane between these companies,

618
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: Paragon being a major one that Barack.

619
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Speaker 4: Is involved with.

620
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Speaker 5: It's like Lockheed.

621
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Speaker 3: It's like saying, yeah, there's probably more of a membrane

622
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: in some ways between our military industrial complex. But that's

623
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: the idea, like it is a it is a complex,

624
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: like when you the phrase military industrial complex, it's the

625
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: same in Israel, but probably even tighter because.

626
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Speaker 4: Of the way that.

627
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a small country.

628
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Speaker 3: It's it's a small country. Everybody's moving in and out

629
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Speaker 3: of these these positions. And and you see Epstein and

630
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: Barack frequently in contact with current intelligence officials, like in fact,

631
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: like when they go to when they go to Nigeria.

632
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: They get Barack gets like you know, has them like,

633
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: do up some intel for them on.

634
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: What's Jonathan good Luck?

635
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: Give me a background er on him. And that's not

636
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: just Wikipedia. Like the backgrounders you're going to get from

637
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: these intel guys are going to be much more interesting,

638
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: so they have a lot more information.

639
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Speaker 5: Well, I'm assuming that Ahod Baraka is former intelligence minister

640
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 5: and Prime Minister has access to whatever he wants for

641
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 5: the most part.

642
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: And then Johnathan good Luck, just to bring in full

643
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: circle for breaking points viewers, he was kind of the

644
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: head of the Commonwealth.

645
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 4: Election Advisory Commission that went to.

646
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: Oversee Pakistan's February twenty twenty four election, which they found

647
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: to be completely rigged and then buried their report until

648
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: we got a copy of it and published it.

649
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 5: Crazy. Yeah, this is such good reporting. Thanks Ryan for

650
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 5: breaking it down for us.

651
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Speaker 4: Interesting stuff for sure. All Right, war with Iran, let's

652
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 4: say you're tomorrow.

653
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 5: Well some news yesterday when it comes to Iran negotiations.

654
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 5: Let's put this first element up on the screen. New

655
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 5: York Post headline Iran US agree on quote guiding principles

656
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 5: of nuclear deal, as Vance says, dismantling atomic program among

657
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 5: red lines, right, I thought we all kind of understood

658
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 5: it was not a good idea to talk about red

659
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 5: lines explicitly when you're making foreign policy at this point

660
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 5: can come back to bite you. But that is where

661
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Speaker 5: the Admin landed yesterday.

662
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Speaker 3: Well SONNYA who keeps trying to add new red lines,

663
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: and you know it makes the the most cynical observers

664
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: of NNNYA, whose behavior appeared just pressient over and over

665
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: and over again. So when throughout the years, actually as

666
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: NETNYA who was fighting against the nuclear deal first, Obama

667
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: reached the nuclear deal with Iran back in twenty fifteen,

668
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: which if we had left it in place an, you know,

669
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: we could be moving towards just normalization, Like what like

670
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: if if if that's what we care about, is Iran

671
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: not having nuclear weapons and allowing inspectors in to make

672
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: sure that that doesn't happen. People back then said, this

673
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: isn't even the thing that who cares about. What he

674
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 3: cares about is smashing Iran like he wants it as

675
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: weak as possible, and preferably if he can broken up

676
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: into little failing statelets Allah like.

677
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 4: Libya or or Serious. So you've got the Voloak region.

678
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: You know, you'd have like insurgents going back and forth

679
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: between Pakistan and Iran who are part of the like

680
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: blocust on liberation side. You have the curds up in

681
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 3: the north of Iran, who would then you know, they

682
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 3: break that off, you like.

683
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 4: Just be and then and then you can go in

684
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 4: and kind of.

685
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: Take the oil fields in the south and just kind

686
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: of cording that off. So that's like the long term

687
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: goal and the total miseration of tens of millions of Iranians.

688
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: And so the idea that Okay, once we do the

689
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: nuclear thing, the next thing they're gonna say, well, we

690
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: want the ballistic missiles. You can't have ballistic missiles. You

691
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: can't have any missiles that go more than that can

692
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: reach Israel. And then if we could get that, then

693
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna move and say, oh, you can't support anybody

694
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: else outside of outside I run. You can't support the

695
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: Iraqi militias, you can't support has supports Moss, you can't

696
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: support pid like whatever you case. You can't do any

697
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 3: of that. And Iran has been very clear we're not

698
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 3: agreeing to these things. You want to talk nuclear program,

699
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 3: let's talk nuclear program. So last time they were announcing

700
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 3: that they were making all kinds of progress on the deal,

701
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 3: and then boom, they like kill the negotiators and kill

702
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: the scientists, and then launched the twelve day war.

703
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 4: And so.

704
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: Now they're back and they're saying like, we've got the

705
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: contours of a deal. But so Iran is saying that,

706
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: which means that the US has agreed to keep.

707
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 4: It to nuclear talks. But Trump, if you you know.

708
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: He told Larry Cutlow, this is his quote. He says,

709
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: it's got to be a good deal. No nuclear weapons,

710
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: no missiles. Know this, Know that all the different things

711
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 3: that you want. Now, if you're Ron, like, does that

712
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: sound like somebody who's engaged in like genuine negotiations, Like

713
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: are you taking the negotiations seriously? It's got to be

714
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: a good deal. No nuclear weapons, no missiles, know this,

715
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: know that, all.

716
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 4: The different things that you want. Who's the U is to.

717
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: Larry Cutlow that Larry Cutlow wants, Yeah that, well.

718
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 4: All the things you want, know this, know that.

719
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 3: Like Trump is not even trying to put on an

720
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 3: act that these talks are serious, Like he has moved

721
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: anything that can float or fly and launch a missile

722
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: has been moved within striking range of Iran. Like the

723
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: build up outside there, I think we have a piece

724
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: that drops out on this as well later today by.

725
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 4: Mas and I think by Jeremy too.

726
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: The build up makes the previous armada, you know, look

727
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 3: like a pinprick.

728
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: And so I feel like Trump has.

729
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: Put himself in a position where he doesn't have the

730
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: strength to like back down from it.

731
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: He's put so many missiles over there, right, and.

732
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 5: He's made such like such intense threat saying, you know,

733
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 5: if you start harming protesters, and then he backs down

734
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 5: off of that one then sends another aircraft carrier. He's

735
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 5: talked very tough, so to your point, as he talked

736
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 5: himself into a corner.

737
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: And yeah, and what's interesting is that last time, I'm

738
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: curious how he gets out of this, you're or how

739
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: Trump thinks he gets out of this. So the last

740
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: time he did this, he's stopped the war at twelve days,

741
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: and people were glad because it could like they were like,

742
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: this could go on for a very very long time.

743
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: And the way he stopped it was by saying we

744
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: smashed the nuclear program to smotherings set them back many years.

745
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 4: Turns out leaked audio from Netnyahu.

746
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: Just days earlier had said they were years away already,

747
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 3: so he was correct. They're still years away. They were

748
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: they were years away, still years away. But they blew

749
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: up a lot of things. And he watched it on

750
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: his you know, video game console. Yeah, and so he's

751
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: and he's out there these handsome fighters.

752
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 4: You know, they did incredible job.

753
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: We did Top Gun three and we're so proud of ourselves,

754
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: and we're ending the wars.

755
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 5: So they're the jet in the White House. It's next

756
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 5: to the Resolute desk, like it has a model of it.

757
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, he loves it. And so so that's how he

758
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 4: gets out of it.

759
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: Well, I guess he could say he blew up every

760
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: ballistic missile. Okay, they don't have ballistic missiles anymore. And

761
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: then you could say, well, and the proxies are so

762
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: weak that like needs to stop crying about them.

763
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 4: So maybe that's the way out. But yeah, how does Trump.

764
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 3: So Trump's gonna start, Let's say he starts the war

765
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: very much looks like he's going to. Iran has said

766
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: we're in a nothing left to lose situation, and so

767
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: they fire as much as they possibly can. Now the

768
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: US has such firepower there that they may be able

769
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: to just take out everything Iran has and be able

770
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: to stop it before it lands.

771
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: That's possible either way. They have said that.

772
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: They're going to launch strikes at American bases where there

773
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: are American troops, with the intent to kill hundreds of

774
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: American troops to set up a deterrent. We also reported

775
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: that there are hundreds of Afghan refugees still stuck at

776
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: this base and cut her because they got stuck in

777
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: this diplomatic limbo, like we moved them out of Afghanistan,

778
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: but we won't let them in the US, so they're

779
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: just like sitting ducks. That would be the worst outcome

780
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 3: like that. Iran just killed hundreds of Afghan refugees stuck

781
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: at an American base. Okay, so Iran launches all of

782
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: its missiles. Then you know Trump fires and blows up

783
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 3: with the nuclear plants. Again it's missiles. Like, how does

784
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 3: he end, right, especially if there are American troops killed?

785
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 5: Right?

786
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: I got his Trump? How do you see Trump ending

787
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: this one?

788
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 5: I have no idea. I mean, I think, on the

789
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: one hand, the quote that you read suggests a flippancy.

790
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 5: I think you're right about that. But on the other hand,

791
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 5: I wonder if it's because he feels like he dispatched

792
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 5: Jared Kushner and Steve Whitkoff and actually can find some

793
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 5: Gaza style historic agreement. Maybe it's only as good as

794
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 5: the paper that it's written on, but he can say

795
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 5: he did it. And that actually brings us to what

796
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 5: you all were reporting at drop Site. So, yeah, wik

797
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 5: Coffin Gushner were negotiating this in Geneva yesterday, and that's

798
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 5: where Vice President Advance came out and said negotiations went

799
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 5: well in some respects is what he told Fox News.

800
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 5: But on the other you know, President Trump has been

801
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 5: clearly has all these red lines. Let's just jump to

802
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 5: B three here. This is a drop Site exclusive that

803
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 5: says Hamas says it will not unilaterally disarm as Trump

804
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 5: and at Yahoo threatened a return to full scale war. Ryan.

805
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 5: That's a report from Jeremy yesterday, and so it's the

806
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 5: what's the best way to put this? That happening in

807
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 5: parallel to the Iran talks is quite interesting because I

808
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 5: actually I do think Trump to some degree thinks that

809
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 5: he's sending wit Coffin Kushner around with this mission of

810
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 5: putting together grand goals that can be marketed as major

811
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 5: wins for peace, world peace, and their business friendly and

812
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 5: they're not like what anybody has ever done before. And

813
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 5: so he just kind of, I don't know is the

814
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 5: right way to say, trust the process, like he trusts

815
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 5: the process that Wikoff and Kushner have and if.

816
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 4: It careabout because he knows he's going to do war.

817
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 5: Well, if it falls apart, then he's he's comfortable doing more.

818
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 5: It's almost like he it's a horse of peace. I

819
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 5: don't know. It's it's really hard to know what he

820
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 5: thinks about all of this because if you could maybe

821
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: even walk us through a little bit of what Jeremy

822
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 5: is hearing and Job says hearing from the Hamas side

823
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 5: related to Gaza, how serious was any of that? I mean,

824
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 5: we're learning in real time how serious the different points

825
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 5: of the peace plan were. So that gives us, I

826
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 5: think some clues as to the authority that Kushner and

827
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 5: Wicough have in negotiations with Iron two, right, And.

828
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: This goes back to reality versus reality distortion. So the

829
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: reality of the fire was that Hamas very explicitly never

830
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 3: agreed to disarm as part of the ceasefire. They agreed

831
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: to cease fire. That was it, and they were very explicit.

832
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: If you want to talk about disarmament, Hamas is willing

833
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: to participate in those talks in the context of a

834
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: national conversation among all Palestinian factions toward a process of

835
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: self determination and government, which means as long as there

836
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: is a Palestinian police force that is constituted, then Hamas is.

837
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 4: Open to disarming.

838
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 3: But we're not going to Hamas is saying we're not

839
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: going to just disarm and then allow the Israelis to

840
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: come in and massacre US. They never agreed to that,

841
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: and so there's everything they've agreed to. Islet was through

842
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: Phase one is now supposed to be leading into phase two,

843
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: which is the reconstruction. Israel is saying we cannot move

844
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: into phase two reconstruction until we have disarmed tom US.

845
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: So Israel couldn't win disarmament on the battlefield, they couldn't

846
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: win it at the negotiating table, and so now they're

847
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: just trying to state it as fact and then get

848
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 3: the US because Israel couldn't do it, get the US

849
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: to execute on it.

850
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: And from Trump's perspective.

851
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: I think he does get like, well, wait a minute,

852
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: hold on, you couldn't do it now, you want us

853
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: to do it for you. But Trump seems to be

854
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 3: willing to effectively just go along. And so they're saying, well,

855
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: we're going to give Hamas sixty days.

856
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 4: Now. The other problem for.

857
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: Israel here just rhetorically and optically, Nennahu's saying, there's basically

858
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: no soul programs left, know, like none of those types

859
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 3: of heavy munitions. And Hamas has said, we're actually willing

860
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: to agree to any limits that you want on rockets.

861
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 5: Sure disarming in that respect, right what.

862
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 3: You would call as Israel likes to call them offensive weapons,

863
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: but they don't want to give up defensive weapons. Notice,

864
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: how like even in here in the US, even a

865
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: people like AOC are like, no, but Israel deserves defensive weapons.

866
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: Even as she acknowledges they're carrying out a genocide, they're

867
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 3: still entitled to defensive weapons. So what about the armed

868
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: faction resisting the genocide, They're not entitled to defensive weapons

869
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: like that. Somebody tried to explain the logical consistency there.

870
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: So what Netna who says is that there are about

871
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: sixty thousand AK forty sevens that are in circulation in

872
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: the part of Gaza that Israel does not yet occupy,

873
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: and that he wants every single one of those out

874
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: before he will allow any reconstruction. Hamas is saying, no,

875
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: we don't trust you. We think that you will massacress,

876
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: you're carrying out a genocide. But from the from outsider's perspective,

877
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: you're like, wait a minute, aren't you like like the

878
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: most well armed military outside of the United States in

879
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: world history, And you're crying to us about sixty thousand

880
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: AK forty sevens and you're going to starve a civilian

881
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: population and refuse like reconstruction and over these AK over

882
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: AK forty sevens, Like how about you just stop doing

883
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: the war? Just how about that? Like they're agreeing to

884
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: no missiles so we can put up B two. The

885
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 3: border piece is meeting tomorrow, this Trump's Trump's boarder piece,

886
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: and they're going to push this, push this forward. But

887
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: and there's then there's talk about, you know, getting this

888
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: International Stabilization Force was Indonesia is talking about, you know,

889
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 3: getting closer to having truth. But we're telling you it's

890
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: like we're like a year out or something from that.

891
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 3: And so if you're Amas, you have said and all

892
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: of the resistance factions have have apparently agreed, like we're

893
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: not going to disarm until there is some type of

894
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 3: mutually agreed upon Palestinian led police force. And like unless

895
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: you're like completely blinkered by propaganda, how how is that

896
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: remotely an objectionable position? Like you, like, unless you're an

897
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: abolished the police type. Maybe that's net Yahoo, Like he's like,

898
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 3: what are you the police? This is just this Karcarle approach.

899
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 5: It's a criminal justice criminal.

900
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: He's a hardcore Kushner. Right, did the first step act? Maybe, yeah,

901
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: that's right. He's influenced by Kushner him. He's not all

902
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: the way at abolish the police.

903
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 5: The unjust prosecution of Netanyahu.

904
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 4: Himself, that's true.

905
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 3: He probably is feeling sympathy for the criminal justice reform

906
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: movement because of his own he's been brought into the fold,

907
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 3: he has been so yeah, so netasn abolish the police type,

908
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: which respect, but most people are not.

909
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 4: Like most people are like, no, you actually.

910
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 3: Need a police force, especially if there's a genocidal army

911
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 3: bearing down on you, that is on a daily basis,

912
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: uttering genocidal statements and promising to annihilate you.

913
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 5: That sounds like the type of negotiating point the Trump

914
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 5: administration of that Trump Camp would contra previous administrations. I

915
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 5: don't know compromise the right word, but accept in the

916
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 5: process of.

917
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: Getting a deal he has accepted in the past.

918
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 5: I was going to ask, Yeah, what do we know

919
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 5: about how that can go with border pieces meeting tomorrow?

920
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 5: They just left Geneva.

921
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trump has said publicly and he gets it, like, yeah,

922
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: they need, you need to have security. He doesn't want

923
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: it to become like a rack means a depathification like

924
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: Trump Trump. Trump is in this interesting point in his

925
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: life I think where he goes in and out of it,

926
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 3: like he'll have moments clarity and then moments where he's like, yeah, whatever, yahoo,

927
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: do whatever you want.

928
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's a that's a pretty good summary of

929
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 5: everything we just talked about. Moments of moments of clarity

930
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 5: and then moments where he's like, yeah, yeahoo, do whatever

931
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 5: you want.

932
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, we're I think we're right now at

933
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 3: a do whatever you want then yeahoo moment.

934
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 5: What a time to be alive. Speaking of Trump doing war,

935
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 5: let's move on to another boat strike. We but see

936
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 5: one up on the screen. This is from south Com.

937
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 5: This is video Southcom released just yesterday, less than twenty

938
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 5: four hours ago. Late on February sixteenth, at the direction

939
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 5: of Southcom Commander General Franchiselle Donovan, Joint Tax Force Southern

940
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 5: Spear conducted three lethal kinetic strikes on three vessels operated

941
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 5: by designated terrorist organizations. This is apparently what you're looking

942
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 5: at on your screen. Intelligence confirm the vessels we're transitting

943
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 5: along non narco tra trafficking routes and were engaged in

944
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 5: narco trafficking operations. Eleven male NARCO terrorists were killed during

945
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 5: these actions, four on the first vessel in the Eastern Pacific,

946
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 5: four on the second vessel in the Eastern Pacific, and

947
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 5: three on the third vessel in the Caribbean. No US

948
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 5: military forces were harmed.

949
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 4: Ryan there was incredible line.

950
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we carried out this attack from air conditioned

951
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 3: rooms in like Florida.

952
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 4: Nobody was No US military personal were injured in the operations.

953
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 5: Well, and once again we are relying on their claims

954
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 5: that the intelligence confirmed these were people quote engaged in

955
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 5: narco trafficking operations transitting along quote known narco trafficking routes,

956
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 5: and I have to say, reading between the lines them

957
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 5: saying one the boats were transitting along non narco trafficking

958
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 5: routes and two were engaged in narco trafficking operations, it

959
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 5: tells me that their intelligence is literally that the boats

960
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 5: were on the routes. We don't know, though. That's just

961
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 5: me reading between the lines. They don't tell us what

962
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 5: they knew. They aren't putting anybody on trial. They're just

963
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 5: blowing them up once again, right, And.

964
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 3: We wanted to cover this because the term normalized was

965
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 3: abused in the first Trump term. But if you don't

966
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: cover these like and you just kind of acknowledge that

967
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: it's just normal that one government is sending drones into

968
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: the sky and just blowing up boats like it is.

969
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 4: A criming as humanity.

970
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 3: And so they've now hit at least forty two boats

971
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: and killed at least one hundred and forty four people.

972
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: There are some lawsuits already, like from I think some

973
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: Colombia and Venezuelan citizens or they're loved ones of them,

974
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: for wrongful death the Coastguard when they intercepped boats. Oftentimes

975
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 3: they get it right, something like a third of the time.

976
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, Rand Paul's pointing this.

977
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 4: Out, something like a third at the time they get

978
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 4: it wrong. And that's with.

979
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 3: You know, binoculars, and they're closer, they're like able to look.

980
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 3: They're like, okay, like we've been out here doing this

981
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 3: a long time. That looks like a drug boat toss.

982
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: And they stop it because you get stopped by the

983
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 3: American Coast Guard that you stop. Yeah, that's what happens.

984
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 3: They boored it, they start it, you oftentimes they find it.

985
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 3: And then what you can do is you can then

986
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 3: ask them who paid you to do this? And that's

987
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: how you do these drug enforcement operations awful often with

988
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 3: the Cubans in the past.

989
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 5: Well, you can also take the alleged drugs off of

990
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 5: the boat and process them and such.

991
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, process them up through your nose and sell them.

992
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 5: Yes, their process can be many things.

993
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 3: Yes, it's shockingly there's a lot of a lot of

994
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 3: shrinkage between the the seizure and the trial and often

995
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: oftentimes but you know, setting that aside, if the coast Guard,

996
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 3: which has been doing this for decades and can do

997
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 3: it from the sea, is getting it wrong one out

998
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 3: of three times, why do we think that Pete Hagsth

999
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: doing it as a video game is going to get

1000
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 3: it right one hundred percent of the time.

1001
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 4: That is setting aside the question.

1002
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: Whether if the person is carrying drugs we are within

1003
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: our rights to execute them.

1004
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 5: That they are engaged in in active combat, right, that's

1005
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 5: the argument, is that they are engaged in a concerted

1006
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 5: government effort from Venezuela.

1007
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 4: To our ally.

1008
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 5: Now we're in charge of Venezuela. Yes, that they are

1009
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 5: engaged in a concerted that's a great point. By the way,

1010
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 5: this is post regime change, postmoduro. I mean, it's not

1011
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 5: technically a regime change, but postmoduro. The argument is that

1012
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 5: they are engaged in an act of war by trafficking. Again,

1013
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 5: the reason that you arrest people and then you tell

1014
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 5: the public what you're hearing. The reason you do that

1015
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 5: is precisely so that you know where they're actually going.

1016
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 5: Are they going to Trinidad? Are they going to other places?

1017
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 5: Are these Is this going to Europe? A lot of

1018
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 5: the cocaine from Venezuela goes to Europe, probably more than

1019
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 5: goes to the United States. So we have no idea,

1020
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 5: and I don't know how their intelligence tells them precisely

1021
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 5: that this was narco trafficking coming to the United States

1022
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 5: by the government, organized by government actors state actors to

1023
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 5: commit war against the American people. That's all the burden

1024
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 5: that has to be met for this to make any sense.

1025
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 5: And to your point, that's why we're covering this. Yeah,

1026
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 5: that makes no sense.

1027
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you make a very good point, and so and

1028
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: I think it's hard for people to like take seriously

1029
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: the argument that the US is making here to make

1030
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: these strikes quote unquote legal. But if you do for

1031
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 3: a seconds, just the very important point that Emily is

1032
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 3: making there. The US's claim that these are legal lethal

1033
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 3: strikes is rooted in the false claim. But let's let's

1034
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 3: accept the claim that trend de Aragua is a foreign

1035
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 3: terrorist organization that is run by Maduro that is at

1036
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,959
Speaker 3: war with the United States, and that all of the

1037
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: narco traffickers in the Pacific, which two of the strikes

1038
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: are in the Pacific, Like, why is Trendragua sending people

1039
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: out to Pacific Eastern Pacific?

1040
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what they do.

1041
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: Like no, like if if they're Venezuela and they're in

1042
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 3: the Caribbean, not the Pacific.

1043
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 4: But let's just pretend that all three of these ships.

1044
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 4: We're going to grant.

1045
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: Everything to the government's argument here, all three of these

1046
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: ships are Torendo Aragua. There's no there's there's no evidence

1047
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: that Tournio Aragua is a international narco trafficking group. They're

1048
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 3: they're like thugs who like beat people up and like

1049
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 3: extort people, and like one of those gangs.

1050
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 5: They almost certainly have some integration the Venezuela government. Of course,

1051
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 5: almost certainly, that is absolutely true. But whether they're being

1052
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 5: used as a military force by the Venezuelan government.

1053
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: Warnow, Let's pretend, just for the sake of argument, that

1054
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: Maduro was in fact running Trendy Ragua, and that Trende

1055
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: Ragua was running all of these drugs and that so

1056
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 3: the argument from the US was, if we blow up

1057
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: these boats they are, that is depriving the Maduro regime,

1058
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 3: which is a narco terrorist regime that is at war

1059
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 3: with the United States, from that revenue. And that's what

1060
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: makes these legal strikes.

1061
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 4: As you may have noticed.

1062
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: From following the news, Maduro is now in jail in

1063
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: the United States. Delsea Rodriguez is running Venezuela Trump just

1064
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: yesterday said that Delca ron Rigaez is doing a tremendous job,

1065
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: and that we are running Venezuela, and that she is

1066
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: doing a tremendous job on our behalf of running Venezuela.

1067
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 5: This is someone who was again organizing allegedly Trendi Arragua

1068
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 5: to commit war against the United States government, and that

1069
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 5: we are still striking people allegedly.

1070
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 4: Right, So she's doing a tremendous job.

1071
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: She's on our side, We in fact are running If

1072
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: it's true that the Venezuelan government is still running Trenda Iragua,

1073
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: then Trump is running it, right.

1074
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 4: I mean, but.

1075
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: According to you Trump's logic, he has Delsi is great,

1076
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: she's an ally and Venezuela is not at war with

1077
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 3: the United States. So then your legal justification that you

1078
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: have put forward for these strikes has completely evaporated. It

1079
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: was it never made any sense to begin with, to

1080
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 3: be clear, but now it has zero basis, Like this

1081
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: is now you're now just killing at best, narco traffickers,

1082
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 3: at worst, innocent people, completely innocent people who are.

1083
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 5: On the boats without a trial.

1084
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,959
Speaker 4: So if they are.

1085
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 3: Narco traffickers at this point and the money is going

1086
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 3: back to some government. It's either going back to Ecuador,

1087
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: which is your your ally, Noboa, Colombia who he doesn't

1088
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 3: like Petro but like not, we're not he doesn't claim

1089
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 3: that Columbia's at war with us, or Venezuela, which is

1090
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 3: our ally now which we run, or what else. Alvador

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Speaker 3: Hunter like, there's there's no one down there that we're

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Speaker 3: saying is at war with us other than Cuba.

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Speaker 4: And we're not saying.

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Speaker 3: That that Cuba isn't behind this now don't apparently. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 3: we're still total like utterly, completely, totally criminal, even by

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Speaker 3: the government's own attempted explanations, like your point is a

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Speaker 3: good one, that like the world changed when they took

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Speaker 3: Maduro and that and we we pulled out our rationale

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Speaker 3: for these strikes and continue the strikes anyway because we

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Speaker 3: do not care.

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Speaker 5: Well, we'll see if they I mean, we'll see if

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Speaker 5: they even bother to I mean, they're posting the footage here.

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Speaker 5: We'll see if they even bothered to say, you know

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Speaker 5: what state actor.

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Speaker 6: They mean.

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Speaker 5: All assumptions for the rest of the forty one other

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Speaker 5: strikes since what September would be that it was the Venezuelan.

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Speaker 5: It was Narco traffickers operating on behalf of the Venezuelan government,

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Speaker 5: on behalf of Madurero. This was happening to be a

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Speaker 5: shot across the bow to Maduro to either squeeze them

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Speaker 5: out or make a regime change operation seem justified. And

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Speaker 5: now that that's happened, we will see if they even

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Speaker 5: bother to say who they think these narco traffickers were

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Speaker 5: committing an act of war on behalf of because so

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Speaker 5: far it's nothing. So far, it's just almost bragging by

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Speaker 5: posting that video we played earlier of the strikes. So

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Speaker 5: I'm curious if they respond to that. Let's let's put

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Speaker 5: in a comment request with the State Department. Actually that

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Speaker 5: sounds good.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's or in defense department? Like you're doing this

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Speaker 3: criminal activity?

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Speaker 4: Why? Yeah, what's your justification? Well, I mean, well it's Rubio,

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Speaker 4: like yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the well, because if it's Venezuela, I would love

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Speaker 5: to know. If we think that Riguez is organizing war, then.

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Speaker 4: Is Rubio the kingpin?

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Speaker 5: Or I think Trump is the king pin?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Narco Rubio