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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio and Unbossed Creative, I'm bridgetad and this is

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Speaker 1: there Are No Girls on the Internet. Fearless Fund is

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Speaker 1: a black woman led venture capital firm that offers investment,

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Speaker 1: financial support, and mentorship to black women owned businesses. But

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Speaker 1: they're under attack for providing this support for traditionally marginalized

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Speaker 1: entrepreneurs because Edward Blum, the professional hangar at the heart

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Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court's legal challenge against affirmative Action, is

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Speaker 1: suing them for what he says is racial discrimination. Now,

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Speaker 1: this could set a precedent that completely changes the landscape

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Speaker 1: for entrepreneurs. And there are so many different podcasts and

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Speaker 1: influencers who talk about tech and startups and entrepreneurship. It's

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Speaker 1: a really credit spase. But if I'm being honest, I

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Speaker 1: haven't really seen a ton of folks talking about this

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Speaker 1: hugely important case. Everyone in entrepreneurship should be talking about this,

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Speaker 1: not just black women, all of us because it could

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Speaker 1: impact all of us. I joined my friends Samantha and

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Speaker 1: Annie at the podcast Stuff's Mom Never told you to

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Speaker 1: explain what I mean? And stay tuned because we'll be

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Speaker 1: hearing from some of the folks at the center of

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Speaker 1: this case. Later this season, the man who brought us

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Speaker 1: the legal challenge that struck down affirmative action earlier this

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Speaker 1: summer is back, and this time he is coming for

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Speaker 1: grants and the fellowships that support marginalized people. So you

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Speaker 1: all probably recall that earlier this summer, back in June,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action, ruling that race

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Speaker 1: can no longer play a part in college admissions.

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Speaker 2: Notably, the decision just applied to race.

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Speaker 1: It did not apply to gender or things like legacy

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Speaker 1: status or donor status being considered in the college admissions process. Separately,

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Speaker 1: some colleges, like Harvard have signaled that they might start

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Speaker 1: reexamining the role that things like legacy status plays in

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Speaker 2: Do you all remember this?

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Speaker 1: I remember when the ruling was struck down, how big

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Speaker 1: it felt, especially being a big Supreme Court ruling. About

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Speaker 1: a year after the after row was struck down, it

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Speaker 1: felt like, you know, one big torrent of rain and

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Speaker 2: To continue your metaphor.

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Speaker 3: Anie, Yes, good metaphor, nicely done.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, No, it definitely did, because that was at

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Speaker 4: the end of the Supreme Court session and there had

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Speaker 4: to be true, but a lot of fear around like

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: It just made like all.

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Speaker 4: Of these decisions in one day.

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Speaker 3: In one day. Yeah, you know, it's odd because I

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Speaker 3: I'm a firmative action was coming into debate to begin with,

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Speaker 3: and to see it like this, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be very transparent here as growing up in

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Speaker 3: Like I said that out loud to my family before

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I first of all, thank you for sharing that,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that you need to have guilt for

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Speaker 1: And so we're talking about like, oh, well, do you

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Speaker 3: Right absolutely. I think in the understanding, as you were saying,

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Speaker 1: Anti blackness is always that is a train that it's

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Speaker 1: But then that is not an accurate reflection of who

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Speaker 1: He is the founder and sole member of an organization

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Speaker 3: I think it only been once though it is. I

439
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Speaker 3: don't stand in lines.

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Speaker 4: It was a long line. I've never been.

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Speaker 3: But and she has expanded that business everywhere, especially in

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Speaker 3: Atlanta and then Georgia. So good on her and owes

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Speaker 3: a lot of property.

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Speaker 1: That wouldn't be possible without the Fearless Fund. And so

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Speaker 1: the lawsuit that Blum is bringing centers on the Fearless

446
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: Funds Fearless Strivers Grant Contest, which awards Black women who

447
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Speaker 1: own small businesses twenty thousand dollars in grants and digital

448
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Speaker 1: tools to help them grow their businesses and mentorship opportunities.

449
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Speaker 1: So interestingly enough, Blahma did not seek out the Fearless

450
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Speaker 1: Fund to sue, but rather, he says that a non

451
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Speaker 1: black woman who runs a business reached out to him

452
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Speaker 1: via email and flagged like did you know that these

453
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Speaker 1: black women are running a grant program that I can't

454
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Speaker 1: be part of? And so the Washington Post reports, but

455
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Speaker 1: the lawsuit sites three female business owners, one from New

456
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: York and two from Virginia who argued that they could

457
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Speaker 1: have benefited from the Fearless Funds grant program, but they

458
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Speaker 1: were ineligible because they are not black. So yeah, these

459
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: non black women basically just felt like they should be

460
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Speaker 1: entitled to this grant program that black women established for

461
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Speaker 1: themselves to support black women.

462
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Speaker 2: They were like, we should have a piece of that.

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Speaker 3: That's such an interesting take because I'm like, well, you

464
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: also didn't get it from every other business grant ever,

465
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Speaker 3: So why are you choosing this like you want did

466
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Speaker 3: you try for it? This just seems like a lazy

467
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Speaker 3: part of like I want this one thing, I couldn't

468
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Speaker 3: get it. I quit.

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Speaker 1: They're biased, Like yeah, I mean this is just my opinion,

470
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Speaker 1: and but like it's so hard to not see this

471
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Speaker 1: as like just hater vibes, like everything has to be

472
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Speaker 1: for you, and if it's not for you, you have

473
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Speaker 1: to shut it down. Think it goes back to what

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Speaker 1: we were saying earlier about the women who benefit from

475
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Speaker 1: affirmative action are also the ones who are the most

476
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Speaker 1: likely to be against it. I firmly believe that there

477
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Speaker 1: is enough out there for all of us. And I'm

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Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, right, so I know how hard the funding

479
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: spaces for women, all women, but I know how hard

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Speaker 1: it is for Black women, in particular as a black woman.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into some of the stats in just a moment,

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Speaker 1: but I believe that despite that, there is enough for everyone.

483
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Speaker 1: Everyone will find their lane, everyone will find their people,

484
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: everyone will find what they need to make what they

485
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Speaker 1: want happen. I believe that as like a meditation that

486
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Speaker 1: keeps me in this work and keeps me being an entrepreneur.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like the dynamic.

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Speaker 1: That says that women need to be pit against each other,

489
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Speaker 1: that if you're a white woman, you need to be

490
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Speaker 1: trying to shut down a grant that is for black women,

491
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Speaker 1: dynamic that helps anybody, right, And so I think that

492
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Speaker 1: we all have our place, we all have our niche

493
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Speaker 1: us enough for all of us. But that dynamic that

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Speaker 1: we are enemies only serve that does not serve anybody.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't serve me, it doesn't serve it, It ultimately won't

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Speaker 1: serve them as either.

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Speaker 2: It just keeps us pit against.

498
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Speaker 1: Each other as opposed to these larger systems that are

499
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Speaker 1: actually holding us all down.

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Speaker 3: It's such a mind play that they have to people

501
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: have to go through to be like, Okay, I can't

502
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 3: get this one thing because they say I can't have it,

503
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Speaker 3: so that means no one should have it because I'm

504
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: gonna be miserable, and so are you. Misery lift company.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna keep this mentality going and then also not

506
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Speaker 3: look at the like here's the small thing versus the

507
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: giant amount of stuff that you also can't get because

508
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 3: you're not a rich white man, but you don't care

509
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Speaker 3: about that thing, Like that's the one thing that's a

510
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 3: little bit more accessible to tear someone down who other

511
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Speaker 3: people will help you tear down with, instead of this

512
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: big giant amount of cash that's just sitting here for

513
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Speaker 3: the white man. Like it's just is I said for

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Speaker 3: the white man, like I'm a native but like, but

515
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Speaker 3: you know, does like mind level, like how much you're

516
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Speaker 3: willing to ignore to be like, Okay, I'm at the bottom.

517
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Speaker 3: Who can I make lesser than me? Who can I

518
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Speaker 3: push down further than me? So at the very least,

519
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Speaker 3: I'm not at the very bottom. Oh my god, that's

520
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: just such a mind trick.

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Speaker 1: This reminds me of when I was a little kid

522
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Speaker 1: and my brother had this like free coupon for an

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Speaker 1: ice cream from McDonald's that he got from school.

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Speaker 2: So he went to McDonald's together and he got one.

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Speaker 1: Ice cream, and I didn't have any money because we

526
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: were little kids, and so they gave him his ice cream,

527
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Speaker 1: and I got very jealous, and so I smacked it

528
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Speaker 1: out of his hand on to the ground, and he

529
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: was like, I was gonna give you a BikeE so like,

530
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Speaker 1: because I was like, I don't want him to get

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Speaker 1: something that I can't have.

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Speaker 2: It really got a flattering story.

533
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Speaker 1: But I was like seven years old because it's like

534
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Speaker 1: he was going to.

535
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Speaker 2: Give me a bite.

536
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: So I missed out on getting my bite because I

537
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Speaker 1: could not just let him have something that I wanted

538
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: and felt entitled.

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Speaker 3: To you immediately and probably earned. I'm thinking of an

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Speaker 3: accelerated reader.

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Speaker 2: What it was like. It was like a if you

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Speaker 2: read X amount of books.

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00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: You've get an ice an ice cream coupon or something.

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Speaker 3: I weren't for this, but yeah, I think this is

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00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 3: so interesting and the fact that he of course Blum

546
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Speaker 3: had to pounce on this. I'm sure it was like

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Speaker 3: a gift for him. Yeah, I must take this.

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Speaker 1: He was like, ooh, I was looking for a way

549
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: to spread my hater vibes, and yeah, I'm sure that

550
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruling and now this lands.

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Speaker 2: This gift lands in my inbot.

552
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: And also makes me stronger, stronger than the woman who's complaining.

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00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: Exactly, so Blum is using what he is called quote

554
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: the shoe on the other foot test. The rhetorical strategy

555
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: that he asked himself is if a grant program funded

556
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: white male business owners wouldn't be considered fair. But that test,

557
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: like you were saying, Sam, really assumes.

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Speaker 2: That we are all equal and all have equal.

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Speaker 1: Access, which the data could not paint a clearer picture

560
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Speaker 1: about the fact that that is not happening. Black women

561
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: are the fastest rising group of entrepreneurs in the country,

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Speaker 1: according to the Harvard Business Review. In the US, an

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Speaker 1: astounding seventeen percent of Black women are in the process

564
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Speaker 1: of starting or running a new business. That's compared to

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00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: just ten percent of white women and fifteen percent of

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Speaker 1: white men. Yet despite this lead, only three percent of

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Speaker 1: women are running mature businesses. Why Well, one big reason

568
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: is access to capital. Harvard Business Reviews research found that

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Speaker 1: sixty one percent of Black women self fund their total

570
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Speaker 1: startup capital. This is in spite of the fact that,

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Speaker 1: in their finding, only twenty nine percent of black women

572
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Speaker 1: entrepreneurs live in households with incomes over seventy five thousand dollars,

573
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Speaker 1: compared to fifty two percent of white men. This data

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Speaker 1: is also combined with data suggesting that Black women are

575
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Speaker 1: less likely to own our own homes, pick on a

576
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Speaker 1: higher level of debt, do things like go to college,

577
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Speaker 1: and are often like saddled with debt to go to

578
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: college right, and so ultimately that leaves us saddled with

579
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: more debt and having fewer personal resources and life collateral.

580
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: Black entrepreneurs typically receive less than two percent of all

581
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Speaker 1: venture capital dollars each year, while companies led by black

582
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Speaker 1: women receive less than one percent of all funding.

583
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Speaker 2: This is according to Crunchbase.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the funding landscape is not great for Black women.

585
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: Less than one percent of funding goes to us, and

586
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: so the fact that we already don't get that much.

587
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: That there are grants and investment funds specifically aimed at

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Speaker 1: shifting those numbers just a tiny bit, like the Fearless

589
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Speaker 1: Fund and that people are saying, no, we need to

590
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Speaker 1: go for that too, that less than one percent that

591
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: goes to y'all that needs to go to us. Now,

592
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, Pew found that just three percent of

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Speaker 1: US businesses were black owned, while eighty six percent were

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Speaker 1: white owned. And so, yeah, as I said, like, as

595
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Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, this these kind of dismal numbers completely aligned

596
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: with my own experiences trying to raise money for projects

597
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: that I want to do. There's just not a lot

598
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: out there, and you really have to stay focused and

599
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: stay positive and not really let that sort of numbers

600
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 1: around how dismal things can be kind of get in

601
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: your head. But then on top of it, when you

602
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: have people like Blum and these women that he's representing

603
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: in this case to challenge these funds, to challenge what

604
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: little is out there for black entrepreneurs who are women,

605
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: it's hard to internalize that as anything other than they

606
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: don't want us here, They don't want us to have anything,

607
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And it's so frustrating too, because a lot

609
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: of companies like to act like they are supporting marginalized people.

610
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: They are supporting black people, and they make these like

611
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 4: outward promises and then just don't really follow through with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all might remember or be thinking like I thought

613
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, like after all the racial justice uprisings,

614
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm the wake of the murder of George Floyd. I

615
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: thought that all these businesses and funds and grants were

616
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Speaker 1: like going to start funding more diverse people and like

617
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: having a more inclusive portfolio. While I remember all those

618
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: promises too. Businesses committed three hundred and forty billion dollars

619
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Speaker 1: between May twenty twenty and October twenty twenty two, according

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00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: to McKenzie. And The Post also reports that investment swelled

621
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Speaker 1: in the startup world. A record five point one billion

622
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Speaker 1: dollars in funding was allocated to black founded startups in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a lot.

625
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: However, all of that interest and excitement and commitment pretty

626
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: much eroded very quickly, with funding for black founded startups

627
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: plunging fifty percent in twenty twenty two. So remember this

628
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: is all happening against the pendulum kind of swinging back

629
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: the other way, where all of these corporate diversity efforts

630
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: became a political lightning rod, and these employers just sort

631
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: of backpedaled, right, And so I think that that's where

632
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: we're at now, where in twenty twenty, people talked a

633
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: lot of big games about money they were going to

634
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: give and funds they were gonna give, and.

635
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: How they were gonna, you know, support inclusive people.

636
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: And startups and YadA, YadA, YadA, and all of those

637
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: promises just fizzled out, right, And I think that we're

638
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: sort of seeing I would argue, like a backlash to

639
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: that now, where diversity and inclusion staffers are being let go.

640
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: I think like recently Chick fil A just like happened

641
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: to have a diversity and inclusion person on their staff,

642
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: and like there was a flurry of like online protests

643
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: because of that. Like just having somebody thinking about that

644
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: on staff is now a lightning rod. And so obviously

645
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: in that kind of climate, these organizations are not going

646
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: to be funding black women, even though they committed to it,

647
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: even though it seemed like that was there was a

648
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Speaker 1: lot of excitement around that. Like, yeah, I just think

649
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: that we're in a completely different landscape than we were

650
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: I mean, This is definitely that whole level of they

652
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: want good publicity but they're not going to follow through

653
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: is a black square. Let me pretend like I care,

654
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: and at the very least I'll be like, hey, let's

655
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: tell the black people in the story like that's That's

656
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: as far as their their actual actions went was putting

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00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 3: something on Instagram that they obviously deleted soon after because

658
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: they wanted to look okay for one group of people.

659
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: And I found that interesting that people are mad at

660
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: Chick fil A because it's like they're anti LGBTQ plus,

661
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 3: So that's not enough for you. They need to be

662
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Speaker 3: racist and all of these things have tould be in

663
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Speaker 3: LUNs enough for us to support you. You better be

664
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: super super racist and super super homophobic in order for

665
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: the conservatives. You can hate everyone except for white says people.

666
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: If not, we're not gonna support you, even if your

667
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: chicken is okay.

668
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Speaker 1: So it and like this is a little like unrelated,

669
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: but like I think that with a lot of these people,

670
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: the Chick fil A example that you just gave is

671
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: a great example.

672
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: A lot of these people like just they'll.

673
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: Find anything to be aggrieved about, Like you know, I

674
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: saw like Cracker Barrel was adding plant based sausage to

675
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Speaker 1: their menu, and people were like, plant based sausage, I'm

676
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: not gonna shop at Cracker Barrel and I'm never gonna

677
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: go to Cracker Barrel again. And it's like, they're not

678
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: taking regular sausage off the menu.

679
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: You don't have to order it.

680
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: Just because they're putting food on the menu that like

681
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: someone else might like, that's not you, that's cause for upset.

682
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: And so another thing I wanted.

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Speaker 1: To say about your point, Sam, is that there's a

684
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: makeup company, Tart. They got in hot water earlier this

685
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: year because they were doing these brand trips that looked

686
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: as if they were not being inclusive of black influencers.

687
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: That they were asking black influencers like after the fact

688
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: to come and like giving them substandard accommodations and all

689
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: of that, and somebody found that in twenty twenty, you know,

690
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: they when they posted their black Square, this company was like,

691
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: we pledged that we're going to be more inclusive and

692
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: give more, do more partnerships with black and brown.

693
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: Models, and blah blah blah, and.

694
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: Then they quietly removed that from their website, but somebody

695
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: found it on the wayback machine. It was like, Oh,

696
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: let's gonna update on all of these like very specific

697
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: commitments that you made. And it turns out that they

698
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: basically just like didn't do any of that stuff. But

699
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: the thing is, nobody put a gun to your head

700
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: and forced you to make these commitments. You you made

701
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: these commitments and just to quietly be like mm just kidding,

702
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: Like that doesn't sit right with me, Like, nobody told.

703
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: You to do this. Nobody told you to post a

704
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: black square. You did it. You volunteered to do it.

705
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: So when people expect a little follow through, that should

706
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: be that should be a given.

707
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I I think about this a lot too.

708
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 4: We talked about this with a lot of the like

709
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: what happened with blood Light, what happened with Target? And

710
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 4: you know, then they just backtrack and make everyone angry.

711
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: But is I feel like there's a fundamental misunderstanding of

712
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: in this case, what it's like to be a transperson.

713
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 4: And then when they get like a little taste of

714
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 4: that the company, it's like, oh my god, oh never,

715
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 4: like they can't even just for that one second, like

716
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 4: if they get this online hate that the cause the person,

717
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 4: the community. They're saying they support, gets, they get it,

718
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 4: and then they're like, nevermind, Actually, can they have that

719
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 4: privilege that rite, that ability to step out and be like, Okay,

720
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: I don't want to deal with this anymore, which I

721
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: think is just very telling of ignorance and just like

722
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: a oh, sure, let's do this, and then they get

723
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: that hate and they're like, oh, oh never mind.

724
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

725
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: Backtracking that Dylan mulvaney thing that you just mentioned, the

726
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: thing that I will never be over is that Dylan Mulvaney,

727
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: when she left social media at the height of all

728
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: of this and came back and made that video, said

729
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: that nobody at bud Light even called her to be like, hey,

730
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: are you all right? Like I'm seeing what's going on.

731
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: I That is something that will stick with me forever.

732
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: That this brand, because she said, happened to say yes

733
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Speaker 1: when asked to do a brand collaboration with bud Light,

734
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: she was had to go dark, had to probably go

735
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: into hiding, like was the target of very severe attacks,

736
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: and that bud Light, the company who came to her

737
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: to bring her into this, couldn't even follow up with

738
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: an email when they saw all of this happening, how

739
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: quickly they abandoned her. And I feel like, if you

740
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: are a brand or an institution who is working with

741
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: marginalized people, if you're not going to stand by them

742
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: when this stuff kind of stuff happens and when they

743
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: get into situations that really like you have put them in.

744
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: But by offering them this, you know, these partnerships, that's

745
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: just not how.

746
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: You engage people like that.

747
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: Like, at a certain point, it's like, I understand that

748
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: bud Light is a corporation, and I don't expect corporations

749
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: to like care about any of us, certainly not marginalized people.

750
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: But the people who run bud Lights marketing or influencer

751
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: partnerships should really be taking a good hard look in

752
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: the mirror because that's just like a failure of like

753
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: how to be a human to each other.

754
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: Like, I like that just sticks with me.

755
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: I could not believe that she said that that nobody

756
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: even ever reached out to her after they just like

757
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: dropped her and never ever followed up again.

758
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's going back to your point. You know,

759
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 4: companies are not big companies especially are not are not allies,

760
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: and we shouldn't think of them that way.

761
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: But they.

762
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 4: If they posted the black square. If they take these stands,

763
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 4: if they say they're going to do something, then yeah,

764
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 4: they should absolutely be held accountable. That's just backing away

765
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 4: and causing real harm. We were telling you a story

766
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 4: before we started this out of nowhere. Someone bought that

767
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 4: up and like like making these things so politicized that

768
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 4: just to have diversity inclusion person at your company becomes

769
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: oh well, then hate, like all of this hate, like

770
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 4: you keep saying, it's irresponsible and it's not taking into

771
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 4: account like the reality of working with these groups.

772
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's ultimately what these people want.

773
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: I think that they want just working with a trans

774
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: woman to be a lightning rod.

775
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: She's not saying anything untoward, she's not.

776
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: Doing anything untoward, she just is because her existence is

777
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: a lightning rod.

778
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: Her existence is politicized.

779
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: I think just having a DEI person just providing a

780
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: grant for black women, they want that to be toxic.

781
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: They want people to know that if you do that,

782
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: you might be in court, you might you know, be

783
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: targeted for a hate campaign. And so to just make

784
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: it not something that anybody would want to risk. And

785
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: these companies are so spineless that they're going along with it.

786
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: It's that they're being held hostage, and they're just like, okay, well,

787
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: they don't want us to.

788
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: Have the chicken sausage.

789
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: They don't want anybody who doesn't eat sausage to be

790
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: bad at our restaurants.

791
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: So okay, we'll drop.

792
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: Actually, Cracker Barrel did stand by their sausage choices, I

793
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: will say that. But yeah, I have been surprised by

794
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: how these big, huge corporations just cowtow to people who

795
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: are not serious, people who are just interested in flexing

796
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: their power, their political power, for no real reason.

797
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: I mean absolutely, we see all of these things actually

798
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: hurting people. They don't even want to be the face

799
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 3: of anything. They just want to exist. Funds like Fearless

800
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: fund is to exist and to help and lift up

801
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: people that they know need lifting up. The same thing

802
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: with Target when they had the small businesses with the

803
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 3: LGBTQ queer content and then taking them off the shelf.

804
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 3: We were just existing and feeling like we wanted to

805
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: be the representation that no one else is willing to

806
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: look at or see or stand behind. And you literally

807
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: came after them, taking away their money, taking away their existence,

808
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 3: causing harm. Because again the mulvany thing she was just

809
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: holding a beer. Yeah, she said, I like bud Light, simple,

810
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 3: why can't she choose to do that? And that ended

811
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 3: up being a thing of like, well, she is hurting

812
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 3: the beer industry and she is doing these things. No,

813
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: she's just existing with a product that they sent her.

814
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: They're not like giving her fifty percent of the shares

815
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: of bud Light. Like that's what is happening, Like this

816
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: whole level of like what people are having to do

817
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: and they're having to come back and being like, instead

818
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: of existing, we have to fight for our place to exist,

819
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 3: and that's such an absurd ideal, like the fact that

820
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 3: this has to be done.

821
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Speaker 1: So this is what Tony Morrison says about racism, and

822
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: I think it fits to all of what you're saying.

823
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: The function, the very serious function of racism is distraction.

824
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: It keeps you from doing your work. It keeps you

825
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: explaining over and over again your reason for being. Somebody

826
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: says you have no language, and you spend twenty years

827
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: trying to prove that you do. Somebody says your head

828
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: isn't shaped properly, so you have scientists working on the

829
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: fact that it is. Somebody says you have no art,

830
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: so you dredge that up. Somebody says, you have no kingdom,

831
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: so you dredge that up. None of this is necessary.

832
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: There will always be one more thing. So like that

833
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: quote really speaks to what I think is happening. You know,

834
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: the Fearless Fund, the stats that I just read about

835
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: black women entrepreneurs and how little of the funding we get.

836
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: It shows that the women who are running the Fearless Fund,

837
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: they have work to do.

838
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: They have serious work to do to right.

839
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: The wrong and to bake a little more equity into

840
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: the funding landscape. So they don't really have time to

841
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: play around with these legal challenges. But yet here they

842
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: are having to spend their money, money that could go

843
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: to the funding landscape, staffing up a legal team, holding

844
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: press conferences.

845
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: All of this.

846
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: It is such a distraction at a time when marginalized

847
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: people have real work to be doing. Fearless Fun is

848
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: fighting back. They have a beefy legal team, including the

849
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: NAACP Legal Defense Fund, Gibson Dunn, Crutcher, and Ben Crump,

850
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: the attorney who represented families of George Floyd and Tyree

851
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: Nichols in their civil suits over the men's killing out

852
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: the hands of the police, and I feel confident like

853
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: these women are like bad as women, they are not

854
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: going down without a fight. But also they shouldn't have to, right,

855
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: Like they should be able to just do their work

856
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: and focus on that work, and they should not have

857
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: to be spending their money on these bogus legal challenges

858
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: just because they want to exist, just because they want

859
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: to support other black women.

860
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: And I find that again we're in this situation that

861
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: black women are the ones that have to be the

862
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 3: ones to fight, like they don't want to, they're tired,

863
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: they've been doing this and now we're back again because

864
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: we know there's a lot and I know there's a

865
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: lot of fun specifically to women, like point blank women,

866
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: and they surely didn't have to go enough after them.

867
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: And I bet they were denied some of those and

868
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: they're probably better at that. But yet if they didn't,

869
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: that seems silly and that seemed very targeted. Yeah, so

870
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: that's very telling. But like it again, it has to

871
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: be the black women that has to put up this

872
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: fight in order to get anything done.

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00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, tail as old as time, right, and I

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Speaker 1: think right, I'm worried about this for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 1: One is that I think that if these grants and

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Speaker 1: funds that specifically are meant to boost black women entrepreneurs

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Speaker 1: are deemed unconstitutional, I really don't know what the landscape

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Speaker 1: is going to look like because, as I said, like already,

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Speaker 1: so little of that funding goes to us in.

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Speaker 2: The first place.

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Speaker 1: But further, one of the reasons I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about it on the show today is that I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's getting near the same amount of traction and

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Speaker 1: attention that Blum's affirmative action challenges did. And I really

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Speaker 1: think that we need to see white male and white

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Speaker 1: women and really everybody in the startup space. We need

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Speaker 1: to see vcs and entrepreneurs speaking up about this, because

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Speaker 1: Blum is essentially arguing that the startup space should basically

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Speaker 1: just be for white people, and I think it's up

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Speaker 1: to everybody in the space to push back and say, like,

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Speaker 1: that is not the kind of funding space that we want,

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Speaker 1: That is not the kind of startup space that we want,

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Speaker 1: and to really make that really clear, like what kind

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Speaker 1: of a space do we want to have for the

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Speaker 1: next generation of entrepreneurs. We want to tell them that

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Speaker 1: the tiny little bit that they that might go to them.

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Speaker 2: Isn't even for them anymore. I don't think that's the

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Speaker 2: space that we.

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Speaker 3: Want, right and absolutely in the same space again, this

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Speaker 3: is gonna hurt white women as well and the like.

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Speaker 3: If we're saying that all of this is too specific

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Speaker 3: and it leads out other people of race, it's gonna

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Speaker 3: hurt gender as well. So this is not even just

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Speaker 3: for white people. It's gonna be for white men. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna have more elon musks running running programs into the ground.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna see thousand percent. And I mean

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Speaker 1: kind of like what you were alluding to before, time

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Speaker 1: and time again in tech, particularly when black women challenge

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Speaker 1: things or.

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Speaker 2: Do things or start things, they uplift all women.

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Speaker 1: And so even if that specific program is for black

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Speaker 1: women owned businesses, you're gonna tell me that a black

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Speaker 1: woman who is financially supported is not going to go

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Speaker 1: on to do something that's going to lift up all

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Speaker 1: women and all marginalized people. Time and time again we

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Speaker 1: see that that's how it goes with black women. And

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I just think that this is just this

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Speaker 1: is me smacking that ice cream out of my brother's

919
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Speaker 1: hand when I could have gotten a bit instead, I

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Speaker 1: really want to see more folks in the space speaking

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Speaker 1: up about this because what the Fearless Fund has done

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Speaker 1: has been really great, and it's they're really like a

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Speaker 1: good force in the space, and I think that they

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Speaker 1: we need them.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, we need them.

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Speaker 3: We do and as a drop in the bucket, let's

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Speaker 3: just be real honest, like it's it's nothing in comparison

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Speaker 3: to what other people get. Essentially, it is like, wow,

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Speaker 3: you really are going after the little groups for nothing,

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Speaker 3: just just to make a point, and obviously to keep

931
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Speaker 3: that little bit, as you are saying, in your pocket

932
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Speaker 3: instead of seeing what this is actually could do for

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Speaker 3: the entire humanity. Humanity is lost. I'm sorry what yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean this is very important too because

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Speaker 4: obviously professional litigant blow here like it's going to keep

936
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Speaker 4: trying and if this succeeds, then it's going to make

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Speaker 4: things worse for everyone except for certain people and then

938
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Speaker 4: easier for him to win the next thing, the next thing.

939
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Speaker 4: So yes, this is really really important, and thank you

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Speaker 4: as always Bridget for bringing it to us.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for having me. Everyone who's listening should

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Speaker 1: go out and buy stuff. I've never told you the book.

943
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Speaker 2: I'd have bought it. Let's read it together.

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Speaker 3: Ya.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we're hoping to do a little crossover. We'll get

946
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Speaker 4: to go on your show. Yes, oh, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 4: But in the meantime, Bridget, where can the good listeners

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Speaker 4: find you?

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Speaker 1: You can listen to my podcast there are no girls

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Speaker 1: Bridget Marie and DC or on Twitter at Bridget Marie.

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Speaker 1: And you can find me on TikTok at Bridget makes podcasts.

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Speaker 2: I never told you.

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Speaker 4: We have a tea public store and we yeah, we

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Speaker 2: Maya, and our contributor Joey.

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