WEBVTT - Draft Show: Players Worth Trading Up For? 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:06.559 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Cowboys on 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:09.600 the Ore war Room for in center news and draft 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.720 analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:18.279 the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select Ezekiel Elliott and 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:23.440 now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:28.920 us sixty six days until the NFL Draft takes place 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:34.639 here in uh, Dallas Fort Worth area, Arlington, Texas. Thank 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.120 you forgetting that it's happening here. Yeah, you know, like 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:39.680 we do this anyway, but yeah, it's happening right down 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.440 the road. It is very exciting that we will have 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.280 the draft here at at and T Stadium. Looking forward 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.760 to that. We will be here at the Star all 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.199 three of those days, uh, covering it for you. So yeah, 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.080 it is upon us. Next Tuesday, this group will be 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.320 in Indianapolis for the Combine, so looking forward to that 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:03.640 as well. Stories from the combine. You know, get a 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.040 chance to visit with players, general managers, coaches, We'll hear 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.440 all the rumors, speculation, try and get a little bit 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:13.040 better idea of what's going on coming up with this draft, 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.240 and then we will hit into some pro days I'm 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.200 planning on going the University of Alabama myself and checking 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.840 that out, so we'll be involved with all those. As 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.319 the Big Boys guy said, it's Brian Brows here with 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.960 Dane Brugler, David Hellman, K Garrison executive producing from the 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:34.760 SWBC Mortgage Studios. We did a show Boys earlier there 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.600 where we traded back and decided where we would like 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.480 to potentially land this thing. Pick some players, maybe pick 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:47.119 up some some picks along the way. We were thinking 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.560 about top one hundred picks. That's we determined though that 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:56.600 we weren't going to take a a offensive guard or 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.559 an offensive lineman unless we got a third round pick 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.720 out of that. Am I correct about that? That was me? Yeah, 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.320 I am not a favor in favor of drafting a 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.600 offensive linement unless it's Quittin Nelson top twenty in this draft. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.920 But that's just me. Um, there could be a scenario 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.120 where that's all that's left for the Cowboys at nineteen. Yeah, 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:16.920 but if you can trade back pick up a third 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.160 I feel a lot better about it. Yeah. I tend 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:21.920 to agree with you on that. I mean, I'll be 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:27.480 interested to see what happens with this. Uh, you know 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.160 with the guard spot, you know, will they in fact 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.240 do they like these guards enough? I mean, we've talked 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:34.679 about that. You're a little bit of mercy of the 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.720 board where they're at at nineteen. If it in fact 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.280 is a guard, there is he better than a defensive 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.560 tackle or a safety, or a corner or a wide receiver. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.200 So we'll see. I want to get to the bottom 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.640 of that too, about and that's one of my plans 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.720 at the combine to try and get an idea, you know, 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.080 the one technique, where is that going to fall? Where 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.320 is the guard going to fall? On this board? Are 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.519 they like these guys as much as we like these guys? 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.119 That's what I'm gonna trying to determine. And I think 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.360 that'll tell us what direction this thing might go at nineteen. 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.720 But to this point, though, I want to ask you guys, 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.880 as we get going on the show, are there players 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.839 in this draft that you're willing to trade up four? 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.560 Are there? Guys? And again there too, And I'm gonna 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.680 take this thing all the way up to Tampa Base 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:29.040 pick at seven, if I could, you know, that's how 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.720 far I think they're getting bold. I'm getting bold. I'm 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:33.480 getting gonna get bold there now. I think when you 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.920 get to the six, when you get to the Jets, 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.080 you're starting to talk about next year's ones and things 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.120 like that. And that's for another discussion. By the way, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.480 I want to have a discussion with you guys. We 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:46.240 just had it up in the office. You don't want 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:47.680 to just bring it here. Oh no, I want to. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.440 I'm gonna have this discussion. Okay, I'm gonna have this 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:55.040 discussion about next year's ones because I sense that you 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.320 guys are not interested in moving next year's one. Never 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.800 not this year. No, no, but but I wouldn't say 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.160 but you guys. You guys were basically telling me though, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.000 you wouldn't move next year's one unless it was for 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.200 a quarterback. And then I reminded you about guys like 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:16.039 Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald. We take last year, like Myles 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.200 Garrett is a player that Miles Garrett. Yeah, there you go, 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.760 that's a player that I would consider. Like it's just 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.000 say Myles Garrett was in this draft. I would consider 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.480 using next year's one to trade up to get Miles Garrett. 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.520 There's no question I would consider it. Would I pull 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:32.000 the trigger that? So Aaron Donald that that didn't interest 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.960 Aaron Donald. Have an Aaron Donald on your team for 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.520 next year's one didn't interest you? Obviously it's interesting, but hindsight, 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.799 I'm just telling you though, you guys kind of flatly 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.600 said it was nothing but quarterback or nothing. I just 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.960 don't know if the risk is worth the reward, especially 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:48.920 because you don't have the benefit of Where did you 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.440 have Aaron Donald on your board? Gosh, I don't remember. 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.880 Was he a top five? No? I wasn't as high 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:56.240 on him as I should have been. I mean I 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.920 think somewhere in the eight to Okay, most people fell 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:01.880 where he should have. Okay, I'll give you bad. I'll 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.719 give you my bad example. Where'd you have Joey Bosa? 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:09.600 Hi top five? Three? Ramsey he was that top five 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.640 that year was ridiculous with Zeke. The top five or 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.159 the number one player to me was Laramy Tunsel and 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:19.760 then I think it was Ramsey, Bosa, Zeke, Miles Jack. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:22.960 So yeah, I mean that that Trapp is ridiculous on 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.719 the top five. So we wouldn't give up our if 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.360 we're evaluating these guys and he's a top five player 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.280 for you, all those guys you mentioned were top five players, right, 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.880 but we wouldn't give up next year's one for a 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.760 top five player. It just depends because and I'm not 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.239 saying it's a hindsight deal. I'm saying if you evaluate 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.440 because but what's very evident to me is you've evaluated 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.920 the position correctly, or you've evaluated the players correctly. What 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.160 you need to do is look at the player on 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:54.520 your respective team and try to decide, Okay, how many 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.920 more you know? You're here in baseball, you're here the 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.159 term wins above replacement. You know, how many wins is 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.240 this player? Okay? You kind of have to do that 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.800 with this discussion about if you're in a trade up 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:08.159 for this player, does he help you win more football games? 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.640 And how significant of an increase in the win loss 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.919 record can he be so a player, especially at a 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:19.080 premium position like a pass rushers Garrett Khalil Mack Joey Bosa, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.000 to me, the second most important position on your roster, 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.120 that is a position that you absolutely should consider trading 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.320 up for if you think he's an elite player. Yeah, so, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.360 which and I'll make the point I made upstairs, which 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.760 you know, going back to twenty ten, a six of 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:39.200 the cowboys last eight first round picks are either Pro 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.800 Bowl players, if not all pro players. It's going from 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:47.880 Dez Bryant to well Taco. We'll see how that pans out. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.800 But right now, in a spam where you can fairly 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.760 evaluate them, Mo and Buyer and Early, the one guy 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.240 you traded up for, Ah, good point, Brian. The one 0:06:58.240 --> 0:06:59.760 guy you traded up for is the one that didn't 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.440 pay out. So this is a front office. I'm being 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.799 fair here. This is a front office that's hitting something 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.599 like eighty five percent on its first round picks in 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.080 terms of finding guys. So would you rather, I'm saying 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.720 in general, rather, would you rather have like two Pro 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.440 Bowl caliber players or one Aaron Donald type player assuming 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.760 that it pans out, Assuming that it does, which you 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.560 can never guarantee, just a high risk, higher reward It is. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:27.280 Oh no, the whole thing I verse when I'm giving 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:33.040 you guys credit for identifying Khalil Mack, Ramsey, Bosa, Aaron Donald, 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.880 I'm giving you guys credit for that. They're definitely players 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.160 that are good enough to justify it. Let's bring it 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.440 back to this, Drake. But I just I heard upstairs 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.400 you guys say I would only do it for a quarterback. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.600 That is where it makes the most sense because really, like, 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.679 look what's the bus factor on those Cats? Of course, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.600 but look what Deshaun Watson can do for your team. 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:55.640 I mean obviously before you got hurt, but Carson Wentz. Yeah, 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.520 it's another one. Yeah, I mean, you go, that's right, 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.920 wins Is. Wins has been so good that I on Moost. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.200 I mean, he was not terrible for the fact that 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.320 he was a rookie, but the word so good was 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.560 just he was playing at an MVP level before he 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.520 got hurt this year. Like, sure, I don't. But my 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.320 point is I forget sometimes that the Eagles even made 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.679 that move, but they did. You're right, trading a future 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.280 one to go get him? Yeah, anyone in this draft 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.280 that you would trade a one to go get Nelson, 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.360 You would trade next year's one to go get him, 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.040 just in a vacuum or for this team. He's he's 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:35.440 one of my he's one of my top three players. Nelson. Okay, 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.000 oh man, do you think he would Going back to 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.040 what I was saying about, I think, you know, and 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.199 again I'm just saying one of my top three players, 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.400 and he fits and he fits, he fits perfectly what 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:51.400 the Cowboys need. I'm taking the Cowboys out of the equation. Nelson, 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.400 to me is a guy that's going to play twelve 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:58.200 fifteen years in this league. Agree easily, easily. The way 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.240 he plays, his demeanor is tough. From this. You know, 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.480 you talk about the run that Zack Martin's been on. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:05.840 This kid's going to be on a similar run. But 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.520 you're giving up I mean, that's him, Taco to go 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.920 get him. No, not so you would have draft. Okay, 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.200 I'm giving up. I'm giving up. I'm giving up Hurst 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.720 to go get him. You're giving up first and you're 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:22.000 giving up Hurst and some kid some other badass. Then 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.640 next year you're gonna be like, oh, if only we 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.120 had a pick so we could get Devin White or well, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.480 I'm okay, if you if you're focus in on this team, 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.560 and how much of a difference would Nelson make on 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.040 this team right now? He would help. But I don't 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:36.640 think going back to what I was saying about wins 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.480 above replacement and how many wins is he helping up, like, 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.160 I don't think Nelson is going to move. It's not 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.520 worth about two or three extra wins. Dane. Dane is 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.000 smarter than me. That's and that's why it makes sense 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:47.560 to do it. That's why it makes sense to do 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.360 it for a quarterback because no other position affects your 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.160 wins and losses more. Nelson's the best player in this draft, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.360 but I don't think he's good for two or three 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.000 more win How many? How many more wins? Better does 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.199 he make this team? If you don't, I'm I mean, 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.440 let's say they do a bad job of fixing the 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.480 defense or or upgrading the defense, and they don't really 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.240 change the suck a wide receiver. How much better does 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:11.839 he make the team? Oh? He makes his team a 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.960 lot bet or offensively, he does. He absolutely does. Sore 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.160 he wins. That's what I'm saying. You go from a 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.040 nine win team to twelve winks. I don't think. I don't. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.160 I don't think you're right. Not an offensive guard on 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.839 this team, because the offensive line, as if everyone's healthy, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.000 is what's the strength of this team? You say, the 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.160 offensive line? When when this when they win thirteen games, 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.800 what was the strength of this team? The offensive line? Yeah, yeah, 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.520 let's not forget that. Bois. They were firing on a 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.160 lot of others. You don't have to do. What would 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.880 Bosa have done for this team? He would have helped 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.480 stain Bosa Ramsey. Well, and that's what I'm saying. If 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.120 Myles Garrett was in this draft, that's a name I 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.440 would consider trading up for. He's the only one you 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.000 sound like you would be trading up for. Can we 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.160 just well, can we just call it what it is? 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.520 This is kind of a weak draft. Yah. Yeah, they're 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.600 not ten true top ten players. This isn't this isn't 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.880 a blue chip draft. Okay, So you're telling me there's 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.200 nobody Okay, So I can't get you to move up? Okay, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.520 obviously I can't get you to move up to the 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.440 Jets at six. No, I can't get you. It takes 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:13.040 a future one. Okay. And then so kick Tampa out 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.680 of the mix. If you're looking at a two, three 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.000 and a four potentially, right, Well, I mean let's let's 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.000 talk about players. Well, no, we're going You guys just 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.320 told me there's nobody worth trading up for. Who are 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.160 you trying to get? No? I was, I was. That's 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.760 my question to you, guys. That's and that's my point 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:29.800 is there's not very many guys are saying, this is 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:33.560 just draft stinks. There aren't it doesn't no draft stinks. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.000 There's always good players in it. What did you just say, 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:40.400 it's a bad week compared to years ago. It is 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.520 not that plain to him that scouts every time they 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.760 hear that it's a weak draft, go do your job, 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.640 Go find some players. No, that's not true. Like you 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.680 can go back and trade. If you can go back 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.480 and chart these things, Brian, you can go look at 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.120 twenty eleven when like half of the first round is 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.839 Pro bowlers and you can ain't buying a word. You're saying, oh, 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.120 look I can pull up the twenty thirteen first round 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:02.960 for you. I don't in this draft. I don't think 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.480 you have to trade up into the top ten to 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.200 get a difference maker like I think you can still 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.600 get one of the teams. What is this thought about 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.520 that draft? This draft is not good? Well it's it's 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.160 it's a good draft. It's just not it's not top heavy. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.199 We don't have the see that bothers me when people 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.000 say that three of the top fifteen picks in twenty three. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.080 Do your job, reach the po will be good at 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.480 your job. You'll find some players. If bad thing to 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.680 say that's a poor scout excuse. I disagree. It's not 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.880 an excuse to say that. It is an excuse. No, 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.280 it's not to say that other drafts were stronger at that. 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.800 It's not an excuse to say that some drafts have 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:40.839 better talent at the top. That's not an excuse, that's 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.000 just a fact. But it's an excuse to say that, Oh, yeah, 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:45.920 we're just gonna throw up our hands and say, oh, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.720 it's not a good draft. No, that's not Sorry, we're 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.360 saying we're not going to trade up and get rid 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.520 of assets to get Why because you want a draft? 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.640 Because I don't want to get rid of my picks 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.199 to get a player that's probably not worth it. Oh 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.640 it's a bad draft, though, Dave. It's a draft where 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.720 I'm not trying to make much, go get the best player. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.520 Then you're you're you're not baiting me right now. It's 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.040 not gonna work. What the odds that I'm going to 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.199 trade up and get a guy that's worth getting rid 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.480 of future picks instead of just staying where I am. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.360 Did you tell me or maybe back did he tell 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:20.160 me that it's it's it's not a top heavy draft, 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:21.760 the one to go get the best player. How do 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.040 you feel it's not a top heavy How do you 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.880 feel about your top ten in this draft as opposed 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:30.439 to twenty sixteen. Oh, I you're right that part of it. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.080 You're right, But I'm just saying, okay with one, am 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.920 I taking crazy pills? No? No, But but you're saying 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:37.880 though it's overall it's not a good draft, and you 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.520 but you're only saying it's only because of one part. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.400 We're talking about the first round here. We're not talking 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.280 about rounds one to seven. That's conversation. Should say that 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.840 the conversation, it was implied that we're talking about the 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.240 first round picks. That was implied. Yeah, I mean like 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.199 this isn't this draft class has plenty of strengths at 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.760 certain positions. I think there's great value second third round, 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.560 which goes to the overall point about being reluctant to 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.000 trade those picks because I think the strength of this 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.720 draft is on Day two and there are because there 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:09.679 aren't those blue trippers at the top, there aren't those 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.280 true difference makers. Again, I love quentnin Nelson. He's the 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.280 best player in this draft. I don't think he's a 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:15.880 difference maker for this team. I think it'd be an 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.240 awesome addition. He'd be a heck of a guy that 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.160 you know put out there. I don't think he's worth 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.840 two or three wins. Who is worth two or three 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:25.840 wins in this draft in the top of the of 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.120 the board. I'm not sure there is one for this team. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.480 For other teams, maybe maybe Quentin Nelson is for another team, 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.880 but I don't think for this team. Se Quon Barkley 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.560 maybe for another team. I don't not for this team. Obviously. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.520 With Zeke the guy I keep coming back to, there's 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.280 two guys I keep coming back to, Calvin Ridley and 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:48.480 Roquan Smith. Those are two guys who I think can 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:53.200 make an immediate impact and be a core player on 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:58.040 the roster moving forward. Let me ask you a question, 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.120 how okay, say they draft Key? You like Calvin? Really? Right? 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.200 I damn my wide receiver? I do, But I don't 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:05.760 know if I would trade up for him. Well, let's 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.240 just say. Let's just say that he's on this team, 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.800 that he's their first round pick. Either he lasted nineteen 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.720 to the trade of for him. How long before he 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.360 is the number one wide receiver on this team, not 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.360 like the role number one, but the most talented wide 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:23.240 receiver on this team. It's Dens Bryant still on this team. Yes, 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.320 I think within because we look at receivers all the 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.680 time and say it's probably takes two three years before 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.720 they even you've done the evaluation. Yeah, Calvin, really specifically, 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.600 how long? See, we made the mistake of trading up 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.600 for a wider. We're trading for two ones for Joey Galloway. 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.880 You know there's there's your mis evaluation right there. Okay, 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.800 what's your best factor on these wide receivers? Now? See, 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.360 I'm not if you guys are telling me, See, the 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:50.960 one thing I'm trying to trade up for is a 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.720 guard who I know can play. You know that's what 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.400 I would do. You guys are trying to trade up 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.840 for for risk players. I'm not Okay. Would you rather 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.640 have Witt Wilson or Isaiah Win and next year's one? 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.560 I'd rather have Quintin Nielson, Okay, I'd rather have Win. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.880 Like again, if you insert Win at left guard, I 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:18.440 don't think we over evaluate and win. No, I don't 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.560 think so. Look, and Nelson is the number one player 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.520 in this draft that doesn't mean that he is going 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.840 to win you x amount of games more than if 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.000 win again. And it's we're talking about the Cowboys, right 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.840 but their roster, their situation, their depth chart. And I'm 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.440 going back to the question I asked you before because 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.440 I want an answer on Calvin Ridley. If he's on 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.320 this team, how long before he is the best receiver 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:47.000 on this team? Two years? It's a long time. Two years. See, 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.520 I think at some point in his rookie season he'd 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.080 be the best receiver on this team. There we go, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.960 not immediate. I'm not saying from training So I like 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.560 Calvin Ridley a lot, but I don't see like more 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.080 Ridley better who you like? I mean, I love DJ Moore. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.720 I don't know that. I don't know that he's any better. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.160 And part of the reason that I love DJ Moore 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:08.960 is like the value because I don't think you have 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:10.760 to take him at nineteen And do I know that 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.119 he lasts still fifty? Probably not. But I don't see Calvin. 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.240 I don't I don't see the win above replacements for 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.840 Calvin Ridley being that disgusting to be honest with, No, 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.200 I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, how long before 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:23.840 you think he's the best receiver on this team. I 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.000 don't think it would be during his rookie season. I 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.760 don't either. Okay, Okay, let me ask you this. Tell 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:33.400 me what you said about Smith about his he's I hear, 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:38.480 he's not for everybody, size limitations, real que Yeah yeah. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.480 And if I'm we're trading up for that, okay, well 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.240 trust the evaluation. And if I'm the Cowboys, I'm hoping 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:49.400 he comes in at six o two to twenty three. Yeah, 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.480 two twenty three, runs four seven six, sure not you know, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.880 not great average, But see he's not, as you said, 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.440 he's not for everybody, right, he might not be known. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.120 I mean, we don't know how eighteen teams that pick 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:02.720 in front of the Cowboys. You're gonna think how they're 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.239 going to look at Roquan Smith. And would you give 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.879 a second round pick for him? Would you go to 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.520 Cincinnati at twelve and give a second round pick? Now 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.800 you're talking about things that I would do, and I said, 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.800 off the that'd be tough to not do. Okay, I would, Okay, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.240 if if I had, if I had to give a 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:20.880 second who are you going to give a second round 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:25.280 pick for Ridley or Smith. Roquan's higher on my board, 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.840 and so I would I would go and get Roquan. 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.840 Now you're talking about things I'm more willing to do. 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:32.800 All right, let me put it on this scenario. What 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.560 would you rather do? Trade nineteen and a two to 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.439 go up and get Roquan or nineteen and a three 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.119 to go up, Say to fifteen and get Calvin Ridley. 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.760 I think I'd rather have the linebacker, even for the 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.000 higher cost. If you told me we're not going to 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.240 pick at fifty, but we got Roquan, Say you what though, 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.640 I'm trying to help my quarterback. Yeah, no, there's that's 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.119 a thing, you know. And if if if if if 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:04.320 Smith's not for everybody you know, and I'm I'm I'm 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:08.399 a Smith fan. Okay, let me ask you this. Okay, 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.400 Edmonds is not as high on your list, and right 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.000 I's like twelve, I'm not as high as on Edmunds 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.320 as everyone else. Oh, may ask this. Would you give 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.440 Would you go to Cincinnati at twelve give the two 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.920 to get Smith or would you go to Arizona at 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.919 fifteen and give up a third and get Edmonds? For 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.439 this team, I'd go and get the higher player on 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.320 my board, Roque, I like Edmonds a lot. I just 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.160 think there's going to be I don't think he's gonna 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.480 help you as much as a rookie as what you're hoping, 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:39.840 especially for this team. It's a win now team. Do 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:41.920 you think Ridley really helps you that much as first year? 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:43.879 You said through halfway through the first year, he's your 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:45.800 best receiver. Yeah. I don't know about halfway, but I 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.760 think at some point during his rookie year I think 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.439 he you could look at him as the best receiver 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.760 on the team. Can you get him? Can we get 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.400 him for green Bay's pick? For we give a third 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:02.199 and a fourth to go get him at fourteen? Are 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:03.920