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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in final hour, Thursday edition.

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging

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Speaker 1: out with us. Encourage you as always go download the podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can search out my name Clay Travis, you can

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Speaker 1: search out Buck Sexton. You can find us there and

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Speaker 1: hang out with us anytime a day or night as

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Speaker 1: you are potentially en route for your summer vacations heading

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Speaker 1: all over the place. We're joined now by Bill O'Reilly.

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Speaker 1: He's got eighteen number one bestsellers, including the latest book,

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Speaker 1: Killing the Killers, the Secret War against Terrorists. And he's

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Speaker 1: got the latest column called The Fall of TV News,

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Speaker 1: about the media's obsession and fear of cancel culture. You

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Speaker 1: can read that at Bill O'Reilly dot com. Bill appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining us. I wanted to hit you right off

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Speaker 1: the top here. Obviously, we've got January six, the primetime

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Speaker 1: hearings tonight. But it's as if the Brett Kavanaugh assassination

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Speaker 1: attempt didn't even happen ead on the twentieth page of

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Speaker 1: the New York Times. The Washington Post is treating it

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Speaker 1: the same in terms of significance of news story as

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Speaker 1: a random defensive coordinator. In Jack del Rio's opinion on

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Speaker 1: January sixth, how dishonest is the treatment of this story?

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Speaker 1: And does any of that surprise you? No, none of

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Speaker 1: it surprises me. Thank you for having me back you guys.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and I'm glad you're doing very well.

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Speaker 1: Everybody should know it is a tough role to take

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Speaker 1: over for Rush Limbaugh, and you guys are fulfilling it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Corrupt media is obvious to anybody who has

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Speaker 1: a brain of any capacity. So not only do they

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Speaker 1: avoid any unpleasantness in the progressive Biden community, but they

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Speaker 1: ignore stories like the Buffalo clinic that was torched on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday night, all right, and two firefighters were injured by

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Speaker 1: the arson. And this was is a clinic that referred

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Speaker 1: pregnant women for adoption. Now you can imagine if a

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Speaker 1: planned parenthood clinic was torched with injuries, front page, every newspaper, lead,

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Speaker 1: on every network newscast. This was not mentioned in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: New York. And I'm going to submit to you that

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Speaker 1: almost everybody listening to us right now, there's no idea

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Speaker 1: it happened. If you watch my broadcast the No Spin

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Speaker 1: News on Bill O'Reilly dot com and many other outlets,

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Speaker 1: you'll see it tonight. But this is a scandal, and

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Speaker 1: the only good news here is it's back lashing. It's

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Speaker 1: back lashing against the progressive left. And I believe that

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Speaker 1: they are going down big time in November, just as

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Speaker 1: we saw in San Francisco in LA this week, and

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Speaker 1: that there will be a new resurgence of traditional governance

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Speaker 1: and thought in America. That is what I think will happen. Bill.

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Speaker 1: You know tonight the jan six prime time extravaganza is

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Speaker 1: going to be underway on a number of networks. CNN

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Speaker 1: is going all in. They are they are covering this

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Speaker 1: like the pregame of the Super Bowl. Do you have

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Speaker 1: Do you have any any sense that there will be

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Speaker 1: something that comes from this that any normal person will

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Speaker 1: be talking about him a day or two? Or is

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Speaker 1: this going to be a giant prime time nothing burger

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Speaker 1: where nobody changes their mind? Who wasn't already all in

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Speaker 1: I can't watch it because on the Food Channel they're

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Speaker 1: having avocado toast night. Good call. I've got to be

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Speaker 1: over there for that. M. David Axelrod is an honest man,

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Speaker 1: but you knows Obama's guru, very liberal guy. He just

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Speaker 1: came out and said, look, if they don't have anything new,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a debacle. And if they did have anything,

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Speaker 1: they would have teased it out. They would have leaked

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Speaker 1: it out to heighten curiosity to watch this exposition. Right.

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Speaker 1: You know how it works in show biz. You got

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Speaker 1: a big story, you'll leak out the story so people

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Speaker 1: come in and watch the story. Well, we don't have anything,

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Speaker 1: So what I think will happen, and I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it seriously about ten minutes. But if

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Speaker 1: I don't see anything new or hear anything new in

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Speaker 1: playoff game tonight here in New York. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff to do and the avocado toast,

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Speaker 1: So I don't think there's gonna be anything. And I

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Speaker 1: think that after twenty minutes of sheer boredom, sheer hate

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Speaker 1: Trump stuff that only Robert de Niro and Colbert would

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Speaker 1: taking at Fox News will probably rack up big ratings. Bill.

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Speaker 1: We know you're friends with Donal Trump. You guys have

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Speaker 1: had successful tour all over the country talking about parts

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Speaker 1: did a full hour with him at Mara Lago in February.

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Speaker 1: There's been some rumors that he may announce for president

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Speaker 1: running in twenty twenty four before the end of this year.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's likely? How would you assess President

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Speaker 1: here in a big way in November, in about five months.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he waits for that red wave and

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Speaker 1: then announces afterwards? Where is President Trump? Based on your

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Speaker 1: understanding of his political calculus, President Trump changes his mind

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Speaker 1: every ten minutes. Okay, so I can't. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: the I can give you a four and against. So

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Speaker 1: against announcing now means it's harder to raise money for

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Speaker 1: his political action committees because once you announce, all the

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Speaker 1: campaign finance donation laws change. So to maximize your money

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Speaker 1: going into your packs, you don't announce until January twenty three.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll hold off that long, So then

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Speaker 1: you calculate, well, when is the most advantageous time to

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Speaker 1: It would seem to me the week after the mid

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Speaker 1: term elections, That's what it would seem. But again, you know,

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Speaker 1: mister Trump is a independent thinker. He marches to his

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Speaker 1: own drummer. As the cliche goes, nobody knows, but he

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Speaker 1: wants to run again. There's no doubt about that, no

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Speaker 1: doubt that he wants to run again. Do you think

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden will run again? Do you think you will

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Speaker 1: get a rematch potentially, or do you think Biden's done? Nah?

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Speaker 1: Biden doesn't even know when the next election is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know anything. So it's inconceivable the men will

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Speaker 1: run again. You just can't do it because once he

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Speaker 1: gets waxed in November, then basically all he and Jill

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Speaker 1: for four days and then spend three days in Rohobeth Beach, Delaware,

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Speaker 1: which is what they do now. But he's not going

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Speaker 1: And you know, now the Democrats, and I know this

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Speaker 1: It can't be Kamala Harris. I think your poll numbers

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Speaker 1: now are twelve people like her in the United States

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Speaker 1: I'm a simple man. I have one simple question. Give

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Speaker 1: me one thing, just one that Joe Biden has done

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Speaker 1: you guys give me one. No, we actually talk about this,

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Speaker 1: we're speaking of Bill O'Reilly he's got a great new

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Speaker 1: book out. You should all check out Killing the Killers,

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Speaker 1: The Secret War against Terrorists. You know, Bill, we just

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Speaker 1: been down to the border number of times, and they're

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Speaker 1: all saying, well, we're gonna see. It's already happening. We

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Speaker 1: the economy's number one, without a doubt, and that's going

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Speaker 1: because their expenses on everything have gone up. Gas and

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Speaker 1: out of control. So the caravan, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: very difficult for the networks to avoid covering that. MSNBC

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Speaker 1: You're going, what is this? Why can't the federal government

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Speaker 1: he did remain in Mexico stopped all this. And one

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Speaker 1: of the themes of killing the killers, by the way,

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Speaker 1: if you don't like that, it keeps them quiet for

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Speaker 1: coordinated effort because we have unbelievable weapons systems now in space.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Trump, one point four trillion went to the military.

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Speaker 1: which is now used to wax isis, al Qaeda and

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Speaker 1: all other people. And we get into that in great detail.

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Speaker 1: But if the federal government used its power on the

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Speaker 1: border now, it would have to move troops. The only

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Speaker 1: thing that would stop it now is US military on

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Speaker 1: the border stopping this incursion, which is a national security threat.

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Speaker 1: So it could be done. The book is Killing the Killers,

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Speaker 1: Bill o'reiley, Bill, thanks so much for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time anytime, guys, thanks for having me. Stock

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Speaker 1: And I think the battle you're fighting is so important

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Speaker 1: Because for people out there listening, I mean, I've represented

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Speaker 1: murderers in my career. That doesn't mean that I agree

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Speaker 1: with potentially someone murdering. Right. We're supposed to, as lawyers,

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Speaker 1: take on every different aspect of the law and sometimes

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Speaker 1: defend people who we may find to have been heinous.

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Speaker 1: And this is terrifying to think about because where it

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Speaker 1: leads to me, and I'm curious if you already buy

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Speaker 1: in on this too, is at some point certain people

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Speaker 1: don't even deserve lawyers. That's where these arguments all lead.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me we've had arguments like that already.

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Speaker 1: Some of these tweets that I started in my letter

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Speaker 1: in my Law Street journal if ed, Yeah, there's far

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Speaker 1: more outragious or inflammatory, you know, calling for the death

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Speaker 1: and castration of supporters of Brett Cavin, justifying the mobs

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Speaker 1: outside Justice's homes, saying that anyone who's a Republican is

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Speaker 1: a terrorist, all of these sorts of things. Again, I

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Speaker 1: think it's the right call, as Georgetown did not to

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Speaker 1: investigate those tweets and punish them. But it's free speech

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Speaker 1: for the and not for me. And that's you know,

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Speaker 1: that one sidedness. The disparate treatment depending on where you

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Speaker 1: how Georgetown has approached all of these things. Fundamentally, this

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Speaker 1: goes to the proliferation of bureaucrats as opposed to faculty

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Speaker 1: on law school campuses, and especially among the bureaucratic blote

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Speaker 1: the predomination of THEI officers diversity, equity and inclusion, which

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Speaker 1: ironically or sardonically bitter irony, subvert intellectual diversity, prevent equal opportunity,

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Speaker 1: exclude those who dissent from a rigid progressive orthodoxy. So

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Speaker 1: these are very dangerous transu and it's it's different than

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Speaker 1: you know, decades old complaints about how campuses universities have

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Speaker 1: a left wing, that the ratio of liberals to conservatives

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Speaker 1: or whatever on campuses hasn't changed since you know, since

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Speaker 1: I was in college twenty five years ago, a law

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Speaker 1: school twenty years ago, or you know, the Berkeley Free

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Speaker 1: speech movement fifty years or all of that. That the

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Speaker 1: ratio is not what this is about. It's about empowering

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Speaker 1: fundamentally illiberal values to undermine the rule of law, that

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Speaker 1: undermine the basic mission of any educational institution. And I

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not trying here to convert anyone who's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, a radical leftist. I'm here to try to

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Speaker 1: wake up those in the grand moderate majority who either

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Speaker 1: aren't paying attention or think that they're isolated incidents, because

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, this is this is terrible stuff that's

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Speaker 1: happening in our society. Were at large. I'm optimistic about that,

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Speaker 1: but certainly in academy end especially Georgetas, which is at

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Speaker 1: the bleeding edge of these negative tendencies. Just wondering Ilia

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Speaker 1: based on what you saw at Georgetown from the inside

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Speaker 1: and your short tenure there, do you think that you

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Speaker 1: could if you had stayed, or if anyone decided to

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Speaker 1: take a position on say, affirmative action, which is before

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court and is still being litigated as an

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Speaker 1: issue more generally in the courts. That if you said

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Speaker 1: affirmative action is wrong because it propels people who are

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Speaker 1: not as qualified into roles they would not have otherwise gotten,

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Speaker 1: often because of either skin color, or gender or gender

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Speaker 1: identity or whatever. Is that actionable at Georgetown now? I mean,

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Speaker 1: could you get in trouble for that with the political

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Speaker 1: commissars and the Diversity office without any sin or talk

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Speaker 1: radio embellishment. I think the answer has to be yet,

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Speaker 1: based on the report that I got from the diversity bureaucrats,

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Speaker 1: the diverse acrats, they made clear that anything that someone

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Speaker 1: would object to was actionable. Um that you're you know,

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Speaker 1: we believe in free speech unless someone feels offended. And

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Speaker 1: that's why in my resignation letter in my Wawcare journal

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Speaker 1: op ed, I detailed presented various very realistic hypothetical you know,

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Speaker 1: Supreme Courts deciding cases on abortion and guns. This month,

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Speaker 1: if I laud the overturning of Rov Wade and supporting

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Speaker 1: of gun rights. If this fall when the court takes

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Speaker 1: up affirmative action, and I argue, as is the mainstream position,

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Speaker 1: that the fourteenth Amendment prohibits racial discrimination or hiring admitting

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Speaker 1: someone based on race, those if someone offends is offended

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Speaker 1: by that, if they quote the dean's own word build

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Speaker 1: train or the being you know, writing that what I

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Speaker 1: said undermines the anesthetical to our mission of promoting diversity inclusion,

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Speaker 1: Well that's that's actionable. Absolutely, That's why this is fundamentally

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Speaker 1: an untenable position. That's why I would you know, I

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Speaker 1: backing away from a fight. But there's no way for

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Speaker 1: so rather than either try to walk on eggshows to

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Speaker 1: have to get ahead of this and just say this

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Speaker 1: is untenable and I quit, and I can't do this

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Speaker 1: and try to you know the reason I'm talking to you,

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Speaker 1: among many many other reporters all week is to sound

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Speaker 1: the alarm about what's going on in academia and more broadly, Ilia.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Thank you for Thank you for fighting

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Speaker 1: the fight that you're fighting. It's important. You can go

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Speaker 1: read that editorial. It's linked at Clay and Buck dot com.

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Speaker 1: Clay and I are getting ready to think a whole

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Speaker 1: I agree with that with our friend Bill O'Reilly when

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Speaker 1: think it will be nothing new. They're going to do

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Speaker 1: this this pretense of the big reveal. It's totally correct

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Speaker 1: that there would already be some kind of a tease

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Speaker 1: out there. They couldn't have kept it quiet. They're just

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Speaker 1: they're gonna say this all about it's all about Trump,

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Speaker 1: and they're going to say that this is the worst

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Speaker 1: we will hear. And I think that it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a big, a big bowl of nothing. And on Friday,

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Speaker 1: they're going to have to deal with you much more real,

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Speaker 1: the much more imminent challenge of inflation. So what do

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Speaker 1: seven point nine percent, and they're gonna I think it'll

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Speaker 1: be right at eight again. And I think that's why

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Speaker 1: If you're a person out there who's having to deal

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Speaker 1: put on television. Are you going to think, oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad that these politicians are focused on something that

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Speaker 1: happened eighteen months ago, or you're going to be sick

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Speaker 1: that you're facing right now today. I guess they think

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Speaker 1: in the mid terms. But I really do I really

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Speaker 1: do think this from a strategy perspective, not from what

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Speaker 1: I hope is true perspective Democrats, it's largely going to

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Speaker 1: doesn't convince anybody who wasn't going to vote Democrat anyway

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Speaker 1: to vote Democrat. Right, maybe you could try to argue

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Speaker 1: that it helps with base turnout at some level, but

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Speaker 1: to say, oh, thanks for reminding me about January six

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Speaker 1: forget about gas prices, inflation, the border crime in cities.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote Democrat because of the Januaries, the January sixth.

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Speaker 1: I hate that they've they've really managed to use this.

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Speaker 1: They get this term insurrection throw around so much it

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Speaker 1: is it shows you the power of their propaganda. It

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Speaker 1: officers were killed. Say it tonight, I guarantee say it tonight.

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Speaker 1: That's not true. That's just not true. And if you're

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Speaker 1: because that is the standard that they are setting up

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Speaker 1: to say that the person died from that incident. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: oh Man We're gonna watch it. We gotta. This is

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Speaker 1: what we do for this team, though, This is what

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Speaker 1: sweaty Adam Schiff be grossed annoying so that they can

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Speaker 1: the Jam six hearing so we can be ready to

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Speaker 1: talk about them for you tomorrow. And then you know

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen. The inflation number is going to

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Speaker 1: come out and everybody is going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: inflation tomorrow morning because it's what actually impacts people, and

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Speaker 1: the Democrats look even more tone deaf that they manage

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Speaker 1: so be sure to join us here on Clay and

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Speaker 1: Buck talk to you in just a bit flat. Travis

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth,