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Speaker 3: At the Clarks River Bottoms.
Speaker 2: Kevin Murphy. Don't forget that. Cheers, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy joining us here in South Texas, sitting with
Speaker 1: a fruitcake in front of them.
Speaker 3: Fruitcake made by my master gun smith and duck dig
Speaker 3: duck call maker Hambone. His daughter made that. That's a
Speaker 3: Christmas tradition at their family that she makes fruitcakes and
Speaker 3: he hands them out to his friends.
Speaker 1: So so your buddy hamdbone makes fixes guns, makes fruitcake.
Speaker 1: His daughter makes fruitcakes, and he makes duck.
Speaker 3: Calls Hambone can do anything. He is a old film mechanics,
Speaker 3: business mechanic, film mechanic.
Speaker 1: He made the metal red duck calls metal read. He's
Speaker 1: got a metal hamdbone.
Speaker 2: Where's the what one? Hamdbone? Made this?
Speaker 1: I call it the f FD design.
Speaker 2: Do you want to explain what that to the audience?
Speaker 2: I tuned it. I tuned it to my liking.
Speaker 3: That's I don't think he likes it.
Speaker 2: I wish I should go get mine liking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me see that sounds good.
Speaker 2: H too much air?
Speaker 4: You're too much air escape. I'm not too much escape
Speaker 4: now because it's hitting your mic.
Speaker 2: That's good. God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got a metal read in it. Handbone made that. Yes, Okay, Kevin,
Speaker 1: you're here. We're gonna, we're gonna do You're gonna We're
Speaker 1: gonna get your feedback on a bunch of things I
Speaker 1: want you to tell about.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I want you and I want you to pitch your
Speaker 1: your habitat restoration project, which is I read it as
Speaker 1: the war against dudes that wait like wakeboarding.
Speaker 2: Uh, It's it's fine to call it like it is. Dude,
Speaker 2: like it is.
Speaker 1: This is what I call it, your wake boat. Your
Speaker 1: wake boat is killing Kevin's fishery.
Speaker 2: Let's call it like it is.
Speaker 3: Now, it's more than that. It's it's the it's worse
Speaker 3: than that. They I'm not gonna say war. It's the
Speaker 3: Conference Sure against Recreational Boating that has destroyed our Button
Speaker 3: Bush habitat along our lake shore of Lake Barkley.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a T shirt that says, your wakeboard
Speaker 1: is killing my fish.
Speaker 3: I believe that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just let's call it like it is.
Speaker 1: I probably got dear friends, you know, like when you
Speaker 1: used to like if you say something bad, you like,
Speaker 1: some of my best friends are wakeboarders. I think they
Speaker 1: might be actually, well really it's it's but I think
Speaker 1: Travis Barton likes that stuff.
Speaker 2: Is a.
Speaker 4: He's one of those guys when I'm up there on
Speaker 4: Cane Ferry trying to have a nice, nice, peaceful day.
Speaker 1: No, he goes back to he goes back to Minnesota
Speaker 1: and destroys habitat.
Speaker 2: Just it might be wrong.
Speaker 1: He's a water ski but he might not be a
Speaker 1: wakeboard awake boat guy.
Speaker 5: The difference between a water ski boat and a wakeboarding
Speaker 5: boat that that wake is ten times.
Speaker 2: Day, night and day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna start beating up water skiers that
Speaker 1: come from a long line of water skiers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they're part of their problem too. It's recreational
Speaker 3: bowers and marinas that there used to be a for
Speaker 3: of engineer plan that after July the fourth they would
Speaker 3: start drawing the lake down because Barkley Lake is a
Speaker 3: flood storage. Like, that's why it was built after the
Speaker 3: thirty seven flood.
Speaker 1: If we're just gonna get into this right now, let's
Speaker 1: get into this in a minute, because I need to
Speaker 1: we need to tell a full story.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to blame those guys.
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna wage war on stand up
Speaker 1: paddle borders, but I realized I don't have any reason to.
Speaker 2: They don't make a wake.
Speaker 1: My only grape with them was I don't when people
Speaker 1: start doing a thing that didn't used to exist, I
Speaker 1: always wonder what they were doing before it existed, because
Speaker 1: I don't do the stuff I do if people have
Speaker 1: been doing since the beginning of time m hm, recreationally.
Speaker 1: So when stand up paddle boarding became a thing, all
Speaker 1: I could think about.
Speaker 2: Was what were you doing before?
Speaker 1: The only thing were you doing before pickleballs? No, what
Speaker 1: do you mean now, I don't think that those people
Speaker 1: there playing. I don't think when you see people playing pickleball,
Speaker 1: I don't think that a few years ago they were
Speaker 1: playing table tennis or tennis and general. I think they
Speaker 1: were watching TV.
Speaker 4: Listen, my not that I'm for staying up paddle boarding,
Speaker 4: but just played the Devil's advocate controversial act of stand up.
Speaker 2: Back, I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not my thing, but whatever. Back in
Speaker 4: the day when they were when logging was heavy, heavy,
Speaker 4: and they were floating logs down rivers, there was always
Speaker 4: a guy up there with a pole the original sup
Speaker 4: that that stood on the logs and make sure they
Speaker 4: all So that's an argument for it.
Speaker 1: Just to irritate me. Back in the day, they were
Speaker 1: doing it just to irritate me. I think just to
Speaker 1: irritate me. My wife went and bought our kids to
Speaker 1: stand up paddles just to stick it to me. And
Speaker 1: now I gotta like store them and get them out
Speaker 1: and blow them up and move them around and tie
Speaker 1: him down to stuff.
Speaker 2: I use them every while. You've never paddle No, so
Speaker 2: what if you did it and like it turns.
Speaker 1: Out you're like, well, I got to tie him on
Speaker 1: top of the car all the time for my kids.
Speaker 1: That might be your things when you see me out
Speaker 1: in my yard, are gonna.
Speaker 3: Be like, what a hypocritic.
Speaker 5: On a lake just paddling around and enjoying yourself. And
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say, I wonder what he did before paddle board?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What that guy used to watch TV all day long. Uh,
Speaker 1: here's a here's a deal. Here's the deal. To chaw on,
Speaker 1: we have long talked about uh at the podcast here,
Speaker 1: which has been airing for a century, We've long talked
Speaker 1: about splitting. We've long talked about splitting the show into
Speaker 1: news and commentary and interview because now I know we'll
Speaker 1: have an interview guest on the show and he'll have
Speaker 1: to sit there. He doesn't know what that Let's say
Speaker 1: some anthropologists never listen to the show in his life
Speaker 1: and easier to talk about like you know, Clovis research,
Speaker 1: and he's got to sit there while we talk about
Speaker 1: the news and talk about stand up paddle boarding and
Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy's fruitcake. So the guy's just sitting there like
Speaker 1: you know, he twddle and thumbs. He feels like he's
Speaker 1: not in on the joke. Whatever, So we talked about
Speaker 1: splitting the show. We're officially splitting the show starting in March.
Speaker 1: Starting in March, you're gonna see two versions of the
Speaker 1: Meat Eater podcast pop up. You're gonna see media podcast.
Speaker 1: Is gonna be the news show, which is like news
Speaker 1: and commentary. Okay, we're gonna cover your news. We're gonna
Speaker 1: cover our news. We're gonna cover the news. The second
Speaker 1: drop is gonna be the interview show, where we have
Speaker 1: on biologists, researchers, archaeologists, authors.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, and then I know everybody hates it. Now and
Speaker 1: then a politician will come on the interview show, and
Speaker 1: that'll be a weekly show. The interview show, the normal
Speaker 1: podcast where we interview experts in various fields of the outdoors.
Speaker 1: That'll be Mondays. Okay, that's the Monday. That's the regular
Speaker 1: Monday drop that you know and love. Recently, we had
Speaker 1: on a guy talking about his book about the Edmund Fitzgerald. Okay,
Speaker 1: for instance, that which is called The Sinking of the
Speaker 1: Edmund Fitzgerald. That's the interview show. That's Mondays as normal,
Speaker 1: the news show. Okay, the news show, which again covers
Speaker 1: your news, so listener feedback, corrections, our news, what we've
Speaker 1: been up to, making fruitcakes, whatever, and the news, national news,
Speaker 1: local news, any news that would influence your thinking, influence
Speaker 1: your actions as a hunter and angler. That's the news show.
Speaker 1: The news show drops fresh. Okay, you've heard us talk
Speaker 1: about flops where I'm like, why can't we just make
Speaker 1: an episode and fop there. It comes out as fast
Speaker 1: as fill the engineer can get it ready to go,
Speaker 1: it will drop. So that if we say, hey, in
Speaker 1: the new it was yesterday, that's what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: it just drops. It comes out flop when it's ready.
Speaker 1: The news show hits. It's just gonna be. It hits
Speaker 1: when it hits, so watch for it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: As part of this, we're drawing in all the brain power.
Speaker 1: We're drawing in all the brain power and all the
Speaker 1: story making power of the guys you know from Radio Live.
Speaker 1: But in order to do this more urgent news show,
Speaker 1: which comes out when news happens every week, and it
Speaker 1: comes out when it comes out where sunsetting in March
Speaker 1: Radio Live, so that we're not held to it being
Speaker 1: at a specific time. Was it eleven o'clock on Thursdays
Speaker 1: will no longer be beholden to being like it's live
Speaker 1: at eleven on Thursdays. So the guys from that, the
Speaker 1: guys you know in the driver's chair at Radio Live,
Speaker 1: are coming over to the news show, and we're taking
Speaker 1: many aspects of that format bringing it to the news show,
Speaker 1: which is quicker response time. So Radio Live well Sunset
Speaker 1: in favor of creating a the news show. The news Okay,
Speaker 1: stay tuned for all that, all the stuff you love.
Speaker 1: Corrections go ahead.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people are gonna really enjoy that.
Speaker 1: I think so people will be pissed, people will like
Speaker 1: it's like everything, just like everything. We had on a
Speaker 1: guy speak about the you know you can't please Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't make everyone happy. We had a guy on
Speaker 1: the ore day he killed a big, huge buck downtown,
Speaker 1: but he's also running for governor Ohio. Rob right, Rob
Speaker 1: saying yeah right. He's like, hey, did you what was
Speaker 1: the audience response to the interview? And I said, man,
Speaker 1: I don't look, this is gonna sound terrible. I don't
Speaker 1: look at comments. I told him out look at comments
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be captured. There's a thing
Speaker 1: called being captured by an audience, right, Like you hear
Speaker 1: people bitching about stuff, and then you change your way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you change your perception, your opinions, yeah, your actions.
Speaker 1: Wish I could pull I'm want to pull this up.
Speaker 1: He was talking about the hazard of listening to people complaining.
Speaker 2: Let me find this. This is interesting. Someone talk about
Speaker 2: something real quick, but not for too long.
Speaker 3: What about our dog guard here boys.
Speaker 2: At arch.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be rep behind those three dogs there.
Speaker 2: Okay, check this out.
Speaker 1: I don't get you know, you get certain dudes that
Speaker 1: just complain about everything all the time.
Speaker 2: Well, one guy was saying.
Speaker 1: One guy commented on the Rob sand episode Rob saying,
Speaker 1: is uh, he was discussing his faith as a Christian,
Speaker 1: and he's also discussing how he's running for governor of
Speaker 1: Iowa as a Democrat. And the guy in the comments
Speaker 1: section was like, a Democrat can't be a Christian. I'm like,
Speaker 1: did you read that in the Bible?
Speaker 2: So, uh, we're talking about like people who complain all
Speaker 2: the time. He sent me this.
Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen. Okay, there were eight thousand, seven hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty formal complaints submitted to the Ronald Reagan Washington
Speaker 1: National Airport about noise pollution. Okay, So, twenty fifteen, eight thousand,
Speaker 1: seven hundred and sixty formal complaints about noise pollution at
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan Airport. Six thousand, eight hundred and fifty two
Speaker 1: of them came from a single house in an affluent
Speaker 1: neighborhood in Washington, d C. In twenty fifteen, that house,
Speaker 1: members of that household submitted nineteen formal complaints per day.
Speaker 2: Wow, jeez, someone, Oh my god. Okay, they need to
Speaker 2: pick up the US Listen to this.
Speaker 1: The US Department of Education has an Office for Civil
Speaker 1: Rights and they enforce civil rights laws related to education funding.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, they received five thousand and fifty
Speaker 1: nine sexual discrimination complaints from a single person.
Speaker 2: So they had a total of eighty.
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty one formal sexual discrimination complaints, of
Speaker 1: which five thousand and fifty nine came from one person.
Speaker 1: So one person accounted for sixty eight point five percent
Speaker 1: of all sexual discrimination complaints in that year.
Speaker 2: Point being you got watch out. Uh where was that
Speaker 2: going with that? Oh?
Speaker 1: Anyways, we're launching when the new news show launches, we're
Speaker 1: going to launch a contest called Corrections of the Week.
Speaker 1: You can win correction of the week by catching us
Speaker 1: being wrong about something. And it could be that we're wrong,
Speaker 1: or it could be an error by omission right, an
Speaker 1: error viral mission. And I explain what that means in
Speaker 1: a previous episode. Uh So, here's some corrections from the
Speaker 1: recent apple. I'm gonna skip ones who already kind of
Speaker 1: covered it, and the guy's wrong, and the guy's wrong.
Speaker 2: From our most recent episode. What was this one called?
Speaker 1: We had a recent episode and we had a segment
Speaker 1: on there called Skunk's Ruined a Marriage? And I was
Speaker 1: talking about a guy whose wife wants to divorce him
Speaker 1: or his marriage is getting rocky because he's taking up
Speaker 1: skunk trapping because the skunk prices are so high his
Speaker 1: wife can't handle the constant smell of skunk's around. I
Speaker 1: comment that I think he just needs to tell her
Speaker 1: baby trapping season don't last.
Speaker 2: All year long.
Speaker 1: And some smart alec thinks he's got a correction.
Speaker 2: He looks up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Seth explain why I'm gonna correct his correction.
Speaker 1: He corrects it and says, hey, I caught you. Oklahoma's
Speaker 1: uh lists skunks as being open year round, no daily season,
Speaker 1: no possession limit, no bag limit. So ha, you're wrong.
Speaker 1: Trapping season is all year seth.
Speaker 4: Their hides are only prime for a certain part of
Speaker 4: the year. Turned to correction, only worth money for a
Speaker 4: certain period of time.
Speaker 1: When they're prime, when they're so correction in your face, buddy,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna call it?
Speaker 2: Corrected? Correction? That's one I don't know.
Speaker 1: Then I win something I win, We give him a prize,
Speaker 1: and then take it back, take it back, this guy says,
Speaker 1: I was saying.
Speaker 2: He says he was a guy. I was saying that.
Speaker 1: He was like saying, now, I'm no Jeremiah Johnson, but
Speaker 1: I'm a pretty good trapper. And I said, Jeremiah Johnson
Speaker 1: isn't held out as a good trapper. He doesn't put
Speaker 1: up numbers. And I was telling him, if you were like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm no John Graham, I'm no Mercer Longing, I'm no
Speaker 1: Craig O'Gorman, I'm no Slim Peterson, I'm no Mike Marciada.
Speaker 4: They're good trappers. He was saying, I'm no famous trapper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, I'm no Jeremiah Johnson, but there's no
Speaker 1: reason to believe Jeremia Johnson was ever.
Speaker 2: Good at trapping. He catches like.
Speaker 1: He comes in with a beaver one day and his
Speaker 1: wife acts. His wife looks surprised. It was around that
Speaker 1: time when he shaved his beard and it was giving
Speaker 1: her like he had to shave his beard because it's
Speaker 1: make irritating her face. He comes in with a beaver
Speaker 1: and she looks like, oh my god, he got one.
Speaker 1: I'm not making this up.
Speaker 3: I know the saying.
Speaker 1: There's another scene where they're hout of food and he
Speaker 1: tells Caleb, his his boy, that the mute boy he
Speaker 1: takes under his wing. He says, take note of where
Speaker 1: I place those traps and go fetch us some real food.
Speaker 2: That's it. You don't see him.
Speaker 1: He don't have a big barn full of three hundred
Speaker 1: beavers he caught, no reason to believe he's a good trapper.
Speaker 3: I think she might have been serving him up some
Speaker 3: saltkeek yep.
Speaker 1: No, she was always making a flatbread out of corn meal.
Speaker 2: He didn't like it.
Speaker 1: So then this guy comes back, Steve, you are mistaken.
Speaker 1: There is a scene depicting Jeremiah Johnson as a successful trapper.
Speaker 1: If you have watched it nearly a thousand times like myself,
Speaker 1: you would know it's not narrated but clearly depicted.
Speaker 2: Good luck on future screw ups. Wow, man, this guy
Speaker 2: like trying to stick it to.
Speaker 1: Me is no, I'm a Jeremy. I'm Jeremiah Johnson through
Speaker 1: and through.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: It's a great movie. There is no reason to believe
Speaker 1: that Jeremiah Johnson is a good trapper.
Speaker 4: Did he say where in the see has no facts
Speaker 4: to back it up.
Speaker 2: So in your face, buddy on prize withdrawn, prize revoked.
Speaker 2: Good Luck on future corrections.
Speaker 1: Joined today by Seth Morris, County, Max Barta, and Chili
Speaker 1: Pecante not Chili Pecan. Here's a real correction. This is
Speaker 1: a real, flat out good correction. This guy wins Craction
Speaker 1: of the week and this is what I deserve and
Speaker 1: it's he's right. Comes in from Texas Parks and Wildlife
Speaker 1: law Enforcement, from State h q M all the way
Speaker 1: from the top means business. He says, I was listen
Speaker 1: to the latest podcast this morning.
Speaker 2: This is an old one.
Speaker 1: We've been sitting on this one because I wanted to
Speaker 1: do the correction from Texas so it felt real. I
Speaker 1: made a comment in a past episode, saying that Texas
Speaker 1: has a law that allows you to cross property lines
Speaker 1: to retrieve game if you're unarmed.
Speaker 2: Okay, common law.
Speaker 1: Where I got that was I remember we were hunting
Speaker 1: sand hill cranes up in the Panhandle, and I remember
Speaker 1: I hit a crane and it sailed off but went
Speaker 1: down across property lines. My buddy said, go ahead and
Speaker 1: get it, but leave your shotgun on this side of
Speaker 1: the fence. The warden wrote in he says, I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you that didn't happen, And maybe your buddy had
Speaker 1: an understanding with the neighbor, but it was just like
Speaker 1: a permission we got. So maybe my buddy was wrong,
Speaker 1: So I'm not telling your buddy didn't say that.
Speaker 2: But that's not true.
Speaker 1: In Texas, you would have to secure permission from that neighbor,
Speaker 1: armed or unarmed, to cross his fence to do retrieval.
Speaker 1: That is not You do not have that right in Texas.
Speaker 1: There's not a retrieval right in Texas.
Speaker 2: Can you do that? In South Dakota you can.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to just leave your your shotgun or
Speaker 6: whatever on like you're hunting ditch chickens, like hunting the
Speaker 6: ditches in South Dakota, which is legal. If you gets
Speaker 6: up flies over shoot it over the neighbor someone's property,
Speaker 6: you can go get it. You can cross that boundary,
Speaker 6: but you have to leave your gun like in a
Speaker 6: public spot. And most state is that South Dakota.
Speaker 2: Can bring your dog with you too. You know, that's
Speaker 2: a great question. I don't know if the dog is allowed.
Speaker 2: I'd rather bring my dog over than a buddy. Yep. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd be curious to know if you could like just
Speaker 2: send your like, send Ruby out there.
Speaker 4: To go to the reason.
Speaker 1: You probably can because in most places, if a dog,
Speaker 1: a dog doesn't get sighted.
Speaker 5: For trespassing and a dog isn't armed either, Yeah, well
Speaker 5: mine is well, but uh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So just for for folks to keep mind, this is
Speaker 1: a real state by state issue retrieval. There's places where
Speaker 1: retrieval is allowed. I can't think of one of the states,
Speaker 1: but I remember guys saying that he lived in the
Speaker 1: state where retrieval is allowed, but he was saying at
Speaker 1: a courtesy he would never do it. Oh it was
Speaker 1: the guy that has that little postage stamp piece of ground.
Speaker 2: What state was he in? Oklahoma?
Speaker 1: You found his property? No, doctor Randall on X somehow
Speaker 1: Randall found the property. What state was that guy in?
Speaker 1: I think either way, it was a state where you
Speaker 1: were retrieval is allowed. So you you shoot a deer,
Speaker 1: deer runs across fence in this state, you could go
Speaker 1: get it. So there's states were retrievals allowed. Their states
Speaker 1: were unarmed retrievals allowed, their states were retrieval is not
Speaker 1: allowed in states were retrieval is not allowed. I would
Speaker 1: recommend if you had that situation, you might step one,
Speaker 1: ask for permission for retrieval. If you are denied retrieval permission,
Speaker 1: I would do a step two. And you're not calling
Speaker 1: up to complain, but a step two would be called
Speaker 1: your local game warden. Explain to your local game warden
Speaker 1: here's what happened. Maybe the game warden, if he's got time,
Speaker 1: would have better luck having a conversation with the neighbor
Speaker 1: to say, I will accompany the hunter or will you
Speaker 1: allow me to go over and drag it back over?
Speaker 1: That might be a good step to take.
Speaker 3: So let me chap in here a little bit. Please,
Speaker 3: you remember amish Jason went rapt with us. Yep, his family, well,
Speaker 3: he looks homish. His family got into a little scuffle.
Speaker 3: The sixteen year old son shot a dacent buck. It
Speaker 3: ran over to the neighbor's property that was leased to
Speaker 3: some dudes from out of state, and it died, and
Speaker 3: before they could get it, those guide guys they scooped
Speaker 3: it up. The landowner, the rental guys out of state
Speaker 3: buck it up, and then it's like they kind of
Speaker 3: had the picture of the deer on the trail camera,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden they meet them at
Speaker 3: the like at the gas station. They've got the deer
Speaker 3: in the back of the of the truck and they're
Speaker 3: taking pictures and stuff of it. They see it. Then
Speaker 3: they get the game warning involved, and then that's when
Speaker 3: they find out that in Kentucky there's no you've got
Speaker 3: to have landover and permission. When that deer goes over
Speaker 3: there and dies, it becomes that landowners deer got in Kentucky.
Speaker 2: So what wound up happening.
Speaker 1: Every game is deer back.
Speaker 3: I think eventually got his deer back because the outs anyways,
Speaker 3: it's like, man.
Speaker 1: Picture the world in which you'd have it stuff down
Speaker 1: the wall and be like, oh sweet, where'd you get
Speaker 1: that buck? Well, the neighbor kid got it, but I
Speaker 1: took it from them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dudes pour in from out of state here
Speaker 3: in Kentucky now, and they pay absorbit at prices for
Speaker 3: land into like three or four thousand dollars a weekend
Speaker 3: to hunt to shoot a one twenty five light tail,
Speaker 3: and they do not want to go home without something
Speaker 3: that all the money that they've invested feeding deer. I
Speaker 3: worked on a project over in Critney County, and I
Speaker 3: was amazed that come in August September, all the trucks
Speaker 3: from out of state that would come in with just
Speaker 3: a damn pickup load of deer feed and deer feeders
Speaker 3: on our start feeding the deer and doing that. So
Speaker 3: it's a huge industry in Kentucky that everybody is like,
Speaker 3: it's under the radar. Nobody wants to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Nothing worse than a dude hunting out of his own states.
Speaker 2: You can't see that. You should be illegal. You can't
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 1: That tell you that straight from Texas. Oh guy had
Speaker 1: this a little bit just to circle back on this
Speaker 1: skunk situation. Then we're gonna put the skunk situation to bed.
Speaker 1: This is I think this is a wives tale. Say
Speaker 1: water witching. Kevin and I had a long argument. Kevin
Speaker 1: believes the water witching.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I do not.
Speaker 3: My friend David Johnson, he is a supreme water witcher.
Speaker 2: Don't don't take the bait he's going to be on.
Speaker 1: You're taking the bait. I was trying to rage bait. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how fast you watched the guy of water witch.
Speaker 3: He's written several Me and him. We went out there
Speaker 3: and there's zones of concentration, got them zones of concentration,
Speaker 3: and that's where are the first American hunters, the first Americans,
Speaker 3: they would build their camp sites a lot of times
Speaker 3: on zones of concentrated water. Sure underground, not great.
Speaker 2: They have to do with water witching.
Speaker 3: He can once he finds goes out in that like
Speaker 3: the mega complex that we're working on. He went in
Speaker 3: and water witched it. And that's where we're concentrating our digs.
Speaker 3: And that's where we found the bottom tusk of a
Speaker 3: mastodon in the shape of a penis.
Speaker 1: I can't argue that, dude. I tell you, I believe
Speaker 1: everything everybody tells me. So now until someone tells me
Speaker 1: it's fake, I'm gonna tell him it's real. Craig you
Speaker 1: know what Craig saying. Craig Clay. Clay don't like any
Speaker 1: kind of thing that has to do with sorcery, you know,
Speaker 1: so he don't like it when you call it witching.
Speaker 1: I was telling you this he calls a thousand because
Speaker 1: he thinks witching makes it seem like a black art,
Speaker 1: a dark art. Anyhow, Skunks guy writes in to say this.
Speaker 1: This is a correction. It's a hot tip, he says.
Speaker 1: My dad traps skunks during World War Two for the government.
Speaker 1: He'd sell them to the government, he says, to make
Speaker 1: parka hoods eh that could be true. They had a
Speaker 1: skin and shed off the barn, and they'd have a
Speaker 1: fire burning and a barrel. It would throw a wet
Speaker 1: slice of this is I'm gonna read this verbatim because
Speaker 1: he's got some clever punctuation in here, which is proper.
Speaker 1: He says, and would throw a wet slice of I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure alfalfa hay on the fire to make it smoky,
Speaker 1: continuing the quote, that would kill the skunk, smell in
Speaker 1: the skin, and shed off the equipment as well as
Speaker 1: the skins.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it would.
Speaker 5: Mass the central it would complexify the odor, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 2: I think it would complexify the odor. I don't know
Speaker 2: that it would neutral the odor.
Speaker 6: We're just mixing different smells together.
Speaker 2: It smells, that's all you really don't. There's some good.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, the lower was tomato juice.
Speaker 1: Now the hot money, and I think it's legit. The
Speaker 1: hot money is like hydrogen peroxide, don dish detergent, and
Speaker 1: there's a third and bacon soda, and you make a
Speaker 1: frothy shampoo and skunk trappers. When they get one, it'll spray.
Speaker 1: You'll legit. They'll make up that little concoction. I've tried it,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was like it didn't eradicate the smell.
Speaker 1: But they'll make up that concoction and no joke. Give
Speaker 1: that skunk a little bath and it's frothy. You scrub
Speaker 1: them down in it interesting.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe you should try that, same as marriage.
Speaker 4: I got sprayed by skunk one time and just left
Speaker 4: my clothes outside for months. Yeah, so I just went away.
Speaker 1: I had a guy telling me a story. You might
Speaker 1: have been there when he told us the story. He
Speaker 1: threw some clothes out in the yard because it got
Speaker 1: sprayed by a skunk and waited so long that the
Speaker 1: upward facing part of the clothes had begun to bleach,
Speaker 1: so that he said, when he lifted it up, you
Speaker 1: could tell the.
Speaker 2: Parts of the clumpered up, crumpled up clothes.
Speaker 1: You could tell the parts that had got sun bleach
Speaker 1: and the parts that hadn't, because it got like a
Speaker 1: tie die appearance to it. And he said he smelled
Speaker 1: that some of a bitch and still smelled like skunk. Oh, really,
Speaker 1: it's what he said. It's what he said.
Speaker 3: I've got a good skunk story.
Speaker 2: Please be sure you do with all your dogs.
Speaker 3: It's probably like nineteen eighty seventy nine, maybe eighty one.
Speaker 3: Furt prices was up pretty high, and everybody was trapping
Speaker 3: and had some kind of mongrel dog and stuff. And
Speaker 3: I had a dog named Artie, and we'd go out
Speaker 3: at night and you could get six dollars for a
Speaker 3: big possum then. So we had got out one night
Speaker 3: and roamed around and he loved to catch a skunk
Speaker 3: and he'd got into the skunk. And I come back
Speaker 3: home and it was probably like eleven thirty twelve o'clock
Speaker 3: at night. I'm creeping in the door open up the door.
Speaker 3: I'm still living with my mom and dad, and we
Speaker 3: got a pretty good sized house and they're on the
Speaker 3: like very back end, and like I know, more than
Speaker 3: get like ten feet in the house there, and my
Speaker 3: dad's screaming at me to tell me to take my
Speaker 3: clothes off that he can smell that skunk on me.
Speaker 3: I go back outside, strip my clothes off, and go
Speaker 3: in and take a shyer. But I mean, it was
Speaker 3: that quick. As soon as I hit the door, they
Speaker 3: got in the back of the house. They can smell that.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: It is just I have immense respect for that solution.
Speaker 2: That liquid in a skunk.
Speaker 1: That I mean, I don't think that a human could make.
Speaker 1: I don't think in a lab you could make as
Speaker 1: pugnacious or resilient of an odor in a laboratory.
Speaker 2: That stuff too.
Speaker 4: Like when you smell skunk at a one hundred yards,
Speaker 4: it smells like skunk, but when you really get in there.
Speaker 2: It turns into something different.
Speaker 1: My dream is to get real mad at someone and
Speaker 1: skunk them. Well, I just want to take a hypodermic
Speaker 1: needle of skunk and just give a little and put
Speaker 1: that inject it into their car seat.
Speaker 2: Oh god, cause you know.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine they would look and look and look,
Speaker 1: you could find it, right, it would never stop looking
Speaker 1: and they'd never find it.
Speaker 2: What's that liquid even called skunk scent?
Speaker 1: Well, if you went to buy it, if you went
Speaker 1: to buy it, you'd be buying some skunk. Okay, Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm making a thing called I'm not in the market.
Speaker 2: Well I am.
Speaker 1: We've had it, Well, we've get we sold it in
Speaker 1: the auction house of bodities.
Speaker 2: What did it go for? I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I'm making a thing right now called the Nelson formula.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a kyote bait formula I'm making. And
Speaker 1: the first step is you grind bob kept meat and
Speaker 1: you put it out to taint. You put a taint
Speaker 1: on it. Chili thought it. Chili literally put his taint
Speaker 1: on it, not realizing that what I meant was you
Speaker 1: put it.
Speaker 2: He thought it was. When I said we're gonna put
Speaker 2: a taint on it, I'm just out there spreading agle.
Speaker 4: Turn.
Speaker 1: I said, no, no, Chili, well, we were going to
Speaker 1: ride it ever so slightly.
Speaker 2: Were not gonna put it. We're gonna let it taint.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna put a good in this shift bad
Speaker 2: judgment right there. But that's the guy. He's quick.
Speaker 1: You know, you tell me somebody doesn't. I'm putting a
Speaker 1: taint on it, right. This is part of a broader project.
Speaker 1: This is part of a book. This is part of
Speaker 1: a book project. I'm beginning about the history of and
Speaker 1: characters involved in the American fur trade through time, right
Speaker 1: since the beginning of time. When they established Manhattan, it
Speaker 1: was a beaver. They established Manhattan. It was like a
Speaker 1: beaver trading outpost.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So as part of this thing that's like a fun
Speaker 1: little bit, I'm making this very famous bait formula called
Speaker 1: the Nelson formula. Step one is you take some bobcat meat,
Speaker 1: chunk it up or grind it down, and then rode
Speaker 1: it in your garage for a long time. You take
Speaker 1: a glass jar philip, glass gallon jar Philip two thirds
Speaker 1: full and start ritting it down. Dardelle's making my daughter
Speaker 1: and her friends smell it. They want me to make
Speaker 1: oh Yanni's daughter, Mabel and Rosie. They wanted me to
Speaker 1: make smash burgers for dinner. And I told him I
Speaker 1: was gonna make cat smash burgers out of that burger
Speaker 1: spake of smellad my daughter, do she want to go
Speaker 1: near that jar?
Speaker 2: And behind his daughter's stuck her?
Speaker 1: What else is in the bait? So then once you
Speaker 1: get you make a solution. So you make you grind
Speaker 1: up the cat meat and let it taint. Then you
Speaker 1: make a solution in another jar. And the solution is
Speaker 1: comprised of pure rain, water, fine red fox, piss, valerian root,
Speaker 1: some the other root called like a feeda. Some people
Speaker 1: say it gives you the ships, and some people say
Speaker 1: it cures the ships.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to try it up. Yeah, I want
Speaker 2: to clarify that.
Speaker 1: I ordered something it's hard to find. I'm sure a tincture,
Speaker 1: so it's been a word. I don't like tincture. A
Speaker 1: tincture of this root that goes in there. And in
Speaker 1: the Nelson formula it was real smudge. And I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell if it meant twelve bounces or a half ounce,
Speaker 1: And Mercer Long told me definitely a half ounce.
Speaker 2: You wanna put twelve bounces of that stuff in there? Fox?
Speaker 1: So I said, fox, skunk, essence, beaver, caster, vlarian root,
Speaker 1: this other root, what else is in it?
Speaker 2: That's it?
Speaker 1: And I took a bunch of beaver casters and cured
Speaker 1: them in moonshine, so that seeing that I took a
Speaker 1: sip of it, that took me eight hours to get
Speaker 1: that taste out of my mouth.
Speaker 2: I can imagine that moonshine I think he has.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if someone had it in him to drink the
Speaker 3: hydrome test it to see where.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if someone had it in him to drink enough
Speaker 1: of that moonshine to get drunk off that beaver caster moonshine,
Speaker 1: I would have a lot of respect for that individual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might even grow a tail.
Speaker 1: So that's the Nelson Why am I even talking about this?
Speaker 1: The Nelson formula?
Speaker 2: What the hell is I talking about talking about?
Speaker 1: The one part I don't have is the skunk castens.
Speaker 1: I gotta go secure me some skunk casts.
Speaker 4: We've had years where we couldn't get away from.
Speaker 2: Skut I know thicker thin not this year, rich and poor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of bobcasts, I got two other observations about bobcats.
Speaker 2: Doug Derren.
Speaker 1: Introduced me to my favorite saying he was talking about
Speaker 1: two guys being real good friends, and Doug said they're
Speaker 1: like nuts and a dog. A true friendship would be
Speaker 1: like nuts on a cat. That is a tight true friendship.
Speaker 2: That's real tight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's a true friendship.
Speaker 2: The nuts on a dog. Yeah, they're just always. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the guys that are very close with one another. They're
Speaker 2: not like the bulls that's out here. No nuts on
Speaker 2: the bullet I mean they're friendly.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they separate a little bit, but they always they always.
Speaker 2: Come back to You always find each other.
Speaker 1: Nuts on a cat, Yeah, like nuts on a big
Speaker 1: horn sheet. Like, so they like they're in touch, they're
Speaker 1: in contact. They text now and then they have each
Speaker 1: other's email. But like nuts on a cat, as you're like,
Speaker 1: last thing on Bobcats. How much have we talked about
Speaker 1: this whole Bobcat situation down here podcast?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, not so much what we're doing down here.
Speaker 1: But just like I feel like I've been like living,
Speaker 1: I've been like very I got to move away from it.
Speaker 1: I've been too obsessed with Bobcats lately. It's starting to
Speaker 1: interfere with my marriage, my professional.
Speaker 4: It's kind of I know, but I got everything we
Speaker 4: can text about, texted about in the last three months
Speaker 4: has been Bobcats.
Speaker 1: After the auction, after the fur auction, I'm setting all,
Speaker 1: I can't go on like I can't till next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like it's interfering with my personal life. It's
Speaker 1: interfering with my family, it's interfering.
Speaker 2: With my job. So I should stop sending you trail
Speaker 2: can picture.
Speaker 1: I don't want nothing to do with Bobcats after the auction.
Speaker 1: It's just been very interesting to me as we talked
Speaker 1: about that. Like Bobcat, I've always been I'm always interested
Speaker 1: in the fur markets. And as we covered, skunk prices
Speaker 1: are high right now and Bobcat prices are very high
Speaker 1: right now. I've got a very interesting book for you.
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring it on this trip, but I
Speaker 1: forgot it. And the title of it is the Bobcat.
Speaker 3: Of North America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be more and I'll take a look.
Speaker 3: See, you'll glean a lot of information.
Speaker 2: Well I might not. You will I might not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it goes you want to know why I might not?
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 2: We're good. Let's just check in.
Speaker 1: It's because listen, man, I'm not hacking out. I'm saying
Speaker 1: because it's from nineteen sixty. So that's great. But it's
Speaker 1: like it's gonna lack a lot of stuff. Modern coloring data.
Speaker 1: A lot of it's like, so much of what we
Speaker 1: know about how stuff moves.
Speaker 2: Is new.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll give you that that part of it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's based on history and what they knew about
Speaker 3: Bobcats when guys just lived in the village, not abologe,
Speaker 3: a guy that maybe made his living from the bounty
Speaker 3: on Bobcats. So when money gets involved, people find out
Speaker 3: how shit works money. How can we catch every damn
Speaker 3: one of them out there?
Speaker 1: That's a bumper sticker on your car, He's got a pro.
Speaker 1: He's got a coal keeps the lights on a bumper
Speaker 1: sticker on his car. Yeah, he's gonna switch that out
Speaker 1: with Well that's true of coal.
Speaker 3: Let's timber. They are first, and we'll do the other
Speaker 3: planets later.
Speaker 2: You know. Well that's your Yeah. I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with what you're saying about the money thing,
Speaker 1: but I don't. We need to be this is a
Speaker 1: whole other subject. We need to be all done cutting
Speaker 1: old growth. I don't want to debate it with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say much respect for you to sit
Speaker 3: here in debate with some part of it there. I
Speaker 3: used to be like the guy I hated loggers, timber
Speaker 3: cutters and all that.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3: And then we've got to manage our forest. There's a
Speaker 3: place for old growth, and there's a place to manage
Speaker 3: our forest. So we we were able to build nursery
Speaker 3: for all types of animals.
Speaker 1: Listen, man, here's the deal. I'm not even gonna tell
Speaker 1: you I disagree. That's fine. I'm gonna let you say
Speaker 1: that I don't agree.
Speaker 3: You know, some people come into Kentucky and they'll go
Speaker 3: into a forest and they call it old growth and
Speaker 3: it's like one hundred years old. Like he'll be l Yeah,
Speaker 3: they go up there, this is old growth. It's not
Speaker 3: old growth. When they came in to make iron and
Speaker 3: steel up there, they use the forest for fuel. They
Speaker 3: made charcoals out of that. The bulls and they cut
Speaker 3: everything down. So the oldest tree up there is probably
Speaker 3: less than one hundred years old.
Speaker 2: That's not old growth.
Speaker 3: That's not old but they classified as old growth. And
Speaker 3: then they petition the keyboard warriors. The one dude in
Speaker 3: there that is cranking out fourteen emails a day saying
Speaker 3: save our old growth forest in lbl or whatever forest
Speaker 3: is in Kentucky. It's been already been harvest it's not
Speaker 3: original oat growth forest. Yes, anything original o growth. I'm
Speaker 3: one hundred percent let's keep that baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I one hundred percent for habitat to make up
Speaker 1: for the fact that we're not using fire like we
Speaker 1: used to use. I'm all for managed forests. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of areas Northern Michigan, well much of Michigan, Michigan's
Speaker 1: Upper Peninsula, Like I could sit here and list places
Speaker 1: all day long that had had much better wildlife habitat
Speaker 1: for native wildlife when they were actively logging. Because you
Speaker 1: need different structures and age growth and all that. I'm
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. I am not a hands off guy.
Speaker 1: Most forests are disturbed. They require active management. You're not
Speaker 1: going to put the genie back in the bottle. Mankind
Speaker 1: has already gotten in there and whack things up, and
Speaker 1: mankind can do things to fix things.
Speaker 2: However, and.
Speaker 1: Not to disrespect anyone on the economic injury end of it,
Speaker 1: not to disrespect the walker who's making a living. I
Speaker 1: don't think that when it comes to four year, five
Speaker 1: year or four hundred, five hundred, six hundred year old trees,
Speaker 1: at this point, they're more valuable standing there.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I'm a hundred set with you
Speaker 3: on that part. Oh, back to Bobcats, Back to Bobcats.
Speaker 3: You know I'm a I'm a Bobcat guy man. When
Speaker 3: I was I got a great some great stories to
Speaker 3: tell you. When I was a kid, that was on
Speaker 3: my hit list. And in Kentucky, they didn't become legal
Speaker 3: till when the sight these saying come along. They didn't
Speaker 3: become legal toll like ninety one ninety two ish, they
Speaker 3: got off the list. You couldn't hunt them. You could
Speaker 3: hunt them at one time, and then when the Sights
Speaker 3: came along and all that, they took them off and
Speaker 3: they were restricted. But I remember as a kid going
Speaker 3: to Doc mos and Mosley was part of the Manhattan Project.
Speaker 3: He went into Hot Japan right after they dropped him.
Speaker 3: But I remember going to Doc Moseley's office getting a
Speaker 3: shot and ass with some pilling selling for five dollars.
Speaker 3: And I looked up there and he had two like
Speaker 3: kitten bobcats. I mean just little bitty, I mean most
Speaker 3: Bob gets. You see what he's like. Small, But I
Speaker 3: was always intrigued with him. And then I remember one
Speaker 3: day that me and Brookie Wicker we had camped out
Speaker 3: all night and we got up earlier.
Speaker 2: Grillery.
Speaker 3: It's a guy. We h he had a sister named Julie,
Speaker 3: Jennie and uh one more. Remember I could tell you
Speaker 3: another story, but.
Speaker 2: Bobcats g W.
Speaker 3: Terrell said, I put it in layman's turn.
Speaker 2: G W.
Speaker 3: Terrell said that Scott Wicker should have a medal for
Speaker 3: raising good looking women, so you could just read into that.
Speaker 3: So man, Brookie, we camped out all night and we're
Speaker 3: on the edge of Lake Barkley, and we go up
Speaker 3: Poplar Creek and we take our twenty twos. He's got
Speaker 3: a Winchester sixty one blow to his dad's got his
Speaker 3: initials engraved in it. S w somebody with some really
Speaker 3: skill with the engraver, not you. And then I've got
Speaker 3: the Bronco twenty two survival rifle. It's like all middle
Speaker 3: skeleton frame and it flips up. So we go out
Speaker 3: and we're shooting twenty two's, we're killing this, it's killing that.
Speaker 3: And there's this blackbird probably like forty yards wave good
Speaker 3: A good, a good piece. I bet you can't shoot
Speaker 3: that right there. And I go up and I take
Speaker 3: the Bronco up and I squeeze off a shot. He said, oh,
Speaker 3: you didn't get it. And about that time, the blackbird
Speaker 3: falls out of the tree. We take ten steps and
Speaker 3: here comes a bobcat trotting across the road in front
Speaker 3: of us twenty yards, turns and looks at us. We
Speaker 3: got no twenty two shells, so you'll never catch me
Speaker 3: with less than a hundred pack.
Speaker 2: Just threw a gun at it.
Speaker 3: True story, four hundred percent trough. So that I went
Speaker 3: from there and I started running with this guy named
Speaker 3: Jimmy McCoy, and he was obsessed with bobcat hunting, travel
Speaker 3: the whole United States from Maine, Wisconsin, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Oregon,
Speaker 3: you name it bobcat hunting, finding out what he needed
Speaker 3: to know about Bobcatt told me it took him ten
Speaker 3: years before he could he could catch a bobcat on
Speaker 3: his own with hand dogs, with hand dogs in Kentucky
Speaker 3: because we get limited amounts of snow at that time.
Speaker 3: Some of his hunting was like under the radar. So,
Speaker 3: like I said, he's the one that petitioned to get
Speaker 3: the bobcat legal trapper came in a bologist and he
Speaker 3: and he told him everything that he knew about it.
Speaker 3: So in the late eighty nine or so, I started
Speaker 3: hunting with them and learning how they do running dogs.
Speaker 3: We might go a whole season and not even catch
Speaker 3: one with dogs, yep, and killing.
Speaker 6: And then.
Speaker 3: I got a dog from him. I had another squirrel dog,
Speaker 3: the original Butchy, and within probably three years I was
Speaker 3: able to catch one on my own with the knowledge
Speaker 3: that I got from him.
Speaker 1: Is that the one you caught sneaking out ahead of.
Speaker 3: The dogs, Uh, Now, that was with him because I
Speaker 3: had his dog pack. The one with they got my
Speaker 3: kid seth And I showed you a picture of hanging
Speaker 3: from a sliprem tree. Yep, that's the one that was
Speaker 3: my first one. Let's see, that's the first one. I
Speaker 3: truly I ambushed some with some dogs, like road hunt
Speaker 3: down the road and they would push like a young
Speaker 3: kitten up a tree and just go in and shoot it.
Speaker 3: But I intentionally turned loose on that big boy twenty
Speaker 3: four pounds and caught him with the dogs.
Speaker 2: Got it, got it right? Now?
Speaker 1: Casts are real hot. This is kind of part of
Speaker 1: this whole deal I'm wanting to talk about.
Speaker 2: With cats.
Speaker 1: Cat prices are very high, so it's just got me
Speaker 1: interested in like this whole range of cats. So we're
Speaker 1: down here in South Texas and we just got some
Speaker 1: cats down here in South Texas predator calling for cats,
Speaker 1: and we caught some cats up in Montana. These are
Speaker 1: very very different extremes. Casts up in Montana are much bigger,
Speaker 1: thicker fur. Cast down in Texas are slender, lighter, thinner fur.
Speaker 1: But what makes a cat valuable or not is whether
Speaker 1: or not it has a white belly with clean black
Speaker 1: spots Texas casts in South Texas and cats in Montana
Speaker 1: have white bellies and black spots, so they're of value.
Speaker 1: Just for a point of reference, when I was actually
Speaker 1: when I actually sold fur and would trap and sell
Speaker 1: fur in Michigan, growing up at a point in time
Speaker 1: when the red fox was worth forty bucks, a bobcat
Speaker 1: was worth fifteen dollars. Because those bobcats out there aren't
Speaker 1: valuable because they don't have white bellies and black spots.
Speaker 1: They're not a spot, they're not nicely spotted. But right now,
Speaker 1: cat prices are crazy. Cats are consistently averaging more than
Speaker 1: five hundred bucks in the West right now, and there's
Speaker 1: some collections of cats selling at eight hundred bucks apiece. Okay,
Speaker 1: other poor areas of cats. Cats are running one to
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars. So Seth and I are making a
Speaker 1: video call. It's gonna be called Steven Seth get Rich,
Speaker 1: and we're taking some Montana cats and some Texas cats,
Speaker 1: and we're going to a famous bobcat auction, one of
Speaker 1: the top bobcat auctions in the country. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: where we're going. We're going to one of the top
Speaker 1: bobcat auctions in the country. Seth can't goacas. His wife's
Speaker 1: having a baby's being a baby about it.
Speaker 2: You and I are going. Me and Max are going, yeah,
Speaker 2: thanks for stepping in.
Speaker 1: Me and Max are going to the auction and we're
Speaker 1: gonna auction off Texas cats and Montana cats. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do a video we're explaining the cat market, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna interview one of the top bobcat buyers. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go to one of the top cat auctions in
Speaker 1: the country and interview one of the top cat buyers
Speaker 1: in the country and interview one of the top cat
Speaker 1: trappers in the country. And it's gonna be called Steven
Speaker 1: South get Rich, and we're taking all of our wealth
Speaker 1: from this sale, and we're putting it and dissess unborn
Speaker 1: baby virgils bank account, bank account, college account.
Speaker 2: I don't want him blowing it on cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna ear market for his education or comparable
Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be college, but or comparable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, education, further education or if he wants to start
Speaker 4: a business or whatever after after high.
Speaker 2: School, he wants to learn how to weld pipe, he
Speaker 2: use it for that whatever. It's very nice to use
Speaker 2: Steve to contribute that. Very nice.
Speaker 1: My own children very unhappy about this development. They ever
Speaker 1: heard me talking about it?
Speaker 2: Uh, that's what. That's what.
Speaker 1: So anyways, we got some cats down here in Texas.
Speaker 1: We've been predator calling cats I to date have called
Speaker 1: in in my lifetime have predator called in during daylight
Speaker 1: hours at this point now a total of eight.
Speaker 2: That I know about, mm hmm, called down here, all
Speaker 2: in Texas. All in Texas. I never called in a
Speaker 2: cat in the North.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you can't call for them in Montana. You
Speaker 5: can't use an electronic caller that Yeah, you can't use
Speaker 5: it his mouth bloone call.
Speaker 4: We we one time called a cat in by accident
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania calling kyotes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just called him in Turkey hunting. But I've
Speaker 2: called him. But I'm not kind.
Speaker 1: I'm talking like intent call, like intent to call.
Speaker 2: Well, just this trip four four and the four last
Speaker 2: time I tried it? Hm, what about the one that
Speaker 2: you ended up shooting last nime was one of the four?
Speaker 1: Ye I've laid eyes on and try while trying to
Speaker 1: call bobcats in daylight hours, I've called in eight.
Speaker 2: Do you find there's a sweet spot in the day
Speaker 2: I have?
Speaker 1: I can't make that call on it. Yeah, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what I haven't done after. What I haven't done
Speaker 1: yet is called when at daybreak? Well, part of a
Speaker 1: pet theory of mine. Go ahead, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: on on day one, the two cats that you killed
Speaker 1: was the last stand in the morning and the first
Speaker 1: stand in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like and then the cat that I
Speaker 2: killed the next day was the mid morning. It was
Speaker 2: the later stand in the day.
Speaker 1: And Mercer Long, who's called in a great many cats,
Speaker 1: Mercer Long was saying to me, it's amazing how many
Speaker 1: you call in at noon. You know what winds up
Speaker 1: being It's almost like it's like when you review in
Speaker 1: your head. The turkeys that you get, not the turkeys
Speaker 1: you try to get. But the turkeys have just come
Speaker 1: in hard banker's hours.
Speaker 2: Ye. But guess what, you're still going right at the
Speaker 2: ass crack of down. You're still up there at Don. Yep,
Speaker 2: you're still up there at Don. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think there's something about that. I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: this is like a pet theory of mine. I don't
Speaker 1: really know. A bobcat comes in with a very different
Speaker 1: attitude than a coyote at daybreak. You call in a
Speaker 1: lot of coyotes, I don't know, and a cat comes
Speaker 1: in pretty paranoid. Maybe there's something like they don't want.
Speaker 2: To wrestle around the kyote or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't like Maybe maybe there's something to do
Speaker 1: with cows. There's a thing too with rattling deer, Like
Speaker 1: when you rattle bucks down here, you rattle more bucks
Speaker 1: down here midday than early morning.
Speaker 2: I feel. Do you not feel that way?
Speaker 4: The mornings are more productive for rattling. I think here
Speaker 4: daybreak like daybreak up until you quit midday, and the
Speaker 4: evenings evenings are not as productive.
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say there is. I always felt
Speaker 1: that bucks are bored late morning, Yeah, not bored. They're
Speaker 1: not chasing, their dos are betted down. And he's more like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I walk over and take a look. It's like if
Speaker 1: creeping in on a bowl, like creeping in a bowl
Speaker 1: where like a bowl with a bunch of batted cows.
Speaker 1: You creep in on him, and like late morning, mid day,
Speaker 1: I feel he's more he's gonna he's like more likely
Speaker 1: to come have a look than he is when his
Speaker 1: cows are on the move. And he's like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I gotta pay attention over here. I can't get up,
Speaker 1: but like late morning, he might be like, ye, I'll
Speaker 1: go take a look. Everybody's kind of chill holding still.
Speaker 1: I might go have a looxie. H A starty just
Speaker 1: came out. You're gonna pay attention, as Kevin. That puts
Speaker 1: cats to bad, right, Stay tuned for our video. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Steven Seth get.
Speaker 3: Rich and Bobcats in North America facts.
Speaker 1: Yep, we're also making a video. It's pretty much done.
Speaker 1: Is it's called armorganzers really as bad as everyone says.
Speaker 1: But here's a study that just came out. They ranked
Speaker 1: monogamy of dozens of mammals, including humans. Humans are less
Speaker 1: monogamous than some mice, but are more monogamous than some
Speaker 1: breeds of sheep. This is out of Cambridge University. All
Speaker 1: it looks at is it looks at full versus half
Speaker 1: siblings in a rage of mammals. You following me full
Speaker 1: versus half siblings. Species and societies with higher levels of
Speaker 1: monogamy are likely to produce more siblings that share both parents,
Speaker 1: while those with more polygamous or promiscuous mating partners are
Speaker 1: likely to see more half siblings.
Speaker 3: Is that based on collared specimens?
Speaker 1: No, okay, it's genetics right when it comes to our
Speaker 1: level of monogamy, human monogamy. When it comes to our
Speaker 1: level of monogamy, we're in there with meer cats and beavers.
Speaker 1: Oh great, We're in there with meerkats and beavers. And
Speaker 1: they're even going back in time. They're able to go
Speaker 1: back to Bronze Age burial grounds in Europe, Neolithic sites,
Speaker 1: and Anatolia. Ethnographic data from ninety four human societies around
Speaker 1: the world, from Tanzania and hunter gatherers to rice farming
Speaker 1: cultures in Indonesia. Okay, a wide swath of human cultures.
Speaker 1: You want to know what the most monogamous critter is
Speaker 1: out there? One of the most monogamous mammal Take a guess,
Speaker 1: I got.
Speaker 2: No, no is.
Speaker 1: The California deer mouse. They are strict, strict, strict monogamy.
Speaker 1: African wild dogs, very monogamous, mole rats, very monogamous, Ethiopian wolves,
Speaker 1: very monogamous, Eurasian beavers. So the California deer mouse has
Speaker 1: a one hundred okay top rating one hundred highest, one
Speaker 1: hundred Ethiopian wolves commit out of seventy six point five,
Speaker 1: the Eurasian beaver seventy two nine, humans sixty six, and
Speaker 1: then a mere cat and a gibbon. We're kind of
Speaker 1: like them, gray wolves, less monoque, significantly less magnogamous than us.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they keep going.
Speaker 1: Very low monogamy eighteen what's the lowest? I don't know,
Speaker 1: faral cats, Yeah, but no, here we're getting down. Oh jeez,
Speaker 1: the Antarctic fur seal. Dude, they don't give a care.
Speaker 1: Two point nine er killer whales don't care.
Speaker 2: Imagine white tails don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, killer whales skirt chasers, yeah. Three point three the
Speaker 1: Savannah baboon doesn't care, chimpsund open door policy, Gorilla's open
Speaker 1: door policy, ditch cougars, faral cats sixteen.
Speaker 5: I wonder so, like some of the higher rating, some
Speaker 5: of the higher ratings, are they measuring, like what if
Speaker 5: like their partner dies? That's all, yeah, because that would
Speaker 5: be like is that how they're doing the study or
Speaker 5: it's just it's.
Speaker 2: Just siblings and half siblings.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you get into like if you get
Speaker 1: into the like the the California deer mouse, a collection
Speaker 1: of progeny, all their parents same two parents, right, yep,
Speaker 1: I mean I got all kind of half brothers and sisters, right,
Speaker 1: so I'd throw the whole thing off.
Speaker 2: Here's you want some squirrel news, Kevin.
Speaker 3: I'm ready for some squirrel news. Hit me.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is from the Economist. I didn't know this
Speaker 1: in Britain. I was making a joke there, two body
Speaker 1: mine in California. We're talking about like Britain is trying
Speaker 1: to ban pretending to fox h jeez, Like they banned
Speaker 1: fox hunts. So then these dudes get where they take
Speaker 1: a doll basically and put fox order and drag that
Speaker 1: around and they pretend to fox hunt. But now and
Speaker 1: then they'll be all pretending to fox hunt and the
Speaker 1: dogs start chasing the real fox that are trying to
Speaker 1: ban pretending to fox hunt. My buddy in California, I said,
Speaker 1: Britain is like the world's California.
Speaker 2: He laughed. But this is nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1: So Britain has a pine squirrel, or they called a
Speaker 1: red squirrel. They got a little shit in red squirrel.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this. They have invasive gray squirrels. Now,
Speaker 1: as I've talked about many times, I was raised to
Speaker 1: believe that pines red squirrels bite the nuts off gray
Speaker 1: squirrels and make the munichs.
Speaker 2: Is there any truth to that, Kevin? No, it's a
Speaker 2: wives tale. It's like it's like witch and water. He said,
Speaker 2: you believed in it. It's untrue.
Speaker 3: Now the gray squirrel are really impacted England.
Speaker 2: I had no idea.
Speaker 1: They now have estimated two point five million invasive gray
Speaker 1: squirrels in England and their native squirrel numbers are down
Speaker 1: to thirty nine thousand. They've got a thing they found
Speaker 1: that they gotta they got a thing they've identified how
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to curb this. They found that gray
Speaker 1: squirrels have a real hunger for hazelnut butter.
Speaker 2: They've poisoning the hazel lot butter.
Speaker 1: They've established a red squirrel recovery network. This is this
Speaker 1: is researchers within the government's Animal, Plant and Health Agency.
Speaker 1: They're loading you know, because it's Britain, so they're not
Speaker 1: gonna put poison in it. They're loading it with contraceptives. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is like when this is when like, uh, this
Speaker 1: is what happens when when ecology restoration of native species
Speaker 1: habitat work runs up against like radical animal rights elements,
Speaker 1: when you have to start talking about that you're gonna
Speaker 1: use contraceptives. It's like with the wild horse problem. You
Speaker 1: can't talk about killing them. There are are something Well,
Speaker 1: maybe we can give them contraceptives and we'll have to
Speaker 1: catch everyone and give it an update every six months
Speaker 1: to make sure it doesn't have any babies. So they
Speaker 1: have this contraceptive bait and they have their developing a
Speaker 1: feeder that the squirrel has to have a certain mass.
Speaker 1: It has a certain weight in order to get into
Speaker 1: the freezer. So ninety percent of adult gray squirrels are
Speaker 1: heavy enough to activate it to get the bait. A
Speaker 1: red squirrel he tries to go eat the contraceptive. You
Speaker 1: can't get the bait. Previously, they've focused their efforts on
Speaker 1: coling gray squirrels, where they say it's been expensive.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine physically colling.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing they don't mean like, not physically, but I'm
Speaker 1: guess they mean not through poison campaigns, but through shooting them.
Speaker 1: And granted I get the poison thing you could have.
Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: You could have stuff getting in there and then you
Speaker 1: got toxins laying around. I had no idea, Kevin, you
Speaker 1: and your dogs can maybe go raise.
Speaker 2: Hell over there.
Speaker 3: You know, I have a few people on Instagram and
Speaker 3: they'll send me occasional picture of them going on a
Speaker 3: squirrel hunt. I just recently got one from my family
Speaker 3: and they had a young son and he had Agent doll,
Speaker 3: four or five gray squirrels, had the the uh. His
Speaker 3: daughter had a Red Rider BB gun. They hunted there
Speaker 3: and I asked him and says, hey, just tell me
Speaker 3: a little bit about your farm over there, says how
Speaker 3: hard is to get one? He says, we can get
Speaker 3: a shotgun pretty easy, No, not much hassle. But he
Speaker 3: says to get a rifle like five years to get one,
Speaker 3: and he said, you've got to have a specific purpose,
Speaker 3: probably on some land before you can get get a rifle.
Speaker 3: Shotguns pretty easy. But yeah, I have a few people
Speaker 3: send me stuff from over there on the grey squirrels
Speaker 3: going out.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of anybody over there squirrel dogging?
Speaker 3: They had a dog. I don't know if it actually treed,
Speaker 3: but it helped helped them into the hunting and some
Speaker 3: of the hunt clubs they organize hunts now to go
Speaker 3: out and they do that polling thing and they'll go
Speaker 3: in and harvest a big bunch of squirrels.
Speaker 1: Yep, here's a good one. This is from the journal Nature.
Speaker 1: This takes a little bit of background. So in the
Speaker 1: Journal Nature of these researchers they're working in South Africa, Okay,
Speaker 1: have found arrowheads stone arrowheads that they have dated to
Speaker 1: sixty thousand years that contain plant toxins. Let's back up.
Speaker 1: What are you guys all staring at.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at cameras making sure they're rolling ful phill.
Speaker 2: I thought maybe it was time we had to leave.
Speaker 2: Well we're getting there. Yeah, Well give me an air.
Speaker 1: You can't age, so someone should go read this, because
Speaker 1: you can't age a stone point you have to you
Speaker 1: can only age it by context, like you can't take
Speaker 1: Dike Kevin's give.
Speaker 3: Me amateur archaeologists here. I just come off, God, no, no,
Speaker 3: you're yes, there are luminess tests. I don't know how
Speaker 3: to work. I don't know how.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Oh, so you're talking about actually age in the stone.
Speaker 3: Actually ages down some kind of luminescence.
Speaker 1: The last time I was exposed to sunlight or something.
Speaker 3: Like that, I just found out. I don't know any
Speaker 3: dynamics of that whatsoever. But that's how they age those
Speaker 3: artifacts that don't have carbon fourteen or anything with them.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 1: They're these reasons, and I haven't read the piece. Okay,
Speaker 1: sixty thousand years and they're finding plant toxins on stone
Speaker 1: points in South Africa from sixty thousand years ago. When
Speaker 1: you get into like this idea, the numbers switch. But
Speaker 1: there's there's this term people use of like anatomically and
Speaker 1: behaviorally modern humans, meaning if you went and got a
Speaker 1: human from fifty thousand years ago and kidnapped him and
Speaker 1: brought them in and raised and took them in a
Speaker 1: time machine and raised them today he'd be able to
Speaker 1: like fly an airplane and walk around on the streets
Speaker 1: and wouldn't look weird.
Speaker 3: Do you think do I think that?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, it's there's like a debate was
Speaker 1: it like? But it's usually centers around fifty thousand years ago,
Speaker 1: seventy thousand years ago people were like behaviorally and anatomically
Speaker 1: modern humans at that time looked would have been dead ringers,
Speaker 1: right for people alive could be like lawyers, pilots, cat trappers,
Speaker 1: the complicated stuff. At that time, you're looking skeptical. This
Speaker 1: isn't my number.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying this is I'm just thinking, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying right or wrong.
Speaker 2: So these guys.
Speaker 1: Found toxins derived from a plant whose common name is
Speaker 1: the poison bulb plant, and it's still used by traditional
Speaker 1: hunters today. When Seth and I were in Africa, some
Speaker 1: of the trackers, the trackers were poachers that they caught.
Speaker 1: They catch poachers and some of them they turn them
Speaker 1: into trackers. Someone you turn them into the police. These
Speaker 1: guys were telling us when they were kids, thirteen fourteen
Speaker 1: years old, they were hunting with plant poisons for Kate
Speaker 1: buffalo with poisons So these are poisons still used today
Speaker 1: and they're finding traces of them on projectile points from
Speaker 1: sixty thousand years ago. And it's a complex cooking process
Speaker 1: to isolate and activate the poison solely weakened spray. It's
Speaker 1: just interesting. Oh yeah, that dudes might have been that
Speaker 1: long ago cooking up in South Africa, sixty thousand years ago,
Speaker 1: which is getting to the point where you can't even
Speaker 1: comprehend like humans, Like you can throw the number around,
Speaker 1: but you can't really picture what that means. Sixty thousand
Speaker 1: years ago, three times longer ago than there were humans
Speaker 1: at all in the New World. Yes, three times, So
Speaker 1: you imagine how long ago that was as some dude
Speaker 1: in America trying to bring, you know, kill a Macedon
Speaker 1: three times longer ago than that dudes in Africa mixing
Speaker 1: up plant toxins.
Speaker 3: See, I was at the Gault site. It's four hours
Speaker 3: from here, and that's probably the oldest documented inhabited site
Speaker 3: in the US of seven thousand years before Clovis twenty thousand.
Speaker 3: And then I'm digging at a current site in Kentucky
Speaker 3: and our artifacts are dating around fourteen five fifteen thousand.
Speaker 1: Years ago in association with macedon.
Speaker 3: Maceadons and mamos. One of the few sites in the
Speaker 3: world where you have both species occurrent and this year
Speaker 3: under the zones of concentrated water, we also found a
Speaker 3: piece of what is it the moose elk antler, the
Speaker 3: moose elk. We found a section about that in situ
Speaker 3: in the ground planet at that site.
Speaker 2: So is fossil is it now?
Speaker 3: It's still bod still bone. It was under two meters
Speaker 3: you know, six foot of overfield laying rat on the bedrock.
Speaker 2: Gotcha hmm, a little section that.
Speaker 3: While it looked like it had been worked by humans,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just this kind of piece that looked like,
Speaker 3: you know, there's no artwork on it, no defined structure
Speaker 3: you could you know, it's like fifty to fifty Did
Speaker 3: a human use this for some kind of tool? Maybe
Speaker 3: maybe not yep in there, but we have found ivory
Speaker 3: spear points.
Speaker 1: We found that packer too, that.
Speaker 3: We found the pecker of the lower I didn't even
Speaker 3: not I didn't even know that a masta don had
Speaker 3: a lower tusk, and they're usually eight to twelve inches long.
Speaker 3: The lord peckers set in my hand in there and
Speaker 3: it was is the shape of it and it was polished.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: You look at a lot of times you hear like
Speaker 1: someone's like, oh it's like a you know, it's like
Speaker 1: carved into whatever. And you look and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's just luck yea, you know that term
Speaker 1: of geo fact like it's like a phony. Like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like you'll find a ricke and you think it's
Speaker 1: something yeah, and then a guy will be like, that's
Speaker 1: a geofamily. It was just the earth made it and
Speaker 1: it resembles a thing that packer is a packer it is.
Speaker 3: And here's a unique opportunity for people. We're gonna have
Speaker 3: a major dig there starting in September through October. We
Speaker 3: need earth movers. You can come out and do some
Speaker 3: real archaeology with a doctor Grambly. He's trained anthropologist, seventy
Speaker 3: nine years old. We've been working that site for four
Speaker 3: years now. There's a lot of history there. It was
Speaker 3: the last battle of the Revolutionary.
Speaker 2: War, Battle of Blue Licks. Ten Boone's kid was killed there.
Speaker 3: Ten months after the Revolutionary War was over, the British
Speaker 3: were still trying to control the Northwest Territory and they
Speaker 3: ambushed Daniel Boone and his party and like you said,
Speaker 3: his son died in his arm. You can walk down
Speaker 3: to the river and actually see the ford I've been aiming,
Speaker 3: like the way to cross it because it gets pretty low.
Speaker 3: You could ride a horse across it, no problem at all.
Speaker 3: But it's just mesmerizing to be at that site, all
Speaker 3: that history that Daniel Boone and the salt works. They
Speaker 3: were come there to do the salt. The megafauna came
Speaker 3: in there and they habitat it. That that area. You know,
Speaker 3: we've got big bone lick in Kentucky that's been been
Speaker 3: robbed and traumatized from the original settlers that came in
Speaker 3: sent the bones back to England and stuff. They didn't
Speaker 3: know what a mastadon was at that time. But just
Speaker 3: to go down there and dig on something and find that,
Speaker 3: you know, everything we get we have to to give.
Speaker 3: But you see fractured pieces of mastodon ivory, which is
Speaker 3: totally different than the mammoth ivory. The teeth are different.
Speaker 3: Were a mastadn its main diet is woody shrub bushes
Speaker 3: and stuff, and a mammoth is a hate eater, so
Speaker 3: they have flat, flat molars, so it's it is really
Speaker 3: unique to be able to do that. So, like I said,
Speaker 3: we need volunteers. Just kind of kind of watch my Instagram, Facebook, whatever.
Speaker 3: I'll probably put up some kind of notice.
Speaker 1: So see what I want you to do is plug.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to plug that because I want
Speaker 1: you to plug your other volunteer proser. Okay, so everybody
Speaker 1: ignore what he just said because I think the other
Speaker 1: one's more important.
Speaker 3: Uh it is to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, let me do one last thing. Okay,
Speaker 2: one last news item.
Speaker 3: But we still need ham. It's got to be fine.
Speaker 2: I'll come Kevin.
Speaker 1: This Texas means because we're in Texas. I want to
Speaker 1: do one last Texas to Texas news bits Okay, and
Speaker 1: then you're gonna do your deal.
Speaker 2: Then we got to wrap it up. Okay, yeah, make
Speaker 2: quick because we've got ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Okay, check this one out. We reported it on this before,
Speaker 1: trying to decide the guys surfcasters using drones to drop
Speaker 1: bait like some surf cast and you paddle way out
Speaker 1: and drop your bait when you're trying to get it
Speaker 1: out past like the I can saying by or whatever.
Speaker 1: So guys started using drones Texas that doesn't like to
Speaker 1: run around band and stuff. Just generally speaking, they're like
Speaker 1: a banning things a verse state, anti banning, and they're
Speaker 1: an anti banning state. They clarified that the use of
Speaker 1: unmanned aircraft systems for fishing will fall under the Federal
Speaker 1: Airborne fall under prohibition under the Federal Airborne Hunting Act.
Speaker 1: They're saying, this is not a new band, but that's
Speaker 1: how they're gonna interpret it going forward. It's a statute
Speaker 1: that's been around since nineteen fifty six. They're saying you
Speaker 1: are not allowed in Texas the way they're in. They're
Speaker 1: not making a new law. They're clarifying how they interpret it.
Speaker 1: It's all to you if you're fishing with drones. It's
Speaker 1: all the same thing they're saying. Texas Parks and Wildlife
Speaker 1: Department is saying you can't use a drone for fishing.
Speaker 2: It's now become a thing to do, and they're just
Speaker 2: re clarifying that. Yep.
Speaker 1: But they didn't need to go past legislation specifically because
Speaker 1: they're saying it was already illegal. It was already illegal.
Speaker 1: We weren't interpreting at that. We're interpreting it now just
Speaker 1: to clarify it, everybody. You cannot take a drone and
Speaker 1: drop your bait out for sharks past the second sand bar,
Speaker 1: whatever the hell you're up to, the last thing we're
Speaker 1: I can spend time on it, but it is Texas.
Speaker 1: I want to hit it real quick. It's a real
Speaker 1: obvious one. So much suburban sprawl in areas of Texas
Speaker 1: and urban areas that is creating a hog explosion around
Speaker 1: urban areas. It's the same thing you see with deer,
Speaker 1: where it's like you make areas where you make more
Speaker 1: and more and more and more areas close to hunting,
Speaker 1: and you get more and more landowners like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know anybody to hunt, but I shouldn't want all
Speaker 1: these pigs running around, or I should. The last thing
Speaker 1: I want is some redneck hunting deer in my yard.
Speaker 1: But I also want Fishing Game Agency to come get
Speaker 1: all their damn deer out of here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just it's a story that never stops repeating itself.
Speaker 3: Oh, we have it rampant with deer right now, deer,
Speaker 3: Let a hunter on there.
Speaker 2: I'm not letting those rednecks on here.
Speaker 3: Get them out of my landscaping.
Speaker 1: We're out of time Okay, you're doing you're involved in
Speaker 1: a habitat restoration project. Yes, hit it clean, hit it clean,
Speaker 1: hit it quick. You need Kevin Murphy needs you.
Speaker 3: I need tree huggers, tree planters, wake boarders, people that
Speaker 3: like to fish. We're going to plant two thousand cypress trees.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, gilt ridden wake borders. I'll take anybody. I
Speaker 3: want to bring people together.
Speaker 1: Ye have a pissed off fishermen and gilt ridden wake
Speaker 1: borders down there fighting.
Speaker 3: So he got two thousand five foot cypress trees that
Speaker 3: we're going to try to get get planted on the
Speaker 3: shore of Lake Barkley. I've been doing this project for
Speaker 3: six year, and during that six year time period, I've
Speaker 3: only been able to plant two thousand. I've got my
Speaker 3: technique down good. Now where you've got the Fishing Game
Speaker 3: Department can take a fishing Game Park's going to come
Speaker 3: and help us. US Corps engineer is going to donate
Speaker 3: some money to help us out, and it's going to
Speaker 3: be a great time.
Speaker 2: And what's your lifetime goal? You want to do? How
Speaker 2: many miles the shoreline?
Speaker 3: I want to do twenty two miles the north shore
Speaker 3: of Lake Barkley. The shoreline of the Cumberland River. It
Speaker 3: takes a beating from the north wind in the wintertime
Speaker 3: when the lakepool comes down. Summer pool is three sixty
Speaker 3: winter pool is three fifty four. So we have this
Speaker 3: long mudflat in there that we used to be covered
Speaker 3: with button bush. But due to the core of engineers
Speaker 3: changing the plan of the drawground it, it has flooded
Speaker 3: all the button bush back. So cypress trees they can
Speaker 3: tolerate water. They do not like all your they tolerate. Yes,
Speaker 3: all the cover the croppy habitat is gone. So I
Speaker 3: am my My goal in life is to get this started,
Speaker 3: which already have.
Speaker 2: How many miles have you done so far?
Speaker 3: Probably about two miles. I've got another twenty to go.
Speaker 3: But I've upped it. I've learned how to do it.
Speaker 3: In the beginning we use some larger trees and took
Speaker 3: bigger hose. They didn't stand up very well. Now we
Speaker 3: use a slender like I said, it's a I think
Speaker 3: a three year old tree. It'll be about as big
Speaker 3: around as your thumb, like a whist and we want
Speaker 3: them high enough that they can take that water elevation there.
Speaker 3: The water when it comes up, we have learned to
Speaker 3: stake them. We drive a wooden steak in the ground,
Speaker 3: we give them a fertilizer pellet time to the steak,
Speaker 3: and we flag them with flagging tape. Do a real
Speaker 3: dense planning there, maybe from from this wall to this
Speaker 3: wall along the shoreline. So we have instant infrastructure for
Speaker 3: crappie fishing in the springtime because it's just immediately there
Speaker 3: with the wooden the hardwood steaks, they last. And we
Speaker 3: did that for the first time that away. Last year.
Speaker 3: I was able to put in a huge amount of
Speaker 3: trees in a in a short one side of Devonport
Speaker 3: Bay is where we're going to be. We were on
Speaker 3: the east side last year. We're going to be on
Speaker 3: the west side this year. And then Uh, in those
Speaker 3: rocky areas we only plant trees about ever ten steps
Speaker 3: or so because it's just too hard to do it.
Speaker 3: But we're going to have a continuous from edible ferry
Speaker 3: down to nickel brains.
Speaker 1: So how did volunteers find you?
Speaker 3: Uh, just watch my instagram tell what it is.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Kevin Murphy at Small Game Nation.
Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy at Small Game Nation. If you want to
Speaker 1: help Kevin start planting cypress trees. To do you habitat restoration,
Speaker 1: get a hold of him and help them out. And
Speaker 1: here's a trivia one for you. What is the number
Speaker 1: one problem? Number one killer of Kevin?
Speaker 5: Cypress trees, wake borders, recreationalists, No something we all love.
Speaker 5: Number one killer turkeys. No, wait till dear, he says,
Speaker 5: they want to rub their antlers on them.
Speaker 2: They kill them all. Yep.
Speaker 1: He's got forty percent survival from bucks coming out there
Speaker 1: and rubbing on.
Speaker 3: Them that you would maybe think beaver or something, but that.
Speaker 3: But the most detrimental thing is a little scrawny ass
Speaker 3: white tail buck once coming there and beat up on
Speaker 3: my side.
Speaker 1: Because he says, said, they're real limbers. So they kind
Speaker 1: of like because the trees thrashing all around it, they
Speaker 1: look like a tough guy. Kevin, you're a squirrel man,
Speaker 1: a dog man, and now you're a tree man, treemn cipressman.
Speaker 2: Can you put tubes on them?
Speaker 3: I think that it wouldn't help. I don't know. We
Speaker 3: might try that. This year we went to a smaller tree.
Speaker 3: That was the larger trees that we had like almost
Speaker 3: you know, inch and a half two inches, So we've
Speaker 3: used them the whip trees now with the steak, so
Speaker 3: hopefully they're dense enough that then they'll stay at of it.
Speaker 1: Maybe like little land mines and poison fellas.
Speaker 3: But there again, you know we don't have the brows
Speaker 3: and 'l bel like, well, just throw that out there
Speaker 3: to get your piece of fruitcake here, I've got it
Speaker 3: all sliced.
Speaker 1: I haven't eaten anything yet today. We've been running hard.
Speaker 3: So I had a great time with you guys.
Speaker 1: As always, Dude, Kevin, give me a give me a handshake, man,
Speaker 1: every time I learned a lot.
Speaker 2: I love you.
Speaker 4: Thanks Kevin.
Speaker 3: Able to take a cat two decades under my age bracket,
Speaker 3: so I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: I can't wait till see what you do with that hog.
Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna make sausage. It's my team. I've got
Speaker 3: to take a small portion of it, grind it up,
Speaker 3: test it, and see if it's going to turn out.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish you good luck cooking your hog. I
Speaker 1: mainly wish you good luck getting your trees in. Man, Lotus,
Speaker 1: you get that twenty two miles done, that'd be cool.
Speaker 1: Before you die. Oh when he dies, I get his hat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is so that's cool.
Speaker 2: Where is that hat? All right? Buddy? Thanks? Why I
Speaker 2: thank you