WEBVTT - Ep. 826: Like Nuts on a Cat

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, before we get started with the podcast, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a real good one, I want you to know that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing so if you watch it on YouTube, you

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<v Speaker 1>watched our Africa series The Professional Hunter. I'm hunting with

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan Potter. Morgan Potter and I are doing a public

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<v Speaker 1>event at the Safari Club International Convention in Nashville. This

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<v Speaker 1>is happening on February nineteenth, Nashville people. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do a meet and greet at the Robin Hurt Safaris

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<v Speaker 1>booth from nine thirty to ten thirty and then we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing our actual event at two o'clock in the Omni Ballroom.

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<v Speaker 1>After the event, I'll sign any kind of books or

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<v Speaker 1>take any pictures if anyone wants to do that. What

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta do just go to the Safari Club International website.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>To go to the event. To go to the convention,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to join Safari Clubs. You're joining a conservation nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 1>You join Safari Club And as you do that, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see a process where you then get a ticket to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the event that Morgan and I are putting on.

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<v Speaker 1>All the ticket price goes to sci Like this is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to me and Morgan. We're doing it, but

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<v Speaker 1>your money goes to support sci Holy and fully hope

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<v Speaker 1>to see you guys there. February nineteenth in Nashville. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the me Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's favorite Kentuckian, the Madman from the L B L.

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<v Speaker 3>At the Clarks River Bottoms.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Murphy. Don't forget that. Cheers, ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Murphy joining us here in South Texas, sitting with

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<v Speaker 1>a fruitcake in front of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Fruitcake made by my master gun smith and duck dig

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<v Speaker 3>duck call maker Hambone. His daughter made that. That's a

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas tradition at their family that she makes fruitcakes and

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<v Speaker 3>he hands them out to his friends.

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<v Speaker 1>So so your buddy hamdbone makes fixes guns, makes fruitcake.

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<v Speaker 1>His daughter makes fruitcakes, and he makes duck.

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<v Speaker 3>Calls Hambone can do anything. He is a old film mechanics,

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<v Speaker 3>business mechanic, film mechanic.

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<v Speaker 1>He made the metal red duck calls metal read. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got a metal hamdbone.

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<v Speaker 2>Where's the what one? Hamdbone? Made this?

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<v Speaker 1>I call it the f FD design.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to explain what that to the audience?

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<v Speaker 2>I tuned it. I tuned it to my liking.

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<v Speaker 3>That's I don't think he likes it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I should go get mine liking.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let me see that sounds good.

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<v Speaker 2>H too much air?

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<v Speaker 4>You're too much air escape. I'm not too much escape

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<v Speaker 4>now because it's hitting your mic.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good. God.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's got a metal read in it. Handbone made that. Yes, Okay, Kevin,

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<v Speaker 1>you're here. We're gonna, we're gonna do You're gonna We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get your feedback on a bunch of things I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to tell about.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you and I want you to pitch your

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<v Speaker 1>your habitat restoration project, which is I read it as

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<v Speaker 1>the war against dudes that wait like wakeboarding.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, It's it's fine to call it like it is. Dude,

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<v Speaker 2>like it is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I call it, your wake boat. Your

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<v Speaker 1>wake boat is killing Kevin's fishery.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's call it like it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, it's more than that. It's it's the it's worse

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<v Speaker 3>than that. They I'm not gonna say war. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>Conference Sure against Recreational Boating that has destroyed our Button

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<v Speaker 3>Bush habitat along our lake shore of Lake Barkley.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna make a T shirt that says, your wakeboard

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<v Speaker 1>is killing my fish.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just let's call it like it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I probably got dear friends, you know, like when you

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<v Speaker 1>used to like if you say something bad, you like,

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<v Speaker 1>some of my best friends are wakeboarders. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>might be actually, well really it's it's but I think

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<v Speaker 1>Travis Barton likes that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a.

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<v Speaker 4>He's one of those guys when I'm up there on

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<v Speaker 4>Cane Ferry trying to have a nice, nice, peaceful day.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he goes back to he goes back to Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>and destroys habitat.

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<v Speaker 2>Just it might be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a water ski but he might not be a

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<v Speaker 1>wakeboard awake boat guy.

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<v Speaker 5>The difference between a water ski boat and a wakeboarding

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<v Speaker 5>boat that that wake is ten times.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, night and day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not gonna start beating up water skiers that

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<v Speaker 1>come from a long line of water skiers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, they're part of their problem too. It's recreational

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<v Speaker 3>bowers and marinas that there used to be a for

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<v Speaker 3>of engineer plan that after July the fourth they would

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<v Speaker 3>start drawing the lake down because Barkley Lake is a

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<v Speaker 3>flood storage. Like, that's why it was built after the

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<v Speaker 3>thirty seven flood.

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<v Speaker 1>If we're just gonna get into this right now, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get into this in a minute, because I need to

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<v Speaker 1>we need to tell a full story.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to blame those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I was gonna wage war on stand up

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<v Speaker 1>paddle borders, but I realized I don't have any reason to.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't make a wake.

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<v Speaker 1>My only grape with them was I don't when people

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<v Speaker 1>start doing a thing that didn't used to exist, I

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<v Speaker 1>always wonder what they were doing before it existed, because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't do the stuff I do if people have

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<v Speaker 1>been doing since the beginning of time m hm, recreationally.

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<v Speaker 1>So when stand up paddle boarding became a thing, all

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<v Speaker 1>I could think about.

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<v Speaker 2>Was what were you doing before?

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing were you doing before pickleballs? No, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean now, I don't think that those people

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<v Speaker 1>there playing. I don't think when you see people playing pickleball,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that a few years ago they were

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<v Speaker 1>playing table tennis or tennis and general. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>were watching TV.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen, my not that I'm for staying up paddle boarding,

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<v Speaker 4>but just played the Devil's advocate controversial act of stand up.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's not my thing, but whatever. Back in

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<v Speaker 4>the day when they were when logging was heavy, heavy,

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<v Speaker 4>and they were floating logs down rivers, there was always

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<v Speaker 4>a guy up there with a pole the original sup

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<v Speaker 4>that that stood on the logs and make sure they

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<v Speaker 4>all So that's an argument for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to irritate me. Back in the day, they were

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<v Speaker 1>doing it just to irritate me. I think just to

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<v Speaker 1>irritate me. My wife went and bought our kids to

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<v Speaker 1>stand up paddles just to stick it to me. And

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<v Speaker 1>now I gotta like store them and get them out

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<v Speaker 1>and blow them up and move them around and tie

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<v Speaker 1>him down to stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I use them every while. You've never paddle No, so

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<v Speaker 2>what if you did it and like it turns.

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<v Speaker 1>Out you're like, well, I got to tie him on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the car all the time for my kids.

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<v Speaker 1>That might be your things when you see me out

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<v Speaker 1>in my yard, are gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Be like, what a hypocritic.

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<v Speaker 5>On a lake just paddling around and enjoying yourself. And

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna say, I wonder what he did before paddle board?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What that guy used to watch TV all day long. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a here's a deal. Here's the deal. To chaw on,

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<v Speaker 1>we have long talked about uh at the podcast here,

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<v Speaker 1>which has been airing for a century, We've long talked

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<v Speaker 1>about splitting. We've long talked about splitting the show into

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<v Speaker 1>news and commentary and interview because now I know we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have an interview guest on the show and he'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to sit there. He doesn't know what that Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>some anthropologists never listen to the show in his life

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<v Speaker 1>and easier to talk about like you know, Clovis research,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's got to sit there while we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the news and talk about stand up paddle boarding and

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Murphy's fruitcake. So the guy's just sitting there like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he twddle and thumbs. He feels like he's

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<v Speaker 1>not in on the joke. Whatever, So we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>splitting the show. We're officially splitting the show starting in March.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting in March, you're gonna see two versions of the

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<v Speaker 1>Meat Eater podcast pop up. You're gonna see media podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Is gonna be the news show, which is like news

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<v Speaker 1>and commentary. Okay, we're gonna cover your news. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cover our news. We're gonna cover the news. The second

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<v Speaker 1>drop is gonna be the interview show, where we have

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<v Speaker 1>on biologists, researchers, archaeologists, authors.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, and then I know everybody hates it. Now and

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<v Speaker 1>then a politician will come on the interview show, and

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<v Speaker 1>that'll be a weekly show. The interview show, the normal

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<v Speaker 1>podcast where we interview experts in various fields of the outdoors.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll be Mondays. Okay, that's the Monday. That's the regular

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<v Speaker 1>Monday drop that you know and love. Recently, we had

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<v Speaker 1>on a guy talking about his book about the Edmund Fitzgerald. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, that which is called The Sinking of the

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<v Speaker 1>Edmund Fitzgerald. That's the interview show. That's Mondays as normal,

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<v Speaker 1>the news show. Okay, the news show, which again covers

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<v Speaker 1>your news, so listener feedback, corrections, our news, what we've

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<v Speaker 1>been up to, making fruitcakes, whatever, and the news, national news,

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<v Speaker 1>local news, any news that would influence your thinking, influence

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<v Speaker 1>your actions as a hunter and angler. That's the news show.

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<v Speaker 1>The news show drops fresh. Okay, you've heard us talk

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<v Speaker 1>about flops where I'm like, why can't we just make

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<v Speaker 1>an episode and fop there. It comes out as fast

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<v Speaker 1>as fill the engineer can get it ready to go,

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<v Speaker 1>it will drop. So that if we say, hey, in

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<v Speaker 1>the new it was yesterday, that's what we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>it just drops. It comes out flop when it's ready.

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<v Speaker 1>The news show hits. It's just gonna be. It hits

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<v Speaker 1>when it hits, so watch for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>As part of this, we're drawing in all the brain power.

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<v Speaker 1>We're drawing in all the brain power and all the

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<v Speaker 1>story making power of the guys you know from Radio Live.

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<v Speaker 1>But in order to do this more urgent news show,

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<v Speaker 1>which comes out when news happens every week, and it

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<v Speaker 1>comes out when it comes out where sunsetting in March

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<v Speaker 1>Radio Live, so that we're not held to it being

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<v Speaker 1>at a specific time. Was it eleven o'clock on Thursdays

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<v Speaker 1>will no longer be beholden to being like it's live

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<v Speaker 1>at eleven on Thursdays. So the guys from that, the

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<v Speaker 1>guys you know in the driver's chair at Radio Live,

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<v Speaker 1>are coming over to the news show, and we're taking

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<v Speaker 1>many aspects of that format bringing it to the news show,

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<v Speaker 1>which is quicker response time. So Radio Live well Sunset

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<v Speaker 1>in favor of creating a the news show. The news Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>stay tuned for all that, all the stuff you love.

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<v Speaker 1>Corrections go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say, I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people are gonna really enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so people will be pissed, people will like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like everything, just like everything. We had on a

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<v Speaker 1>guy speak about the you know you can't please Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't make everyone happy. We had a guy on

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<v Speaker 1>the ore day he killed a big, huge buck downtown,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's also running for governor Ohio. Rob right, Rob

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<v Speaker 1>saying yeah right. He's like, hey, did you what was

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<v Speaker 1>the audience response to the interview? And I said, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't look, this is gonna sound terrible. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>look at comments. I told him out look at comments

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to be captured. There's a thing

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<v Speaker 1>called being captured by an audience, right, Like you hear

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<v Speaker 1>people bitching about stuff, and then you change your way.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you change your perception, your opinions, yeah, your actions.

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<v Speaker 1>Wish I could pull I'm want to pull this up.

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<v Speaker 1>He was talking about the hazard of listening to people complaining.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me find this. This is interesting. Someone talk about

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<v Speaker 2>something real quick, but not for too long.

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<v Speaker 3>What about our dog guard here boys.

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<v Speaker 2>At arch.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be rep behind those three dogs there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, check this out.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get you know, you get certain dudes that

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<v Speaker 1>just complain about everything all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one guy was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>One guy commented on the Rob sand episode Rob saying,

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<v Speaker 1>is uh, he was discussing his faith as a Christian,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's also discussing how he's running for governor of

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<v Speaker 1>Iowa as a Democrat. And the guy in the comments

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<v Speaker 1>section was like, a Democrat can't be a Christian. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>did you read that in the Bible?

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<v Speaker 2>So, uh, we're talking about like people who complain all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. He sent me this.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty fifteen. Okay, there were eight thousand, seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty formal complaints submitted to the Ronald Reagan Washington

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<v Speaker 1>National Airport about noise pollution. Okay, So, twenty fifteen, eight thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and sixty formal complaints about noise pollution at

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald Reagan Airport. Six thousand, eight hundred and fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>of them came from a single house in an affluent

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood in Washington, d C. In twenty fifteen, that house,

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<v Speaker 1>members of that household submitted nineteen formal complaints per day.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, jeez, someone, Oh my god. Okay, they need to

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<v Speaker 2>pick up the US Listen to this.

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<v Speaker 1>The US Department of Education has an Office for Civil

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<v Speaker 1>Rights and they enforce civil rights laws related to education funding.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty three, they received five thousand and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine sexual discrimination complaints from a single person.

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<v Speaker 2>So they had a total of eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred and fifty one formal sexual discrimination complaints, of

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<v Speaker 1>which five thousand and fifty nine came from one person.

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<v Speaker 1>So one person accounted for sixty eight point five percent

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<v Speaker 1>of all sexual discrimination complaints in that year.

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<v Speaker 2>Point being you got watch out. Uh where was that

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<v Speaker 2>going with that? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, we're launching when the new news show launches, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to launch a contest called Corrections of the Week.

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<v Speaker 1>You can win correction of the week by catching us

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<v Speaker 1>being wrong about something. And it could be that we're wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>or it could be an error by omission right, an

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<v Speaker 1>error viral mission. And I explain what that means in

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<v Speaker 1>a previous episode. Uh So, here's some corrections from the

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<v Speaker 1>recent apple. I'm gonna skip ones who already kind of

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<v Speaker 1>covered it, and the guy's wrong, and the guy's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>From our most recent episode. What was this one called?

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<v Speaker 1>We had a recent episode and we had a segment

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<v Speaker 1>on there called Skunk's Ruined a Marriage? And I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a guy whose wife wants to divorce him

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<v Speaker 1>or his marriage is getting rocky because he's taking up

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<v Speaker 1>skunk trapping because the skunk prices are so high his

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<v Speaker 1>wife can't handle the constant smell of skunk's around. I

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<v Speaker 1>comment that I think he just needs to tell her

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<v Speaker 1>baby trapping season don't last.

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<v Speaker 2>All year long.

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<v Speaker 1>And some smart alec thinks he's got a correction.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna let Seth explain why I'm gonna correct his correction.

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<v Speaker 1>He corrects it and says, hey, I caught you. Oklahoma's

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<v Speaker 1>uh lists skunks as being open year round, no daily season,

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<v Speaker 1>no possession limit, no bag limit. So ha, you're wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Trapping season is all year seth.

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<v Speaker 4>Their hides are only prime for a certain part of

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<v Speaker 4>the year. Turned to correction, only worth money for a

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<v Speaker 4>certain period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>When they're prime, when they're so correction in your face, buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna call it?

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<v Speaker 2>Corrected? Correction? That's one I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I win something I win, We give him a prize,

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<v Speaker 1>and then take it back, take it back, this guy says,

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying.

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<v Speaker 2>He says he was a guy. I was saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like saying, now, I'm no Jeremiah Johnson, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a pretty good trapper. And I said, Jeremiah Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>isn't held out as a good trapper. He doesn't put

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<v Speaker 1>up numbers. And I was telling him, if you were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no John Graham, I'm no Mercer Longing, I'm no

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<v Speaker 1>Craig O'Gorman, I'm no Slim Peterson, I'm no Mike Marciada.

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<v Speaker 4>They're good trappers. He was saying, I'm no famous trapper.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he said, I'm no Jeremiah Johnson, but there's no

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<v Speaker 1>reason to believe Jeremia Johnson was ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Good at trapping. He catches like.

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<v Speaker 1>He comes in with a beaver one day and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife acts. His wife looks surprised. It was around that

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<v Speaker 1>time when he shaved his beard and it was giving

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<v Speaker 1>her like he had to shave his beard because it's

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<v Speaker 1>make irritating her face. He comes in with a beaver

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<v Speaker 1>and she looks like, oh my god, he got one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not making this up.

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<v Speaker 3>I know the saying.

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<v Speaker 1>There's another scene where they're hout of food and he

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<v Speaker 1>tells Caleb, his his boy, that the mute boy he

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<v Speaker 1>takes under his wing. He says, take note of where

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<v Speaker 1>I place those traps and go fetch us some real food.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. You don't see him.

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<v Speaker 1>He don't have a big barn full of three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>beavers he caught, no reason to believe he's a good trapper.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she might have been serving him up some

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<v Speaker 3>saltkeek yep.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she was always making a flatbread out of corn meal.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>So then this guy comes back, Steve, you are mistaken.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a scene depicting Jeremiah Johnson as a successful trapper.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have watched it nearly a thousand times like myself,

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<v Speaker 1>you would know it's not narrated but clearly depicted.

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck on future screw ups. Wow, man, this guy

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<v Speaker 2>like trying to stick it to.

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<v Speaker 1>Me is no, I'm a Jeremy. I'm Jeremiah Johnson through

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<v Speaker 1>and through.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great movie. There is no reason to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that Jeremiah Johnson is a good trapper.

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<v Speaker 4>Did he say where in the see has no facts

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<v Speaker 4>to back it up.

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<v Speaker 2>So in your face, buddy on prize withdrawn, prize revoked.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Luck on future corrections.

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<v Speaker 1>Joined today by Seth Morris, County, Max Barta, and Chili

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<v Speaker 1>Pecante not Chili Pecan. Here's a real correction. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a real, flat out good correction. This guy wins Craction

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<v Speaker 1>of the week and this is what I deserve and

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<v Speaker 1>it's he's right. Comes in from Texas Parks and Wildlife

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<v Speaker 1>law Enforcement, from State h q M all the way

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<v Speaker 1>from the top means business. He says, I was listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the latest podcast this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an old one.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been sitting on this one because I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>do the correction from Texas so it felt real. I

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<v Speaker 1>made a comment in a past episode, saying that Texas

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<v Speaker 1>has a law that allows you to cross property lines

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<v Speaker 1>to retrieve game if you're unarmed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, common law.

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<v Speaker 1>Where I got that was I remember we were hunting

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<v Speaker 1>sand hill cranes up in the Panhandle, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>I hit a crane and it sailed off but went

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<v Speaker 1>down across property lines. My buddy said, go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>get it, but leave your shotgun on this side of

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<v Speaker 1>the fence. The warden wrote in he says, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>telling you that didn't happen, And maybe your buddy had

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<v Speaker 1>an understanding with the neighbor, but it was just like

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<v Speaker 1>a permission we got. So maybe my buddy was wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not telling your buddy didn't say that.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>In Texas, you would have to secure permission from that neighbor,

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<v Speaker 1>armed or unarmed, to cross his fence to do retrieval.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not You do not have that right in Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not a retrieval right in Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you do that? In South Dakota you can.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you have to just leave your your shotgun or

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<v Speaker 6>whatever on like you're hunting ditch chickens, like hunting the

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<v Speaker 6>ditches in South Dakota, which is legal. If you gets

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<v Speaker 6>up flies over shoot it over the neighbor someone's property,

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<v Speaker 6>you can go get it. You can cross that boundary,

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<v Speaker 6>but you have to leave your gun like in a

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<v Speaker 6>public spot. And most state is that South Dakota.

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<v Speaker 2>Can bring your dog with you too. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a great question. I don't know if the dog is allowed.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather bring my dog over than a buddy. Yep. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be curious to know if you could like just

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<v Speaker 2>send your like, send Ruby out there.

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<v Speaker 4>To go to the reason.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably can because in most places, if a dog,

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<v Speaker 1>a dog doesn't get sighted.

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<v Speaker 5>For trespassing and a dog isn't armed either, Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 5>mine is well, but uh yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So just for for folks to keep mind, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a real state by state issue retrieval. There's places where

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<v Speaker 1>retrieval is allowed. I can't think of one of the states,

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<v Speaker 1>but I remember guys saying that he lived in the

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<v Speaker 1>state where retrieval is allowed, but he was saying at

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<v Speaker 1>a courtesy he would never do it. Oh it was

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that has that little postage stamp piece of ground.

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<v Speaker 2>What state was he in? Oklahoma?

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<v Speaker 1>You found his property? No, doctor Randall on X somehow

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<v Speaker 1>Randall found the property. What state was that guy in?

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<v Speaker 1>I think either way, it was a state where you

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<v Speaker 1>were retrieval is allowed. So you you shoot a deer,

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<v Speaker 1>deer runs across fence in this state, you could go

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<v Speaker 1>get it. So there's states were retrievals allowed. Their states

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<v Speaker 1>were unarmed retrievals allowed, their states were retrieval is not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed in states were retrieval is not allowed. I would

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<v Speaker 1>recommend if you had that situation, you might step one,

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<v Speaker 1>ask for permission for retrieval. If you are denied retrieval permission,

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<v Speaker 1>I would do a step two. And you're not calling

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<v Speaker 1>up to complain, but a step two would be called

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<v Speaker 1>your local game warden. Explain to your local game warden

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<v Speaker 1>here's what happened. Maybe the game warden, if he's got time,

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<v Speaker 1>would have better luck having a conversation with the neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I will accompany the hunter or will you

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<v Speaker 1>allow me to go over and drag it back over?

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<v Speaker 1>That might be a good step to take.

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<v Speaker 3>So let me chap in here a little bit. Please,

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<v Speaker 3>you remember amish Jason went rapt with us. Yep, his family, well,

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<v Speaker 3>he looks homish. His family got into a little scuffle.

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<v Speaker 3>The sixteen year old son shot a dacent buck. It

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<v Speaker 3>ran over to the neighbor's property that was leased to

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<v Speaker 3>some dudes from out of state, and it died, and

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<v Speaker 3>before they could get it, those guide guys they scooped

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<v Speaker 3>it up. The landowner, the rental guys out of state

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<v Speaker 3>buck it up, and then it's like they kind of

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<v Speaker 3>had the picture of the deer on the trail camera,

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<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden they meet them at

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<v Speaker 3>the like at the gas station. They've got the deer

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<v Speaker 3>in the back of the of the truck and they're

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<v Speaker 3>taking pictures and stuff of it. They see it. Then

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<v Speaker 3>they get the game warning involved, and then that's when

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<v Speaker 3>they find out that in Kentucky there's no you've got

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<v Speaker 3>to have landover and permission. When that deer goes over

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<v Speaker 3>there and dies, it becomes that landowners deer got in Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>So what wound up happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Every game is deer back.

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<v Speaker 3>I think eventually got his deer back because the outs anyways,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Picture the world in which you'd have it stuff down

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<v Speaker 1>the wall and be like, oh sweet, where'd you get

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<v Speaker 1>that buck? Well, the neighbor kid got it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>took it from them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the dudes pour in from out of state here

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<v Speaker 3>in Kentucky now, and they pay absorbit at prices for

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<v Speaker 3>land into like three or four thousand dollars a weekend

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<v Speaker 3>to hunt to shoot a one twenty five light tail,

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<v Speaker 3>and they do not want to go home without something

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<v Speaker 3>that all the money that they've invested feeding deer. I

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<v Speaker 3>worked on a project over in Critney County, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was amazed that come in August September, all the trucks

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<v Speaker 3>from out of state that would come in with just

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<v Speaker 3>a damn pickup load of deer feed and deer feeders

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 3>on our start feeding the deer and doing that. So

0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 3>it's a huge industry in Kentucky that everybody is like,

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 3>it's under the radar. Nobody wants to talk about it.

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 1>Nothing worse than a dude hunting out of his own states.

0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 2>You can't see that. You should be illegal. You can't

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 2>see it.

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>That tell you that straight from Texas. Oh guy had

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.159
<v Speaker 1>this a little bit just to circle back on this

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>skunk situation. Then we're gonna put the skunk situation to bed.

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 1>This is I think this is a wives tale. Say

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:19.640
<v Speaker 1>water witching. Kevin and I had a long argument. Kevin

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 1>believes the water witching.

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 3>I do.

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I do not.

0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 3>My friend David Johnson, he is a supreme water witcher.

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Don't don't take the bait he's going to be on.

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>You're taking the bait. I was trying to rage bait. Yeah,

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.359
<v Speaker 1>how fast you watched the guy of water witch.

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:46.360
<v Speaker 3>He's written several Me and him. We went out there

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:51.160
<v Speaker 3>and there's zones of concentration, got them zones of concentration,

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 3>and that's where are the first American hunters, the first Americans,

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 3>they would build their camp sites a lot of times

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 3>on zones of concentrated water. Sure underground, not great.

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 2>They have to do with water witching.

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 3>He can once he finds goes out in that like

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 3>the mega complex that we're working on. He went in

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 3>and water witched it. And that's where we're concentrating our digs.

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 3>And that's where we found the bottom tusk of a

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 3>mastodon in the shape of a penis.

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I can't argue that, dude. I tell you, I believe

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.159
<v Speaker 1>everything everybody tells me. So now until someone tells me

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>it's fake, I'm gonna tell him it's real. Craig you

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 1>know what Craig saying. Craig Clay. Clay don't like any

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.399
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing that has to do with sorcery, you know,

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.159
<v Speaker 1>so he don't like it when you call it witching.

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 1>I was telling you this he calls a thousand because

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.719
<v Speaker 1>he thinks witching makes it seem like a black art,

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 1>a dark art. Anyhow, Skunks guy writes in to say this.

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 1>This is a correction. It's a hot tip, he says.

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>My dad traps skunks during World War Two for the government.

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 1>He'd sell them to the government, he says, to make

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 1>parka hoods eh that could be true. They had a

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>skin and shed off the barn, and they'd have a

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 1>fire burning and a barrel. It would throw a wet

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>slice of this is I'm gonna read this verbatim because

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:24.160
<v Speaker 1>he's got some clever punctuation in here, which is proper.

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>He says, and would throw a wet slice of I'm

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure alfalfa hay on the fire to make it smoky,

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>continuing the quote, that would kill the skunk, smell in

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the skin, and shed off the equipment as well as

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 1>the skins.

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I think it would.

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 5>Mass the central it would complexify the odor, Yeah, I would.

0:28:57.360 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 2>I think it would complexify the odor. I don't know

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 2>that it would neutral the odor.

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 6>We're just mixing different smells together.

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 2>It smells, that's all you really don't. There's some good.

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 1>When I was a kid, the lower was tomato juice.

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Now the hot money, and I think it's legit. The

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>hot money is like hydrogen peroxide, don dish detergent, and

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>there's a third and bacon soda, and you make a

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>frothy shampoo and skunk trappers. When they get one, it'll spray.

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 1>You'll legit. They'll make up that little concoction. I've tried it,

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was like it didn't eradicate the smell.

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>But they'll make up that concoction and no joke. Give

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>that skunk a little bath and it's frothy. You scrub

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 1>them down in it interesting.

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 4>So.

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe you should try that, same as marriage.

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 4>I got sprayed by skunk one time and just left

0:29:52.720 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 4>my clothes outside for months. Yeah, so I just went away.

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I had a guy telling me a story. You might

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>have been there when he told us the story. He

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:07.719
<v Speaker 1>threw some clothes out in the yard because it got

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 1>sprayed by a skunk and waited so long that the

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>upward facing part of the clothes had begun to bleach,

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 1>so that he said, when he lifted it up, you

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 1>could tell the.

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Parts of the clumpered up, crumpled up clothes.

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>You could tell the parts that had got sun bleach

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>and the parts that hadn't, because it got like a

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 1>tie die appearance to it. And he said he smelled

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that some of a bitch and still smelled like skunk. Oh, really,

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 1>it's what he said. It's what he said.

0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 3>I've got a good skunk story.

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Please be sure you do with all your dogs.

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 3>It's probably like nineteen eighty seventy nine, maybe eighty one.

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Furt prices was up pretty high, and everybody was trapping

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 3>and had some kind of mongrel dog and stuff. And

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 3>I had a dog named Artie, and we'd go out

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 3>at night and you could get six dollars for a

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 3>big possum then. So we had got out one night

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 3>and roamed around and he loved to catch a skunk

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 3>and he'd got into the skunk. And I come back

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 3>home and it was probably like eleven thirty twelve o'clock

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 3>at night. I'm creeping in the door open up the door.

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm still living with my mom and dad, and we

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 3>got a pretty good sized house and they're on the

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 3>like very back end, and like I know, more than

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 3>get like ten feet in the house there, and my

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 3>dad's screaming at me to tell me to take my

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 3>clothes off that he can smell that skunk on me.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 3>I go back outside, strip my clothes off, and go

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 3>in and take a shyer. But I mean, it was

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 3>that quick. As soon as I hit the door, they

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 3>got in the back of the house. They can smell that.

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 4>It is.

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 1>It is just I have immense respect for that solution.

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 2>That liquid in a skunk.

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>That I mean, I don't think that a human could make.

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think in a lab you could make as

0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>pugnacious or resilient of an odor in a laboratory.

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>That stuff too.

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 4>Like when you smell skunk at a one hundred yards,

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 4>it smells like skunk, but when you really get in there.

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 2>It turns into something different.

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>My dream is to get real mad at someone and

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>skunk them. Well, I just want to take a hypodermic

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>needle of skunk and just give a little and put

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 1>that inject it into their car seat.

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, cause you know.

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine they would look and look and look,

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>you could find it, right, it would never stop looking

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and they'd never find it.

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>What's that liquid even called skunk scent?

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, if you went to buy it, if you went

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>to buy it, you'd be buying some skunk. Okay, Right now,

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm making a thing called I'm not in the market.

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Well I am.

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>We've had it, Well, we've get we sold it in

0:32:58.920 --> 0:32:59.959
<v Speaker 1>the auction house of bodities.

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 2>What did it go for? I don't remember.

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm making a thing right now called the Nelson formula.

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a kyote bait formula I'm making. And

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the first step is you grind bob kept meat and

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>you put it out to taint. You put a taint

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 1>on it. Chili thought it. Chili literally put his taint

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.960
<v Speaker 1>on it, not realizing that what I meant was you

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>put it.

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 2>He thought it was. When I said we're gonna put

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 2>a taint on it, I'm just out there spreading agle.

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 4>Turn.

0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I said, no, no, Chili, well, we were going to

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>ride it ever so slightly.

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Were not gonna put it. We're gonna let it taint.

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 2>We're not gonna put a good in this shift bad

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 2>judgment right there. But that's the guy. He's quick.

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, you tell me somebody doesn't. I'm putting a

0:33:54.640 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>taint on it, right. This is part of a broader project.

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 1>This is part of a book. This is part of

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 1>a book project. I'm beginning about the history of and

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>characters involved in the American fur trade through time, right

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>since the beginning of time. When they established Manhattan, it

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 1>was a beaver. They established Manhattan. It was like a

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:25.759
<v Speaker 1>beaver trading outpost.

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>So as part of this thing that's like a fun

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.319
<v Speaker 1>little bit, I'm making this very famous bait formula called

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 1>the Nelson formula. Step one is you take some bobcat meat,

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.319
<v Speaker 1>chunk it up or grind it down, and then rode

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 1>it in your garage for a long time. You take

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 1>a glass jar philip, glass gallon jar Philip two thirds

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:48.879
<v Speaker 1>full and start ritting it down. Dardelle's making my daughter

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>and her friends smell it. They want me to make

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>oh Yanni's daughter, Mabel and Rosie. They wanted me to

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>make smash burgers for dinner. And I told him I

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>was gonna make cat smash burgers out of that burger

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>spake of smellad my daughter, do she want to go

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>near that jar?

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 2>And behind his daughter's stuck her?

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>What else is in the bait? So then once you

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>get you make a solution. So you make you grind

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 1>up the cat meat and let it taint. Then you

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>make a solution in another jar. And the solution is

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:31.319
<v Speaker 1>comprised of pure rain, water, fine red fox, piss, valerian root,

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:39.959
<v Speaker 1>some the other root called like a feeda. Some people

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>say it gives you the ships, and some people say

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 1>it cures the ships.

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't want to try it up. Yeah, I want

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 2>to clarify that.

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I ordered something it's hard to find. I'm sure a tincture,

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 1>so it's been a word. I don't like tincture. A

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>tincture of this root that goes in there. And in

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the Nelson formula it was real smudge. And I couldn't

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:08.360
<v Speaker 1>tell if it meant twelve bounces or a half ounce,

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 1>And Mercer Long told me definitely a half ounce.

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:15.240
<v Speaker 2>You wanna put twelve bounces of that stuff in there? Fox?

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.359
<v Speaker 1>So I said, fox, skunk, essence, beaver, caster, vlarian root,

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 1>this other root, what else is in it?

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 2>That's it?

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 1>And I took a bunch of beaver casters and cured

0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>them in moonshine, so that seeing that I took a

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>sip of it, that took me eight hours to get

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that taste out of my mouth.

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 2>I can imagine that moonshine I think he has.

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if someone had it in him to drink the

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 3>hydrome test it to see where.

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if someone had it in him to drink enough

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>of that moonshine to get drunk off that beaver caster moonshine,

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I would have a lot of respect for that individual.

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you might even grow a tail.

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>So that's the Nelson Why am I even talking about this?

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 1>The Nelson formula?

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:05.879
<v Speaker 2>What the hell is I talking about talking about?

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>The one part I don't have is the skunk castens.

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I gotta go secure me some skunk casts.

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 4>We've had years where we couldn't get away from.

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Skut I know thicker thin not this year, rich and poor.

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, speaking of bobcasts, I got two other observations about bobcats.

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Doug Derren.

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:31.759
<v Speaker 1>Introduced me to my favorite saying he was talking about

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 1>two guys being real good friends, and Doug said they're

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>like nuts and a dog. A true friendship would be

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:48.720
<v Speaker 1>like nuts on a cat. That is a tight true friendship.

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 2>That's real tight.

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. That's a true friendship.

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:56.879
<v Speaker 2>The nuts on a dog. Yeah, they're just always. Yeah,

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 2>the guys that are very close with one another. They're

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.279
<v Speaker 2>not like the bulls that's out here. No nuts on

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 2>the bullet I mean they're friendly.

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes they separate a little bit, but they always they always.

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Come back to You always find each other.

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:19.359
<v Speaker 1>Nuts on a cat, Yeah, like nuts on a big

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>horn sheet. Like, so they like they're in touch, they're

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 1>in contact. They text now and then they have each

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 1>other's email. But like nuts on a cat, as you're like,

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 1>last thing on Bobcats. How much have we talked about

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>this whole Bobcat situation down here podcast?

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>No, no, not so much what we're doing down here.

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 1>But just like I feel like I've been like living,

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 1>I've been like very I got to move away from it.

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:50.800
<v Speaker 1>I've been too obsessed with Bobcats lately. It's starting to

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>interfere with my marriage, my professional.

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of I know, but I got everything we

0:38:56.560 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 4>can text about, texted about in the last three months

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 4>has been Bobcats.

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:08.759
<v Speaker 1>After the auction, after the fur auction, I'm setting all,

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I can't go on like I can't till next year. Yeah,

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>it's just like it's interfering with my personal life. It's

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 1>interfering with my family, it's interfering.

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 2>With my job. So I should stop sending you trail

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:21.479
<v Speaker 2>can picture.

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't want nothing to do with Bobcats after the auction.

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.439
<v Speaker 1>It's just been very interesting to me as we talked

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 1>about that. Like Bobcat, I've always been I'm always interested

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:36.400
<v Speaker 1>in the fur markets. And as we covered, skunk prices

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 1>are high right now and Bobcat prices are very high

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 1>right now. I've got a very interesting book for you.

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna bring it on this trip, but I

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>forgot it. And the title of it is the Bobcat.

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 3>Of North America.

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, i'd be more and I'll take a look.

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 3>See, you'll glean a lot of information.

0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Well I might not. You will I might not. Yeah,

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:02.640
<v Speaker 2>it goes you want to know why I might not?

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:04.759
<v Speaker 4>I do.

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:09.320
<v Speaker 2>We're good. Let's just check in.

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 1>It's because listen, man, I'm not hacking out. I'm saying

0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>because it's from nineteen sixty. So that's great. But it's

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:24.479
<v Speaker 1>like it's gonna lack a lot of stuff. Modern coloring data.

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 1>A lot of it's like, so much of what we

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 1>know about how stuff moves.

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Is new.

0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:35.799
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'll give you that that part of it. Yeah,

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 3>but it's based on history and what they knew about

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 3>Bobcats when guys just lived in the village, not abologe,

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:49.800
<v Speaker 3>a guy that maybe made his living from the bounty

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:53.919
<v Speaker 3>on Bobcats. So when money gets involved, people find out

0:40:54.400 --> 0:41:04.279
<v Speaker 3>how shit works money. How can we catch every damn

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:05.359
<v Speaker 3>one of them out there?

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 1>That's a bumper sticker on your car, He's got a pro.

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 1>He's got a coal keeps the lights on a bumper

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>sticker on his car. Yeah, he's gonna switch that out

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:15.399
<v Speaker 1>with Well that's true of coal.

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Let's timber. They are first, and we'll do the other

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 3>planets later.

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.359
<v Speaker 2>You know. Well that's your Yeah. I don't.

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with what you're saying about the money thing,

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 1>but I don't. We need to be this is a

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.320
<v Speaker 1>whole other subject. We need to be all done cutting

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 1>old growth. I don't want to debate it with you.

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:41.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say much respect for you to sit

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:43.360
<v Speaker 3>here in debate with some part of it there. I

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 3>used to be like the guy I hated loggers, timber

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 3>cutters and all that.

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:48.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that.

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:50.880
<v Speaker 3>And then we've got to manage our forest. There's a

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.800
<v Speaker 3>place for old growth, and there's a place to manage

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 3>our forest. So we we were able to build nursery

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 3>for all types of animals.

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Listen, man, here's the deal. I'm not even gonna tell

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you I disagree. That's fine. I'm gonna let you say

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 1>that I don't agree.

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 3>You know, some people come into Kentucky and they'll go

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 3>into a forest and they call it old growth and

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 3>it's like one hundred years old. Like he'll be l Yeah,

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.239
<v Speaker 3>they go up there, this is old growth. It's not

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 3>old growth. When they came in to make iron and

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:36.839
<v Speaker 3>steel up there, they use the forest for fuel. They

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.439
<v Speaker 3>made charcoals out of that. The bulls and they cut

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.880
<v Speaker 3>everything down. So the oldest tree up there is probably

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 3>less than one hundred years old.

0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 2>That's not old growth.

0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 3>That's not old but they classified as old growth. And

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 3>then they petition the keyboard warriors. The one dude in

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:57.439
<v Speaker 3>there that is cranking out fourteen emails a day saying

0:42:57.560 --> 0:43:02.960
<v Speaker 3>save our old growth forest in lbl or whatever forest

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:06.360
<v Speaker 3>is in Kentucky. It's been already been harvest it's not

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 3>original oat growth forest. Yes, anything original o growth. I'm

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:11.800
<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent let's keep that baby.

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I one hundred percent for habitat to make up

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:18.800
<v Speaker 1>for the fact that we're not using fire like we

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 1>used to use. I'm all for managed forests. There's a

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of areas Northern Michigan, well much of Michigan, Michigan's

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Upper Peninsula, Like I could sit here and list places

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 1>all day long that had had much better wildlife habitat

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>for native wildlife when they were actively logging. Because you

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:43.399
<v Speaker 1>need different structures and age growth and all that. I'm

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent. I am not a hands off guy.

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Most forests are disturbed. They require active management. You're not

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:51.840
<v Speaker 1>going to put the genie back in the bottle. Mankind

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>has already gotten in there and whack things up, and

0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>mankind can do things to fix things.

0:43:57.640 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 2>However, and.

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Not to disrespect anyone on the economic injury end of it,

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 1>not to disrespect the walker who's making a living. I

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.919
<v Speaker 1>don't think that when it comes to four year, five

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:15.720
<v Speaker 1>year or four hundred, five hundred, six hundred year old trees,

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.719
<v Speaker 1>at this point, they're more valuable standing there.

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 3>I agree with you. I'm a hundred set with you

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 3>on that part. Oh, back to Bobcats, Back to Bobcats.

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 3>You know I'm a I'm a Bobcat guy man. When

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 3>I was I got a great some great stories to

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 3>tell you. When I was a kid, that was on

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 3>my hit list. And in Kentucky, they didn't become legal

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 3>till when the sight these saying come along. They didn't

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 3>become legal toll like ninety one ninety two ish, they

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 3>got off the list. You couldn't hunt them. You could

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.360
<v Speaker 3>hunt them at one time, and then when the Sights

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 3>came along and all that, they took them off and

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 3>they were restricted. But I remember as a kid going

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 3>to Doc mos and Mosley was part of the Manhattan Project.

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 3>He went into Hot Japan right after they dropped him.

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 3>But I remember going to Doc Moseley's office getting a

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.840
<v Speaker 3>shot and ass with some pilling selling for five dollars.

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 3>And I looked up there and he had two like

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:18.319
<v Speaker 3>kitten bobcats. I mean just little bitty, I mean most

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Bob gets. You see what he's like. Small, But I

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 3>was always intrigued with him. And then I remember one

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 3>day that me and Brookie Wicker we had camped out

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 3>all night and we got up earlier.

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Grillery.

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 3>It's a guy. We h he had a sister named Julie,

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Jennie and uh one more. Remember I could tell you

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 3>another story, but.

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Bobcats g W.

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Terrell said, I put it in layman's turn.

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 2>G W.

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Terrell said that Scott Wicker should have a medal for

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:52.840
<v Speaker 3>raising good looking women, so you could just read into that.

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:03.799
<v Speaker 3>So man, Brookie, we camped out all night and we're

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:05.759
<v Speaker 3>on the edge of Lake Barkley, and we go up

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Poplar Creek and we take our twenty twos. He's got

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 3>a Winchester sixty one blow to his dad's got his

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 3>initials engraved in it. S w somebody with some really

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 3>skill with the engraver, not you. And then I've got

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 3>the Bronco twenty two survival rifle. It's like all middle

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 3>skeleton frame and it flips up. So we go out

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 3>and we're shooting twenty two's, we're killing this, it's killing that.

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 3>And there's this blackbird probably like forty yards wave good

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:38.399
<v Speaker 3>A good, a good piece. I bet you can't shoot

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 3>that right there. And I go up and I take

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 3>the Bronco up and I squeeze off a shot. He said, oh,

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.280
<v Speaker 3>you didn't get it. And about that time, the blackbird

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 3>falls out of the tree. We take ten steps and

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:54.359
<v Speaker 3>here comes a bobcat trotting across the road in front

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 3>of us twenty yards, turns and looks at us. We

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:02.360
<v Speaker 3>got no twenty two shells, so you'll never catch me

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:03.560
<v Speaker 3>with less than a hundred pack.

0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Just threw a gun at it.

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:11.120
<v Speaker 3>True story, four hundred percent trough. So that I went

0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 3>from there and I started running with this guy named

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Jimmy McCoy, and he was obsessed with bobcat hunting, travel

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 3>the whole United States from Maine, Wisconsin, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Oregon,

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 3>you name it bobcat hunting, finding out what he needed

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 3>to know about Bobcatt told me it took him ten

0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:37.440
<v Speaker 3>years before he could he could catch a bobcat on

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 3>his own with hand dogs, with hand dogs in Kentucky

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 3>because we get limited amounts of snow at that time.

0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.759
<v Speaker 3>Some of his hunting was like under the radar. So,

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:51.319
<v Speaker 3>like I said, he's the one that petitioned to get

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 3>the bobcat legal trapper came in a bologist and he

0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 3>and he told him everything that he knew about it.

0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 3>So in the late eighty nine or so, I started

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 3>hunting with them and learning how they do running dogs.

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:10.399
<v Speaker 3>We might go a whole season and not even catch

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:12.240
<v Speaker 3>one with dogs, yep, and killing.

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 6>And then.

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 3>I got a dog from him. I had another squirrel dog,

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:22.400
<v Speaker 3>the original Butchy, and within probably three years I was

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 3>able to catch one on my own with the knowledge

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:27.040
<v Speaker 3>that I got from him.

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Is that the one you caught sneaking out ahead of.

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 3>The dogs, Uh, Now, that was with him because I

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.320
<v Speaker 3>had his dog pack. The one with they got my

0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 3>kid seth And I showed you a picture of hanging

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 3>from a sliprem tree. Yep, that's the one that was

0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:45.880
<v Speaker 3>my first one. Let's see, that's the first one. I

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 3>truly I ambushed some with some dogs, like road hunt

0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 3>down the road and they would push like a young

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:52.800
<v Speaker 3>kitten up a tree and just go in and shoot it.

0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:56.279
<v Speaker 3>But I intentionally turned loose on that big boy twenty

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.360
<v Speaker 3>four pounds and caught him with the dogs.

0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Got it, got it right? Now?

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Casts are real hot. This is kind of part of

0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:06.919
<v Speaker 1>this whole deal I'm wanting to talk about.

0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:07.360
<v Speaker 2>With cats.

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Cat prices are very high, so it's just got me

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:15.480
<v Speaker 1>interested in like this whole range of cats. So we're

0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:17.400
<v Speaker 1>down here in South Texas and we just got some

0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:20.720
<v Speaker 1>cats down here in South Texas predator calling for cats,

0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:23.120
<v Speaker 1>and we caught some cats up in Montana. These are

0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:28.280
<v Speaker 1>very very different extremes. Casts up in Montana are much bigger,

0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 1>thicker fur. Cast down in Texas are slender, lighter, thinner fur.

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:39.719
<v Speaker 1>But what makes a cat valuable or not is whether

0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:42.439
<v Speaker 1>or not it has a white belly with clean black

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 1>spots Texas casts in South Texas and cats in Montana

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:52.840
<v Speaker 1>have white bellies and black spots, so they're of value.

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Just for a point of reference, when I was actually

0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:58.719
<v Speaker 1>when I actually sold fur and would trap and sell

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:02.799
<v Speaker 1>fur in Michigan, growing up at a point in time

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:05.719
<v Speaker 1>when the red fox was worth forty bucks, a bobcat

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:09.720
<v Speaker 1>was worth fifteen dollars. Because those bobcats out there aren't

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:12.040
<v Speaker 1>valuable because they don't have white bellies and black spots.

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 1>They're not a spot, they're not nicely spotted. But right now,

0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:22.440
<v Speaker 1>cat prices are crazy. Cats are consistently averaging more than

0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:24.799
<v Speaker 1>five hundred bucks in the West right now, and there's

0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:30.680
<v Speaker 1>some collections of cats selling at eight hundred bucks apiece. Okay,

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:33.960
<v Speaker 1>other poor areas of cats. Cats are running one to

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:38.360
<v Speaker 1>two hundred dollars. So Seth and I are making a

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:40.480
<v Speaker 1>video call. It's gonna be called Steven Seth get Rich,

0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and we're taking some Montana cats and some Texas cats,

0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to a famous bobcat auction, one of

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the top bobcat auctions in the country. I'm not saying

0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 1>where we're going. We're going to one of the top

0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:58.160
<v Speaker 1>bobcat auctions in the country. Seth can't goacas. His wife's

0:50:58.160 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 1>having a baby's being a baby about it.

0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>You and I are going. Me and Max are going, yeah,

0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:04.120
<v Speaker 2>thanks for stepping in.

0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Me and Max are going to the auction and we're

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:11.479
<v Speaker 1>gonna auction off Texas cats and Montana cats. We're gonna

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:14.080
<v Speaker 1>do a video we're explaining the cat market, and then

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:17.200
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna interview one of the top bobcat buyers. We're

0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:19.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna go to one of the top cat auctions in

0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the country and interview one of the top cat buyers

0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 1>in the country and interview one of the top cat

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:28.240
<v Speaker 1>trappers in the country. And it's gonna be called Steven

0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 1>South get Rich, and we're taking all of our wealth

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 1>from this sale, and we're putting it and dissess unborn

0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:41.320
<v Speaker 1>baby virgils bank account, bank account, college account.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want him blowing it on cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna ear market for his education or comparable

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:50.520
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't need to be college, but or comparable.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, education, further education or if he wants to start

0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:58.359
<v Speaker 4>a business or whatever after after high.

0:51:58.040 --> 0:51:59.840
<v Speaker 2>School, he wants to learn how to weld pipe, he

0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 2>use it for that whatever. It's very nice to use

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Steve to contribute that. Very nice.

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<v Speaker 1>My own children very unhappy about this development. They ever

0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 1>heard me talking about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, that's what. That's what.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, we got some cats down here in Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been predator calling cats I to date have called

0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:30.000
<v Speaker 1>in in my lifetime have predator called in during daylight

0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.440
<v Speaker 1>hours at this point now a total of eight.

0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 2>That I know about, mm hmm, called down here, all

0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:41.120
<v Speaker 2>in Texas. All in Texas. I never called in a

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:41.879
<v Speaker 2>cat in the North.

0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:45.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because you can't call for them in Montana. You

0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 5>can't use an electronic caller that Yeah, you can't use

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:48.960
<v Speaker 5>it his mouth bloone call.

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:51.840
<v Speaker 4>We we one time called a cat in by accident

0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:53.560
<v Speaker 4>in Pennsylvania calling kyotes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just called him in Turkey hunting. But I've

0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 2>called him. But I'm not kind.

0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking like intent call, like intent to call.

0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, just this trip four four and the four last

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:08.840
<v Speaker 2>time I tried it? Hm, what about the one that

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:12.560
<v Speaker 2>you ended up shooting last nime was one of the four?

0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Ye I've laid eyes on and try while trying to

0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 1>call bobcats in daylight hours, I've called in eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you find there's a sweet spot in the day

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<v Speaker 2>I have?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't make that call on it. Yeah, I'll tell

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:32.839
<v Speaker 1>you what I haven't done after. What I haven't done

0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:36.719
<v Speaker 1>yet is called when at daybreak? Well, part of a

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 1>pet theory of mine. Go ahead, I was gonna say

0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:43.439
<v Speaker 1>on on day one, the two cats that you killed

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 1>was the last stand in the morning and the first

0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 1>stand in the afternoon.

0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like and then the cat that I

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:55.520
<v Speaker 2>killed the next day was the mid morning. It was

0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:58.040
<v Speaker 2>the later stand in the day.

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:01.440
<v Speaker 1>And Mercer Long, who's called in a great many cats,

0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Mercer Long was saying to me, it's amazing how many

0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you call in at noon. You know what winds up

0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:09.080
<v Speaker 1>being It's almost like it's like when you review in

0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:14.120
<v Speaker 1>your head. The turkeys that you get, not the turkeys

0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:16.359
<v Speaker 1>you try to get. But the turkeys have just come

0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 1>in hard banker's hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye. But guess what, you're still going right at the

0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:25.359
<v Speaker 2>ass crack of down. You're still up there at Don. Yep,

0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:27.000
<v Speaker 2>you're still up there at Don. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's something about that. I don't know, Like

0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.200
<v Speaker 1>this is like a pet theory of mine. I don't

0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 1>really know. A bobcat comes in with a very different

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:42.000
<v Speaker 1>attitude than a coyote at daybreak. You call in a

0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:45.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of coyotes, I don't know, and a cat comes

0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:49.760
<v Speaker 1>in pretty paranoid. Maybe there's something like they don't want.

0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:55.000
<v Speaker 2>To wrestle around the kyote or something. I don't know.

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they don't like Maybe maybe there's something to do

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<v Speaker 1>with cows. There's a thing too with rattling deer, Like

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 1>when you rattle bucks down here, you rattle more bucks

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<v Speaker 1>down here midday than early morning.

0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I feel. Do you not feel that way?

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<v Speaker 4>The mornings are more productive for rattling. I think here

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:27.440
<v Speaker 4>daybreak like daybreak up until you quit midday, and the

0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:30.440
<v Speaker 4>evenings evenings are not as productive.

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<v Speaker 1>What I was gonna say there is. I always felt

0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that bucks are bored late morning, Yeah, not bored. They're

0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:42.759
<v Speaker 1>not chasing, their dos are betted down. And he's more like, yeah,

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:44.520
<v Speaker 1>I walk over and take a look. It's like if

0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:46.600
<v Speaker 1>creeping in on a bowl, like creeping in a bowl

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 1>where like a bowl with a bunch of batted cows.

0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:51.960
<v Speaker 1>You creep in on him, and like late morning, mid day,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel he's more he's gonna he's like more likely

0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 1>to come have a look than he is when his

0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:00.920
<v Speaker 1>cows are on the move. And he's like, I'm like,

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:02.799
<v Speaker 1>I gotta pay attention over here. I can't get up,

0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:05.239
<v Speaker 1>but like late morning, he might be like, ye, I'll

0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:07.839
<v Speaker 1>go take a look. Everybody's kind of chill holding still.

0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:13.120
<v Speaker 1>I might go have a looxie. H A starty just

0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:20.759
<v Speaker 1>came out. You're gonna pay attention, as Kevin. That puts

0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 1>cats to bad, right, Stay tuned for our video. Yeah,

0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Steven Seth get.

0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Rich and Bobcats in North America facts.

0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Yep, we're also making a video. It's pretty much done.

0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Is it's called armorganzers really as bad as everyone says.

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:44.800
<v Speaker 1>But here's a study that just came out. They ranked

0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:57.000
<v Speaker 1>monogamy of dozens of mammals, including humans. Humans are less

0:56:57.320 --> 0:57:05.440
<v Speaker 1>monogamous than some mice, but are more monogamous than some

0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:13.480
<v Speaker 1>breeds of sheep. This is out of Cambridge University. All

0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:16.280
<v Speaker 1>it looks at is it looks at full versus half

0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 1>siblings in a rage of mammals. You following me full

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:28.560
<v Speaker 1>versus half siblings. Species and societies with higher levels of

0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 1>monogamy are likely to produce more siblings that share both parents,

0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:36.760
<v Speaker 1>while those with more polygamous or promiscuous mating partners are

0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:38.720
<v Speaker 1>likely to see more half siblings.

0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Is that based on collared specimens?

0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:52.640
<v Speaker 1>No, okay, it's genetics right when it comes to our

0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:55.920
<v Speaker 1>level of monogamy, human monogamy. When it comes to our

0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:59.160
<v Speaker 1>level of monogamy, we're in there with meer cats and beavers.

0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh great, We're in there with meerkats and beavers. And

0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:10.520
<v Speaker 1>they're even going back in time. They're able to go

0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:16.640
<v Speaker 1>back to Bronze Age burial grounds in Europe, Neolithic sites,

0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and Anatolia. Ethnographic data from ninety four human societies around

0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:27.840
<v Speaker 1>the world, from Tanzania and hunter gatherers to rice farming

0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:35.320
<v Speaker 1>cultures in Indonesia. Okay, a wide swath of human cultures.

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.320
<v Speaker 1>You want to know what the most monogamous critter is

0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:44.240
<v Speaker 1>out there? One of the most monogamous mammal Take a guess,

0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I got.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no is.

0:58:55.920 --> 0:59:03.760
<v Speaker 1>The California deer mouse. They are strict, strict, strict monogamy.

0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:16.600
<v Speaker 1>African wild dogs, very monogamous, mole rats, very monogamous, Ethiopian wolves,

0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:25.800
<v Speaker 1>very monogamous, Eurasian beavers. So the California deer mouse has

0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:29.840
<v Speaker 1>a one hundred okay top rating one hundred highest, one

0:59:29.920 --> 0:59:36.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred Ethiopian wolves commit out of seventy six point five,

0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the Eurasian beaver seventy two nine, humans sixty six, and

0:59:49.600 --> 0:59:51.520
<v Speaker 1>then a mere cat and a gibbon. We're kind of

0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:59.040
<v Speaker 1>like them, gray wolves, less monoque, significantly less magnogamous than us.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if they keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>Very low monogamy eighteen what's the lowest? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>faral cats, Yeah, but no, here we're getting down. Oh jeez,

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<v Speaker 1>the Antarctic fur seal. Dude, they don't give a care.

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<v Speaker 1>Two point nine er killer whales don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine white tails don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, killer whales skirt chasers, yeah. Three point three the

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<v Speaker 1>Savannah baboon doesn't care, chimpsund open door policy, Gorilla's open

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<v Speaker 1>door policy, ditch cougars, faral cats sixteen.

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<v Speaker 5>I wonder so, like some of the higher rating, some

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<v Speaker 5>of the higher ratings, are they measuring, like what if

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<v Speaker 5>like their partner dies? That's all, yeah, because that would

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<v Speaker 5>be like is that how they're doing the study or

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<v Speaker 5>it's just it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just siblings and half siblings.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So if you get into like if you get

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<v Speaker 1>into the like the the California deer mouse, a collection

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<v Speaker 1>of progeny, all their parents same two parents, right, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I got all kind of half brothers and sisters, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'd throw the whole thing off.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's you want some squirrel news, Kevin.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready for some squirrel news. Hit me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is from the Economist. I didn't know this

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<v Speaker 1>in Britain. I was making a joke there, two body

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<v Speaker 1>mine in California. We're talking about like Britain is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to ban pretending to fox h jeez, Like they banned

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<v Speaker 1>fox hunts. So then these dudes get where they take

1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:08.880
<v Speaker 1>a doll basically and put fox order and drag that

1:02:09.040 --> 1:02:11.680
<v Speaker 1>around and they pretend to fox hunt. But now and

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<v Speaker 1>then they'll be all pretending to fox hunt and the

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<v Speaker 1>dogs start chasing the real fox that are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>ban pretending to fox hunt. My buddy in California, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>Britain is like the world's California.

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<v Speaker 2>He laughed. But this is nothing to do with that.

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<v Speaker 1>So Britain has a pine squirrel, or they called a

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<v Speaker 1>red squirrel. They got a little shit in red squirrel.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know this. They have invasive gray squirrels. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as I've talked about many times, I was raised to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that pines red squirrels bite the nuts off gray

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels and make the munichs.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any truth to that, Kevin? No, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>wives tale. It's like it's like witch and water. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>you believed in it. It's untrue.

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<v Speaker 3>Now the gray squirrel are really impacted England.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>They now have estimated two point five million invasive gray

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels in England and their native squirrel numbers are down

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<v Speaker 1>to thirty nine thousand. They've got a thing they found

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<v Speaker 1>that they gotta they got a thing they've identified how

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna try to curb this. They found that gray

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels have a real hunger for hazelnut butter.

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<v Speaker 2>They've poisoning the hazel lot butter.

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<v Speaker 1>They've established a red squirrel recovery network. This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is researchers within the government's Animal, Plant and Health Agency.

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<v Speaker 1>They're loading you know, because it's Britain, so they're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put poison in it. They're loading it with contraceptives. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like when this is when like, uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what happens when when ecology restoration of native species

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<v Speaker 1>habitat work runs up against like radical animal rights elements,

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<v Speaker 1>when you have to start talking about that you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>use contraceptives. It's like with the wild horse problem. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't talk about killing them. There are are something Well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we can give them contraceptives and we'll have to

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<v Speaker 1>catch everyone and give it an update every six months

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure it doesn't have any babies. So they

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<v Speaker 1>have this contraceptive bait and they have their developing a

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<v Speaker 1>feeder that the squirrel has to have a certain mass.

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<v Speaker 1>It has a certain weight in order to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the freezer. So ninety percent of adult gray squirrels are

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<v Speaker 1>heavy enough to activate it to get the bait. A

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<v Speaker 1>red squirrel he tries to go eat the contraceptive. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't get the bait. Previously, they've focused their efforts on

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<v Speaker 1>coling gray squirrels, where they say it's been expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>I can only imagine physically colling.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing they don't mean like, not physically, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guess they mean not through poison campaigns, but through shooting them.

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<v Speaker 1>And granted I get the poison thing you could have.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. Yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>You could have stuff getting in there and then you

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<v Speaker 1>got toxins laying around. I had no idea, Kevin, you

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<v Speaker 1>and your dogs can maybe go raise.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell over there.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I have a few people on Instagram and

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<v Speaker 3>they'll send me occasional picture of them going on a

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<v Speaker 3>squirrel hunt. I just recently got one from my family

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<v Speaker 3>and they had a young son and he had Agent doll,

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<v Speaker 3>four or five gray squirrels, had the the uh. His

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<v Speaker 3>daughter had a Red Rider BB gun. They hunted there

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<v Speaker 3>and I asked him and says, hey, just tell me

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit about your farm over there, says how

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<v Speaker 3>hard is to get one? He says, we can get

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<v Speaker 3>a shotgun pretty easy, No, not much hassle. But he

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<v Speaker 3>says to get a rifle like five years to get one,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said, you've got to have a specific purpose,

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<v Speaker 3>probably on some land before you can get get a rifle.

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<v Speaker 3>Shotguns pretty easy. But yeah, I have a few people

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<v Speaker 3>send me stuff from over there on the grey squirrels

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<v Speaker 3>going out.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever heard of anybody over there squirrel dogging?

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<v Speaker 3>They had a dog. I don't know if it actually treed,

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<v Speaker 3>but it helped helped them into the hunting and some

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<v Speaker 3>of the hunt clubs they organize hunts now to go

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<v Speaker 3>out and they do that polling thing and they'll go

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<v Speaker 3>in and harvest a big bunch of squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, here's a good one. This is from the journal Nature.

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<v Speaker 1>This takes a little bit of background. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>Journal Nature of these researchers they're working in South Africa, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>have found arrowheads stone arrowheads that they have dated to

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<v Speaker 1>sixty thousand years that contain plant toxins. Let's back up.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you guys all staring at.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at cameras making sure they're rolling ful phill.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought maybe it was time we had to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we're getting there. Yeah, Well give me an air.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't age, so someone should go read this, because

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<v Speaker 1>you can't age a stone point you have to you

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<v Speaker 1>can only age it by context, like you can't take

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<v Speaker 1>Dike Kevin's give.

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<v Speaker 3>Me amateur archaeologists here. I just come off, God, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you're yes, there are luminess tests. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>to work. I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, so you're talking about actually age in the stone.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually ages down some kind of luminescence.

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<v Speaker 1>The last time I was exposed to sunlight or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, I just found out. I don't know any

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<v Speaker 3>dynamics of that whatsoever. But that's how they age those

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<v Speaker 3>artifacts that don't have carbon fourteen or anything with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 1>They're these reasons, and I haven't read the piece. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty thousand years and they're finding plant toxins on stone

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<v Speaker 1>points in South Africa from sixty thousand years ago. When

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<v Speaker 1>you get into like this idea, the numbers switch. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's this term people use of like anatomically and

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<v Speaker 1>behaviorally modern humans, meaning if you went and got a

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<v Speaker 1>human from fifty thousand years ago and kidnapped him and

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<v Speaker 1>brought them in and raised and took them in a

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<v Speaker 1>time machine and raised them today he'd be able to

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<v Speaker 1>like fly an airplane and walk around on the streets

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<v Speaker 1>and wouldn't look weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think do I think that?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, yeah, it's there's like a debate was

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<v Speaker 1>it like? But it's usually centers around fifty thousand years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy thousand years ago people were like behaviorally and anatomically

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<v Speaker 1>modern humans at that time looked would have been dead ringers,

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<v Speaker 1>right for people alive could be like lawyers, pilots, cat trappers,

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<v Speaker 1>the complicated stuff. At that time, you're looking skeptical. This

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<v Speaker 1>isn't my number.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying this is I'm just thinking, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying right or wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Found toxins derived from a plant whose common name is

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<v Speaker 1>the poison bulb plant, and it's still used by traditional

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<v Speaker 1>hunters today. When Seth and I were in Africa, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the trackers, the trackers were poachers that they caught.

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<v Speaker 1>They catch poachers and some of them they turn them

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<v Speaker 1>into trackers. Someone you turn them into the police. These

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<v Speaker 1>guys were telling us when they were kids, thirteen fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old, they were hunting with plant poisons for Kate

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<v Speaker 1>buffalo with poisons So these are poisons still used today

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<v Speaker 1>and they're finding traces of them on projectile points from

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<v Speaker 1>sixty thousand years ago. And it's a complex cooking process

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<v Speaker 1>to isolate and activate the poison solely weakened spray. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just interesting. Oh yeah, that dudes might have been that

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<v Speaker 1>long ago cooking up in South Africa, sixty thousand years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>which is getting to the point where you can't even

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<v Speaker 1>comprehend like humans, Like you can throw the number around,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't really picture what that means. Sixty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, three times longer ago than there were humans

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<v Speaker 1>at all in the New World. Yes, three times, So

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine how long ago that was as some dude

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<v Speaker 1>in America trying to bring, you know, kill a Macedon

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<v Speaker 1>three times longer ago than that dudes in Africa mixing

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<v Speaker 1>up plant toxins.

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<v Speaker 3>See, I was at the Gault site. It's four hours

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<v Speaker 3>from here, and that's probably the oldest documented inhabited site

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<v Speaker 3>in the US of seven thousand years before Clovis twenty thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I'm digging at a current site in Kentucky

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<v Speaker 3>and our artifacts are dating around fourteen five fifteen thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>Years ago in association with macedon.

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<v Speaker 3>Maceadons and mamos. One of the few sites in the

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<v Speaker 3>world where you have both species occurrent and this year

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<v Speaker 3>under the zones of concentrated water, we also found a

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<v Speaker 3>piece of what is it the moose elk antler, the

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<v Speaker 3>moose elk. We found a section about that in situ

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<v Speaker 3>in the ground planet at that site.

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<v Speaker 2>So is fossil is it now?

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<v Speaker 3>It's still bod still bone. It was under two meters

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<v Speaker 3>you know, six foot of overfield laying rat on the bedrock.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha hmm, a little section that.

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<v Speaker 3>While it looked like it had been worked by humans,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just this kind of piece that looked like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's no artwork on it, no defined structure

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<v Speaker 3>you could you know, it's like fifty to fifty Did

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<v Speaker 3>a human use this for some kind of tool? Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>maybe not yep in there, but we have found ivory

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<v Speaker 3>spear points.

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<v Speaker 1>We found that packer too, that.

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<v Speaker 3>We found the pecker of the lower I didn't even

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<v Speaker 3>not I didn't even know that a masta don had

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<v Speaker 3>a lower tusk, and they're usually eight to twelve inches long.

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<v Speaker 3>The lord peckers set in my hand in there and

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<v Speaker 3>it was is the shape of it and it was polished.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at a lot of times you hear like

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<v Speaker 1>someone's like, oh it's like a you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>carved into whatever. And you look and you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe it's just luck yea, you know that term

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<v Speaker 1>of geo fact like it's like a phony. Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you'll find a ricke and you think it's

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<v Speaker 1>something yeah, and then a guy will be like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a geofamily. It was just the earth made it and

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<v Speaker 1>it resembles a thing that packer is a packer it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's a unique opportunity for people. We're gonna have

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<v Speaker 3>a major dig there starting in September through October. We

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<v Speaker 3>need earth movers. You can come out and do some

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<v Speaker 3>real archaeology with a doctor Grambly. He's trained anthropologist, seventy

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<v Speaker 3>nine years old. We've been working that site for four

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<v Speaker 3>years now. There's a lot of history there. It was

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<v Speaker 3>the last battle of the Revolutionary.

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<v Speaker 2>War, Battle of Blue Licks. Ten Boone's kid was killed there.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten months after the Revolutionary War was over, the British

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<v Speaker 3>were still trying to control the Northwest Territory and they

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<v Speaker 3>ambushed Daniel Boone and his party and like you said,

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<v Speaker 3>his son died in his arm. You can walk down

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<v Speaker 3>to the river and actually see the ford I've been aiming,

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<v Speaker 3>like the way to cross it because it gets pretty low.

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<v Speaker 3>You could ride a horse across it, no problem at all.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's just mesmerizing to be at that site, all

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<v Speaker 3>that history that Daniel Boone and the salt works. They

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<v Speaker 3>were come there to do the salt. The megafauna came

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<v Speaker 3>in there and they habitat it. That that area. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we've got big bone lick in Kentucky that's been been

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<v Speaker 3>robbed and traumatized from the original settlers that came in

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<v Speaker 3>sent the bones back to England and stuff. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know what a mastadon was at that time. But just

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<v Speaker 3>to go down there and dig on something and find that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, everything we get we have to to give.

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<v Speaker 3>But you see fractured pieces of mastodon ivory, which is

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<v Speaker 3>totally different than the mammoth ivory. The teeth are different.

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<v Speaker 3>Were a mastadn its main diet is woody shrub bushes

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff, and a mammoth is a hate eater, so

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<v Speaker 3>they have flat, flat molars, so it's it is really

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<v Speaker 3>unique to be able to do that. So, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>we need volunteers. Just kind of kind of watch my Instagram, Facebook, whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll probably put up some kind of notice.

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<v Speaker 1>So see what I want you to do is plug.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to plug that because I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to plug your other volunteer proser. Okay, so everybody

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<v Speaker 1>ignore what he just said because I think the other

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<v Speaker 1>one's more important.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh it is to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, yeah, let me do one last thing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>one last news item.

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<v Speaker 3>But we still need ham. It's got to be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll come Kevin.

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<v Speaker 1>This Texas means because we're in Texas. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do one last Texas to Texas news bits Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you're gonna do your deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we got to wrap it up. Okay, yeah, make

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<v Speaker 2>quick because we've got ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, check this one out. We reported it on this before,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to decide the guys surfcasters using drones to drop

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<v Speaker 1>bait like some surf cast and you paddle way out

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<v Speaker 1>and drop your bait when you're trying to get it

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<v Speaker 1>out past like the I can saying by or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So guys started using drones Texas that doesn't like to

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<v Speaker 1>run around band and stuff. Just generally speaking, they're like

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<v Speaker 1>a banning things a verse state, anti banning, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>an anti banning state. They clarified that the use of

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<v Speaker 1>unmanned aircraft systems for fishing will fall under the Federal

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<v Speaker 1>Airborne fall under prohibition under the Federal Airborne Hunting Act.

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<v Speaker 1>They're saying, this is not a new band, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>how they're gonna interpret it going forward. It's a statute

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<v Speaker 1>that's been around since nineteen fifty six. They're saying you

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<v Speaker 1>are not allowed in Texas the way they're in. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not making a new law. They're clarifying how they interpret it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all to you if you're fishing with drones. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all the same thing they're saying. Texas Parks and Wildlife

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<v Speaker 1>Department is saying you can't use a drone for fishing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's now become a thing to do, and they're just

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<v Speaker 2>re clarifying that. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>But they didn't need to go past legislation specifically because

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying it was already illegal. It was already illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>We weren't interpreting at that. We're interpreting it now just

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<v Speaker 1>to clarify it, everybody. You cannot take a drone and

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<v Speaker 1>drop your bait out for sharks past the second sand bar,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the hell you're up to, the last thing we're

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<v Speaker 1>I can spend time on it, but it is Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hit it real quick. It's a real

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<v Speaker 1>obvious one. So much suburban sprawl in areas of Texas

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<v Speaker 1>and urban areas that is creating a hog explosion around

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<v Speaker 1>urban areas. It's the same thing you see with deer,

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like you make areas where you make more

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<v Speaker 1>and more and more and more areas close to hunting,

1:17:51.600 --> 1:17:53.200
<v Speaker 1>and you get more and more landowners like, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know anybody to hunt, but I shouldn't want all

1:17:55.040 --> 1:17:57.240
<v Speaker 1>these pigs running around, or I should. The last thing

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<v Speaker 1>I want is some redneck hunting deer in my yard.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also want Fishing Game Agency to come get

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<v Speaker 1>all their damn deer out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Just it's a story that never stops repeating itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, we have it rampant with deer right now, deer,

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<v Speaker 3>Let a hunter on there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not letting those rednecks on here.

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<v Speaker 3>Get them out of my landscaping.

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<v Speaker 1>We're out of time Okay, you're doing you're involved in

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<v Speaker 1>a habitat restoration project. Yes, hit it clean, hit it clean,

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<v Speaker 1>hit it quick. You need Kevin Murphy needs you.

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<v Speaker 3>I need tree huggers, tree planters, wake boarders, people that

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<v Speaker 3>like to fish. We're going to plant two thousand cypress trees.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, gilt ridden wake borders. I'll take anybody. I

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<v Speaker 3>want to bring people together.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye have a pissed off fishermen and gilt ridden wake

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<v Speaker 1>borders down there fighting.

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<v Speaker 3>So he got two thousand five foot cypress trees that

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to try to get get planted on the

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<v Speaker 3>shore of Lake Barkley. I've been doing this project for

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<v Speaker 3>six year, and during that six year time period, I've

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<v Speaker 3>only been able to plant two thousand. I've got my

1:19:05.120 --> 1:19:09.280
<v Speaker 3>technique down good. Now where you've got the Fishing Game

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<v Speaker 3>Department can take a fishing Game Park's going to come

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<v Speaker 3>and help us. US Corps engineer is going to donate

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<v Speaker 3>some money to help us out, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's your lifetime goal? You want to do? How

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<v Speaker 2>many miles the shoreline?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do twenty two miles the north shore

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<v Speaker 3>of Lake Barkley. The shoreline of the Cumberland River. It

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<v Speaker 3>takes a beating from the north wind in the wintertime

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<v Speaker 3>when the lakepool comes down. Summer pool is three sixty

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<v Speaker 3>winter pool is three fifty four. So we have this

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<v Speaker 3>long mudflat in there that we used to be covered

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<v Speaker 3>with button bush. But due to the core of engineers

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<v Speaker 3>changing the plan of the drawground it, it has flooded

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<v Speaker 3>all the button bush back. So cypress trees they can

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<v Speaker 3>tolerate water. They do not like all your they tolerate. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>all the cover the croppy habitat is gone. So I

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<v Speaker 3>am my My goal in life is to get this started,

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<v Speaker 3>which already have.

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<v Speaker 2>How many miles have you done so far?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably about two miles. I've got another twenty to go.

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<v Speaker 3>But I've upped it. I've learned how to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>In the beginning we use some larger trees and took

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<v Speaker 3>bigger hose. They didn't stand up very well. Now we

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<v Speaker 3>use a slender like I said, it's a I think

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<v Speaker 3>a three year old tree. It'll be about as big

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<v Speaker 3>around as your thumb, like a whist and we want

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<v Speaker 3>them high enough that they can take that water elevation there.

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<v Speaker 3>The water when it comes up, we have learned to

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<v Speaker 3>stake them. We drive a wooden steak in the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>we give them a fertilizer pellet time to the steak,

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<v Speaker 3>and we flag them with flagging tape. Do a real

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<v Speaker 3>dense planning there, maybe from from this wall to this

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<v Speaker 3>wall along the shoreline. So we have instant infrastructure for

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<v Speaker 3>crappie fishing in the springtime because it's just immediately there

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<v Speaker 3>with the wooden the hardwood steaks, they last. And we

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<v Speaker 3>did that for the first time that away. Last year.

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<v Speaker 3>I was able to put in a huge amount of

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<v Speaker 3>trees in a in a short one side of Devonport

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<v Speaker 3>Bay is where we're going to be. We were on

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<v Speaker 3>the east side last year. We're going to be on

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<v Speaker 3>the west side this year. And then Uh, in those

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<v Speaker 3>rocky areas we only plant trees about ever ten steps

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<v Speaker 3>or so because it's just too hard to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're going to have a continuous from edible ferry

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<v Speaker 3>down to nickel brains.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did volunteers find you?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, just watch my instagram tell what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin Murphy at Small Game Nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Murphy at Small Game Nation. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>help Kevin start planting cypress trees. To do you habitat restoration,

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<v Speaker 1>get a hold of him and help them out. And

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<v Speaker 1>here's a trivia one for you. What is the number

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<v Speaker 1>one problem? Number one killer of Kevin?

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<v Speaker 5>Cypress trees, wake borders, recreationalists, No something we all love.

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<v Speaker 5>Number one killer turkeys. No, wait till dear, he says,

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<v Speaker 5>they want to rub their antlers on them.

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<v Speaker 2>They kill them all. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got forty percent survival from bucks coming out there

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<v Speaker 1>and rubbing on.

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<v Speaker 3>Them that you would maybe think beaver or something, but that.

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<v Speaker 3>But the most detrimental thing is a little scrawny ass

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<v Speaker 3>white tail buck once coming there and beat up on

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<v Speaker 3>my side.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he says, said, they're real limbers. So they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like because the trees thrashing all around it, they

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<v Speaker 1>look like a tough guy. Kevin, you're a squirrel man,

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<v Speaker 1>a dog man, and now you're a tree man, treemn cipressman.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you put tubes on them?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that it wouldn't help. I don't know. We

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<v Speaker 3>might try that. This year we went to a smaller tree.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the larger trees that we had like almost

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<v Speaker 3>you know, inch and a half two inches, So we've

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<v Speaker 3>used them the whip trees now with the steak, so

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully they're dense enough that then they'll stay at of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe like little land mines and poison fellas.

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<v Speaker 3>But there again, you know we don't have the brows

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<v Speaker 3>and 'l bel like, well, just throw that out there

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<v Speaker 3>to get your piece of fruitcake here, I've got it

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<v Speaker 3>all sliced.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't eaten anything yet today. We've been running hard.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had a great time with you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, Dude, Kevin, give me a give me a handshake, man,

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<v Speaker 1>every time I learned a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Kevin.

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<v Speaker 3>Able to take a cat two decades under my age bracket,

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<v Speaker 3>so I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait till see what you do with that hog.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're gonna make sausage. It's my team. I've got

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<v Speaker 3>to take a small portion of it, grind it up,

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<v Speaker 3>test it, and see if it's going to turn out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wish you good luck cooking your hog. I

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<v Speaker 1>mainly wish you good luck getting your trees in. Man, Lotus,

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<v Speaker 1>you get that twenty two miles done, that'd be cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Before you die. Oh when he dies, I get his hat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is so that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is that hat? All right? Buddy? Thanks? Why I

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<v Speaker 2>thank you