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Speaker 1: watched our Africa series The Professional Hunter. I'm hunting with

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Speaker 1: Morgan Potter. Morgan Potter and I are doing a public

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Speaker 1: event at the Safari Club International Convention in Nashville. This

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Speaker 1: is happening on February nineteenth, Nashville people. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do a meet and greet at the Robin Hurt Safaris

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Speaker 1: doing our actual event at two o'clock in the Omni Ballroom.

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Speaker 1: After the event, I'll sign any kind of books or

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Speaker 1: take any pictures if anyone wants to do that. What

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Speaker 1: To go to the event. To go to the convention,

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Speaker 1: to see you guys there. February nineteenth in Nashville. This

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Speaker 1: everybody's favorite Kentuckian, the Madman from the L B L.

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Speaker 3: At the Clarks River Bottoms.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Murphy. Don't forget that. Cheers, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy joining us here in South Texas, sitting with

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Speaker 1: a fruitcake in front of them.

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Speaker 3: Fruitcake made by my master gun smith and duck dig

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Speaker 3: duck call maker Hambone. His daughter made that. That's a

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Speaker 1: So so your buddy hamdbone makes fixes guns, makes fruitcake.

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Speaker 1: His daughter makes fruitcakes, and he makes duck.

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Speaker 3: Calls Hambone can do anything. He is a old film mechanics,

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Speaker 1: He made the metal red duck calls metal read. He's

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Speaker 2: Where's the what one? Hamdbone? Made this?

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Speaker 1: I call it the f FD design.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to explain what that to the audience?

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Speaker 2: I tuned it. I tuned it to my liking.

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Speaker 2: I wish I should go get mine liking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let me see that sounds good.

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Speaker 2: H too much air?

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Speaker 2: That's good. God.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got a metal read in it. Handbone made that. Yes, Okay, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: I want you and I want you to pitch your

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Speaker 1: the war against dudes that wait like wakeboarding.

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Speaker 2: Uh, It's it's fine to call it like it is. Dude,

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Speaker 1: This is what I call it, your wake boat. Your

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Speaker 2: Let's call it like it is.

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Speaker 3: Now, it's more than that. It's it's the it's worse

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just let's call it like it is.

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Speaker 1: I probably got dear friends, you know, like when you

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Speaker 1: No, he goes back to he goes back to Minnesota

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to blame those guys.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna wage war on stand up

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Speaker 1: My only grape with them was I don't when people

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Speaker 2: I use them every while. You've never paddle No, so

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Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen. Okay, there were eight thousand, seven hundred

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Speaker 1: Anyways, we're launching when the new news show launches, we're

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Speaker 2: From our most recent episode. What was this one called?

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Speaker 2: All year long.

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Speaker 1: And some smart alec thinks he's got a correction.

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Speaker 2: He looks up.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Seth explain why I'm gonna correct his correction.

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Speaker 1: When they're prime, when they're so correction in your face, buddy,

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Speaker 2: Corrected? Correction? That's one I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Then I win something I win, We give him a prize,

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Speaker 3: I know the saying.

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Speaker 2: Good luck on future screw ups. Wow, man, this guy

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Speaker 2: So in your face, buddy on prize withdrawn, prize revoked.

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Speaker 1: Joined today by Seth Morris, County, Max Barta, and Chili

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Speaker 1: Pecante not Chili Pecan. Here's a real correction. This is

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Speaker 1: it's he's right. Comes in from Texas Parks and Wildlife

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Speaker 1: We've been sitting on this one because I wanted to

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Speaker 2: Okay, common law.

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Speaker 1: In Texas, you would have to secure permission from that neighbor,

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Speaker 2: Can bring your dog with you too. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: That might be a good step to take.

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Speaker 3: the like at the gas station. They've got the deer

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00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: in the back of the of the truck and they're

440
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: taking pictures and stuff of it. They see it. Then

441
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 3: they get the game warning involved, and then that's when

442
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 3: they find out that in Kentucky there's no you've got

443
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 3: to have landover and permission. When that deer goes over

444
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 3: there and dies, it becomes that landowners deer got in Kentucky.

445
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: So what wound up happening.

446
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: Every game is deer back.

447
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: I think eventually got his deer back because the outs anyways,

448
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: it's like, man.

449
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: Picture the world in which you'd have it stuff down

450
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 1: the wall and be like, oh sweet, where'd you get

451
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: that buck? Well, the neighbor kid got it, but I

452
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 1: took it from them.

453
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dudes pour in from out of state here

454
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: in Kentucky now, and they pay absorbit at prices for

455
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: land into like three or four thousand dollars a weekend

456
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 3: to hunt to shoot a one twenty five light tail,

457
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 3: and they do not want to go home without something

458
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 3: that all the money that they've invested feeding deer. I

459
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: worked on a project over in Critney County, and I

460
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 3: was amazed that come in August September, all the trucks

461
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 3: from out of state that would come in with just

462
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: a damn pickup load of deer feed and deer feeders

463
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: on our start feeding the deer and doing that. So

464
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: it's a huge industry in Kentucky that everybody is like,

465
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: it's under the radar. Nobody wants to talk about it.

466
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: Nothing worse than a dude hunting out of his own states.

467
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: You can't see that. You should be illegal. You can't

468
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: see it.

469
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: That tell you that straight from Texas. Oh guy had

470
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: this a little bit just to circle back on this

471
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: skunk situation. Then we're gonna put the skunk situation to bed.

472
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: This is I think this is a wives tale. Say

473
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: water witching. Kevin and I had a long argument. Kevin

474
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: believes the water witching.

475
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 3: I do.

476
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: I do not.

477
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: My friend David Johnson, he is a supreme water witcher.

478
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: Don't don't take the bait he's going to be on.

479
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: You're taking the bait. I was trying to rage bait. Yeah,

480
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: how fast you watched the guy of water witch.

481
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 3: He's written several Me and him. We went out there

482
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 3: and there's zones of concentration, got them zones of concentration,

483
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: and that's where are the first American hunters, the first Americans,

484
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: they would build their camp sites a lot of times

485
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: on zones of concentrated water. Sure underground, not great.

486
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: They have to do with water witching.

487
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: He can once he finds goes out in that like

488
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: the mega complex that we're working on. He went in

489
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: and water witched it. And that's where we're concentrating our digs.

490
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: And that's where we found the bottom tusk of a

491
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: mastodon in the shape of a penis.

492
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: I can't argue that, dude. I tell you, I believe

493
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: everything everybody tells me. So now until someone tells me

494
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: it's fake, I'm gonna tell him it's real. Craig you

495
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: know what Craig saying. Craig Clay. Clay don't like any

496
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: kind of thing that has to do with sorcery, you know,

497
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: so he don't like it when you call it witching.

498
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: I was telling you this he calls a thousand because

499
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 1: he thinks witching makes it seem like a black art,

500
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: a dark art. Anyhow, Skunks guy writes in to say this.

501
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: This is a correction. It's a hot tip, he says.

502
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: My dad traps skunks during World War Two for the government.

503
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: He'd sell them to the government, he says, to make

504
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: parka hoods eh that could be true. They had a

505
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: skin and shed off the barn, and they'd have a

506
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: fire burning and a barrel. It would throw a wet

507
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: slice of this is I'm gonna read this verbatim because

508
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: he's got some clever punctuation in here, which is proper.

509
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: He says, and would throw a wet slice of I'm

510
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: pretty sure alfalfa hay on the fire to make it smoky,

511
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: continuing the quote, that would kill the skunk, smell in

512
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: the skin, and shed off the equipment as well as

513
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: the skins.

514
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it would.

515
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 5: Mass the central it would complexify the odor, Yeah, I would.

516
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: I think it would complexify the odor. I don't know

517
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: that it would neutral the odor.

518
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 6: We're just mixing different smells together.

519
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: It smells, that's all you really don't. There's some good.

520
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, the lower was tomato juice.

521
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: Now the hot money, and I think it's legit. The

522
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: hot money is like hydrogen peroxide, don dish detergent, and

523
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: there's a third and bacon soda, and you make a

524
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: frothy shampoo and skunk trappers. When they get one, it'll spray.

525
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: You'll legit. They'll make up that little concoction. I've tried it,

526
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: and I thought it was like it didn't eradicate the smell.

527
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: But they'll make up that concoction and no joke. Give

528
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: that skunk a little bath and it's frothy. You scrub

529
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: them down in it interesting.

530
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: So.

531
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: Well, maybe you should try that, same as marriage.

532
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 4: I got sprayed by skunk one time and just left

533
00:29:52,720 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 4: my clothes outside for months. Yeah, so I just went away.

534
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: I had a guy telling me a story. You might

535
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: have been there when he told us the story. He

536
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: threw some clothes out in the yard because it got

537
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: sprayed by a skunk and waited so long that the

538
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: upward facing part of the clothes had begun to bleach,

539
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: so that he said, when he lifted it up, you

540
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: could tell the.

541
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: Parts of the clumpered up, crumpled up clothes.

542
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: You could tell the parts that had got sun bleach

543
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: and the parts that hadn't, because it got like a

544
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: tie die appearance to it. And he said he smelled

545
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: that some of a bitch and still smelled like skunk. Oh, really,

546
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: it's what he said. It's what he said.

547
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: I've got a good skunk story.

548
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: Please be sure you do with all your dogs.

549
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: It's probably like nineteen eighty seventy nine, maybe eighty one.

550
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: Furt prices was up pretty high, and everybody was trapping

551
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: and had some kind of mongrel dog and stuff. And

552
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: I had a dog named Artie, and we'd go out

553
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: at night and you could get six dollars for a

554
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: big possum then. So we had got out one night

555
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: and roamed around and he loved to catch a skunk

556
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: and he'd got into the skunk. And I come back

557
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: home and it was probably like eleven thirty twelve o'clock

558
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: at night. I'm creeping in the door open up the door.

559
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: I'm still living with my mom and dad, and we

560
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: got a pretty good sized house and they're on the

561
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: like very back end, and like I know, more than

562
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: get like ten feet in the house there, and my

563
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: dad's screaming at me to tell me to take my

564
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: clothes off that he can smell that skunk on me.

565
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: I go back outside, strip my clothes off, and go

566
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: in and take a shyer. But I mean, it was

567
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: that quick. As soon as I hit the door, they

568
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: got in the back of the house. They can smell that.

569
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 4: It is.

570
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: It is just I have immense respect for that solution.

571
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: That liquid in a skunk.

572
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: That I mean, I don't think that a human could make.

573
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't think in a lab you could make as

574
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: pugnacious or resilient of an odor in a laboratory.

575
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: That stuff too.

576
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: Like when you smell skunk at a one hundred yards,

577
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 4: it smells like skunk, but when you really get in there.

578
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: It turns into something different.

579
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: My dream is to get real mad at someone and

580
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: skunk them. Well, I just want to take a hypodermic

581
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: needle of skunk and just give a little and put

582
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: that inject it into their car seat.

583
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: Oh god, cause you know.

584
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: Can you imagine they would look and look and look,

585
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: you could find it, right, it would never stop looking

586
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: and they'd never find it.

587
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: What's that liquid even called skunk scent?

588
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: Well, if you went to buy it, if you went

589
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: to buy it, you'd be buying some skunk. Okay, Right now,

590
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm making a thing called I'm not in the market.

591
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: Well I am.

592
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: We've had it, Well, we've get we sold it in

593
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 1: the auction house of bodities.

594
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: What did it go for? I don't remember.

595
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm making a thing right now called the Nelson formula.

596
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: It's a it's a kyote bait formula I'm making. And

597
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: the first step is you grind bob kept meat and

598
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: you put it out to taint. You put a taint

599
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: on it. Chili thought it. Chili literally put his taint

600
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: on it, not realizing that what I meant was you

601
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: put it.

602
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: He thought it was. When I said we're gonna put

603
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: a taint on it, I'm just out there spreading agle.

604
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: Turn.

605
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: I said, no, no, Chili, well, we were going to

606
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: ride it ever so slightly.

607
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: Were not gonna put it. We're gonna let it taint.

608
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: We're not gonna put a good in this shift bad

609
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: judgment right there. But that's the guy. He's quick.

610
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: You know, you tell me somebody doesn't. I'm putting a

611
00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: taint on it, right. This is part of a broader project.

612
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: This is part of a book. This is part of

613
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: a book project. I'm beginning about the history of and

614
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: characters involved in the American fur trade through time, right

615
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: since the beginning of time. When they established Manhattan, it

616
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: was a beaver. They established Manhattan. It was like a

617
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: beaver trading outpost.

618
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: Right.

619
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: So as part of this thing that's like a fun

620
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: little bit, I'm making this very famous bait formula called

621
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: the Nelson formula. Step one is you take some bobcat meat,

622
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: chunk it up or grind it down, and then rode

623
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: it in your garage for a long time. You take

624
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: a glass jar philip, glass gallon jar Philip two thirds

625
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: full and start ritting it down. Dardelle's making my daughter

626
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: and her friends smell it. They want me to make

627
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: oh Yanni's daughter, Mabel and Rosie. They wanted me to

628
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: make smash burgers for dinner. And I told him I

629
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: was gonna make cat smash burgers out of that burger

630
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: spake of smellad my daughter, do she want to go

631
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: near that jar?

632
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: And behind his daughter's stuck her?

633
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: What else is in the bait? So then once you

634
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: get you make a solution. So you make you grind

635
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: up the cat meat and let it taint. Then you

636
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: make a solution in another jar. And the solution is

637
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: comprised of pure rain, water, fine red fox, piss, valerian root,

638
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,959
Speaker 1: some the other root called like a feeda. Some people

639
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: say it gives you the ships, and some people say

640
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: it cures the ships.

641
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to try it up. Yeah, I want

642
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: to clarify that.

643
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: I ordered something it's hard to find. I'm sure a tincture,

644
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: so it's been a word. I don't like tincture. A

645
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: tincture of this root that goes in there. And in

646
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: the Nelson formula it was real smudge. And I couldn't

647
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: tell if it meant twelve bounces or a half ounce,

648
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: And Mercer Long told me definitely a half ounce.

649
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 2: You wanna put twelve bounces of that stuff in there? Fox?

650
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: So I said, fox, skunk, essence, beaver, caster, vlarian root,

651
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: this other root, what else is in it?

652
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: That's it?

653
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: And I took a bunch of beaver casters and cured

654
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: them in moonshine, so that seeing that I took a

655
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: sip of it, that took me eight hours to get

656
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: that taste out of my mouth.

657
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: I can imagine that moonshine I think he has.

658
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, if someone had it in him to drink the

659
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: hydrome test it to see where.

660
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, if someone had it in him to drink enough

661
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: of that moonshine to get drunk off that beaver caster moonshine,

662
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: I would have a lot of respect for that individual.

663
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might even grow a tail.

664
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: So that's the Nelson Why am I even talking about this?

665
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: The Nelson formula?

666
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: What the hell is I talking about talking about?

667
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: The one part I don't have is the skunk castens.

668
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: I gotta go secure me some skunk casts.

669
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: We've had years where we couldn't get away from.

670
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: Skut I know thicker thin not this year, rich and poor.

671
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of bobcasts, I got two other observations about bobcats.

672
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: Doug Derren.

673
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: Introduced me to my favorite saying he was talking about

674
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: two guys being real good friends, and Doug said they're

675
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: like nuts and a dog. A true friendship would be

676
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: like nuts on a cat. That is a tight true friendship.

677
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: That's real tight.

678
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's a true friendship.

679
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 2: The nuts on a dog. Yeah, they're just always. Yeah,

680
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: the guys that are very close with one another. They're

681
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: not like the bulls that's out here. No nuts on

682
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: the bullet I mean they're friendly.

683
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: Sometimes they separate a little bit, but they always they always.

684
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: Come back to You always find each other.

685
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: Nuts on a cat, Yeah, like nuts on a big

686
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: horn sheet. Like, so they like they're in touch, they're

687
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: in contact. They text now and then they have each

688
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: other's email. But like nuts on a cat, as you're like,

689
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: last thing on Bobcats. How much have we talked about

690
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: this whole Bobcat situation down here podcast?

691
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: No?

692
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: No, no, not so much what we're doing down here.

693
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: But just like I feel like I've been like living,

694
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: I've been like very I got to move away from it.

695
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: I've been too obsessed with Bobcats lately. It's starting to

696
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: interfere with my marriage, my professional.

697
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: It's kind of I know, but I got everything we

698
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: can text about, texted about in the last three months

699
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: has been Bobcats.

700
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: After the auction, after the fur auction, I'm setting all,

701
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: I can't go on like I can't till next year. Yeah,

702
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: it's just like it's interfering with my personal life. It's

703
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: interfering with my family, it's interfering.

704
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: With my job. So I should stop sending you trail

705
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:21,479
Speaker 2: can picture.

706
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't want nothing to do with Bobcats after the auction.

707
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: It's just been very interesting to me as we talked

708
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: about that. Like Bobcat, I've always been I'm always interested

709
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: in the fur markets. And as we covered, skunk prices

710
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: are high right now and Bobcat prices are very high

711
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: right now. I've got a very interesting book for you.

712
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring it on this trip, but I

713
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: forgot it. And the title of it is the Bobcat.

714
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: Of North America.

715
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be more and I'll take a look.

716
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: See, you'll glean a lot of information.

717
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: Well I might not. You will I might not. Yeah,

718
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: it goes you want to know why I might not?

719
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 4: I do.

720
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 2: We're good. Let's just check in.

721
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: It's because listen, man, I'm not hacking out. I'm saying

722
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: because it's from nineteen sixty. So that's great. But it's

723
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 1: like it's gonna lack a lot of stuff. Modern coloring data.

724
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: A lot of it's like, so much of what we

725
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: know about how stuff moves.

726
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: Is new.

727
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll give you that that part of it. Yeah,

728
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: but it's based on history and what they knew about

729
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: Bobcats when guys just lived in the village, not abologe,

730
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 3: a guy that maybe made his living from the bounty

731
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 3: on Bobcats. So when money gets involved, people find out

732
00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: how shit works money. How can we catch every damn

733
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: one of them out there?

734
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: That's a bumper sticker on your car, He's got a pro.

735
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: He's got a coal keeps the lights on a bumper

736
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: sticker on his car. Yeah, he's gonna switch that out

737
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: with Well that's true of coal.

738
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: Let's timber. They are first, and we'll do the other

739
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: planets later.

740
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 2: You know. Well that's your Yeah. I don't.

741
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with what you're saying about the money thing,

742
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: but I don't. We need to be this is a

743
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: whole other subject. We need to be all done cutting

744
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: old growth. I don't want to debate it with you.

745
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say much respect for you to sit

746
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: here in debate with some part of it there. I

747
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: used to be like the guy I hated loggers, timber

748
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: cutters and all that.

749
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.

750
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: And then we've got to manage our forest. There's a

751
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 3: place for old growth, and there's a place to manage

752
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: our forest. So we we were able to build nursery

753
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: for all types of animals.

754
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: Listen, man, here's the deal. I'm not even gonna tell

755
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: you I disagree. That's fine. I'm gonna let you say

756
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: that I don't agree.

757
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: You know, some people come into Kentucky and they'll go

758
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: into a forest and they call it old growth and

759
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: it's like one hundred years old. Like he'll be l Yeah,

760
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: they go up there, this is old growth. It's not

761
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: old growth. When they came in to make iron and

762
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: steel up there, they use the forest for fuel. They

763
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 3: made charcoals out of that. The bulls and they cut

764
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: everything down. So the oldest tree up there is probably

765
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: less than one hundred years old.

766
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: That's not old growth.

767
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: That's not old but they classified as old growth. And

768
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: then they petition the keyboard warriors. The one dude in

769
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 3: there that is cranking out fourteen emails a day saying

770
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: save our old growth forest in lbl or whatever forest

771
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: is in Kentucky. It's been already been harvest it's not

772
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: original oat growth forest. Yes, anything original o growth. I'm

773
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 3: one hundred percent let's keep that baby.

774
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I one hundred percent for habitat to make up

775
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: for the fact that we're not using fire like we

776
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: used to use. I'm all for managed forests. There's a

777
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: lot of areas Northern Michigan, well much of Michigan, Michigan's

778
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: Upper Peninsula, Like I could sit here and list places

779
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: all day long that had had much better wildlife habitat

780
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: for native wildlife when they were actively logging. Because you

781
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: need different structures and age growth and all that. I'm

782
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. I am not a hands off guy.

783
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: Most forests are disturbed. They require active management. You're not

784
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: going to put the genie back in the bottle. Mankind

785
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: has already gotten in there and whack things up, and

786
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: mankind can do things to fix things.

787
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: However, and.

788
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: Not to disrespect anyone on the economic injury end of it,

789
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: not to disrespect the walker who's making a living. I

790
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 1: don't think that when it comes to four year, five

791
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: year or four hundred, five hundred, six hundred year old trees,

792
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: at this point, they're more valuable standing there.

793
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I'm a hundred set with you

794
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: on that part. Oh, back to Bobcats, Back to Bobcats.

795
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: You know I'm a I'm a Bobcat guy man. When

796
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 3: I was I got a great some great stories to

797
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: tell you. When I was a kid, that was on

798
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 3: my hit list. And in Kentucky, they didn't become legal

799
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 3: till when the sight these saying come along. They didn't

800
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: become legal toll like ninety one ninety two ish, they

801
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: got off the list. You couldn't hunt them. You could

802
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: hunt them at one time, and then when the Sights

803
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: came along and all that, they took them off and

804
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: they were restricted. But I remember as a kid going

805
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: to Doc mos and Mosley was part of the Manhattan Project.

806
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: He went into Hot Japan right after they dropped him.

807
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: But I remember going to Doc Moseley's office getting a

808
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: shot and ass with some pilling selling for five dollars.

809
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: And I looked up there and he had two like

810
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: kitten bobcats. I mean just little bitty, I mean most

811
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: Bob gets. You see what he's like. Small, But I

812
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: was always intrigued with him. And then I remember one

813
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: day that me and Brookie Wicker we had camped out

814
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: all night and we got up earlier.

815
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: Grillery.

816
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: It's a guy. We h he had a sister named Julie,

817
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: Jennie and uh one more. Remember I could tell you

818
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: another story, but.

819
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: Bobcats g W.

820
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: Terrell said, I put it in layman's turn.

821
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: G W.

822
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: Terrell said that Scott Wicker should have a medal for

823
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: raising good looking women, so you could just read into that.

824
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: So man, Brookie, we camped out all night and we're

825
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: on the edge of Lake Barkley, and we go up

826
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: Poplar Creek and we take our twenty twos. He's got

827
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: a Winchester sixty one blow to his dad's got his

828
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: initials engraved in it. S w somebody with some really

829
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: skill with the engraver, not you. And then I've got

830
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: the Bronco twenty two survival rifle. It's like all middle

831
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: skeleton frame and it flips up. So we go out

832
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: and we're shooting twenty two's, we're killing this, it's killing that.

833
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: And there's this blackbird probably like forty yards wave good

834
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 3: A good, a good piece. I bet you can't shoot

835
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: that right there. And I go up and I take

836
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: the Bronco up and I squeeze off a shot. He said, oh,

837
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 3: you didn't get it. And about that time, the blackbird

838
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: falls out of the tree. We take ten steps and

839
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 3: here comes a bobcat trotting across the road in front

840
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: of us twenty yards, turns and looks at us. We

841
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: got no twenty two shells, so you'll never catch me

842
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: with less than a hundred pack.

843
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: Just threw a gun at it.

844
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: True story, four hundred percent trough. So that I went

845
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: from there and I started running with this guy named

846
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: Jimmy McCoy, and he was obsessed with bobcat hunting, travel

847
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: the whole United States from Maine, Wisconsin, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Oregon,

848
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: you name it bobcat hunting, finding out what he needed

849
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: to know about Bobcatt told me it took him ten

850
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: years before he could he could catch a bobcat on

851
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: his own with hand dogs, with hand dogs in Kentucky

852
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: because we get limited amounts of snow at that time.

853
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: Some of his hunting was like under the radar. So,

854
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: like I said, he's the one that petitioned to get

855
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: the bobcat legal trapper came in a bologist and he

856
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: and he told him everything that he knew about it.

857
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: So in the late eighty nine or so, I started

858
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: hunting with them and learning how they do running dogs.

859
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 3: We might go a whole season and not even catch

860
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 3: one with dogs, yep, and killing.

861
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 6: And then.

862
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: I got a dog from him. I had another squirrel dog,

863
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 3: the original Butchy, and within probably three years I was

864
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: able to catch one on my own with the knowledge

865
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: that I got from him.

866
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: Is that the one you caught sneaking out ahead of.

867
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: The dogs, Uh, Now, that was with him because I

868
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: had his dog pack. The one with they got my

869
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: kid seth And I showed you a picture of hanging

870
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: from a sliprem tree. Yep, that's the one that was

871
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: my first one. Let's see, that's the first one. I

872
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: truly I ambushed some with some dogs, like road hunt

873
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: down the road and they would push like a young

874
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 3: kitten up a tree and just go in and shoot it.

875
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: But I intentionally turned loose on that big boy twenty

876
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 3: four pounds and caught him with the dogs.

877
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: Got it, got it right? Now?

878
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: Casts are real hot. This is kind of part of

879
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: this whole deal I'm wanting to talk about.

880
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: With cats.

881
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: Cat prices are very high, so it's just got me

882
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: interested in like this whole range of cats. So we're

883
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: down here in South Texas and we just got some

884
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: cats down here in South Texas predator calling for cats,

885
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: and we caught some cats up in Montana. These are

886
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: very very different extremes. Casts up in Montana are much bigger,

887
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: thicker fur. Cast down in Texas are slender, lighter, thinner fur.

888
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: But what makes a cat valuable or not is whether

889
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: or not it has a white belly with clean black

890
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: spots Texas casts in South Texas and cats in Montana

891
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: have white bellies and black spots, so they're of value.

892
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: Just for a point of reference, when I was actually

893
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: when I actually sold fur and would trap and sell

894
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: fur in Michigan, growing up at a point in time

895
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: when the red fox was worth forty bucks, a bobcat

896
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: was worth fifteen dollars. Because those bobcats out there aren't

897
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: valuable because they don't have white bellies and black spots.

898
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: They're not a spot, they're not nicely spotted. But right now,

899
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: cat prices are crazy. Cats are consistently averaging more than

900
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: five hundred bucks in the West right now, and there's

901
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: some collections of cats selling at eight hundred bucks apiece. Okay,

902
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: other poor areas of cats. Cats are running one to

903
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars. So Seth and I are making a

904
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: video call. It's gonna be called Steven Seth get Rich,

905
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: and we're taking some Montana cats and some Texas cats,

906
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: and we're going to a famous bobcat auction, one of

907
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: the top bobcat auctions in the country. I'm not saying

908
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: where we're going. We're going to one of the top

909
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: bobcat auctions in the country. Seth can't goacas. His wife's

910
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: having a baby's being a baby about it.

911
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: You and I are going. Me and Max are going, yeah,

912
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: thanks for stepping in.

913
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: Me and Max are going to the auction and we're

914
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 1: gonna auction off Texas cats and Montana cats. We're gonna

915
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: do a video we're explaining the cat market, and then

916
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna interview one of the top bobcat buyers. We're

917
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: gonna go to one of the top cat auctions in

918
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: the country and interview one of the top cat buyers

919
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: in the country and interview one of the top cat

920
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: trappers in the country. And it's gonna be called Steven

921
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: South get Rich, and we're taking all of our wealth

922
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: from this sale, and we're putting it and dissess unborn

923
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: baby virgils bank account, bank account, college account.

924
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: I don't want him blowing it on cigarettes.

925
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: Are you gonna ear market for his education or comparable

926
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be college, but or comparable.

927
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, education, further education or if he wants to start

928
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 4: a business or whatever after after high.

929
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: School, he wants to learn how to weld pipe, he

930
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: use it for that whatever. It's very nice to use

931
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: Steve to contribute that. Very nice.

932
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: My own children very unhappy about this development. They ever

933
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: heard me talking about it?

934
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: Uh, that's what. That's what.

935
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: So anyways, we got some cats down here in Texas.

936
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: We've been predator calling cats I to date have called

937
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: in in my lifetime have predator called in during daylight

938
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: hours at this point now a total of eight.

939
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: That I know about, mm hmm, called down here, all

940
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: in Texas. All in Texas. I never called in a

941
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 2: cat in the North.

942
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you can't call for them in Montana. You

943
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 5: can't use an electronic caller that Yeah, you can't use

944
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 5: it his mouth bloone call.

945
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 4: We we one time called a cat in by accident

946
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania calling kyotes.

947
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just called him in Turkey hunting. But I've

948
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: called him. But I'm not kind.

949
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking like intent call, like intent to call.

950
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: Well, just this trip four four and the four last

951
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: time I tried it? Hm, what about the one that

952
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: you ended up shooting last nime was one of the four?

953
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: Ye I've laid eyes on and try while trying to

954
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: call bobcats in daylight hours, I've called in eight.

955
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: Do you find there's a sweet spot in the day

956
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: I have?

957
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: I can't make that call on it. Yeah, I'll tell

958
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: you what I haven't done after. What I haven't done

959
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: yet is called when at daybreak? Well, part of a

960
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: pet theory of mine. Go ahead, I was gonna say

961
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: on on day one, the two cats that you killed

962
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: was the last stand in the morning and the first

963
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: stand in the afternoon.

964
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like and then the cat that I

965
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: killed the next day was the mid morning. It was

966
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: the later stand in the day.

967
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: And Mercer Long, who's called in a great many cats,

968
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: Mercer Long was saying to me, it's amazing how many

969
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: you call in at noon. You know what winds up

970
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: being It's almost like it's like when you review in

971
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: your head. The turkeys that you get, not the turkeys

972
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: you try to get. But the turkeys have just come

973
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: in hard banker's hours.

974
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: Ye. But guess what, you're still going right at the

975
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: ass crack of down. You're still up there at Don. Yep,

976
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: you're still up there at Don. Yeah.

977
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: I think there's something about that. I don't know, Like

978
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: this is like a pet theory of mine. I don't

979
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: really know. A bobcat comes in with a very different

980
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: attitude than a coyote at daybreak. You call in a

981
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: lot of coyotes, I don't know, and a cat comes

982
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: in pretty paranoid. Maybe there's something like they don't want.

983
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: To wrestle around the kyote or something. I don't know.

984
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

985
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't like Maybe maybe there's something to do

986
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: with cows. There's a thing too with rattling deer, Like

987
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: when you rattle bucks down here, you rattle more bucks

988
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: down here midday than early morning.

989
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: I feel. Do you not feel that way?

990
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 4: The mornings are more productive for rattling. I think here

991
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 4: daybreak like daybreak up until you quit midday, and the

992
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 4: evenings evenings are not as productive.

993
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say there is. I always felt

994
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: that bucks are bored late morning, Yeah, not bored. They're

995
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: not chasing, their dos are betted down. And he's more like, yeah,

996
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: I walk over and take a look. It's like if

997
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: creeping in on a bowl, like creeping in a bowl

998
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: where like a bowl with a bunch of batted cows.

999
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: You creep in on him, and like late morning, mid day,

1000
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: I feel he's more he's gonna he's like more likely

1001
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: to come have a look than he is when his

1002
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: cows are on the move. And he's like, I'm like,

1003
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: I gotta pay attention over here. I can't get up,

1004
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: but like late morning, he might be like, ye, I'll

1005
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: go take a look. Everybody's kind of chill holding still.

1006
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: I might go have a looxie. H A starty just

1007
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: came out. You're gonna pay attention, as Kevin. That puts

1008
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: cats to bad, right, Stay tuned for our video. Yeah,

1009
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 1: Steven Seth get.

1010
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 3: Rich and Bobcats in North America facts.

1011
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: Yep, we're also making a video. It's pretty much done.

1012
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: Is it's called armorganzers really as bad as everyone says.

1013
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: But here's a study that just came out. They ranked

1014
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: monogamy of dozens of mammals, including humans. Humans are less

1015
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: monogamous than some mice, but are more monogamous than some

1016
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: breeds of sheep. This is out of Cambridge University. All

1017
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: it looks at is it looks at full versus half

1018
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: siblings in a rage of mammals. You following me full

1019
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: versus half siblings. Species and societies with higher levels of

1020
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: monogamy are likely to produce more siblings that share both parents,

1021
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: while those with more polygamous or promiscuous mating partners are

1022
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: likely to see more half siblings.

1023
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 3: Is that based on collared specimens?

1024
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: No, okay, it's genetics right when it comes to our

1025
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: level of monogamy, human monogamy. When it comes to our

1026
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: level of monogamy, we're in there with meer cats and beavers.

1027
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: Oh great, We're in there with meerkats and beavers. And

1028
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: they're even going back in time. They're able to go

1029
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: back to Bronze Age burial grounds in Europe, Neolithic sites,

1030
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: and Anatolia. Ethnographic data from ninety four human societies around

1031
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: the world, from Tanzania and hunter gatherers to rice farming

1032
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: cultures in Indonesia. Okay, a wide swath of human cultures.

1033
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: You want to know what the most monogamous critter is

1034
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: out there? One of the most monogamous mammal Take a guess,

1035
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: I got.

1036
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: No, no is.

1037
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: The California deer mouse. They are strict, strict, strict monogamy.

1038
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: African wild dogs, very monogamous, mole rats, very monogamous, Ethiopian wolves,

1039
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: very monogamous, Eurasian beavers. So the California deer mouse has

1040
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: a one hundred okay top rating one hundred highest, one

1041
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: hundred Ethiopian wolves commit out of seventy six point five,

1042
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: the Eurasian beaver seventy two nine, humans sixty six, and

1043
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: then a mere cat and a gibbon. We're kind of

1044
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: like them, gray wolves, less monoque, significantly less magnogamous than us.

1045
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if they keep going.

1046
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: Very low monogamy eighteen what's the lowest? I don't know,

1047
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: faral cats, Yeah, but no, here we're getting down. Oh jeez,

1048
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: the Antarctic fur seal. Dude, they don't give a care.

1049
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: Two point nine er killer whales don't care.

1050
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: Imagine white tails don't care.

1051
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, killer whales skirt chasers, yeah. Three point three the

1052
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: Savannah baboon doesn't care, chimpsund open door policy, Gorilla's open

1053
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: door policy, ditch cougars, faral cats sixteen.

1054
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 5: I wonder so, like some of the higher rating, some

1055
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 5: of the higher ratings, are they measuring, like what if

1056
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 5: like their partner dies? That's all, yeah, because that would

1057
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 5: be like is that how they're doing the study or

1058
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 5: it's just it's.

1059
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: Just siblings and half siblings.

1060
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you get into like if you get

1061
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: into the like the the California deer mouse, a collection

1062
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: of progeny, all their parents same two parents, right, yep,

1063
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean I got all kind of half brothers and sisters, right,

1064
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: so I'd throw the whole thing off.

1065
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: Here's you want some squirrel news, Kevin.

1066
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 3: I'm ready for some squirrel news. Hit me.

1067
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: Okay, this is from the Economist. I didn't know this

1068
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,439
Speaker 1: in Britain. I was making a joke there, two body

1069
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: mine in California. We're talking about like Britain is trying

1070
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: to ban pretending to fox h jeez, Like they banned

1071
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: fox hunts. So then these dudes get where they take

1072
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: a doll basically and put fox order and drag that

1073
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: around and they pretend to fox hunt. But now and

1074
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: then they'll be all pretending to fox hunt and the

1075
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: dogs start chasing the real fox that are trying to

1076
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: ban pretending to fox hunt. My buddy in California, I said,

1077
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: Britain is like the world's California.

1078
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: He laughed. But this is nothing to do with that.

1079
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: So Britain has a pine squirrel, or they called a

1080
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: red squirrel. They got a little shit in red squirrel.

1081
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know this. They have invasive gray squirrels. Now,

1082
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: as I've talked about many times, I was raised to

1083
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: believe that pines red squirrels bite the nuts off gray

1084
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: squirrels and make the munichs.

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Speaker 2: Is there any truth to that, Kevin? No, it's a

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01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: wives tale. It's like it's like witch and water. He said,

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01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: you believed in it. It's untrue.

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Speaker 3: Now the gray squirrel are really impacted England.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea.

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01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: They now have estimated two point five million invasive gray

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01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: squirrels in England and their native squirrel numbers are down

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01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: to thirty nine thousand. They've got a thing they found

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01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: that they gotta they got a thing they've identified how

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01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to curb this. They found that gray

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01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: squirrels have a real hunger for hazelnut butter.

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01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: They've poisoning the hazel lot butter.

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01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: They've established a red squirrel recovery network. This is this

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Speaker 1: is researchers within the government's Animal, Plant and Health Agency.

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Speaker 1: They're loading you know, because it's Britain, so they're not

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01:03:52,760 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: gonna put poison in it. They're loading it with contraceptives. Okay,

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01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: this is like when this is when like, uh, this

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01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: is what happens when when ecology restoration of native species

1103
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: habitat work runs up against like radical animal rights elements,

1104
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: when you have to start talking about that you're gonna

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01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: use contraceptives. It's like with the wild horse problem. You

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01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: can't talk about killing them. There are are something Well,

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01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: maybe we can give them contraceptives and we'll have to

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01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: catch everyone and give it an update every six months

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01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: to make sure it doesn't have any babies. So they

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01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: have this contraceptive bait and they have their developing a

1111
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: feeder that the squirrel has to have a certain mass.

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01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: It has a certain weight in order to get into

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01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: the freezer. So ninety percent of adult gray squirrels are

1114
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: heavy enough to activate it to get the bait. A

1115
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: red squirrel he tries to go eat the contraceptive. You

1116
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: can't get the bait. Previously, they've focused their efforts on

1117
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: coling gray squirrels, where they say it's been expensive.

1118
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 2: I can only imagine physically colling.

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01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm guessing they don't mean like, not physically, but I'm

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01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: guess they mean not through poison campaigns, but through shooting them.

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01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: And granted I get the poison thing you could have.

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01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, I get it.

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01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: You could have stuff getting in there and then you

1124
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: got toxins laying around. I had no idea, Kevin, you

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01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: and your dogs can maybe go raise.

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01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: Hell over there.

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01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 3: You know, I have a few people on Instagram and

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01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 3: they'll send me occasional picture of them going on a

1129
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 3: squirrel hunt. I just recently got one from my family

1130
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: and they had a young son and he had Agent doll,

1131
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 3: four or five gray squirrels, had the the uh. His

1132
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 3: daughter had a Red Rider BB gun. They hunted there

1133
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 3: and I asked him and says, hey, just tell me

1134
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 3: a little bit about your farm over there, says how

1135
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: hard is to get one? He says, we can get

1136
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 3: a shotgun pretty easy, No, not much hassle. But he

1137
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 3: says to get a rifle like five years to get one,

1138
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 3: and he said, you've got to have a specific purpose,

1139
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: probably on some land before you can get get a rifle.

1140
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 3: Shotguns pretty easy. But yeah, I have a few people

1141
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 3: send me stuff from over there on the grey squirrels

1142
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 3: going out.

1143
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of anybody over there squirrel dogging?

1144
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 3: They had a dog. I don't know if it actually treed,

1145
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 3: but it helped helped them into the hunting and some

1146
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 3: of the hunt clubs they organize hunts now to go

1147
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: out and they do that polling thing and they'll go

1148
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 3: in and harvest a big bunch of squirrels.

1149
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: Yep, here's a good one. This is from the journal Nature.

1150
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: This takes a little bit of background. So in the

1151
01:06:54,160 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: Journal Nature of these researchers they're working in South Africa, Okay,

1152
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: have found arrowheads stone arrowheads that they have dated to

1153
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: sixty thousand years that contain plant toxins. Let's back up.

1154
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: What are you guys all staring at.

1155
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking at cameras making sure they're rolling ful phill.

1156
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 2: I thought maybe it was time we had to leave.

1157
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 2: Well we're getting there. Yeah, Well give me an air.

1158
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: You can't age, so someone should go read this, because

1159
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: you can't age a stone point you have to you

1160
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: can only age it by context, like you can't take

1161
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: Dike Kevin's give.

1162
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 3: Me amateur archaeologists here. I just come off, God, no, no,

1163
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 3: you're yes, there are luminess tests. I don't know how

1164
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 3: to work. I don't know how.

1165
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

1166
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: Oh, so you're talking about actually age in the stone.

1167
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 3: Actually ages down some kind of luminescence.

1168
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: The last time I was exposed to sunlight or something.

1169
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 3: Like that, I just found out. I don't know any

1170
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 3: dynamics of that whatsoever. But that's how they age those

1171
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 3: artifacts that don't have carbon fourteen or anything with them.

1172
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So.

1173
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: They're these reasons, and I haven't read the piece. Okay,

1174
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: sixty thousand years and they're finding plant toxins on stone

1175
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: points in South Africa from sixty thousand years ago. When

1176
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: you get into like this idea, the numbers switch. But

1177
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: there's there's this term people use of like anatomically and

1178
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: behaviorally modern humans, meaning if you went and got a

1179
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: human from fifty thousand years ago and kidnapped him and

1180
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: brought them in and raised and took them in a

1181
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: time machine and raised them today he'd be able to

1182
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: like fly an airplane and walk around on the streets

1183
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: and wouldn't look weird.

1184
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 3: Do you think do I think that?

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01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, it's there's like a debate was

1186
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: it like? But it's usually centers around fifty thousand years ago,

1187
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: seventy thousand years ago people were like behaviorally and anatomically

1188
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: modern humans at that time looked would have been dead ringers,

1189
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:22,839
Speaker 1: right for people alive could be like lawyers, pilots, cat trappers,

1190
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 1: the complicated stuff. At that time, you're looking skeptical. This

1191
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: isn't my number.

1192
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 3: I'm just saying this is I'm just thinking, yeah, I'm

1193
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: not saying right or wrong.

1194
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 2: So these guys.

1195
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: Found toxins derived from a plant whose common name is

1196
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: the poison bulb plant, and it's still used by traditional

1197
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: hunters today. When Seth and I were in Africa, some

1198
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: of the trackers, the trackers were poachers that they caught.

1199
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: They catch poachers and some of them they turn them

1200
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: into trackers. Someone you turn them into the police. These

1201
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: guys were telling us when they were kids, thirteen fourteen

1202
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: years old, they were hunting with plant poisons for Kate

1203
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: buffalo with poisons So these are poisons still used today

1204
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: and they're finding traces of them on projectile points from

1205
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: sixty thousand years ago. And it's a complex cooking process

1206
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: to isolate and activate the poison solely weakened spray. It's

1207
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: just interesting. Oh yeah, that dudes might have been that

1208
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: long ago cooking up in South Africa, sixty thousand years ago,

1209
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: which is getting to the point where you can't even

1210
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: comprehend like humans, Like you can throw the number around,

1211
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: but you can't really picture what that means. Sixty thousand

1212
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,839
Speaker 1: years ago, three times longer ago than there were humans

1213
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: at all in the New World. Yes, three times, So

1214
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: you imagine how long ago that was as some dude

1215
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: in America trying to bring, you know, kill a Macedon

1216
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 1: three times longer ago than that dudes in Africa mixing

1217
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: up plant toxins.

1218
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 3: See, I was at the Gault site. It's four hours

1219
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 3: from here, and that's probably the oldest documented inhabited site

1220
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 3: in the US of seven thousand years before Clovis twenty thousand.

1221
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 3: And then I'm digging at a current site in Kentucky

1222
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 3: and our artifacts are dating around fourteen five fifteen thousand.

1223
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: Years ago in association with macedon.

1224
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 3: Maceadons and mamos. One of the few sites in the

1225
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 3: world where you have both species occurrent and this year

1226
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 3: under the zones of concentrated water, we also found a

1227
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 3: piece of what is it the moose elk antler, the

1228
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 3: moose elk. We found a section about that in situ

1229
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 3: in the ground planet at that site.

1230
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 2: So is fossil is it now?

1231
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 3: It's still bod still bone. It was under two meters

1232
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 3: you know, six foot of overfield laying rat on the bedrock.

1233
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: Gotcha hmm, a little section that.

1234
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 3: While it looked like it had been worked by humans,

1235
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 3: you know, it's just this kind of piece that looked like,

1236
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,520
Speaker 3: you know, there's no artwork on it, no defined structure

1237
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 3: you could you know, it's like fifty to fifty Did

1238
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 3: a human use this for some kind of tool? Maybe

1239
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 3: maybe not yep in there, but we have found ivory

1240
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 3: spear points.

1241
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: We found that packer too, that.

1242
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 3: We found the pecker of the lower I didn't even

1243
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 3: not I didn't even know that a masta don had

1244
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 3: a lower tusk, and they're usually eight to twelve inches long.

1245
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 3: The lord peckers set in my hand in there and

1246
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,799
Speaker 3: it was is the shape of it and it was polished.

1247
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1248
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: You look at a lot of times you hear like

1249
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: someone's like, oh it's like a you know, it's like

1250
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: carved into whatever. And you look and you're like, yeah,

1251
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's just luck yea, you know that term

1252
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: of geo fact like it's like a phony. Like you know,

1253
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: it's like you'll find a ricke and you think it's

1254
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: something yeah, and then a guy will be like, that's

1255
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: a geofamily. It was just the earth made it and

1256
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: it resembles a thing that packer is a packer it is.

1257
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 3: And here's a unique opportunity for people. We're gonna have

1258
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 3: a major dig there starting in September through October. We

1259
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 3: need earth movers. You can come out and do some

1260
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 3: real archaeology with a doctor Grambly. He's trained anthropologist, seventy

1261
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 3: nine years old. We've been working that site for four

1262
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 3: years now. There's a lot of history there. It was

1263
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: the last battle of the Revolutionary.

1264
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 2: War, Battle of Blue Licks. Ten Boone's kid was killed there.

1265
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 3: Ten months after the Revolutionary War was over, the British

1266
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 3: were still trying to control the Northwest Territory and they

1267
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 3: ambushed Daniel Boone and his party and like you said,

1268
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 3: his son died in his arm. You can walk down

1269
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 3: to the river and actually see the ford I've been aiming,

1270
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 3: like the way to cross it because it gets pretty low.

1271
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 3: You could ride a horse across it, no problem at all.

1272
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 3: But it's just mesmerizing to be at that site, all

1273
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 3: that history that Daniel Boone and the salt works. They

1274
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 3: were come there to do the salt. The megafauna came

1275
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 3: in there and they habitat it. That that area. You know,

1276
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 3: we've got big bone lick in Kentucky that's been been

1277
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 3: robbed and traumatized from the original settlers that came in

1278
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 3: sent the bones back to England and stuff. They didn't

1279
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 3: know what a mastadon was at that time. But just

1280
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 3: to go down there and dig on something and find that,

1281
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 3: you know, everything we get we have to to give.

1282
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 3: But you see fractured pieces of mastodon ivory, which is

1283
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 3: totally different than the mammoth ivory. The teeth are different.

1284
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 3: Were a mastadn its main diet is woody shrub bushes

1285
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 3: and stuff, and a mammoth is a hate eater, so

1286
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 3: they have flat, flat molars, so it's it is really

1287
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 3: unique to be able to do that. So, like I said,

1288
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 3: we need volunteers. Just kind of kind of watch my Instagram, Facebook, whatever.

1289
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 3: I'll probably put up some kind of notice.

1290
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: So see what I want you to do is plug.

1291
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: I don't want you to plug that because I want

1292
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,799
Speaker 1: you to plug your other volunteer proser. Okay, so everybody

1293
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: ignore what he just said because I think the other

1294
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: one's more important.

1295
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 3: Uh it is to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, let me do one last thing. Okay,

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Speaker 2: one last news item.

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Speaker 3: But we still need ham. It's got to be fine.

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Speaker 2: I'll come Kevin.

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01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: This Texas means because we're in Texas. I want to

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01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: do one last Texas to Texas news bits Okay, and

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01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: then you're gonna do your deal.

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01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 2: Then we got to wrap it up. Okay, yeah, make

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01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 2: quick because we've got ten minutes.

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01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: Okay, check this one out. We reported it on this before,

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01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: trying to decide the guys surfcasters using drones to drop

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01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: bait like some surf cast and you paddle way out

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01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: and drop your bait when you're trying to get it

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01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: out past like the I can saying by or whatever.

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 1: So guys started using drones Texas that doesn't like to

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01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: run around band and stuff. Just generally speaking, they're like

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01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: a banning things a verse state, anti banning, and they're

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01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: an anti banning state. They clarified that the use of

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01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: unmanned aircraft systems for fishing will fall under the Federal

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01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: Airborne fall under prohibition under the Federal Airborne Hunting Act.

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01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: They're saying, this is not a new band, but that's

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01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,919
Speaker 1: how they're gonna interpret it going forward. It's a statute

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01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: that's been around since nineteen fifty six. They're saying you

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01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: are not allowed in Texas the way they're in. They're

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01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: not making a new law. They're clarifying how they interpret it.

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01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: It's all to you if you're fishing with drones. It's

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01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: all the same thing they're saying. Texas Parks and Wildlife

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01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: Department is saying you can't use a drone for fishing.

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01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 2: It's now become a thing to do, and they're just

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01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: re clarifying that. Yep.

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01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: But they didn't need to go past legislation specifically because

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01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: they're saying it was already illegal. It was already illegal.

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01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: We weren't interpreting at that. We're interpreting it now just

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01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: to clarify it, everybody. You cannot take a drone and

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01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: drop your bait out for sharks past the second sand bar,

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01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: whatever the hell you're up to, the last thing we're

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01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: I can spend time on it, but it is Texas.

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01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: I want to hit it real quick. It's a real

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01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: obvious one. So much suburban sprawl in areas of Texas

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01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: and urban areas that is creating a hog explosion around

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01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: urban areas. It's the same thing you see with deer,

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01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: where it's like you make areas where you make more

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01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: and more and more and more areas close to hunting,

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01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: and you get more and more landowners like, well, I

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01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: don't know anybody to hunt, but I shouldn't want all

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01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: these pigs running around, or I should. The last thing

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01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: I want is some redneck hunting deer in my yard.

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01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: But I also want Fishing Game Agency to come get

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01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 1: all their damn deer out of here.

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01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,799
Speaker 1: Just it's a story that never stops repeating itself.

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01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 3: Oh, we have it rampant with deer right now, deer,

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01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 3: Let a hunter on there.

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01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 2: I'm not letting those rednecks on here.

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01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:18,560
Speaker 3: Get them out of my landscaping.

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01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: We're out of time Okay, you're doing you're involved in

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01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: a habitat restoration project. Yes, hit it clean, hit it clean,

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01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: hit it quick. You need Kevin Murphy needs you.

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01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 3: I need tree huggers, tree planters, wake boarders, people that

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01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 3: like to fish. We're going to plant two thousand cypress trees.

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01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, gilt ridden wake borders. I'll take anybody. I

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01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 3: want to bring people together.

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01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: Ye have a pissed off fishermen and gilt ridden wake

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01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: borders down there fighting.

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01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 3: So he got two thousand five foot cypress trees that

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01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 3: we're going to try to get get planted on the

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01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 3: shore of Lake Barkley. I've been doing this project for

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01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 3: six year, and during that six year time period, I've

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01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 3: only been able to plant two thousand. I've got my

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01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 3: technique down good. Now where you've got the Fishing Game

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01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 3: Department can take a fishing Game Park's going to come

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01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 3: and help us. US Corps engineer is going to donate

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01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 3: some money to help us out, and it's going to

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01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 3: be a great time.

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Speaker 2: And what's your lifetime goal? You want to do? How

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Speaker 2: many miles the shoreline?

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Speaker 3: I want to do twenty two miles the north shore

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01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 3: of Lake Barkley. The shoreline of the Cumberland River. It

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01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 3: takes a beating from the north wind in the wintertime

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01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 3: when the lakepool comes down. Summer pool is three sixty

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01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 3: winter pool is three fifty four. So we have this

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01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 3: long mudflat in there that we used to be covered

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01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 3: with button bush. But due to the core of engineers

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01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,759
Speaker 3: changing the plan of the drawground it, it has flooded

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01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 3: all the button bush back. So cypress trees they can

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01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 3: tolerate water. They do not like all your they tolerate. Yes,

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01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 3: all the cover the croppy habitat is gone. So I

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01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 3: am my My goal in life is to get this started,

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01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 3: which already have.

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01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: How many miles have you done so far?

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01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 3: Probably about two miles. I've got another twenty to go.

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01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 3: But I've upped it. I've learned how to do it.

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01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 3: In the beginning we use some larger trees and took

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01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 3: bigger hose. They didn't stand up very well. Now we

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01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 3: use a slender like I said, it's a I think

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01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 3: a three year old tree. It'll be about as big

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01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 3: around as your thumb, like a whist and we want

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01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 3: them high enough that they can take that water elevation there.

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01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:34,560
Speaker 3: The water when it comes up, we have learned to

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01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 3: stake them. We drive a wooden steak in the ground,

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01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 3: we give them a fertilizer pellet time to the steak,

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01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 3: and we flag them with flagging tape. Do a real

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01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 3: dense planning there, maybe from from this wall to this

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01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 3: wall along the shoreline. So we have instant infrastructure for

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01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 3: crappie fishing in the springtime because it's just immediately there

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01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 3: with the wooden the hardwood steaks, they last. And we

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01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 3: did that for the first time that away. Last year.

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01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 3: I was able to put in a huge amount of

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01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,959
Speaker 3: trees in a in a short one side of Devonport

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01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 3: Bay is where we're going to be. We were on

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01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,560
Speaker 3: the east side last year. We're going to be on

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01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 3: the west side this year. And then Uh, in those

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01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 3: rocky areas we only plant trees about ever ten steps

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01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 3: or so because it's just too hard to do it.

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01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 3: But we're going to have a continuous from edible ferry

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01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 3: down to nickel brains.

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01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: So how did volunteers find you?

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01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 3: Uh, just watch my instagram tell what it is.

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01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

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01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 3: Kevin Murphy at Small Game Nation.

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01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy at Small Game Nation. If you want to

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01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: help Kevin start planting cypress trees. To do you habitat restoration,

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01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: get a hold of him and help them out. And

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01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: here's a trivia one for you. What is the number

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01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: one problem? Number one killer of Kevin?

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01:21:54,600 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 5: Cypress trees, wake borders, recreationalists, No something we all love.

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01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 5: Number one killer turkeys. No, wait till dear, he says,

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01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 5: they want to rub their antlers on them.

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01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 2: They kill them all. Yep.

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01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: He's got forty percent survival from bucks coming out there

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01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: and rubbing on.

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01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 3: Them that you would maybe think beaver or something, but that.

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01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 3: But the most detrimental thing is a little scrawny ass

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01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 3: white tail buck once coming there and beat up on

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01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 3: my side.

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01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: Because he says, said, they're real limbers. So they kind

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01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: of like because the trees thrashing all around it, they

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01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: look like a tough guy. Kevin, you're a squirrel man,

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01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: a dog man, and now you're a tree man, treemn cipressman.

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01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 2: Can you put tubes on them?

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01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 3: I think that it wouldn't help. I don't know. We

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01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 3: might try that. This year we went to a smaller tree.

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01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 3: That was the larger trees that we had like almost

1439
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 3: you know, inch and a half two inches, So we've

1440
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 3: used them the whip trees now with the steak, so

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01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 3: hopefully they're dense enough that then they'll stay at of it.

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01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: Maybe like little land mines and poison fellas.

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01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 3: But there again, you know we don't have the brows

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01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 3: and 'l bel like, well, just throw that out there

1445
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 3: to get your piece of fruitcake here, I've got it

1446
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:05,759
Speaker 3: all sliced.

1447
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: I haven't eaten anything yet today. We've been running hard.

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01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 3: So I had a great time with you guys.

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01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: As always, Dude, Kevin, give me a give me a handshake, man,

1450
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: every time I learned a lot.

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01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 2: I love you.

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01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 4: Thanks Kevin.

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01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 3: Able to take a cat two decades under my age bracket,

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01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 3: so I appreciate that.

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01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 2: I can't wait till see what you do with that hog.

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01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna make sausage. It's my team. I've got

1457
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 3: to take a small portion of it, grind it up,

1458
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 3: test it, and see if it's going to turn out.

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01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 2: Well.

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01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish you good luck cooking your hog. I

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01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 1: mainly wish you good luck getting your trees in. Man, Lotus,

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01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 1: you get that twenty two miles done, that'd be cool.

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01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 1: Before you die. Oh when he dies, I get his hat. Yeah,

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01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 1: that is so that's cool.

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01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 2: Where is that hat? All right? Buddy? Thanks? Why I

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01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 2: thank you