WEBVTT - The Next Right Thing: with Propaganda + Holly Laurent 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.600 My name is Alex, and I voted. But now what 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:17.840 do I do? No, alright, alright, We'll be alright forever. No, alright, alright, 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:24.759 alright forever. I'm gonna tell you guys my story about uncertainty, 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.520 because that's kind of how I feel right now, and 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.000 that's kind of how I think a lot of people 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.280 have felt for the last four years. Um. But before 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:32.919 we get into how it's been for the last four years, 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.280 I'll tell you guys how the last few days have been. Um. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:40.319 Today it is November six, Uh, it is Friday, Um, 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.960 the Friday after election day, which was now four days ago, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.000 and it's been an interesting one. And UH, for the 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.600 last four days, I've been wildly uncertain. I've been in 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.960 the studio writing, and out of the four sessions I've had, 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.760 I've written one song. Uh. Most of them have just 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.240 been all of us talking about what the hell the 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.040 world's gonna look like. Um, they're still counting ballots at 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.600 this point. Uh. Nevada announced that they're not going to 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.480 be done until Saturday Sunday. UM, we've had a few 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.960 swing states already, flip, We've had just it's just been 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.880 an insane amount of time Um, but it's been really 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:19.320 really interesting for me because I really don't know kind 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.160 of what's next. Like I feel like I'm playing a 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.399 video game and I and were and there's a really 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.520 really hard level and um, you know, I'm not going 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.200 to speak too soon, but we potentially beat that hard 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.000 level and you celebrate because you beat the level, but 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:34.479 then now you got the rest of the game to play. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.600 And uh, and I think where I'm not, where I'm 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:40.400 at now is trying to figure out, um, what the 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.600 game is that's next or what the next level is. Um, 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.039 you know, obviously knock on wood. Again, I don't want 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.680 to speak too soon, but Joe Biden becoming president doesn't 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:53.720 mean that racial injustice is all solved. And it doesn't 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.040 mean that um my l g B t Q plus 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.000 you know, brothers, sisters and non gender conforming family member 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.840 is are are completely uh you know, protected in every 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.080 state and every city. And it doesn't mean that all 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.240 of the problems are solved, especially with our environment, but 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.520 it is, as it is potentially again a win that 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.680 I think that we need to to celebrate. But I 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.160 think most of the time, I have a great story 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.880 right now, I'm I'm wildly uncertain, and that got me thinking, 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:27.000 how do we figure out the next right thing? No, 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.680 what's up, y'all? Welcome to let's get into it. I'm 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.680 alex Iono and this is our podcast that is post 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.600 election day, but not necessarily post election. We are in 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.560 a weird, a weird situation. Uh. And and when I 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.200 say we, it means I have I have the help 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.000 of two very very smart people and and I'm gonna 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:48.839 introduce you to them right now. First, we got hip 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.000 hop artist also a poet, political activists and m c 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.800 co host of the Red Couch podcast with his wife. 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.200 Dr Alma Sarrego is a petty and you may know 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.760 him from shows like Behind the Police with Robert Evans, 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:03.760 the One and only propaganda prop What's up? Man? What what? What? 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.639 What Up? What a day? Oh man? What a day? 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.239 And we can we'll talk about it a bit, but 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.120 first I want to introduce our other, our other guests. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:12.880 She is the creator and the host of the hit 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.280 podcast Mega and is regularly featured on a p m 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.240 S Live from Here. She's an alumnus of the Second 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.280 City main Stage in Chicago, as well as the founding 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.760 member of the long standing improv group The Reckoning. She also, 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.120 a fun fact if you're a drunk history fan, holds 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.639 the record for the highest blood alcohol on one of 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.400 the seasons, and that she appeared, and also might hold 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:38.520 the record for most tears in the previous season, which 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.520 I don't even know if we give trophies, if we 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.960 if we pat on the back or if we I 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.360 don't know. But she is the also one and only 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:51.520 Holly Laurent. Holly, how are you so good? So uncertain? 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:57.840 Just like you, you know how when you're walking around 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.680 town and like there's a sports bar that kind of 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.800 like erupts at the same time everyone starts screaming because 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.880 like someone kicked a goal and you're like, whoa, what happened? 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.600 Everybody's excited. I keep thinking we're going to hear that 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.080 any minute about the election of like is everybody screaming? 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.960 Is it good? And and and like I had mentioned, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:17.680 not we're not going to try and lie about what 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.120 day it is today because we are wildly uncertain it 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.640 is Friday, the day after or the first Friday after 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:27.120 election day. Um. We have Catherine um my producer here, 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.600 who has got one ear with us in one ear 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.039 on the on news right now, and she's gonna let 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.200 us know if anything crazy happens during this episode recording. 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.839 But we all three of us, I'm excited that I'm 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.080 not the only one who's uncertain. I think that's the 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.400 basis of my whole podcast in general, is like making 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.880 people feel like whatever they're feeling are going through, they're 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.720 not the only person. Um. And I'm excited to talk 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:54.440 about you know, everything about that. We're gonna talk about first, Um, 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.040 prop you and I are gonna be talking about kind 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.920 of living with indecision and living in and kind of 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.480 navigating lie life when when you don't really know what's 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.520 what's coming next. Uh. And then after that, Holly, you 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.560 and I are going to be talking about reckoning with 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.360 the future pun intended. Um. And then lastly, all three 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.000 of us are going to be talking about the soul 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.279 of the nation. I think it's a very interesting time. 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.600 And Um, the numbers were staggering in a great way 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.560 and staggering in a in a sad way in terms 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.200 of how many people voted, but at the same time 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.120 also the amount of people that's still kind of support um, 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.440 you know, Donald Trump. This is a very clear podcast, 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.359 and I always talk about where I stand. But before 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.720 we get into that stuff, UM, I want to ask 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.600 a question that I ask all of my guests, especially now, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.000 especially now that we are past the election. Um, what 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.119 are you doing this week to improve yourself? This week? 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.400 I have voted. I voted this week, and that's what 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.719 I did to to better myself. I actually had sent 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.279 in my vallot a while ago, but because this is 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.240 election week, I figured that would be the best thing 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.000 for me. You know, I think voting while I vote 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.440 it in the past, this this election and this vote 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.000 that I've put in, and as we've seen in the 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:11.080 numbers that have been insanely close, Um, every person's vote matters. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:12.960 And so it felt it felt a lot different, a 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.000 lot better, and a lot it felt very powerful to 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.200 vote this week. And so I get to proudly say 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.760 that that's what I did to better myself this week. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.120 I know it's kind of a cop out, but I 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.480 think it makes me feel good. Um, Holly, do you 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.640 got something for me? I was actually patting myself on 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.200 the back yesterday because I was like, damn, I made 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.479 my bed, I got dressed and bathed today, and that's 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.919 there we go. That's a big pandemic win. That's a 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:44.760 pandemic win right there. Yeah, and um, I think in general, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.240 the word for me right now that I'm clinging to 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:54.200 is it's it's somewhere between listen and like channel. I 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.279 feel like as artists we are kind of supposed to 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.800 be like radios right now, like putting up antenna's and 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.799 just channeling and like the wisdom the way the patients. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.160 I don't know. I I do t M. I practiced, 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:12.000 I practice the specific TM meditation and that's the only 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.200 way I've really been able to get dressed and make 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.440 my bed this week. We'll look at that. That's a win. 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.320 That's a win for sure. Prop What do you got 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.080 for us? Yeah? I think for me, uh, similarly, like 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.800 just holding to my like daily rituals and traditions to 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:32.800 like keep the discipline of like waking up, doing some 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:37.280 sort of mindful meditation, some sort of breathing exercise, working 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:41.320 out yoga, like just knowing it ain't got to be pretty, 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:42.720 you know what I'm saying, Like I'm not the most 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.800 you know, you know, you know Instagram videos trying to 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.440 trying to downward dog out this mug, but uh, making 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:54.080 sure like making myself despite what's happening in the world, 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.120 be like no, you can't break rhythm. So I think 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:58.960 for me, which is like new you know what I'm saying, 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.240 would be like usually like when when when it's like 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.680 you gear up for like the stressful moment, and then 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.480 when the stress comes, like you forget all your training, 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.640 you know I'm saying, So like, ah, for me, it 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.440 was like, yo, this is the first time I got 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.800 stuck with it in like kept that calm you know 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.320 what I'm saying, and made myself like y'all remember your 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.640 remember your training. You know what I'm saying, right, right, 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:21.560 So I think for me, like that's that's the win 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.160 this week, man. I mean that's a major when I 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.760 think it's specifically on what you had just said in 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.440 terms of um sticking to your you know, sticking to 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.800 what you know is right, whether it's waking up early, 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.320 whether it's getting your meditation, whether it's doing yoga, whether 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.960 it's eating healthy, any of those things. Especially in times 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.920 right now and we're we're obviously going to talk about it, 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.520 I think it's very important to stick to your metaphorical 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.000 guns and uh and and really you know, hold true 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:48.880 to what you know makes you, you know, the most 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:53.800 productive and successful version of yourself. All right, let's let's 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.400 talk about some uncertainty. Holly, We'll be with you in 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.839 just a bit, but prop um, Yeah, let's get into it. 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.320 How have you been processing I mean, you had mentioned 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.120 um already that you you are. You know, it's very 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.119 uncertain times right now, and I think all of America 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.960 is sitting in this uncertainty. How have you been processing? Um, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:19.880 those those nerves, those feelings mask good man. Uh yeah, 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:21.920 I think of a lot of things. I think that, 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.880 like how I'm doing with it. You know, I'm like 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:28.960 the election updates. You know, I'm saying like you gotta 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.559 check every hour you feel me like because maybe right 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.360 maybe an hour ago, I was like, are you kidding me? 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.920 I'm floating, bro, Like I'm in a state of nirvana, 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.400 you know what I'm saying. But I think, like, overall, 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.000 a few things that I do is I always try to, like, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.600 I mean, I'm a history nerd, you know, I always 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:52.040 try to like couch whatever moment I'm having in the 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:57.120 context of like a longer history and try to remember that, like, Okay, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.280 when has it ever been certain? You say it? When 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.520 if we when if we ever known what was going on? 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.960 You know what I'm saying, right when? You know when? 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.800 And then like if y'all can't see this on the pod, 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.920 but y'all in this video or can't tell by my 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:11.920 voice in case you ain't noticed, I'm black, you know 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.280 I'm saying, so like when when has it been peaceful 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.160 for black America? You feel me so like me trying 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.920 to couch that that not as an excuse, but as 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.559 like a rudder if you will that like, Okay, this 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:31.319 isn't any sort of aberration. You know. We make treasure 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.400 out of trash. That's what we do all the time. Um, 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.440 we shouldn't have to live this way, but here we are, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.120 you know what I'm saying. So I think that for me, 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.000 that's one thing I try to remember. And then just 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:47.680 like you know, keep a uh you know, a gratitude 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.800 lists of like things that I'm like actually thankful for 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:53.719 even in the midst of this chaos, you know what 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:57.000 I'm saying. That like you know, was and and it's 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.600 as as I got older, like saying things like, yo, 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.320 you have a roof over your head. You know when 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.560 you're a kid, you like Okay, great, dad saying like, yeah, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.280 there's a house. I mean you live in it too, 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.560 Like it's fine, you know what I'm saying. But like 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.960 now as an adult being like, dang, God, like our 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.480 economy said, we could have lost we could have lost 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.959 our place to live, you know what I mean, And like, dang, 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:22.840 what would I do? How would I feed my children? 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:26.920 Like like I'm grateful that that didn't happen, you know, absolutely, 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:31.240 So yeah, for me, it's like, you know, just like 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.560 I said, like couching in history, kind of remembering that 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:38.440 like we never really had certainty. You know. I'm I'm 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.440 so glad that you I'm so glad that you said 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.200 you're bringing up history because that's something that I've kind 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.040 of you know, I talked to a bunch of people 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.400 and and whether it's somebody's like, well, don't forget like 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.560 the two thousand election was really close to and they 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.560 we're talking about history, and and there's a balance because 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.520 like you mentioned, when have when has there ever been 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.560 you know, certainty and it's fullness. But also on the 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.640 other end of that is like we are so insanely 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.040 unprecedented right now. Like I remember seeing a video that 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:09.520 was posted last night of George Bush Senior giving his 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.719 speech after losing the election and saying, you know, I 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.120 that's the American way, It's what makes American beautiful. I'm I'm, 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:17.840 me and my team are going to do everything we 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.400 can to make this flow of in this transition of power. 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.240 And you really start thinking like that's I think not 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.040 to play Devil's Advocate, and I probably will most of 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:31.559 this episode because wild was certain but like, while there 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.400 is like, yeah, there's never been uncertainty, but there's also 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.880 been There's also never been somebody who is if everything 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.040 continues on the trajectory that has been on the last 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.480 twenty four hours, there's never been a squatter in the 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:49.360 White House, you know. So it's like it's there's an 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.200 old reference, Like I mean, it's a little bit it's 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.720 more like my sister's jen. I'm the youngest in my family, 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.120 but like in my sister's Jin, the like the first 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:05.040 generation of video games, you only programmed a certain amount 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.360 of space, and there would be a time that like 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.280 your little your little you know, bit map like eight 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.960 big character would go to a place where there's no graphics, 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.760 and it was like because they didn't make they didn't 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.520 have the memory for that, graphics didn't go that part. Why, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.720 you know what I'm saying. So you're just like where 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.560 You're like, I don't know how my character got out here, 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.440 but there's nothing over here, yo said. So in a 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.040 lot of ways, we were like, Yo, we off the 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.040 map now, like we really are. We just got everybody's 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:38.520 just gotta start painting some new stuff and spirals and circles. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.439 So don't get me wrong, Like we definitely off the map, 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.880 you know what I'm saying. Um, And that said, I 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:52.959 mean America itself was off the map, Like you know 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:54.880 what I'm saying. There was like when I when I 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.400 think about the idea of like a president in general, 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.680 like if you would right now have to say, I 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.600 need to make up out of the clear blue sky, 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:09.280 a new version of the head of a government. I 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.079 just make one up, you know what I'm saying. Like 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.800 it's like we are that's where, but that's where we 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.840 were when we started the country. It was just like, 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.600 what is it? What is the president? There's no such 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.680 thing there was, There's no such thing as a president. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.840 So we were like, well, we don't know what this is. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:26.720 We don't know how to pick him. How do we 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.440 not make him just a monarch? Well he's not a 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.640 prime minister. Well he's not. It's not the church, was 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.640 it the state? Like? What is this thing? So like 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:39.200 even being off the map, We've been off the map before, 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.920 you know what I'm saying. So I'm not saying that 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.160 that's any comfort. You know what I'm saying, Like, it 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.880 don't make me feel better, It don't ease the anxiety again. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.880 It just but it like for me, it's like there's 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.000 a map for being off the map, if I can 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.720 mix my metaphor you know, yeah, absolutely. Um So I 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.520 think now again, back to back to history now, because 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.720 I do have some some questions that I really think 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.080 that you might have great answers to. Um. I think 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:12.040 I rewind the clock back to when Obama was president, right, 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.480 and I think a lot of us kind of we 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.400 were just celebrating. It was all good. Everybody was chilling. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.360 We kind of were in this mode of like, don't worry, 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.880 Obama's got it, we got this, don't worry about it. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.640 And I think what actually happened, Um, you know, I 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.520 think it really kind of muddied the importance of voting 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.320 still and I think not enough progressives voted in two 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.960 thousen and two twelve, and then we kind of spent 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.040 the next six years hitting roadblocks which ended up of 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.520 course here in twenty or not here. But they're in 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.880 with you know, this new guy in the White House. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.680 Do you think that if, um, if Biden, if the 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:49.840 if the path continues on its on its way now 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.440 and Biden becomes the president, do you think that he 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.720 will be able to make more progress or do you 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.600 think that we are you know where where do you 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.880 where do you stand with that? That's a good question. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.840 And I think like the the the reality of like 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.560 yeah again, like we're off the map, so like predictions 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:12.280 are silly, you know. Uh, but I will say this, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:17.200 like yeah, it's hard to say, like when you have 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:24.400 someone like a firebrand, just like whatever the hell Trump was, 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:29.800 like the to be able to like survey the effects 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.960 on our democracy. Like I think we may not even 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.920 know for years the effects of what he's done to 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:43.600 our democracy. Um. And I also know that like no 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.160 one president is the answer, you know what I'm saying. Um. 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.080 I think going back to what you said, like we 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:54.080 were lulled into this like superman, Um. Sort of complex, 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.480 like we got lazy, you know, UH as a country 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.800 with Obama because he was so smooth, because he was 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.880 so well spoken, and even like I even you know, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.200 as a black man, I'm like, I'll always give him 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:06.960 a pass like I can't help it. But at the 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.240 same time, I'm like, there were decisions I think he made, 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.600 like in our geopolitics that I was like, man, that's 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.960 not I don't know fam like his some of his 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.400 some of his uh immigration issues I'm married at first 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.920 gin Latina. I was like, yo, you know what I'm saying, 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.679 Like you're kind of hard hard on our immigrants, you 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.159 know what I'm saying. Like, So there was some stuff 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.560 that like, even in me being happy with who he was, 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:34.240 I felt like his moral compass was was Um was great, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.679 But I honestly don't think we're ever going to go 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.000 back to brunching, Like yeah, no, I mean, I think 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.560 this is It reminds me. It reminds me of an 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.880 interaction I had with UM with somebody who commented on 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.520 one of my voting posts, and basically it said, you know, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.000 there's no point in voting for Joe Biden. There's no 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.119 point in voting for for Trump, because like, neither of 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.480 them are going to make a difference, and and we 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.280 might as well just keep Trump because at least he's 0:17:58.280 --> 0:17:59.639 doing stuff, and he had, you know, kind of had 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.439 that whole stance. He's like, I don't like him, but 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.320 we might as well stay. And I really like instead 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.919 of kind of bashing or going back, and like, I 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:08.960 just messaged him and I was just like, listen, man, 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.080 like we gotta start little by little. Like I I personally, 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.680 I am of the end. Maybe I'm a little bit 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.119 too cynical, but like I agree with you in the 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:18.960 sense of, like I don't think one president is going 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.360 to make a huge difference, which is why I think 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.639 even if he wins, I still feel uncertain, which is 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.280 why I'm doing this episode, you know. But I think 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.000 my own personal view is if we keep voting the 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:35.119 same way that we voted and hopefully it pans out, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.760 But if we keep voting the way that we voted 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.080 in and we vote with our hearts, and that was 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.600 something that I said a lot leading up to election day, 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:44.840 is like voting with your heart, not with your party, 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.159 not with your family, not with your friends, but with 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.880 your heart. And I think if we keep doing that, 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.719 then we can start making real progress. And I think 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.199 a lot of us learned that. Yeah. I feel like 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.280 one of my one of my principles I always try 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:02.840 to say is like I vote with Mike, my neighbors, uh, 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.359 best interests, you know what I'm saying. Like, so I 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.880 try to think of like who is this, what is this? 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.440 Who's going to be the most oppressed in this in 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.199 this decision? And I try to think of whatever it 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.199 is and put it, put myself in their shoes and 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.960 be like, how would I vote if this was going 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:19.879 to cause pain to someone I love? You know what 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.280 I'm saying, and kind of try to like use that 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.560 as like my moral compass, but also say this man 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:31.280 even specifically to that, to that um, to that post. Uh. 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:35.720 I think of like what's what's what's a good example. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:42.600 If you're gonna make a chicken dinner. Okay, yes, you're 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:47.879 gonna make a chicken dinner. Uh, the absolute very least 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:53.440 you can do is cook the chicken. You gotta cook it. Okay, 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:58.520 that's that's voting. Now It's gonna be some bland ass 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.520 chicken if you don't season it up, Like can you 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.160 put some like salt and pepper and some peprika dog. 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:08.800 Like you understand what I'm saying, Like, yeah, like you 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.359 gotta like you gotta season the chicken. You feel me, 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.280 And that's your activism, that's you continuing to participate in 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.400 the process and and learning and going too things. That's 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:20.439 so like and like, which is what you're saying, is like, 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.520 it's the long game. You gotta keep seasoning his chicken. 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.920 Now that said, you can't just season chicken and then 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:32.120 not cook it right, so you need both so exactly 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.240 to that point. You know, Um, if Biden wins, there's 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.159 a lot of uh, there's a lot of things that 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.399 he clearly wants to do in support of, you know, 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.679 in support of the Black Lives Matter movement, in support 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.440 of LGBT plus rights, in supportive healthcare, and support of 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:48.840 um climate change or not in supportive climate in fight 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.360 we feel you climate change. You gotta get me. Um, 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.840 I'm not gonna pin every you know, I'm not gonna 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.359 pin every different type of person in every group and 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.560 every oppressed people. Um for you to answer. But I 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:05.840 think more specifically, you know, I think I still I 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.920 still feel like we are not even close to the 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:13.200 middle of the fight for racial equality and for really 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:18.080 kind of uprooting and getting rid of the systemic racism. 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.119 Even though now we've won, and you know, like that 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:21.720 was kind of like the biggest thing, you know, I 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.520 think I kept replaying in my mind killer Mike saying, 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:26.600 you know, beat him up in the polls, and everybody's saying, 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:28.639 if you want to get back, don't loot stores, like 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.119 go and vote. And now we've run that as a 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:35.760 black man, as somebody who is you know, woke in 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.720 every you know, in every facet. What's something that you 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.720 would recommend for allies, um, to the Black Lives Matter 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:47.199 movement specifically, UM, but to just allies of of of 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.760 all of the you know, and not to group everybody together, 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:53.840 but all of those oppressed groups of people. What's what's 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.640 what would you recommend for the for the allies more specifically, 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.320 if we could have a good outcome of this man, 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:02.960 that's good. And I think like there's a lot of like, 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.200 you know, kind of listening and trust us, you know 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:08.359 what I'm saying that, like, you know, we kind of 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:13.080 been in there, uh, and usually bear the brunt of 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.400 the pain and then also lead the charge in fixing 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.479 you know what I'm saying. Um, So I think a 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.720 little bit of like yeah, like like trust us, you 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.600 know what I'm saying, and um, and trust us when 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:30.960 it's like when it's not in style, you know, when 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.919 it's gonna cost you a little bit, like like trust us, 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:38.680 you know what I'm saying. Um, We've constantly are calling 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.800 America too to be its best version of itself. Like 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.720 that's that's the attitude of justice work is like, Yo, 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.480 you made promises. I'm just I'm gonna demand you to 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:52.159 be what you said you were going to be. You 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.720 know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna let off the gas. Um. 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:58.320 I think you know this isn't the question you asked me. 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:02.920 But like conversely, I think what we can do as 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:07.800 black people is while like you're kind of having to 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:10.320 hold two ideas at the same time, right, So like 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.600 holding the idea of the specificity of just the anti 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:18.520 black sentiment across the board, that there is a specificity 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.840 about the prejudice of being dark skinned, black slave descendant. 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:27.360 There's there's something very specific about that. That said, understanding 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:33.840 interlocking systems, how our freedom is is intertwined with the 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:36.800 freedoms of the immigrant, the l g B t Q, 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.440 the trans community, and how like all of those things 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:46.439 play into a collective freedom, um and just and remembering 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:51.159 that like you know, I I oftentimes remember this in 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:53.879 a in a unfortunately like these are things that have 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:56.320 to course correct, often in a very like cynical way, 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.960 to be like, um, oh, they're gonna come for you too, 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:04.520 you bro, liked you? Don't you think you different? You 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.320 know what I'm saying, Like they're gonna come for you, 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:10.040 you know, um, rather than saying like no, bro, listen, 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.520 it's gonna crush you too, like from a more loving perspective, 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.440 you know what I'm saying. Um, So I think while 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.600 again like I can't stress this enough, like not abandoning 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:23.480 the uniqueness of the specificity of being of anti black 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.480 sentiment at the same time understand that like yo, the 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:30.280 liberation of all oppressed people, you know, is a part 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:33.600 of our own liberation too, absolutely so yeah, so I 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:35.680 just think that like what I would ask for allies. 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.360 It's like yo, just like man, trust like like trust me, 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:42.800 trust me Joe saying like we we no. It's it's 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.600 a great point. And if you if you if you 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.640 aren't familiar with Problems podcasts. UM. You talk a lot 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.160 about ally ship like that, and I think these next 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.760 few days they're either going to be incredible and we're 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:56.720 gonna be like, Wow, this is awesome, or they're gonna 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:58.560 be like a letdown and we're gonna be like, Okay, 0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:01.280 let's keep going. And I think not in a bad way, 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.879 but I really hope that either way, that it goes 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.959 people of of every walk of life, whether you're an 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.320 ally or whether you are in the middle of it. 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:14.119 I hope that we all feel the fire that we felt, 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.359 you know that. I hope we still all and not 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:18.640 even feel, but still all have that fire that we've 0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:22.800 felt since June three or or you know, since since 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:26.280 we've started, you know, since the uprising of you know, 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.560 the Black Lives Matter movement and the fight against racial 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:32.480 injustice UM started. I just I really hope no matter 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:38.320 what that happens, UM, probably you are again insanely well rounded, 0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:40.320 and by the way, you're academic. I want to point 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:44.680 that out. You are academic, but outside of the election, 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.879 you're an artist, you know, and as as a fellow artist, 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:51.800 uncertainty isn't something that only happens every four years. During 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.440 the election. I think, especially when you are an entrepreneur, 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.280 whether you are fighting for whether you're going to school 0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.159 even and you're trying to get a job, uncertain t 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:04.720 runs rampant through life, right. Yeah. The biggest, the biggest 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:07.520 quote that I think of is Winston Churchill's um quota 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:10.439 saying like, if you're going through hell, keep going and 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:12.800 uh and and that's something that really is always stuck 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.200 with me every time I'm going through a hard time. Um, 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:18.280 but what advice do you have for anybody outside of politics? 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:19.760 Because by the time this air is it could be 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:22.359 the airing on Tuesday, and like you never know that 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:25.679 everything to be different by Tuesday. But what's your advice 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:28.359 for for uncertainty in general? People going through that, dealing 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:31.359 with that? Um and and and what would you what 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.680 would you give to the listener who is still uncertain 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:37.360 about things that aren't politics. Yeah, that's man, that's good man. 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:41.639 Um to try to not I'm gonna try to synthesize it, 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:44.280 because yeah, like being an artist, you you just gather 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:48.680 so many different like small moments and try to put 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.040 them into one one thing to be like, yo, this 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.360 is this is it. You know what I'm saying, um, 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.280 But I think ultimately it's like you keep your feet 0:26:57.320 --> 0:26:58.960 under you, you know what I'm saying, You keep the 0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:01.800 sky above you. You do your best to like you 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.399 worry about what's in your what's in your arms, reach, 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:09.640 what is available to you. Nipsey, Um, you know got 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.720 rest his soul. Nipsey would talk about like his movement 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.399 was always like I used what was available to me 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:21.120 when we when we had a closet and a USB mic, 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:23.600 we made albums with a closet and the USB MIC. 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.320 When we were able to get like a back room studio, 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:28.800 we used the back room studio. And then we went 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:31.359 to Universal and then and now we're there. You know, 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:33.360 we use what's about. We don't worry about. We don't 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.760 worry about more than what we have. We don't worry 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:37.680 about what we don't have it at, what we don't 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:40.840 have access to we can. We we worry about what's 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.560 in our hands. So I think that like as an artist, 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.400 you know, as an entrepreneur, like look, man, if there's 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:51.520 no venture capitalist knocking on your door, cool Trump said, 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:56.400 it's fine, use what you got, you know, um, and 0:27:56.440 --> 0:28:01.600 then like just you know, to get woo woo on you, 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:07.440 like just the outcome, the outcomes out of your hands somehow. 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:11.879 The outcome is it's divine, it's magic, it's you know, 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.560 it's something it's not material, you know what I mean. 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.240 So I just think when you when you focus on that, 0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:22.280 on that thing, that's like there's no math for for me. 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:24.760 That's where like the anxiety starts happening, you know what 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:26.760 I'm saying. Where I'm like, I'm trying to control something 0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:32.640 that like it's just not on there's it's just not empirical. 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.320 There's no there's no material for this, you know what 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:37.359 I'm saying. So I just think like when you let 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.560 things that are immaterial, just let them be that, Let 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.960 let divine be divine. Let let the magic be the magic, 0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.440 and you just you again, keep your feet under you, 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.600 do what's available to you and rest at rest, your 0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:55.520 rest your head at night knowing that you gave a 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:59.680 dent and and even if you didn't have a hundred percent, 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:05.920 all you have left. Cool. Bro. That is a perfect 0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:08.440 way for us to end this segment, because that's what 0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.360 I think is the is the you know, the kryptonite 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:15.440 to uncertainty is like you said, keeping your keeping your 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:18.320 feet under you, the sky above you, and just keep 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:20.280 on going through it. We're gonna take a quick break 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.840 when we come back. Um, Holly's gonna hop on. Prop 0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:24.600 Thank you so much. We'll talk with you in a bit, 0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:28.640 my pleasure. We'll be right back. We are back. This 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:31.120 is let's get into it, Holly. We are here with 0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.760 you right now. Um, we are reckoning with the future. 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:37.520 How have before we get into that, how have your 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.120 nerves been? I I got to ask prop this where 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.520 where where's your head been last four days or the 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:48.240 last four years? Really? I mean it's been a roller coaster. 0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:52.120 And um, a year ago, I remember starting to think 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.520 where am I going to place myself in the world 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.040 for the election, Like maybe it's best to like go 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.200 to Joshua Tree and do a bunch of psychedelics and 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:03.880 just blast off and be like I'll check in in 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.719 a week and like I'm not gonna like go on 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:11.080 the whole emotional ride. Um. But then there was something 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:16.080 about the Dodgers winning the World Series last week where 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:20.000 I started thinking, I was like, two teams come into 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:24.160 the World Series. Neither of those teams come in saying, 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:29.880 oh boy, this could go real bad for us. They 0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:34.920 each come in saying I'm going to take this because 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.080 like we are going to win because we're the best. 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.600 And I was like, why are we all shaking being 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:44.800 like this could go so bad for us? We need 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.640 to be like we're the best. There's actually more of 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:51.600 us and we're the best team. And so I got 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:56.240 a ton of swagger going into actual election day and 0:30:56.280 --> 0:31:00.560 then um, and then I got a little bit shaken 0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:05.200 by Tuesday night. I was like, I guess, uh, Game 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:10.520 one did not go your way and um, and I 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:14.320 kind of faltered and I got very sad to just 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:18.120 see the numbers again of like, my god, his support 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.520 has gone up. Half a quarter of a million people 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:26.360 are dead and his support has gone up, and uh, 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:30.920 and white women have increased their like after everything. It's 0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:36.640 it's it's sobering to say the least, and it's worrisome. 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:40.720 And yes, it's incredible numbers showing up to vote, thank goodness. 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:44.760 But I am I also am like it might be 0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:49.120 because we have never been so divided. We used to 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.719 have shitty turnout because everyone's like, yeah, well you know, 0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.840 and now everybody's like no, my team, no, my team, 0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:57.240 you know, like it can be kind of worrisome, but 0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:04.280 like I I honestly think it's it's huge. Like even 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.200 if we just take the White House, it's huge because 0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.200 at least we can get some cabinet members in there 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:12.000 who are actual experts and who have hearts in their chest, 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:15.680 and like we can start working on things like police reform, 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.480 voter suppression. There's there's so much work to be done, 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:21.880 and it's time to start now. And like what I 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.600 think a ton of white people woke up to this 0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:28.080 summer was like, oh, when when we keep saying like, oh, 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:31.160 the system is broken America, system is broken, we're like, no, no, no, 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:35.280 it was designed to to keep white men in power. 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:39.280 It's working perfectly, like the if you study the history 0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:41.520 of the police in the United States, it is built 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:45.520 on racism. The electoral college is built on racism. Like 0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:49.200 we have things in place to keep women and people 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.800 of color small and quiet and oppressed and and and 0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:56.160 with with a knee on their necks and like and 0:32:56.160 --> 0:33:00.600 and the system is right now like actual the voice 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:04.920 of the people is having a moment, But there's so 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:07.520 much work to be done. And if we take the 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:10.880 White House but not the Senate, and if that Mitch 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:15.000 McConnell is an obstructionist, like like the what they like, 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:18.360 what they did to Obama and and no policy can 0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:20.680 be made. That is a much different story than if 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.240 this runoff in Georgia helps us tie up the Senate 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:26.520 and we can actually create laws. So like what's happening 0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.320 in the Supreme Court right now, Yes it is stacked 0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:32.680 against us, but the Court's job is to interpret the law. 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.680 They don't make the laws. So we made the Senate 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.600 so we can make the laws to protect our brothers 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.280 and sisters and family members. We make the laws in 0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:43.760 the Senate and then the court interprets them. So like 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.040 now there's so much work to be done. Goodness gracious. 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:50.680 The trial of George Floyd's murders is still coming up, 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:54.680 like ship is going to get wild and really weird, 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:59.000 and like there's you're exactly right, what you what you 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.840 were both talking about, Like there's so much uncertainty, and 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:06.840 it's true, like we're always uncertain, like we're always improvising. 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.200 I'm actually an improv teacher and I'm always telling my 0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:13.759 students like you're always improvising, like unless you're actually in 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.040 a movie or TV show or a play and you're 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.040 on book like saying words that someone else wrote for you. 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:23.040 Any other time besides those moments like you're improvising and 0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:27.319 so everything is unsure all the time. And um, I 0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.320 think like we have such a fight on our hands 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.960 and none of us have a crystal ball, and um man, 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:41.040 it's anybody's ball game. But uh, I mean I think 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:43.680 between now in January with the Georgia runoff, it's going 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:49.360 to be very very interesting. Alright, so number one go off, 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:55.160 then like number one, number two you can now add 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:57.239 next time somebody does a bio for you as an 0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:00.960 intro to um to their podcast asks, not only are 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:04.759 you the highest blood alcohol level on drunk history, you're 0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:06.799 also the first person to say the C word on 0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:10.120 my podcast. So that's pretty fun. There's really no other 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.320 way to describe Mitch McConnell. It's just it's the only 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:21.200 appropriate adjective. Wait, wait, wait, this is the funniest conversation 0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:25.280 I've had in a long time, because I just feel 0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:29.720 like there's so much wrong with that man that like 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:32.480 some of the stuff is just like low hanging fruit 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.759 that I'm like, I want to stick to. What is 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.759 like why he's so dangerous to our country. But but 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:43.720 my brain gets so full of the things you're saying, 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:47.440 because I'm going that, like, he looks like a turtle, 0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:51.279 and I don't understand how anyone can Like when you 0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:53.520 stand in front of me, I'm like, I can't think 0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.480 of anything else except that you look like a turtle, 0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.960 Like how do you? How is anyone like? How can you? 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:05.400 How do I take you? And I'm like, it's like 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:07.120 it's one of those things. It's like it's like the 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.279 blue It's like the eight underground gorilla, like the white 0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.799 oleman in the room. How it's like, how come nobody's 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.120 acknowledging the fact that this man looked like a turtle? 0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.400 Like can we acknowledge that he looks like a turtle? 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:22.040 He also sounds like a turtle. He sounds like a 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.440 car tool turtle. And this is probably the probably the 0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:28.440 meanest disk you can make, because it's actually sadly true. 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:34.040 He doesn't read out loud very well. You can't read 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.279 out loud well. And that's the biggest disk that I 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:38.759 think if somebody told me that, I would be devastated. 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:41.320 If somebody said, hey, Alex, you can't read out loud 0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.920 really well, I would be so devastated because that's such 0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:49.440 a crushing blow. Uh. And that's and and that just 0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:51.759 the way that that's the way the cookie crumbles. All right, 0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:54.000 So where are we? Okay? So one go off to 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.000 you're the first person to say the sea word on 0:36:56.040 --> 0:37:01.080 my podcast, which is exciting. We're really getting spicy these days. Um, 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.400 because you just came at me with the biggest fireball, 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:09.920 I'm I'll return your fire with my UM disheartened feelings. 0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:11.680 I guess it is that I saw throughout for the 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:15.200 last four days. Um, and it was that even though 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.239 Joe Biden has the most votes for him in presidential 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:25.440 history and he's you know, he's clearly winning the popular vote, 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:28.360 I really was disheartened by how many people came out 0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:32.080 and voted for Trump still after the last four years. 0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:34.239 And I think that the biggest thing I remember is 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:37.799 my manager Billy had said, UM, when you're going to 0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:40.319 the polls, think about if you are happier with your 0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:44.960 life than you were four years ago. And I know 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.160 for a fact. I mean, I obviously I'm very lucky, 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:49.160 I met my girlfriend the last four years. I love life. 0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:50.960 I love these things. But like in terms of where 0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:54.200 we are as a world zero percent, and so I 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:56.880 think it's it's it was really disheartening for me, and 0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:00.759 I think for a lot of people, uh to see 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:05.799 you know, to see so many places still go yeah, 0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:07.880 we should do this, let's run that back, let's do 0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:10.760 that thing again. What advice do you have for anybody 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:15.000 who's feeling that way? I honestly, when I try to 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.759 wrap my head around it, I'm like, what is going on? 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:21.000 Because we know that we are operating with two totally 0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:26.480 different pieces of information, Like we are living in uh, 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.520 two information bubbles, Like people who are watching Fox News 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:32.920 have a totally different perspective of the world than we do. 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:37.319 We're operating with different information period. But I I sit 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:41.080 and think about um, people who vote for Trump, and 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.200 I'm like, even if they just even if they're not 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.080 listening to what the commentators tell them to believe, if 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:49.040 they just listen to the words out of the horse's mouth, still, 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:52.160 how can they justify it? And I the only thing 0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:54.480 I can come up with is, I think it's that 0:38:55.640 --> 0:39:01.600 people want to be um. They're looking out for theirs. 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:06.080 They're looking out for their their jobs, their security, their 0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:10.480 white privilege, and they want to maintain that it's comfortable, 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.800 it's familiar, it's cozy, and like prop was saying that 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.520 the damage that has been done will continue to reveal 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:20.719 itself to us for years, because even if we were 0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.480 to take the House, the Senate and the and the 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:27.360 the Oval Office, like Trump has riled up like and 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:31.200 and given created space and made room for people who 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:33.440 have been quietly racist for a really long time to 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:38.880 now be overtly racist, and and that is really scary 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:43.200 and I and I feel like um uh in the 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:47.200 way like John Lewis talked about, like to to really 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.960 create change, like people are going to be beaten and killed, 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:54.279 like even to get the vote that happened, and I 0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:58.560 think that that might happen again. Like where it's going, 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.960 like ship is going to get very very intense, Like 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.759 how much of an ally are you? How much of 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.799 an ally? Am I? What am I willing to do? 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:10.480 Am I going to like stay behind lock and key 0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:13.719 and get really quiet when the ship starts to hit 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:17.040 the fan, because like this is going to be an 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.479 interesting fight and and Trump has riled up his base 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:22.839 and who knows, Like even it's it seems like we're 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:24.799 waiting for really good news right now in terms of 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.920 the presidency. But then what's the backlash going to be? 0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:32.520 I mean, right now we have this flaming orange ball 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:36.560 of vulgarity that is the backlash to Obama. Like, what 0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.600 is the backlash to this gonna be? It's it's it's 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:46.560 a it's unnerving. But um, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.040 I think the thing that that came to mind while 0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:53.560 you were speaking is the orange backlash Trump was the 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:56.560 backlash to Obama, and now we are looking at what 0:40:56.680 --> 0:41:00.640 is this backlash too to Trump? And here and you 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.000 talk about being an ally and I think the backlash 0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:06.000 where I stand, and it's obviously in a hopeful place, 0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:10.000 is like the backlash is love. I think that a 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:11.919 lot of the time, especially this year, we've talked about 0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:14.120 its got to get worse to get better, and I 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:18.560 think that as shitty as it feels and as shitty 0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:22.080 as it is, it's gotten worse. And I think we're 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:24.919 still in the worse. And my hope is that if 0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:28.040 the backlash to Trump can be love, if the backlash 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:31.000 like shoutouts to Arizona my hometown have never been more 0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:33.920 proud to say from Arizona than this election. But like 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:38.160 if our backlash too, Arizona, which has been for a 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:43.640 long time just conservative. We're not increasing the education budget, 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.920 We're not you know, legalizing marijuana. We're gonna stay red. 0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:50.200 We're gonna support you know, um division, and we're gonna 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:53.479 But now we're here, I think if we combat all 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.800 of this and the backlash too, Donald Trump is taking 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:58.800 care of each other and taking care of our country 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.759 and taking care of our plan it it's gonna be 0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.040 a process. And I think where you were talking about allies, 0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:05.719 and it's how much of an ally are you? Are 0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.720 you an ally enough that you can disarm your friends 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.920 and family and hug them and welcome them into the 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:17.799 love club or you know, whatever it is of inclusivity 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.440 and acceptance. I know I sound like a hippie as 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:22.280 I'm saying all of this ship, but like I really 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:26.720 do feel that that is the way, not in the polity, 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.640 in the political sense, but in the human sense, that 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:34.480 we become the backlash of of you know, of Trump. Um. 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:35.799 But I want to get back to something else that 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.399 you said in your in your amazing which I think 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:40.640 could be like the your rant, like it was just 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:42.799 you like literally I was like, yeah, but what about oh, 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:45.640 she's and then she covered it. It It was incredible. Um, 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:47.640 I want to talk about you know, you had mentioned 0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:50.160 like the fight's not over and we have, you know, 0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.520 George Floyd's murder trials. We have still the fight for 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:56.799 racial justice and um, whether that be in the form 0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.000 of reparations, whether it be in the form of police reform, 0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:01.200 whether it be in the form of you know, whatever 0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:04.239 have you. You have the fight to continue fighting for 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:07.560 lgbt Q plus rights. With Amy Colmbarrett as a Supreme 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:10.320 Court justice, we are now going to literally be fighting 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:14.400 for women's reproductive rights. All of these fights right, and 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.319 it does still feel like even though we knocked one 0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:19.120 of those things off the list, which was getting out 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.839 and voting, we still have so many things to do 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.719 and we still feel super uncertain. We still feel super unstable. 0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.719 How do we find what is the next right thing? 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:31.640 Just like the same way that it was, our focus 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:33.000 was we need to vote, We need to vote, We 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:35.520 need to vote. We still were protesting, you know, Black 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.319 Lives Matter. We still were outside of Jackie Lacey's house, 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:40.799 you know, protesting. We're still like doing all those things. 0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:42.879 Now that that sector has gone, how do we find 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:45.319 out Okay, what do we all do next? You know, 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:49.200 properly talked about how as an ally UM to the 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.560 Black Lives Matter movement and that, and as an ally 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.200 to any of an oppressed group of people, the best 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:57.800 thing we can do is listen. What do you think 0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:00.200 I guess is the next move? Where do we sin? 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.200 Who should we listen to? Who do you think should 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:04.879 be leading the next fight, the next charge. I think 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:07.480 Killer Mike did an incredible job and was very, very 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:10.840 crucial to how Georgia ended up voting because he is 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:15.480 such a hero out there, especially in Atlanta. UM, I 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:17.800 know I just turned that question into seven million questions, 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:20.200 but let me let me go back to the main question, 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:22.240 which is how do we find out what the next 0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:26.600 right thing to do is. One of my favorite teachers, 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.120 trans woman named Alexandra Billings one time said to me, 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:37.080 when the student is ready, the teacher appears. And that's 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:40.759 some Nanny McPhee shit, Remember Nanny McPhee where it's like, 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:42.719 when you need me, I'll be there. And it was 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:45.000 just like, sorry, that just turned me there. I agree, 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.440 and I have been feeling that in my life. I 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.800 realized that more and more what she meant that, UM, 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:55.560 I start to realize that as I experience heart openings 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.200 and that word you said, listen, the more I listen, 0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:00.759 and we're in a reply culture now where everyone's just 0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:05.600 screaming and it's it's it's not productive. Um. The more 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:10.839 I listen, the more I start recognizing teachers everywhere, like 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:15.600 they are around us. But until you are ready, like you, 0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.960 you cannot hear them. They're there and they're talking. But UM, 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.480 I am seeing these teachers emerged. There's a teacher. There's 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:26.800 a teacher. There's a teacher, you know, Killer Mike Rick Rubin, 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:30.320 anyone who is speaking to you on on a level 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:32.560 where it's rattling your cage, where it's ringing your bell 0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:35.239 a little bit like oh, that makes me feel uncomfortable 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:38.520 or curious or or challenged in some way. When the 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:41.760 student is ready, the teacher appears. And what I truly 0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:45.120 think is not to be all hippie ship like you 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.600 were saying. But I do think that it's love. And 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:51.359 I think that I can only control me, and so 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:53.920 I think who I have to listen to first and 0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:58.319 foremost as I as I make myself available to the 0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:01.080 teaching of the teachers who are emerging around me. I 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:04.200 have to learn how to listen to myself better my intuition. 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:08.600 I have to listen to my anger, because our anger 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:13.280 is information. Especially I don't know about for you being guys, 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:16.280 but for me as a as a female, Like, we've 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:20.759 really been trained culturally to hide and disapprove of and 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:25.000 avoid our anger. It's not lady like, you know, it's not. 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:28.839 And and I've come to a point of like, oh, 0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:32.000 my anger is here to help me. My anger is 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:36.160 here as clear information. So I can listen to my 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:39.160 anger and say, like, what is my anger telling me? Oh, 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:42.080 anger happens when a boundary has crossed. You've crossed a 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:45.080 boundary and it has fueled, you know, when somebody almost 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:46.520 hits you when you're driving in your car and you're 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.799 like and then you're like, yo, funck face. Like your 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:52.600 anger comes first from like you were afraid. They crossed 0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:56.640 a boundary, they came into your space. They it was dangerous. 0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:59.920 And so our anger tells us where our boundaries are. 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:03.040 Our boundaries tell us what our values are. And so 0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:06.200 listen to your anger suit that you can identify those boundaries, 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:09.759 to that you can more clearly articulate your values and 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:15.439 those values of love and of um honesty and of 0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:19.240 listening are more important than ever now. But I think 0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:22.240 any time I pay attention a lot to that word should, 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:25.480 like so and so should be doing this, the GOP 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:28.319 should stand come out against so and so should do this. 0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:32.000 Like I realized that any time I'm in a should land, 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:35.479 I'm outside of my mind. I'm out of my mind 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:37.880 because I'm over in somebody else's mind trying to tinker 0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:41.520 in their ship, and like I can only do this, 0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:45.560 like I've noticed recently, like with my my husband, I 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:49.440 I'm just really really super tidy. Like a lot of 0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:51.360 times he'll take out a shirt to like put it 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:53.680 on his body for clothes that day, and he'll be like, 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:55.360 where did my shirt go? And I've already hung it 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:57.239 back up because I'm like, this doesn't go here. This 0:47:57.280 --> 0:47:58.719 goes here, and he's like I was about to put 0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:02.120 that on, but um, like I noticed that. I go 0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:04.239 around the house and he used some scissors and he 0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:06.560 left him on the counter, and I'm like, he should 0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:09.120 put these back where the scissors go. The scissors don't 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.200 go here, he should put them back. And it's just 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:14.360 slowly made me realize, like, oh, that's only driving me crazy. 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:16.600 Like if I want the scissors to be in a 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.440 certain place, I'll put him there. And the more I 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.600 waste time on wishing he would do the stuff, that's 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:25.799 the way I want it. I'm that's like completely like 0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:29.000 drained energy that went nowhere. I can just put them 0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:31.799 where I want him to be and then like we 0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:33.839 have a peaceful home, Like I'm the one who wants 0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:35.759 it to be like this, so I'm gonna make it 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:37.759 like this, And I think that's how we have to 0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:40.640 be in our souls, in our homes, in our cities, 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:47.160 and in our countries. Like, honestly, I think that's a 0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:48.759 great place to end. We're gonna take a quick break 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:50.680 when we come back. I got propped back with me. 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:52.880 Holly still here, and we're talking about the soul of 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:56.719 a nation. Don't go anywhere I was up. We are back. 0:48:56.760 --> 0:48:58.440 This is let's get into it. And now I have 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.000 Holly and prop with me and we are talking about 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:04.040 the soul of a nation. But first I want to 0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:07.000 know for you and maybe for the listener elsewhere, with 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:09.120 all of this uncertainty, with all of this, you know 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:11.640 you'll have protests. You know, everybody was getting ready for 0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:14.760 protests on either side. No matter the outcome of the election, 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.480 there is still a lot of negative energy in the air. 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:19.799 There's still a lot of uncertainty in the air, a 0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.759 lot of instability. What are the best places that we 0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:29.520 can find joy? Oh? Do you have it? Man? Um? 0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:32.840 I just think man, like, uh, family, you know what 0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:36.680 I'm saying, Like things that you enjoy. I think that, 0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:39.120 like you know, if you have like some sort of 0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:42.719 like spirituality, like you know, leaning into that. I just 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:46.799 think ultimately, like for me, it's been the mindset of 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.000 the permission to check out, you know what I'm saying, 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:55.960 like giving myself the permission to do something brainless, you know. Um. 0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:59.759 And also as a person of color, like I always say, 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:03.520 like I need to go do black shit. Whether it's 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:07.319 like you know, just barbecue, funk music, you know, so 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:10.560 whatever it is, you know what I'm saying, Like, whatever 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:12.319 it is that feeds you sold. My wife is first 0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:14.680 gin so she's first in Mexican. So for her it's 0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:18.320 like Combia, She's gonna go do, She's gonna go, you 0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:21.560 know what I'm saying. Like and my house and my 0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:23.640 house turns into all Spanish, you know what? I'm saying, 0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:25.799 it's like if feeds are soul, you know, so in 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:28.560 my mind, I'm like, you know, yeah, identify that stuff, 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.440 give yourself permission and just like and make space for it, 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:34.160 like put it on your calendar when somebody's like, yeah, 0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:38.480 like from twelve to four, I'm busy. I'm busy doing nothing. 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:42.120 I love I love that, man. I think that's really 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:43.960 truly what it is. I think getting in tune with 0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.040 the things that make you happy, whether it's something as 0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:48.960 big as celebrating with your family or being with your family, 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:50.880 or if it's something as easy as like a milkshake 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.520 or a popcorn in a funny movie, or you know, 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:56.160 a joint or a little a little martini or whatever 0:50:56.200 --> 0:51:00.000 it is. Yes, yes, I have been noticing. I've been 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:04.920 uh telling myself. I've been calling it like snapshot where 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.880 I'm like spinning in some kind of anxiety or playing 0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:11.120 out some like potential thing that could happen or go 0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:14.239 wrong or whatever. And if I just pull back and 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:16.200 I say, if somebody took a picture of me right 0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:19.560 now and I studied the picture, what do I see, Like, 0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:22.799 what's the snapshot? I'm actually living in Okay, regardless of 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:25.360 where my mind is spinning out and my anxiety is 0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:28.600 taking me. If I had to describe the snapshot of 0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:31.919 the picture I am currently in, like wow, look where 0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:36.360 I am, Like it's it's beautiful outside, I have food 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.880 in my refrigerator, I have clothes on my back, and 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:41.680 I have the ability to reach out to the people 0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:43.920 that I love and send them light and love like 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:45.640 I've been trying to do that right now and all 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:49.239 the uncertainty, like this week particularly, is when I feel 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:51.120 the most despair, I just pick up my phone and 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:55.120 I send like a text to someone that I'm thinking 0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:57.279 of and just say I'm sending you light and love, 0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:04.040 like just my I'm trying to uh, we are vibrating 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:08.960 all the time. So um that gratitude that prop was 0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:12.600 talking about of like count my blessings. Look at the 0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:16.880 snapshot I'm actually living in and I've been and the 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:20.120 snapshot has changed before, Like this summer, I was at 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:26.160 the corner of Kwanga and Hollywood Boulevard when UM cops 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:28.960 in riot gear started like setting off flashbangs and like 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:32.120 attacking like peaceful protesters, and I was running for my 0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:35.919 life and seeing things that with my own eyes where 0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:38.920 I was like, oh my god, the snapshot I'm in 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:41.600 is like, holy sh it, this is some like the 0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:43.600 images I saw in black and white of like the 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:45.279 civil rights movement, if John Louis and all of a 0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:49.320 sudden like so um. Sometimes the snapshot is like damn, 0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:52.120 this is touch and go. But also I have to 0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:55.239 look at the snapshot of like wow, I'm standing looking 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:58.120 at a sunset and there's a hummingbird, and there's bumblebees, 0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:01.440 and those bumblebees are working three mile radius to make 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:05.360 sure that like cherries get like right right right for 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:08.960 you know, and and and so I think that snapshot 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:12.439 and trying to send little vibrations of love and and 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:16.000 not dealing in should but just being like, what's under 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:19.719 my control, that's all we can do. I love that. 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:22.839 I love that the snapshot thing. That that's I've never 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:24.640 even thought about life like that, Like if somebody took 0:53:24.640 --> 0:53:26.360 a picture of me right now, Like what would this 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:31.160 this this image be? Um. You guys are both entertainers, 0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:33.920 and you both have a pretty deep relationship with poetry. 0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:37.120 I'm more curious, just for on a personal tip, is 0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.360 there any particular work or poet that's been getting you 0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:42.000 through like this time, Like I know, in the midst 0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:44.239 of all of the racial injustice stuff, like I really 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:46.960 swayed to Sam Cook and I was listening to everything, 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:49.560 you know, lots of lots of music that was really 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:54.960 of the time then that was dealing with true, uh issues. 0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:57.759 And then I would listen to everything from One Man 0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:00.760 Can Change the World, the Big Sean and Legend record 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:04.640 that came around when when Obama was um running for president, 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:06.160 and you have all of these songs that are really 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:08.040 like important. So as a musician that really spoke to 0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.920 my heart. UM. I don't have such a deep relationship 0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:13.840 with poetry, but I was interested if if either of 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:15.680 you guys had a specific work or a poet or 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:18.120 even another artist that's been that that got you through 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:23.360 um that time or more specifically like this time of uncertainty. 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:27.000 Definitely one of my one of my all time favorites 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:29.520 is Mary Oliver, and I've the more I've been in 0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:31.959 her poetry this week, the more I've realized how much 0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:34.680 she went into nature for her own sanity. That was 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:38.600 her way of kind of like handling her anxiety. And Um, 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.400 I all week I've been saying the beginning of one 0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:44.359 of her poems that honestly is life changing to me 0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:47.200 is It's called Wild Geese by Mary Oliver, and the 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.400 beginning of it is exactly what we're talking about today. 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:53.319 She says, you do not have to be good. You 0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:55.160 do not have to walk on your knees for a 0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:59.080 hundred miles through the desert repenting. You only have to 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:06.759 let the soft animal of your body love what it loves. Oh, 0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:11.080 it goes on, like on the end of the podcast. 0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:17.640 I'm not saying nothing after that. Boy, let's just I 0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:19.319 need you to say that bit again. I don't think 0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:21.480 anybody's ready for more. I think we just need to 0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:25.080 really sit and marinade with that first half. Yeah, it's 0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:27.320 and and there's a whole second half of the poem 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:30.799 and like, but but for me, especially again growing up 0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:35.480 female being so deeply ingrained in me to stay small 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:38.920 and quiet and subservient and kind and good natured, and 0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:41.279 to take care of everyone's needs before my own, and 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.880 all of those things that are built into girls like 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:46.960 to hear. That word, to me is a revolutionary phrase. 0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:49.000 You do not have to be good. You do not 0:55:49.160 --> 0:55:51.600 have to be good. You do not have to be good. 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:55.160 The irony of this poem is that it's excellent. She 0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:58.799 is excellent, like she's so good at it. But like, 0:55:58.880 --> 0:56:01.520 you do not have to be good you. You do 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:03.280 not have to walk on your knees for a hundred 0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:05.879 miles through the desert repenting. You only have to let 0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:09.120 the soft animal of your body love what it loves. 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:11.799 Tell me about your despair yours, and I will tell 0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:14.919 you mine. Meanwhile, the wild geese high in the clean 0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:17.359 blue air are heading home again, like I'll stop again, 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:21.920 but it keeps going. But the reason it's so important 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:24.959 to listen to your body and your anger is that 0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:28.960 that soft animal of your body that your consciousness is 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:33.120 dwelling inside of right now, is full of information. So 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:37.600 that letting your body love what it loves also takes 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:40.799 us to our values, which shows us the fight, which 0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:44.360 shows us our next step forward. And the term soft 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:48.239 animal is like insane, because it's really truly you break 0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:51.120 this outer shell that we've either been raised to have, 0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:54.359 or that it's been passed down inherently, or it's been 0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:57.680 something that we picked up because of what's happened to us, 0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:00.400 you know, externally, and now we have the shell. You 0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:02.560 cracked that shell, and that's why I love the soft 0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:04.600 animal reminds me of when you like you bite into 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:07.080 a rollo or you bite into like you know, like 0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:10.040 you kiss with Karmen and you bite that outer shell 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.080 and then you're inside and it's just like a nice 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:15.160 warm So that's that that's beautiful with This is not 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:18.800 a poetry you know, this isn't a poetry review podcast, 0:57:18.880 --> 0:57:23.200 but it might be soon to get because I because 0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.880 I will literally just sit in that poem with you 0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:28.000 for the next hour. I'm going to try and bring 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:32.520 us back to where we are today. UM. Biden called 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:34.560 this campaign the soul of the nation, which I think 0:57:34.640 --> 0:57:37.919 is like, I think it's beautiful because it's really what 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:40.520 we were fighting for, is the soul of this nation, 0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:44.080 which you had mentioned it and prohaps mentioned it so far. 0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:47.480 The system was never broken, The system was never blank. 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:53.360 The soul was just different. The soul was just it was. 0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:55.400 It was working exactly the way it was planned. And 0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:57.000 that's why I love this, this term the soul of 0:57:57.040 --> 0:58:00.480 the nation, because what we were voting for, more than 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:03.920 the President, more than Senate, more than propositions, was this 0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:06.480 soul of the nation. Who are we going to be 0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:12.040 moving forward? Um? I also know that it's almost the holidays, 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:13.959 and I know that there's a lot of family time 0:58:13.960 --> 0:58:15.960 that we're going to be spending, and I know that 0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:18.280 there's a lot of Luckily, I have an incredible family 0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:20.520 and we all share views, but there's a lot of 0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:24.520 family members who are going to be spending the holidays with. UM. Actually, 0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:28.040 Catherine and Holly, we're all um and and proper. I 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:30.240 don't know if if this fits you as well, but 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:32.520 we were talking before you got on that all three 0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:36.520 of us were raised, you know, in in very conservative upbringings. 0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:39.440 I was raised in Arizona, and Catherine and Holly were 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:44.600 raised in in Chicago, which um, as diverse as it 0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:48.919 is as a city, still Middle America, still very conservative. 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:50.920 UM So, my my question for the both of you 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:54.360 is because I can't help but think about how many 0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:57.000 people are going to be spending time with somebody who 0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:59.400 maybe a month ago would be protesting directly on the 0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:03.240 opposite side of the front lines. Can we get along 0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:06.479 with with anybody you know with family members or friends 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:09.959 who have openly racist or damaging views or voted for 0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:13.600 Donald Trump? Can we and and and should we even 0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:20.760 try to? Wow? It's hard man, Yeah, that's why did 0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:25.000 you guys here. Yeah. Man, I just think I think 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:30.120 it's so complicated, right because like, um, my family, my 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:34.400 father was a black panther, so there's that, and uh 0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:40.800 so we were you know, we're Christians, you know what 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:43.480 I'm saying. Our our our home, you know what I'm saying, 0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:47.920 but very far from conservative, you know what I'm saying. 0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:51.760 So it's always interesting when I say, yeah, I come 0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:54.720 from like my family's Christian. I'm like, but I mean 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:58.880 something very different than you probably do, yo saying. Uh, 0:59:59.080 --> 1:00:01.040 you know what I'm saying. I mean like Martin Luther 1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:03.600 King's was a pastor, you know what I'm saying. Like, 1:00:03.680 --> 1:00:05.800 so when I say Christian, I mean that you know 1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:09.280 what I mean. Um, you know so that said, you know, 1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:13.600 obviously like the LGBTQ situation comes up and it gets 1:00:13.720 --> 1:00:17.440 kind of uncomfortable in our home when we start pushing 1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:22.200 back and stuff like that. Yeah, I man, I just 1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:26.760 I think that there's a reality of like when you 1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:30.360 know you're on the right side of history, Um, which 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:34.240 I think in this situation is pretty clear. It's like 1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:43.720 it now is on us too. Somehow appeal to the 1:00:43.800 --> 1:00:49.000 higher nature inside of that person buried under a gang 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:53.800 of fear and pain and misinformation, which is what um, 1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:55.920 which Holly you would kind of mentioned, and is like 1:00:56.200 --> 1:01:01.400 we built you're they're building safeguards around owned the fear 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:06.560 of losing something. You know what I'm saying, Um, that 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:11.240 that you know, for us, it's like somehow, somehow a 1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:16.720 march towards equality, somehow equals a loss of privilege for 1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:19.960 those who've been on top, you know what I'm saying, Um, 1:01:20.120 --> 1:01:22.480 And it's it's now like I said, it's it's incumbent 1:01:22.520 --> 1:01:27.080 on us to go, Hey, I recognize that you're afraid. 1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:31.160 You know what I'm saying, Um, You're afraid that you're 1:01:31.320 --> 1:01:36.960 losing something, and that is a valid We all are 1:01:37.280 --> 1:01:41.400 afraid of losing something. Now are you in fact losing 1:01:41.400 --> 1:01:44.040 it is a different situation, you know what I'm saying, 1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:46.440 Like you're not you know what I'm saying, Like this 1:01:46.440 --> 1:01:49.440 is a lyric in my songs, like you know, equalities oppression. 1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:51.520 If all you know it's privileged, you know what I'm saying. 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:54.080 So like if that's all you know, then it feels 1:01:54.080 --> 1:01:57.200 like oppression, you know what I'm saying. But like, yeah, 1:01:57.280 --> 1:01:59.080 it's like it's one of those things to where it's 1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:02.920 like you you have to have the wisdom. It's unfortunate, 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:05.320 but this is just the the burden of being on 1:02:05.360 --> 1:02:07.440 the right side of history is just being like, I 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:12.280 have to navigate a higher conversation than this person is 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:14.880 desiring for me to get into. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1:02:15.280 --> 1:02:17.919 I'm not like so for me, it's like like you said, 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:21.760 like I'm not gonna not gonna debate you. You know 1:02:21.760 --> 1:02:24.880 what I'm saying because most of the time, especially now, 1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:27.040 like uh, you know Holly was saying to like this 1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:31.120 fear of of of this silo is so it's a 1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:36.320 sealed off ecosystem that like there's no amount of reasoning. 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:39.760 I can't pierce it like it' said. You know, there's 1:02:39.760 --> 1:02:43.240 no numbers, there's no facts, there's no grounding in reality 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:46.640 that could make that could pierce into your world. So 1:02:47.200 --> 1:02:49.560 I'd rather pull back and say, hey, dude, like I 1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:55.760 it sounds like you're afraid of losing something that you 1:02:55.840 --> 1:03:00.560 hold dear. And I'm like, yo, so am I you 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:02.760 know what I'm saying, I don't want to lose something 1:03:02.800 --> 1:03:06.840 I hold dear, which is my actual physical life. Right. 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:10.240 I got a question that actually feeds directly to that 1:03:10.360 --> 1:03:14.320 exact conversation that you're talking about having um and and 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:17.320 and it's written down right here. It's like convictions are convictions? 1:03:17.800 --> 1:03:20.400 Do you think that the way that you would the 1:03:20.400 --> 1:03:22.280 way that you addressed it, I think is is incredible, 1:03:22.360 --> 1:03:24.280 especially for that conversation. Is look, you, I know that 1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:26.720 you're afraid of losing something. I I too am afraid 1:03:26.720 --> 1:03:29.040 of losing something. But at the end of the day, 1:03:29.040 --> 1:03:32.480 do you think that people who are just completely convinced 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:36.720 who's whose privilege or whose equality feels like oppression because 1:03:36.720 --> 1:03:39.840 all they know is privileged like you had mentioned um, 1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:41.680 do you think that they have that there's still a 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:44.360 chance that those minds can change or are you kind 1:03:44.360 --> 1:03:47.480 of do you feel like a conviction on the just convictions? 1:03:47.720 --> 1:03:49.440 Now I'm on the I'm on the holly side. I 1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:52.960 think that like I can't that's something that like that's 1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:55.439 an alchemy I can't control, you know what I'm saying, 1:03:55.480 --> 1:03:57.440 Like I don't know, you know what I mean. I 1:03:57.520 --> 1:03:59.760 know that my mind has changed in a lot of ways. 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:01.760 You know what I'm saying. I know that I'm not 1:04:02.360 --> 1:04:03.720 I don't think the way I did when I was 1:04:03.760 --> 1:04:06.280 twenty you know what I'm saying, And that was experience 1:04:06.480 --> 1:04:09.360 and learning and meeting new people and understanding and traveling 1:04:09.360 --> 1:04:13.240 the world and just being like, oh yeah, I got 1:04:13.240 --> 1:04:16.200 exposed to things that made me know better. You know 1:04:16.200 --> 1:04:20.360 what I'm saying, Um that the dissolving of the psyche 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:22.360 to reimagine it, you know what I'm saying, Like I 1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:24.160 went through that. You know what I mean. I think 1:04:24.200 --> 1:04:28.320 that it's unfortunate when a person is not willing to 1:04:28.360 --> 1:04:30.960 do it, but it's also I also understand it's painful, 1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:33.600 Like you know, I'm I'm asking you, like, like, if 1:04:33.600 --> 1:04:35.400 you think about a person like you said that milk 1:04:35.440 --> 1:04:37.840 toast person, what I'm asking you to do is say 1:04:37.960 --> 1:04:41.080 everything you learned about your nation's origin stories is bullshit, 1:04:41.600 --> 1:04:45.000 all of it. That's that. That's a that's a statement. 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:47.800 You know what I'm saying, Like, No, that's all bullshit. 1:04:47.840 --> 1:04:50.560 Everything you know is reality's bullshit? Like what you know 1:04:50.560 --> 1:04:53.680 what I'm saying? Like, so I know what I'm asking 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:56.600 of you. You know what I'm saying. And so for me, 1:04:57.240 --> 1:05:01.200 I'm like, I am not sitting at old Thanksgiving table 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:06.040 to convince nobody of anything. What I am doing is 1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:09.840 I'm loving my uncle. And if my uncle, if my 1:05:09.920 --> 1:05:12.560 uncle want to be an asshole, I mean, my uncle's 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:15.720 an asshole. Like I don't know what you want me 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:19.600 to say, like the asshole. Yeah, but but I but 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:24.120 I will say again uncle, my uncle, he's scared. You 1:05:24.120 --> 1:05:25.600 know what I'm saying. I got, I got you know, 1:05:25.600 --> 1:05:27.480 I got family member like in and out of jail 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:30.280 that I look at them like what did you doing? Man? 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:34.120 Like just you? I mean, I'm following. I logically understand 1:05:34.120 --> 1:05:36.720 your train of thought, but this is ridiculous, bro, Like 1:05:36.760 --> 1:05:38.800 you don't. You don't have to live this way. You 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:41.560 know what I'm saying that said, let me get some 1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:45.280 of them, Kyla Green's my one request is let's not 1:05:45.320 --> 1:05:48.040 do any of the arguing at the Thanksgiving table, because 1:05:48.120 --> 1:05:51.720 like there's some people there who who might just want 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:54.480 to be eating dinner and and and that's where if 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:56.600 you want to have your arguments, do them outside because 1:05:56.680 --> 1:06:00.320 like for me, I'm saying, if I'm having my meal 1:06:00.560 --> 1:06:03.120 and then somebody interrupts it by trying to come up 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:06.040 with some crazy conspiracy theories or any of that, I'm 1:06:06.080 --> 1:06:08.080 gonna be really upset because I've waited all year for 1:06:08.120 --> 1:06:11.840 Thanksgiving and my mom only makes cream corn once and 1:06:11.880 --> 1:06:15.600 that's my mom, that's my moment. So don't take that 1:06:15.640 --> 1:06:20.040 away from Holly. I have a question for you, Um, 1:06:20.120 --> 1:06:23.200 and I think just because and we're still seeing it now. 1:06:23.640 --> 1:06:26.280 You know, in over the last four years, we've seen 1:06:26.320 --> 1:06:30.920 that the dangerous rhetoric nationalism, Trump is um, conspiracy theories, 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:33.680 racism have all kind of been opened, like the gates 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:36.600 to that being an okay thing to have, like to 1:06:36.600 --> 1:06:39.280 to be a part of your life. It's been opened 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:41.520 and accepted a lot more than I would hope, and 1:06:41.560 --> 1:06:43.480 I think that a lot of us would hope now 1:06:43.520 --> 1:06:47.080 that hopefully we are starting to turn a corner. Do 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:49.000 you still feel like things like that are going to 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:50.920 be diminished? You know, like there's some people who are 1:06:50.960 --> 1:06:53.080 thinking Trump's gonna start his own news channel if it 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:55.480 doesn't work, and then he's gonna just kind of create 1:06:55.560 --> 1:06:59.680 this this even to the right of Fox News type 1:06:59.680 --> 1:07:03.760 of thing. Ing, Uh, where where do you think we're 1:07:03.760 --> 1:07:05.720 gonna turn with all of this? Because for the last 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:09.240 four or five years, we've tried on the on the 1:07:09.320 --> 1:07:12.200 right side of history. We've tried to let them say 1:07:12.280 --> 1:07:14.160 what they want, and we just take it on the chin. 1:07:14.320 --> 1:07:15.760 But then it got to a point where we had 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:17.480 no choice. Like I think that it got to a 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:19.480 point where there is no choice because they were they 1:07:19.480 --> 1:07:23.920 were coming down with such heaviness in their conspiracy theories, 1:07:23.960 --> 1:07:27.240 in their nationalism, and the racism in the in the 1:07:27.360 --> 1:07:31.520 damaging rhetoric. Uh. Do you think that as we're turning 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:35.240 this corner with hopefully um you know, Joe Biden winning 1:07:35.240 --> 1:07:40.040 this presidency and hopefully us making that a cornerstone of 1:07:40.040 --> 1:07:43.240 of change. Uh, do you think that that's gonna die down? 1:07:43.320 --> 1:07:44.720 Do you think it's gonna go up? What can we 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:48.480 do about it? I think it's gonna go up. I 1:07:48.480 --> 1:07:52.840 think it's gonna get way worse before it gets better. Unfortunately. Yeah, 1:07:52.960 --> 1:07:55.120 And I think it's what Props said to at the 1:07:55.200 --> 1:08:00.400 end of the day, it's it's really going to be like, well, 1:08:01.120 --> 1:08:03.240 I think that's powerful what you said prop about, Like, well, 1:08:03.280 --> 1:08:06.640 I love my uncle. He might have dick head views, 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:10.000 but I'm going to I'm going to continue to behave 1:08:10.040 --> 1:08:11.919 in a loving way to him. I one time heard 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:15.400 someone say something about like the way a parent is 1:08:15.440 --> 1:08:17.880 to a child when a child starts losing it ship. 1:08:17.960 --> 1:08:20.280 A lot of times the parents is like, oh, you're 1:08:20.320 --> 1:08:22.960 so tired. You you didn't I know actually that you 1:08:22.960 --> 1:08:25.160 didn't get your nap today or you didn't sleep last night. 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:29.080 You're so tired. The parents like looks for the most 1:08:29.160 --> 1:08:33.840 gracious explanation for that behavior, and and and why don't 1:08:33.880 --> 1:08:37.320 we do that like with our partners, with our spouses, 1:08:37.360 --> 1:08:40.439 with our wives, like when our when our when our spouse, 1:08:40.960 --> 1:08:44.160 you know, behaves like an asshole? Why aren't we like, oh, 1:08:44.200 --> 1:08:46.920 exactly what prop is saying? Like, Oh you're tired, Oh 1:08:46.960 --> 1:08:51.439 you're scared, like I look at um. The last few weeks, 1:08:51.479 --> 1:08:54.719 I've had almost no contact with my family. My parents 1:08:54.720 --> 1:08:58.160 are big Trump supporters, and it is so deeply painful 1:08:58.160 --> 1:09:00.479 to me, and has been for four years. I walk 1:09:00.600 --> 1:09:03.640 every day like trying to pen the perfect letter, to 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:07.120 craft the perfect argument to show them the light too, 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:10.400 like and and it's all been such wasted energy. And 1:09:10.439 --> 1:09:12.479 what's happened over these last four years is that our 1:09:12.479 --> 1:09:16.320 relationship has grown really, really distant. And it hit me 1:09:16.800 --> 1:09:19.200 this week. While we've been waiting for the outcome, I've 1:09:19.240 --> 1:09:21.960 had the thoughts several times like, well, I'm just gonna 1:09:21.960 --> 1:09:24.720 wait and see how this goes before I contact my 1:09:24.760 --> 1:09:27.679 parents so that I know what landscape I'm living in 1:09:27.800 --> 1:09:30.680 before the call, And then it hit me like a 1:09:30.680 --> 1:09:33.400 ton of bricks where I was like, oh, wait, am 1:09:33.439 --> 1:09:37.040 I that sore of a loser that like I gotta 1:09:37.120 --> 1:09:40.000 wait and see, like did things go my way? Cool? 1:09:40.040 --> 1:09:41.760 I'm going to call you and be cool. And then 1:09:41.760 --> 1:09:43.680 it makes me look at this last four years and like, 1:09:44.200 --> 1:09:46.920 WHOA was I that bad of a loser that for 1:09:47.000 --> 1:09:49.920 four years I have let distance grow in this relationship 1:09:49.960 --> 1:09:53.240 and my confusion at how you can be these one 1:09:53.320 --> 1:09:55.840 issue voters and the way that it It makes me 1:09:56.000 --> 1:09:59.600 feel ashamed of my legacy and sad and disappointed in 1:09:59.680 --> 1:10:03.599 you as people that you that you aren't more critical thinkers, 1:10:03.640 --> 1:10:06.400 that you're not fighting for the information. But again it 1:10:06.439 --> 1:10:10.240 goes back to like that's me being out of my mind. 1:10:10.479 --> 1:10:13.120 I'm trying to be inside their minds, tinkering with how 1:10:13.160 --> 1:10:15.720 they're thinking. When I have to come back into my 1:10:15.800 --> 1:10:18.800 mind and instead of living out of my mind, be 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:22.920 in my mind and be like, oh wow, I was 1:10:22.960 --> 1:10:26.000 a bad loser. I'm going to be more gracious and 1:10:26.080 --> 1:10:30.920 loving and reach out once I have like like like 1:10:30.960 --> 1:10:33.240 you said, like Game one went bad but like now 1:10:33.280 --> 1:10:36.479 with the series, if if the series is like three 1:10:36.520 --> 1:10:38.960 one or something like now I'm gonna call I'm feeling, 1:10:39.439 --> 1:10:42.960 you know, and that being said to I've had the 1:10:43.040 --> 1:10:45.559 thought before. Honestly, I've had the thought, you know, because 1:10:45.600 --> 1:10:48.200 you can do tinktures and stuff of cannabis, and um, 1:10:48.479 --> 1:10:50.599 I've like I've thought of just putting a little bit 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:53.400 of cannabis and all of the Thanksgiving dishes, you know, 1:10:53.520 --> 1:10:56.800 like in the without them knowing, and I'm like, this 1:10:56.880 --> 1:11:02.920 could go great, and this may be the only that, like, 1:11:03.439 --> 1:11:06.720 you know, what might save Thanksgiving. You're starting to give 1:11:06.760 --> 1:11:09.920 me some ideas, Holly, at to give me a little 1:11:09.920 --> 1:11:14.000 bit ideas, Holly, if it's undetectable and all of a sudden, 1:11:14.040 --> 1:11:17.360 they're just like everybody's really chill, laughing, having a good 1:11:17.360 --> 1:11:20.360 time and like lighthearted and remembering like, oh wait, I 1:11:20.439 --> 1:11:23.040 love all these people. You run out of thanks you. 1:11:23.120 --> 1:11:24.920 The only thing that happens then, though, is you run 1:11:24.920 --> 1:11:27.720 out of food, and then people get angry because the 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:31.600 munchies kicking you go at home. But the end, everybody's 1:11:31.640 --> 1:11:35.680 asleep on the couch at this point. Um, My only 1:11:35.760 --> 1:11:37.559 question that I have and it's it's for both of you, 1:11:37.720 --> 1:11:41.479 is is Listen, I think if we were talking about, 1:11:41.600 --> 1:11:45.960 you know, twelve election, right, and you're at Thanksgiving after 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:49.719 the twelve election, and it was Mitt Romney versus Obama, 1:11:49.760 --> 1:11:52.280 but it was just like it was it was realistic, 1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:54.519 like and and for lack of better term, it was 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:57.439 just politics. Right, How do you How does that does 1:11:57.439 --> 1:11:59.880 that change at all? Though? Because, like I listened to 1:12:00.000 --> 1:12:02.120 when I think about you saying like you're a sore 1:12:02.160 --> 1:12:05.240 loser because you're only talking to them once your guy wins. 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:08.880 But at the same time, I'd like to think that 1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:12.480 Joe Biden potentially sorry I keep knocking on, would um 1:12:12.479 --> 1:12:15.880 potentially winning this election means a lot more to me 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:18.920 than just my guy one, you know what I mean? Like, then, 1:12:19.000 --> 1:12:22.439 so does it change at all to either of you 1:12:22.920 --> 1:12:24.880 in the sense of because I totally get it. I 1:12:24.920 --> 1:12:26.960 am the same exact where it's like, if you're down 1:12:27.000 --> 1:12:29.519 to zero in in the playoffs. I know we keep 1:12:29.520 --> 1:12:33.000 making sports like sports analogies, but if you're down to 1:12:33.240 --> 1:12:35.960 zero in the playoffs, you're not saying anything. But once 1:12:35.960 --> 1:12:38.519 you're up three two in the playoffs, you're talking. You're 1:12:38.560 --> 1:12:41.280 talking all of this ship in the world and so 1:12:42.520 --> 1:12:45.559 I think in my own opinion and maybe I'm wrong, 1:12:46.360 --> 1:12:50.040 that's different to me than what is what this is now? 1:12:50.360 --> 1:12:52.680 I I mean because again, to me, a part of 1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:54.519 it is like the way that I see it is 1:12:54.560 --> 1:12:58.479 like the backlash to Trump is love. And so maybe 1:12:58.479 --> 1:13:00.639 you don't, you know, in my mind is like maybe 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:02.519 you're not calling your mom and your dad and you're like, 1:13:02.600 --> 1:13:08.240 guess what, losers, But you're saying like, hey, I know 1:13:08.280 --> 1:13:10.680 that this has been a really divided time and and 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:12.559 I don't want to call because like not I'm not 1:13:12.560 --> 1:13:15.400 trying to be you're you know, you're take family therapist. 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:17.240 But like that's the only thing I was thinking as 1:13:17.240 --> 1:13:19.720 you're saying that is like to me, I was kind 1:13:19.720 --> 1:13:21.800 of thinking, like, give yourself a break, because you're not 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:26.879 just saying you're not mad that that that Romney beat Obama. 1:13:27.040 --> 1:13:30.840 You're you were mad that we we voted in something 1:13:30.880 --> 1:13:36.160 that created such a divisive um and just separating kind 1:13:36.160 --> 1:13:39.760 of negativity. Yo, I'd say this, I'd say this, dude. 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:43.160 It's like, Okay, so obviously there's like there's ditches on 1:13:43.200 --> 1:13:45.680 both sides of the roads, right, There's there's silos in 1:13:45.760 --> 1:13:50.480 both you know, spheres of super progressive or super conservative. 1:13:50.479 --> 1:13:54.080 They're they're silos, and there's problems in both of our circles, 1:13:54.160 --> 1:13:57.799 right Uh, At the same time, there is a big difference. 1:13:57.920 --> 1:14:01.280 Like you know, at least in in the world I 1:14:01.320 --> 1:14:05.120 exist in. Nobody see Biden as like to come in Messiah, 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:08.000 Like he's not gonna like he's not gonna save the world. 1:14:08.080 --> 1:14:09.840 You understand what I'm saying, Like we are under no 1:14:09.960 --> 1:14:13.040 delusion for that. So there's no like Biden cult. So 1:14:13.080 --> 1:14:16.800 I think that like with that, with that said, I 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:21.360 think that, um, what we can do is like remember that, 1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:25.439 like culture is made up, and it's made up by us, right, So, 1:14:25.560 --> 1:14:29.800 like like Trump, Trump tapped into an angst that was 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:33.120 already there and he turned up the fire. You feel me, 1:14:33.360 --> 1:14:36.840 So it's our turn now if we are the people 1:14:36.880 --> 1:14:39.479 in if we're gonna say the people on top, if 1:14:39.479 --> 1:14:42.439 you wich is a stupid like metaphor because it's one nation, 1:14:42.479 --> 1:14:44.479 you know what I'm saying. But like if we if 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:47.920 we are that, then what we get to do is say, hey, 1:14:48.200 --> 1:14:50.360 you just gave us control. We're going to turn the 1:14:50.400 --> 1:14:53.800 fire down a little bit and just say here's here's 1:14:53.800 --> 1:14:56.160 how we're looking at this He's just a man, He's 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:59.759 just a person, a part of a longer history. Um, 1:14:59.840 --> 1:15:03.000 we are hoping to see people's lives get better. I'm 1:15:03.040 --> 1:15:04.720 not gonna you know what I'm saying, Like that's what 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:07.320 was weird. That's I think one of the unique things 1:15:07.320 --> 1:15:10.839 about this Trump situation was like like they were sore winners. 1:15:11.160 --> 1:15:13.360 I never never meant nobody that was a sore winner. 1:15:13.760 --> 1:15:16.320 Like what I'm saying, like like for you one, like 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:18.240 why are you acting like this? You know what I'm saying. 1:15:18.280 --> 1:15:20.240 So I just think that like there's a way that 1:15:20.800 --> 1:15:22.600 you know, if we get to set the temperature of 1:15:22.600 --> 1:15:25.559 the room, which we do because that's how temperature is made, 1:15:25.600 --> 1:15:29.280 we make it so then so so rather than make predictors, 1:15:29.439 --> 1:15:32.080 let's just be you know what I'm saying, what we're 1:15:32.120 --> 1:15:34.759 looking for and just being like I'm gonna set the tone, 1:15:34.880 --> 1:15:37.240 like you're going back to like the uh the like 1:15:37.360 --> 1:15:40.559 parents situations, but like I get to set the tone, 1:15:40.680 --> 1:15:42.240 you know what I'm saying, Like if my if my 1:15:42.320 --> 1:15:45.360 five year old is spiraling out of control, that's ridiculous 1:15:45.439 --> 1:15:47.479 to let me go in there and spiral with her 1:15:48.120 --> 1:15:51.920 like no, like you five, you know what I'm saying like, 1:15:52.280 --> 1:15:55.519 let me, I'm gonna set the tone here, you know 1:15:55.560 --> 1:15:57.880 what I'm saying, and it but it again, it takes 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:02.840 the work on on myself, the willing to look myself 1:16:02.840 --> 1:16:05.320 in the face, like like Holly just said, it was like, yo, 1:16:05.400 --> 1:16:07.759 she looked herself in the face, Like dog, I'm actually 1:16:07.840 --> 1:16:09.400 kind of guilty of this, you know what I'm saying, 1:16:09.720 --> 1:16:12.400 and like willing to like do that work. I think 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:15.400 that that's the call now, is like yo, do that work, 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:18.280 do that homework. Where where are your blind spots? Where 1:16:18.280 --> 1:16:20.040 are those things? So when you walk into a room 1:16:20.080 --> 1:16:23.040 that you already know it's toxic, you understand what I'm saying. 1:16:23.360 --> 1:16:27.840 And because it's clearly toxic, and like even even among conservatives, 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:30.519 like I'm even looking at like the GOP, which is 1:16:30.800 --> 1:16:33.360 um as a long answer, but like what I look at, 1:16:33.400 --> 1:16:35.040 like what the GOLP is doing, Like I do a 1:16:35.040 --> 1:16:37.200 pod call hood politics too, because I just I just 1:16:37.200 --> 1:16:39.120 think that like politics is really just gang banging in 1:16:39.200 --> 1:16:42.760 nice suits, like y'all just gang bang. So like so 1:16:42.760 --> 1:16:45.000 so when I look at the GOP, I'm like, Okay, 1:16:45.000 --> 1:16:46.680 the boss is going down, right, So what are you 1:16:46.720 --> 1:16:48.360 gonna do? You're gonna go down with the boss. He's 1:16:48.360 --> 1:16:49.960 gonna die, You're gonna go to You're gonna go to 1:16:50.040 --> 1:16:52.600 jail with him? Or are you gonna cut ties and 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:55.640 try to set yourself up for the next boss. I 1:16:55.720 --> 1:16:58.080 started acting like, oh well, I ain't never really ride 1:16:58.080 --> 1:17:01.439 with him anyway, you know. And if you the go op, 1:17:01.680 --> 1:17:03.600 you was like, look, we got what we needed. We 1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:06.120 got we we was on top. We got a couple 1:17:06.120 --> 1:17:09.480 of Senate seats, we got three three Supreme Court sissies 1:17:09.800 --> 1:17:12.439 were good Trump. You know what I'm saying, Like they 1:17:12.479 --> 1:17:14.840 got what they needed because the hood stands, you know, 1:17:14.960 --> 1:17:17.800 saying they're like, we'll rebrand later, We'll be fine. You 1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:21.120 understand what I'm saying. So I know with within that 1:17:21.160 --> 1:17:25.360 conservative because you and I have lived coincided with conservatives 1:17:25.840 --> 1:17:30.360 four years, you're saying, we like we've lived with these 1:17:30.400 --> 1:17:34.559 people forever, you know. And so now I get to go, Okay, 1:17:34.560 --> 1:17:38.120 So I know in there somewhere is a logical human 1:17:38.160 --> 1:17:41.920 being that just wants to see the that just has 1:17:42.040 --> 1:17:45.560 different a different solution for how we could get to 1:17:46.479 --> 1:17:48.479 or have a different path to the same solution. Like 1:17:48.520 --> 1:17:51.240 I understand that. So and that's the beauty of the system. 1:17:51.240 --> 1:17:52.920 Were posted to pull and tug at each other and 1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:55.920 fight over these different things to get to the best answer. 1:17:56.000 --> 1:17:58.080 That's what we're supposed to be doing. So now I 1:17:58.120 --> 1:18:00.000 feel like we get to make that culture. We get 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:01.960 to say, Okay, now I'm gonna turn down to fire 1:18:02.040 --> 1:18:04.720 here like, I'm not not here to gas like nobody like. 1:18:04.920 --> 1:18:07.799 It's not that's not the game. That's what was wrong. 1:18:08.600 --> 1:18:11.599 Was just the gas lighting? You wrong. I'm not gonna 1:18:11.600 --> 1:18:14.800 do that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:17.320 I have one last question though, and and it's for 1:18:17.360 --> 1:18:18.680 both of you, and I want both you guys to 1:18:18.680 --> 1:18:21.320 give me an answer because I think it will help, Honestly, 1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:23.479 it'll help with my uncertainty, and I think it will 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:25.559 help with a lot of listeners uncertainty if we're all 1:18:25.640 --> 1:18:28.320 kind of together with it. What are your hopes for 1:18:28.400 --> 1:18:31.120 the next four years as we wait for the answers, 1:18:31.160 --> 1:18:35.280 if they potentially, you know, uh, come out our way. 1:18:35.720 --> 1:18:39.200 I have I have such high hopes. I mean, I 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:41.519 hope we can. I hope we can expand the court. 1:18:41.560 --> 1:18:44.120 I hope we can eliminate the electoral college. I would 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:47.240 like to abolish the applice the police. But if if 1:18:47.280 --> 1:18:49.880 we just have to go for defund whatever reform can 1:18:49.920 --> 1:18:54.879 possibly take place. UM put in protections for voters. Um 1:18:55.000 --> 1:18:58.960 uh undergird black lives matter, like really do the boots 1:18:58.960 --> 1:19:02.800 on the groundwork now? And honestly, UM, my husband works 1:19:02.840 --> 1:19:06.599 with the LGBT Center in Hollywood. They have a group 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:10.040 called the Leadership Lab and they like flipped Orange County 1:19:10.080 --> 1:19:13.320 Ineen and they are about they call it deep canvassing, 1:19:13.320 --> 1:19:15.320 which is based on listening where they go door to 1:19:15.360 --> 1:19:17.759 door and they've been in Pennsylvania for the last month 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:22.000 and look at what Pennsylvania chef's kiss. But like, um, 1:19:22.080 --> 1:19:25.320 their whole essence for their their whole thing is that 1:19:25.400 --> 1:19:29.320 like when you talk to someone, Um, you've never convinced 1:19:29.400 --> 1:19:31.960 someone to change their mind by telling them what you 1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:33.880 think or telling them what you believe is right. Never 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:35.960 it just doesn't work. It's like it's like a high 1:19:35.960 --> 1:19:38.679 school kid who's like stoned in English class, like I'm 1:19:38.680 --> 1:19:40.559 not there to learn, I'm just trying to get through 1:19:40.600 --> 1:19:44.560 the day. So this teachers, like you're the teacher is 1:19:44.560 --> 1:19:46.519 falling on deaf ears. It's like when the student is ready, 1:19:46.560 --> 1:19:49.120 the teacher appears and what they've learned is that the 1:19:49.160 --> 1:19:52.400 only way to affect change through story. And so they 1:19:52.439 --> 1:19:54.840 don't tell anyone why they're at the door. They don't 1:19:54.840 --> 1:19:57.759 tell them who they believe is the better candidate or whatever. 1:19:58.040 --> 1:20:00.760 They ask them questions about their story, worry, and through 1:20:00.800 --> 1:20:03.800 listening to their story, they help that person articulate their 1:20:03.920 --> 1:20:08.040 values and how their vote can um align with their 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:11.839 values and and like Props said, like helping their neighbor, 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:14.880 helping their grandmother, helping their child, my vote can actually 1:20:14.960 --> 1:20:18.000 create change for people. And the only way that we, 1:20:18.840 --> 1:20:22.040 um I think we can do that is through the 1:20:22.080 --> 1:20:25.519 power of story and listening to people's stories and and 1:20:25.560 --> 1:20:28.120 shutting the hell up. Like I've actually I've never learned 1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:31.879 anything by talking, but I've learned almost every time I've listened. 1:20:32.400 --> 1:20:35.280 So maybe we just have to shut the hell up 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:37.840 for a while. I should have been that should have 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:41.240 been campaign plan is just like, hey, everybody, shut the 1:20:41.240 --> 1:20:44.800 hell up for a while. Uh. It has been hard, 1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:47.559 Like looking at the images like on the screen burned 1:20:47.560 --> 1:20:49.680 into my retinas. Now I'm like, man, it's so hard 1:20:49.760 --> 1:20:51.719 to feel excited when it's just it's two old white 1:20:51.720 --> 1:20:54.080 guys Like I don't feel like I'm looking at the future. 1:20:54.400 --> 1:20:57.320 That's not the future. The future is not old white men. 1:20:58.240 --> 1:21:00.160 Thank god, prop what you got for us? Are you 1:21:00.240 --> 1:21:02.439 what are you hoping to see in the next four years? Yeah, 1:21:02.520 --> 1:21:05.920 I think, um, reimagining of like how we relate to 1:21:07.280 --> 1:21:09.599 the planets. Like I'd love to see us get back 1:21:09.600 --> 1:21:12.559 into the Paris Agreement, you know, because we're running out 1:21:12.600 --> 1:21:14.920 of water, Like I just don't understand how the partisan 1:21:15.040 --> 1:21:19.720 issue breathe the air man like so like, uh, I'd 1:21:19.760 --> 1:21:22.240 love to see that. I'd love to see some some 1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:26.880 healthcare change. I'd love to see some defunding of police also, 1:21:27.280 --> 1:21:31.320 you know, um, but I think ultimately, you know, obviously, 1:21:31.400 --> 1:21:33.680 like at some point i'd love to can we can 1:21:33.680 --> 1:21:37.960 we talk about reparations? Can I be can I feel 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:40.760 know I'm saying, uh, but yeah, so, but I think, 1:21:40.800 --> 1:21:43.120 like you know, in the in the from the like 1:21:43.160 --> 1:21:45.760 ten thousand foot perspective, Like I think, like I don't 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:48.439 want to say a return of civility because even during 1:21:48.560 --> 1:21:52.639 civil times, like you know how black people still going 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:55.280 to prison twice as much as everybody else. So it's 1:21:55.320 --> 1:21:57.439 like you're just saying it nicer, you know what I'm saying, 1:21:57.479 --> 1:22:00.760 Like pens. That's like a pincerer in the Trump like 1:22:00.800 --> 1:22:02.680 you just the it's the nice version. You know what 1:22:02.720 --> 1:22:04.559 I'm saying, Like I'm not looking for that, but I 1:22:04.600 --> 1:22:08.800 am looking for somebody to say, like the our congressman 1:22:08.800 --> 1:22:12.120 that got in in California, David Kim, he was he 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:15.400 uses his term like human based economic economics. You know 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:17.080 what I'm saying it where it's like where the matrix 1:22:17.120 --> 1:22:19.040 isn't some like how do we judge how good the 1:22:19.040 --> 1:22:23.360 economy is going? Is not some like abstract chart. It's 1:22:23.400 --> 1:22:27.880 like no, how are humans doing? Like Joe saying like 1:22:27.920 --> 1:22:30.960 it's the economy good? Well are you hungry? Can you 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:33.639 got a job? Well then okay, well I guess your 1:22:33.800 --> 1:22:35.800 job paying enough for I guess it's not doing well. 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:39.080 You know what I'm saying, So like not some arbitrary 1:22:39.160 --> 1:22:41.639 number that only affect twenty people, you know what I'm saying. 1:22:41.640 --> 1:22:43.639 So so I just think I would love to see 1:22:43.640 --> 1:22:47.320 if like that, like just the overall tenor of our 1:22:47.400 --> 1:22:50.880 nation to start just thinking human first. You know what 1:22:50.880 --> 1:22:54.720 I'm saying, like like how is this person doing? You 1:22:54.760 --> 1:22:57.400 know what I'm saying, Like when you just you step 1:22:57.439 --> 1:22:59.519 back and just again think about like the immigration issues, 1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:02.760 like you put a child in a cage, like I 1:23:02.800 --> 1:23:07.160 just I don't understand what version of paperwork or would 1:23:07.240 --> 1:23:10.880 make you forget that that's a living person, Like I 1:23:10.960 --> 1:23:14.440 just even if even if you could be the strictest 1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:19.360 most like to the t you need to follow directions 1:23:19.800 --> 1:23:22.519 to gain citizenship, Okay, cool, but you gotta put them 1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:25.040 in a cage though, Like you know what I'm saying, 1:23:25.120 --> 1:23:27.400 Like you just just so I just would love to 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:30.040 see something like that that we could come back to 1:23:30.080 --> 1:23:32.000 being like can we just remember like we're talking about 1:23:32.040 --> 1:23:35.200 people here, like yeah, these are people man, you know. 1:23:35.280 --> 1:23:37.160 So that's really like my hope for the next like 1:23:37.920 --> 1:23:40.160 you know, I don't. I mean, that's my lofty hope 1:23:40.240 --> 1:23:43.360 and it's not I don't think any of as much 1:23:43.400 --> 1:23:45.760 as I love it, I don't think all of the 1:23:45.800 --> 1:23:47.840 things that you both just said, which I share it 1:23:47.920 --> 1:23:50.320 a hundred percent, in all of the hopes that both 1:23:50.400 --> 1:23:52.760 of you have to me the way that I view it. 1:23:52.920 --> 1:23:54.800 Um as we're closing out, it's my takeaway from this 1:23:54.800 --> 1:23:58.240 whole episode of this uncertainty, things like where do we 1:23:58.280 --> 1:24:00.360 go moving forward? Even if we don't know it's going 1:24:00.400 --> 1:24:02.680 to be it's like we gotta lead with love. I 1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:04.719 think something that would be amazing is like we gotta 1:24:04.840 --> 1:24:09.200 separate politics from just human like you said, like just 1:24:09.439 --> 1:24:13.040 regular human rights, you know, like I think taking out 1:24:13.080 --> 1:24:14.800 all of the things that are like we all want 1:24:14.840 --> 1:24:17.439 to have a planet, right, Okay, cool, we all want air, right, 1:24:17.479 --> 1:24:20.040 we want water. Everybody wants to be treated nicely like 1:24:20.400 --> 1:24:24.840 And I think, however, whatever the whatever the byproducts of 1:24:24.840 --> 1:24:29.200 those necessities are, whether it be you know, reforming police 1:24:29.360 --> 1:24:33.560 or defunding police or abolishing police, whether it be through reparations, 1:24:33.600 --> 1:24:37.200 whether it be through through legalizing um L, G B, 1:24:37.280 --> 1:24:41.719 t Q plus rights across the board in every state, 1:24:41.760 --> 1:24:44.519 every city, whether it be you know, all of those things. 1:24:44.560 --> 1:24:45.960 Like I think it's to me, the way that I 1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:49.080 view it is like we gotta we gotta really say, 1:24:49.120 --> 1:24:52.679 hey guys, this, this group of things are politics. Taxes. 1:24:52.720 --> 1:24:54.679 We can talk about this, We can talk about that. Yeah, yaha, 1:24:54.760 --> 1:24:57.360 this stuff not politics. We can't. We're not we're not 1:24:57.600 --> 1:25:01.200 voting on whether the color your skin gets to decide 1:25:01.240 --> 1:25:02.880 how likely you are to go to prison. We're not 1:25:02.920 --> 1:25:04.880 go We're not good. We can't vote for those things. 1:25:05.000 --> 1:25:08.160 We can't like those aren't options to choose from. Um, 1:25:08.200 --> 1:25:11.639 so I one. More than anything, I'm just really grateful 1:25:11.680 --> 1:25:13.400 that both of you guys were here because I'm not 1:25:13.400 --> 1:25:16.240 gonna lie like I've been hella uncertain the last four days. 1:25:16.680 --> 1:25:18.400 I know, I said my earlier story like, I've just 1:25:18.479 --> 1:25:22.479 I've been unproductive. I've been like lethargic, I've been ANTSI 1:25:22.600 --> 1:25:25.599 checking my phone every day like it's the fridge like, 1:25:26.640 --> 1:25:28.920 and I just and I'm really grateful that both of 1:25:28.920 --> 1:25:30.920 you guys came on here today. So thank you both 1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:33.840 so much. Um this is my favorite part of the show. 1:25:33.880 --> 1:25:35.880 As I let you guys go, it is called not 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:39.040 So Shameless Promo. UM this. I want you guys to 1:25:39.080 --> 1:25:42.120 just hype everywhere that people can find you, especially after 1:25:42.160 --> 1:25:44.800 this episode, because I know that the listeners are gonna 1:25:44.800 --> 1:25:47.840 want to hear more from both of you guys. Ah man, 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:52.479 um mind short, I'll go first. Mega. The podcast is 1:25:52.680 --> 1:25:57.760 um my comedy podcast, fully improvised satire and um uh yeah, 1:25:57.880 --> 1:26:01.560 and you can follow me at Polly Laurent quick and 1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:05.559 easy and effective. Yeah maybe I'm subscribing right now. I'm 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:11.840 subscribing right now too, God Glass. Yeah. 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