1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: Y'all. In my business, we tend to say tis the season, 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: but what we mean is from Thanksgiving to New Year's Day, 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: certain crimes go up. They skyrocket. This Monday with doctor 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Pria is important to me because she has the same 5 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: experience this time of year, overdoses become prevalent in her town. 6 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: Seven students odeed at Providence College at a house party. 7 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Seven were unresponsive. Seven students. Now, I'm going to bring 8 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: doctor Pria right on in here because she has got 9 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: to talk directly, not just to students, but to parents, 10 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: to neighbors, to people that live in college towns, and 11 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: it's not just colleges. But that's what we want to 12 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: focus on tonight because that's the demographic we're going to see. 13 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: Doctor Pria. Thank you so much for dedicating this particular 14 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: show to this important topic. 15 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: So I guess, you know, I want to say that 16 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: I brought this to our attention, and you know, every 17 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: week we sort of pick a topic, and there couldn't 18 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: have been a more impactful topic to me this week 19 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: because it is literally hitting home for me. So you know, 20 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: maybe some listeners throughout the universe, you know, the United States, 21 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: no Providence College is a highly respected private Catholic school. Right, 22 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: it happens to be in Providence, Rhode Island, hop skipping 23 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: a jump away. That's where I worked, and that's where 24 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: Court is. That's downtown. It's to happen part of Rhode Island, 25 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: and within that it is one of the major academic 26 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: institutions in our state. I mean, it's very proud. I 27 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: know many of people who have graduated from they're very 28 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: well respected. And so it's not like, you know, it 29 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 2: carries this reputation and yes, you know college kids there's 30 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: a spectrum everywhere, right, but seven families were so incredibly 31 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: lucky because these kids did. 32 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: Not pass if it weren't for narca, and they would 33 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: have that's right. 34 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: So you know, it just brought it back to the 35 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: forefront for me that you know, we always hear about 36 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: fentanyl and you know this and that, and you think, okay, 37 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: it's only in inner cities. You know, when I started 38 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: practicing as an emmy and training, you know, I trained 39 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 2: in Baltimore, right, which is right in that Route ninety 40 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: five like Heroin Corridor. They used to call it right 41 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: Baltimore to New York to Boston. And you know, it 42 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: was heroin back then. If anybody's watched the wire, that 43 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: was very true to form. It taped right around Hopkins 44 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: and then East Baltimore where I trained, So I mean 45 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: I was living seeing that daily. But that's not Providence College. 46 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: You know, We're dealing with a different socioeconomic group, different 47 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: racial makeup. And that's really what I want to say 48 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: is there is no stereotype for a person who can 49 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: be affected by drugs. Drugs do not care. And when 50 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: I say drugs, really what's changed in my lifetime, my 51 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: fifteen year career is it's gone from heroin to fentanyl 52 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: and fentanyl analogs, which are basically brothers and sisters chemical 53 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: brothers and sisters of fentanyl, but they all act the same. 54 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: Fentanyl is fifty to one hundred times more powerful than morphine. Right, 55 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: so people have no idea what they're doing. And these 56 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: kids had no idea, I bet you, And most of 57 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: the time what I've seen is and it's really devastating. 58 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: People don't have to be habitual long term addicts. Do 59 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 2: you understand, like some people party on the weekend. You 60 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: don't even know what you're getting, right, they think it's cocaine. 61 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a little hit. But when it's cocaine 62 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: mixed with fentanyl, which has so many street names, I 63 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: think it was going with like diesel at one point. 64 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: I don't even know all the like slang terms for it. 65 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: But people think it gives me a better high like 66 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: speedballs used to, which was heroin and cocaine. So now 67 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: it's even upping the anti well, it ups it too 68 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: much and then people overdose. So white powder is deceiving you. 69 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: Don't you think it's pure cocaine. It's not. It can 70 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: be so many other things, and that is terrifying. 71 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: It could be anything from baby aspirin to something you 72 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: bacon soda. But listen, let's get real about something else too. 73 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: You said correctly that drugs don't discriminate. Well, I'm gonna 74 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: flat tell you your drug dealer doesn't care about you at. 75 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: All, at all, at all, don't. 76 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: And they're gonna cut this stuff with such a variety 77 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: of so they. 78 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: Can cut it with the rat poison, blood dinner, of course, 79 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: you know, so you could even bleed to death. We've 80 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: had cases that I remember in my career where the 81 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: person's like bleeding into their body and we're like what 82 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: the heck. And then when we test the evidence from 83 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: the scene, we realized that it was a blood dinner 84 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: used to cut the cocaine or the heroine or whatever. 85 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: The fentadel dot. 86 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: They use formaldehyde, yep. 87 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: Anything any white they can cut it with. 88 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 1: Yep. 89 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: And here's the dollar, sugar, baking soda, anything. 90 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: They won't to increase profits, of course, they want to enhance. 91 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: It's the effect so that people come back and they 92 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: want to try something else and they can name it 93 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: something new. They want to make the product more bulky, 94 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: so again they're getting more profit. They it looks like 95 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: you're getting a huge amount of whatever drug you're buying. 96 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: You aren't, I promise you. And you know you're talking 97 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: about fentanyl. I mean that's a hundred times more powerful 98 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: than heroin. And at the time we thought heroin was 99 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: the worst thing ever. But I'm going to date myself 100 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: a little bit. I started working before we had crack, 101 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: and when that came on the scene, that was so 102 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: scary to me. Well, now you've got meth, you've got 103 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: fentanyl that they put in all kinds of things, and 104 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: you know they're not going to stop and venting stuff. 105 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: They're not going to stop using things, I mean, catamine. 106 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: I mean, who would have ever thought, hey, I'll take 107 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: two horse tranquilizers and some ventanyl Like what in the world. 108 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, you know, not to deviate too far. 109 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: But you know, I had the first case of xylazine 110 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: intoxication in Rhode Island and I presented that in twenty twelve, 111 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: at which point that's that's a horse tranquilizer that they 112 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: see in Puerto Rico, a lot mixed into the supply 113 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: and then people are walking around like zombies, you know. 114 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: And you know, now it's being mixed into the more 115 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: popular supply chain here, and you know, I think it's twofold. 116 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: One is you know, drugs go through many hands at 117 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: many levels right before it gets to the street, and 118 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: the focus is money, and everybody's trying not to be 119 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: killed by the distribute, you know, by the higher bosses, 120 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: by getting caught whatever it is. Right, hopefully they're not 121 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: even using their own supply, but they are just moving product. 122 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: So the product is the drugs. But ultimately this trick 123 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: down effect no one has. It's like a hot potato, right, 124 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: it's just passed along. No one actually knows there's no 125 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: quality control. There's no chemistry involved as to how much 126 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: drug is in the what the concentration is. There's no 127 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: FDA like measuring, right, And so that's the thing that 128 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: I think people don't realize, or you're getting a random 129 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: packet at the end. And I think the scariest thing 130 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 2: was now they have three people in custody as being 131 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: sort of the preparers distributors of the drugs, but none 132 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: of these people are doing any quality assurance or whatnot. 133 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: They're trying to maximize profit. What these people and anybody 134 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: else involved care about is money and fentanyl. It's sexy 135 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: as a drug, if you will, for many reasons. One 136 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: is it doesn't rely on the opium poppy. Right, you 137 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 2: don't need to grow a flower. You just use chemical 138 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: so you can make as many chemicals. And then there's 139 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: secret labs they call them clandestine labs, where it's made. 140 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: Then it shipped. So if it's fifty two one hundred 141 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: times stronger than morphine, you can just ship it and 142 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: cut it that much more. Cutting means diluting it, mixing 143 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: it with what god knows what, as we were talking about, 144 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: another cheap white powder, and then you get more doses 145 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: out of it, right, And so now they're also trying 146 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: to mix things to see what hits better. Right, because 147 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: if it's a better high, people will come back to 148 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: that drug dealer. Right. And now the scary part is, 149 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: you know, if there's other things mixed in their catamine cocaine, 150 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: narcan doesn't work on those. It only works on the 151 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: fentanyl or fent, not only but the fentanyl analogues. Okay, 152 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: analogus being the fancy word for related chemical comp So 153 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: you know, if something is mixed in or taken with 154 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: alcohol or at a party or other things, you just 155 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: have this crazy dangerous mix. And I think, why does 156 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: it go up? 157 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: Now? 158 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's end of the semester. We're getting close to 159 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: that Christmas holidays. Kids are relaxing, people are coming back together. 160 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: If you think about it, people are coming back together 161 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: from different universities, coming back home. This may be their 162 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: first or second semester away at college. Right, they haven't 163 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 2: seen their high school friends and people get together and right, 164 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: like we often say, you're going on in life, but 165 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: the brain hasn't caught up in maturity. You know, this 166 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: is often a parenting worry that many of my doctor friends, 167 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: and I share that those that have had kids go 168 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: to college, you're like releasing them into the big world. 169 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: But they're still eighteen year olds, nineteen year olds, right, 170 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: and they are then sort of out of the loop. 171 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: And then they're coming back part And then you have 172 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: this scary, scary like possibility. I mean the fact that 173 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: these kids lived and I hope they don't have any 174 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: lasting damage from the overdose. I mean, that's like a miracle. 175 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: Well here's the other reality. Think like a drug dealer. 176 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: They know every college campus, they know every fraternity, every sorority, 177 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: every team. Think about it, these seventeen, eighteen, nineteen year 178 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: olds are away from home for the first time. They've 179 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: got cash money, they're not coming home so mom and 180 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: dad can catch them, you know, looking at their eyes, 181 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: looking at their mannerisms, and they want to get wild, 182 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: they want to meet these friends, they want to try 183 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: things they've never tried. And that to me is a 184 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: recipe for disaster. Exactly what we saw at Providence College. 185 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised that doesn't happen more. 186 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: Well, you know, and that it could be twofold could 187 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: be happening. It just didn't make the news, you know. 188 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 2: But obviously there was a massive you know, I want 189 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: to give a shout out to all the first responders 190 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: because they didn't hesitate to go there and expose themselves, 191 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: and you know, police and ems that those are the heroes, right, 192 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 2: Like I don't think in this any article I really 193 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: saw that being mentioned. That's how I feel. And as 194 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: a mother, you know, Dia is still younger than college age. 195 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: But it's funny because I showed her something the other 196 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: day preparing a report that I was like, look at this, 197 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: and she goes, Mommy, that looks like candy. And I 198 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: get very paranoid about her getting candy from friends, which 199 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: is a sad reality for a child. But I said, 200 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: I will buy you all the candy in the world. 201 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: But she goes, oh, those look like smarties. Those look 202 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 2: like yeah, and you know what they were. They were 203 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: diverted like illicit fentanyl pills, made to look like candy, 204 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: so kids would be attracted to them or they would 205 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 2: sort of go buy the drug detection because they look 206 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: like candy, not you know, not drugs. So I mean 207 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 2: they were pastel color, like my daughter's comforter. 208 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: And you know that's on purpose yellow, and it's on Paris, 209 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: of course it is, but they know how to market, 210 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: they know what they're doing, correct. There is not a 211 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: drug dealer that I have ever met that's got a 212 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: chemistry degree. And y'all that's why some of those clandestine graves, 213 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: those meth labs, they blow up, people get killed, people 214 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: get hurt because they really don't know what they're doing, 215 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: especially when they're trying out the new latest way to 216 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: try to get something more potent. 217 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: Right, They're always trying new combos, but especially if they're 218 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 2: doing the chemistry behind the scenes like that. You know, 219 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: I hate to say it. I love the show Breaking Bad, 220 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: but it's TV. It's not reality, right, And remember they 221 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: showed one of the characters being, you know, Heisenberger, you know, 222 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: having being a chemistry teacher. I think that's a rare occurrence. 223 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: That's TV, not reality. And how flammable it is. You know, 224 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: that even happened here in Providence at a hotel, like 225 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: the hotel room caught on fire and it was ended 226 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: up being like a cooking lab for drugs. But really, 227 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: what we're here to talk about tonight, I think is 228 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: the unrecognized hazards and you know, people trying to enjoy themselves, 229 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: which I would never not want, you know, but really 230 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: the caution and I think it's twofold the kids if 231 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: they listen to this, but parents, right, So a lot 232 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: of my doctor friends who they were sending their kids 233 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: off to college had like they were giving fentanyl test strips, 234 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: you know, whether their kid was gonna use it or 235 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: if they're you know, if they're in a situation, and 236 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: the thought is, okay, if it tests positive, then don't 237 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: do the drugs, trying to prevent overdoses. But really nothing 238 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: is one hundred percent other than not using it. And 239 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: I know this sounds preachy, but really, like you have 240 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: to understand, it doesn't take a lot, and it does 241 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: not discriminate. It doesn't care if you're a four point 242 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: oh student or if you're a one point oh student. Okay, 243 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: it is how the drugs work in your body. And 244 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: I have seen the devastation. I was contacted about a 245 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: second autopsy in a Boston student first semester. I'm not 246 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: going to give a lot away, but first semester student 247 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: from a very wealthy background at a very wealthy school 248 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: who overdosed. And so it does this is not an 249 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: isolated story Boston has it, Providence has it, and I'm 250 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: sure many big college towns or little college towns around 251 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: the country. So this is not you know, because this 252 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: is kept happening to me sort of very personally, you know, 253 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, my god, and I feel like in some 254 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: ways the Fentanel story has faded into the background, maybe 255 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: because of other you know whatever sexy in the news, politics, 256 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: holiday shopping. People sort of get diverted, right like they don't. 257 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: But I just wanted to bring it to the forefront 258 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: that it's still out there and you don't know what 259 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: people are giving to you. You don't know what you're 260 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: buying or your friend has, you know, and that's scary. 261 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: Plus the alcohol. I mean, I still say that alcohol 262 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: is the most abused drug in the world, in the country, 263 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: and you know, the drinking and driving terrifies me. There's 264 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: a lot of holiday parties, so you know, there's a 265 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: sort of increased use of it, and the alcohol is flowing. 266 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: But I can, you know, without giving away certain things. 267 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 2: I mean, I've had tragic duys, you know, deaths resulting 268 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: The Rhode Island actually had an amazing program that I 269 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: participated in as the Emmy early in my career, and 270 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think the funding got cut, but 271 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: it was related to people who were incarcerated for DUI 272 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: death resulting and one was a student from Uri. He 273 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: was an Asian student. He spoke so highly about how 274 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 2: his life was ruined because he drunk drove and someone 275 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 2: died in the accident, and the friend died. He's been 276 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: in car I mean, he was from a great home, 277 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: great background. Again, like right, it doesn't matter who you are. 278 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: Alcohol treats everybody the same. Obviously we have slightly different metabolisms, 279 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: but once you have enough in your body, that's it, 280 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: you know. And I think that's the other thing that 281 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: scares me is sort of I think people let their 282 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: guard down, right. Oh, I want to have fun. I'm 283 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 2: on winter break. I want to see my family, I 284 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: want to see my friends. But and you know, drinks 285 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: might be spiked and it can get very dangerous, very. 286 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: Quickly if we just take all the layers away. In 287 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: its raw ast form, there ain't a drug dealer out 288 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: there that cares about anybody. They've ever sold to, no one, 289 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: And if you look at it, that's why they go 290 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: to college campuses and high schools and middle schools. That's 291 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: why they go to rehab places and just wait outside. 292 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: They wait outside at halfway houses. They know their marks. 293 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: You are a pigeon. They are coming at you and 294 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: they have already picked you out because of something that 295 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: you've shown them. So I'm just his way exactly that. 296 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: You know, if you're going to be a customer, they 297 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: want you. They don't, but it's not. They're salesmen or 298 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: saleswomen or whatever you want to call them, right, salespeople 299 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, it's just making 300 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: the deal and the after math or the after effects 301 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: are totally that doesn't even cross their mind. 302 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: Doc Crag was so addictive. Remember they gave. 303 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 2: It from in the eighties, Are you kidding? 304 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: A d gave it a way because they knew you 305 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: were going to. 306 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: And it destroyed careers of the like Marion Barry. I 307 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 2: don't know if you knew of him, but he was. 308 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it was. And that's what I want to 309 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: say is look at the history. You know you have 310 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: people in all I mean, I hate to say it, 311 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: crack often had a negative type associated with lower economic classes, 312 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: but that's not true, right. It definitely permeated other social 313 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: classes and once people got addicted, I mean it had 314 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: like vice gripts on them. That may be an extreme example. 315 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: And what I've seen tragically through my career is, of 316 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: course there's people that get addicted, and I mean the 317 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: entryway to addiction is so complex, and I've seen so 318 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: many people after surgery, after a bad car accident, like 319 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: you know, unfortunately, I see the terrible outcomes of it. 320 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: But you know, we don't know the history. And so 321 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: when I see sort of all comers, as I say, 322 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 2: it's you know, I love my job because of the 323 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 2: different stories. I hate to say it that bring people there, 324 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: but it like really humanizes the cases. But at the 325 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: same time it's scary. It does not matter if you 326 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: come from a suburb, you know, the city, inner city, 327 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: outer city. It does not matter the country because at 328 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: the same time, once you know, once you're getting a 329 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: hold on a drug or whatever, and I mean it 330 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: doesn't even to be the drug you'd think it is, right, 331 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: I mean, oxy coda and tablets are the most counterfitted 332 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: out there. Right, they say, I'm selling you OxyS and 333 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: ends up being fentanyl. Come on, you know, And that's 334 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 2: I think when I showed my young daughter those pictures 335 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: and said, why did you know? Because she got candy 336 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: from someone. I said, you're not supposed to eat candy 337 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: from someone. She just didn't realize how similar things were 338 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: and I showed her. And you know, kids trade things 339 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 2: at lunch all the time, even if you're not supposed to. 340 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: But you know, now we're seeing it. I mean, I say, kids, 341 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 2: and my daughter's going to be twelve, but you know, 342 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: time flies. Eighteen's not that far away and then they're adults, right, 343 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: But we know that that's not how the brain matures. 344 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: The other thing scary by the time she gets to 345 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: college is there's going to be something to worry about. 346 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 2: I can't even imagine. 347 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: You know. But it is a beautiful season. It is 348 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: the holidays. Everybody wants to be together and have a 349 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: great time and absolutely be with the people that you love. 350 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: But you know, doctor Praya, again, I appreciate you coming 351 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: on here and saying, Okay, here's the deal between now 352 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: and New Year's you gotta be aware, right. 353 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: And we got to stay alive, right. We want to 354 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: enjoy the season, not not suffer during it, and not 355 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: you know, bring sadness to families. We want to thrive 356 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: and so that really is what this is about. And 357 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: it's been in our news a lot, but I really 358 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: want everyone to say, you know, I mean, you don't 359 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 2: even know what town state your drugs are coming from, right, 360 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: like how far away? So you really need to just 361 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 2: you know again, stair, steer clear and drive safe like 362 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 2: call an uber, call your parents, call someone, anybody will 363 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 2: come and get you. Not to drunk drive as well. 364 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm gonna say it like this. I 365 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: saw this hilarious woman online and she was talking about 366 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and she said, look, don't bring anybody new. If 367 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: you've only been dating the week, don't bring that person. 368 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: Don't put them in all the pictures because we're just 369 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: gonna have to cut them out. Don't try a new recipe, 370 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: not a thank Oh that's right, Okay, I'm gonna give 371 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: you the same advice with a little twist. Don't buy 372 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: something from somebody you've never bought before from. Don't try 373 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: a drug you've never tried before. Don't get cute now, 374 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: don't do it if you don't know the person, you 375 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: don't trust the person, if you've never done the drug, 376 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: it's gonna kill you. 377 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: I think that's the safe assumption that it only takes once. 378 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: And I've seen that more often than not and had 379 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: to deliver that news to parents on the phone who 380 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: don't believe my diagnoses at autopsy, and that's heartbreaking because. 381 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: It's all heartbreaking. 382 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 2: There is no there's no history, and you have to 383 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: be the one to deliver that news. It's it's you know, 384 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 2: there's any time you have to talk to a family 385 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: and hear someone you know burst out with a shrieking cry, 386 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 2: that's really you know, as a mom, it tears you apart. 387 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: And you know that's another thing. If you you know, 388 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: were that four point oh student you were talking about 389 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: in high school. You didn't do drugs in high school. 390 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: Those parents are going to sit there forever and go, wow, 391 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: why would he do that? Why would he take that? 392 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: Why would he smoke that when he's never done it before? 393 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: Exactly? That's the that's you know, make it a season 394 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: of nice, you know, happy memory is not not sad one. 395 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: So I hope this, you know, may at least brings 396 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: pause to people who listen and you know, can be 397 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 2: safe out there. 398 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: Nope, it's timely and appreciate it. Thank you, doctor, Banerjie. 399 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: Yes, good ye. 400 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: We will see you next Monday with pathology with doctor Priya. 401 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 2: All right, take care until next time.