1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: today's best minds. And over seven hundred and seventy US 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: service members have been killed or injured since the war 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: in Iran began. New data shows we have such a 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: great show for you today as the world turns. Owns 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Andy Levy steps by to talk about Trump's failed war 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: in Iran and the USS Lincoln being sent home. Then 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: we'll talk to Democracy Forwards, Own Sky Perryman about her 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: new book, Ordinary People, Extraordinary Times, How to reclaim your power, 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: fight for freedom, and reimagine democracy. But first the news. 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: Really, there is new details in the police investigation into 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: how Rep. Max Miller's daughter got hurt, and there's video 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: recordings and it is really ugly. 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to tell you this story is one 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: of the arcist of this election cycle. And there are 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: a few reasons why I think it's so dark. One 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: is because we are hearing this story because the woman 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: who Max Miller is now in the process of being 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: divorced from is the daughter of a prominent, very wealthy 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: Republican senator in Ohio. Think about all of the stories 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: of women that this happens too. I mean, even remember 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: Max Miller, there was a woman before this woman, right, 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: Stephanie Grisham from a Melania's office, who was not taken 25 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: seriously and who ended up having to sign an NDA 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,279 Speaker 1: and taking a settlement. So I mean, it's just worth 27 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: thinking when you hear this story about this little girl 28 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: and her mom getting hurt by Max Miller, think about 29 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: all of the women that you don't hear about. R 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: I think about all of the women whose stories do 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: not rise to the top of the news cycle because 32 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: they are not daughters of prominent people. And I just 33 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: it's so rare that we that we hear about stories 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: like this, and the reason why is because a lot 35 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: of is women get murdered by the guys, right, I mean, 36 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: like the highest you know, the most frequent killer of 37 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: pregnant women is their spouse. It's worth when you meditate 38 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: on this story thinking about all the women who really 39 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 1: do not get attention for what happens to them. And 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: and I think that's really important. Also, Max Miller is 41 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: a complete sociopath. Clearly he decided he was going to 42 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: run again despite the fact that even Donald Trump, and 43 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: by the way, I wanted the reporting the readout. It's 44 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: not readout. But the reporting of Donald Trump's call with 45 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: Max Miller is not that Donald Trump said you gotta 46 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: resign because it's not okay, because God forbid he say that. 47 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: He said something the effect of you're not going to win. 48 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: The poll show you're not going to win. And I 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: think that's a really important point of this story because 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: it shows really that these people there's no bar, there's 51 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: no bar too low, there is no moral anything, like 52 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: at every point, these people just are willing to go 53 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: along with anything if it means they'll win. And Democrats, 54 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: when Democrats saw that Graham Plattner had real solid allegations 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: of rape, that was it. That was the moment he 56 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: was gone. 57 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: And even though he still somehow did not have the 58 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: worst pulling from it, they still said this is unacceptable, 59 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: which really really shows the contrast between the two parties. 60 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: But the two parties are not the same, and like 61 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: despite a lot of people who are you know, a 62 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: lot of conventional wisdom, the two parties are absolutely not 63 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: the same agreed. 64 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: So this is really interesting. I did not consider a 65 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: cost of all Trump's pardons for these fraudsters, but Trump 66 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: partons of fraudsters have cost victims nearly two billion dollars. 67 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because they're supposed to pay out these victims, 68 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump's pardons mean that they don't pay out 69 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: the victims. I mean, this is like one point seven 70 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: billion dollars worth of fines forfeitures and restitutions in a 71 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: massive redistribution of wealth in favor of convicted criminals. Democrats 72 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: accused Trump of signelining the traditional clemency structure to implement 73 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: a pay to play system. And you know, we know 74 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: this to be true. We've seen tons of reporting on 75 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: the ways in which people shop for pardons from Donald Trump. 76 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: Remember he said he was going to drain the swamp. 77 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: Like at every point Donald Trump has remember en foreign wars, 78 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: drain the swamp, make things cheaper. No, no, no, no, 79 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: and no. 80 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: Uh yeah. It really is something that the details of 81 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: the story just make make it even worse. 82 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: And I want to add one other thing. I mean, 83 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: there's crypto corruption. There's this, there's that. In addition to 84 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: partnering dozen of dozens of white collar criminals, the Trump 85 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: administration has eliminated the Task Force for on Cryptocrats. I 86 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: wonder why pause the Foreign Corruption Practice Corrupt Practices Act 87 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: and gutted for the Foreign Agent Registration Act. 88 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: I wonder why, as always, Trump is doing whatever he 89 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: can to make sure our education system just declines modeling himself. 90 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: Right after putin here, Trump moves to strip the American 91 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: Bar Association of its powers. 92 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: He is trying to make it so they can't credit 93 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: law schools because he's mad at them for being too woke. 94 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: This is one of these things where it's like, I 95 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: think it's actually kind of dumb, because the truth is 96 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: people are still going to you know, I mean, you 97 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: could strip accreditation. It's not going to make any difference. 98 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: But I love that they say. We have said many 99 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: times that accreditation in general operates like a cartel. Have 100 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: you seen this administration? They operate like a cartel where 101 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: there's no competition. Accredited creditors feel free to inject their 102 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: own political preferences, their own ideologies into the work they do. 103 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: And everyone knows that the only appropriate ideology is trump Ism, 104 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: and so how dare they? But this is because Trump 105 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: is trying to once again silence a critic. Right the 106 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: American Bar Association presidents have issued fifteen separate statements dealing 107 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: with judicial independence. Right, they are saying that judges should 108 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: not be partisan hacks, and Donald Trump is saying no 109 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: judges should be partisan hacks. And this, this is why 110 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: they're being centered and it's such an insane I mean, 111 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: it's just such a great example of how this administration 112 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 1: hates the First Amendment. Then literally, if you say things 113 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: they don't like, they try to sue you. And we 114 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: saw this. I mean, this administration has just been going 115 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: after everyone that they can. You know, when somebody goes 116 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: against them, they sue them. And the good news, I mean, 117 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: you're suing the Center for American Progress because they did 118 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: a report. They published a report that showed the administration 119 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: show sending the National Guard into cities has not reduced 120 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: violent crime. This is just a fact. This is nobody's opinion. 121 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: You can look at numbers. And the administration has threatened 122 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: to sue the Center for American Progress And again, probably 123 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: the best thing to ever happen to them because they'll 124 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: be able to fundraise off it. But more importantly, it's 125 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: a great example of like, it just doesn't matter who 126 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: you are, what you are if you're trying to engage 127 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: in real reality versus Trump reality. Sooner or later, this 128 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: administration is going to come for you. 129 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: So the girls are fighting again Trump versus MTG's looking 130 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: a little bit ugly over there. 131 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so MTG again, you do not have to hand 132 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: it to Marjorie Taylor Green and I again, we were 133 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: in one of these moments where there are people like 134 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, like Alex Jones, like Tucker Carlson, where 135 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: they are genuinely not people you want in positions of power. 136 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: They are not people who believe in the same things 137 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: we do. They don't even really believe in the norms 138 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: of American democracy, but they do. They are brave enough 139 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: to stand up to Donald Trump, and in a moment 140 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: like this when everyone else is not, they are probably 141 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: one of the few useful foils we have. She believes 142 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: that the GOP is in deep trouble in the midterms 143 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: because she's read a poll and she is, you know, 144 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: and she and again there is this really interesting polling 145 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: shows that you know, Trump used to be, you know, 146 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: ninety eight percent popular with Republicans and now he's sixty 147 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: four percent popular with Republicans, and and that's that that 148 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: is that actually is meaningful if you are losing your base. 149 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: You're in trouble, and so Green said, you know that 150 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: she thinks he shattered the Maga coalition because of Iran 151 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: and probably also because of the expensive gas, and he 152 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: she is. You know, she's right. She's also highly problematic 153 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: in any for any number of reasons. So you know, 154 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: while she can be right, it's also important to take 155 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: all of this with the red assault. Andy Levy is 156 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: the host of As the World Turns. 157 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: Andy Levy Marley Jon Fast. 158 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: I am so happy to have you here, my friend. 159 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: I am mildly delighted to meet it. 160 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so I can be thrilled for both of us. 161 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 3: You know, I'm thrilled. 162 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled too. You look so happy. So one of 163 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: the things that we know about you is that you 164 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: have been in the military. 165 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 4: Like my R. O. 166 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: Tc Son, But you actually are. You served in Iraq, Nope, 167 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: in Korea, Korea and you are, but not in the 168 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: Korean War, I hope, because you're not that. 169 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: No, it was. It was a couple of years after that. 170 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: Okay, good, But you've served, and so you know a 171 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: lot about what happens when you serve. And one of 172 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: the things that the big story today is that the 173 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: aircraft carrier, the USS Lincoln, where they had been on 174 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: deployment for I think what was a two hundred plus days? 175 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: Wouldn't no short days go on? 176 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: No, I think it's been nine months. Yeah, so I 177 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 3: think that's close. It's close to three hundred days, which 178 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: is I mean, I was in the army, so I 179 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: can't speak to what it's like to be stuck on 180 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 3: a ship for nine months. I can imagine it's not pleasant, 181 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: and the reports coming out of it certainly weren't pleasant. 182 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: And you know, it makes you think about how all 183 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: these people on the right always talk about loving the troops, 184 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 3: but they don't seem to really care about the troops 185 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 3: general welfare, which is sort of an important thing to do. 186 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: If you love the troops. 187 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. On top of which, you know, hag Seth is 188 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: always running around talking about war fighters and stuff like that, 189 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: and it's just like, again, this is part of like 190 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 3: they seem to think that morale doesn't matter, that people 191 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: should just be carrying out their duties and they're tough 192 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: and they're war fighters and it's such a load of 193 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: shit and TRUP morale is incredibly important for reasons I suspect, Molly, 194 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 3: you will realize are obvious troops whose morale is good 195 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: are going to perform at better and you know they 196 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: don't seem to understand that. 197 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to fact check myself here. The Washington arrived 198 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: as concerns have grown about the Lincoln's lengthy deployment. This 199 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: is the Washington, which was by South Korea to protect Taiwan, which, 200 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: by the way, if China takes Taiwan, this is a little, 201 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: a little, a little news for Darlene Graham, who may 202 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: not know about this, but tai if China takes Taiwan, 203 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: we're all fucked because Taiwan makes all the semiconductor chips, 204 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: almost all the semiconductor chips, and so it will be, 205 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: it will be our economy will be fucked, so will China's. 206 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: So well, every actually China's will be good because they'll 207 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: have taken Taiwan. But so I just want to read 208 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: this though. The Washington arrived as concerns have grown about 209 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: the Lincoln's lengthy deployment, which had included a record set 210 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: it record setting uninterrupted time at sea of more than 211 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty days, and we saw reports of 212 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: people jumping into the ocean. Because what happens when you're 213 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty days at see is that you 214 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: start to lose your mind. 215 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, little things like toilets stop to work, 216 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: and you know, food supplies aren't great, and and again 217 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: it's all these little things that someone like Pete Pete 218 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: Hegseth is not at all concerned about, doesn't give a 219 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: shit about, doesn't even think about. And it you know, 220 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: there are there are certain tropes that go back centuries. 221 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: I don't know if there was napoleons that an army 222 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 3: travels on its stomach, and and and you know, and 223 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 3: going back even further than that. Anyone who has any 224 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 3: grasp of military history or just common sense knows that 225 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: if if if your arm by is not well fed, 226 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: if the certain little creature comforts, which I hesitate to 227 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: even call them that, because like a working toilet is 228 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: not really a creature comfort. It's just it's kind of 229 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: a necessity. 230 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: Oh it's sanitary, right like it's it's and and if. 231 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: You don't have that stuff, you're in you're in bad shape. 232 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: And on top of which you tell people that going 233 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: to be deployed for three months or for six months, 234 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: and then you keep them there for nine months, and 235 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 3: that ain't good too. When I was in Korea during 236 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 3: Desert Storm, and there were a lot of people who 237 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: got stuck in Korea because they I'm forgetting the name 238 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: of the policy, but there was a thing where they 239 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 3: were just basically holding everyone in place, and so people 240 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: who were supposed to rotate out of Korea after a 241 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 3: year got stuck there for many more months, and they 242 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: were not happy. They were not happy at all, because 243 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: you get it in your head that all right, I'm 244 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: here for a year and Korea back then, I don't 245 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: know what it is now, but back then it was 246 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: considered kind of a hardship post. You weren't authorized to 247 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: bring family stuff like that. And so when you think 248 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: you're going to be in a place for a certain 249 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: amount of time, and you know, the old joke in 250 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: the army was that people had calendars on their wall 251 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: and you cross off the days, and you know, you 252 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: see how many days you had left, and you go 253 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: around bragging you know that you only had seven days left, 254 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 3: or you only had twenty eight days left. When you 255 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: suddenly tell people that know, by the way, you're going 256 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: to be stuck here for another three months or another 257 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: six months. Oh man, they are not happy, and understandably so. 258 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: And sometimes there's a reason and you can't do anything 259 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: about it. In this case, there really isn't. And that's 260 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: that's what makes it even worse. Is this is just 261 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: incompetence that caused this. 262 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: Okay, well, in comes is what has caused all of this, 263 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: and we should be unsurprised. But sometimes it's not just 264 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: incompetent incompetent, sometimes it's also racism. So here's one that's 265 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: related but also racist. So basically, the US Navy was 266 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: working to rename a carrier after a guy called a 267 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: Second World War sailor called Doris Miller. Guess what Doris 268 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: Miller was. He was a hero, and he was a 269 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,239 Speaker 1: war hero, and he did he got the Navy cross 270 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: actions during Pearl Harbor. And guess why they're not going 271 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: to name it after him. 272 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: I am going to assume that he's not white. 273 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: You would be correct. He is black, and he is black, 274 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: and so because he is black, it looks like they 275 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: were going to see another warship named after someone else. 276 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: Can you guess who? 277 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: I can guess who? And it's disgusting and it's disgraceful, 278 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: and it's Donald. 279 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: Correct and Dorry Miller's bravery. This is Mark Kelly, who 280 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: has a real opportunity here. Doris Dory Miller's bravery at 281 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor is legendary and resulted in him being awarded 282 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: the Navy Cross. The aircraft carrier shouldn't be renamed at all, 283 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: let alone for Donald Trump. There you go. 284 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: It's just the idea that you're going to take this 285 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: honor away from a guy who not only was a 286 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: hero during Pearl Harbor, but was killed in nineteen forty 287 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: three when the ship he was on was hit by 288 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 3: a Japanese torpedo excuse me, by a Japanese torpedo, and 289 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: you're gonna take it away from him and give it 290 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: to Bunsburg's guy. And that is just I mean, it's 291 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 3: so many kinds of wrong and disgusting, and it's just 292 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 3: the idea that anyone could think this is appropriate, even 293 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: setting aside the fact that you generally don't name ships 294 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: after sitting presidents, I think really not even after living presidents. 295 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: Well, technically this is the Trump Kennedy Center fiasco where 296 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: Trump put his name on the memorial for John F. 297 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: Kennedy who is dead discussed. 298 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, no, no, I agree he is dead. I 299 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 3: don't haven't searg there and Mary Oswald doctor. 300 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: In that way, you are more with it than many 301 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: members of the MAGA who believe that JFK is still alive. 302 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: Yes, And is it JFK or JFK Junior that's supposed 303 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: to be the big Q and on. 304 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: JFK Junior is supposedly at Q andon you know, is 305 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: a Trump rallies occasionally he does not. That guy does 306 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: not look much like JFK Junior used to look. So 307 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: if JFK Junior is still alive, he's gotten much much uglier. 308 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes a lot out of you pretending to 309 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: be dead de ages it ages one and makes you shorter. Yes, 310 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 3: so I would love to talk. 311 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: Besides the Trump just destroying the military, there has been 312 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: this really interesting thing. So you may know a guy 313 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: called John oss Off, very handsome senator from Georgia running 314 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: for reelection. He was giving a talk speech and he 315 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: mentioned just very off handedly, Donald Trump and Natalie Harp. 316 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: Now Natalie, for those of us who this is all 317 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: we do, we know that Natalie Harp was considered to 318 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: be the human printer. She had bone cancer. She believed 319 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump's right to try saved her life. And 320 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: then she became a devoted follower of Trump and now 321 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: he does not go anywhere without her. Fast forward, this 322 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: came out, everyone in Trump world defended Trump. How dare 323 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: you think that the thrice married adulter who had to 324 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: pay Stormy Daniels off, and who had to pay Egene 325 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: Carol off? How dare you think that that person would 326 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: ever cheat on his third wife? How dare you, sir? 327 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: Fast forward to Michael Wolfe, who is a resistance journalist 328 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: who is featured in the Epstein Files prominently for his 329 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: many conversations and relationship with Jeff Epp. That guy has 330 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of letters that Trump wrote, that Trump received 331 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: from Natalie and I would like to do a dramatic reading, 332 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: but first I would like your take on this. 333 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: Well, there's a whole bunch of things here. I mean, 334 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 3: first of all, the right pretending to be outraged about this. 335 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: The only response to that is to laugh, like it's 336 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: not worth taking seriously, it's not worth engaging with. It's 337 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: just you just have to lol. There's so many things 338 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 3: that I don't think, and to me, this should be 339 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 3: sort of the Democratic talking point. I don't believe that 340 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: Donald Trump was having relations sexual relations with that woman, Natalie, 341 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: because I don't he can and I mean, look, he's 342 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 3: not having He's done in that realm of his life, which, 343 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 3: by the way, you hit an age and that happens. 344 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 3: But I think if the Democrats would get out there 345 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: and if people would just start saying over and over again, yeah, 346 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 3: we know he's not having a sexual relationship with her 347 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: because he can't do that, this will piss him off 348 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 3: so much that he will come out and say he 349 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: was having a sexual relationship with her. So to me, 350 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: that's the strategy that should be played out there. The 351 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: last thing I'll say is the thing that bugs me 352 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: the most about this is the fact that she's been 353 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 3: doing this without a security clearance, right because she decided 354 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: she didn't want to try to get one apply for one. 355 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 3: That I don't know that that's illegal because the president can. 356 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: I'm told by the Supreme Court that anything the president 357 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: wants is not illegal. But it strikes me as someone 358 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 3: who is that close to the president, not having security 359 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: clearance is a bit of a problem. Given the sensitive 360 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 3: information she is probably seeing, and we know that foreign 361 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: leaders are calling her to get access to the president. 362 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 3: So to me, everything about this story is weird, and 363 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: I believe in playing up the weird. I'm glad John 364 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 3: Asoff did and they shouldn't stop doing that, despite what 365 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 3: people like David Axelrod said. 366 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 1: But it's also I mean, it's also like the idea 367 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: that Trump, who is a man who has at every 368 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: point taken the low. You know, remember when he debated 369 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: with Hillary and he had all of the women who 370 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: had allegations against Bill sit in the front row. Do 371 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: you remember that. I'm that old, Like, we don't get 372 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: to like pearl cru clutch. Pearl clutch. I'm sorry, English 373 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: is hard. We don't get to pearl clutch about one sentence, 374 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump goes with it Natalie everywhere or 375 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: something to that effect, when in fact, Donald Trump has 376 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: been one of the worst bad faith actors when it 377 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: comes to this kind of thing. I mean, just in 378 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: the world. I mean, I just think that's insane. 379 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 3: It is insane. But they're not and you know this, Molly, 380 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 3: they're not really pearl clutching. They're pretending to pearl clutch. 381 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 3: And that's why I say, you just laugh at it 382 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: and just be like, yeah, whatever, Like you cannot take 383 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 3: that seriously. You cannot, I don't think get into a 384 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 3: conversation about well, Donald Trump. The reason it's okay to 385 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 3: say this is Donald Trump has done X, Y and 386 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: Z throughout it. And then suddenly you're in an argument 387 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 3: with these people who don't mean what they're saying right, 388 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: and are the first people to jump to make up 389 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 3: shit about Democrats and anyone that they don't like or 390 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 3: Trump doesn't like. So you can't even pretend to take 391 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 3: them seriously, in my opinion, like that that elevates what 392 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 3: they're saying, when what they're saying is just they're they're 393 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: just faith, they're trolling. 394 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: But I want to talk about a lot in the 395 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: Natalie Harp letter. Remember she's thirty five, he is eighty. 396 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: Now again, I'm married to someone who's fourteen years older 397 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: than I am, so hardly casting stones here though he 398 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: is not e I thirty five, So actually Natalie Harp 399 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: is younger than Trump's some of Trump's kids, most of 400 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: Trump's kids, almost all of Trump's kids. I was approaching 401 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: burnout and starting to envy those whose only job seem 402 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: to be to talk with you and look pretty. Is 403 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: she referring to Milania or is she referring to Ivanka? 404 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: Or is she who is she referring to? 405 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 3: There it's not Laura Lumer, is it? Maybe it is 406 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 3: based on the description, I don't see how, but I don't. 407 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean that's her. She's like describing herself, 408 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: which is. 409 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: Her job is also to print out social media posts. 410 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 3: Yes, well, as you said, she's the printer, which is 411 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 3: like the worst mutant power I can think of. 412 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: But she does have a printer. 413 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 3: She doesn't, you know, she doesn't actually will them to 414 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: be paid. Oh, I thought she was printing, and I 415 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 3: started thinking if man, I hope she doesn't get a 416 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: paper jam because that it could be painful. 417 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: But I do think that was funny, Steph. But I 418 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: do think that the idea that this woman follows him 419 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: around and even like Maggie Haberman was on CNN talking 420 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: about it, and she was saying that he talks to 421 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: Natalie pretty much all night, right, which again we're giving 422 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: him the benefit of the doubt because I don't know why, 423 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: because he's never given anyone the benefit of the doubt, 424 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: but even if he is not having a relationship with her, 425 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: he's really having a relationship with her. 426 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 3: Sure, he's having an emotional relationship with her. Absolutely, I 427 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: still maintain that he's not capable of having a physical relationship, 428 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 3: and so he's not and also she might be a 429 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 3: little old for him. 430 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: I want things to always be right between us. I 431 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: also know I've been distracted all week forgetting to eat 432 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: throughout the days, and even forgetting to sleep and only 433 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: catching a couple hours at a time. I haven't been 434 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: myself dwelling on the past and the pain of losing 435 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: my dad. By the way, what are the chances that 436 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump read this whole letter? 437 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: Oh very soon? 438 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, absolutely. 439 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 3: The best part is, and a bunch of people have pointed, 440 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: is that like she quoted Jane Austen to him. Yeah, 441 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 3: like the guy who famously has basically never read a 442 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: book in his life, and she's making literary illusions. 443 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: It is. 444 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: It's incredible stuff. 445 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: It is incredible, right, the guys, I have to butt in, Yeah, 446 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: I sent you both birthday gifts because your birthday's both 447 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: just passed and one of you has it. But the 448 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: gifts are the same, So Andy, would you like to 449 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 2: open the birthday gift? I will. I do want to 450 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: say that. 451 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: I'm really scared because I'm not going to show the 452 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 3: box because my address is on it, but it says 453 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 3: do not open until taping. 454 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 2: Yes, that's because you know, you know, I only give 455 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: gifts if they're able to get clicks. 456 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: Just gives great gifts, by the way, and I'm sorry 457 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: that I'm at home. 458 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: Just open, Okay. So I have to say before everyone 459 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 2: sees this, this is ethically sourced. Ethically sourced, okay. 460 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: And now I'm dying to know what it is. I 461 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: hope it's from Quince. It's clothing, I know, is it 462 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: from Quint's. 463 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to look at it first cash bitel, but 464 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: he's matching. I had to do a lot of work 465 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 2: to get them. 466 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: We want to stay underneath it, fight with cash. Wait 467 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: are you are you supposed to wait? This is more explanation, Jesse. 468 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: Well, he sells merch as we know, and he has 469 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 2: merchandise for his FBI work. So I went and found 470 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: an ethical way to buy it that wouldn't give him money. 471 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: That's will be discussed a different way that I don't 472 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 2: don't want to Andy, you're giving away the game here now. 473 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 3: I mean con I'm just saying everyone was thinking except. 474 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 2: But you now have matchig his and hers and BALI 475 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: I know you love it oversized, so uh, I was 476 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: just waiting for you. 477 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: I am so excited about my birthday present. I would 478 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: like to take a minute here to talk about some 479 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: of the other birthday presents I've gotten from Jesse Cannon, 480 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: because for years, for the many years we've worked together, 481 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: he has given me cameos from some of the more 482 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: dubious members of the Trump administration. Rudy Dan Bongino, right. 483 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 3: Alan Derschwitz, Oh, the the Sebastian. 484 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: Gorka, doctor Sebastian he is actually I think the head 485 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: of the CIA right now. I'm pretty sure. 486 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: One other one, but it's slipping my mind. But okay, 487 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: we should. 488 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: Close up, and we're going to close out now. But 489 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: just I just want to point out that Lebo wrote 490 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: a piece about Alan Drschwitz and in it talks about 491 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: how UH has been forsaken by Larry David and it 492 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: has really hurt him and so maybe he, like Michael Wolfe, 493 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: should not have been in the Epstein Filesmen Sky Perryman 494 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: is the founder of Democracy Forward and the author of 495 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: Ordinary People, Extraordinary Times. How do we claim your power, 496 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: fight for freedom and reimagine democracy? Okay, welcome, Welcome, Sky Perryman, 497 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: so good to be with you. So we are talking 498 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: about this book Extraordinary Ordinary People, Extraordinary Times. And the 499 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: book is about tell us, how tell us, tell us 500 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: what the idea. 501 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 4: Is guide for all of us. 502 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 5: And this book has steps that we can take in 503 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 5: our own lives to be part of the fight for freedom, 504 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 5: to be part of the work for a better future. 505 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 5: The number one question that I hear from so many people, 506 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 5: that I'm sure Molly, that you hear from so many people, 507 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 5: is people asking what can I do? 508 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 4: And this book answers that question. 509 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: So give us some of the It's very instructive. And 510 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: the first one I would love you to talk to 511 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: us about stop spiraling and pick up a shovel. 512 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 4: That's the first step. 513 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 5: Is we're in a situation right now where it is 514 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 5: a feature, not a bug that these anti democratic autocratic actors, 515 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 5: Donald Trump and his allies others, they want you to 516 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 5: feel like there's nothing you can do, and it puts 517 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 5: you in this complete spiral. 518 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 4: There's a lot of reasons to spiral. 519 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 5: There are lots of threats and many harmful things are 520 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 5: happening to so many people in communities across the country. 521 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 5: But we have to figure out how we respond in 522 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 5: the midst of that harm and the best thing to 523 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 5: do is to pick up a shovel and get to work. 524 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 5: And so the first chapter really takes us through the 525 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 5: steps of how we shift our mindset. And I know 526 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 5: we all have to work on this from day to 527 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 5: day because there's so much that can send us in 528 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 5: this spiral. 529 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the first one. Now let's talk about 530 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: the second one is achieve information. Sobriety, I thought you. 531 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 4: Might like this one. 532 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 5: This is really again we have to switch our mindset 533 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 5: from being spectators democracies on a spectator sports to saying 534 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 5: we're going to pick up a shovel and get to work. 535 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 5: But then the question is like how do we do 536 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 5: that work and what information are we taking in? And 537 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 5: so the second step is about our media environment and 538 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 5: our media diet, and we take people through if you're 539 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 5: someone that's struggling with this and what I call an 540 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 5: information and inventory, like where are we getting our information? 541 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 5: Do we really need to watch hours and hours of 542 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 5: cable news. Do we really need to be on every 543 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 5: single group chat that's sent the latest outrage of the day, 544 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 5: if that's motivating to you, or if you really need 545 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 5: to do it. I mean, I've got to look at 546 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 5: a lot of this stuff because we have to go 547 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 5: to court and see in order to protect people's rights. 548 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 5: But a lot of Americans don't actually have to be 549 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 5: informed about the minute by minute outrages every single second, 550 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 5: and our media environment that's feeding us disinformation. In some instances, 551 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 5: misinformation and disinformation can really put us in a doom 552 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 5: scrolling spiral. And so this chapter provides I think, really 553 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 5: easy steps that we can all take that are basic 554 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 5: to make sure that we're being attentive to how we're 555 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 5: getting our information, how much information are we getting, Are 556 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 5: we doing social media blackouts? Are we taking a breather 557 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 5: when we can? But then also about how to support 558 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 5: a pro democracy media ecosystem, which is of course why 559 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 5: I'm so excited to be on this show. Right Like, 560 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 5: you can make choices about the types of journalists you're 561 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,719 Speaker 5: going to support, the types of shows you're going to support, 562 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 5: getting to know your local journalists, figuring out how to 563 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 5: really be part of a solution to what is increasingly 564 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 5: concerning any environment. 565 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: The third one is begin at your front door. 566 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 4: So this one is one of Yeah, this one's one 567 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 4: of my favorites. 568 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 5: And it's what we see and what data tells us. 569 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 5: It's what our own experiences show us if we really 570 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 5: think about it. So democracy is not the Supreme Court 571 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 5: building and the Capitol and whatever is happening in the 572 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 5: White House. Democracy begins at our front door. It's how 573 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 5: we're interfacing with our neighbors. It's who is leading our 574 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 5: local communities. It's what's happening at the school board meetings, 575 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 5: what's happening at the voting booth and in our local 576 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 5: polling places. 577 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 4: And so this chapter provides people and. 578 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 5: Some instances, very easy, repeatable steps that they can take 579 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 5: to fight for democracy out their own front door. And 580 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 5: if we all did that, guess what we would not 581 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 5: have the national crisis that we have right now. 582 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 4: So, and I will say throughout. 583 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 5: Book, and I'm sure you saw this, there are steps 584 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 5: you can take if you've got five minutes, Like I 585 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 5: get that people, a lot of folks are exhaust We've 586 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 5: got a lot on our plates. There are steps that 587 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 5: you can take if you have an hour. There are 588 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 5: steps that you can take if you have a day, 589 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 5: if you want to make a longer term commitment. So 590 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 5: the book really seeks to meet people where they are, 591 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 5: and this chapter is all about getting local and how 592 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 5: we can strengthen our local communities. There are also resources 593 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 5: part of fighting for democracy at your own front door. 594 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 5: Starting at your front door is protecting our neighbors, and 595 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 5: more and more Americans are having to use their themselves 596 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 5: their resources in order to be able to protect our 597 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 5: neighbors and our community members from our government. And there 598 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 5: are resources in here about how you can know your rights, 599 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 5: how you can lend a hand, and how our position 600 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 5: and privilege affects the way that we engage in this moment. 601 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 5: And and there's no one size that's all for every 602 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 5: single person in this country. 603 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: For practice. Tailgate accountability does that mean. 604 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 5: Well, this is a phrase that I use in order 605 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 5: this is like the proverbial tailgate. I tell a story 606 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 5: about how when I began dating my husband and kind 607 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 5: of married into his family. They're very big football people, 608 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 5: and so we go to these tailgates. And when you're 609 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 5: at a tailgate, you're talking about whatever somebody's making on 610 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 5: the grill, you're talking about the game, and often I'm 611 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 5: interfacing with people who may not see things the same 612 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 5: way I do politically, And what I've learned through these 613 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 5: tailgates is that there are ways to connect with people 614 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 5: even if we don't agree on every single issue, and 615 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 5: even if we are on different sides of a political 616 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 5: or ideological spectrum. And so this chapter is about how 617 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 5: to have these conversations and how to speak across difference. 618 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 5: It's about debunking what Donald Trump and his allies want 619 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 5: us to believe, which is that the country is so 620 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 5: hopelessly polarized that there's nothing that we can do. It 621 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 5: actually sets the record straight that the data shows us 622 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 5: that we are largely aligned on so many issues, but 623 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 5: there are high levels of political polarization because of anti 624 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 5: democratic actors that want to pit us against each other. 625 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 5: So it's about how to have those hard conversations. And 626 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 5: then it's also about how to hold our own communities accountable, 627 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 5: and our own selves and our own intimate communities accountable. 628 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 5: If we are in a space where someone is saying 629 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 5: dehumanizing things about another person or another people group, it 630 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 5: is up to us to hold ourselves and our communities 631 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 5: accountable and to not allow that to occur, and to 632 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 5: have those hard conversations as well. So it's about speaking 633 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 5: across difference as well as holding our own intimate communities accountable. 634 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: I want you to give me sort of your feeling 635 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: in this moment of where we are, because what I 636 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: have seen, and maybe I'm getting high on my own supply. 637 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time trying to figure out 638 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: how what my bias is and where it gets me. 639 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: But one of the things that I've noticed is it 640 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: strikes me that the the normal people are much more 641 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: upset about what's happening in this country than the elites. 642 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: And the elites seem to sort of have gamified this 643 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: whole thing, and normal people are marching in the streets 644 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: and you know, devastated by gas prices, and you know, like, 645 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: it strikes me that what we're seeing is not what 646 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,919 Speaker 1: we're seeing from the sort of elites, is not what's 647 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: happening in the rest of the country. Am I wrong? 648 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: Am I own drugs? What do you you are? I mean, look, 649 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 1: you're suing this administration in every which way. So you're 650 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: seeing judges and lawyers and but you're also seeing people 651 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: on the ground were affected by this administration. I'm wondering 652 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: what you're seeing. 653 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 4: No, I think you're right on. 654 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 5: And this is why I wrote this book is what 655 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 5: we have seen in our work a Democracy Forward is 656 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 5: that as power institutions have stepped back, as many elite 657 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 5: institutions have sort of forgotten like where they are. I 658 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 5: think some of them have forgotten that if you're on 659 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 5: the sidelines, you end up on the wrong side of history. 660 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 5: In a moment like this, people have stepped forward. It's 661 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 5: a powerful have stepped back. People had stepped forward, and 662 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 5: that is why there's been all of these lawsuits. It's 663 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 5: because ordinary people, whether they are educators, whether they're faith leaders, 664 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 5: whether they're parents, students, researchers, ordinary people going about their lives, 665 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 5: have said, I don't want to use every single tool 666 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 5: I had. One of those tools is the courts, and 667 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 5: our team at Democracy Forward is always happy to be 668 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 5: there to help people use the courts. But the other 669 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 5: tools are supporting our neighbors showing up, making signs, using 670 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 5: our voices, making our phone calls. And that's really the 671 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 5: motivation for this book is that if you go read 672 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 5: pieces from the elite, you would think it's all over, 673 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 5: that we should just pack up our bags, there's nothing 674 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 5: that can be done that sort of or some people 675 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 5: think that everything's going just fine because their portfolio is 676 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 5: still doing okay. But that's not what we're seeing from 677 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 5: ordinary people. And there is such an amazing energy right 678 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 5: now in this moment across the country where people are 679 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 5: asking what can I do? And not just advocates and 680 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 5: not just activists, and not just lawyers and not just politicians, 681 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 5: like ordinary people are asking this. 682 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 4: And so that's what this book is all about. 683 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 5: And I think that you're right on that there is 684 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 5: this difference between what we hear from the powerful and 685 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 5: the elite and what we experience in communities with people. 686 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: So what other things are you doing in this Yeah? 687 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: With legally in the courts right now? 688 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, we have made we are making 689 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 5: sure that people in communities in this country are able 690 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 5: to use the courts to challenge when the rights are violated, 691 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 5: which means that we are in court every single day 692 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 5: and most nights, alongside the state ages and alongside our 693 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 5: friends and organizations like the ACLU. Our team at Democracy 694 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 5: Forward most recently has blocked the one point eight billion 695 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 5: dollar slush fund that Donald Trump has tried to institute. 696 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 5: We were able to block that in the court, so 697 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 5: we were able to point out the contradictions of Todd 698 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 5: Blanche's statements that the slush fund is dead. While he 699 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 5: won't swear that to a federal court. We are now 700 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 5: challenging the IRS immunity provisions. 701 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 4: Just one second. 702 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 5: We have restored millions of dollars, billions of dollars in 703 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 5: some instances to community programs that Congress put in place 704 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,280 Speaker 5: that the administration just decided they could ignore Congress and discontinues. 705 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 5: That's been really important. And then of course we're doing 706 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 5: a lot of work on the First Amendment. This is 707 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 5: an administration that continues to try to retaliate against people 708 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 5: that they perceive see things differently than them, or that 709 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,280 Speaker 5: they perceive or their political enemies, and that's not permitted 710 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 5: under the Constitution. And then we're gearing up for this 711 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 5: election season where we know that the threats from the 712 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 5: president will be vast, but we know that the people 713 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 5: are really ready and we're going to make sure they're 714 00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 5: ready in court. 715 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 1: What do you think that's gonna like? What are the 716 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 1: things that Trump thinks he can do that he can't. 717 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 5: Well, he thinks he can have some type of role 718 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 5: with the elections, which doesn't exist in this country. I mean, 719 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 5: the people that threw off a king, whether we think 720 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 5: that they were well intentioned or not, I mean, the 721 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 5: people that threw off a king did not allow the 722 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 5: chief executive to have a role with respect to elections. 723 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 5: And so our constitution makes it clear that the elections 724 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,399 Speaker 5: are a matter for state and local communities. Congress has 725 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 5: some limited abilities with elections, but the president doesn't. And 726 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 5: so that's why he's losing so much in court right 727 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 5: now on all of his election related shenanigans. I mean, 728 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 5: he has lost twenty one cases to try to get 729 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 5: state voter roles. We have blocked their use of a 730 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 5: modified save database at the Department of Homeland Security where 731 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 5: they're trying to misuse people's data to remove eligible voters 732 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 5: from the roles. And we're going to continue to file 733 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,800 Speaker 5: and win cases because the president just doesn't have the 734 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 5: authority that he claims that he has. He also seems 735 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 5: to think that like if he declared a national emergency, 736 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 5: but somehow that enables him to rewrite the Constitution. And 737 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 5: have power over the elections that he still doesn't have. 738 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,280 Speaker 5: And so you know, we've seen his national emergency attempts 739 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,720 Speaker 5: fail in the courts. He tried to deploy the National 740 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 5: Guard in Illinois, courts blocked at the Supreme Court left 741 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 5: the court order in place because there was no basis 742 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 5: for the president's deployments. But we also even if he 743 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 5: was able to declare some type of emergency, he doesn't 744 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 5: get to override. 745 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 4: Elections in this country. And I think he's quite confused 746 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 4: about that. I guess I'll say. 747 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, correct. Tell people that you guys are 748 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,800 Speaker 1: going to be in court with the midterms and that 749 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: everybody has safe voting in free and fair elections. 750 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,799 Speaker 5: We're going to make sure that people are able to vote, 751 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 5: that their votes are counted in the elections are realized. 752 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 5: And so there's a big role for lawyers to play, 753 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 5: and we, along with so many others, will be in 754 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,760 Speaker 5: the courts. We already are in the courts, we're already 755 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,800 Speaker 5: filing and winning these cases. 756 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 4: But there's also a role for. 757 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 5: Ordinary Americans, for people that are not lawyers that do 758 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 5: election work. 759 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 4: We need people to show up. 760 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 5: We need people to say to love themselves enough that 761 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 5: they want to protect themselves and their communities and their 762 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 5: families and to show up and to vote. And so 763 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 5: that's what we're asking every single American to do. The 764 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 5: Democracy Forward website has an amazing amount of resources. We 765 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 5: have a People's Guide to Voting Rights that would encourage 766 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 5: folks to go get We're keeping it up to date. 767 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 4: And the book of. 768 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 5: Course Ordinary People, Extraordinary Times that comes out has a 769 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 5: ton of resources about how you can not only protect 770 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 5: your own right to vote, but how you can protect 771 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 5: your community's right to vote as well. 772 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: Sky Perriman, I hope you'll come back. 773 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 4: Thanks were no. 774 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon my junk fast. 775 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 2: So the DOJ is seeking to question the FBI officials 776 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 2: who were tied to the search of the Marlago States. 777 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 2: The vengeance and the time spent on all the stupid 778 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,399 Speaker 2: shit never ends. 779 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean also, like, how is there even anyone 780 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 1: left in the FBI at this point. You'll remember the 781 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: FBI being led by Cash Patel, most famous for drinking 782 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: with the hockey team and squiring his country music star 783 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: I think Star is doing some heavy lifting girlfriend around. 784 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: So basically the request came from investigators working with Joe Degenova, 785 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: another Trump ali who you've seen on television. He's overseeing 786 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: the Florida based investigation earlier this year. So if it 787 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: would be funny if we weren't paying for it, it 788 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 1: would be funny if taxpayers were not paying for it. 789 00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,320 Speaker 1: But this, there are not words for how incredibly fucked 790 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: up this is. And it's just like yet another case 791 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 1: of it. This is again Trump trying to punish anyone 792 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,839 Speaker 1: who is trying to find accountability. And by the way, 793 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: like the search wasn't their idea, they didn't cook it up, 794 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 1: like they were following what a warrant had been issued 795 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: by a judge. So I mean, the whole idea that 796 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: somehow you should punish people who follow the law is 797 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: a really good example of how none of this is 798 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: supposed to work. So Donald Trump, yet again ruining our 799 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: law enforcement, just completely fucking everything up. That's it for 800 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, 801 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: Thursday and Saturday to hear the best minds and politics 802 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: make sense of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast, 803 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going. 804 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.