Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast thanks, they could give Jason
Speaker 1: Statham a run for his money.
Speaker 2: From the Chris Westling podcast studio, It's around the NFL.
Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hans's got heroes here, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler
Speaker 2: heroes both Week fifteen preview in Bulk And here's some
Speaker 2: data points.
Speaker 3: Boys, will a little data points entering? Sure, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: of course get.
Speaker 4: Into the Yeah, I think Dan, I think data absolutely,
Speaker 4: data points.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Thirteen of thirty teams playing Saturday Sunday Monday are either
Speaker 2: seven and six or six and seven. Here's something's going
Speaker 2: to really blow your mind. Gregy forty three point three
Speaker 2: percent of the league. Aaron Shatz, friend of the show
Speaker 2: Analytics Demigod, creator of DVOA.
Speaker 3: And many hot Saturday Nights Good Ladies.
Speaker 2: Said on Twitter seven different NFL games this week where
Speaker 2: his projected line is less than three points, including all
Speaker 2: three Saturday games we have, and you're going to get
Speaker 2: the recap tonight. A true loser goes home match on
Speaker 2: TNF five and eight Raiders five and eight charges. I
Speaker 2: know they're already dead, but nine losses goodbye and three
Speaker 2: seven and six vs. Seven and six, both of them
Speaker 2: are two seven and six and seven and six both
Speaker 2: Saturday on NFL Network Ding and one six and seven v.
Speaker 2: Six and seven, which should be an elimination game, but
Speaker 2: it won't be because the NFC Wildcard race is quite
Speaker 2: frankly uncouth.
Speaker 5: I feel like many decades ago, like Pete Roselle, former commissioner,
Speaker 5: would have like a long NFL dream in the middle
Speaker 5: of the night and it would look like this, like
Speaker 5: this is what they've always wanted, and we're.
Speaker 4: Here where Rozelle wanted. I know rog wants it in general, superpowers, right,
Speaker 4: Burt Bell wanted it. Not to get all oh Wesseling
Speaker 4: on you here, but he would talk about Burt Bell
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 3: Mark, that was his vision, Right, you should just excuse yourself.
Speaker 3: It's just no reason to do the show.
Speaker 5: I'm just more saying like, for for as long as
Speaker 5: we've been watching football, like they didn't want four teams
Speaker 5: to dominate everyone else in you know, eighteen teams are
Speaker 5: non existent right now. Each week we thought about like
Speaker 5: we could speed round through games that don't have a
Speaker 5: team that matters, and we haven't found one of those
Speaker 5: games yet.
Speaker 2: In the past, we've been able to start picking and
Speaker 2: choosing late in the season. As it stands right now,
Speaker 2: that's not really an option for ninety five percent.
Speaker 3: Of the games, which is cool. Let's go, let's figure
Speaker 3: it out. No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the new world, like the way the NFL draft
Speaker 4: happened back in the day, was to keep everyone competitive
Speaker 4: and then the salary cap like it it is, I think,
Speaker 4: in part the most successful American sport because it's as
Speaker 4: socialist as possible. They all own the league together, and
Speaker 4: at some point they've kind of gotten rid of that
Speaker 4: a little bit. It was in the best interest of
Speaker 4: all of the teams to make the league better as
Speaker 4: a whole in a way that just other businesses aren't.
Speaker 4: And it happened to work pretty well for this business.
Speaker 4: That's why we don't have, you know, Patrick Mahomes signing
Speaker 4: for one billion dollars. I was thinking, like, if sho
Speaker 4: Hey Otani is seven hundred million dollars, what is Patrick Mahomes'
Speaker 4: actual value, like on a ten year contract, I would
Speaker 4: go like one point five billion something like that.
Speaker 2: Otani is kind of an outlier because he's a true
Speaker 2: global brand.
Speaker 5: I get it, that's true, but Mahomes is becoming that,
Speaker 5: Like I guess that's the goal as we as we
Speaker 5: talked about on Wednesday with the international series expanding, they
Speaker 5: want Mahomes to become like Messi and like Otani, and
Speaker 5: I could see it happening.
Speaker 4: But every football a quarterback is more valuable than any
Speaker 4: baseball player could ever be.
Speaker 3: Otani's like like in the Unicorn.
Speaker 2: World, literally brought up to one player in the history
Speaker 2: since Babe Ruth that maybe it's different because he's a
Speaker 2: picture too.
Speaker 4: Right, But I just you know, just look at the
Speaker 4: Angels record over the last six years. Patrick Mahomes would
Speaker 4: would not be out look at their attendance.
Speaker 2: That's you know, speaking of Chris Westling, the old lombardiism,
Speaker 2: like football is the perfect sport except for one thing
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks do in part m He just that's what
Speaker 2: it's all about.
Speaker 3: And yet in this week quarterbacks for telling you that's
Speaker 3: not true.
Speaker 2: This yeah, and this weird year, Patrick Mahomes is struggling
Speaker 2: relative to his brilliant career.
Speaker 3: All right, let's get into it. I'm excited. Let's start.
Speaker 3: Mark goes here, Well, we're gonna start with the primetime games. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's start here.
Speaker 4: I like that you're excited, though, for what these are
Speaker 4: the two best games that we're going to talk about today,
Speaker 4: by the way, or two of the three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a banger coming up with our first
Speaker 2: overall pick in the draft. But let's start with the
Speaker 2: Sunday night football affair, and it is a very good
Speaker 2: one and it has big ramifications in the AFC at
Speaker 2: the top. For once, we're going to be talking about
Speaker 2: the top of the conference. The ten and three Ravens
Speaker 2: leading the AFC North. Are they currently the number one series?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Ties, ties, and they now travel to Jacksonville to face
Speaker 2: the Jaguars who lead the AFC South. Obviously, Greg, but
Speaker 2: these are two teams in different places. Is the Ravens
Speaker 2: who have had a very successful season. Obviously the record
Speaker 2: tells you that, but they also had a big win
Speaker 2: against the Rams at home on the walk off punt return,
Speaker 2: the type of game they've lost a few times this year.
Speaker 2: So just like, okay, three wins in a row Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: On the flip side, they looked like when you looked
Speaker 2: at the schedule a fortnight ago, let's markism that means
Speaker 2: two weeks, it was like, you know, they actually have
Speaker 2: an inside track to the number one seed. And then
Speaker 2: they lose to Cincinnati, they lose to Cleveland, and now
Speaker 2: they kind of need this game to salt away their
Speaker 2: division and even stay in the hunt for a buye.
Speaker 4: And when you look at how the team is trending,
Speaker 4: they really feel in different directions. Yes, you know, the
Speaker 4: Ravens aren't so dominant that every game is like a kakewalk.
Speaker 4: The last two games they were like in it tight
Speaker 4: games against the Chargers in the Rams, who aren't at
Speaker 4: the top of the league. And yet you look at
Speaker 4: the Jaguars and at least right now, I look at
Speaker 4: them and think, is this team any good?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: Are they better than those six and seven and six teams?
Speaker 4: And I think right now, and it could certainly change,
Speaker 4: They're not. Their offensive line is quite banged up. They
Speaker 4: haven't played well even when they were healthy. They are
Speaker 4: thirtieth in pass block win rate and I think twenty
Speaker 4: eighth in run block win rate. They can't they can't
Speaker 4: run block, they can't pass block. Lawrence is hurt. He
Speaker 4: looked fine last week, but he missed a lot of throws.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that was because he also made
Speaker 4: a lot of throws. So that I'm less worried about
Speaker 4: but he threw twenty seven passes to his two main
Speaker 4: receivers without Christian kirk there, Zay Jones and Calvin Ridley
Speaker 4: that resulted in eighty seven yards. That's a lot of
Speaker 4: problems for one offense for a team that can't run
Speaker 4: the ball.
Speaker 3: Evin Ingram finding his way has been a big help
Speaker 3: on the on the flip.
Speaker 4: Side, He's been fantastic on the other side of the ball.
Speaker 4: Their best cornerback hasn't been himself and is out of practice,
Speaker 4: Tyson Campbell. The secondary's been giving up huge plays, Devin
Speaker 4: Lloyd's been completely targeted over the last two weeks as
Speaker 4: a linebacker, and they haven't had a good pass rush
Speaker 4: all year.
Speaker 3: That's why I added all up.
Speaker 4: And I think like they're probably better than a aching
Speaker 4: it out to be, but right now they don't look
Speaker 4: like a good team at all.
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm locking up the Ravens. Let's go.
Speaker 3: We're just we're doing it. We're going, got a show going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Greg has been out of control this season
Speaker 2: in the locks, and I feel like this is not
Speaker 2: the first, the second, or even the third time you've
Speaker 2: locked them locked them quite Baltimore. So yeah, if you're
Speaker 2: a Jaguars fan. Knowing Greg's historic pace right now bad news.
Speaker 3: Mark.
Speaker 5: I texted our producing crew that I was also locking
Speaker 5: up the Ravens, but it's too boring.
Speaker 3: I'm not. I just don't want to do it to
Speaker 3: shot at you.
Speaker 5: But no, no, you can go, because that would be
Speaker 5: all three of us doing and then it's just it's
Speaker 5: a boat heading off a waterfall.
Speaker 3: At that point, you'll think about it. Let me think
Speaker 3: about this, Okay for the show. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not taking a shot at you at all. I
Speaker 5: know your strategy. We got into Greg's mind last week,
Speaker 5: and I enjoyed that aspect of it.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting place in there. I'm sure it is
Speaker 3: in the old Rosenthal mine. I'm sure it is.
Speaker 5: I like to your point about his targets, Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5: Last week, part of it was, you know, it's in Cleveland.
Speaker 5: It was a kind of a gloomy, strange day there.
Speaker 5: He looked fine to me in terms of his mobility.
Speaker 5: I mean, he thought he moved around really well. But
Speaker 5: then it's like, how did it affect everything else about him?
Speaker 3: Throwing?
Speaker 5: Because the one thing I saw over and over was
Speaker 5: that when he targeted Zay Jones without Christian Kirk in
Speaker 5: the lineup, disaster a card. Every time he had three interceptions,
Speaker 5: he had five turnover worthy plays. You're right about Evan Ingram,
Speaker 5: that's sort of his leading guy right now. But is
Speaker 5: that how that offense wants to be constructed.
Speaker 3: I mean it should be. There needs to be like
Speaker 3: a robin to someone's batman, like I think.
Speaker 4: I think the idea was supposed to be Ridley Kirk
Speaker 4: Ingram and then to a lesser degree, z It's like
Speaker 4: and it's a spread the wealth because Ridley hasn't Maybe
Speaker 4: they thought he'd be more of a number one type
Speaker 4: and he hasn't been consistent enough for that.
Speaker 5: I mean, Kyle Hamilton getting hurt against the Rams would
Speaker 5: be a huge factor.
Speaker 3: He's back at practice there.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 5: It's like the I guess these injuries that look sort
Speaker 5: of catastrophic on Sunday, we find out that it's just
Speaker 5: a it's a giggle fest.
Speaker 3: They're fined by Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Oh. I'm sure it's probably been a rough week for him.
Speaker 4: He's probably grinding through it.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying he doesn't feel pain. It's just that
Speaker 5: most of these guys probably hasn't laughed since last Saturday.
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence has a high ankle sprain. Yeah, man, and
Speaker 5: it didn't look like.
Speaker 3: He had on a Super Bowl a high ankle spring.
Speaker 2: It depends, Yeah, yeah, I think a high ankle sprain
Speaker 2: isn't is different for a quarterback then for a running
Speaker 2: back like you see romondra Stevenson as his example, he
Speaker 2: has a high ankle sprain. Now it could be a
Speaker 2: different variety. It's like see in a month and we
Speaker 2: might shut you down a quarterback. It's just a little
Speaker 2: bit different. But to your point, Greg, it is messing
Speaker 2: with the lower half of a QB, so some accuracy issues.
Speaker 2: Even if it looks like he's moving, well, maybe it
Speaker 2: is affecting him. He would never say say it. Now
Speaker 2: here's an interesting stack, Greg. And another reason why just
Speaker 2: kind of riding the Ravens train this year is wise
Speaker 2: Baltimore has trailed.
Speaker 3: This is from our research notes.
Speaker 2: An NFL low one hour, sixteen minutes and eight seconds
Speaker 2: this entire season of game time, and.
Speaker 4: You cant the rams right thinking about that game right
Speaker 4: in chunk.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to do this because this is
Speaker 3: not how sports work.
Speaker 2: But you could if they just changed the ending of
Speaker 2: a couple of those games that they let get away,
Speaker 2: they could be undefeated right now. That's the type of
Speaker 2: season the Ravens are having. So yes, it's a big
Speaker 2: test with the Jaguars. I think they're getting Jacksonville at
Speaker 2: a time where they're not so sharp.
Speaker 3: And I do like the raven I think in some
Speaker 3: of those.
Speaker 5: Games where they got nipped, they were sloppy on offense.
Speaker 5: I think we felt that way even in London, like
Speaker 5: it's just like they were they weren't who they are,
Speaker 5: but they I.
Speaker 3: Look way last week at times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but last week also to me showed a bit
Speaker 5: of a pivot for them, where like Isaiah likely in
Speaker 5: the absence of Mark Andrews, steps up. Odell Beckham, who
Speaker 5: was just a thought or a theory in London, has
Speaker 5: completely stepped up and he's part of their offense.
Speaker 3: It's like ornament for a while, yeah, but no longer.
Speaker 5: Keaton Mitchell, who wasn't even part of the offense back then,
Speaker 5: has be giving them big play. So it's like I
Speaker 5: see a team that's kind of like getting more powerful
Speaker 5: at the right time.
Speaker 4: I trust their running game, I trust their defense. I
Speaker 4: think the passing game can be a little erratic here
Speaker 4: and there. Even though Lamar is playing well, it's just
Speaker 4: like they're not always on the same page. But that's
Speaker 4: that's the biggest issue. And against this defense, I don't
Speaker 4: think it's gonna matter, although who knows. They they It's
Speaker 4: a big game for both of these divisions. If if
Speaker 4: if anyone wants any hope of winning the AFC North
Speaker 4: other than the Ravens, they need the Ravens to lose
Speaker 4: this game. And if the Jaguars want to let the
Speaker 4: Colts and Texans back in, they can do it by losing.
Speaker 5: If you're the Jaguars and you're like, look in your schedule,
Speaker 5: like not if this, if they fall here, you've just
Speaker 5: been waxed three weeks in a row by the AFC North, I'd.
Speaker 2: Be very noivous if I'm a Jaguars fan heading into
Speaker 2: this game. Let's see Monday Night football. The Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 2: a team licking its wounds at their back to back
Speaker 2: humble fests at the losses at the hands of NFC.
Speaker 2: The NFC leaders now travel to Seattle to get the
Speaker 2: Seahawks mark on the surface, a get right game for
Speaker 2: the Eagles, but a couple of things, a couple of
Speaker 2: things playing into effect here you have. They're just Phillies
Speaker 2: not playing well right now, especially their defense. So we
Speaker 2: if you think about the earlier in the season, we
Speaker 2: were talking up this as just such a complete team,
Speaker 2: and while the offense has been more or less what
Speaker 2: we expected, maybe not quite as dynamic, but still more
Speaker 2: than good enough to get the record they have, it's
Speaker 2: the defense that's really been killing them their last three games.
Speaker 2: They allowed thirty four points to the Bills, very lucky
Speaker 2: to escape with a win there, forty two points to
Speaker 2: the Niners in that blowout, they lose thirty three they
Speaker 2: give up to the Cowboys. So now they get a
Speaker 2: Seahawks team that quite frankly needs this game at six
Speaker 2: and seven, they're at home, it's in prime time.
Speaker 3: I feel like this is a dangerous spot for the
Speaker 3: Eagles too. Everything feels a little dangerous for them.
Speaker 5: I would say that this, you know, thirty three plus
Speaker 5: points in three straight games came against two of the
Speaker 5: best offenses in the league in a Buffalo offense that
Speaker 5: was on it on point that day. So that's a
Speaker 5: They've they've been through a gauntlet I do think that
Speaker 5: this is the kind of coached team, like Sirianni said
Speaker 5: it over and over this week, we're pissed off.
Speaker 3: We're pissed off. Like does that matter?
Speaker 5: I think it does because I think this is like
Speaker 5: a different type of team than eighty five percent of
Speaker 5: the rest of the league that they'll respond well. But
Speaker 5: I will say, like just statistically, their defense is not
Speaker 5: last year's unit at all. I mean, they're thirty first
Speaker 5: in EPA against the run. If you're Seattle, if you've
Speaker 5: got a healthy Kenneth Walker, if you've got you know, Charbonnay,
Speaker 5: you can you can maybe get some sustained some drives there,
Speaker 5: keep it out of jail and hurts his hand.
Speaker 3: They're twenty third the Eagles against against the pass.
Speaker 5: It's just not a great defense right now, and it's
Speaker 5: looked like it they're wanting on that side of the ball,
Speaker 5: but you are playing like, yes, it's.
Speaker 3: A dangerous situation.
Speaker 5: But this is a Seattle team that when they went
Speaker 5: up against a one of the big boys in San Francisco,
Speaker 5: gave up five hundred and twenty seven yards last week
Speaker 5: twenty eight points, and it was like an endless rash
Speaker 5: of like huge plays, explosive plays against the team looks
Speaker 5: kind of broken on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4: To me, the Seahawks have been struggling, and I hate
Speaker 4: to go all transitive property because I don't really believe
Speaker 4: in that stuff. This is a unique case where both
Speaker 4: teams are kind of collap falling apart at the same time,
Speaker 4: and they both just played the two same teams exactly
Speaker 4: in a row, back to back weeks, and the Seahawks
Speaker 4: were much more competitive in both of those games that
Speaker 4: that forty nine Ers game was a game. It was
Speaker 4: certainly their best performance against the forty nine Ers. I
Speaker 4: thought Drew Locke actually was solid, like they weren't embarrassing
Speaker 4: on either side of the ball, whereas the Eagles were
Speaker 4: Cowboys game. Seahawks defense has been embarrassing for a while.
Speaker 4: They were in that game, but the Seahawks offense showed
Speaker 4: up made it a shootout that comes out to the end.
Speaker 3: So it's a little dangerous to do that.
Speaker 4: But considering how recent the Seahawks and Eagles both just
Speaker 4: played the forty nine Ers and Cowboys in a row,
Speaker 4: and that the Seahawks are home, and that they looked
Speaker 4: better in both of those games and that they have
Speaker 4: a chance. I think offensively, we don't know if Geno's
Speaker 4: back as of this taping. We're taping on Thursday, and
Speaker 4: they hadn't practiced yet, so we'll see. But I think
Speaker 4: Locke was good enough that you don't think it's going
Speaker 4: to be a disaster either way at quarterback, Like I
Speaker 4: expect this to be a total score fest. I noticed, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, you said Cess Spice was the only team
Speaker 4: that's you and Brad Spicer picking games on NFL that
Speaker 4: I'm the only team that picked the Eagles. They are
Speaker 4: the only people that picked the Eagles. I mean the
Speaker 4: Seahawks to win this game, and I'm kind of with you.
Speaker 4: I'm picking them on game debut. I think they could
Speaker 4: keep going badly this iss if everyone thinks this is
Speaker 4: what's going to happen, but no one thinks it nine
Speaker 4: out of ten, I don't think. Oh really you think
Speaker 4: the Seahawks.
Speaker 2: I think they are in a good position here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and but here here's the thing. If the if the
Speaker 2: Eagles well coached, I guess they are very talented.
Speaker 3: They are well coached. They are they are pissed off,
Speaker 3: I imagine and humbled. They absolute would it? Would it
Speaker 3: stun you if they kick butt? No, They're favored by
Speaker 3: four and a half for a reason, right, so that
Speaker 3: could happen.
Speaker 2: And if they do that, everyone's gonna even though they
Speaker 2: are a tests to come in the playoffs because we
Speaker 2: just saw what happened when they face some Juggernauts. But
Speaker 2: if they get by Seattle and kind of steady the ship,
Speaker 2: they get the Giants twice sandwiched around Arizona, and they're
Speaker 2: probably the first seed or a very good chance to
Speaker 2: be so.
Speaker 4: So the sky is not falling and you can get
Speaker 4: this win. You're a very good shape in Philly. It's
Speaker 4: fallen right now just because they get it. You know,
Speaker 4: they're panicking, and I think they got to just get
Speaker 4: back to their their defense. I don't know if you
Speaker 4: can fix it all in the back end. I think
Speaker 4: they can get closer to average instead of being bad.
Speaker 4: But the offense needs to be elite, and it only
Speaker 4: scored one touchdown last week. And the Seahawks have been
Speaker 4: by far the worst run defense in the league since
Speaker 4: Week eight according to EPA, and like the Eagles, just
Speaker 4: seem to refuse to run or run effectively. Maybe that's
Speaker 4: the Hurts isn't totally healthy, but even the DeAndre Swift factor, Like,
Speaker 4: why aren't they just mashing teams? And this seems like
Speaker 4: a perfect team to masch against. These have been two
Speaker 4: of the worst defenses in the league since Week eight
Speaker 4: in general. But I want Philip like Philadelphia. It seems like,
Speaker 4: especially in this matchup, seems like there are options here.
Speaker 4: And I'm curious too what Seattle's going to do. I
Speaker 4: think one thing they might do is bench Jamal Adams
Speaker 4: because their defense falling apart has coincided very evenly with
Speaker 4: ben Jamal Adams playing a lot and coming back from injury,
Speaker 4: and he's just he's just a target every time he's.
Speaker 3: You better hide Pete Carroll's wife. If that's what, if
Speaker 3: that ends up happening.
Speaker 4: I think he talked about making some changes, and I
Speaker 4: was like, well, what changes are they going to make?
Speaker 3: Because he's their worst player right now? All right?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, when he got toasted last week watching him
Speaker 2: doing the sprints trying to catch up, so I think
Speaker 2: it was deebo it was like, oh my goodness, all right,
Speaker 2: let's move on. It's time for the first overall pick
Speaker 2: presented by DraftKings Mark. He got a slam dunk with
Speaker 2: the first overall pick, does he?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's obvious. Okay, Cowboys at Bills, come on, Gregy, Okay,
Speaker 3: I just didn't know if he would want to protect
Speaker 3: you know, his his interests. This is my interest. I
Speaker 3: got it like it. Let me take a look at
Speaker 3: that means by Greg, I know it is looking at me.
Speaker 3: The Browns have the best early game. We'll get to
Speaker 3: that later.
Speaker 5: Well, I kind of, first of all, I want this game,
Speaker 5: but had I gon any if I go in any
Speaker 5: other direction, it's an extra eight minutes of discussion about
Speaker 5: why I went other than the Yeah, yess, I'm just
Speaker 5: doing what I already talk about transitive properties and also
Speaker 5: that that's how that works. So but I kind of
Speaker 5: love this game because it's like the Cowboys just did it,
Speaker 5: Like we were asking them to go win a game
Speaker 5: against someone and kind of change the way that we
Speaker 5: feel about the now. I already thought they were that team.
Speaker 5: We've been saying that for weeks. It's not like suddenly
Speaker 5: they're legitimate. But that was a huge victory, and it's like,
Speaker 5: how do you respond off of that? Because it's like
Speaker 5: we've got a quarterback who is in the thick of
Speaker 5: the MVP race. You've got a team right now that
Speaker 5: has won eight games by twenty plus points this season.
Speaker 5: And it's not just because of offense. It's not it's
Speaker 5: because they're getting like incredible support from their defense.
Speaker 3: Their special teams is insane.
Speaker 5: The only other three teams that have done that in
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl era to win by eight games by
Speaker 5: twenty plus points are these three teams. The two thousand
Speaker 5: and seven Patriots eighteen and one, the ninety nine Rams.
Speaker 4: Super Bowl champions all time offense ninety six Packers Great
Speaker 4: Brett fav Championship year.
Speaker 5: They are We just talked about all the problems the
Speaker 5: Eagles are happy having. It's like to me, I don't
Speaker 5: care where this all ends up. Like the Cowboys are
Speaker 5: right now better than the Eagles, and they proved it
Speaker 5: last week pretty decisively. I think they're far better than
Speaker 5: the Bills, I really do. I don't like that this
Speaker 5: is in Buffalo. I think Dallas is a really different team.
Speaker 5: They they it's on grass. Their losses have come on grass.
Speaker 3: Does that matter? I think it does, just.
Speaker 5: Not turf, but like actual grass. You well, I don't
Speaker 5: know about that. I could study that, but like get
Speaker 5: back to that one earth.
Speaker 4: Grass post game paid Management. Earth Grass like they're in
Speaker 4: western New York, not too far from Woodstock, you know.
Speaker 3: Just that's true.
Speaker 5: All these things are who Stock is roughly that happened
Speaker 5: fifty three years ago, fifty four years ago.
Speaker 2: But Woodstock, Yeah, I was talking about, Yeah, the olymp biscuit, Woodstock,
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 5: Oh, no, I'm thinking of like the one that was
Speaker 5: actually no, I'm sure I'm with you. Yours was a
Speaker 5: that one was a disaster.
Speaker 3: Don't say yours. Well no, but like if you were
Speaker 3: that's sixty nine is yours?
Speaker 5: No, you're you're refer no, you're referring to like your
Speaker 5: Woodstock reference is the okay?
Speaker 4: I mean, why would you go to just having a
Speaker 4: good time. Greg brought up the ninety nine one.
Speaker 3: That's fair. There's also ninety four when green Day ate
Speaker 3: the mud. That was a sneaky that.
Speaker 5: One had to that's second place, the other one third place,
Speaker 5: olymp biscuit, third place. I this is the one thing
Speaker 5: is I think the Bills now are in the same
Speaker 5: They beat the Chiefs, but we're all like everyone's down
Speaker 5: on the Chiefs. And it was that came down to
Speaker 5: controversy at the end, but like Buffalo right here kind
Speaker 5: of announces to us, yes we're for real, yes, like
Speaker 5: we still or a super Bowl contender or see you later.
Speaker 5: I don't care mathematically what happens, but it's kind of
Speaker 5: see you later for me because I don't I know, Greg,
Speaker 5: You're gonna argue they're gonna still be a viable walking
Speaker 5: if you get wiped here.
Speaker 3: I don't know who the Bills are at this point.
Speaker 3: I don't who they aren't. I think there somewhere in between.
Speaker 3: It's a good game between two game teams and like
Speaker 3: you said, the Cowboy if they get wiped though, if.
Speaker 5: Dallas comes in and drops a bomb, then like, but
Speaker 5: I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I'll see.
Speaker 2: It surprised me on two parts because the Cowboys, as
Speaker 2: riding high as they are, this really sets up well.
Speaker 3: Unless Dallas is one of those all time.
Speaker 2: Great teams, which I'm not ready to go that far,
Speaker 2: but they are performing like one of those teams to
Speaker 2: come down a little bit. The Bills obviously, once again,
Speaker 2: it's almost even though it doesn't eliminate them, it's gonna
Speaker 2: have the feel of a desperate kind of playoff game
Speaker 2: type vibe for them, and it's a it's interesting that
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a Bills team that, uh, they're two
Speaker 2: point underdog or two point favorites actually, despite the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Being as hot as they are.
Speaker 2: So you people feel the similar way that we feel
Speaker 2: that the Bills are dangerous in the spot. I'm thinking
Speaker 2: if they do find a way, the rest of the
Speaker 2: AFC is gonna go oh no, yes, I agree with
Speaker 2: that after all the hand ringing, and deservedly so, because
Speaker 2: Buffalo has stubbed its toe time and time again.
Speaker 3: As Eric Roberts knows, if.
Speaker 2: The Bills come out of this game with a win,
Speaker 2: they are the team in the AFC that suddenly scares
Speaker 2: me more than any other team in an uncertain conference
Speaker 2: near the top and quickly.
Speaker 5: I think it's like if you get the version of
Speaker 5: Josh Allen that we've been getting the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 5: and you get it again and they beat Dallas, like
Speaker 5: that's what makes me think, uh oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm Their offense is awesome. I think they're figuring
Speaker 4: it out. I think the offensive line is playing well.
Speaker 4: I think Josh Allen if I was doing QB Index,
Speaker 4: like Nick, I'd probably have it. This is tough, you know,
Speaker 4: Josh Allen be no lower than three for this entire season,
Speaker 4: and just on a game the game Bass, I might
Speaker 4: take them right now over anyone, I think because his
Speaker 4: highs are just are just higher, and I think he's
Speaker 4: had a better season. It's really exciting to have him
Speaker 4: against Dak, who's, you know, right now the MVP favor.
Speaker 4: But they're getting variety in their offense, James Cook being
Speaker 4: used more as a receiver. I think they realize what
Speaker 4: they have in Kincaid, like they have enough right now
Speaker 4: on offense. They're using Allen for the design run game.
Speaker 4: I think they'll put up points in this game. I
Speaker 4: think it'll be really exciting. But defense matters too, And
Speaker 4: I just look at their defense and I'm like, do
Speaker 4: they have a personnel to do it? Because it just
Speaker 4: feels like Sean McDermott's cooking up different things and it
Speaker 4: can work for a couple quarters at a time, but
Speaker 4: they're just not that good. And then Micah Hyde is
Speaker 4: hurt again. Damar Hamlin is probably coming in this week
Speaker 4: and they need the Damar Hamlin. It's interesting because Damar Hamlin.
Speaker 4: The only talk about him has obviously been about what
Speaker 4: happened last year, and okay, he's been in active this year.
Speaker 4: They need Damar Hamlin, the football player back from where
Speaker 4: he was before the injury in this game. I think
Speaker 4: because Taylor Rap's been you know, kind of a disaster
Speaker 4: as a free agent signing, Mikeah Hyde is out, I
Speaker 4: think Hamlin's going to be playing in this game. And
Speaker 4: they had a nice safety group before, and I think
Speaker 4: it would really help, you know, if he can be
Speaker 4: the player that he used to be, and we have
Speaker 4: to imagine they don't see him as that player this
Speaker 4: year or else he would have been on the field
Speaker 4: this year. This was a guy who was, you know,
Speaker 4: a fill in every week. He was starting last year
Speaker 4: and making a difference. Epanes is also hurt, so I
Speaker 4: worry about that matchup. I'm a little surprised you mentioned
Speaker 4: the Bills are favored in this game. The money line
Speaker 4: is minus one twenty five for the Bills. That's a
Speaker 4: little crazy. I've I've gone back and forth all week
Speaker 4: just thinking who am I going to pick for game
Speaker 4: to view, and I still land on the Cowboys because
Speaker 4: to me, they're just Still I've picked the Bills to
Speaker 4: win I think every single week this year. I and
Speaker 4: yet I still think it's such a mismatch. Their offensive
Speaker 4: line versus the Bills defensive line, Jake Ferguson getting it
Speaker 4: done versus whatever's happened in the middle of the field,
Speaker 4: Like they just have more answers offensively cooks, like it's
Speaker 4: all happening for Cowboys if they run the ball better,
Speaker 4: and so I just think they're they're better equipped to
Speaker 4: win thirty seven to thirty three.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, because does in this feel almost
Speaker 2: like a mortal lock that Josh Allen has at least
Speaker 2: four touchdowns in this?
Speaker 3: I think it'll be a great game. I'll I'll tell
Speaker 3: you about immortal lock. Oh is he gonna do it?
Speaker 5: I against all the logic that was just voiced, it
Speaker 5: is logical. Yes, Buffalo is going to change their season
Speaker 5: and they're going to take this game. I'm locking the Bills.
Speaker 5: I don't care about the spreads. I don't care about
Speaker 5: the money. Their favorite I don't. I just don't care
Speaker 5: what it is.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of I don't know that was my favorite
Speaker 4: thing does take a little of it, but I like it.
Speaker 2: What I mean, their favorites in the game. So it's
Speaker 2: not overly you know, out on a limb, but for
Speaker 2: a lot that's fine.
Speaker 5: I think the general like football watching population would be
Speaker 5: impressed if the Bills pulled this off.
Speaker 3: It's not just Hay There's going to absolutely blow out
Speaker 3: the Bills. Yeah, it's like they enter a different stratosphere. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I do think there's a.
Speaker 4: Place in between where it's a great game and the
Speaker 4: cow and the Bills fall just short and it's really painful. Again,
Speaker 4: but that they're seven and seven and they have three
Speaker 4: games left that they can win all three of those
Speaker 4: games and then they'd be in there.
Speaker 3: They're also seven and seven.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the one thing that this is starting to
Speaker 5: matter at this point, there's not a billion games left.
Speaker 5: They lose the tiebreaker to the Bengals, the Broncos, the Texans,
Speaker 5: the Colts, and the Steelers, so.
Speaker 4: They might not need to worry about it if they
Speaker 4: go win the division, which is very much on the table.
Speaker 4: Even if they lose this game, get to ten, you
Speaker 4: probably get to you right though.
Speaker 2: The one thing in the on their side here is
Speaker 2: that ten feels like it's going to be a magic number.
Speaker 3: We've seen it.
Speaker 2: We've seen eleven and five teams not make the playoffs,
Speaker 2: but it feels like the way it's shaping up right now,
Speaker 2: ten should get there. So you got to win three
Speaker 2: or four and if you win this one, the Dolphins
Speaker 2: are gonna start sweating. So they said, man, is this
Speaker 2: the vision safe? All right, let's take a break and
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Speaker 4: And no one told the NFL Network Saturday is Rosenthal
Speaker 4: Christmas because my family.
Speaker 3: I mean, what's a better greg than three games on
Speaker 3: a Saturday or Greg.
Speaker 4: The NFL was told that and specifically decided to lay
Speaker 4: out ruin Rosen thought Christmas not happening thrills that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're to get ready for next season. Here's what I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do that today.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna rewatch Colts, Patriots, the the Europe game at
Speaker 5: six thirty in the morning, and then watch all three
Speaker 5: of these and not leave my house training.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense the body and mind. I
Speaker 3: will do what they tell me. Greg, you're up.
Speaker 4: I'm an interesting spot here when I feel like I've
Speaker 4: never had on the show.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, it's done like fifteen hundred episodes.
Speaker 4: Because the game I want to watch the most, and
Speaker 4: this is rare. The two games I want to watch
Speaker 4: the most in the early both involve your teams. But
Speaker 4: the Browns, you know, it's been uncertain whether whether they
Speaker 4: are available, whether they are marks team. That is the
Speaker 4: game I want to watch the Moons, but you should
Speaker 4: and are they allowed? Are they available?
Speaker 3: You are allowed? Okay, that's my that's an early Christmas gift.
Speaker 3: Ro Christmas, I'm taking Browns. Can I just say yes?
Speaker 3: My concern in terms of coverage, are you going to
Speaker 3: be watching the Browns on on Sunday. Now are you
Speaker 3: going to be watching Bill's Cowboys on Sunday? Well, that's
Speaker 3: in the late window. I mean a little tricky. There's
Speaker 3: multiple windows, but I'll I won't be on a late window.
Speaker 5: Greg and I also both watch our games on like
Speaker 5: a on a lesser technology. I actually won't be in
Speaker 5: the office during the early window for the first time
Speaker 5: all season. So no matter what I do, it won't
Speaker 5: affect Greg on any level unless I start textingdn't It
Speaker 5: wouldn't affect me. Talk about for you in the program,
Speaker 5: your program, I mean, I will be doing what I
Speaker 5: you know, on these sunnage you got to try to
Speaker 5: do what you want no matter what.
Speaker 3: But he says to take it.
Speaker 4: I'm taking Bears at Browns because I really want to
Speaker 4: watch this game and it's a bad early window. Jets
Speaker 4: Dolphins is also very intriguing, but I don't want to
Speaker 4: take that from you from Browns are favored by three.
Speaker 4: The money line is one sixty six, and it's another
Speaker 4: game that's very tough to pick because there's a lot
Speaker 4: of reasons to like the Bears. Right now, we've talked
Speaker 4: about the Browns a lot, and I'm sure we will
Speaker 4: more in this preview, but the Bears really have put
Speaker 4: together a great stretch of defensive play.
Speaker 3: For a long time, I kept.
Speaker 4: Saying, Mattterberfluss, defensive coach, are you showing me anything on defense?
Speaker 4: All these draft picks you took in the second showing
Speaker 4: me anything on deefen blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: Since Week five, fifth and EPA, their defensive backs, I
Speaker 4: thought you saw in last week's game against Detroit, really
Speaker 4: are great in terms of their communication. Kyler Gordon's playing well,
Speaker 4: Jalen Johnson's playing well. They mix up coverage as well.
Speaker 4: Montes Sweat has added a little heat. Overall, it really
Speaker 4: looks like quite a good defense. And they're not great
Speaker 4: applying pressure, but Flacco's really faced no pressure in the
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: He's been protected well.
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of injuries up front for the
Speaker 4: Browns and they've done an incredible job surviving them.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't know it.
Speaker 4: Bill Callahan is again in the greatest off you know,
Speaker 4: offensive line coach in the league. Sefanski's done a nice
Speaker 4: job coaching and putting a nice group around him. But
Speaker 4: I'm really curious about that matchup. This Bears defense has
Speaker 4: been playing very well. Does Joe Flacco make a few
Speaker 4: more mistakes. Does the Cinderella story offensively for them come
Speaker 4: back to Earth? I think it does, and I think
Speaker 4: it's a low scoring game, and I'm interested to see
Speaker 4: what happens here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean EPA wise, the Browns passing attack, you know,
Speaker 5: pre Flacco was one of the worst in the league,
Speaker 5: and it's obviously there's an uptick. I'm at the point
Speaker 5: with the Browns where like to your like the Bill
Speaker 5: Callahan thing is masked over some insane injury situations, like
Speaker 5: they've lost Jederick Wills their left tackle. They lost en
Speaker 5: Jack Conklin, the right tackle, Dwan Jones, the very promising
Speaker 5: rookie tackle has now been put on IR post surgery.
Speaker 5: Garn Christian, their new left tackle, is ranked seventy fifth
Speaker 5: out of eighty four tackles per PFF. Their right tackle,
Speaker 5: James Hudson, is eighty four out of eighty four. So
Speaker 5: at some point, like you know, unless you can continue
Speaker 5: to mass this over, you've got a problem. They also
Speaker 5: on defense, like you know, not to do the injury thing.
Speaker 5: But like now we even covered this, Yeah, we've talked
Speaker 5: about a lot of other teams is being extremely banged up.
Speaker 5: Like the Brown's already lost. We get it, like maybe
Speaker 5: the most necessary running back in the league for the
Speaker 5: team that he's on. They've lost three quarterbacks. They've worked
Speaker 5: the way through that their entire backfield is actually banged
Speaker 5: up right now. Kareem Hunt is in and out of practice.
Speaker 5: Jerome Ford is an in and out of practice. Like
Speaker 5: they signed Grant Heelpit, a really promising starish safety to
Speaker 5: an extension last weekend, and then he just immediately goes
Speaker 5: on IR during the game.
Speaker 3: The game they made the transaction. Well, it's just I mean,
Speaker 3: you could tell he was done. He's out for the year.
Speaker 3: We hadn't mentioned that he's gone.
Speaker 4: He might make the Pro Bowl, and he has announce
Speaker 4: of his questionable return and then put him on IR.
Speaker 3: You you could tell right away he was see you later.
Speaker 5: Aggaranko has been a really like productive pass rusher behind
Speaker 5: Garrett and the rest of that crew and is used
Speaker 5: really creatively.
Speaker 3: He's gone. It's like, there's they lost three new defensive
Speaker 3: players and for the year last week. So I give it.
Speaker 5: I give them, like Stefanski and the Browns in general,
Speaker 5: like a lot of credit because just again, like in
Speaker 5: that locker room after that game last week, like there
Speaker 5: aren't that many Browns teams, Like I think they just
Speaker 5: stuck through together through so many stormy situations. But I
Speaker 5: think you could have looked at this schedule down two
Speaker 5: months ago and thought the Bears will be that game
Speaker 5: that we that we get back on track with it
Speaker 5: for if we if we had a tough week against
Speaker 5: you know, these previous up opponents.
Speaker 3: And it's like they're a totally different team right.
Speaker 5: Now that Derek Bazerker right, And so I think it's
Speaker 5: a I think it's a real weird situation for the Browns.
Speaker 2: I this gives me no pleasure to say it, but
Speaker 2: I think the Browns are ripe to be the team
Speaker 2: in clear playoff positioning that falls out, and I like.
Speaker 3: The Bears to win this game. It's a coin flip,
Speaker 3: but I would take the back I do.
Speaker 2: I also believe the Bears are in good position here.
Speaker 2: They're just playing really well on both sides of the
Speaker 2: ball right now. And that's a credit, just like your
Speaker 2: credits the fancy to Ebra flus is finally finding some
Speaker 2: type of semblance of an identity with this team and
Speaker 2: the thing about a Flacco, and it's been a good story.
Speaker 2: This is his third start, right, yes, but yeah, if
Speaker 2: the offensive line continues to crumble with injuries and the
Speaker 2: defense is not what it once was earlier in the season,
Speaker 2: I do feel like there's some smoke and mirrors going
Speaker 2: on with the Browns right now, and eight and five
Speaker 2: I think could easily be you know, eight and seven
Speaker 2: going into week eighteen, and I just got kind of
Speaker 2: a bad feeling about how their season.
Speaker 5: Is going to co mean maybe, but I would say,
Speaker 5: like you could get a Texans team minus c. J.
Speaker 3: Stroud. They played the Jets after that, then they play
Speaker 3: the Bengals, So it's.
Speaker 4: Not those games are winnable, including this one, because as
Speaker 4: for all the injuries that happened, and a lot of
Speaker 4: those happened during the game, so they were already without them.
Speaker 3: Last week they were outstanding. They were peak Brown.
Speaker 4: I know the final score doesn't make you look at it,
Speaker 4: but then once they watch a game, I realized, oh wow,
Speaker 4: they dominated the Jaguars offense and they could absolutely flummex
Speaker 4: fields who hits a couple on scripted plays and is
Speaker 4: running well. But like if you told me they win
Speaker 4: this game seventeen fourteen, that would not surprise me at
Speaker 4: all either.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on the Buccaneers, eh, Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 2: They are you know, they're frisky, they try their best.
Speaker 2: I think they're they're scraping the ceiling of their ability
Speaker 2: this season and now they have a big test if
Speaker 2: you want to, because I think Mark, you and I
Speaker 2: both believe the Bucks will be the team that comes
Speaker 2: out of the NFC South. Well, if you go to
Speaker 2: Lambeau and beat the Packers, I'm loving it. I'm loving
Speaker 2: your chances of doing that. Now, it's gonna be tough
Speaker 2: because it's Packers by three and a half here. And
Speaker 2: I think with Green Bay we talked about it. That
Speaker 2: Giants game disappointing, yes, because it really slowed down what
Speaker 2: looked like a freight train that was building up. But
Speaker 2: I also looked at that Giants game as they were
Speaker 2: in a weird spot on the road in prime time
Speaker 2: with Tommy cutlet Mania going off, and you know, you
Speaker 2: get off to a little bit of a slow start
Speaker 2: on the road, and then they were able to recorrect
Speaker 2: and then they just didn't take care of business at
Speaker 2: the end of the game and they get beat. I
Speaker 2: don't think that didn't feel like the type of loss
Speaker 2: to me, and I could be wrong, because they can
Speaker 2: now revert back to their early season for him, and
Speaker 2: that's happened a lot in this league this year, where
Speaker 2: you think you figure out a team and then something
Speaker 2: else happens. I think it's more likely that that was
Speaker 2: a bump in the road rather than this hot streak's over.
Speaker 3: So I feel really good about the Packers. Is he
Speaker 3: going to do it? In fact? Greg? Greg, Yes, I
Speaker 3: must thank you. You were there for me.
Speaker 2: In my great time of need, when I was a
Speaker 2: fragile baby bird who had fallen from the nest. You
Speaker 2: lifted me up, oh boy, healed my broken wing, provided
Speaker 2: me shelter at a time of great anguish.
Speaker 3: But now with my body healed and mind clear, I
Speaker 3: must go on my own.
Speaker 2: Just know, Chief Mighty Unk, I will not forget what
Speaker 2: you did for me on this long journey into the
Speaker 2: great unknown. I locked the cheeseheads of Wisconsin at home.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. It's a tough moment, you know.
Speaker 4: We we flew so high together in every mentor's life.
Speaker 4: The greatest wish you can have is to see that
Speaker 4: little hatchling grow up and and fly away. Chief Mighty Hunk,
Speaker 4: be a man picker.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: And yet it's it's painful. It's painful because you missed.
Speaker 4: You missed those those times, glorious two weeks.
Speaker 2: That three nothing win, watching that field goal split the uprights,
Speaker 2: watching great Joe.
Speaker 4: Get us over the top, that this bump we have
Speaker 4: as Mark looked on disgustedly, I'll always remember it.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the lock competition, let's check out the standings.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, there's a reason why I rode with Chief
Speaker 2: Mighty Honk, because he's thirteen and one this season.
Speaker 3: The West Brothers bad loss.
Speaker 2: Last week, Nick got a little too high into his
Speaker 2: character study and laughed at the Jets, so they had
Speaker 2: to humble him ten and four. And now me and
Speaker 2: the cesstag locked at the bottom at seven and seven.
Speaker 3: This is the peak.
Speaker 4: I need to take a picture of this because it's
Speaker 4: gonna get uglier. This is this is Chief Mighty.
Speaker 2: I'll throw one thing out there, Chief Mighty Honk, And
Speaker 2: this is not part of that monologuecause this would be
Speaker 2: great disrespect to the Mighty Chief that that Lions game
Speaker 2: was a little dicey against the Saints late, and then
Speaker 2: there was a three to nothing game with the team
Speaker 2: of eighten and I'm wondering if if maybe you're due
Speaker 2: for a stomach.
Speaker 4: Well, no kidding, it's mostly luck. Like a lot half
Speaker 4: these games come down to the end. Thirteen and one,
Speaker 4: we'll take. Well, if that's luck, Mark thirteen and one.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's luck at all. I think it
Speaker 4: just pure skill.
Speaker 3: I think it's quite a bit of luck. I do
Speaker 3: you guys agree with me about Love though?
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 3: And the Packers? Yes? Like did that? Did you come
Speaker 3: out of that loss? Greg? Like concerned about them coming
Speaker 3: back down to Earth.
Speaker 4: I'm always concerned about their defense. I never trust it.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be concerned in this game because
Speaker 4: they're playing the Bucks. They're only favored by three and
Speaker 4: a half. A little surprising actually that it's not low.
Speaker 4: The money lines won seventy five. I just think, like,
Speaker 4: how are you letting Tommy DeVito run on you with?
Speaker 4: With these Reid options and saquon they collapsed defensively. They
Speaker 4: were really disappointed. You can't expect Love to be elite
Speaker 4: every week. But they missed Christian Watson and Aaron Jones
Speaker 4: when they're not out there. I mean, Aaron Jones is
Speaker 4: back at practice. He's been at practice though, so that
Speaker 4: doesn't guarantee anything. Watson is out of practice still with
Speaker 4: that hamstring from a few weeks ago that he had,
Speaker 4: and Agy Dillon's out of practice. I assume he'll be
Speaker 4: fine because he finished that game. Don Tavian Wis is
Speaker 4: out of practice. There's not anything about this team that's
Speaker 4: special enough that I'm just like, chalk it up, you
Speaker 4: gotta wake up defense. Who knows the Bucks have been
Speaker 4: running the ball surprisingly well with Rashad White for about
Speaker 4: a month now, and like I'm always worried about any
Speaker 4: team that can run a little bit against it.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I think it's a very good lock. Actually,
Speaker 3: Packers defense, it has been a mess.
Speaker 5: But I did find interesting that this was the week
Speaker 5: that like, and I know it's because the way that
Speaker 5: game ended, but like every time I go on to
Speaker 5: X or anywhere, it's like everyone suddenly this week is
Speaker 5: ready to throw Joe Barry off the side of a
Speaker 5: building in Wisconsinant it was like it's just everyone everyone's
Speaker 5: talking about it, like this week and it's like they've
Speaker 5: kind of just been this defense outside of you know,
Speaker 5: they've gotten There were a couple of games where like this,
Speaker 5: the pass rush was spicy with Rashaun Gary, They've been this,
Speaker 5: but like on the love thing like this is a young,
Speaker 5: super young player surrounded by like a bunch of young
Speaker 5: wide receivers and you and a young tight end. It's like,
Speaker 5: I don't have a problem with a little bit of
Speaker 5: ebb and flow. It wasn't like what we saw in
Speaker 5: those really well coached games previously was just that to
Speaker 5: the end of time, you know.
Speaker 3: But so yes, I think they'll bounce back. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think this is a good luck the Giant.
Speaker 4: I I do too, But the Giants did a good
Speaker 4: job making him hold the ball a little longer, confusing
Speaker 4: him with all those blitz is NonStop the Bucks. Todd
Speaker 4: Bowles loves the blitz too, So when one plan works
Speaker 4: against you, you're gonna keep seeing it again.
Speaker 3: And that's a real test where even though they have
Speaker 3: a you.
Speaker 2: Don't let any I don't care who it is, any
Speaker 2: NFC sal team come into your buildings.
Speaker 5: One thing though, especially a banged up when the field
Speaker 5: and the Bucks have been awesome on the road.
Speaker 3: They've been a better team on the road than at home.
Speaker 3: Come on the Bucks here, So here's what the Bucks
Speaker 3: are like.
Speaker 5: At one point last week, like Mike Hevin, Mike Evans
Speaker 5: was held at eight yards, they were outgained by the
Speaker 5: Falcons by one hundred and forty four. And then Baker
Speaker 5: Mayfield leads him on a wacky game when you drive on.
Speaker 3: One of his worst games of the year. Too. They
Speaker 3: are they've been doing this like all year, and they're
Speaker 3: very banged up.
Speaker 4: Carlton Davis, Viavea, Chris Godwin, William goldst and Devin Waite, Ryania, all.
Speaker 3: Those guys are starters, all out of practice.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on snakes to me and yes,
Speaker 2: I will grab the Jets at Dolphins Dolphins game getting
Speaker 2: eight and a half here, it's in Miami and guess
Speaker 2: what else it is.
Speaker 3: It's the Nance Roma Wolfson game. That's interesting. Well was
Speaker 3: that set a long time ago?
Speaker 4: No, it's just that Cowboys Bills is on Fox. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the best early game. I kind of agree, so agree.
Speaker 3: This is really interesting from both sides.
Speaker 2: We'll start with Miami because just the devastating Monday Night
Speaker 2: losses devastating as a loss can be for a team
Speaker 2: that's doing as well as they are this season. They
Speaker 2: and what are they They're nine to four right now,
Speaker 2: But to blow that game in historic fashion at home
Speaker 2: to the Titans, I mean, it's not like you got
Speaker 2: picked off by a superpower late. It really leads to
Speaker 2: questions both about their defense, which had been improving as
Speaker 2: the season went along. I'm not overly concerned about the defense,
Speaker 2: but yes, plenty of questions about this offense, which again.
Speaker 3: Listen, it's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, put up fifty points in six hundred yards against
Speaker 2: the Washington Commanders, but then he cann't do anything against Tennessee.
Speaker 2: And now you get a Jets team that defensively, they've
Speaker 2: really as the season's gone on, gotten better and better,
Speaker 2: and they are I think while earlier in the season
Speaker 2: they weren't playing totally up to expectations. I think the Jets,
Speaker 2: especially against the pass, are gonna be very tough for
Speaker 2: Tua to handle. He wasn't very good on Black Friday
Speaker 2: against the Jets. They had that crazy fail Mary that
Speaker 2: kind of put that game away more than anything, and
Speaker 2: now they are going to be tested the Miami offense
Speaker 2: to once again say week, we're not just somebody that
Speaker 2: beats up on on the you know, the poor kids,
Speaker 2: Like we can go and beat up this Jets defense
Speaker 2: and embarrass them. And on the New York side, it's
Speaker 2: right there now, by the way, not the playoffs because
Speaker 2: they're still they're five and eight, But in terms of
Speaker 2: intrigue around this team, if they went to Miami and
Speaker 2: upset the Dolphins, which I haven't, I think they have
Speaker 2: a chance here Aaron Rodgers could come back Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: And I know that still doesn't matter too uh in
Speaker 2: terms of talking Lombardi teams.
Speaker 4: They updated that at all though, because I do wonder
Speaker 4: if it didn't happen at practice. He hasn't really been
Speaker 4: in practice, and like they just go over there. They
Speaker 4: had a setback when that said it.
Speaker 3: We haven't heard anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have been saying all along that he can
Speaker 2: be medical medically cleared to play on Christmas Eve if
Speaker 2: they are six and eight and mathematically alive. I think
Speaker 2: you see Rogers because knowing the way that team operates,
Speaker 2: in the way he operates.
Speaker 3: Next week, Yeah, we'll get past this first. But like
Speaker 3: I I like the spot. But that's what makes this
Speaker 3: game otherwise interesting. I think this is a great week
Speaker 3: for this game to happen.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think like the you're like, the offense
Speaker 5: is not going to be the same, and they weren't
Speaker 5: the same. Losing Connor Williams at center matters a lot.
Speaker 5: There were already some issues between Tua and the center.
Speaker 5: Quarterback has changed, you know, earlier in the year, but
Speaker 5: losing your center matters on an offensive line where he's
Speaker 5: calling them the protections and everything else they've they've he's
Speaker 5: never been the same to h when Toront Armstead's not
Speaker 5: in the lineup and those two guys are gone right now,
Speaker 5: it's like, we'll see what happens with Toron arms so
Speaker 5: there's a slight chance he could play. Apparently, Tyreek Hill
Speaker 5: is banged up Devon a Chain did not practice as
Speaker 5: a Wednesday, So it's like they're they're they're missing guys
Speaker 5: right now. And I think the two upper is like
Speaker 5: precise and productive as he's been, Like you start taking
Speaker 5: pieces away around him, I get concerned. But I will
Speaker 5: say in that Black Friday game, they ran for one
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty seven on the Jets, and Hill and
Speaker 5: Waddle combined for seventeen catches for two hundred and sixteen
Speaker 5: yards and two touchdowns. So it's like what they do
Speaker 5: well worked against the Jets on Black Friday when they
Speaker 5: won thirty four to thirteen.
Speaker 3: Guys, I'm just saying that game was accomplished.
Speaker 2: I think that was a three point game at halftime
Speaker 2: before the fail Mary. It wasn't like a it wasn't
Speaker 2: a total blood letting like they've done to other teams.
Speaker 3: I just don't. I don't think it's gonna happen here.
Speaker 3: I think it'd be surprised.
Speaker 4: I am shocked by an eight and a half point
Speaker 4: spread in this game. The money lines minus four twenty five.
Speaker 4: I'm with you if I'm a dolphinsan. I'm just hoping
Speaker 4: to get out of here with a win. Forget about
Speaker 4: winning by eight and a half. This is a great
Speaker 4: time for this game for the Jets because of the
Speaker 4: injury you mentioned Connor Williams, because of their offense showing
Speaker 4: some cracks.
Speaker 3: They need to run the ball.
Speaker 4: They ran the ball really well against the Titans. That
Speaker 4: was the thing that kind of got lost in that game.
Speaker 3: The whole game.
Speaker 4: He ran against one of the best run defenses in
Speaker 4: the league. On paper, and they got away from it
Speaker 4: a few times inside the ten and Tua made some
Speaker 4: big mistakes and they just don't operate the same without Tyreek.
Speaker 4: So him being Tyreek is as important as any player status.
Speaker 4: This week, I kind of expect him to play because
Speaker 4: he finished out the game and that usually is a
Speaker 4: great indication. But man, their lying without Connor Williams like it.
Speaker 4: It's kind of caving in. And yeah, we haven't even
Speaker 4: mentioned Dak. Wilson is easily coming off the best game
Speaker 4: of his career, and I know.
Speaker 2: He's on purpose by me because I've seen too much
Speaker 2: of Zach Wilson get it to get to buy in
Speaker 2: off that game.
Speaker 4: But it's better than him coming off another wretched game.
Speaker 4: I felt different, though, it felt different even than Bengals. Now,
Speaker 4: he absolutely could come back. I hear what you're saying,
Speaker 4: but I do you have heard quarterbacks say it before,
Speaker 4: Trent Dilver, all these others like man, after you get bench,
Speaker 4: sometimes you do come back and you feel like the
Speaker 4: weight of the world's off your shoulders because the worst
Speaker 4: thing's already happened. And Zach literally said that to one
Speaker 4: of his teammates bench three times before the game.
Speaker 3: I guess you're right. It didn't work the other times.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's been a lot of he's been so inconsistent
Speaker 2: in his career that any Jet fan that's looking at
Speaker 2: that and saying, Okay, now we're gonna get that version
Speaker 2: is overly optimized.
Speaker 3: I hear you.
Speaker 4: The reason I liked it was it was more about
Speaker 4: the decisions were quicker and he just looked more like
Speaker 4: a real quarterback versus just hitting some scheming up plays
Speaker 4: and hitting some trick shots, which he also did and
Speaker 4: he he can do. I think the matchup is tough.
Speaker 4: The Dolphins defense, despite last week, I think is still
Speaker 4: very good. But I'm impressed Brees saw. I noticed one
Speaker 4: thousand and sixty yards for the season yards from scrimmage.
Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson is actually on pace for more yards this
Speaker 4: year than last year, So I do feel good.
Speaker 3: And the Jets defense, after saying wow.
Speaker 4: We're a little closer to just good earlier in the year,
Speaker 4: is up to third in d v A defensively, which
Speaker 4: you could passes the eye test. They the things you
Speaker 4: thought you had that we're going to be around are
Speaker 4: now I still feel good about that.
Speaker 2: For the Jets, handsome Hank and Dolphins fans out there,
Speaker 2: because you know my feelings about the Dolphins. I'm going
Speaker 2: to let you know right now that if you beat
Speaker 2: up on the Jets on Sunday, you will hurt me.
Speaker 3: Because I do.
Speaker 2: You're backing this yet as much as I think it's
Speaker 2: a bad idea, Listen, you're only a live once. Uh
Speaker 2: Let's get Anna Rodgers on the field Christmas Eve, Let's
Speaker 2: just do it. Screw it, screw it. Just put them
Speaker 2: on the field. See what happens. Maybe maybe magic, but
Speaker 2: you got to win this game first. And Dolphins fans, I.
Speaker 4: Really think I am most tempted to bring out the
Speaker 4: rain maker for the Jets, but I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to do that with Sack Wells close to Christmas.
Speaker 4: I like the Dolphins. I guess if I'm forced to
Speaker 4: take it, I'd take the Dolphins to win.
Speaker 3: But man, I don't. I don't feel good about it.
Speaker 3: All right? Week two? All right, here we go, Here
Speaker 3: we go, Greg, you're up? Okay? I will take the
Speaker 3: Giants at Saints. Early.
Speaker 4: Saints are favored by five and a half. The money
Speaker 4: lines to fifty for the Saints. Again, another one where
Speaker 4: I'm like really, they're favored by that much against a
Speaker 4: team that's been playing better than them lately.
Speaker 3: Defensively, the Giants really have turned it around.
Speaker 4: Tommy DeVito gets all the attention, you understandably, but this
Speaker 4: was statistically the worst defense in the league through about
Speaker 4: seven or eight weeks, which is really surprising. With Dexter
Speaker 4: Lawrence and Kvon and they've been playing much better. They're
Speaker 4: tenth in EPA since Week eleven.
Speaker 3: He's the highest graded Dexter Lawrence defensive player in the
Speaker 3: league right now. Yeah, I mean it makes sense to me.
Speaker 4: The two All Pro defensive tackles are pretty clearly Donald
Speaker 4: and Dexter Lawrence that they are the two. Bit Donald's
Speaker 4: having a great run right now too, but Ojalari, all
Speaker 4: of them, Deontay Banks are picked. They're playing well, and
Speaker 4: a defense that's playing well and can throw some blitzes
Speaker 4: at this offensive line which is is getting confused. Like
Speaker 4: the reason the best theory I think was for Derek
Speaker 4: Carr and Eric McCoy getting into it. Their center was
Speaker 4: that And I heard it on the Saints Bock Party
Speaker 4: podcast and I think it's right after I watched it,
Speaker 4: was that. I think Derek Carr just called out the
Speaker 4: wrong middle line but he's been doing that all year
Speaker 4: where he audibles to the wrong play and I think
Speaker 4: he called out the wrong middle linebacker before the play.
Speaker 4: And I think McCoy, you know, got on him for
Speaker 4: that because sometimes that's the center's job. Something that he's like,
Speaker 4: you keep switching into plays not knowing what. No, but
Speaker 4: he pointed and saw it and it makes sense. And
Speaker 4: then that that exact player the mic that he thought
Speaker 4: was it goes right off the middle because basically he's
Speaker 4: changing the line protection. This has been an issue for
Speaker 4: a car I think changed correctly right and changes it incorrectly,
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 3: It's middle of where the center gets so mad.
Speaker 5: There could be a lot of reasons, because I think
Speaker 5: it's an extremely frustrated I think the players. I don't
Speaker 5: really remember an offense where the players are are so
Speaker 5: visibly frustrated when they should be so much better and
Speaker 5: they've had injuries and stuff like that. But I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just a bad vibe. I think, to do what
Speaker 5: Dan said last week, it's just it's a ViBe's off
Speaker 5: because the Giants have the best vibes in the league,
Speaker 5: right Because there I want I would have taken this
Speaker 5: game simply because of Tommy DeVito, because I thought, save
Speaker 5: the season for Brian Dable.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Tommy Cutlets. Yeah, on the road. We'll see
Speaker 3: what happens.
Speaker 2: And the Saints have been pretty topsy turvy is the
Speaker 2: defense this year? If Tommy Tommy Cutlets goes down and
Speaker 2: balls out at the Superdome, we got a sensation and
Speaker 2: we got the six and eight Giants with the pulse.
Speaker 3: I take them in a second over the Saints in
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Who are you taking this game? I having
Speaker 3: a hard time with this one. This is a hard one.
Speaker 4: I want to take the Saints, but I don't know
Speaker 4: I'm taking Giants twenty. I think I would take the Giants.
Speaker 2: Well, there's been so much like negativity, not just I
Speaker 2: guess within the Saints, but around the Saints. The discourse
Speaker 2: around them that you you would think they're you know,
Speaker 2: one and twelve right now, but they're not.
Speaker 3: They they they're in, they're tied for first.
Speaker 2: So the idea that the Saints and they just come
Speaker 2: off a twenty seven to six win, like the idea
Speaker 2: that the Saints can't beat the Giants at home, like the.
Speaker 5: Cold they're getting Rashid Shaheed back sounds like and Taysom Hill,
Speaker 5: and I think that's Taysom Hill is quietly we talked
Speaker 5: that I've been having a pretty monster important season for
Speaker 5: them when they've needed someone, and they.
Speaker 3: Really missed them last week.
Speaker 5: I mean one of the reasons that they're like annoyed
Speaker 5: and it's not just a car thing, but like they're
Speaker 5: passing game in general has been such a mess. He's
Speaker 5: had four games where he's finished the contest with one
Speaker 5: hundred less than one hundred and thirty yards passing.
Speaker 3: This isn't even the car from the past.
Speaker 4: I think it's a tough matchup though for the Saints Stevens,
Speaker 4: who is just bleeding yardage against the run and right
Speaker 4: now last week, I mean, Tommy DeVito's running like the
Speaker 4: Colin Kaepernick forty nine ers offense, just like a bunch
Speaker 4: of Reid option where he runs for ten yards every
Speaker 4: play in Saquon looks great, so a great.
Speaker 3: I think they're a pretty good running team.
Speaker 4: They've they've found something on offense and it's mostly the
Speaker 4: run game that matches up well.
Speaker 2: That such a good year and that yes, I mean
Speaker 2: that terrible fumble at the end kind of marred another
Speaker 2: you know, productive.
Speaker 5: Game for him were great, But what what makes Tommy
Speaker 5: DeVito more popular? Like among primarily with Saquon, but the
Speaker 5: rest of the guys that like everyone forgot about that
Speaker 5: fumble because of what happened. It's like he he like
Speaker 5: essentially rescued what would have been like a like a
Speaker 5: terrible like goat scenario for.
Speaker 2: Good point for I saw Kvon by the way, like
Speaker 2: right after the game ended, and everybody was like celebrating
Speaker 2: big time with DeVito going up to him.
Speaker 3: Kevan unless kind of brushed him off.
Speaker 2: It's like, really, man, Yeah, go check out the footage,
Speaker 2: Go check out the all twenty two on Kvon after
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 3: Maybe they had a one on one moment later on
Speaker 3: that wasn't.
Speaker 2: Maybe uh maybe Tommy d missed the mic pick up
Speaker 2: and uh Kvan was on the sideline and he was
Speaker 2: angry about it.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's mysterious.
Speaker 5: All right, let's keep move and I mean move, Mark,
Speaker 5: You're up all right picking it early, There's not a
Speaker 5: lot to pick from here. I'm going to go Chiefs
Speaker 5: at Patriots. An interesting inflection point.
Speaker 3: For the Chiefs going after the Pats this early like.
Speaker 5: Well, there's only yeah, I've limited selections unless you want
Speaker 5: me to take the one of the two other lates.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think I found out what the shook game
Speaker 4: is and my main strategy is to avoid the Panthers,
Speaker 4: and I can.
Speaker 3: You know what it is.
Speaker 2: Obviously, nobody could watch the Patriots, including Patriots fans right now.
Speaker 3: I can't watch the Chiefs anymore. They're so frustrating. They're
Speaker 3: very frustrating.
Speaker 5: They're very frustrating, and it's like, you know, they actually
Speaker 5: lead the league with fifty two offensive penalties, so I
Speaker 5: know everything came down to this conversation about like what
Speaker 5: happened at the end of that game against the Bills.
Speaker 5: But they've been hurting themselves all season and it's like,
Speaker 5: you're they're not gonna I don't know at this point.
Speaker 5: I'm not like looking at a team that's going to
Speaker 5: go figure it out. I especially don't like that I
Speaker 5: Saepa Chaco did not practice again on Thursday with a
Speaker 5: shoulder injury.
Speaker 3: Donovan Smith did not practice, Like there are some issues here.
Speaker 5: The best part about this is you're playing a Patriots
Speaker 5: offense that is the worst in the league.
Speaker 7: You are.
Speaker 5: A little bit but I like, I think that the
Speaker 5: Chiefs defense hasn't is still you can count on them,
Speaker 5: I do. I mean, I think the Patriots defense has
Speaker 5: been good, So it may not be like it may
Speaker 5: be a close game, but there are a lot of
Speaker 5: issues swirling in New England. We learned this week from
Speaker 5: our friend Tom Currn. It wasn't like a report, but
Speaker 5: he mentioned on a show that like Robert Kraft, the owner,
Speaker 5: is already decided to fire Bill Belichick after the season.
Speaker 5: And then it came to after that Cults Patriots game overseas.
Speaker 2: Which we which is funny because we had talked about
Speaker 2: a lot of the reporting and the vibes around the
Speaker 2: Patriots at the time. Or is like Craft really wanted
Speaker 2: that game so for them to lay an egg there,
Speaker 2: that's interesting. We actually have Belichick again, He's being asked
Speaker 2: all the time now like what's your future with the team,
Speaker 2: and he's taking on true to form a Belichickian type demeanor.
Speaker 3: In press conference AFC with this game that the States
Speaker 3: would playing Cancers City, does it seem like a higher
Speaker 3: stakes game than Kansasity?
Speaker 4: I mean, he was also asked directly, did you have
Speaker 4: an agreement with Robert Kraft that there will be a
Speaker 4: party of ways at the end of the season directly,
Speaker 4: and that he also said we're on to Kansas City
Speaker 4: for that. So they are they're not afraid to ask
Speaker 4: tough questions, uh to about Bill Belichick right now, it's
Speaker 4: it's a little it's a little depressing. And look, Kraft
Speaker 4: could always change his mind, but that makes sense that
Speaker 4: that was their thinking at that point, that that they
Speaker 4: had already kind of made their decision and that they're
Speaker 4: just gonna play out the string year and they're not
Speaker 4: going to fire him in the middle of the season.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Crazy, really crazy, And you know what else is crazy
Speaker 2: like and I know Patrick Hoolmes, these guys get asked
Speaker 2: questions and then they respond and then you have to
Speaker 2: be able to all, right, is this an actual feeling
Speaker 2: he has or he's just you know, the media is
Speaker 2: taking turning into a bigger story. You know, he's talking
Speaker 2: about Kadarius Tony about what he needs to do after
Speaker 2: his latest major foul up lining up off sides and everything,
Speaker 2: and the headline out there was, you know, a message
Speaker 2: to Kadarius Tony just be you. You know, basically the
Speaker 2: fact that the Kansas City Chiefs have a wide receiver
Speaker 2: that is this ineffective and mistake prone. They have no
Speaker 2: choice but to kind of keep him in the mix
Speaker 2: because they don't have anybody. And I know his role
Speaker 2: has lessened, but the desperation around the Chiefs, I think
Speaker 2: it's notable. They kind of need Tony and everyone else
Speaker 2: to contribute to somehow get this thing back on track.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: They were featuring him early in that game. He made
Speaker 4: a couple of plays, he had a big drop.
Speaker 3: He's talented. They just he won the Super Bowl basically
Speaker 3: last year. They just don't have It's not like they're
Speaker 3: magic answers.
Speaker 4: They have the players that they have, and some of
Speaker 4: them need to step up, like especially when Pacheck go's out.
Speaker 4: I think this matchup is a little tricky for them
Speaker 4: because the Patriots have an elite run defense. They're the
Speaker 4: best run defense in the league for about three months.
Speaker 4: They're not very good stopping the pass, which is so
Speaker 4: bizarre that that would match up well with the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: I tend to think that Mahomes will find a way
Speaker 4: to pick them apart. It's not a great secondary, and
Speaker 4: that they'll do enough. But the Patriots defense will generally
Speaker 4: make you throw the ball because they're gonna stop you running.
Speaker 3: And they generally give up big play.
Speaker 4: So maybe this is a chance for Patrick Mahomes to
Speaker 4: pass Bailey Zappi in touchdowns of over twenty yards this season,
Speaker 4: because right now they're tied.
Speaker 3: They each have one. I mean, they each have won.
Speaker 3: But the Mahomes is steep ball stats are ridiculous.
Speaker 4: They cannot throw the ball deep. The Chiefs are favored
Speaker 4: by seven appts interests. I saw that number was bigger
Speaker 4: earlier in the week, so people are actually going towards
Speaker 4: the the money lines minus three seventy five for the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't surprise me if the if the Patriots cover
Speaker 4: here at least, I don't think they'll win, but it
Speaker 4: wouldn't surprise me if it's it's a little dicey. If
Speaker 4: the Chiefs do not move Heaven and Earth this march
Speaker 4: in April and may to help Patrick Mahomes, that is
Speaker 4: malpractice by Beach and company.
Speaker 5: I mean, his his cap number becomes like they're they're
Speaker 5: becoming one of those teams with some top heavy.
Speaker 2: They should they should just where it's like a year
Speaker 2: and then just push it back into the twenty seventies.
Speaker 3: They will, they will renegotiate. It's kind of the NFL
Speaker 3: equivalent of it. All right, Mark hit another one.
Speaker 5: Uh, Houston and Tennessee. Uh, this would have been I
Speaker 5: get this. This matchup for Houston is is is not
Speaker 5: It's not the team they were.
Speaker 2: Like C J.
Speaker 5: Stroud is still in concussion protocol. I would be at
Speaker 5: this point very surprised if he. If he plays, they
Speaker 5: Nico Collins is hurt. Tank Dell is out for.
Speaker 3: The col This is a status out of practice.
Speaker 5: So possible, but like he's not gonna be one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: Dalton Schultz has banked up their tackle. Titus Howard has
Speaker 5: banged up Jarremie Tunzel did not practice. Will Anderson did
Speaker 5: not practice on Wednesday. So this is your team and
Speaker 5: you're playing a Tennessee squad that like in Tennessee that's
Speaker 5: they've been very good at home. Will Levis is totally watchable. Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, Derrick Henry is still Derrick Henry.
Speaker 5: And so I don't like the spot for Houston that's
Speaker 5: sitting there in that seven and six world trying to
Speaker 5: hang on and get by life without their star Young quarterback.
Speaker 5: I think one little note to this game. This feels
Speaker 5: absurd to me by the Titans. It's kind of it's delicious,
Speaker 5: it's delicious, but it's it's kind of like I'm surprised
Speaker 5: the NFL like greenlit this. Of course, the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 5: were the Houston Oilers and mood in the mid nineties. Yes,
Speaker 5: I think at were at the age where some younger
Speaker 5: people don't know that like that with some of these
Speaker 5: moves that happened in the nineties, they just don't know.
Speaker 5: But like they you know, the classic Houston Oilers uniforms.
Speaker 5: The Titans were greenlit to wear them a couple times
Speaker 5: this year, and they did earlier in the season. And
Speaker 5: they're now going to go into here they're going to
Speaker 5: host Houston, who are the Texans and started as their
Speaker 5: own franchise. I get that, but like wearing their Oilers' uniforms,
Speaker 5: it's a disgrace this. Houston, remember asked the University of
Speaker 5: Houston to not wear those essentially same so they do care.
Speaker 5: No matter what they say, they do care about those uniforms.
Speaker 5: Being warned by someone else and your opponent is wearing
Speaker 5: them against you on the road, I think who loses.
Speaker 2: Who loses the fans, The fans that have been around
Speaker 2: and been following Houston Professional Football from the you know,
Speaker 2: love you Blue days that fell in love with football
Speaker 2: with those teams. Now they have to be against the
Speaker 2: team wearing it. That's like, imagine that happened with the Browns.
Speaker 2: Mark how disgusted and furious you'd be. And I am
Speaker 2: totally with you. That is absolutely you don't do anything
Speaker 2: to antagonize fans that lost their team because of business
Speaker 2: decisions by ownership.
Speaker 3: That's disgraceful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's the same ownership. I know, Bud Adams
Speaker 4: is dead, but his daughter, Amy Adams Strunk, who's very
Speaker 4: well respected around the league and has certainly had a
Speaker 4: different tone than her her father, who I think people
Speaker 4: had more mixed feelings about.
Speaker 3: But she did this.
Speaker 4: You know, it's ultimately this is what do you mean? Yeah,
Speaker 4: but here's what I'm getting to. It's like, this is
Speaker 4: ultimately an ownership decision.
Speaker 3: So yeah, she knows how much it's disgraceful.
Speaker 5: Yeahs say one who cares like she's maybe respected, But
Speaker 5: like that's I'm just prefacing it to getting to that
Speaker 5: that like she knows how much Houston hates her father
Speaker 5: and she's sticking it to them.
Speaker 4: Ultimately, there is part of I mean, that's the truth, Greg.
Speaker 4: That is as petty as a guest.
Speaker 3: So the NFL just you think they said, hey, great
Speaker 3: idea vengeful.
Speaker 4: I think the bigger thing is they want to wear
Speaker 4: the uniform and all that and stuff, but they know
Speaker 4: what they're doing doing it against the Texans. So it's
Speaker 4: a little bit of sticking it to him, don't you think.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing, like, you're not sticking it to
Speaker 2: the players, of the coaching staff, of the tech and
Speaker 2: just sticking it to the fans, the fans who have
Speaker 2: been loyal to the brand of the NFL.
Speaker 3: It's been uh it it can't happen. It's quite a move.
Speaker 3: Can't happen? It is it is, It is quite a move.
Speaker 2: I hate this game for the Texans for everything you
Speaker 2: just said, Mark. I think the Texans are in a
Speaker 2: lot of trouble. They were without a pulse against the Jets,
Speaker 2: and I know they were in the rain, and they were,
Speaker 2: you know, dealing with injuries happening during the game, including
Speaker 2: to Stroud and Collins going out in the first drive.
Speaker 3: But I don't see them scoring points.
Speaker 5: I don't like Davis Mills, but he's got a lot
Speaker 5: of experience, that's all. It's you're not thrown in one
Speaker 5: of these backups.
Speaker 3: We've never heard as backup who's thrown to. Even C. J.
Speaker 3: Stroud couldn't move the ball with the cast of characters
Speaker 3: that they had last week.
Speaker 4: Well, he's going up against one of the worst pass
Speaker 4: defenses in the league, although they're coming off a game
Speaker 4: where they didn't well against under But yes, he's throwing
Speaker 4: to Noah Brown, Xavier hud no chance, John Metchi, maybe
Speaker 4: Robert Woods.
Speaker 3: It's tough.
Speaker 4: And the Texans linebackers, the word is out how much
Speaker 4: you can just pick on them?
Speaker 3: Uh in coverage.
Speaker 4: I did like how much they're using Taj Spears and
Speaker 4: Henry together.
Speaker 3: I mean Spears.
Speaker 4: They have like three players on offense, Spears, Henry and Hopkins,
Speaker 4: and they've they're leaning into it like Spears now leads
Speaker 4: all rookies in yards from scrimmage. He is a really
Speaker 4: good player there. They can be a good running too.
Speaker 4: I give the Texans a chance here, but the Titans
Speaker 4: are favored by three. That's not surprising to me. And
Speaker 4: the money lines minus. I do like the Titans like
Speaker 4: you guys.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and then we'll finish
Speaker 2: out the draft and welcome back. It is the week
Speaker 2: fifteen preview show in bulk. If you're just joining us,
Speaker 2: it'd be weird podcast. But we are wrapping up the draft,
Speaker 2: and up next is Greg Rosenthal. I need a late
Speaker 2: game here, Okay, And what did I say I'm taking?
Speaker 2: I guess I'll take Commanders Rams. Rams favored Commandos by
Speaker 2: six and a half. I kind of am regretting this
Speaker 2: choice just because of strategy purposes.
Speaker 3: It's too late. The money lines minus three or five.
Speaker 3: How about the Rams being like heavy favorites here in
Speaker 3: uh week fifteen. I mean Matt Stafford could throw for
Speaker 3: four hundred yards against the second Yeah, that is the thought.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It is like, I know they've played really well lately,
Speaker 4: but I still think they're a team that's overachieving defensively.
Speaker 4: Washington has the extra rest, they have talent, They're yeah,
Speaker 4: they're they're capable. I think of of making this a
Speaker 4: good game, I certainly would still best stop with Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 4: would it be?
Speaker 3: Although you know to be you know who's got the
Speaker 3: rest Extra. I mean just gonna We're gonna get it anyways,
Speaker 3: So yeah, might as well Brandon, yea, make some money.
Speaker 4: Put it in a little a little window like analytics
Speaker 4: on the little window rest this year, how they're doing
Speaker 4: versus the spread.
Speaker 3: And save it for the next episode of Rest Stop. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there you go.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll ask uh Sam schwartz Stein tonight on the
Speaker 4: Thursday night recap. By the way, he's uh, you know,
Speaker 4: the the guy who pops up in the corner if
Speaker 4: you're watching Prime Vision, which is on in my house.
Speaker 3: That's Sam and he's gonna be a person'll be at
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 4: The Rams defense, though, has been as good a coaching
Speaker 4: job to me as as the offense. And the offense
Speaker 4: has got because just because of the guys that they're
Speaker 4: doing with, they play with their hair on fire. Michael
Speaker 4: Hoyt playing well lately, but Kobe Turner and Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4: I noticed this this week really surprised me. Our top
Speaker 4: two in the league in terms of pass rush win
Speaker 4: rate from defensive tackles. Yeah, Aaron Donald, you would expect that.
Speaker 4: And Aaron Donald's on a heater, by the way. He
Speaker 4: is back to being like defensive player of the year
Speaker 4: type Aaron Donald the last five or six weeks.
Speaker 3: I mean, he was good all year, but he's back
Speaker 3: on fire.
Speaker 4: And Kobe Turner's a mid round rookie who hasn't got
Speaker 4: a lot of heat here, and so that they're getting
Speaker 4: good contribution with Ernest Jones at linebacker who had that
Speaker 4: big Super Bowl performance a couple of years ago, is
Speaker 4: playing really well of them, and they should have enough,
Speaker 4: you would think, to force a few commanders' mistakes and
Speaker 4: do well offense.
Speaker 5: Well, and it's you know, it's been a little bit
Speaker 5: better on the how we'll get sacked eight times a
Speaker 5: game front, but he's still's been taken down more than
Speaker 5: any quarterback in the league.
Speaker 3: Leads the league in pass attempts too.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're kind of just putting a lot on him,
Speaker 5: and so their offense has been like I mean, you
Speaker 5: can think about the way they life.
Speaker 4: The eight sacks, So he's eighteen away from David Carr,
Speaker 4: by the way for the ull time records.
Speaker 3: That's stretch.
Speaker 5: I don't he's got a chance that's a game because
Speaker 5: they haven't had some of the worst games have been
Speaker 5: were cases slow down yet, Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2: It's butter knifing it a little bit. But uh sneaky
Speaker 2: total collapse by the Commanders. They've won one game, uh
Speaker 2: in the past two months.
Speaker 5: Well, they trade away two of their defensive centerpieces, like
Speaker 5: they fired their defensive coordinator. Everyone knows the coaching staff's
Speaker 5: getting fired. Like there's a human element where these people
Speaker 5: have been in the building for a month listening to
Speaker 5: these coaches who are walking dead man at this point,
Speaker 5: like in.
Speaker 3: The defense before trading them.
Speaker 4: Whatever they were trying to do on defense, and this
Speaker 4: was a team that envisioned being defense first. It clearly
Speaker 4: wasn't working. It's not going to work. So this is
Speaker 4: a bad matchup. And it's why I told a friend
Speaker 4: who lost their both their quarterbacks for fantasy and Stafford
Speaker 4: was somehow available?
Speaker 3: Are you kid?
Speaker 4: I was like, I'd start Stafford in fantasy over almost
Speaker 4: any quarterback in the league this week.
Speaker 3: What's going on in that line?
Speaker 2: I have a single QB league out of my life.
Speaker 2: It's come on, it's bad. That's the Stafford does not
Speaker 2: get left on a bench or in the free agency.
Speaker 2: It's a little weird.
Speaker 5: Three straight games he's been whipping touchdown passes left and right.
Speaker 3: I mean, what was that guy in the league with
Speaker 3: like a bunch of toddlers. It's maybe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Dan has been running his his son's team and
Speaker 4: his no choice. You know, he's happy to be on
Speaker 4: a wind streak and sneak into the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Back little kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on my like, forget about the Browns. I'm
Speaker 2: on my fifth quarterback in that league. It's just been
Speaker 2: a heroic effort. Heroic you're the general manager essentially.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fallen to me.
Speaker 2: The kids weren't ready for fantasy football yet we brought
Speaker 2: him in to give him a shot.
Speaker 3: They check in, they asked, did we win? Yeah? Protect
Speaker 3: them from the bad news.
Speaker 2: You know, you just but when four hb's going, I are,
Speaker 2: they're not coming through the waiver wire.
Speaker 3: So Dad has to come in to save the league.
Speaker 3: I mean this back now, it is integrity. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: I don't like it when there's dead teams.
Speaker 2: All right, And did we talk about Kyan Williams Because
Speaker 2: we should because he's averaging one hundred and ten yards
Speaker 2: from scrimmage this season. That's the third most in the NFL.
Speaker 2: That's like, that's in the Christ McCaffrey Tyree kill zone.
Speaker 4: That's a fantasy league winner. Any Tyron Williams should be
Speaker 4: doing well.
Speaker 3: Did you know that?
Speaker 2: Back in twenty eighteen, Todd Gurley averaged one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty yards per scrimmage for an entire season. Todd Gurley
Speaker 2: was so effing good and then it just disappeared. But
Speaker 2: I'll remember Todd Gurley as like sneaky one of the
Speaker 2: best running backs of the last twenty years for what
Speaker 2: three years?
Speaker 5: One of those quarterback less running backs with like the
Speaker 5: brilliant window was just short because of injury, like you
Speaker 5: know Terrell Davis had.
Speaker 3: Then he got in the Hall.
Speaker 5: I think Terrell but an outlier, like like he should
Speaker 5: have been because of who he was, but an outlier type.
Speaker 4: He's a TV Hall of Famer, but he not like
Speaker 4: he will not go to the Hall of Fame anyway.
Speaker 4: He didn't have quite the stretch either, by anything. Terrell
Speaker 4: Davis did TV in terms of like great a five
Speaker 4: year stretch. Yeah, anything else got paid too, got that
Speaker 4: got that big contract.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Rams were like what we should have done that?
Speaker 2: All right, I'll close it out now, let's start with
Speaker 2: I actually liked this game, so I'm happy to get
Speaker 2: it here.
Speaker 3: The the Niners at Arizona, where my regret was I
Speaker 3: would have rather.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one was a game that I was circling
Speaker 2: maybe earlier, but it all kind of worked out. So
Speaker 2: I just think the Niners are the opposite of the
Speaker 2: Chiefs right now. They are a team I love to watch.
Speaker 2: They're just so fun, especially on offense obviously, and uh
Speaker 2: and and Deebo Samuel is on one of He's had
Speaker 2: heaters throughout his career, that is, you know, starting to
Speaker 2: flirt with the Hall of Fame career at this point
Speaker 2: two more years of this.
Speaker 3: I feel like all these Niners players are Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if he scored three touchdowns two weeks ago, he
Speaker 2: added two more and nearly a third last week. And
Speaker 2: when he is humming and doing his thing, they are
Speaker 2: absolutely impossible because you have McCaffrey and you have Ayuke
Speaker 2: doing his thing, and Kittle Pepper and Kittle with a
Speaker 2: big play every now and then, and it's just like
Speaker 2: Purty seeing it all and in complete command of the offense.
Speaker 3: It's very bad news obviously for the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2: I would say the only thing, if I'm speaking of
Speaker 2: Fantasy forty nine ers might be so far ahead of
Speaker 2: this game at halftime.
Speaker 3: That they pull the reins back. That's what I now. Wow.
Speaker 2: The reason why I like the game is because at
Speaker 2: least now Kyler's in the mix, and you have a
Speaker 2: chance here is are we heading to rest stop?
Speaker 3: Greg should we had to rest up? Said to rest up?
Speaker 3: The Cardinals do have an extra week off here coming out.
Speaker 3: Do you think that makes a difference here?
Speaker 4: They are at home, They're twelve and a half point
Speaker 4: underdogs at home. The forty nine Ers are minus eight
Speaker 4: to fifty to win the game.
Speaker 3: That feels fair.
Speaker 4: The first time these teams played, it was a weird game.
Speaker 4: I remember it was close going into the fourth quarter,
Speaker 4: but it never really felt close because it like the
Speaker 4: forty nine ers had a huge lead. It's a Kyler
Speaker 4: heat check. I don't rest yeah, but I don't think
Speaker 4: it'll be close. But it is a Kyler heat check
Speaker 4: because I really felt like he was coming into his
Speaker 4: own before the bye, really impressing in a way that
Speaker 4: was a little different than he had been under Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 4: And this is an ultimate heat check. If he can
Speaker 4: just play well in this game, you're like, okay again.
Speaker 4: Another reason that he will be around there next year,
Speaker 4: not traded.
Speaker 5: I mean, and yet the Niners defense is allowing fewer
Speaker 5: points than any team of the league, and it looks
Speaker 5: like it. It's like it's almost like they're so good
Speaker 5: all over the place that it's like we talk about perty,
Speaker 5: we talk about christ McCaffrey has more yards against NFC
Speaker 5: his own division, against NFC West teams than any player
Speaker 5: against their own division going back to nineteen fifty. So
Speaker 5: it's like it starts right there and then you just
Speaker 5: dole it out. Party is nine point nine passing yards
Speaker 5: per attempt, or the most in a single season all time.
Speaker 5: The next closest player right now is one point three
Speaker 5: eight yards per attempt, And it's like this is not
Speaker 5: even when it's like you take away the yards after
Speaker 5: the catch, Like he's not who people thought he was
Speaker 5: a month ago, and we're not gonna we already all
Speaker 5: understand that, and he's right where he should be in
Speaker 5: the MVP race. But he's been nearly perfect. And like,
Speaker 5: this is not a team that under Shanahan has like
Speaker 5: let down games. I feel like other teams you worry
Speaker 5: about a trap, Like I'm not worried about going to Arizona,
Speaker 5: where half that fan base sold their tickets to Niners fans.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Yeah, they're at a level I think right now offensively,
Speaker 2: and we saw it last week where they don't even
Speaker 2: have to bring their A game because their B game
Speaker 2: is enough to blow out teams.
Speaker 3: So that is gonna be.
Speaker 2: It's a show every week and uh, the only question
Speaker 2: is can they stay healthy down the stretch and can
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan exercise demons.
Speaker 3: It's a great subplot and in the MVP weeks he
Speaker 3: wouldn't choose.
Speaker 4: He was put in a tough spot having to choose
Speaker 4: between McCaffrey and of course you don't say it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course you don't say it.
Speaker 4: I think pretty pretty's different than he I think has
Speaker 4: been the first twenty twenty five games in his career
Speaker 4: because he he knows better when to take chances. I
Speaker 4: think here he got a very lucky I think with
Speaker 4: turnover luck for a while and then he got then
Speaker 4: it started hitting him, and I think he's been much
Speaker 4: more careful with the ball that that improv play he
Speaker 4: had to ayuke like, he's known exactly when to take
Speaker 4: a chance and he's hit it.
Speaker 3: But he has he's been much safer and that's really
Speaker 3: helped the final game.
Speaker 2: No surprise here the Atlanta Falcons uh are giving three
Speaker 2: points to the Carolina Panthers an over under of thirty
Speaker 2: for oh, who's on this one, Adam? I mean Mark
Speaker 2: Schlereth and Christina Pink on the sideline. I rather not
Speaker 2: really focus on the Panthers at all because it just
Speaker 2: makes me sad. And they are looking to restart the
Speaker 2: brain trust and hope to get Bryce Young on track
Speaker 2: for next year, and hopefully Bryce Young makes it through
Speaker 2: the season healthy and has a clear path in the offseason.
Speaker 2: The Falcons are coming off another disappointing loss. They just
Speaker 2: cannot sustain any momentum. I think it should be noted
Speaker 2: Mark that Desmond Ridder has been better since returning from
Speaker 2: the bench. It was the right move in retrospect to
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith's credit, and I've been as hard on Arthur
Speaker 2: Smith as anybody to go back to rinter because he
Speaker 2: does have the ability and to make plays. He also
Speaker 2: has the ability and the incredible consistency to make a
Speaker 2: bad play that either disallows the team from putting a
Speaker 2: team away or outright costs them game. So you kind
Speaker 2: of know in some ways he is consistent because you
Speaker 2: know what you're gonna get. You're gonna get some impact
Speaker 2: plays with his legs and with his arm, and he's
Speaker 2: gonna kill you with the mistake or two.
Speaker 3: By the end of the fourth quarters.
Speaker 5: I think one thing though, that is really promising about
Speaker 5: last week is and in general, like Drake London, who
Speaker 5: you know a lot of people arguing that he vanished
Speaker 5: for periods of time that all their star players are
Speaker 5: vanishing through the year. London's coming off the game where
Speaker 5: he had ten receptions for one hundred and seventy two
Speaker 5: yards to your point, Rader had to be back three
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty and so yes, it's kind of like
Speaker 5: you see it at times. I feel like they just
Speaker 5: come and go as an offense, but you are playing
Speaker 5: a Panther's run defense that is literally last in the
Speaker 5: league in EPA. It's like, I think you could just
Speaker 5: go do your thing. You can go do your thing
Speaker 5: and like this this these guys played in Week one
Speaker 5: and you know you don't you don't have any concern
Speaker 5: about Falcons on defense against this offense that is a
Speaker 5: non starter. Jesse Bates had two picks in this in
Speaker 5: the opener and I guess it's kind of like a
Speaker 5: litmus test of like, will you see Jesse Bates differently
Speaker 5: this time?
Speaker 3: If you're Brice Young, are you gonna see anything? Because
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 5: I just feel like it's getting worse and so I
Speaker 5: can't end fast enough for the pan. So if you're
Speaker 5: the Falcons and you don't take care of business here,
Speaker 5: it's like, I think we're all allowed to not believe
Speaker 5: in you one iota.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's the money line's one minus one sixty two,
Speaker 4: which feels like value. Because the team that loses to
Speaker 4: Carolina loses the division. Your season's over. I just I
Speaker 4: declare it. And if any of them to declare, any
Speaker 4: of those NFC South teams lose to Carolina, they're not
Speaker 4: They're just not going to win the division. I don't
Speaker 4: think the Falcons would do such such a thing, But
Speaker 4: it is Arthur Smith year three, the end of year three,
Speaker 4: and it's like we should be seeing what the vision
Speaker 4: is all come together, and I kind of see it.
Speaker 2: Speaking of a vision, I see a vision, a vision
Speaker 2: of beauty and grace in the studio comes la Keisha Wesley.
Speaker 3: It is perfect.
Speaker 4: You you want to be the person that comes on
Speaker 4: after the Panthers Falcons preview.
Speaker 3: Yes, everything seems amazing.
Speaker 8: What's I don't think Grace tripping?
Speaker 3: It's okay, what's up?
Speaker 6: Could It's always so funny to be back in the
Speaker 6: office and seeing everybody.
Speaker 8: It's like taking a grand tour.
Speaker 3: Yes, and got you. And Lakeisha is staying with the
Speaker 3: hands of his family this week. Nice. Uh, and that's
Speaker 3: always a treat. And what part of that? I've been
Speaker 3: to your house there she has privacy down by the
Speaker 3: pool area.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, that's beautiful, like a bachelorette pad.
Speaker 2: It is, it is, And uh, we're gonna have we
Speaker 2: have a nice gathering plan for tomorrow to celebrate both
Speaker 2: the holidays and Lakeisha.
Speaker 3: I love it, love wing. Keisha's here.
Speaker 8: I still can't believe I missed you all yesterday.
Speaker 6: Man, just running around crazy. I'm like, I'm looking here
Speaker 6: and it's like a ghost town. I'm like, wait a minute,
Speaker 6: where did everybody go?
Speaker 3: I miss Colleen?
Speaker 8: Like what's going on?
Speaker 4: I'm with you, Dan, Lake Yeah, birth of Jesus, Christmas family,
Speaker 4: that's all fine. Yeah, Keisha coming to town. It's proper
Speaker 4: ority of celebrations. This is a family right here.
Speaker 6: Lincoln's not happy though He's been on's I've been talking
Speaker 6: about coming out to California again, and then we had
Speaker 6: to break it down to him that had to come
Speaker 6: out here for work.
Speaker 2: Leisha showed my son to the picture of Link and
Speaker 2: Harrison's like, he's so much bigger now.
Speaker 5: He is really following on Instagram, Like, but he does
Speaker 5: he still have a Spider Man like obsession.
Speaker 8: I don't know when that's going to end, and I'm
Speaker 8: all for it.
Speaker 3: I love it. Good one.
Speaker 6: I'm bringing him out in February, though, I'm going to
Speaker 6: bring him out around for Chris's birthday so you guys
Speaker 6: can see, like how big he is. There's actually even
Speaker 6: this picture that I wanted to show you guys that
Speaker 6: we took and look how much he like looks like him.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. We'll put this up on the YouTube
Speaker 3: and on the fast channels. That is adorable, a little
Speaker 3: like Vans and stuff. I love it.
Speaker 2: Link is the miracle, uh after we lost Chris that
Speaker 2: you know, he Chris is in our life forever because
Speaker 2: Link is in our life forever. And of course Lakeisha
Speaker 2: and Keish, you are someone who takes Link to Cincinnati, Yes,
Speaker 2: often to keep link and yourself connected to the Westling family.
Speaker 3: Yes, we we do have a lock.
Speaker 2: That was a Saturday game lock so didn't fit into
Speaker 2: this show, but we need to get it in the show.
Speaker 3: We have Saturday previews on our Wednesday show if you
Speaker 3: missed it. Yes, so here is the zoo Keeper, also
Speaker 3: known as Nick Wessel.
Speaker 7: Hey, Heroes, I guess I got what was coming to
Speaker 7: me last week. I was arrogant and making fun of
Speaker 7: the Jets, and then they went and blew out the Texans.
Speaker 7: Didn't really see that one coming. I don't know that
Speaker 7: anyone really did. Sometimes that's the way it goes. The
Speaker 7: most disappointing part is now Number Greg has a three
Speaker 7: game lead with what hate to play. No way anyone's
Speaker 7: gonna come back and beat him. He's got it sewn up.
Speaker 7: And I think that's disappointing for the listeners because they
Speaker 7: all hate when he wins because he's boring and doesn't
Speaker 7: have any fun, and that's what the show should be
Speaker 7: all about.
Speaker 3: This is fun. This week, the Bangles.
Speaker 7: Over the moribund team of atn I went three to
Speaker 7: nothing on a last minute field goal. Last he dubs
Speaker 7: a dub against the Terrible team. What is going on
Speaker 7: with them?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: The Bengals. They look good the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 7: We'll see if the offense can keep it rolling. But
Speaker 7: the key's going to be hand this lou Ana Romo.
Speaker 7: Defense the music this week at the end of the
Speaker 7: year and carry them into the playoffs. They got a
Speaker 7: tough road, but they can win three out of four.
Speaker 7: Lock it up this week and you see what happens.
Speaker 5: Nowt happen to see him crack a smile about two
Speaker 5: minutes into that, because that was here.
Speaker 3: Can we remind the time limits next time?
Speaker 4: I was having so much fun listening to that fun lock.
Speaker 4: I fell asleep there for a minute.
Speaker 3: I think, you know what I think happened with the
Speaker 3: zoo keeper.
Speaker 2: That was a jarring lock reversal on him, and I
Speaker 2: think it took some of his swagger out.
Speaker 3: So he needs Cincinnati and the Bengals to lift him out.
Speaker 3: When I made the city, I actually had to like check.
Speaker 3: I was like one twenty one, did they double? I
Speaker 3: had to make sure that I did. He's in a place.
Speaker 3: He's obviously in a place.
Speaker 2: Nick who is you know, obviously charismatic man and always
Speaker 2: loved seeing Nick and Chris together.
Speaker 3: Because they would chop it up and argue and have
Speaker 3: a good time.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite moments from the wedding weekend in
Speaker 2: Tybee was being there at I think it was Wayne
Speaker 2: and Rosy's and they're tossing corn hole, they're tossing bags
Speaker 2: on the morning of the wedding, and both of them
Speaker 2: not a care in the world, kind of looking more
Speaker 2: or less exactly exactly like each other's, same body language,
Speaker 2: and just talking like merciless to each other during the
Speaker 2: entire game. And so having Nick part of the show
Speaker 2: another way to keep Chris.
Speaker 6: All the brothers are like that too. It's so crazy.
Speaker 6: It's like, I don't know how their parents don't that.
Speaker 4: With that, but none of them look and sound as
Speaker 4: much like And there are actual twins too, so it
Speaker 4: like there's.
Speaker 3: Just spilled water for the second time.
Speaker 6: They each have like a little like anytime like I
Speaker 6: look at them, there's like it's either I see Chris
Speaker 6: in the eyes or I see Chris and like the smile.
Speaker 6: Like anytime I'm around any of them, I look and
Speaker 6: there's like I always see something. It's just like, okay,
Speaker 6: I see.
Speaker 2: Chris in there, so although you know, Lakeisha like streamlined.
Speaker 2: Chris turned him into like essentially a.
Speaker 3: Ball male model, right. Him and Nick were similar.
Speaker 4: Imagine Nick, but my god, yeah, gone through a Wes.
Speaker 3: You know what you did with Wes the fashion makeover?
Speaker 3: Just the look he was bad. He was humming.
Speaker 8: It's just putting a little effort, that's all.
Speaker 3: I mean. It's hard.
Speaker 5: Greg's acknowledged that his significant other bought ninety eight percent
Speaker 5: of his wardrobe too, So it's not that I think.
Speaker 4: It's a pretty common thing that happens with very common
Speaker 4: with the significant others.
Speaker 8: Nice he took over on his own. Like I was shocked.
Speaker 8: I just he like flew like a like a butterfly
Speaker 8: into own my compashion world.
Speaker 3: I was like, go off, Kish anything else you want
Speaker 3: to add.
Speaker 6: I got to do something cool last weekend and I
Speaker 6: got to be a key speaker for the American Cancer
Speaker 6: Society in Saint Louis. There was an event called the
Speaker 6: Coaches Versus Cancer, and so I got to share my
Speaker 6: story and it just it was good, Like you know,
Speaker 6: especially some people that you know didn't.
Speaker 8: Listen to the podcast.
Speaker 6: I got to like, you know, reminisce on the past
Speaker 6: and stuff and It was pretty powerful just making sure
Speaker 6: people listen to their bodies and you know, go to
Speaker 6: the doctor and get things checked out, because it's a
Speaker 6: huge difference if you catch cancer Early's great.
Speaker 2: That's great important advice. And also because you've been working
Speaker 2: on it in my home. Uh, well, he's your works
Speaker 2: for the NFL.
Speaker 3: What are you working on? Where do people see the
Speaker 3: stuff that you're working on?
Speaker 6: Yes, I produced the series NFL Generations, So basically it's
Speaker 6: like NFL Legend with the current player. They'll sit down
Speaker 6: and like go over each other like highlights and talk
Speaker 6: about how they like different back in the day versus now.
Speaker 6: And that has been so much f on this season.
Speaker 6: I just finished a piece with John Randall and Miles Garrett.
Speaker 6: It's on NFL Plus and it's just been a lot
Speaker 6: of fun.
Speaker 3: It's like a good pluck and uh, we look forward
Speaker 3: to the Bernie Cozar Josh Allen episode.
Speaker 2: And you had the great point keish that, Uh because
Speaker 2: I heard John Randall in in the You're sitting at
Speaker 2: the dining room table working and you made the point
Speaker 2: that like this job like connects to Wes too, because
Speaker 2: he's such an NFL historian and and he would have
Speaker 2: gotten a kick out of you working on projects like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought about that one time. It's like learning
Speaker 6: all this like history, and it's just like man. Somehow
Speaker 6: it feels like Wes is like kind of like talking
Speaker 6: through me through work and stuff.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 8: John Randall is basically my uncle now just f y.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to become friends with these guys. Did
Speaker 3: He can be like a ride from the airport level.
Speaker 2: All right, Keish, can't wait for this weekend and and
Speaker 2: great times and always better when you're around.
Speaker 8: I love you guys.
Speaker 3: You all right?
Speaker 2: And that is it for Around the NFL the Week
Speaker 2: fifteen preview, TNF recap tonight. Check that out NFL plus Vocal,
Speaker 2: Keisch's project and our show also there, and then we'll
Speaker 2: see a flagship show Sunday night.
Speaker 3: Eat the Call.