WEBVTT - Classic Music Saved Me with Dee Snider

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<v Speaker 1>Music saved me.

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<v Speaker 2>The intensity of that music empowered me and gave me

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<v Speaker 2>the strength save me. Otherwise I would have just I

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<v Speaker 2>remember I took a school aptitude test and it said farmer, farmer?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did they think that I would farmer? And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to know I think it may have been. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that may have been the starting gun of like

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<v Speaker 2>I will not be a farmer.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast, where we focus

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<v Speaker 3>on the healing powers of music. I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman,

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<v Speaker 3>and on this episode we get to talk with a

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<v Speaker 3>true rock icon from a legendary band who is also

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<v Speaker 3>an actor, a television host, a novelist, graphic novelist, syndicated

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<v Speaker 3>radio talk show host, composer, recent game show host, contestant.

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<v Speaker 1>The list goes on actor.

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<v Speaker 3>I put that in there, but secretly, even though he

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<v Speaker 3>probably doesn't want me to mention it. He's also one

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<v Speaker 3>of the kindest and most giving guys I know, with

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<v Speaker 3>an equally incredible family. D Snyder is best known as

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<v Speaker 3>the badass front man of the incredible eighties rock band

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<v Speaker 3>Twisted Sister, and he also happens to be a dear

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<v Speaker 3>old friend Dee Snider.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to music saved me.

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<v Speaker 2>Wen. Great to be here, and thank you for all

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<v Speaker 2>those kind accolades. It's much appreciated. And yeah, I love

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about this because you know, music saved me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know my music has saved others, which blows

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<v Speaker 2>my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, well, just because we go way back and I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of think of you as a brother from another mother,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm going to start with the hardest question

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<v Speaker 3>up front, which is what you were just talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember when music first saved you.

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<v Speaker 2>I fell in love with rock and roll after seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show. Ash. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see them. I heard about them being there because my

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<v Speaker 2>dad had banned television in our house. But that such

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<v Speaker 2>was the effect of the beatles appearance, just people talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it made me want to be a Beetle, which

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<v Speaker 2>turned out you couldn't be that, so I had to

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<v Speaker 2>be a rock star. But as I started there was

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<v Speaker 2>an elementary school at that point. But as I started

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<v Speaker 2>growing and became this background layer character some you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't fit in anywhere. I just wasn't. I knew

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<v Speaker 2>I had more to offer, yet I just was one

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<v Speaker 2>of those nobody's in school and at about sixteen, I

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<v Speaker 2>just decided that I would not go silently into the

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<v Speaker 2>night and people would hear from me. They would notice me,

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<v Speaker 2>and they would and I had something to say. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was first the using music to power me, and

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<v Speaker 2>that I was drawn to harder music. It wasn't called

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<v Speaker 2>heavy metal back then. It was hard rock. The bands

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<v Speaker 2>like Cream and Hendricks and Mountain and all these bands,

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<v Speaker 2>and it started a grand funk wear road and it

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<v Speaker 2>led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. These are all hard rock bands.

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<v Speaker 2>But that intensity of that music empowered me and gave

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<v Speaker 2>me the strength, saved me. Otherwise I would have just

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I took a school aptitude test and it

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<v Speaker 2>said farmer, farmer? Why did they think that I would farmer?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to know I think it may have been.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that may have been the starting gun of like,

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<v Speaker 2>I will not be a farmer. I'm somebody. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to be somebody. And it was the music that lifted

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<v Speaker 2>me up and drove me forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I recalled back after reading your memoir not too

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<v Speaker 3>long ago, you had mentioned something about you you always

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<v Speaker 3>had to shut up and shut up and be good

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<v Speaker 3>and and sit down and do the right thing and

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<v Speaker 3>say the right thing. Was there a moment in your

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<v Speaker 3>childhood when you just decided you weren't going to shut

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<v Speaker 3>up anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, that's a It's interesting you brought that up,

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<v Speaker 2>because in the new graphic novel, he's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>take it. They want to do it's about my senate appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>But they wanted to understand how me and that moment

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<v Speaker 2>in time converged and how I was there to be

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<v Speaker 2>that voice to fight censorship in nineteen eighty five. And

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<v Speaker 2>as we look back and as we talked, they found

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<v Speaker 2>out exactly bad. I was a kid that was told

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<v Speaker 2>be quiet, know your place, shush, and you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of pushed in the background. And at about

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen years old, I got tired of shushing. I got

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<v Speaker 2>tired of not being heard, and I started acting out

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<v Speaker 2>in school and not violently or anything, but you know, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I started wearing a derby that got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of attention. But I was in a band and

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<v Speaker 2>we became a popular local band, not Twisted, when I

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<v Speaker 2>was in high school, and all those things gave me.

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<v Speaker 2>The microphone gave me a place for people to hear me,

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<v Speaker 2>and it really was first my voice that they heard,

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<v Speaker 2>and then in between songs I started yeappen and soon

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<v Speaker 2>I became a thing for d snider to the in

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<v Speaker 2>between parts. As my wife used to say, I like

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<v Speaker 2>the in between the songs better than I like the songs,

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<v Speaker 2>because when you're talking it's entertaining and it's funny. But

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<v Speaker 2>I really was, you know. I got tired at round

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen again of just being a background player and said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm going to be heard and I will never

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<v Speaker 2>shut up again, and I haven't. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>You said that the music inspired you. Do you believe

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<v Speaker 3>that music has you know, supernatural healing powers, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>something you can't quite put your finger on, but that

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<v Speaker 3>that drove you, or that drives people in general.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that one I you know when I say

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<v Speaker 2>what interestingly so here? I am, you know listening to

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<v Speaker 2>bands I mentioned, I listened to all the bands, and

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<v Speaker 2>but they're not it's the power of the music that

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<v Speaker 2>is inspiring me. Then I start finding bands like Alice

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<v Speaker 2>who have messages that are inspiring me. The song I'm

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen was out when I was eighteen, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting chills right now because it was a line

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<v Speaker 2>in there I'm a boy and I'm a man, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was like it was like you're in the cusp

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<v Speaker 2>of being an adult, but you're still treated like a child.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was one of the first times that the

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<v Speaker 2>lyrics and Alice was all about anthem. Schools Out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all these great anthems. I graduated when Schools Out came out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm getting chills, you know, like, have that

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<v Speaker 2>song come out when I'm getting out of high school.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the words now were connecting with me and

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<v Speaker 2>made me as I wasn't a songwriter yet, but when

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<v Speaker 2>I became a songwriter, I said, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>sit there singing about you know, heavy metal fantasies or

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<v Speaker 2>sex and drugs and rock and roll. Well rock and roll, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but sex and drugs. I want to say more. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to inspire people, but at the same time, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>inspiring myself. Our first hit in England a song called

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<v Speaker 2>I Am I'm Me, and it was literally my personal

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<v Speaker 2>declaration of independence. Who are you to look down at

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<v Speaker 2>what I believe? I'm onto? I'm onto your thinking and

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<v Speaker 2>how you deceive. No, you can't abuse me. I won't

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<v Speaker 2>stand no more. Yes, I know the reason yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>know the score. I am I'm me, and people said,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you pop eye? I am what? I am? No,

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<v Speaker 2>But it was just like what aus I am a me?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a statement. It doesn't matter what I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a person, and I have the right to have

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<v Speaker 2>my feelings and my beliefs and my opinions. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I started using the words to further energize and empower me,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the same time hoping that people out there

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<v Speaker 2>were hearing. People like myself who were background players, were

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<v Speaker 2>listening and going, he's talking to me. I hear this, Yes, this, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's right, He's right, And I wanted them to be

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<v Speaker 2>lifted up as well. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting because you once told me that, and you've

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<v Speaker 3>told us up front on the show that me Uasac

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<v Speaker 3>has literally your music specifically has changed people's lives and

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<v Speaker 3>saved them. Can you maybe share one or two of

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<v Speaker 3>those stories that you witnessed.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the only one I need to tell, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's tons of little stories of people who tell me

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, you know that that my music, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just empowered them and drove them, and always they turned

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<v Speaker 2>to it and lifts them up with my words, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>stay hungry, and we're not going to take it. And

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<v Speaker 2>all these statements that I was making was all we're

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<v Speaker 2>all words of empowerment. I get an email and I

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<v Speaker 2>was to my email address. I don't know how I'm

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<v Speaker 2>an email address, and when I see I don't recognize it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just deleted. But it's said you save seven lives.

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<v Speaker 2>And my gosh, they saved seven lives. What is that about?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, going to press read and I got one

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<v Speaker 2>eye closed, so, like I said, I didn't actually totally

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<v Speaker 2>read it. And it was a guy who using my

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<v Speaker 2>music for inspiration. He was a kayaker and kayak deaths

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<v Speaker 2>happened when the kayak flips over and they get stuck

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<v Speaker 2>in rocks and they drown. Playing my Stay Hungry album

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<v Speaker 2>over and over, he created an air bladder Life Best

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<v Speaker 2>that gives you air for forty five minutes and it

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<v Speaker 2>just I'm getting chills again. Oh my just come out.

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<v Speaker 2>This is years ago, This is years ago, but he

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<v Speaker 2>said you saved seven lives. This year. It just came

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<v Speaker 2>out and people are already And if your album, if

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't heard your words stay hungry, and we're just

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<v Speaker 2>driving me forward. I wouldn't have stuck with it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I did. And now my invention's reality and it is

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<v Speaker 2>saving lives. So you have seen your music has saved lives.

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<v Speaker 2>How's that?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty amazing story.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible. You never know who you're touching, who you're reaching.

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<v Speaker 2>The other day, now, the social media I saw I

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<v Speaker 2>saw in Indonesia at a soccer game, hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of people singing we're not going to take it in

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<v Speaker 2>some foreign language but waving there, but I'm going, holy crap.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you don't realize you just can't popular with

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<v Speaker 2>that's art though, whether it's a drawing, whether it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of your shows. You know, I know that you've you've

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<v Speaker 2>done really well in the ratings. You know, you're hoping

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<v Speaker 2>that your message that you're trying to communicate here will

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<v Speaker 2>reach people and help people and lift them up. So

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully you're saving lives to live.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh thanks, Well, you know, ever since I've known you,

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<v Speaker 3>you've you've pretty much been giving back. I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>that's what attracted us to each other to begin with,

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<v Speaker 3>not just that we worked on VH one, but but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we both wanted to use our platform to

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<v Speaker 3>do good things. And to help people because otherwise it's

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<v Speaker 3>really not worth it. But music specifically is really just

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<v Speaker 3>so special because it's, like you said, it's art, So

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<v Speaker 3>it's beyond just us talking heads or saying things. It's

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<v Speaker 3>it's the things that really reach down deep and grab people.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I really want to know, I've been with

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<v Speaker 3>you personally on appearances and seeing how you deal with

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<v Speaker 3>people of all kinds, all walks of life, and you're

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<v Speaker 3>very disarming and you make them feel so comfortable. What

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know, and what I think everyone listening

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<v Speaker 3>might want to know, is how does it make you

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<v Speaker 3>feel when you meet or witness someone who has been

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<v Speaker 3>helped deeply by your music.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't play anymore. Occasional I'll go do a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of songs with you know, like the other night

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<v Speaker 2>I played with Ret Michael's for a couple of songs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more fun than anything. But touring recording albums, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not what I do. But I do a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>signing appearances a lot, and people line up and I

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<v Speaker 2>try to get each person on that line. They wait

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes for hours. They're a moment, you know. I was

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<v Speaker 2>trained really well by members of Kiss. I won't name names,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did my first signing with members of Kiss

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<v Speaker 2>and they were so rude to the fans. We were

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<v Speaker 2>sitting at a table together. I just said, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be that guy. These people waiting and how

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<v Speaker 2>could you not look them in the eye, How do

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<v Speaker 2>you not shake their hand? How can you not take

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<v Speaker 2>a moment to acknowledge how much their passion for you do.

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<v Speaker 2>But on those lines, everybody's got a story, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always glad to hear it. And you're tired of hearing this, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never tired of hearing it, never ever, ever. And

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<v Speaker 2>I get people coming up to me in tears, shaking

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<v Speaker 2>because I meant so much to them, the music meant

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<v Speaker 2>so much to them. And a lot of times they

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<v Speaker 2>share with me a story, a memory, something. With the

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<v Speaker 2>younger ones, often it's with their parents now who passed on,

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<v Speaker 2>and they talk about how they shared my music or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's a lasting memory. So I find that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always welcoming to everybody who comes up, which it

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<v Speaker 2>throws people off a little bit, and I expect, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that they want to bite their head off.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, yeah, I'm just I'm honored

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm touched. Yes, I was trying to reach them,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes I wanted them to hear my words. But so

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<v Speaker 2>many people don't hear what I'm saying. They hear the catchphrase,

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<v Speaker 2>and I won't go political, but there are people on

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<v Speaker 2>many people who use where are going to take it

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<v Speaker 2>as their battle cry? And not just me. You hear

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<v Speaker 2>so many musicians like rage as machine killing in the name,

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<v Speaker 2>people like, yeah, you, we won't do what you tell us,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and they're completely missing the point of the song.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when there are people who come up to

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<v Speaker 2>me and talk to me and share with me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I go, you got it, I often hug them and go.

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<v Speaker 2>I was shouting in the screaming in the night, hoping

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<v Speaker 2>people like you would hear me. And you did, And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad I know. And now I'm getting choked up.

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<v Speaker 2>You wanted that, Oh you, Barbara Walters.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say, give me my Ba Walter's moment.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why I wear the stung glasses. I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>too emotional in my old age. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>You were once quoted as saying, there's so much about

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<v Speaker 3>your life that you didn't see coming referring to all

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<v Speaker 3>the incredible things that you've been able to accomplish in

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<v Speaker 3>your career, you know, both career and personally. But looking

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<v Speaker 3>back on your life now, how much would you say

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<v Speaker 3>music played a role? I know that seems kind of obvious,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I was my mindset a third a third,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was, but it was really It's not really true,

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<v Speaker 2>it was maybe a third. Like so much more of

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<v Speaker 2>my life came after music. And I'm not talking about you.

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<v Speaker 2>I played until it was my sixties, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it was you know, reunion shows and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was that, you know, up until forty where I

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, actively, really really creative musically, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so I got so that was a part of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I went into acting in voiceover and radio

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<v Speaker 2>and TV and reality too much reality TV and writing books, screenplays.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be directing next. So I said all

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<v Speaker 2>those things. But it really is all about the music,

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<v Speaker 2>because the music is the foundation, the platform that set

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<v Speaker 2>me up, that lifted me up, It liberated me, it

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<v Speaker 2>freed me, It gave me the platform to do these

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<v Speaker 2>other things. Now, minds you. As we all know from

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<v Speaker 2>the great David Lee raw taking over for Howard Stearn story,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't just start doing radio out of nowhere. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a craft. And I've been doing radio over thirty years

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<v Speaker 2>and I've gotten as you know, we've worked together, I've

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<v Speaker 2>gotten good at it. But it has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with me being a rock star. It has to do

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<v Speaker 2>with putting the hours, getting on the mic, listening to

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<v Speaker 2>the life. But I tell people, he said, you know, what,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you tell me about? You know, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be in radio. So you got to love the

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<v Speaker 2>sound of your own voice. And they said, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean by that? I said, you need to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to air checks endlessly. You got to record yourself and

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<v Speaker 2>listen back and and it's painful, especially in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>so you learn how to get better. But anyway, all

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<v Speaker 2>but it all comes down to it all started with music.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still will wherever be a part of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a great T shirt this is Death by

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<v Speaker 2>Rock and Roll on it and which is a good

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<v Speaker 2>way to go. And you know, but yeah, without it

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<v Speaker 2>I would have and being nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it can be very personal too.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean when you when you put out new albums

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<v Speaker 3>and music to be judged by the world. When was

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<v Speaker 3>the moment that you realized, Okay, we're really onto something

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<v Speaker 3>musically in terms of creating you know that positive emotional

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<v Speaker 3>feedback with your songs and from your audiences. Why do

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<v Speaker 3>you think your music still resonates to this day. Is

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<v Speaker 3>it because it's anthemic or is it because of the words?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the melody?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's something magical in there that keeps something

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<v Speaker 3>alive for that many years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I'll start by saying, one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped writing is because after you've written and had

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<v Speaker 2>it received, played on the radio, listen to, lauded and enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, it's very hard. It's hard for me

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<v Speaker 2>just go back to writing for my own head and writing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wrote and wrote and wrote, and virtually none

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<v Speaker 2>of that music landed with anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that there and.

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<v Speaker 2>What to write and write and write? Or no it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>That was painful because once you know, in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>once you've had your children and your songs like your children,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've been out there and people are just enjoying them,

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<v Speaker 2>very hard to go back to writing in a in

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<v Speaker 2>a in a void and just playing it for yourself

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<v Speaker 2>and not really having anybody hear it. And when you say,

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<v Speaker 2>these songs are just as as good as the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>better I write, I knew at one point that was

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<v Speaker 2>death Broughto. I wrote some of the best music of

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<v Speaker 2>my life. The stuff virtually never came out until like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years later. It was just sort of a it

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<v Speaker 2>got shelved by lecture. It's another story. But I got

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<v Speaker 2>tired of writing stuff that wasn't getting heard after because

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<v Speaker 2>I experienced how amazing it feels and to see I

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<v Speaker 2>call it smiles at the speed of sound we played.

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<v Speaker 2>We would play these festivals. I play these festivals thirty

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<v Speaker 2>fifty ninety one hundred thousand people and when you go

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<v Speaker 2>into the songs, when you go into we're not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take it and prove, but I see it from the stage,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a smiles that start the front row,

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<v Speaker 2>the first people receiving the audio audio information, and it

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<v Speaker 2>goes all the way to the back. I could see it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the hands and the body language, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is such an incredible feeling to know you're connecting with

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<v Speaker 2>people on that level. Those moments but it's it's a drug.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very hard because you know later in your career

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<v Speaker 2>and every single rock star talks about this. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I call new Materialists the bathroom song because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>care what urinary problems you have. The minute the lead

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<v Speaker 2>singer of any band says her ring's off the new album,

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<v Speaker 2>you can see people running for the bathroom. Okay, I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's said, I tell the audience, I say,

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<v Speaker 2>I see you, I see you that I saw I

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<v Speaker 2>saw Zeppelin. More Physical Graffiti came out and that is

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<v Speaker 2>his greag Garden and they said this one's off the

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<v Speaker 2>new albums called physical Graffiti. They started playing physical Graffiti,

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<v Speaker 2>not physically, they played Kashmir. This is Kashmir. Half the

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<v Speaker 2>arena went to the bathroom or to get a beer

0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.399
<v Speaker 2>because nobody knew the song. Nobody, and it sounded like

0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.320
<v Speaker 2>crapping that Square Garden too. But I'm going, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So so you know, it's hurtful as a career an

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<v Speaker 2>artist to see your music not being respected. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I I walked away from it. That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>walked away for it. As far as your question about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when it all comes together. Well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>Twisted it was together. I was with them for eight years.

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<v Speaker 2>They were together two years before I got there. I

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<v Speaker 2>was the only songwriter. We you know, I say, were

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<v Speaker 2>the Tupac Shakur of retired metal bands because a JJ

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<v Speaker 2>French keeps finding new tapes to release. And I listened

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<v Speaker 2>to these early songs and my god, I'm embarrassed. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, No wonder we didn't get signed. Oh my god,

0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.280
<v Speaker 2>those songs were terrible. You know, as I said with

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<v Speaker 2>radio writing, songwriting is a craft. You have to get

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<v Speaker 2>good at it. So by the time we got the eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's right when we got signed, I started hitting

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<v Speaker 2>my stride as a songwriter, really understanding the craft of

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<v Speaker 2>writing a song. And it is, you know, it is

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<v Speaker 2>melody meets meets the music, bed meets the lyrics meets

0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.280
<v Speaker 2>the production. It's all those peas that you've studied and

0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.399
<v Speaker 2>learned how to achieve, all coming together. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>not understanding that, you know, put us over the goldpost.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you that that moment where I knew

0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:14.720
<v Speaker 2>we arrived. Okay, yes, so we were all we in England.

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<v Speaker 2>We just released the album. But back in the old days,

0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.000
<v Speaker 2>when you were a child, you would know about this.

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<v Speaker 2>It took in America, it took like eight weeks, seven

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<v Speaker 2>eight weeks for the record to get out to the stores,

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<v Speaker 2>get out to the radio stations, sach, get out there,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So we went to Europe immediately upon release

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<v Speaker 2>of the record, because over there the countries are like states,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can go to England and you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>information has been received, play shows, and we're hearing that

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<v Speaker 2>in the States. We're not gonna take it as doing well.

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<v Speaker 2>We're hearing about a lot of ads going on and

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, but it's all Internet, nothing like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just hearing it's doing great. It's doing great. Come

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<v Speaker 2>home and and Susanne and I walk in. We had

0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.159
<v Speaker 2>a pretty big tour in England with big stars. Float

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<v Speaker 2>into the house as I always do, and I am

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<v Speaker 2>a god. And Susan goes, yeah, empty the diaper pail.

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<v Speaker 2>It smells horrible, okay, And I go empty the back.

0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:06.600
<v Speaker 2>He goes, Now you go up to the dairy barne

0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.320
<v Speaker 2>and get some milk. Okay. So you know what I

0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:11.560
<v Speaker 2>thought it was? It was a rock star too two

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.440
<v Speaker 2>hours ago. Now I'm gonna bother again. So anyway, which

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<v Speaker 2>I love being a father again. In the car, Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>is turnal the radio. We're not gonna take its playing

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<v Speaker 2>W B A B No. I wonder what's playing on?

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<v Speaker 2>What was it on the other station? Carame w L

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<v Speaker 2>I R Boom. Hit the button where I gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>its playing? I said, all right, I'm going with the

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<v Speaker 2>TRITTECHTA the other rock station in town w P L

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<v Speaker 2>J boom where I could take its playing. Every station

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<v Speaker 2>was playing where I could take it. I'm going, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is happening. When that happens, I've never had that

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<v Speaker 2>happen on the radio ever, you know, with anybody's music.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you arrived, you know that was the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and I want to ask you more, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>running out of time, unfortunately. But maybe you can tell

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<v Speaker 3>the story about how Lenny brought to you on stage

0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:06.679
<v Speaker 3>and they were throwing bottles. Let me and that's a

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<v Speaker 3>pretty emotional story, which I remember when you told me,

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<v Speaker 3>and when I was reading your autobiographies that you made

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<v Speaker 3>me read sitting next to you on a plane so

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<v Speaker 3>I could ask you questions, such a deep thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I would stop talking to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen read this first before we talk.

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<v Speaker 3>I had read recently that the Israeli Defense Force asked

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<v Speaker 3>you if they could use We're not going to take

0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:35.479
<v Speaker 3>it as their battlecry to fight these terrorists. And I

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<v Speaker 3>thought to myself, that must just blow your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>A and B.

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<v Speaker 3>You're kind of like a superhero. And I bring this

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<v Speaker 3>up only because you have a new graphic novel that

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<v Speaker 3>you just recently released and you're the superhero on front.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not going to take it. And I just wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to ask what that was all about. Is this your

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<v Speaker 3>true self finally getting to come out and be the

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<v Speaker 3>comic book hero.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a comic book I was always a comic

0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:08.360
<v Speaker 2>book kid. I love comics. One of the things I

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:10.720
<v Speaker 2>picked up when we didn't have TV in our house

0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:15.960
<v Speaker 2>reading comics. And yeah, nothing better than seeing yourself represented

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<v Speaker 2>as a superhero and people, if you read he's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to take it. No, I don't have a cape

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<v Speaker 2>or anything, but they just the perception of that's put

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<v Speaker 2>forth of me going to Washington is that I was heroic.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you, looking back on it, I go,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that I was able to walk with

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<v Speaker 2>pants that tight and balls that big, okay, because I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I look as a wall. My god, I just

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<v Speaker 2>just like, holy crap. I could do it again, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But Wow, to be twenty something and be that confident

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<v Speaker 2>in your belief system to go and sit down and

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<v Speaker 2>stand before those senators and what have you and speak

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<v Speaker 2>your mind and debate that and argue with them. Pretty

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<v Speaker 2>proud of that. And I'm proud that people view it

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<v Speaker 2>as a heroic moment. I don't view myself as a superhero.

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I do have a cape at home, but I never

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<v Speaker 2>wear it on the street. And I just when I

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<v Speaker 2>hear I heard that that were Ukrainian soldiers were using,

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<v Speaker 2>We're not we're playing, We're not gonna take it. Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers were playing where I could take it our own military,

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.959
<v Speaker 2>United States military, We're not gonna take it. It lifts

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<v Speaker 2>them up and helps them do a dirty job, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a dirty job, defending the world's tough job. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I am more than honored because as the military goes,

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<v Speaker 2>it is due to the volunteer army that we have

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<v Speaker 2>that I was allowed to explore all of my dreams.

0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have to serve in the military, thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>my dad and all the great soldiers who in the

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 2>volunteer Army, and I'm allowed. I was allowed to just

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<v Speaker 2>be in a crazy rock and roll band and be creative.

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<v Speaker 2>Of so if something I created because they allowed me

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<v Speaker 2>to create, that lifts them up and inspires them, it's

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<v Speaker 2>full circle as far as I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>It sure is. And it's so powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm so happy for you that you've been able

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<v Speaker 3>to make such a fruitful, an amazing career, not only

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<v Speaker 3>for yourself and your family, but how much you have

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<v Speaker 3>touched the lives of just generations of people, and you're

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<v Speaker 3>helping countries. Your legacy. The last thought is you know

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 3>your musical legacy. How proud are you of that?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, my manager always says, you only have two hits,

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<v Speaker 2>make them doozies, and that's Fill Courson, you know Phil, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and because he works with somebody with Foreigner and you

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<v Speaker 2>know he signed Abbah and Genesis, and yes, guy's responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for about three hundred and seventy five million records sold

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<v Speaker 2>ac DC. But my two big songs are some of

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<v Speaker 2>the most licensed songs of the eighties. They're sort of

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<v Speaker 2>that we will rock you and we're the champions of

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<v Speaker 2>the eighties. As far as licensing goes, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, I told you that, just saw

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 2>a thing of in Eurasia at a football game, one

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.719
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand people singing, we're not going to take it.

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Never expected the music to reach that far. And you know,

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 2>and if I leave a single song behind and it's

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<v Speaker 2>become a folks song already wherever you go, the whole

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:26.919
<v Speaker 2>world knows a song, then I don't even know who

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 2>wrote it anymore, many of them. And that's okay. It's

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, if that I leave that legacy and a

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 2>song that that inspires people and empowers people to push back,

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, and sometimes you got to push back, no

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 2>matter we have, everybody has to push back. Sometimes. If

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>that one song is you know, you know, maybe this

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 2>is maybe maybe I'll write down on my tombstone. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't take it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he did not take it.

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 2>He didn't well, eventually he died.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Standing over that grave, apparently he took it one left time.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you can't beat that. No one's beat that yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me know when they do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm well, oh my gosh, I hope that day never happens.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just such a pleasure to know you and call

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 3>you a friend. And I'm so grateful that you would

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:12.920
<v Speaker 3>come on and do this for me today and share

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 3>all of your personal emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>I almost brought you to tears.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, that's why wear the glasses, see see you know,

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, it's emotional. Uh you know what feeling's

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.679
<v Speaker 2>mutual like a sister to me. And you know, one

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 2>regret is that you know our past. You know, I

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>live in la You got you and your husband in Connecticut,

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:38.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's tough to see your friends. But

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 2>it's always whenever we get in the air, we just

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 2>it's like we've never we don't miss a beat.

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>No, we don't.

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 3>And one time you told me I was too nice,

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 3>and I'm a little less nice now, so maybe something

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 3>will happen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an old time story for another show. People Me

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 2>and Lynn talking about doing a show together, and that's

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 2>one of the said to her, is is it's too nice?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'll tell you that I can't complain. I

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>can't complain here.

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Someone like me, somebody like me doing radio me you

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 2>have to push back, that's right, you can't. You can't

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 2>be because I'm so like you know, like like that.

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 2>You gotta be able to say, hey, I disagree with

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 2>you on that. No, you know what, just be like

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 2>my wife. You have to be like my wife. You

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 2>got to you gotta be able to say no.

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<v Speaker 3>Does she get a word in ever? Oh god, I

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 3>don't say just a word in. I'm quiet in the house.

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't talk virtually at all.

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 2>You would think I'm I'm a quiet one. Everybody'll let

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 2>everybody else shine in the house. Just a little side

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 2>on my book Frats. By the way, my novel Frats

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 2>is out now available in Stories are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>made into a major motion picture. I just found out.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you more about that. But my favorite

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 2>review so far was Suzette. She read it, she comes

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 2>and sort of we're just sort of there. She goes,

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<v Speaker 2>the book's really good. I was like, why she's it's

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>like she's mad about it. By right, the book book,

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 2>it's really good. I'm like, you liked it, she goes,

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.479
<v Speaker 2>don't make me blow more smoke of your butt than

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing for the last forty seven years. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I like it. It's great. She's the tough toughest critic

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 2>of all.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, I don't mess with a woman who will get

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 3>on her own house's roof to clean it by yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>D thank you so much for being on music save

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<v Speaker 3>to me. I wish we had another day and a

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<v Speaker 3>half because I still have so much to talk to

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<v Speaker 3>you about.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe you'll come back again soon.

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Well you know a guy. Thanks. You can just say

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 2>come back on the show when you're ready and we'll

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 2>do it all right, all right, thanks so much, right

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<v Speaker 2>awesome