1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,360 Speaker 1: Music saved me. 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: The intensity of that music empowered me and gave me 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: the strength save me. Otherwise I would have just I 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: remember I took a school aptitude test and it said farmer, farmer? 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: Why did they think that I would farmer? And I'm 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: going to know I think it may have been. I 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: think that may have been the starting gun of like 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: I will not be a farmer. 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Music Saved Me Podcast, where we focus 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 3: on the healing powers of music. I'm your host, Lynn Hoffman, 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 3: and on this episode we get to talk with a 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 3: true rock icon from a legendary band who is also 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: an actor, a television host, a novelist, graphic novelist, syndicated 14 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: radio talk show host, composer, recent game show host, contestant. 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: The list goes on actor. 16 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: I put that in there, but secretly, even though he 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 3: probably doesn't want me to mention it. He's also one 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: of the kindest and most giving guys I know, with 19 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 3: an equally incredible family. D Snyder is best known as 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,919 Speaker 3: the badass front man of the incredible eighties rock band 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: Twisted Sister, and he also happens to be a dear 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: old friend Dee Snider. 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: Welcome to music saved me. 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: Wen. Great to be here, and thank you for all 25 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: those kind accolades. It's much appreciated. And yeah, I love 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: to talk about this because you know, music saved me, 27 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: and I know my music has saved others, which blows 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: my mind. 29 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: Yes, well, just because we go way back and I 30 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: kind of think of you as a brother from another mother, 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: I think I'm going to start with the hardest question 32 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: up front, which is what you were just talking about. 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: Do you remember when music first saved you. 34 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: I fell in love with rock and roll after seeing 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show. Ash. I didn't 36 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: see them. I heard about them being there because my 37 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: dad had banned television in our house. But that such 38 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: was the effect of the beatles appearance, just people talking 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: about it made me want to be a Beetle, which 40 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: turned out you couldn't be that, so I had to 41 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 2: be a rock star. But as I started there was 42 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: an elementary school at that point. But as I started 43 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: growing and became this background layer character some you know, 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: I didn't fit in anywhere. I just wasn't. I knew 45 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: I had more to offer, yet I just was one 46 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: of those nobody's in school and at about sixteen, I 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: just decided that I would not go silently into the 48 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: night and people would hear from me. They would notice me, 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: and they would and I had something to say. And 50 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: it was first the using music to power me, and 51 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: that I was drawn to harder music. It wasn't called 52 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: heavy metal back then. It was hard rock. The bands 53 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: like Cream and Hendricks and Mountain and all these bands, 54 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: and it started a grand funk wear road and it 55 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. These are all hard rock bands. 56 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: But that intensity of that music empowered me and gave 57 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: me the strength, saved me. Otherwise I would have just 58 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: I remember I took a school aptitude test and it 59 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 2: said farmer, farmer? Why did they think that I would farmer? 60 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: And I'm going to know I think it may have been. 61 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: I think that may have been the starting gun of like, 62 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: I will not be a farmer. I'm somebody. I'm going 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: to be somebody. And it was the music that lifted 64 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: me up and drove me forward. 65 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: Now, I recalled back after reading your memoir not too 66 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: long ago, you had mentioned something about you you always 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: had to shut up and shut up and be good 68 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: and and sit down and do the right thing and 69 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: say the right thing. Was there a moment in your 70 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: childhood when you just decided you weren't going to shut 71 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: up anymore? 72 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's a It's interesting you brought that up, 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: because in the new graphic novel, he's not going to 74 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: take it. They want to do it's about my senate appearance. 75 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: But they wanted to understand how me and that moment 76 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: in time converged and how I was there to be 77 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: that voice to fight censorship in nineteen eighty five. And 78 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: as we look back and as we talked, they found 79 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: out exactly bad. I was a kid that was told 80 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: be quiet, know your place, shush, and you know, and 81 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: just sort of pushed in the background. And at about 82 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: sixteen years old, I got tired of shushing. I got 83 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: tired of not being heard, and I started acting out 84 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: in school and not violently or anything, but you know, well, 85 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: I remember I started wearing a derby that got a 86 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: lot of attention. But I was in a band and 87 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: we became a popular local band, not Twisted, when I 88 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: was in high school, and all those things gave me. 89 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: The microphone gave me a place for people to hear me, 90 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: and it really was first my voice that they heard, 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: and then in between songs I started yeappen and soon 92 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: I became a thing for d snider to the in 93 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: between parts. As my wife used to say, I like 94 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: the in between the songs better than I like the songs, 95 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: because when you're talking it's entertaining and it's funny. But 96 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: I really was, you know. I got tired at round 97 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: sixteen again of just being a background player and said, 98 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to be heard and I will never 99 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: shut up again, and I haven't. Now. 100 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: You said that the music inspired you. Do you believe 101 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: that music has you know, supernatural healing powers, you know, 102 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: something you can't quite put your finger on, but that 103 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 3: that drove you, or that drives people in general. 104 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: I believe that one I you know when I say 105 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: what interestingly so here? I am, you know listening to 106 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: bands I mentioned, I listened to all the bands, and 107 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: but they're not it's the power of the music that 108 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: is inspiring me. Then I start finding bands like Alice 109 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: who have messages that are inspiring me. The song I'm 110 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: eighteen was out when I was eighteen, and it was 111 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 2: I'm getting chills right now because it was a line 112 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: in there I'm a boy and I'm a man, and 113 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: it was like it was like you're in the cusp 114 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 2: of being an adult, but you're still treated like a child. 115 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 2: And this was one of the first times that the 116 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: lyrics and Alice was all about anthem. Schools Out, you know, 117 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: all these great anthems. I graduated when Schools Out came out. 118 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm getting chills, you know, like, have that 119 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: song come out when I'm getting out of high school. 120 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: I mean the words now were connecting with me and 121 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: made me as I wasn't a songwriter yet, but when 122 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: I became a songwriter, I said, I don't want to 123 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: sit there singing about you know, heavy metal fantasies or 124 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: sex and drugs and rock and roll. Well rock and roll, sure, 125 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: but sex and drugs. I want to say more. I 126 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: want to inspire people, but at the same time, I'm 127 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: inspiring myself. Our first hit in England a song called 128 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: I Am I'm Me, and it was literally my personal 129 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: declaration of independence. Who are you to look down at 130 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: what I believe? I'm onto? I'm onto your thinking and 131 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: how you deceive. No, you can't abuse me. I won't 132 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: stand no more. Yes, I know the reason yes, I 133 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: know the score. I am I'm me, and people said, 134 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: what do you pop eye? I am what? I am? No, 135 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: But it was just like what aus I am a me? 136 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: It's just a statement. It doesn't matter what I am. 137 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: I'm a person, and I have the right to have 138 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: my feelings and my beliefs and my opinions. And so 139 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: I started using the words to further energize and empower me, 140 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: but at the same time hoping that people out there 141 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: were hearing. People like myself who were background players, were 142 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: listening and going, he's talking to me. I hear this, Yes, this, Yes, 143 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: he's right, He's right, And I wanted them to be 144 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: lifted up as well. Well. 145 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: It's interesting because you once told me that, and you've 146 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: told us up front on the show that me Uasac 147 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 3: has literally your music specifically has changed people's lives and 148 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: saved them. Can you maybe share one or two of 149 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: those stories that you witnessed. 150 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: This is the only one I need to tell, because 151 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: there's tons of little stories of people who tell me 152 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: that you know, you know that that my music, you know, 153 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: just empowered them and drove them, and always they turned 154 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: to it and lifts them up with my words, you know, 155 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: stay hungry, and we're not going to take it. And 156 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: all these statements that I was making was all we're 157 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 2: all words of empowerment. I get an email and I 158 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: was to my email address. I don't know how I'm 159 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: an email address, and when I see I don't recognize it. 160 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 2: I just deleted. But it's said you save seven lives. 161 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: And my gosh, they saved seven lives. What is that about? 162 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: You know, going to press read and I got one 163 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: eye closed, so, like I said, I didn't actually totally 164 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: read it. And it was a guy who using my 165 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: music for inspiration. He was a kayaker and kayak deaths 166 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: happened when the kayak flips over and they get stuck 167 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: in rocks and they drown. Playing my Stay Hungry album 168 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: over and over, he created an air bladder Life Best 169 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 2: that gives you air for forty five minutes and it 170 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: just I'm getting chills again. Oh my just come out. 171 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: This is years ago, This is years ago, but he 172 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: said you saved seven lives. This year. It just came 173 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: out and people are already And if your album, if 174 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: I hadn't heard your words stay hungry, and we're just 175 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: driving me forward. I wouldn't have stuck with it, and 176 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: I did. And now my invention's reality and it is 177 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: saving lives. So you have seen your music has saved lives. 178 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: How's that? 179 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: That's a pretty amazing story. 180 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: Incredible. You never know who you're touching, who you're reaching. 181 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 2: The other day, now, the social media I saw I 182 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: saw in Indonesia at a soccer game, hundreds of thousands 183 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: of people singing we're not going to take it in 184 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: some foreign language but waving there, but I'm going, holy crap. 185 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: You know, you don't realize you just can't popular with 186 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 2: that's art though, whether it's a drawing, whether it's one 187 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: of your shows. You know, I know that you've you've 188 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: done really well in the ratings. You know, you're hoping 189 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: that your message that you're trying to communicate here will 190 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: reach people and help people and lift them up. So 191 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: hopefully you're saving lives to live. 192 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: Oh thanks, Well, you know, ever since I've known you, 193 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 3: you've you've pretty much been giving back. I feel like 194 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 3: that's what attracted us to each other to begin with, 195 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: not just that we worked on VH one, but but 196 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: you know, we both wanted to use our platform to 197 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 3: do good things. And to help people because otherwise it's 198 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: really not worth it. But music specifically is really just 199 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: so special because it's, like you said, it's art, So 200 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: it's beyond just us talking heads or saying things. It's 201 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: it's the things that really reach down deep and grab people. 202 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: And what I really want to know, I've been with 203 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: you personally on appearances and seeing how you deal with 204 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 3: people of all kinds, all walks of life, and you're 205 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: very disarming and you make them feel so comfortable. What 206 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: I want to know, and what I think everyone listening 207 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: might want to know, is how does it make you 208 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: feel when you meet or witness someone who has been 209 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: helped deeply by your music. 210 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 2: So I don't play anymore. Occasional I'll go do a 211 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: couple of songs with you know, like the other night 212 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: I played with Ret Michael's for a couple of songs. 213 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: It's more fun than anything. But touring recording albums, it's 214 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: not what I do. But I do a lot of 215 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: signing appearances a lot, and people line up and I 216 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: try to get each person on that line. They wait 217 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: sometimes for hours. They're a moment, you know. I was 218 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: trained really well by members of Kiss. I won't name names, 219 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: but I did my first signing with members of Kiss 220 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: and they were so rude to the fans. We were 221 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: sitting at a table together. I just said, I'm not 222 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: going to be that guy. These people waiting and how 223 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 2: could you not look them in the eye, How do 224 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: you not shake their hand? How can you not take 225 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: a moment to acknowledge how much their passion for you do. 226 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 2: But on those lines, everybody's got a story, and I'm 227 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: always glad to hear it. And you're tired of hearing this, No, 228 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: I'm never tired of hearing it, never ever, ever. And 229 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: I get people coming up to me in tears, shaking 230 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: because I meant so much to them, the music meant 231 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: so much to them. And a lot of times they 232 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: share with me a story, a memory, something. With the 233 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: younger ones, often it's with their parents now who passed on, 234 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: and they talk about how they shared my music or whatever, 235 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: and that's a lasting memory. So I find that, you know, 236 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: I'm always welcoming to everybody who comes up, which it 237 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: throws people off a little bit, and I expect, I 238 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: don't know that they want to bite their head off. 239 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: But at the same time, yeah, I'm just I'm honored 240 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: and I'm touched. Yes, I was trying to reach them, 241 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: Yes I wanted them to hear my words. But so 242 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: many people don't hear what I'm saying. They hear the catchphrase, 243 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: and I won't go political, but there are people on 244 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: many people who use where are going to take it 245 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 2: as their battle cry? And not just me. You hear 246 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: so many musicians like rage as machine killing in the name, 247 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: people like, yeah, you, we won't do what you tell us, 248 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: you know, and they're completely missing the point of the song. 249 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: And so when there are people who come up to 250 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 2: me and talk to me and share with me, and 251 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 2: I go, you got it, I often hug them and go. 252 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 2: I was shouting in the screaming in the night, hoping 253 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: people like you would hear me. And you did, And 254 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: I'm glad I know. And now I'm getting choked up. 255 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: You wanted that, Oh you, Barbara Walters. 256 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, give me my Ba Walter's moment. 257 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: This is why I wear the stung glasses. I'm getting 258 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: too emotional in my old age. I love it. 259 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: Well. 260 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: You were once quoted as saying, there's so much about 261 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: your life that you didn't see coming referring to all 262 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: the incredible things that you've been able to accomplish in 263 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: your career, you know, both career and personally. But looking 264 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: back on your life now, how much would you say 265 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: music played a role? I know that seems kind of obvious, 266 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: but you know what I'm talking about. 267 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I was my mindset a third a third, 268 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: but it was, but it was really It's not really true, 269 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: it was maybe a third. Like so much more of 270 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: my life came after music. And I'm not talking about you. 271 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: I played until it was my sixties, but a lot 272 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: of it was you know, reunion shows and stuff like that. 273 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: There was that, you know, up until forty where I 274 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: was you know, actively, really really creative musically, and you know, 275 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: so I got so that was a part of my life. 276 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: And then I went into acting in voiceover and radio 277 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: and TV and reality too much reality TV and writing books, screenplays. 278 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to be directing next. So I said all 279 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: those things. But it really is all about the music, 280 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: because the music is the foundation, the platform that set 281 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: me up, that lifted me up, It liberated me, it 282 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: freed me, It gave me the platform to do these 283 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: other things. Now, minds you. As we all know from 284 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: the great David Lee raw taking over for Howard Stearn story, 285 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: you can't just start doing radio out of nowhere. It's 286 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: a craft. And I've been doing radio over thirty years 287 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: and I've gotten as you know, we've worked together, I've 288 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: gotten good at it. But it has nothing to do 289 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: with me being a rock star. It has to do 290 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: with putting the hours, getting on the mic, listening to 291 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: the life. But I tell people, he said, you know, what, 292 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: what are you tell me about? You know, you want 293 00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: to be in radio. So you got to love the 294 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: sound of your own voice. And they said, what do 295 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: you mean by that? I said, you need to listen 296 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: to air checks endlessly. You got to record yourself and 297 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: listen back and and it's painful, especially in the beginning, 298 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: so you learn how to get better. But anyway, all 299 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: but it all comes down to it all started with music. 300 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: It's still will wherever be a part of my life. 301 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: I got a great T shirt this is Death by 302 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: Rock and Roll on it and which is a good 303 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: way to go. And you know, but yeah, without it 304 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: I would have and being nothing. 305 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: You know, it can be very personal too. 306 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: I mean when you when you put out new albums 307 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: and music to be judged by the world. When was 308 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: the moment that you realized, Okay, we're really onto something 309 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 3: musically in terms of creating you know that positive emotional 310 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: feedback with your songs and from your audiences. Why do 311 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: you think your music still resonates to this day. Is 312 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: it because it's anthemic or is it because of the words? 313 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: Is it the melody? 314 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: I mean, there's something magical in there that keeps something 315 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: alive for that many years. 316 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'll start by saying, one of the reasons 317 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: I stopped writing is because after you've written and had 318 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 2: it received, played on the radio, listen to, lauded and enjoyed. 319 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: I you know, it's very hard. It's hard for me 320 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: just go back to writing for my own head and writing. 321 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: And I wrote and wrote and wrote, and virtually none 322 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: of that music landed with anybody. 323 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: Was that there and. 324 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: What to write and write and write? Or no it wasn't. 325 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: That was painful because once you know, in the beginning, 326 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 2: once you've had your children and your songs like your children, 327 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: and you've been out there and people are just enjoying them, 328 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 2: very hard to go back to writing in a in 329 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: a in a void and just playing it for yourself 330 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: and not really having anybody hear it. And when you say, 331 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: these songs are just as as good as the stuff 332 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: better I write, I knew at one point that was 333 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: death Broughto. I wrote some of the best music of 334 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 2: my life. The stuff virtually never came out until like 335 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: twenty years later. It was just sort of a it 336 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: got shelved by lecture. It's another story. But I got 337 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: tired of writing stuff that wasn't getting heard after because 338 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 2: I experienced how amazing it feels and to see I 339 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: call it smiles at the speed of sound we played. 340 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 2: We would play these festivals. I play these festivals thirty 341 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: fifty ninety one hundred thousand people and when you go 342 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: into the songs, when you go into we're not gonna 343 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: take it and prove, but I see it from the stage, 344 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: it's a it's a smiles that start the front row, 345 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 2: the first people receiving the audio audio information, and it 346 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: goes all the way to the back. I could see it, 347 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: and then the hands and the body language, and it 348 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: is such an incredible feeling to know you're connecting with 349 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 2: people on that level. Those moments but it's it's a drug. 350 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 2: It's very hard because you know later in your career 351 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: and every single rock star talks about this. You know, 352 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: I call new Materialists the bathroom song because I don't 353 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: care what urinary problems you have. The minute the lead 354 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 2: singer of any band says her ring's off the new album, 355 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 2: you can see people running for the bathroom. Okay, I'm gonna. 356 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it's said, I tell the audience, I say, 357 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: I see you, I see you that I saw I 358 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: saw Zeppelin. More Physical Graffiti came out and that is 359 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: his greag Garden and they said this one's off the 360 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: new albums called physical Graffiti. They started playing physical Graffiti, 361 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: not physically, they played Kashmir. This is Kashmir. Half the 362 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: arena went to the bathroom or to get a beer 363 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 2: because nobody knew the song. Nobody, and it sounded like 364 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: crapping that Square Garden too. But I'm going, oh my god. 365 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: So so you know, it's hurtful as a career an 366 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: artist to see your music not being respected. So that's 367 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 2: why I I walked away from it. That's why I 368 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: walked away for it. As far as your question about 369 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: you know, when it all comes together. Well, first of all, 370 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: Twisted it was together. I was with them for eight years. 371 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 2: They were together two years before I got there. I 372 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: was the only songwriter. We you know, I say, were 373 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 2: the Tupac Shakur of retired metal bands because a JJ 374 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: French keeps finding new tapes to release. And I listened 375 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: to these early songs and my god, I'm embarrassed. Oh 376 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: my god, No wonder we didn't get signed. Oh my god, 377 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: those songs were terrible. You know, as I said with 378 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: radio writing, songwriting is a craft. You have to get 379 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 2: good at it. So by the time we got the eighties, 380 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 2: and that's right when we got signed, I started hitting 381 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: my stride as a songwriter, really understanding the craft of 382 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: writing a song. And it is, you know, it is 383 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 2: melody meets meets the music, bed meets the lyrics meets 384 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: the production. It's all those peas that you've studied and 385 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 2: learned how to achieve, all coming together. And it was 386 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 2: not understanding that, you know, put us over the goldpost. 387 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you that that moment where I knew 388 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: we arrived. Okay, yes, so we were all we in England. 389 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: We just released the album. But back in the old days, 390 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: when you were a child, you would know about this. 391 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: It took in America, it took like eight weeks, seven 392 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: eight weeks for the record to get out to the stores, 393 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: get out to the radio stations, sach, get out there, 394 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: you know. So we went to Europe immediately upon release 395 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: of the record, because over there the countries are like states, 396 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: and you can go to England and you know, the 397 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 2: information has been received, play shows, and we're hearing that 398 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: in the States. We're not gonna take it as doing well. 399 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 2: We're hearing about a lot of ads going on and 400 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: blah blah blah, but it's all Internet, nothing like that. 401 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 2: We're just hearing it's doing great. It's doing great. Come 402 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 2: home and and Susanne and I walk in. We had 403 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 2: a pretty big tour in England with big stars. Float 404 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 2: into the house as I always do, and I am 405 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: a god. And Susan goes, yeah, empty the diaper pail. 406 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: It smells horrible, okay, And I go empty the back. 407 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: He goes, Now you go up to the dairy barne 408 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: and get some milk. Okay. So you know what I 409 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: thought it was? It was a rock star too two 410 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 2: hours ago. Now I'm gonna bother again. So anyway, which 411 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: I love being a father again. In the car, Ryan 412 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: is turnal the radio. We're not gonna take its playing 413 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: W B A B No. I wonder what's playing on? 414 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 2: What was it on the other station? Carame w L 415 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: I R Boom. Hit the button where I gonna take 416 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: its playing? I said, all right, I'm going with the 417 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: TRITTECHTA the other rock station in town w P L 418 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: J boom where I could take its playing. Every station 419 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: was playing where I could take it. I'm going, all right, 420 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: this is happening. When that happens, I've never had that 421 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: happen on the radio ever, you know, with anybody's music. 422 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 2: You know you arrived, you know that was the moment. 423 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: Yes, and I want to ask you more, but I'm 424 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 3: running out of time, unfortunately. But maybe you can tell 425 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: the story about how Lenny brought to you on stage 426 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 3: and they were throwing bottles. Let me and that's a 427 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: pretty emotional story, which I remember when you told me, 428 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: and when I was reading your autobiographies that you made 429 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 3: me read sitting next to you on a plane so 430 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: I could ask you questions, such a deep thing to do. 431 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 2: I would stop talking to us. 432 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: Listen read this first before we talk. 433 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: I had read recently that the Israeli Defense Force asked 434 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 3: you if they could use We're not going to take 435 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 3: it as their battlecry to fight these terrorists. And I 436 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 3: thought to myself, that must just blow your mind. 437 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: A and B. 438 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 3: You're kind of like a superhero. And I bring this 439 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 3: up only because you have a new graphic novel that 440 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 3: you just recently released and you're the superhero on front. 441 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 3: He's not going to take it. And I just wanted 442 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 3: to ask what that was all about. Is this your 443 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: true self finally getting to come out and be the 444 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 3: comic book hero. 445 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a comic book I was always a comic 446 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 2: book kid. I love comics. One of the things I 447 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: picked up when we didn't have TV in our house 448 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: reading comics. And yeah, nothing better than seeing yourself represented 449 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: as a superhero and people, if you read he's not 450 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: going to take it. No, I don't have a cape 451 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: or anything, but they just the perception of that's put 452 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: forth of me going to Washington is that I was heroic. 453 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you, looking back on it, I go, 454 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: I can't believe that I was able to walk with 455 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: pants that tight and balls that big, okay, because I 456 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: mean I look as a wall. My god, I just 457 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: just like, holy crap. I could do it again, for sure. 458 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 2: But Wow, to be twenty something and be that confident 459 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: in your belief system to go and sit down and 460 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: stand before those senators and what have you and speak 461 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 2: your mind and debate that and argue with them. Pretty 462 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: proud of that. And I'm proud that people view it 463 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: as a heroic moment. I don't view myself as a superhero. 464 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: I do have a cape at home, but I never 465 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 2: wear it on the street. And I just when I 466 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: hear I heard that that were Ukrainian soldiers were using, 467 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: We're not we're playing, We're not gonna take it. Israeli 468 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: soldiers were playing where I could take it our own military, 469 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 2: United States military, We're not gonna take it. It lifts 470 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 2: them up and helps them do a dirty job, and 471 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: it's a dirty job, defending the world's tough job. Then 472 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: I am more than honored because as the military goes, 473 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 2: it is due to the volunteer army that we have 474 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 2: that I was allowed to explore all of my dreams. 475 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: I didn't have to serve in the military, thanks to 476 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 2: my dad and all the great soldiers who in the 477 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: volunteer Army, and I'm allowed. I was allowed to just 478 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: be in a crazy rock and roll band and be creative. 479 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: Of so if something I created because they allowed me 480 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 2: to create, that lifts them up and inspires them, it's 481 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: full circle as far as I'm concerned. 482 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: It sure is. And it's so powerful. 483 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: And I'm so happy for you that you've been able 484 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 3: to make such a fruitful, an amazing career, not only 485 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 3: for yourself and your family, but how much you have 486 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: touched the lives of just generations of people, and you're 487 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 3: helping countries. Your legacy. The last thought is you know 488 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: your musical legacy. How proud are you of that? 489 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: Look, my manager always says, you only have two hits, 490 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: make them doozies, and that's Fill Courson, you know Phil, Yeah, 491 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 2: and because he works with somebody with Foreigner and you 492 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: know he signed Abbah and Genesis, and yes, guy's responsible 493 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: for about three hundred and seventy five million records sold 494 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: ac DC. But my two big songs are some of 495 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 2: the most licensed songs of the eighties. They're sort of 496 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: that we will rock you and we're the champions of 497 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: the eighties. As far as licensing goes, which is crazy. 498 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: And then you know, I told you that, just saw 499 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: a thing of in Eurasia at a football game, one 500 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 2: hundred thousand people singing, we're not going to take it. 501 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,719 Speaker 2: Never expected the music to reach that far. And you know, 502 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: and if I leave a single song behind and it's 503 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: become a folks song already wherever you go, the whole 504 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 2: world knows a song, then I don't even know who 505 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: wrote it anymore, many of them. And that's okay. It's 506 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: you know, if that I leave that legacy and a 507 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: song that that inspires people and empowers people to push back, 508 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes you got to push back, no 509 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: matter we have, everybody has to push back. Sometimes. If 510 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: that one song is you know, you know, maybe this 511 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: is maybe maybe I'll write down on my tombstone. He 512 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 2: didn't take it. 513 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: Well, he did not take it. 514 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: He didn't well, eventually he died. 515 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: But if you're. 516 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 3: Standing over that grave, apparently he took it one left time. 517 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: Like you can't beat that. No one's beat that yet. 518 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 2: Let me know when they do. 519 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: I'm well, oh my gosh, I hope that day never happens. 520 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: It's just such a pleasure to know you and call 521 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 3: you a friend. And I'm so grateful that you would 522 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 3: come on and do this for me today and share 523 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 3: all of your personal emotions. 524 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: I almost brought you to tears. 525 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: Oh well, that's why wear the glasses, see see you know, 526 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's emotional. Uh you know what feeling's 527 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: mutual like a sister to me. And you know, one 528 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: regret is that you know our past. You know, I 529 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 2: live in la You got you and your husband in Connecticut, 530 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,239 Speaker 2: you know, and it's tough to see your friends. But 531 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: it's always whenever we get in the air, we just 532 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: it's like we've never we don't miss a beat. 533 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: No, we don't. 534 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: And one time you told me I was too nice, 535 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 3: and I'm a little less nice now, so maybe something 536 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 3: will happen. 537 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: That's an old time story for another show. People Me 538 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: and Lynn talking about doing a show together, and that's 539 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: one of the said to her, is is it's too nice? 540 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: I guess I'll tell you that I can't complain. I 541 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: can't complain here. 542 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: Someone like me, somebody like me doing radio me you 543 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: have to push back, that's right, you can't. You can't 544 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: be because I'm so like you know, like like that. 545 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: You gotta be able to say, hey, I disagree with 546 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 2: you on that. No, you know what, just be like 547 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 2: my wife. You have to be like my wife. You 548 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: got to you gotta be able to say no. 549 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: Does she get a word in ever? Oh god, I 550 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 3: don't say just a word in. I'm quiet in the house. 551 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: I don't talk virtually at all. 552 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: You would think I'm I'm a quiet one. Everybody'll let 553 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 2: everybody else shine in the house. Just a little side 554 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: on my book Frats. By the way, my novel Frats 555 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: is out now available in Stories are going to be 556 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: made into a major motion picture. I just found out. 557 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: I can't tell you more about that. But my favorite 558 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: review so far was Suzette. She read it, she comes 559 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 2: and sort of we're just sort of there. She goes, 560 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: the book's really good. I was like, why she's it's 561 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: like she's mad about it. By right, the book book, 562 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: it's really good. I'm like, you liked it, she goes, 563 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 2: don't make me blow more smoke of your butt than 564 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: I've been doing for the last forty seven years. Yes, 565 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: I like it. It's great. She's the tough toughest critic 566 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: of all. 567 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 3: Listen, I don't mess with a woman who will get 568 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 3: on her own house's roof to clean it by yourself. 569 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 3: D thank you so much for being on music save 570 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: to me. I wish we had another day and a 571 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 3: half because I still have so much to talk to 572 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 3: you about. 573 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: But maybe you'll come back again soon. 574 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: Well you know a guy. Thanks. You can just say 575 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: come back on the show when you're ready and we'll 576 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 2: do it all right, all right, thanks so much, right 577 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: awesome