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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five point nine with Will Anderson, who

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Speaker 1: is the lead singer of a band I used to

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Speaker 1: really like called Parachute. They're no longer together. He is

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Speaker 1: a solo artist, and not only does he have music

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Speaker 1: out now that's new, he has published a poetry book

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Speaker 1: from his late wife who died tragically, and we talk

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Speaker 1: about that a bit. So he's got a debut solo

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Speaker 1: album called How Little Love Is, How Worth Everything, And

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Speaker 1: it's basically a eulogy for his late wife.

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Speaker 2: And she was a poet.

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Speaker 1: And so we talk about a lot of music, and

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Speaker 1: we talk about his wife and poetry. We talk about healthcare,

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Speaker 1: we talk about a lot of things I didn't really expect.

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Speaker 1: I also really enjoyed how this podcast started. I like

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Speaker 1: to talk about things where it's just like me and

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Speaker 1: somebody else talking about something instead of just going through

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Speaker 1: like the chronicle events of their life, which we get

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Speaker 1: to eventually anyway. But I really like this a lot. Again,

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Speaker 1: I've been a fan of his music for a long time.

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Speaker 1: He's got some shows coming up in November, these retimate

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Speaker 1: shows where he also reads poems from his wife's poetry book.

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, Los Angeles, Charlottesville, Chicago Will Anderson Music if

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Speaker 1: you want to get tickets to that, and also you

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Speaker 1: can see the book over there too. He's got two

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Speaker 1: Instagram accounts, like his main account is will Anderson Music,

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Speaker 1: but the one that I like is Monday Music Club

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Speaker 1: with Willie J. Where he just talks about famous music

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Speaker 1: stories and we talk about that. So that's a lot

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Speaker 1: to say. I really enjoyed this podcast. I really enjoyed

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Speaker 1: the hour plus I spent with will and maybe this

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Speaker 1: is the first time you're hearing of him, so enjoy

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Speaker 1: Will Anderson.

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Speaker 2: Will good to meet you me. I've been a fan

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Speaker 2: for a long time. Thank you man.

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Speaker 3: I've obviously you're a legend. But the you know, I

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Speaker 3: have a lot of friends who know you as well,

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Speaker 3: so this is nice to finally get a chance to connect.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if that's good or bad, because

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Speaker 1: you didn't say I have a lot of friends that

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Speaker 1: say nice things about you. You said I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: friends that have they all love it.

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Speaker 3: Let's put it that way. Let's put it that way.

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Speaker 3: Nothing but things to say.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I became a fan obviously, which probably most

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Speaker 1: people did the Parashote days.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, throwback, man, it was is

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Speaker 3: that throwback to me?

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Speaker 2: It feels like it. I don't think it is. It's

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Speaker 3: We finished in twenty nineteen, so it feels like but

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Speaker 3: just thinking back to the early days when we were

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Speaker 3: like the other guys still live in our hometown. So

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Speaker 3: when I go back, Like our old guitarist lives across

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Speaker 3: I just remember like skateboarding out front with him, and

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Speaker 2: But it's good. It's like everybody's still friends, which is nice.

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Speaker 3: But it's just funny to think back, like riding in

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Speaker 2: Are they Charlottesville? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Charlottesville Homo Dave Matthews band. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm familiar.

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Speaker 1: My my manager who owns my management company lives corn

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Speaker 2: Yeah, still lives in Charlottesville. Oh yeah. I played that

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Speaker 1: Of times and he was like, come play theater out.

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Speaker 1: I like, Charlotteville. Do you ever get back?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I go back all the time.

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Speaker 3: My parents are still there, my sister lives there now,

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Speaker 3: so it's like, you know, and Korn was a legend

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Speaker 3: like we used to uh you.

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah Corny say Dave, corn put Dave.

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Speaker 3: So so we in high school signed with or in

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Speaker 2: So we were that's who I am. Went him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were with him forever. And Korn was very

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Speaker 3: He's like very like, nice job guys, you know, but

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Speaker 3: you did a great job. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I'd

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Speaker 1: That's that story of how. And I think Korn was

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Speaker 2: And I think you can hear a bit of that,

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Speaker 2: oh for sure. Yeah. I want to insult you by

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Speaker 2: saying you can hear it if you don't feel like

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Speaker 2: you can hear it, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 3: I I freely admit, Dave was probably my number one.

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Speaker 3: He's the reason we wanted to be a band when

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Speaker 1: So the idea that you just recorded shows and sent

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Speaker 1: him out for free and like just had people record genius.

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Speaker 2: Oh dude, he was.

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Speaker 3: And to think back, like, you know, talking to some

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Speaker 3: out and the way they would just do that every week.

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Speaker 3: It was really like we that's basically what our blueprint

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Speaker 3: all because we would just study Dave Matthew's band and like,

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Speaker 3: what did they do? That's what we want to do.

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Speaker 3: We were way worse musicians, Like we were terrible, but

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Speaker 1: When Corn tells the cause, I've been with Qorn like

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Speaker 1: it was, you know, Corn had a couple of bars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was like he was like the guy

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Speaker 3: So you guys all went to high school together. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So and he and our keyboard players moms were college roommates,

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Speaker 2: Basically. Was that a California to Virginia move? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So my parents are from LA, and I went to

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Speaker 1: So I was that a culture change at all for you?

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is not good. Were you a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was obsessed with music in general, but I

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Speaker 2: So your dad doctor, doctor, yeah, professor. Yeah. So with that,

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean their stability, I know, it's

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Speaker 1: And what you're doing is the opposite of anything creative.

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Speaker 3: My I think my parents were like, as long as

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Speaker 2: So my mom was very nice. She let us practice

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'd skate for an hour and then for

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Speaker 2: But with her, it was she just I think she

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Speaker 3: Like my parents were both big fans of music and

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Speaker 1: They just had their own and that would be kind

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Speaker 3: And it was like my sister. My sister is like

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Speaker 2: I was not.

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Speaker 3: So I think my path was not to be a

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I feel the same and I don't

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Speaker 1: want to put words in your mouth when you said,

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Speaker 1: you know, back then college it used to be you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was. I don't feel that way anymore.

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Speaker 1: And I was the first person in my family to

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Speaker 1: Awesome totally, and it shows that you have the ability

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Speaker 1: I have so many friends that finished that went to

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Speaker 1: but there are a lot of other friends where they

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Speaker 2: I'm in debt. Yeah, and I don't really learn anything

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Speaker 3: With me, it was, you know, I majored in music,

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Speaker 3: And my parents were again, as long as you finish

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Speaker 3: like that. And I was and they're thinking, like two

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Speaker 3: extra days in the hospital. In the United States, it's

444
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Speaker 3: sixty grand easily. But you talked to again, you talked

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Speaker 3: to my dad, who's a doctor who gets paid by this,

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Speaker 3: you know, and he works for a university hospital. So

447
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Speaker 3: this isn't like a for profit sort of thing. I mean,

448
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Speaker 3: it is in its own way, but even he is

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Speaker 3: talking about exactly what you're talking about, Like there's a

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Speaker 3: fundamental change that has to happen, and it's a matter

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Speaker 3: of how you do it, you know. And what's wild

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Speaker 3: is people, you know, even a public option in terms

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Speaker 3: of just saying like okay, you can have free but

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Speaker 3: to be able to you can upgrade and have like

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Speaker 3: your own personal, private insurance like they do in the

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Speaker 3: UK or something. You know, it's not that crazy to

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Speaker 3: think about in terms of the GDP, in terms of

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Speaker 3: how much we spend on defense spending. It's there's a

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Speaker 3: lot that could go into it that I think people

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Speaker 3: don't even Like, you wouldn't even notice if you took

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Speaker 3: two percent of the defense budget and put that towards

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Speaker 3: health care, you would even wouldn't notice, You wouldn't care.

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Speaker 2: And you said the perfect thing there, because.

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Speaker 1: When people make the argument because it is such a

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Speaker 1: polarized because it is created polarized, Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: Either one or the other.

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Speaker 1: Whenever they argue, yeah, it's so you want to remove

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Speaker 1: the defense budget.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why we are superior.

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Speaker 2: And then like it's either you have to be safe

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Speaker 2: or you won't be Yes.

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Speaker 1: When you can do one point three point seven percent,

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Speaker 1: four points and it would change so many lives everything.

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Speaker 1: But I think the problem, you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: problems with the version of the country that we're in

476
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Speaker 1: now is there's no room for evolution. It must be

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Speaker 1: a revolution or nothing at all. Yeah, because evolving takes time,

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Speaker 1: and time doesn't allow a politician to show that that

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Speaker 1: they've created the growth because there is such a slow

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Speaker 1: moving thing. If they can't show it, they're not going

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Speaker 1: to get reelected. And the only job is to get

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Speaker 1: re elected.

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Speaker 2: And when you're when.

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Speaker 3: You're a House representative getting re elected every two years,

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Speaker 3: you're calling fundraisers every day you're sitting there. You know,

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Speaker 3: basically every six months you have a referendum on yourself.

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Speaker 3: It's like you have to show progress in some form

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Speaker 3: or another or else. It's yeah, anyway, I could go

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Speaker 3: off about the content.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, And I don't. And I think six

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Speaker 1: years is a long time to be in. The only

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Speaker 1: good thing about six years with the Senator is you

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Speaker 1: can actually have something develop a little slower.

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Speaker 3: You can take your time, you can do it. But

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Speaker 3: I think there's a good middle ground. I think there

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Speaker 3: should be age limits.

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Speaker 1: You know, for sure, we could we could talk about

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Speaker 1: my problem with the age. Let's do that for a second.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize you're a super bright guy. I figured

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Speaker 1: you were because listening to your lyrics, I got lot

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Speaker 1: I've got lots of music stuff you're talking about. But

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Speaker 1: the age thing, to me is wild, because if we're

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Speaker 1: going to have one on the underside you just naturally

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Speaker 1: should have one on the older side. Yeah, let's say

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Speaker 1: you can't be presidents with thirty five. Okay, well let's

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Speaker 1: cap it out at seventy five. Whatever the number is.

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Speaker 1: Let's just make it. Oh yeah, just do it, because

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Speaker 1: we're as a voting public stupid, oh beyond. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not even talking about just want tolected official like you're

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Speaker 1: seeing now them float just famous people's names for House,

511
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Speaker 1: for Senate, just to see how they poll, just because

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Speaker 1: they're famous, and if they poll enough, they run them

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Speaker 1: and win with no understanding or background in anything that

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Speaker 1: would determine if they make a quality decision with their job.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: And also I think, you know, in an attention economy,

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Speaker 3: with yeah, celebrity culture being what it is, I think

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Speaker 3: you have really bright people who are I think in

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Speaker 3: office right now. But I also think you have really

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Speaker 3: it's just kind of people who have found their lane

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Speaker 3: in terms of saying like this is my chance to

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Speaker 3: be I think, obviously, you drink from the cup of power,

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Speaker 3: you're obviously going to be intoxicated. But I also think

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Speaker 3: that you know what a lot of people don't realize

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Speaker 3: about a lot of political types. And I know this

526
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Speaker 3: because my wife, my late wife, grew up in DC.

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Speaker 3: She was in a high school with a lot of

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Speaker 3: people who are now either in politics or on you know, TV,

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Speaker 3: or you know, it's just you know, that Washington kind of.

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Speaker 2: Area is very that And she was like, you don't understand.

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Speaker 3: These These were all theater nerds who wanted to be

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Speaker 3: stars and they realized that this was their ticket in

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Speaker 3: And looking now, you say like, oh, that makes so

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Speaker 3: much sense to me, because if you're somebody like me

535
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Speaker 3: who enjoys being you know, the center of attention whatever.

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Speaker 3: I'm an extrovert, you can call it.

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Speaker 2: What you want.

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Speaker 3: I like, I've found my lane music. I happened to have,

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Speaker 3: you know, a modicum of talent that allowed.

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Speaker 2: Me to do that.

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Speaker 3: I love social media stuff, so I have a social

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Speaker 3: media page as that do well. But if you're a

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Speaker 3: guy who's just a failed theater kid, but all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden you get attention by saying these incendiary things

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Speaker 3: or figuring out like oh like if I run for

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Speaker 3: office and I, you know, say these things, I'll get

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Speaker 3: elected and then I suddenly have attention.

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Speaker 2: I get to be on TV and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Like I get why that would be oh, you're saying like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I found it. You start to believe your own hype,

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Speaker 3: You start to understand how it works, and you start

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Speaker 3: to say like, oh, I I found my lane that

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Speaker 3: I've always wanted since I was younger, and especially with

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Speaker 3: you know, again, the media types are who are in

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Speaker 3: the political scene, and a lot of the right wings

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Speaker 3: sort of.

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Speaker 2: And left me too, Like it's this idea of.

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Speaker 3: Being sort of this this unrealized dream for attention inside

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Speaker 3: of sort of being the star in a way, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I think for them to find their lane in

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Speaker 3: politics or in media, whatever it is, it's really done

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Speaker 3: us a dis service as just the regular Americans, because

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Speaker 3: now we're sitting here having to listen to these people

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Speaker 3: who are so excited to be getting attention.

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Speaker 2: They realize like, oh, there's a cycle. I do it too.

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Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, when I find something that works

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Speaker 3: on TikTok. If I tell a music story in a

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Speaker 3: certain way and it works and people respond to it,

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Speaker 3: like I'm going to do more like that, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I think what they've found here is is is

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Speaker 3: just this, yeah, this ability to realize this unrealized dream

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Speaker 3: that they've had since they're you know whatever in high

573
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Speaker 3: school and they are these nerdy theater kids saying like

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Speaker 3: I wanted to be a star, I wasn't able to

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Speaker 3: in this lane, but this is my chance to be

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Speaker 3: in front of people, to be in front of a camera,

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Speaker 3: and in a way that I think is like you

578
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Speaker 3: were saying, it's just if you're a politician and you

579
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Speaker 3: don't really care about the people that you're representing your constituents,

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Speaker 3: what incentive do you have at this point to care

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Speaker 3: about them? You know you don't really it's just as

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Speaker 3: long as you get enough attention, as long as you

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Speaker 3: make you know, you raise enough money, and as long

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Speaker 3: as you're in a safe district you're gonna be re elected.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 3: So there's very few like checks in terms of somebody's

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Speaker 3: attention being for the right reason. It's okay to like attention,

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Speaker 3: but I think if you're going into office saying like

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Speaker 3: you were saying, I just got to get re elected

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Speaker 3: every two years, they're never going to have any sort

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Speaker 3: of incentive to think about people, to think about, like

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Speaker 3: how do I change things to make their lives better.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to change anything. They want to keep

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Speaker 3: it the way it is you know.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our

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Speaker 5: sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 1: Whenever I talk about running for office, which you should,

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Speaker 1: by the way, well there's a whole story to that,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's that's how to be a rock star

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Speaker 1: now totally. That's this version of you want to be

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Speaker 1: a rock star, go run for office, and the higher

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Speaker 1: you go, the bigger the arena is. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: you want you want to be a state senator? Cool,

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Speaker 1: you're playing a little small Yeah, yeah, you want to

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Speaker 1: be a.

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Speaker 2: In the Senate. It's freaking Madison square guard is. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's remarkable how similar it is to sort of the the.

608
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Speaker 2: You know, everything kind of funnels down until it.

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Speaker 3: Gets the big stars up top, the Taylor Swift's, the weekends,

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Speaker 3: the whoever, the adherance and to and in politics too,

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Speaker 3: it's yeah, everything kind of funnels up. You're a local hero,

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Speaker 3: you're suddenly a state hero. You're suddenly like you know,

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Speaker 3: it's the.

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Speaker 1: Same yeah at the beginning, you gathering grassroots support. So

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Speaker 1: I had a flirtation with running for governor of Arkansas

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Speaker 1: a few years ago, and the reason was, like I care,

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Speaker 1: but I don't need the adulation because I get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you already have your own line and not

619
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Speaker 2: like that. I understand it, like I get the adulation.

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Speaker 1: Like if I want to go and tour doing stand up,

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Speaker 1: I can tell it at theater relatively easy. I can

622
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Speaker 1: do my radio show for millions of people. I have

623
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Speaker 1: podcasts that do well, so I can get that. So

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Speaker 1: I don't need that to do that job totally. And

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Speaker 1: that is what a lot of that job is. And

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Speaker 1: so that part it wasn't.

627
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Speaker 2: A turn off.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't need to leave this to get that.

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Speaker 1: And I find that so many people were. That was

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Speaker 1: a big reason they were pursuing it, which is what them. Yeah, yeah,

631
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Speaker 1: and so I had they're basically headhunter companies that when

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Speaker 1: they find somebody that they think would resonate, they approached

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Speaker 1: them and say, would you consider running for a B or.

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Speaker 2: C state Senate Senate House? For me, it was a governor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they said, would you consider running for governor because

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Speaker 1: you have a story that a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: your state relate to. Grew up, I didn't have a dad,

638
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Speaker 1: mom was a drug addict, died in their forties. Yeah,

639
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Speaker 1: like bootstrapped it whatever that means, And you've kept the

640
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Speaker 1: same consistent message.

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Speaker 2: And I don't have any skeletons, Like I've written full books.

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Speaker 1: My life's all out there, anything out there, any skeletons

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Speaker 1: a public skeleton, And so it felt good to be

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Speaker 1: asked that, Like I'm not gonna lie, Like there's there's

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Speaker 1: a sense to somebody going I like you, like there's

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Speaker 1: a there's a real positive.

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Speaker 2: Feeling with them, and so I would My.

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Speaker 1: Just general curiosity was what do you do, like except

649
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Speaker 1: for going out and talking in these campaigns? Like what

650
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Speaker 1: do you do all day as you're running? Like, oh,

651
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Speaker 1: you've get on the phone. You just asked for money

652
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Speaker 1: all the time all the time. I was like, wait,

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Speaker 1: so like on mondays, No, Yeah, it's like every free

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Speaker 1: minute you have, you're calling, calling, And I'm like, okay,

655
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Speaker 1: so I'm going asking for money for all these people. Well,

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Speaker 1: they're giving me this money, and I know what the

657
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Speaker 1: answer is probably going to be, but I'm like, what,

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Speaker 1: So they're giving me.

659
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Speaker 2: This money, So what what do we do I owe them?

660
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Speaker 3: Oh?

661
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, depending on how much they give you. Yeah.

662
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's basically a ledger and you keep the ledger

663
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 3: and these people and remind you.

664
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so, and I knew, I knew that, we

665
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: knew that, we all know that, but until you're actually

666
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: told that by it is it is remarkable, completely different.

667
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: I have friends who, you.

668
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: Know, our our campaign managers for for a lot of

669
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Speaker 3: great candidates across country from college. You know, a couple

670
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: of my good friends who I was in an acapella

671
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: group with. They run these amazing candidates. But it's it's

672
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: it's crazy talking to them about it, because they'll say

673
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: the exact same thing. They'll say, ninety percent of the

674
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: candidate's time is money, five percent of it is talking

675
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 3: directly to the constituents or whatever, making speeches and that

676
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 3: kind of thing, and then five percent of it is

677
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: meeting with donors, you know, and you sit there and

678
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: you which is more asking for money exactly essentially is

679
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 3: a different way. Yeah, and he was saying that for him, obviously,

680
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: like the benefits out weigh because he gets to, you know,

681
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 3: he's running people for.

682
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: The right reasons.

683
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: He's actually believes in these candidates that he's talking to

684
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: and that he's working for. But in the end, you know,

685
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: if you're someone like you who's got a lot going on,

686
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: and you're sitting there saying, like, why would I give

687
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: up all the rest of this exactly in order to

688
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: ask people for money all day? You know, And that

689
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: just seems again, the incentives for people running for office

690
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: now are so skewed from what they were even thirty

691
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: years ago, even twenty years ago before the Internet.

692
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: It's really a thing.

693
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: It's such a different idea of what it takes to

694
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 3: be a politician now that it takes people like you,

695
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 3: who would probably be a great candidate, you know, who

696
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: probably would do more for the people of Arkansas than

697
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: Sarah Huckabe Sanders is doing right now, if you think about, yeah,

698
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: how many people like you have decided no way, I'm

699
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: never going to do that, Like that makes no sense

700
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: because of decisions like Citizens United, because of things like

701
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: campaing finance law on the state level, like like, just

702
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: think about how many amazing people are no longer running

703
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: for office and never did in the first place, and

704
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: how many great people who are probably the more you know,

705
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: the people who are in it for the right reasons now,

706
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: how many of those people are not quitting because, yeah,

707
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 3: all this money that's flowing in in a way that

708
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: like you said, isn't just money flowing in for the

709
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: sake of money. This is stuff that's obviously like going

710
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: to have a return when they it's into there intentional.

711
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: But why wouldn't you do that as a company, you know,

712
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: Like that's what I'm saying.

713
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Speaker 1: I'm not even hating on the intentional money. But if

714
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: I had the money and I had an intent, yeah,

715
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 1: well it makes sense. The way the system set up now,

716
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: it's like you can't necessarily fault somebody from being like, yeah,

717
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: like I can, I can. I can buy my way

718
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: into whatever decision I need to buy my way into.

719
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: And the K Street lobbying stuff in DC that my

720
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: friends work for, like, don't even get me started on that,

721
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: because that alone is as corrupt as it gets without

722
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: being officially corrupt. Yeah, yeah, okay, point because I'm so

723
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: I rarely get to talk about this with my mother,

724
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: who I think appreciates it. I think it's extremely hard

725
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: to be sensible and caring and be a politician because

726
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: when sensibility is the enemy because it doesn't get clicks

727
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: or views or cares. Yeah, and in real life and

728
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: in homes, it gets cares because it actually affects people.

729
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: But sensibility is the enemy of attention. Secondly, whenever I

730
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: was in my four month session of being a pro

731
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: to would you want to do this? Yeah? And to

732
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: be honest, the reason they approached me was Sarah Huckabee

733
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: Sanders was running. In Their message to me was we

734
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: need a quote rock start to run against a rock

735
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: star because she's only famous, she's never been in political office.

736
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 2: They're like, we need somebody she was literally the press secretary.

737
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah she was, here's a media person.

738
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Speaker 6: Like yeah, yeah.

739
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 2: She was like, we need somebody that can match that.

740
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Speaker 1: And so the difference was, like my career was crushing

741
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: at the time, and so I said, okay, I said

742
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: what's important to you? And I said two things I

743
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: said with me growing up like I did, there is

744
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: a cycle. There's a reason that poor people can't get

745
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: out of the cycle because they can't eat. And if

746
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: you can't eat, you can't think. And if you can't think,

747
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: you can't get out. And that's the most basic. If

748
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: you don't have food, nothing else matters. So it's food

749
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: insecurity and it's education that those are the only two

750
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Speaker 1: ways to break the cycle because everything else can come

751
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: in and that's all great. Help and that's that's some

752
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: salt and pepper on top, but that's not the meal.

753
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. And so to the entre has to

754
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: be if you're going to fix things, is you have

755
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: got to have food. Yeah.

756
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: There were so many people where I come from, even

757
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: myself in parts of my life.

758
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: When I didn't have three meals a day.

759
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Speaker 1: And if you don't have that, nothing else matters because

760
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: you can't focus on anything else. So I said, it's

761
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: food and security, and it's education. And that's two things

762
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: that aren't going to be a revolution. That's evolutionary type

763
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: stuff that's going to take a while. Yes, And they said,

764
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: we need you to think of more dynamic reasons that

765
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Speaker 1: you want to run.

766
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: Is that because you think that they wanted something catchy in.

767
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: The moment exactly what it was there needed to be

768
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: that firework that went off everybody look at this.

769
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why you vote for this.

770
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: Guy, because if I'm going, man, if people don't eat,

771
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: they can't not it's not sexy. Yeah, And inevitably that's

772
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: what turned me off to it, because the things that

773
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: I cared about, that I think most people care about

774
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: aren't the things that get you elected. And I feel

775
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: like in the private sector, I can actually do more

776
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: one hundred percent then at area.

777
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah.

778
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: And if you think about you know, someone like Second

779
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: Harvest here in Nashville, who do amazing work, who literally

780
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 3: are are saving lives. It's like, I rarely get mad,

781
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: but when I saw that they were losing funding for

782
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: food banks because of dog or whatever you want to say,

783
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: was cutting it off, I I for the one of

784
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: the few. I mean I get mad a lot, don't

785
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: get me wrong, but way too much. It was it

786
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: was physically because I've done I've done stuff for them.

787
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: I've done fundraising stuff like it's it's not much, but

788
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: you know, like like I do what I can and

789
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: volunteered and and they've been just they've done again amazing

790
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: work in Middle Tennessee. And and to see to see

791
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: people saying that that was oh inefficient spending what I

792
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: gonna call it, it just made me.

793
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: You know, It's one of those things where.

794
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: You just get so mad because you're like, you're so

795
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: out of touch with what really would change lives in

796
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: a way that you're talking about, like actually make people's

797
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: lives in apparently better on a real visceral level. It's like, Oh,

798
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: you're so out of touch you don't even realize, like

799
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: the most basic of it.

800
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're so out of touch. You don't know. People

801
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: are hungry.

802
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, they just can't get fat them.

803
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: Ever been hungry? They might.

804
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: People cannot be hungry, Yeah, they really can't. And it's

805
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: like kids in school lunches. It's the same thing. It's like,

806
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: my kid always has a lunch. Why can't they just

807
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: have a lunch? It's they just do not understand.

808
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: It comes down to empathy at that point, you're saying,

809
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: you know, a lack of empathy and the ability to

810
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: reason with looking from somebody else's respective, I think is

811
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 3: a huge problem on certain levels. But I think especially

812
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: on the political level, because so many of those politicians

813
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: are not people like you who grew up poor, who

814
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: grew up with food and security, or grew up with

815
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: parents who didn't know how they're going to provide.

816
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 2: For their kids. It's unbelievable how out of touch they are,

817
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: you know.

818
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: And even someone like me who didn't grow up poor,

819
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: who had a family, who whose dad was a doctor,

820
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: room was always able to put food on the table,

821
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 3: Like I know, people in my daily life that weren't

822
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: able to do it, or at the very least you

823
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: can look from someone's perspective and say like, oh my god,

824
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 3: like I'm going to try to imagine what that would

825
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: be like that'd be I can't even imagine it at

826
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: this point, you know. And so I just think that

827
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: there's this huge disconnect. And again, I wish someone like

828
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: you would have run. I wish some people more people

829
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: like you would run. But again, the incentives are set

830
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: up so that a the attention economy be the way

831
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: that money's taken over politics. I just don't think there's

832
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: any way for your average person, even who's wealthy and

833
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: well off and who could fund their own campaign whatever,

834
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: who's in it for the right reasons, would want to

835
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: go do it. Like why on earth would you want

836
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 3: to give up everything that you've done to go fight

837
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: this battle for something that you don't necessarily believe.

838
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: You know.

839
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: It's like you can do way more on your own

840
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: in the private sector or whatever you want to say,

841
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: like through charity stuff for anything. But it's just such

842
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 3: a shame. It really does make me. It just and

843
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: if you talk to anybody who works in Washington, a

844
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: lot of times they'll say, like, you know, it just

845
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: is the way it is, and that's what sucks.

846
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way it is is what I agree. And

847
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: I got Piston only cut PBS funding.

848
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 3: Oh dude, I I I could. Again, it's somebody who's

849
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: never not had cable WHO. That's the only channel they

850
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: got to grow up on WHO on Saturday mornings. That

851
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: was what we watched, you know, like that was that

852
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: was it? And and I guess when you're yeah, yeah,

853
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: anyway I could, I could talk about it.

854
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 6: That's a whole other podcast. The Bobby Cast will be

855
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 6: right back. This is the Bobby Cast.

856
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Speaker 1: So I'm a parachute fan. Yeah, so to me, you're

857
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: not new in my music world. Yeah, I was listening

858
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: since I knew you were coming in. I spent a

859
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: little more time with the new record, yeah, which I

860
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: call because I know no titles, meaning the Red One

861
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: because it's red.

862
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah that's fine, and everything's Weezer to me. Yeah,

863
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: blue album, but everything the same way. Yeah, so the

864
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: Red One.

865
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: That is why I chose the primary colors because of Weezer.

866
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: Really yeah yeah, we have the singles different colors exactly. Yeah,

867
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: But it was like I just needed I like distinct

868
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: sort of a color thing.

869
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Weezer.

870
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, cool.

871
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: I know my first concert ever was my first concert

872
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: I went to on my own was Weezer in Philadelphia

873
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 3: at TLA.

874
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm massive Weezer guy. That's why were my glasses like this?

875
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: I love that?

876
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

877
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. That Blue album was one of the first albums

878
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: I ever like. No Skips album.

879
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: No Doubt was the first album I ever bought blue

880
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: albums on very shortly thereafter that Tragic Kingdom. Tragic Kingdom

881
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: was the first album at the first time. Yeahh so,

882
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: and they were like northern you know, they were southern California.

883
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: They were just California, like La No Doubt and Cake,

884
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: you know all those kind of dude.

885
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm the thing about Cake, I'm a massive Cake fan.

886
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: And to see him sing now, have you seen him lately? No,

887
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: it looks like Santa Claus. Really, it's crazy, sounds the same.

888
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: But the weird thing about and because it's not happening

889
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: with us, but it's happening.

890
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: With other people.

891
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: They're getting older. Yeah, with us, we're lucky. We haven't

892
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: gotten a day older in twenty years.

893
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: I said, I'll tell myself. But everybody's getting older.

894
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: I was spending some time listen to the new record

895
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: they can I have for a bit. I and I know,

896
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: and we were talking about before he came in, like

897
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: I understand what the record's about. Yeah, and I won't

898
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: call it a concept album, but definitely a record for

899
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: a reason.

900
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, i'd say intention of that fair. Yeah, yeah,

901
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: for sure. Your wife's voicemailing it. Oh that you got me.

902
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: Thank you man, I I mean so she So I

903
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: met my wife when I was in college and she

904
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: was you know, I think she was eighteen nineteen at

905
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 3: the time I was twenty one, and my favorite thing

906
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: was just talking to her, like listening to her. I

907
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: loved her voice. I love the way it sounded. And

908
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: that voicemail I found about three months after she passed away.

909
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: So she passed away November twenty twenty two, and I

910
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: didn't even you know, I was in such a catatonic

911
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: state after that that I didn't really think about like

912
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: preserving stuff or you know, like, oh, I need to

913
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: like wrap up her memories in a bow and like

914
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: make sure.

915
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: That I have them for future use.

916
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 3: But that voicemail was something that I stumbled on about

917
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: three months after she passed away in my like deleted folder.

918
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: You know or whatever.

919
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: Like it was like it was hidden in some way

920
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: or I had saved it in a voice note or

921
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: something like that.

922
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: I don't exactly remember.

923
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: And I found it and I played it and I

924
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 3: just remember listening to it.

925
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: Over and over again, like crying.

926
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: It was just it was, and so I knew I

927
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: wanted to preserve it. It felt like a very like

928
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 3: important little time capsule of the time before she passed.

929
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 3: And it was something that I didn't you know, I

930
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: wasn't going into it being like I'm gonna make everybody

931
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: cry with this voicemail because I didn't think anybody, you know,

932
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: I thought it'd be like, oh, was a nice gesture.

933
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: But I had a bunch of people, yes, say the

934
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: same thing.

935
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: It was like that hearing her voice just sort of

936
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: talking about nothing was sort of the.

937
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: It humanized it more than an already extremely human human

938
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: story that I was listening to.

939
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, and.

940
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: I think I think that's probably part of why I

941
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 3: did it, too, is just sort of like wanting people

942
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: to know Courtney on every level, you know, not just

943
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 3: her poetry, which is, you know, the book that's coming out,

944
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: or her talking about you know, reading her poetry, or

945
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 3: the songs that I'm singing about her. But yeah, just

946
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 3: kind of her and I on a daily level of

947
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 3: just like loving to get a.

948
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: Phone call from her about something she texted me.

949
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: You know, it just seems Yeah, it seemed like the

950
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 3: level of the story that I got to see every

951
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: day that about her and how wonderful it was to

952
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: get to live with her and be married to her

953
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. Talk about the book, Yeah, so

954
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: she was So Courtney was the best poet. So Courtney

955
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: was a poetry a professional poet, I guess you could

956
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 3: call it. She wrote books, and she taught at Belmont

957
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 3: and before that she taught at Lipscomb and she was

958
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: a Stegner Fellow out at Stanford University, which is basically

959
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: like Winnie A Grammy.

960
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: She was much bigger in the poetry world.

961
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: So she started writing poetry when we were in college

962
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: at the University Virginia. And then yeah, she went to

963
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: Columbia and got her MFA. Wrote poetry in New York

964
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: City for forever, and then when we were married, she

965
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: wrote it as well. And she put out one book

966
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 3: when she was in right after grad school. But the

967
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: thing about poetry is such a long tail career, unlike music,

968
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: where you kind of the first ten years and you're

969
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: going and then you're kind of as you get older.

970
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: With poetry it's the opposite. It's you slowly build up

971
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 3: your work and then as you get older, you usually

972
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: get more famous and you get more recognition.

973
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: And for her, she never got that chance.

974
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 3: So this book was really my way of basically trying

975
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: to help make her dream of being a poet that

976
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: has a legacy and that you know, I just wanted

977
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 3: people to remember her for what she loved doing.

978
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: Which was writing poetry.

979
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 3: And this book was basically like all her poems that

980
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 3: I had found after she passed away. I digitized them all,

981
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: found the stuff on her computer and then sent it

982
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: off to a couple of friends of hers who are

983
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: professional poets as well and teach at USC and they

984
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: put together this book and they basically said, like, this

985
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: is what we think it should be, and we took

986
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 3: it to a couple presses and found a great publisher

987
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 3: and it really is.

988
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's poetry.

989
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: I think there are two types of poetry, this academic poetry,

990
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: which is really opaque, hard to understand, what you and

991
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: I probably think of when we think of snobby poetry.

992
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: Then there's Instagram poetry, which I'm sure you've seen, is like,

993
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: you know, very accessible, very simple, very easy to grasp

994
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: very quickly. And I think there's obviously like poetry goes

995
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 3: both ways. I think it's a lot of great stuff

996
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 3: with both those. Courtney wanted to be and we always

997
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 3: talked about this the middle ground between like people who

998
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: loved instagram poetry but didn't know how to get into

999
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: the next phase of more serious poetry. She was right

1000
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: there in the middle of that's She had such layered

1001
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 3: poetry that it was like, you can jump in on

1002
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 3: the surface level here, and the more you.

1003
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: Read this, the more you'll understand.

1004
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: It was respected by academics, but it was also super

1005
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: accessible to people like me who don't read poetry, who

1006
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: don't like poetry, who I frankly like can't stand it,

1007
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 3: but her stuff, it's like, oh, this is making me

1008
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 3: feel something.

1009
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1010
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: Exactly why yet, but the more I read it, the

1011
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: more I can figure out how she did things, and

1012
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: the more layers and the more meaning that come behind it.

1013
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: And she was just truly, like I mean it, like

1014
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: the best poet that I knew, and I think a

1015
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: lot of her friends would, you know, especially after she

1016
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: passed away. I didn't know her reputation amongst poets her age,

1017
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: but it was kind of like, yeah, she was the

1018
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 3: best of us.

1019
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: You know.

1020
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: What did she write about and why did she write

1021
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: about it?

1022
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: She wrote about a lot about being a woman, a

1023
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: lot about girlhood and what that comes with, so you know,

1024
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: being a sister.

1025
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: She was one of four girls in her family.

1026
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 3: She grew up Catholic, so it was a lot about

1027
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: religion and wrestling with sort of what that means and

1028
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 3: a society that doesn't necessarily, you know, believe in those

1029
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: tenets in a way that I think, you know, she

1030
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: just struggled with empathy, with sympathy, with understanding what that

1031
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 3: you know, and how that rubs up against religion sometimes.

1032
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: She also just yeah, wrote about what it means to

1033
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: be a woman, wrote about it what it means to

1034
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: be a daughter, And for her, I think that was

1035
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: really important because growing up that informed her life a lot.

1036
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: She was homeschooled, she was you know, she was a ballerina,

1037
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: so she was just always around her sisters who were

1038
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 3: one was a professional ballerina. She could have gone professional,

1039
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 3: but she hurt her leg. Like all they did was

1040
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: hang out with each other. So it was a lot

1041
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: of just wrestling with what family means, what religion means,

1042
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 3: what being in a big city like New York City

1043
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: meant for her because that was the first time she

1044
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: lived in a place that was super diverse and super exciting,

1045
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: and you know, for her, it was just such a

1046
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: unmagical place that for a lot of her poems also

1047
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 3: revolved around that. So it was just a lot of

1048
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: wrestling with, yeah, what it means to be a woman

1049
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: in today's society and society including religion and places like.

1050
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: New York City. So what's the status of the book?

1051
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: So the book is out now, we're in the middle

1052
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: of promoting it right now, and it's just awesome. It's

1053
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: fun to see the reception it's getting and people kind

1054
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: of discovering our poems on TikTok and you know, like

1055
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: through interviews and all that stuff.

1056
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: It's great to see them discovering what I've already known.

1057
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

1058
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby cast.

1059
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: Whenever I wrote my first book, I had to write

1060
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of stories that made me uncomfortable when I

1061
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: wrote them because it brought up a lot of Yeah,

1062
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: I can imagine difficult things, right, and then I would

1063
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: talk about them and I almost had to separate myself

1064
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: from the reality of it.

1065
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, talking about Oh yeah, it's like disassociated almost. Yeah,

1066
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: would have to.

1067
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about that when hour I was

1068
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: listening to your music. Do you play these songs?

1069
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: Not yet? Okay? That was my question, because there's it.

1070
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: Both are going to hit like there were there were

1071
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: be times where I was talking about something I would cry,

1072
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: and there will be times where it was like I

1073
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: want to and I hope this doesn't sound bad. I

1074
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: want this performance to be so good that it affects

1075
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 1: the people.

1076
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: But it's a performance. But I have to turn this on. Yes,

1077
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: it has to.

1078
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: Turn into performance mode for the message that I'm trying

1079
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: to get.

1080
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 3: It sounds callous on it? Does it sounds like you're

1081
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: like not emotional. It's like no, no, no, I just have to.

1082
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: I have to get through it, yes, to to be

1083
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: able to emote. Yeah, the message I won't received. Yes,

1084
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: it's otherwise I'm a bumbling, mombling mess.

1085
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you really have to.

1086
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: So the first time I played a song in front

1087
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: of people was I was doing an interview, and you know,

1088
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 3: the office came in to watch, like you know, a

1089
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: lot of radio stations do this is with the newspaper.

1090
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 3: But I came in and I thought I was just

1091
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: playing to the camera like I do at home in

1092
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: front of for TikTok, and twenty people probably came in

1093
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: to watch. And I had never played these songs for anybody,

1094
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: and I was thrown completely thrown off about how much

1095
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: it threw me off. You know, I was like, what, Like,

1096
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: I've never had that sort of reaction singing songs. It

1097
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 3: made me realize, Oh, when I'm playing shows, I need

1098
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: to be prepared. I need to be ready, because it's

1099
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: a different ballgame when it's these kind of songs where

1100
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 3: you're saying, you know. I just didn't realize how emotional

1101
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: I was going to get, or or how much it

1102
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 3: would throw me off. Afterward, I think too, I had

1103
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: a really funky day after that because it was, oh, man, these.

1104
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: Songs mean a lot more to me in the moment.

1105
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: And I just had to figure out how to separate

1106
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: myself from that or be able to be prepared for

1107
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 3: that and be like ready for the reaction I'm going

1108
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: to have singing them and seeing people's reaction to it too,

1109
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: because I think that was also another thing was I'd

1110
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: never played them for people and had them you know,

1111
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 3: they were crying, and I was like, oh my gosh,

1112
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 3: like I've never had anybody do that at a show

1113
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 3: of ours, even Parachute, you know, we had sad songs, but.

1114
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: Not like that. So what about recording them?

1115
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: That was different though, because I was you know, I

1116
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: did it at my home studio, like everybody here in Nashville,

1117
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: Tennessee has a home studio, and I spent you know,

1118
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: a year basically on my own recording them. And I

1119
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 3: had friends come in and play some stuff if I

1120
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 3: needed to help playing stuff or singing or whatever.

1121
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: But for the most part, it was just me.

1122
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: And it was really such a cathartic process that I

1123
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: wasn't sitting there thinking it was emotional, for sure, but

1124
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: it was emotional in an internal way.

1125
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 2: That was so.

1126
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't think that I was somebody who

1127
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: processed stuff through writing songs. I thought that was so

1128
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: corny when people would say that, but here I am

1129
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 3: definitely That's how I work. So working especially on the

1130
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: lyrics was a really I almost dreaded it because I

1131
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: knew what I was gonna have to dive into. But

1132
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 3: after you finish it, it's like, oh, I have organized

1133
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: thoughts now, like I can.

1134
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 2: I knew I could.

1135
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: Figure out what I was feeling a lot better through

1136
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: the lyrics and through the structure of a song than

1137
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 3: I could just sort of sitting around avoiding thinking about

1138
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: it all.

1139
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: So it actually really helped.

1140
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: And I also think that recording them by myself, it

1141
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: just felt like something I had to do, which again

1142
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: I've never really had before in my musical career where

1143
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: it was this sort of drive to.

1144
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: Be like this has to be finished.

1145
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: I have to do these songs, and I just I

1146
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 3: don't care if they come out or not, you know,

1147
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: in the big scene of things. I didn't necessarily think

1148
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 3: they would see the light of day because I didn't

1149
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: really have a platform and Parishute was done, and yeah,

1150
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: I really just thought like, like it was just weird.

1151
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 3: It was a weird feeling of like I just have

1152
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 3: to do this. I'm not thinking about the end game

1153
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: with all this at this point.

1154
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: Is there a different relationship with the recorded versions with time?

1155
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I to me, it's a time capsule.

1156
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: And I think the weirdest thing putting them out is

1157
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 3: the delay people are hearing them now, especially on places

1158
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 3: like TikTok and stuff, where I'm getting comments and messages

1159
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: being like are you okay? Is everything? Like if you

1160
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: need someone to talk to these strangers who are so

1161
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: kind about it, but I have to remember, and I

1162
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: felt bad.

1163
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: I was almost like, no, I'm okay, Like what do

1164
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 2: you mean?

1165
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: And I'm realizing, like, oh, they're on a two year

1166
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: delay here, or a year and a half delay whatever

1167
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: it is from when I wrote that song and the

1168
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 3: way I was feeling then, they're feeling that now. I've

1169
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: moved to a pase in the next phase of my

1170
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: life and I'm in a different place emotionally than I was,

1171
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: so looking back and hearing those songs, I can remember

1172
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: where I was when I wrote it and what it

1173
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: felt like, but I'm in a totally different place. So

1174
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 3: it is a little bit of a dichotomy with those

1175
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 3: and especially with seeing people's reaction to it now. It

1176
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: kind of feels like like oh yeah. I have to

1177
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: remember that. I have to remember how I felt in

1178
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: that moment versus being like, what are you talking about? Like, no,

1179
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 3: those are just songs. They weren't just songs at that point.

1180
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 3: You know, those were really big moments for me to

1181
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: finish a song like that.

1182
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: Every time I finished.

1183
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: It, it felt like again, it felt like the next step

1184
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 3: in my grief journey.

1185
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: I guess you could call it. We were talking about

1186
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: before you came into the tour. You're doing yeah, and

1187
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: you're playing and reading poetry.

1188
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're gonna do Yeah, it's like a poetry

1189
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: book reading kind of thing.

1190
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: Explain the show. It's gonna be cool.

1191
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 3: It's gonna be so we have a you know, essentially,

1192
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: we're gonna play the new album, acoustic, play some old

1193
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 3: Parachute songs, but yeah, we're gonna have some special guests

1194
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 3: come and read some of Courtney's poems, and I'm going

1195
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: to talk about them in a way that the way

1196
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: I did talk through them in my own head when

1197
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 3: I read them, and just sort of like figuring out

1198
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 3: with the audience sort of Courtney's journey through poetry by

1199
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: way of these poems. So for her, you know, I

1200
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 3: want this to be a celebration of her and.

1201
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: Her life and our story.

1202
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: And again, like her poetry was such a big part

1203
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 3: of her life that it would feel weird just to

1204
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 3: do an acoustic version and just sort of sell the

1205
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: book or something. So, yeah, we have special guests coming

1206
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: to read the poems. Then we're gonna talk about the poems,

1207
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 3: but not talk about them in a weird way. It's

1208
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 3: coming from somebody who doesn't like poetry, so it's kind of, hey,

1209
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: this is what you should look out for when you

1210
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: hear this poem. And I think it'll be cool to

1211
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 3: sort of see her prim talk about how these poems work,

1212
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 3: and then more importantly, just like, yeah, celebrate her life

1213
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 3: in a way that I think she would have been

1214
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: really excited to do if she had been here.

1215
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: When we're publishing that book, you know, I was writing

1216
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: a story and it was you talking about dating somebody

1217
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: after your wife had died, and that just feel all

1218
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: of that feels awkward.

1219
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 3: It is, Yeah, and I think you know that we

1220
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: were talking about earlier. She lived in Canada, and I

1221
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: think I think it was really lucky for.

1222
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: Me to meet her at the time.

1223
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: I did you know after everything that happened, and she

1224
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: was such an amazing person to me during that time.

1225
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 3: To have kind of by your side, I think sometimes

1226
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: I'm not woo woo at all, but I do think

1227
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: the universe sometimes puts people in your path that you

1228
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 3: know are meant to be there. And it didn't work out,

1229
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: but the one, you know, the wonderful thing was just

1230
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: like having somebody who understood me being married at some

1231
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: point and the loss of that and also being excited

1232
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: about this new relationship, like, you know, being able to

1233
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: hold those two things in the same I had a

1234
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: hard time doing it. To be somebody who's in a

1235
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 3: relationship with somebody having to do that, that's even harder,

1236
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 3: and it was, Yeah, it feels like it should be

1237
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: more awkward, but I think when you have somebody who

1238
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 3: was so gracious and kind and understanding of the situation

1239
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: I was in, and also like you know what comes

1240
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: with that, the trauma and the reactions I had and

1241
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: that kind of thing, Like it was a real blessing

1242
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: to have somebody like that in your corner, especially making

1243
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 3: the album and being able to you know, finishing the album,

1244
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 3: especially when they're around it just it just felt felt

1245
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: really I still look back on I feel really lucky

1246
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 3: to have met them. And it was also a good

1247
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: learning experience for me, being like, Okay, there's there's still

1248
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 3: a lot you got, you know before the next relationship

1249
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 3: that I think I need to work on with myself

1250
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 3: and understanding there's a lot of stuff that comes with

1251
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: a loss like that.

1252
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 2: You know.

1253
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 3: It's just it was not something I expected or was

1254
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: looking for at all.

1255
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't like I was like, all right, I'm on

1256
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: the dating scene now.

1257
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: It really was a very fortuitous meeting of somebody and

1258
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 3: it just sort of fell into it where it was

1259
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: like this makes the most sense right now for me.

1260
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 2: How much of your life is music?

1261
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: Now?

1262
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: What else do you do?

1263
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's I'm like half and half between social

1264
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: media and music stuff, so with both, you know, so

1265
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 3: I have a social media page. Willie J went to

1266
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 3: three four, which is we call the Monday Music Club,

1267
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: which is basically just me telling rad music stories that

1268
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 3: you hear in the studio or kind of what people

1269
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: talk about when we're hanging out music to musician or

1270
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: you know, you go into a radio station, you hear

1271
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: somebody tell a cool story about somebody.

1272
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: Came in and then yeah, the other half is the

1273
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 2: music side.

1274
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 3: So it's it's really exciting that the social media bug

1275
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: kind of allows me to geek out about music still.

1276
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 3: So it's a really great way to and I get

1277
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 3: to work with cool brands and you know, it sounds

1278
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 3: so lame, but it is cool, like to get to

1279
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 3: to do stuff with with brands and make money from

1280
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: it and get to be get to make geeking out

1281
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: about music part of my job. And then the other

1282
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 3: half is getting to make music. So working with artists

1283
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: in town, film and TV stuff, and then.

1284
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: Obviously my own music as well. Can you give me

1285
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: a story a story? Yeah?

1286
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh dude, So there were okay, so there was

1287
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: a guitarist.

1288
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of the godmother of rock and roll? Na?

1289
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: My sister Rose out of Thorpe.

1290
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: She was the coolest music figure I've ever ever ever

1291
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 3: read about, ever heard about in my life.

1292
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: She was born in you know, she.

1293
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 3: Was born in the Jim Crow South, so she came

1294
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 3: up in the gospel community.

1295
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: So she was basically played guitar.

1296
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: She learned how to play guitar at six years old,

1297
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 3: and she was this little six year old prodigy. She

1298
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: would go around playing guitars in churches. Her mom was

1299
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 3: a singer. They eventually moved to Chicago start working at

1300
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: the jazz scene, and then finally she ends up. She

1301
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: married this preacher, divorced him because he was abused, like

1302
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: she was the coolest.

1303
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: Anyway, she moved to New York City.

1304
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 3: She starts cranking up her amp to ten, basically these

1305
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 3: two vamps that everyone was playing, but it was all

1306
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: jazz music at that point, these holidbody guitars. She was

1307
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: up on stage with the red SG which is a

1308
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 3: solid body guitar, so it sounds more distorted. And she

1309
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 3: would have these guitar battles at Apollo Theater where she

1310
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 3: would beat every single male guitar in the New York

1311
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: City area. And she would do it to entertain people

1312
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: because it was such a novelty act to have a

1313
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 3: woe up there ripping. And the way she would do

1314
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 3: it is she would crank the amp to ten to

1315
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 3: overdrive the tubes in the amp to give the first

1316
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: distorted sound and absolutely wail.

1317
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: And there's videos on.

1318
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 3: YouTube you can watch that are unbelievable of her absolutely shredding.

1319
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: She eventually falls a little bit out of favor. She

1320
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 3: was actually a lesbian, so she was in a relationship

1321
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 3: with a woman. Obviously you can't really be open about

1322
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 3: that kind of thing, but she was just a really

1323
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 3: interesting character. She was the first person to ever go

1324
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 3: number one on the secular charts with a gospel song.

1325
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: She eventually goes over to the UK to do a tour,

1326
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: kind of like a Hail Mary of sorts. She was

1327
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: sitting there on a train station playing a show because

1328
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 3: there weren't many venues in Manchester, UK that really could

1329
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: hold that many people, so other people on the other

1330
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 3: side of the train station.

1331
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: You can watch the show on YouTube.

1332
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 3: Her on the other side, she's playing guess who's in

1333
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 3: the audience the Rolling Stone and to this day those

1334
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 3: guys and the who, sorry a couple guys and who

1335
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: they say that sister was out of Tharp is one

1336
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: of their greatest influences of all time.

1337
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: So if you talk to who am I thinking of here,

1338
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: Mike Jagger, Keith Richard.

1339
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: Sorry, if you talk to Keith Richards, he'll still say

1340
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 3: Elvis Presley says, I ripped my vocal sound off.

1341
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 2: Sister was out of Tharp, Like everybody and their mother.

1342
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: Eric Clapton, The Birds, like guys who anybody who played

1343
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: electric guitar basically in the sixties and seventies, Paul McCartney,

1344
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: John Lennon, all those guys saw Sister was out of

1345
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: Tharp live at the Manchester train station and say like

1346
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: that directly influenced how they.

1347
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 2: Wanted to play blues and rock guitar. That's a great story.

1348
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: She's awesome, And that's all on Willie J Want two

1349
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: Day four Yeah, yeah.

1350
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, stuff like that.

1351
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: So it's it's very like short minute min and a

1352
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: half stories like that.

1353
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: What was the first video that hit hard then that

1354
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: made you think, oh, I can do this.

1355
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1356
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 3: So I initially did comedy things at the start of

1357
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: you know, I would just make fun of songs, and

1358
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 3: then a couple of those went viral, so I was like, okay,

1359
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 3: this is like building and then I did one about Toto.

1360
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: So they were Africa.

1361
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were session musicians in La and they played

1362
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 3: on in nineteen eighty one, they played on Thriller and

1363
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: then won the Grammy for Album of the Year for

1364
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: the album that a Toto for that Africa was on.

1365
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: So they had the best year in pop music history.

1366
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: I said and that was a video that like started

1367
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 3: going and it was like, oh, I can do this now,

1368
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: this is great.

1369
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: You know, this is really I really want to do.

1370
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: Do you ever get frustrated when you have one that

1371
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: you think, man, this is an aw story beyond and

1372
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: then it does eleven hundred views.

1373
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it pisses me off. Man, beyond it is?

1374
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: It is.

1375
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: I've gotten to the point now where it's kind of

1376
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 3: like the name of the game and you're like, maybe

1377
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 3: at another point you can repost it and it'll do fine.

1378
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 3: But it is funny things that I think will kill

1379
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: don't do anything, and then stuff that I'm like this

1380
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 3: isn't gonna do anything, all of a sudden go and

1381
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, okay, I'll take that. Yeah.

1382
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: We Last week I went down to Austin. I did

1383
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: a theatre with Lionel Richie.

1384
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's like. I was literally talking about it the

1385
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: other day with my mom. She was she saw an

1386
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 3: interview with him that she sent me about his he's

1387
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: putting out solo music, verse putting out music with a group,

1388
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 3: And it was so wise that I was just like like,

1389
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 3: literally calm me down.

1390
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:07,959
Speaker 2: That day, I was like, all right, this is great,

1391
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: but anyway.

1392
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, I loaded up like a really cool clip

1393
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: about him writing hello. Yeah, and I'll put up the

1394
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: most random like I'm talking about Benign.

1395
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1396
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: Nothing, And it's like eight hundred thousand, one point two million.

1397
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I put up this thing about Lionel

1398
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: writing hello, and it was just such a random which.

1399
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: To me is the coolest thing in the world. Yeah.

1400
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: And he's like, honestly with my producer coming in and

1401
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: going hello, and he said that, and he goes like,

1402
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: that's funny melody to write that. So he's telling the

1403
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: story of one of the most famous songs of all

1404
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: time And like, I did nothing.

1405
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 3: That I didn't know what you and I would die

1406
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: to here, oh my god, I could have.

1407
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, I wanted to talk to

1408
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: everybody who swipe past it somehow get it like a

1409
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: line into them, and like you don't know what you

1410
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: swipe past, Like trust me, only this, this is the

1411
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: music history that you're missing here exactly.

1412
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really have. And and the thing is.

1413
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 3: Like again, stuff that resonate with us as people who

1414
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 3: have been around musicians and stuff. Sometimes it doesn't work

1415
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: with you know, people who have no idea and they're

1416
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 3: just or it could just be like the opening sentence

1417
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 3: wasn't good enough for whatever it.

1418
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: Is, but yeah, or just the algorithm didn't want a

1419
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: generic white guy, yeah making it that day.

1420
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, for some of us, it's very uh.

1421
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the generic white guy, by the way, not Lionel.

1422
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: You're confused by the whole thing.

1423
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 2: It was me. I'm the generic white guy.

1424
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 3: Lionel can do anything at any time in a place,

1425
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: and I would watch it.

1426
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: So I you know.

1427
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: Was doing some social media videos and again one of

1428
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: my accounts.

1429
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: Is like the show. Yeah.

1430
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's super cool because in the past few months,

1431
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: Ringo Star has been over here.

1432
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1433
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: John Fogerty has been over here.

1434
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: We did Dolly, we did Lionel Richie, and I'm just like,

1435
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm gonna make a million dollars just from the.

1436
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: Clips, just from the cliffs YouTube shorts here.

1437
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: I call it, yes, let's go, and they do fine. Yeah,

1438
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you guys, you suck everybody. Everybody you suck.

1439
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: The greatest day of my life. Talking to Ringo Star

1440
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 3: would be just another day on the internet, you know.

1441
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: I was talking to John Mayer once he's one of

1442
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: my favorite all times. Yeah, like solo artists probably John

1443
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: John Mayer, ben Folds, like those are.

1444
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 3: Dude, me too, those are my two. Ben Folds is

1445
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 3: the reason I write songs. He's this and John Mayer

1446
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 3: is the reason I wanted to like officially, was like

1447
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 3: when I was fifteen in her Room for Squares, I

1448
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 3: was like, that's it, That's all I ever want to do.

1449
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: John Mayer was the first writer to me ever wrote

1450
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: as me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if that makes sense. No,

1451
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: that record changed my life. I was in the back.

1452
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: I remember where I was.

1453
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 3: I was in the back of my girlfriend in high school,

1454
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: fifteen years old, coming back from the lake. We had

1455
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 3: gone to the lake with her family for the day

1456
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 3: and her older sister was like, you got to hear

1457
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 3: this guy. She was down at Athens at University of

1458
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 3: Georgia and she played the Room for squares like initial

1459
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 3: room for squares before he you know, Unaware records or whatever,

1460
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 3: And same thing changed my life completely, Like that was it.

1461
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: That was that was game over.

1462
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah that and he says ben Folds is the reason

1463
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 3: he writes the way he does, which again the through

1464
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 3: line makes sense.

1465
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 1: So you know him and Clay from Zach Ground Band.

1466
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: They were the duo I know, which is crazy to me.

1467
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: So I was talking with John Eyra once and because

1468
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: we had a very brief relationship of being friends, we're

1469
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: not not friends anymore.

1470
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1471
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: But there was a season where if I was in

1472
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: la he'd be like, hey, yeah, I'll come by or

1473
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: you know. But he came by kind of a last

1474
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: minute thing. He came in in the morning in Nashville

1475
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: and I was doing my radio show and he was like, Hey,

1476
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: I want to come by, and I'm like cool. So

1477
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: he came in and the interview is up, but it

1478
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: was very last minute, which is fine by me because

1479
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan and I like John hard to

1480
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: talk to because.

1481
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: He's very cerebral, very cerebral.

1482
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: But I was like, hey, what, like what works? What

1483
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: doesn't work? Like what do you not like doing? He goes,

1484
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: you know what, what works the most that people resonate

1485
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: with is this stuff that I think doesn't matter. He

1486
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: was talking about waiting on the world to change. He

1487
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: was like, that song is just kind of like a

1488
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: down the middle throwaway, really, and he said that is

1489
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: the song that people like feel like speaks to them.

1490
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: He said, for something, this is his words.

1491
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: I'll paraphrase. First thing to move me. It's got to

1492
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: be new. I got to be pushing a boundary. He's like,

1493
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't at that boundary with you.

1494
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting, Like you're with.

1495
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: You in that boundary because but other people aren't with

1496
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: you at that boundary.

1497
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're catching up. Yeah, so it's you right in

1498
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: your most middle space.

1499
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: So funny, and I thought that was I still think

1500
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 1: about that because there are times where I do something

1501
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, for me, like this is awesome,

1502
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,439
Speaker 1: not that the quality of it's awesome, but like where

1503
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: I got and how I created it or how I felt.

1504
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 3: But everything every now and then, like for him, continuum,

1505
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 3: I think was him pushing the boundaries of what pop

1506
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 3: music and blues music could be together and finding it

1507
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 3: in the same equilibrium as the audience.

1508
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1509
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ven diagram of that, all three of those things, audience, blues, pop,

1510
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: all just were one circle.

1511
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: It was it worked out perfectly.

1512
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 3: And then there's times on the internet when you and

1513
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 3: I post a video whatever it is, and that the

1514
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 3: Ven diagram matches up perfectly.

1515
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: Of what interests us the story and the audience at

1516
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: that point. Yeah, but sometimes those circles like.

1517
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: Couldn't be hard from each other then literally the solar

1518
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: system exactly. Well, look, I'm a I'm a big fan,

1519
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: so it was super cool for you to come over.

1520
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: You still play the parachute stuff.

1521
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll be we'll be playing them at the

1522
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 3: shows and you do play like, Oh yeah, dude, I

1523
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 3: I love those songs.

1524
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: Man.

1525
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 3: Like, I'm not one of those people who we'll never

1526
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: get back together. We're not gonna be like those kind

1527
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 3: of emo bands now who are cash grabbing and running around,

1528
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: you know, which is great.

1529
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: I have more power to them. But we all have

1530
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: said the word never. Here's what I'm saying. We will.

1531
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna re release some vinyl, some records

1532
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: that never got to be on vinyl. I'm sure we.

1533
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 3: Will play a couple of reunion shows for fun, but

1534
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 3: we're not gonna get back in the scheme of like

1535
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 3: we're aware that, like we don't want to tour, Like

1536
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: none of us want a tour together.

1537
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 5: You know.

1538
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: Everybody has our own thing going, which is really cool,

1539
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 3: and it'd be fun to play together again.

1540
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: Like once or twice. But other than that, I don't.

1541
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 3: Think any of us have any desire to get back

1542
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 3: in the band and get on the road.

1543
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: Because there was a I don't know if you've heard

1544
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: of them, but there was a band called Hoody and

1545
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,479
Speaker 1: the Blowfish. You said the same thing, and.

1546
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: It came back you know what, it came back around. Yeah, exactly.

1547
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: And we'll put all the information down on the notes.

1548
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: We were talking about the poetry book and your tour.

1549
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: We'll put all that down. That sounds great, and everybody,

1550
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: he's got your will Anderson music.

1551
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: Will Anderson music. And then Willy J one two three

1552
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: four it.

1553
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to go check out Willy Jay wanted

1554
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: to do it. Man, that's up my alley.

1555
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 2: We'll do it.

1556
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll give it some likes, help the algorithm, you know. Please,

1557
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: good to meet you, man, you too, Thank you for

1558
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 5: Having me, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.