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Speaker 1: It's Easter. April twentieth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to Real

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Speaker 1: America's Voice News. This is Sunday, the Road Forward. Jesus

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Speaker 1: Christ is the Resurrection and the Life, and he has risen. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: that's not only why we celebrate today, but that is

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Speaker 1: what gives us hope, confidence, and purpose each and every day.

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Speaker 1: We celebrate Easter so that we can remember that Christ

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Speaker 1: is risen. We celebrate Easter so that we can be

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Speaker 1: reminded of all his promises in scripture. We celebrate Easter

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Speaker 1: to be reminded that we are not alone. God is

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Speaker 1: moving and God is at work. What a difference just

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Speaker 1: one year makes. On March thirty first, twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: Easter Sunday, the Biden White House issued a statement declaring

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Speaker 1: that to be the Transgender Day of Visibility. Today, one

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Speaker 1: year later, Target Lows and many other major retailers are

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Speaker 1: closed to give public notice and to observe Easter as

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Speaker 1: a sacred holiday. We also see where President Trump issued

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Speaker 1: a White House statement concerning Easter not just as a

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Speaker 1: religious tradition, but he gave deep theological and doctrinal statements

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Speaker 1: concerning the death, burial, and resurrection. Of Jesus Christ, paying

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Speaker 1: the ultimate respect to our God, our faith, and the

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Speaker 1: time on the tradition of our nation. Most importantly, the

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Speaker 1: President pledged to defend the Christian faith from the attacks

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Speaker 1: in our public schools, the workplace, and the halls of government.

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Speaker 1: What a difference just one year makes. Our scripture reading

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Speaker 1: this morning comes from Luke, chapter twenty four, verses one

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Speaker 1: through six. But on the first day of the week,

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Speaker 1: at early dawn, they went to the tomb, and they

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Speaker 1: found the stone rolled away from the tomb. But when

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Speaker 1: they went in, they did not find the body of

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Speaker 1: the Lord Jesus. While they were perplexed about this, behold

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Speaker 1: two men stood by them in dazzling apparel. And as

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Speaker 1: they were frightened and bowed their faces to the ground,

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Speaker 1: the men said to them, why do you seek the

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Speaker 1: living among the dead. He is not here but has risen.

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Speaker 1: Remember how he told you. As always, we want to

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Speaker 1: be a source of strength and encouragement to our viewers

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Speaker 1: to hold fast to the unchanging word of God. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ryan Helfenbein. I'm filling in for doctor Tim Clinton. I'll

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Speaker 1: be your host today.

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Speaker 2: Wore us saw him. Oh, come with us Christ, Love sworthy.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Rabbi Jason Soble. He is a

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Speaker 1: highly sought after speaker and author and is the founder

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Speaker 1: of Fusion's Global, a ministry that seeks to bring people

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Speaker 1: into the full inheritance of faith in Jesus Christ by

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Speaker 1: connecting treasures of the Old and the New. He is

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Speaker 1: also the spiritual advisor for the hit show The Chosen.

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Speaker 1: Rabbi Sobol, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Shalom, It's so great to be with you. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: having me.

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Speaker 1: Well Shalom to you. It's Easter Sunday. Christians around the

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Speaker 1: world Messianic Jews around the world are celebrating the resurrection

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Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ. How do you feel on this day?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so encouraged, so hopeful. I believe God is doing

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Speaker 3: great things in the world, and it just blows my

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Speaker 3: mind how we come to this time every year, Because,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the resurrection is one of the

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Speaker 3: most transformative aspects of what the Lord has done for us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. It changes everything. The empty Tomb.

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Speaker 1: There's oftentimes confusion, I would say, Rabbi, about how the

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Speaker 1: Old and the New Testament connect, How the Old Covenant

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Speaker 1: and the New Covenant connect This is a lot of

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Speaker 1: the work that you do is by drawing out just

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Speaker 1: like it says in the Gospel of Matthew that the

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Speaker 1: Kingdom of God is like a man who brings forth

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Speaker 1: his treasure, both old and new. We recognize that the

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Speaker 1: old covenant promises are ultimately not abolished, they're not canceled out,

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Speaker 1: They're fulfilled. Jesus says, I didn't come to abolish the

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Speaker 1: law or the prophets, but to fulfill all. Help us

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Speaker 1: make that connection even this morning, that you know, Christians

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Speaker 1: today are celebrating something that was spoken of going all

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Speaker 1: the way back to Genesis.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely part of our passion is to help people see

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Speaker 3: the connection between old and the new so that they

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Speaker 3: can experience the Bible and high definition that kind of

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Speaker 3: rode to Amas experiences. God is in every detail, So

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Speaker 3: think about it for a moment. We read in Luke

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Speaker 3: twenty four it says, behold, the stone was rolled away

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Speaker 3: from the tune. God is in every detail. The fact

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Speaker 3: that it even says the stone in Hebrew and the

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Speaker 3: Disciples thought in Hebrew and Aramaic is the word Evan,

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Speaker 3: the stone which connects to the stone. Prophecy one of

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Speaker 3: the most important prophecies Evan Masubonim. The stone which the

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Speaker 3: builders have rejected someone eighteen twenty two has become the

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Speaker 3: chief cornerstone. The Lord has done this. This is marvelous

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Speaker 3: in our eyes. So even the stone connects back to

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Speaker 3: a Messianic prophecy. But the question that we have to

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Speaker 3: ask is what was so wonderful? And the amazing thing

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Speaker 3: is this. There is nothing more wonderful than that empty tomb.

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Speaker 3: Because the Hebrew word for rolled away in the Luke

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Speaker 3: is the connection. The word Golgatha and the word rolled

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Speaker 3: on Golgatha and the rolling away of the stone at

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Speaker 3: the resurrection points to the fact that by his death

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Speaker 3: and resurrection, he rolled away the ultimate effect of the

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Speaker 3: curse of the fall. He rolled away death for those

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Speaker 3: who believe in him. He rolled away our shame in

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Speaker 3: our reproach. We read about this in Joshua five nine.

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Speaker 3: The Lord then said to Joshua today, I've rolled away

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Speaker 3: the reproach the disgrace of Egypt from among you. And

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Speaker 3: he named the place Gilgal, the same route for the

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Speaker 3: place where he was crucified, for the stone that was

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Speaker 3: rolled away. Jesus, y show it is the greater Joshua

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Speaker 3: rolling your way our disgrace from sin and failing, and

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Speaker 3: leaning us into a new promised land, the Messianic Kingdom,

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Speaker 3: a new Garden of Eden, a new Jerusalem. It's the

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Speaker 3: The curse began in a garden, and it was reversed

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Speaker 3: in a garden as well.

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Speaker 1: Amen. And in the Kingdom of God, that final city

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Speaker 1: out of revelation is a garden city. And uh and

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Speaker 1: and that is the place where the people of God

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Speaker 1: will dwell with each other and with our risen savior.

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Speaker 1: We will see God and actually look at him face

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Speaker 1: to face. Incredible, the promise of promises of God being fulfilled. Rabbi.

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Speaker 1: I love how you just unpacked all of that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, both old and new. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of infusion today and I'm seeing it. You know,

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Speaker 1: among so called Christian circles, there's kind of this sudden

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Speaker 1: rise again of anti Semitism. We saw it on secular campuses,

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Speaker 1: universities across the country, colleges and protests supporting Hamas raising

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Speaker 1: the Palestinian flag. But we're seeing some pockets of this

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Speaker 1: among so called Christian groups. The kind of Christ is

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Speaker 1: King narrative that I don't know if you've seen those

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Speaker 1: tropes kind of going around, and at first it seems

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Speaker 1: a lot of people struggle to see the connection that

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we do worship our

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Speaker 1: Messiah is Jewish. He's the king of King's Lord of lords,

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Speaker 1: and we know in the New Covenant there's no distinction

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Speaker 1: jew or Gentile, that we're all one in Christ. We

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Speaker 1: recognize that I'm son of Abraham by faith, and so

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Speaker 1: I've been grafted into the vine which is Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people struggled to see

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Speaker 1: how those connections of old and new are being made.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I think what's again interesting at

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Speaker 3: the CRUCIFIXI you know Jesus had a garment and makes

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Speaker 3: it gives us the detail that it was of a

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Speaker 3: one peace tunic that they cast lots for, and a

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Speaker 3: lot of scholars believe that that one piece tunic represents

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Speaker 3: the indivisibility in the unity of the body of Messiah.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jesus was Jewish. He came as the son

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Speaker 3: of David. You know he was born a Jew, he

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Speaker 3: died as a Jew, and he is still Jewish today.

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Speaker 3: He's seated on the throne, as you know, the lion

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Speaker 3: of the tribe of Judah. And so when Jesus became

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Speaker 3: flesh and blood, it wasn't a diminishing of God's promises

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Speaker 3: and commitment to Israel. It was an intensification of the

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Speaker 3: coven that God made with Israel and of all humanity.

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Speaker 3: If he's not the Messiah of Israel, if he's not promises,

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Speaker 3: if he's not faithful to his promises with the Jewish people,

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Speaker 3: he's not going to be faithful to his promises to

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Speaker 3: the nations of the world. And so I don't see

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Speaker 3: how you can say you hate the Jewish people and

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Speaker 3: love the Jewish Messiah. And there absolutely no sense if

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Speaker 3: you say you love me, but hate my family. We're

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Speaker 3: not going to be friends. Yeah, and so I just

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Speaker 3: think it's really unfortunate that this spirit of anti Semitism

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Speaker 3: has come into the church, and I think it really

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Speaker 3: has no place because I believe there's a great move

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Speaker 3: of God that wants to come. But it's going to

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Speaker 3: take jew and Gentile united in their faith. And you

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Speaker 3: show a Jesus as the Messiah that John seventeen unity

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Speaker 3: to birth, the John twenty one promise of a great catch,

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Speaker 3: a great move of God in our world. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: John seventeen where he says I and the Father are

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Speaker 1: that they would be one as I and the Father

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Speaker 1: are one. Absolutely we need to see that.

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Speaker 3: No, but listen to those words he praised that these

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Speaker 3: in those who are these? And who are those these

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Speaker 3: and those of it? These were the Jewish disciples, Those

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Speaker 3: were the nations that would believe. This is representing the

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Speaker 3: Book of Acts by Jerusalem and the Jewish Apostles to

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Speaker 3: the Jewish people and Antioch the Gentile missional Center. Not

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Speaker 3: until these and those jew and Gentile will become one,

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Speaker 3: then the world will know. Then what will be perfected

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Speaker 3: in unity, and the world will know that the Father

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Speaker 1: Amen, we will have to leave it there, but I

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Speaker 1: bet that is the That's what Paul says in one

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Speaker 1: Corinthians fifteen is the matter of most of first importance

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Speaker 1: is the resurrection. And it is our resurrection in Jesus CRI.

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Speaker 1: And so I thank you so much, Rabbi Sobl for

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Speaker 1: joining us shalom on this Easter Sunday.

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Speaker 5: It's, honestly, Ryan, it's such a beautiful thing to see

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I want to I do want to point this

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Speaker 1: Amen, let me ask you this, Amy and just your

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Speaker 5: Well, just like I'm starting to see this shift that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree that there is definitely a shift

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Speaker 5: Do you what a what a testament to the freedoms

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Speaker 7: What up Stead said and men without chess Man, You're

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to the life issue that's not

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Speaker 1: just appropriated only to women. We recognize that fathers. It

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Speaker 1: takes fathers to do anything, especially to create life. And

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Speaker 1: so I right, so, hey, I did want to start

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Speaker 1: right out of the gate. Colorado Bill HB twenty five,

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Speaker 1: from their parents. It's mister, Sunday. We have victory in

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. But why should Christians stand against this seth?

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Speaker 7: I mean, bro, dude, this is like you want to

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Speaker 7: talk about a return to neopagan neopaganism, neopagan revivalism, Ryan,

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Speaker 7: I think we could think of many different examples of

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Speaker 7: how that's happening in our culture, Bro, But Colorado, this

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Speaker 7: bill right now, is a perfect example of that. Dude like,

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Speaker 7: Great Lion Asland's like, you know, hey, I'm going to

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Speaker 7: send you down in a nardia. Now remember remember, remember

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Speaker 7: the signs. Okay, repeat them to yourself when you wake

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Speaker 7: when you wake in the middle of the night, and

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Speaker 7: whatever strange things may happen to you, let nothing turn

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Speaker 7: your mind from following the signs. I believe the signs.

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Speaker 7: Follow the signs, nothing else matters. She forgets the signs,

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Speaker 7: she doesn't repeat them, and she gets her and her

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Speaker 7: friends into much trouble. We've done the same thing in

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Speaker 7: the American Church. We've forgotten the signs of the times.

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Speaker 7: We've forgotten who we are, We've forgotten the great heritage

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Speaker 7: of Christian resistance. We've forgotten what we've been called to,

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Speaker 7: and we've gotten ourselves into much trouble because of it.

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Speaker 7: And God calls upon his people to remember. Right, remembrance

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Speaker 7: and forgetfulness are the measuring rods of faithfulness throughout the Bible.

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Speaker 7: And it reveals that there are only two kinds of

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Speaker 7: people in the world. Effectual doers and forgetful hearers. So

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Speaker 7: why do I say all of that, because, dude, none

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Speaker 7: of this is new. Like, what's so frustrating is to

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Speaker 7: watch these woke week and whimpy. To borrow a line

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Speaker 7: from my buddy John Cooper at Skillett Pastors in Colorado, Ryan, like,

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Speaker 7: be so silent on a bill that would literally label

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Speaker 7: child abuse. If a dad dead names his gender confused

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Speaker 7: minor or refuses to go along with sexual mutilation and

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Speaker 7: chemical castration because his wife's a whack job and is

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Speaker 7: transing the own kid. If the dad stands against that,

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Speaker 7: it could be child abuse. It could be it could

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Speaker 7: be discrimination, and the state could take your kid. Like,

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Speaker 7: that's not a new idea, dude. Christian children were separated

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Speaker 7: from their families and forced into Roman households under Diocletian

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Speaker 7: after Caligula and Nero. Diocletian, while less erratic, took the

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Speaker 7: same playbook one step further a total. I mean, Diocletian

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Speaker 7: was so wicked and he attacked Christians and the family

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Speaker 7: where even the glory of martyrdom could not prevent escape

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Speaker 7: the kidnapping and a doctrination of their children from the

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Speaker 7: Carthaginians and the Romans to the Ottoman janissaries in the Bolsheviks,

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Speaker 7: from the Hitler youth and Jihadis and doctrination camps of

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Speaker 7: modern times, so the modern left today. The objective has

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Speaker 7: always been the same, the same thing, Ryan, turn the

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Speaker 7: hearts of children against their parents. It's the fight for

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Speaker 7: the bodies and the minds of children.

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Speaker 3: Okay. And if you can't.

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Speaker 7: Stand against that as a pastor, okay, you need to

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Speaker 7: go find another job. You've abdicated your authority, you've surrendered

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Speaker 7: your pulpit, and you need to go find another job.

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Speaker 7: Where is our father more ticked off in the Old Testament, Ryan,

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Speaker 7: than when it comes to the sexualization of culture and

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Speaker 7: children and the killing of babies nowhere else? Why is

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Speaker 7: this fight any different? Where is the prophetic voice of

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Speaker 7: the blood bought bride of CHRISTI.

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Speaker 1: On that note, and I'm so glad you mentioned this.

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Speaker 1: I have a good friend, I know you know him

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Speaker 1: as well, Pastor Chase Davis. He's out there at the

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Speaker 1: Well Church, Boulder, Colorado. And one of the things he's

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Speaker 1: he is a warrior. We had a chance to sit

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Speaker 1: down earlier this week and talk about what's happening. That

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Speaker 1: they held a rally earlier this week on Thursday. But

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Speaker 1: one of the things he said is, look, I'm getting

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Speaker 1: a lot of support from people in the pew. I'm

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Speaker 1: not getting a lot of support from pulpits in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: And these mega ministries, by the way, I mean these

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Speaker 1: are these are ministries with gargantuan budgets that have a

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Speaker 1: lot of clout if they would actually wield the sword

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Speaker 1: and make use of it. They do have a lot

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Speaker 1: of clout, but they're not doing a lot right now

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Speaker 1: in Colorado. They're just kind of sideline and sidebarred right now.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that is these ministries and pulpits?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, Ryan, the answer I think has always been

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Speaker 7: obvious to me. There's different ways we could answer that.

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Speaker 7: I'll keep it really short. Listen, because of over a

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Speaker 7: century of leftist infiltration of evangelical institutions and ministries. Just

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Speaker 7: go read my good friend Megan Bashiam's book Shepherds for

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Speaker 7: Sale and this inclination a lot of believers had, Ryan

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Speaker 7: of like, has modern evangelicalism been co opted by weird

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Speaker 7: left wing political agendas that we're Christian face to deceive

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Speaker 7: the church? Like if you ever had that hunch, like

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Speaker 7: go read Megan's book. Okay, So like with over about

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Speaker 7: a century of that happening, and now it's like happening,

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Speaker 7: not gradually, but suddenly it's like whoa, this is like

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Speaker 7: really fast, right, Like why is Russell Moore and Christianity

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Speaker 7: today getting millions of dollars from left wing globalist pro

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Speaker 7: You got to ask yourself that question. And so a

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Speaker 7: lot of these like Christian ministries five o' one c

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Speaker 7: three's where are they based? They're based in Colorado's rings.

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Speaker 7: So why aren't they coming out against this like you

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Speaker 7: talk about after like dissecting babies apart in the womb.

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Speaker 7: This would be like the second greatest evil you could

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Speaker 7: think of, right, It's like trying to indoctrinate and kidnap

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Speaker 7: and turn children against their parents and to remove the

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Speaker 7: dad's a transphobe or whatever the heck that means. Okay,

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Speaker 7: and I think it's because a lot of these ministries,

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Speaker 7: for decades, Ryan the kind of bought this. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 7: can I say it? Tim Keller third Wayism, which said

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Speaker 7: like Jesus is neither left nor right, which, by the way,

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Speaker 7: that like, okay, yes, Jesus is neither a Republican or

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Speaker 7: a democrat. Amen, absolutely, he is the king, by the way.

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Speaker 7: But Satan is definitely a Democrat. I can guarantee you

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Speaker 7: that that Satan has the letter D right before Bailzebub. Okay,

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Speaker 7: that's his party. That's where he can do the most damage.

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Speaker 7: And so this third way ism of like, focus on

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Speaker 7: the great commission in the Gospel, Jesus is about the

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Speaker 7: saving of souls. Don't get so political. It's like, well,

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Speaker 7: hold on, wait a second, right, in nineteen let's just

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Speaker 7: say nineteen fift the Republican a Democrat party would have

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Speaker 7: been in complete alignment. That we shouldn't sexually mutilate the

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Speaker 7: next generation, We shouldn't kill babies in the womb through abortion.

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Speaker 7: We shouldn't say that there's such a thing as gay marriage.

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Speaker 7: We shouldn't allow gay dudes to use surrogacy to get

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Speaker 7: children and deny them a mother. That like, we shouldn't

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Speaker 7: be telling kids that there are one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 7: genders with a genderbread man in the in the public

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Speaker 7: school curriculum, and we shouldn't be showing porn to kids.

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Speaker 7: In Alfred Kinsey's Pornographic Sex and like that, both political

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Speaker 7: parties would have been like, yeah, we're against all that.

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Speaker 3: We're on the.

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Speaker 7: Same page, dude, Yes, like that is that in the

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Speaker 7: nineteen fifties. What I just said is completely accurate and true.

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Speaker 7: So those weren't political issues we understood those were fundamentally theological,

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Speaker 7: biblical issues. The Church had held the line on all

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Speaker 7: of those family issues for centuries, but now they've been

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Speaker 7: politicized and the Church and big like Christian ministries ryan

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Speaker 7: have allowed the other side to define the terms of engagement.

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Speaker 1: Seth Gruber, thank you so much for all you're doing

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Speaker 1: for the White Rose resistance and certainly for inspiring a

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Speaker 1: new generation of pro life warriors. Thank you for joining Sundy.

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Speaker 8: Great to see you again, Ryan. I appreciate that Happy

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Speaker 8: Eastern you and all your listeners and watchers.

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Speaker 1: Well, I so appreciate so much your ministry, your life's

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Speaker 1: work informing and equipping the Church Christians. On a day

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Speaker 1: like today, Resurrection Sunday, there's so much to celebrate, But

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Speaker 1: we have a well grounded, well reasoned faith. I think

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Speaker 1: that's really important for Christians to remember, to be reminded

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Speaker 1: of we have a historic faith rooted in historic events,

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Speaker 1: and God is still at work. He's still doing amazing things.

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Speaker 1: You have a new book out calling called Seeing the Supernatural.

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Speaker 1: You are a former atheist who became a Christian. What

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Speaker 8: It really did focus a lot on the resurrection of Jesus,

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Speaker 8: because even as an atheist, I recognize that that is

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Speaker 8: the lynchpin of the Christian faith. Everything depends on whether

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Speaker 8: or not Jesus really returned from the dead, because he

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Speaker 8: clearly may transcend it and missianic and divine claims about himself.

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Speaker 8: At one point, he got up before a group and

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Speaker 8: he said, I and the Father are one. And the

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Speaker 8: which means Jesus was not saying I and the Father

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Speaker 8: one in essence. And the audience understood what he was

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Speaker 8: saying because they picked up stones to kill him. He said,

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Speaker 8: you're just a man, and you're claiming to be God.

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Speaker 8: So Jesus claimed to be God, But so what I

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Speaker 8: could claim to be God. You could claim to be God.

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Speaker 8: Anybody can do that. But if he claimed to be God,

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Speaker 8: died and then returned from the dead on the third day,

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Speaker 8: that's pretty good evidence he was telling the truth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And talk a little bit about again your work,

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Speaker 1: the case for Christ, and then I want to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit, do a little bit of a dive

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Speaker 1: into this new book. But on this Sunday there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of historic reasons that we have for belief

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Speaker 1: in the resurrection. Could you, maybe you know, unfold some

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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, you know, most of which, most of the

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Speaker 8: things that we accept as being true about the ancient world,

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Speaker 8: facts about Alexander the Great or whatever, when you dig

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Speaker 8: right down into them, you find out they're based on

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Speaker 8: one good source of information, or maybe two sources of information.

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Speaker 8: And yet for the conviction of the disciples that they

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Speaker 8: encountered the resurrected Jesus, we have no fewer than nine

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Speaker 8: ancient sources inside and outside the New Testament confirming and

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Speaker 8: corroborating the conviction of the disciples that they encountered the

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Speaker 8: risen Jesus. That is an avalanche of historic data. And

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Speaker 8: what's interesting too, is that the earliest report of the resurrection,

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Speaker 8: which includes named eyewitnesses and groups of eyewitnesses including five

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Speaker 8: two within months of the death of Jesus, so far

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Speaker 8: too quick to be a legend that developed over the

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Speaker 8: many decades after his After his death, so we have

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Speaker 8: a robust case to be made that Jesus did indeed

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Speaker 8: die on the cross, there's no record anywhere of anyone

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Speaker 8: ever surviving of full Roman crucifixion. Even the Journal of

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Speaker 8: the American Medical Association investigated the death of Jesus and said, clearly,

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Speaker 8: the weight of the historical and medical evidence indicates that

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Speaker 8: Jesus was dead even before the wound to his side

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Speaker 8: was inflicted. So we have his death clearly documented. We

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Speaker 8: have the tomb being empty. Even the enemies of Jesus

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Speaker 8: conceded that the tomb was empty. They admitted it. They

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Speaker 8: were just trying to explain it away by saying the

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Speaker 8: disciples stole the body, which is absurd. The disciples of

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Speaker 8: the motive, the means of the opportunity to do that.

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Speaker 8: So we've got really a ro bust case. And I

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Speaker 8: think God did that intentionally.

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Speaker 3: He left us.

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Speaker 8: He left us a roadmap. He left us a robust

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Speaker 8: case that whenever our faith begins to waiver, whenever we

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Speaker 8: you know, our feelings about faith kind of waiver a

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Speaker 8: bit from time to time, we can always go back

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Speaker 8: to that anchor for the soul, which is the evidence

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Speaker 8: that Jesus not only claim to be the son of God,

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Speaker 8: he backed up that claim by returning from the dead.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm reminded continuously of what it says in the

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Speaker 1: New Testament, Paul writing to the church saying that these

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Speaker 1: things were written for our instruction, these things that happened

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Speaker 1: long ago, and so that certainly had truth that ring

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Speaker 1: clear to the first century and second century. Hears those

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Speaker 1: in the early early Church, and then certainly today our

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Speaker 1: faith is continually being renewed as we are seeing I think,

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Speaker 1: witnessing the hand of God even now, that God is

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Speaker 1: still at work. And that that really leads into your

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Speaker 1: most recent book, Seeing the Supernatural. I wanted you to

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Speaker 1: maybe unpack some of that for us. I certainly want

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Speaker 1: to encourage the listeners and viewers to take a look

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Speaker 1: at this. This book is out right now. I can

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Speaker 1: find it right now on Amazon. But tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about what's in this book.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was thrilled. The book just hit the New

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Speaker 8: York Times bestseller list. So there's a lot of interest

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Speaker 8: in this question about the supernatural and what I did

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Speaker 8: you know in my backgrounds and journalism and law, so

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Speaker 8: I tend to be someone who likes evidence. I like corroboration,

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Speaker 8: I like facts. I mean that's just who I am,

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Speaker 8: and so what I do in this book, seeing the supernaturalists,

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Speaker 8: I look at what is the evidence that corroborates the

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Speaker 8: fact that we do have a reality beyond that which

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Speaker 8: we can see and touch and put in a test

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Speaker 8: to so, in other words, what we see in this

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Speaker 8: world and we touch in this world and so forth,

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Speaker 8: that's real, of course, but there is a realm beyond that.

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Speaker 8: And I look at the various aspects of evidence and

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Speaker 8: point toward that, including things like documented miracles of God

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Speaker 8: that I think there are no other explanations other than

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Speaker 8: God supernaturally intervened in certain cases. These are cases published

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Speaker 8: in peer reviewed medical journals. I look at deathbed visions.

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Speaker 8: These are visions that people have just before they die,

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Speaker 8: including the example biblically is Stephen in Acts chapter seven,

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Speaker 8: death visions that people have before they die, often of

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Speaker 8: angels coming for them, that are corroborated because sometimes they'll

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Speaker 8: see things, they'll see people in the realm to come

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Speaker 8: that they didn't know had died. And then we look

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Speaker 8: at near death experiences, which are cases where people are

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Speaker 8: maybe clinically dead, maybe no heartbeat, no brain waves, and

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Speaker 8: so forth, but who will ultimately be revived and they

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Speaker 8: report being conscious the whole time, thus supporting the biblical

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Speaker 8: account that when we die, our spirit separates from our

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Speaker 8: intervenes in people's lives in incredible ways. Directly, I look

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Speaker 8: an understanding that these are not just mythological tales, but

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Speaker 8: these are This is actual information about realm, beyond what

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Speaker 1: You know, it's important to be reminded though many of

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Speaker 1: the things recorded in scripture happened long ago, we still

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Speaker 1: live in the same world, the same world of the

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Speaker 1: ancient world, that that world exists today. And I think

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Speaker 1: sometimes lead with modernity, with all the various sciences and

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Speaker 1: scientisms that are out there, and certainly with secularism, secularism

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Speaker 1: might actually be in a state of decline. Believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, I'm very hopeful by the statistics that I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing from Pew Research and others that faith is actually

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Speaker 1: on the rise. The question though, is what kind of

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Speaker 1: faith will it be? And on my prayer, it's the

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Speaker 1: Christian faith. It gives you hope in this moment.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, for instance, and when we look at

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Speaker 8: miracles in the book, and I have a chapter on that,

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Speaker 8: looking at documented miracles, it does two things for us.

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Speaker 8: Number one, it's further affirmation that God exists. It points

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Speaker 8: toward the existence of a supernatural God who loves us

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Speaker 8: and cares about us and periodically intervenes in a supernatural

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Speaker 8: way in our world. But the other thing it does

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Speaker 8: is it gives credibility when we read the gospel accounts

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Speaker 8: of Jesus' life. In other words, when I was a skeptic,

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Speaker 8: I would read the Gospel from time to time and

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Speaker 8: I would say, I don't believe in this. It says

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Speaker 8: Jesus did healings and miracles. Well, miracles are impossible because

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Speaker 8: they violate the laws of nature, and so I would

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Speaker 8: dismiss it as being legendary. Well, if we can document

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Speaker 8: miracles taking place in the twenty first century, guess what

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Speaker 8: that means I could have taken place in the first century.

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Speaker 8: And so that gives it's one of the objections the

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Speaker 8: skeptics have as they read the Gospel accounts. It gives

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Speaker 8: credibility to those reports of the life of Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Lee Strobel, thank you so much, sir for all you

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Speaker 1: do New York Times best selling author, and I want

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Speaker 1: to encourage folks to check out the book Seeing the Supernatural.

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Speaker 1: It's out now. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Lee, God bless You're great. To be with you today

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for watching Sunday The Road Forward. GK. Chesterton

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Speaker 1: one said the true soldier fights not because he hates

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Speaker 1: what is in front of him, but because he loves

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Speaker 1: what is behind him. Edmund Burke also said the only

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Speaker 1: thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good

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Speaker 1: men do nothing. These two quotes not only marked the

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Speaker 1: times that we're living in of greatest triumph and tragedy,

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Speaker 1: but the challenges that we face Christians are marked by

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Speaker 1: what we love, and we face many great evils in

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Speaker 1: this world evils that must be confronted. Were reminded on

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Speaker 1: Easter Sunday that as Christians, we are fighting from victory.

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Speaker 1: We're not fighting for victory. Jesus Christ, and he alone

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Speaker 1: gave us that victory. What used to be the last

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Speaker 1: day of the week, Saturday, the Sabbath, has now become

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Speaker 1: the first day of the week, Sunday, the day of

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Speaker 1: the Resurrection. That is our day of worship. We begin

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Speaker 1: every week in worship, and we begin every week acknowledging

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Speaker 1: the triumph and the victory of our resurrection. While trials

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Speaker 1: for I have overcome the world. Jesus Christ is risen

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Speaker 1: today he has risen. Indeed, Happy Easter until next time.

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Speaker 1: God bless you.