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Speaker 1: And we are underway. Welcome into our late night, early

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Speaker 1: Monday morning rephrase it because this is not the Sunday

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Speaker 1: night recap episode. This is the Monday morning NFL Week

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Speaker 1: five recap episode. Brendan Glasheen back in the host chair,

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Speaker 1: joined by our Director of Research Media, Evan Abrams, with

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Speaker 1: Brandon Anderson, one of our NFL contributors. Yep, it's late,

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Speaker 1: we're here. We just saw the ending of Dallas and

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh goes down to the wire. There's a weather delay.

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Speaker 1: Game doesn't start till nine to forty five Eastern, So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna rip right through this slate. There are bye weeks,

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Speaker 1: thank god, so there's not as many games to talk about.

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Speaker 1: But Dallas gets there twenty seventeen. We'll just start right there.

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Speaker 1: I'll toss to you, Brandon, your knee jerk reaction to Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Tolbert scores the touchdown with twenty seconds to spare on

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Speaker 1: fourth and goal. Dallas as a short dog gets there outright,

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Speaker 1: and the total delivers under forty four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, another's Steelers under. That's my takeaway and under how

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Speaker 3: many times I like to think too much more about

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Speaker 3: this game? To be honest, it was a rough one.

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Speaker 3: We waited a long time and then I was just like,

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Speaker 3: come on, can we just can we be done if

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Speaker 3: rewarded us with some extra energy at the end of

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Speaker 3: the night. We got some touchdown drives both ways, but

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Speaker 3: not a lot here. I think Dallas getting to three

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Speaker 3: and two Pittsburgh dropping the three and two feels about right.

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Speaker 3: So it's like we kind of had to do it

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Speaker 3: this way to even things out in the world.

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Speaker 1: Evan from a betting perspective, anything here on Dallas getting

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Speaker 1: there a big public side to close out the close

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Speaker 1: out the weekend, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, overall, I don't think we learned too much about

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Speaker 2: either team in this scenario. Pittsburgh's defense showed up the

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Speaker 2: underhit they could have. You know, either team could have

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Speaker 2: won on the last play of the game. I think

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Speaker 2: the thing we just keep seeing, I mean Dak had

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Speaker 2: what three turnovers in this game, two in the red zone,

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Speaker 2: just continues to try to do his best to hold

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Speaker 2: them up, but you know, didn't play extremely well, turning

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Speaker 2: over the ball a ton. And also there wasn't many

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Speaker 2: targets for Ceede Lamb in the second half. I believe

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Speaker 2: that first target came, you know, midway for a fourth

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Speaker 2: quarter potentially, so that was something I was looking at.

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Speaker 2: But overall, I mean six to three at the half,

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Speaker 2: game still goes under field, had like thirty five passing

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Speaker 2: yards at the half, ended with like a buck twenty something.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's the answer. I don't think Russ

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Speaker 2: great defense that they've just kind of figured out a

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Speaker 2: way and they can win next week game too. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're in Vegas, so I think that's as good of

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Speaker 2: a coin flip and they'll be favorite anyway.

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Speaker 1: Allen looked pretty good to be that one ball over

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Speaker 1: the middle. I was like, more of this, please. I

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Speaker 1: Allen gave a wake up call to the Pittsburgh offense

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Speaker 1: and justin Field just you got to get rid of

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Speaker 1: the ball. And I know Collinsworth was harping on this constantly,

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Speaker 1: but man, yeah, Dallas still some wartz there. The body language.

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Speaker 1: Brandon just said this before he went on to think

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Speaker 1: that games started this morning at eight am his time,

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Cincinnati, it was a doozy went to overtime Baltimore

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Speaker 1: forty one to thirty eight overtime winners. They do get

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Speaker 1: there to cover the two and a half total goes

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Speaker 1: way over, of course, forty seven and a half. Brandon,

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Speaker 3: Game, Yeah, I think early candidate for game of the

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Speaker 3: recap some of the crazy stuff. So right before halftime,

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Speaker 3: over the top to Jamar Chase, like the one thing

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Speaker 3: They got the safety just before that, so it should

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Speaker 3: have been fourteen seven is fourteen seventeen. Instead, we start

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Speaker 3: the second half. Hope you didn't have the under on

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Speaker 3: this one. Six straight touchdowns to start the second half.

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Speaker 3: Then the Bengals are still just kind of barely ahead, right,

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Speaker 3: that's the whole second half. As they're hanging on. Joe

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Speaker 3: And I have to say, it seems like whoever gets

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Speaker 3: basketball bounce pass right to Pratt should have been a

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Speaker 3: lockoff touchdown for Cincinnati. On the defense, they tackle him

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Speaker 3: forget this nine interception and it's it's it's not the

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Speaker 3: You we got them in the game to that point,

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Speaker 3: tackle of the thirty eight. Cincinnati runs three times straight

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Speaker 3: for once and misses it, and then Derrick Henry fifty

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Speaker 3: one yard. I thought for a second we might get

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Speaker 3: we would have been three yards short anyways, so we

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Speaker 3: got there. In my notes, I wrote Cincinnati season over. However,

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Speaker 3: the Bengals are one and four now they're I went

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Speaker 3: three at home. Defense gave up five hundred and twenty

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Speaker 3: yards in this game. You're not supposed to lose when

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Speaker 3: you score thirty eight at home, right. However, three the

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Speaker 3: next four games Giants, Browns, Raiders. Here's the thing. The

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Speaker 3: I'm actually upgrading the Bengals a little bit. Game the

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Speaker 3: game after this one I'm gonna downgrade the Ravens defense

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Speaker 3: here gives up three and seventy one passing yards. Jamar

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Speaker 3: Chase had almost two hundred yards and two scores. T

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Speaker 3: Higgins had nine catches and two scores. The Ravens have

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Speaker 3: won three in a row, but I'm not really sure

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Speaker 3: they know who they are yet, Like, how do you

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Speaker 3: the worse the actual Ravens team is. And they got

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Speaker 3: Derrick Henry made the plays. I think Derrick Henry is

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Speaker 3: the MVP for this team so far they get over

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Speaker 3: even though it's the opposite of the result.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some parallels there to how you evaluate NBA

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Speaker 1: MVP in some regards, right, But yeah, what do you think,

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Speaker 1: Evan anything on that? It was that great of a game.

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Speaker 2: If you want to get a word in, I just yeah,

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Speaker 2: best game of the day by far. Also, the game

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Speaker 2: so we kind of expected this game might have some fireworks.

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Speaker 2: One team can't stop the pass the other team. You know.

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Speaker 2: Burrow had like, you know, nine touchdowns and one interception

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Speaker 2: potentially winning the MVP. That was a fun ticket entering

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Speaker 2: this week at one in four. I don't exactly know

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Speaker 2: how he gets there, unless you know, yeah, the path

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem clean. But interesting you brought up that Henry

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Speaker 2: set that up. So the Lamar versus Henry and how

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Speaker 2: much is leading towards Baltimore's success since obviously they're near

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Speaker 2: the top end the numbers look great. Is a fascinating conversation,

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Speaker 3: And I actually went from Bengals are going to miss

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Speaker 3: When I saw the schedule, I was like, all right,

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Speaker 3: well he's lighting it up. The stats are all good.

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Speaker 3: pretty close to it to win MVP. They could. The

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Speaker 3: So I don't know. I think maybe if you're looking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the late game sequencing is why. So Stroud gets

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean you're right though. I mean remember

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Speaker 1: The day started in London. I thought the parent Trap

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Speaker 3: Neither team was really good here. The difference is that

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Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson six for ninety two not really a stat

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Speaker 3: These poor Jets defensively are doing their job just like

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Speaker 3: if I'm the defense, Like, how can I keep showing

433
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 3: up and doing this every game? Aaron Rodgers and Garrett

434
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: Wilson and Bryce Holler are supposed to do the thing.

435
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 3: It's just not happening. Last thing I forgot to note

436
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 3: to the biggest play of the game was Sam Darnald

437
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 3: making a shoe string tackle right Donald leaves hurt for

438
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 3: one play, comes back in. They get the fumble on

439
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 3: the pitch. Should have been a fumble six or whatever

440
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 3: we call that. The other way for the Jets. Sam

441
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 3: Donald makes the shoe string tackle and a couple of

442
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 3: plays later, Aaron Rodgers throw the pick six. That is

443
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 3: a fourteen point swing in a six point game. That

444
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 3: is why the Vikings won the game, and that is

445
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: why the Jets lost. And by the way, Aaron Rodgers

446
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 3: looked pretty disinterested trying to make a tackle on that

447
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 3: pick six. Can't blame him at that age. But it's

448
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 3: just the difference between these teams is one of them

449
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 3: is making those plays, the other one is the Jets.

450
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then now they got Buffalo next. This was

451
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: supposed to be one of those games that you're like,

452
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: all right, get right, but you know, I know, favorites

453
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,719
Speaker 1: do well in London Historically, Arizona visiting San Francisco, the

454
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: forty nine ers got shut out in a half. That's

455
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: crazy to think they get shut out. In the second half.

456
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 1: Arizona outscores them fourteen zip in the second half, Cardinals

457
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,719
Speaker 1: outright twenty four to twenty three. They cover the touchdown spread,

458
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: the total goes under. This game felt like it was

459
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: going to be soaring into the Ravens Bengals territory. The

460
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: way that first half was played, we saw thirty points

461
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: scored in the thirty three points scored in the first

462
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: half of that game. Evan Cardinals get there and they

463
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: get their second win. The NFC West, I think that's

464
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Speaker 1: where my mind goes. The NFC West is now just

465
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: a it's all over the place.

466
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Speaker 2: It's all over the place. And this is honestly my

467
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: stat of the day as well, since obviously every single

468
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: week we have NFL Action, the biggest underdog tends to

469
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: find its way to the cash wind, no even straight

470
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: up sometimes, So NFL Dogs now have six plus are

471
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: eleven and eight straight up, which you almost have to

472
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Speaker 2: pause in itself to consider how wild that is through

473
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: through five weeks in total, seeing if that Monday night

474
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 2: game is going to get to that six number. But

475
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,959
Speaker 2: eleven and eight straight up and sixteen to two and

476
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: one against the spread in those nineteen games, that is

477
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 2: the best mark I went back to nineteen sixty. If

478
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Speaker 2: I kept going back, it would probably be the best ever.

479
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, best first time over five hundred straight up

480
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: for those six plus point dogs through five weeks in

481
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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty and best ats percentage. And here's just the

482
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: best of it all. And I'll stop and move on

483
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: to the actual game after this. But if you take

484
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Speaker 2: out New England from those six plus numbers, it's actually

485
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: fifteen zero to one ats for six plus dogs this year.

486
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 2: So just stupid, stupid numbers. But if you look at

487
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: this game with Arizona and San Francisco, I guess specifically,

488
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: I just didn't think Arizona could score twenty four points

489
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: with Kyler having under two hundred passing yards. Now, obviously

490
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: he had that long rush to start the game, which

491
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: kind of you know, an extra fifty yards maybe you'd

492
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: have gotten in another circumstance, but he has a negative

493
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: EPA per play in this one on dropbacks, really doesn't

494
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: play great from that position, but Purdy has some turnovers,

495
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: and the biggest plays from win play probability added are

496
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: the party interception to Ayuk in the fourth and the

497
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Jordan Mason fumble. Those are the two plays that pretty

498
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 2: much turned this game and kept San Francisco from winning

499
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: when they were winning early on. I mean, San Francisco's

500
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: rundee was probably one of the bigger issues and kept

501
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: Arizona in the game when they shouldn't have been, which

502
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: is six point five yards per carry. San Francisco's more penalties,

503
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 2: more turnovers three to one, and honestly, you also look

504
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: at the box and just say to yourself, where was debo?

505
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: Three carries nine yards, three targets, one reception. The stat

506
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: I keep using, I know Simon and others have used

507
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: it as well. Pretty favored by four points or more.

508
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: He's now nine and thirteen against the number. When he's

509
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Speaker 2: favored by three and a half or less. For a dog,

510
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 2: he's eight and two against the number. So just kind

511
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: of having a little bit of issues when having to

512
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 2: cover big numbers, and Kyler kind of covers in the

513
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: spot too. Sixty three percent ATS is a dog in

514
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: his career and above plus four he's thirteen five and two,

515
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: So just a good spot for him and something we

516
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 2: really haven't been able to say in a long time.

517
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: So the Cardinals are covered three straight versus the NFC West.

518
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: I think they were like one in thirteen ATS in

519
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: their previous fourteen before that, So just you know, taking

520
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: a different direction. I think we've seen a different Arizona

521
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: team to start the season. We saw it against Buffalo

522
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: early in the year. In that first half, they look good.

523
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: They look good against San Francisco. Those are two really

524
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Speaker 2: good teams. Then I don't think we were able to

525
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: see a complete Arizona game. And now next week they

526
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: get Green Bay, which is going to be a whole

527
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: other test since their defense is pretty good too, So

528
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Speaker 2: we'll see really fast if Arizona is what they thought

529
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: what we think they are. But we like Betanan, that's

530
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and coming off a real clunker right against against Washington,

532
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: so get right spot there for Arizona just to look right.

533
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: And even though they didn't look great, San Francisco is

534
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: worse Indy Jacksonville. This was another one. Doug Peterson, whoa.

535
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: It felt like they were probably gonna let him go

536
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: out right when this thing ended, because Joe Flacco was

537
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: elite and fantastic down the stretch. But the Jaguars Brandon

538
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: survive thirty seven thirty four. The line closed at three,

539
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: so you pushed no matter what side you went there.

540
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: Over forty four and a half, the Jaguars get their

541
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Speaker 1: first win of the season, but Joe Flacco did and

542
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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce did not make it easy.

543
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Speaker 3: Yeah. A happy twenty fifth birthday to Trevor Lawrence. For

544
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: your birthday, we got you your first win in three

545
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen days as the starting quarterback of the

546
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Speaker 3: Jacksonville Jaguars. Yikes, first win in ten starts at a

547
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 3: career highd passing yards. Here's the difference for Lawrence today,

548
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 3: zero sacks. He barely get pressured all game. That is

549
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 3: what has not been going well for Jacksonville season. And

550
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: Jacksonville's offense really only works when they get the long balls.

551
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: They got a twenty one to twenty eight, sixty one

552
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: and eighty five yard passes in this one. So before

553
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: you get too excited that Jacksonville's scoring, now, that was

554
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: a Gus Bradley Indy special here today, no pressure in

555
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: a secondary that's beatable. I'm not sure that necessarily fixed

556
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: things yet for Jacksonville. If you had the under forty

557
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 3: four and a half rip, we got twenty to ten

558
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: into the fourth quarter, then forty one points in the

559
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: fourth quarter. Right get to the witching hour and Scott

560
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: Hansen is going over to Jacksonville, Indy like every second

561
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: play on my screen the whole time. So we got

562
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: a lot of action here late comeback, like you said,

563
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: Flacco and Peers getting making it interesting. But Jacksonville does

564
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: get the three point win late Brandon, I have in

565
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: my notes that the Colts mostly most books covered finished

566
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 3: at like three and a half or four. And that's

567
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: interesting to me because I think the Colts cover the

568
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: closing number, and if they did, only their third cover

569
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: in nineteen games against Jacksonville one of the weirdest, stupidest stats.

570
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 3: That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Colts didn't get

571
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: the win, but I think they did what really mattered.

572
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: They covered that half point and got off the schneid.

573
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: Finally, I think you're right my fault. Also, it's what

574
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: like the Colts tenth straight loss snow in Jacksonville.

575
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't like playing in Florida.

576
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: Jeez. I also got I think Favorites were undefeated straight

577
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: up in that early window.

578
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: Which well except for this one though.

579
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well straight up, straight uh.

580
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, straight all right, straight up. They covered every game

581
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: in the early window also except for this half point

582
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: here correct.

583
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, Giants at Seahawks. The Giants, speaking back to

584
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: Evan's point, a touchdown Dog wins outright against Seattle twenty

585
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: nine to twenty crazy, ending to this one. A blocked

586
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: field goal returned for a touchdown that would have tied

587
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: the game, but the kick is blocked, Giants take it back.

588
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: Total goes over as well. Yeah, I mean it probably

589
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: would have gone to overtime anyway, but who knows, maybe

590
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have been scoring anyway, goes over. Giants win

591
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: their second game.

592
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: Evan. Yeah, and so this was like six and a

593
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: half or so day or two before kick got to

594
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: seven and kind of just stood there. Obviously, line didn't

595
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: matter too much in this one. The interesting part is

596
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: you look at actions data from like a betting public

597
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: point of view. Number one public side was Buffalo Yike's

598
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: number two was this Seattle team. So second bigger public

599
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: side goes down. Public sizes are six and seven ats,

600
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: so now twenty eight forty five and two against the

601
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: spread this season, still worse through five weeks, so not

602
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: much better this week all around. But looking at this

603
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: game just the beginning kind of started out, you would

604
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: be surprised to hear that Seattle lost this game. When

605
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: the first drive Seattle punt five plays. Then the Giants

606
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: have a sixteen play seventy nine yard drive which gets

607
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: him to first and goal at the five two plays

608
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: from the one and ends up with one hundred and

609
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: two yard bumble for a touchdown on the other way

610
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: for Seattle, and then you get yourself. Oh and Seattle

611
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: actually still loses this game and almost felt like they

612
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: were never in it the entire time, which is just

613
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: very odd to say that such a bounce broke their

614
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: way and then never mattered. And how well Seattle's been playing,

615
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: how well Gino's been playing. He was top ten an

616
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: EPA and success and completion percentage over expected all these

617
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: different categories and entering this week, but just didn't see

618
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing I thought was odd just about

619
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: the box scores. I think Kenneth Walker had five carries.

620
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: It just doesn't really make sense to kind of go

621
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: away from him in that sense when I feel like

622
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: they panicked a little bit, but just interesting all together.

623
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones just kind of outplayed him in this one.

624
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: Better EPA you know, was running aside from that scramble

625
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: that Gino had that was like a thirty yard game,

626
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: Daniel joneses felt like he was better in this one.

627
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: So and think about this, just Giants drives seventy five

628
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: percent success rate in this one. So Seattle's defense was

629
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: not up to par. Seattle was three of thirteen on

630
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: third down and fourth down on offense, fewer yards, fewer

631
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: yards per play. Yeah, and Gino got sacked seven times

632
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: in this one, so it just really hard for to

633
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: get any consistency on offense. And he is now the

634
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: second most sacks this season behind Deshaun Watson. So all

635
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: that offensive success and he's on his butt every play.

636
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: So and the I'm trying to see if there's any

637
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: stats here that are worth using to me. The one

638
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: that was interesting that I keep running is dable love

639
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: a loss now fifteen and six against the number, and

640
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: this being the worst loss of Geno Smith's career. He

641
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: was six and zero straight up as a favorite of

642
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: five or more so had never really felt that upset.

643
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: But this one wasn't good. And that block field goal

644
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: at the end that went the other way, I think

645
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: a few people and I'd be curious Brandon or Brandon

646
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: your opinion on that. But some people were calling for penalty.

647
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: Some say it was like a really good play by

648
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: just jumping the snap, but got in there blocked it

649
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: and maybe over time maybe not.

650
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was a clear penalty. I'm definitely

651
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: biased because Seattle futures are my biggest position, and I

652
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: was not we had not deserve that one today as

653
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: a Seattle backer. But yeah, I don't know. I think

654
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: the jump cleared, so maybe that wasn't a penalty, but

655
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: you can't put the hands on the on the long

656
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: snaper and me pushed them down like that, like that's

657
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: a defensive holding penalty. That should have been pretty clearly

658
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: to me. First and ten on the thirteen yard line

659
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: for Seattle with like two minutes left down three. That

660
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: is at least a tie game for them and very

661
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: likely a chance to get into the end zone there

662
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: and steal a win. They did not deserve the win,

663
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: and to be fair, that's a ten point swing there.

664
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: They already had the fourteen points swing in their favor

665
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: that first drive of the game, like you said, so

666
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: I don't think you get too upset about it. As

667
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: a Seattle fan, that moment stunk. But they just no

668
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: showed in this game, and I'm a little worried. They

669
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: play now Thursday night against San France, so again a

670
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: big game where both teams are reeling a little bit

671
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: and need a big one. Seattle just played Monday night

672
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: and gave up like a thousand points to the Lions.

673
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: Then the defense, like you mentioned the why did Kenneth

674
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: Walker only get five runs? The defense on the field

675
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: the whole game. They had no chance to run the ball.

676
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: So now their defense is on the field all game

677
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: against the Giants, and now they play again Thursday, so Monday,

678
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: Sunday Thursday against the Niners, who, quite frankly, last year

679
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: the last couple of years have demolished the Seahawks defense

680
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: who cannot tackle. It's not the same Niners this year,

681
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 3: but as the Seattle guy with all my futures, I

682
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 3: am not excited about the Thursday night. I will tell

683
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: you this. I can't do it as a hot read

684
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: because team totals don't go up right away Sunday night,

685
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 3: I would be looking at San Francisco hot read for

686
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: an over team total once at posts. I just don't

687
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: know if Sele's gonna win that one. They're gonna have

688
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 3: to do with offense because that defense gets gashed by

689
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: San fran and they are exhausted, I think after this

690
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: stretch that they've had so so I'm gonna keep your

691
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 3: eye on for Thursday night.

692
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: I was looking a first half over too. I thought

693
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: I saw two two and a half. Assuming they're both

694
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: off a loss on short rest, maybe defenses aren't as

695
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: radizy offenses.

696
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: That is something we should I should have set off.

697
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: The top is that we are into October. I heard

698
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: some of this on some of the broadcast today, Like

699
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: we're in October. Offense is now a thing that the

700
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: the extension of the preseason is over. There was offense

701
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: on this Sunday. So it seems that teams have well

702
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: competent teams unlike the Jets have have worked out coaching wise,

703
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: and maybe others too. They've they've worked out the kinks

704
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: very good. Yeah. And by the way, the Giants didn't

705
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: have Molik neighbors and they Yeah.

706
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 3: Daniel Trump, honestly, you kind of lose that game at

707
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: home first. Yeah, you just can't as a Giants fan.

708
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: I don't even want them to win that game. Like,

709
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: there's better teams to look forward to than them to

710
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: win this game. But of course this is the one

711
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 2: they win.

712
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: Niners are laying three at Seattle on Thursday. Okay, last

713
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: one before we do our rapid fire. These other three.

714
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Just we spend a second on Commanders, visit the Browns

715
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: and the Browns were a team. I think a lot

716
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: of the Action Network folks were on Browns plus three

717
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: Commanders blowout Cleveland in Cleveland thirty four to thirteen total

718
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: goes over forty three and a half. That was annoying too.

719
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean that was basically over. I mean, at the

720
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: beginning of the fourth quarter, he had a shot for

721
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: the under, but it goes over forty three and a half.

722
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski Brandon said that Deshaun Watson is going to

723
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: continue to be their guy at quarterback. I know we

724
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: do these recap shows and it's very it's cliche and

725
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: it's very mainstream, like we just go coach quarterback, coach quarterback.

726
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: But the Deshaun Watson thing that I don't feel bad

727
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: about doing that.

728
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: The Deshaun Watson thing, it's gotta just be ownership at

729
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 3: this point, right. I don't know any other reason. You're

730
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: playing Washington, who by many measures is the worst or

731
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 3: one of the worst defenses in the league. And here's

732
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 3: what you do as Cleveland offensively two hundred and twelve

733
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: yards against Washington. That should be half of the game.

734
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: Twelve first downs for the game. They went one of

735
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: thirteen on third downs, Deshaun Watson gets sacked seven times,

736
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: barely completes half as passes minus zero point four to

737
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: one epa per play. This has to be the end,

738
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: but it's apparently not the end. Again, I wanted another

739
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 3: hot rate here. The Browns are playing in Philadelphia next week.

740
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: Philadelphia gets back Adrian Brown and DeVante Smith in all likelihood.

741
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: I was looking at it at seven this morning. It's

742
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: up at nine and a half. Now that's too high.

743
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that, but I do want

744
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: a Philadelphia first half before things screw around at the end.

745
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: Maybe Jamis finally gets to play the second half of

746
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: that game, but I'll be looking for a Philly first half.

747
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: The Browns are disaster. Jim Schwartz. A lot of people

748
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 3: played Cleveland here, as you mentioned Brennan, because Jim Schwartz

749
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: was supposed to be finally a challenge for Jayden Daniels,

750
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: not a challenge did not go well. I'm not sure

751
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: Jim Schwartz is gonna be coaching the defense a week

752
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: from now because they got a scapegoat somebody. Washington won

753
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: by twenty one despite an interception at the one yard

754
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: line about to score a field goal from the nine,

755
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: a fumble the first play second half, a field goal

756
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: from the twelve, despite giving up a garbage touchdown to

757
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: Cleveland at the end, Like this should have been way worse.

758
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: It's thirty four to thirteen and that flattered the Browns.

759
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: They're just not good right now. And Washington keeps on rolling.

760
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: Washington Baltimore next week. Again, We're gonna get to the

761
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: MVP thing shortly, but oh Man, Jane Daniels, Lamar Jackson,

762
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: early season MVP battle coming up. Who would have thought

763
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 3: Week six Washington Baltimore would be like the game of

764
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: the week that we'll be talking about next week. But

765
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: that's where we're headed.

766
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: Spend a sentence or two on these last three. Carolina

767
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: visit Chicago Panthers under Andy Dalton, much more competent offensively,

768
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: but not the case in this game. The Bears win

769
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: thirty six to ten. Caleb Caleb Williams, like Caleb de

770
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: almost said Caleb Daniels, Caleb Williams looked his best to

771
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: this point. Chicago covers the three and a half total

772
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: goes over Brandon Bears one.

773
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: This almost as badly as the one that Brace Young trade.

774
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: In fact, DJ Moore one hundred yards and two scores too,

775
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: because he was in that trade too. Lest they forget

776
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 3: just a rough but in a little extraar we've got

777
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: a little Brice Young in this game, because that's how

778
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: bad the blowout was. Caleb Williams has a second game

779
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: of three hundred yards and two scores, one more Top

780
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: five all times. Chicago bears good job.

781
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: Chicago burned the island. It's the island. It's been long gone.

782
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 3: It's done.

783
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: Awful reviews. Vegas at Denver Broncos win thirty four eighteen.

784
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: It didn't start well, but the Gardner Minshew interception, the

785
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: certain return to the house. Those uniforms are fantastic. Denver,

786
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: keep those uniforms. It was a great moment for Denver really.

787
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: After that pick six, Evan, the game was over. Denver covers.

788
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: The short number total goes over thirty five and a half.

789
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, in another universe it's seventeen to three Raiders. We're

790
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: probably talking about something completely different. But then you look

791
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: at the it's such a weird thing too. So if

792
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: you don't actually watch the game and you see the

793
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: box score versus watching the game, because total close at

794
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: thirty six Denver scored thirty four Minshew gets benched. They

795
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: throw three picks combined. Like you said, it's a completely

796
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: different game if you don't actually watch this one, and

797
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have because there was twenty penalties between both teams.

798
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 2: It was just absolutely disgusting all around. I'm not sure

799
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: we were going to learn anything anybody. I know a

800
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: bunch of us were on Denver. But if Denver were

801
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: to have lost this game and it would have been

802
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: like what twenty three thirteen something like that, I don't

803
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: think we would have learned anything different anyway. So kind

804
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: of difficult to look forward with this result. I will

805
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: say this, Chargers Denver next week. Denver's been looking pretty well,

806
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: Chargers off a bye. I kind of want to look

807
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 2: Chargers even though there are road faves in this one,

808
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

809
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: That's my look on forward with these two Chargers laying

810
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: two and a half at Denver next Sunday afternoon, and

811
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: last and certainly least Miami, New England. Miami wins fifteen

812
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: to ten. They cover a short number as a short

813
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: favorite in New England. Total goes under Brandon Anderson. You

814
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: took another under thirty and a half. I believe I missed.

815
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 1: We didn't do best bets last week. I was out,

816
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: but uh, gross, gross football in Foxborough, even though it

817
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: was a gorgeous day here.

818
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, we took We called it the mine shaft copyright

819
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: Matt Moore. They can't, we can't escalate her up. We're

820
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: taking a mine shaft down. I gotta be honest. We

821
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 3: got pretty lucky here. Think we got six field goal attempts.

822
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: Here we got four turnovers. This really shouldn't have been

823
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: that love, But I don't care because the Dolphins owed

824
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 3: us money after Monday and they give it back in

825
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: this one with the under Yeah, ugly game. Not much

826
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: more to say. We'll say this. Miami heads into the

827
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: bye week here. They absolutely could have lost this game.

828
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely could be out of it. This season, they've been horrendous.

829
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: They're two and three. The bill is like a couple

830
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: of games the Jets have lost a few games. They

831
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 3: play out of the bye week against Indianapolis and in Arizona.

832
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 3: You win one of those games, you're three and four.

833
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: Two is supposed to be back for Week eight at Buffalo.

834
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 3: Season might not be over yet for Miami.

835
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: Okay, something to keep an eye on very good moving

836
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: on Monday. And by the way, hot reeds coming from Brandon,

837
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: So stay tuned for that Monday night football. One game,

838
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: just one game we're talking about here. These Saints are

839
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: visiting the Kansas City Chiefs. The line is at five.

840
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: I think there's a five and a half out there

841
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: to yep, five and a half Kansas City lane the

842
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: five and a half. They're banged up. Rashi Rice is

843
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: on IR. That's the notable one, the most recent one.

844
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: Your notes here, Evan on this game, Chiefs hosting the Saints.

845
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: I'll give a better two and then a note or two,

846
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 2: and then we'll let Brandon do his thing. I kind

847
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: of like Comara to score a touchdown, score both road games,

848
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: scoring three of four. This year, he got the fourth

849
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: most FRED zone and goal line attempts, and if he

850
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: doesn't get it that way, he has eleven plus runs

851
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: of ten plus yards, so he's doing it explosively as well,

852
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: tied for second most of the NFL. So he has

853
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: a bunch of different ways to get in the end zone.

854
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: And I want New Orleans at six. I did it

855
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: earlier in the week. I know it's been touching five

856
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: and a half all along two stats. I really like

857
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: here when Carface's defense allowing fewer than twenty one points

858
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: per game, which is Kansas City actually thirty five and

859
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: twenty one against spread in his career, which people probably

860
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: wouldn't realize. And look at this list. It's Brady Breese, Rogers,

861
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning, and Derek Carr. It's a good list to

862
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: be on. And we always know about Patrick Mahomes and

863
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: laying decently sized numbers thirty eight, forty three and three

864
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: when he's above minus three, twenty five, eight and one

865
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: when he's below that number. Homes all around seven turnover

866
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: worthy throws, which is tied for second most of the

867
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: NFL with Jalen Hurts and Bo Nicks entering this week.

868
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: Just been kind of different. Six touchdowns, five picks. We're

869
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: going to talk about him with MVP in a second,

870
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: which is just a very difficult conversation for most people.

871
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: So I like New Orleans at that's six number if

872
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 2: I can get it.

873
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: Derek, you said that Derek Carr's twelve games over five

874
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: hundred against the spread. When he faces a team that

875
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: allows fewer than twenty points per game.

876
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: Twenty one, and it's fourteen, so under twenty one points

877
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: per game. He's thirty five and twenty one against the spread.

878
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: All right, he's holy short.

879
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like thirty games under five hundred on

880
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: the flip side.

881
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: What the hell? That's the NFL right there for you crazy?

882
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: You teased it there, Evan, And I'll let Brandon kind

883
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: of segue first. Brandon, We'll start with the game and

884
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: then it kind of does introduce a fun top and

885
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: we've kind of hinted at it throughout the recap of

886
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: the games. But what to make of the MVP landscape

887
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: and not just the one obvious one, Patrick Mahomes being

888
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: the favorite, but you know, Derek a car there might

889
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: be he might be worthy of discussion as it pertains

890
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: to that. But start with the game first.

891
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I took the under on the hot read.

892
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 3: The line moved a half point against US so far.

893
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: I think maybe with some of the injury news, we

894
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: didn't know if Kamara or Lave would play, and they

895
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: look like they should go. Fauga, the left tackle should go.

896
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: That's probably why I still like the under here. Taysom

897
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: Hill is out. That is a big miss. The way

898
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: that the Saints use him that's just like a a

899
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 3: personnel weapon that confuses the defense. So that's a big

900
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 3: miss for them. Just two pretty good defenses. The Chiefs

901
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: defense has been top ten against the run. That's what

902
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: the Saints need to do to open things up. Got

903
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 3: Spags against car that's obviously a familiar matchup defensively Saints

904
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 3: defense under Dennis l And that's the one thing I

905
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: can have Dennis Allen as my head coach, but I

906
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: love him as my defensive coordinator. You're number two in

907
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: DVOA Top eight run, top eight pass. We haven't really

908
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 3: seen Kansas City play a really great defense, and haven't

909
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: really been that great offensive anyways. They're missing all those weapons.

910
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: We haven't seen the Saints offense do it against the

911
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: Spags sort of defense. Can their interier offensive line hold

912
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: up against Chris Jones and all the rushing. There's just

913
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: there's a lot of ways that I honest think it's

914
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: the either team really failing to put up a big

915
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: number here, Like I could not be too shocked if

916
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 3: we got like thirty to thirteen in either direction. To

917
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: be totally honest, I think the Chiefs are due for

918
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 3: one of those games against a good team it might

919
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 3: not be the Saints. I think it could be the Saints.

920
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: We'll get to be a second Dennis Allen unders forty

921
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: four and below. That's a good trend. Dennis Allen unders

922
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 3: on the road. We know about the primetime unders, so

923
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: give me the under forty three and a half. And

924
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: I've been kind of hinting towards this all week. I

925
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: think the Saints are live to win the game here.

926
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: Not enough to play the money line, But I played

927
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 3: a couple different ways. I played Denver Division this week.

928
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: They got to win today. If Kansas City were to

929
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: lose here, they're only a game out there, So keeping

930
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: eye on that. I am going to and did already play.

931
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 3: We gave it out on our best bets. Derek Carr

932
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: for MVP if they go to Arrowhead. Patrick Mahomes is

933
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 3: the MVP favorite in a very weak field right now.

934
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: Hasn't really been that good. You mentioned the turnover worthy

935
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: he plays. He's got at least one interception every game

936
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 3: so far. He's really only the favorite because his name

937
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: is Patrick Mahomes and they're undefeated, right like, we can

938
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: just acknowledge that that's the case. I think he would

939
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: probably anowledge that's the case. The Saints have been pretty good.

940
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: By the numbers, the Saints have been to the better

941
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: team so far this season. If cargoes to Arrowhead on

942
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: Monday Night and beats Patrick Mahomes, he's already number one

943
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: in PF half grade. He's already number three in EPA

944
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: plus completional over expected. That is an indicator of MVP.

945
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: He's top three already despite coming off the two losses.

946
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: He's eighty to one to an MVP and a wide

947
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 3: open race. Look when you see me nibbling MVPs, it's

948
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: because I've already left Aaron Rodgers for dead. But I'm

949
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: admitting that I think the race is pretty open and

950
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: we need some long shots here. So let me throw

951
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: it back to you guys. I think Derek Carr could

952
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 3: be alive. And that is not because I'm a Derek

953
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,479
Speaker 3: Carr fan. It is because I think the MVP race

954
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: is very open. Evan, if you were voting for an

955
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: MVP right now, if you had to like submit a ballot,

956
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: the season is over, who would you vote for? Here?

957
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: So you would ask me and Brendon and pre show

958
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: to kind of just make a list. If we were

959
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: like ending it right now. I put a list of

960
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: eight names together and I'll just give him give you

961
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: an order. So just going through the standings, I feel

962
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 2: like the list has to include these names, no question.

963
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels, Lamar, Darnold Baker, Derrick Henry, and then the

964
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: next section, which you have to figure out a way

965
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 2: because they're not playing as well, but they're either playing

966
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: really really well and their team.

967
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: Suck's going to be in there.

968
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: It's Mahomes, Stroud, and Burrow or the other three. You

969
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: have to figure it out. Burrow's playing really well. His

970
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: team's one and four, so he can't be a part

971
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: of that list. Mahomes' team's undefeated. He's got six touchdowns

972
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: and five picks and just really hasn't looked good. And

973
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: we talked about that a second ago, and then yeah, Stroud,

974
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: I get it. Nico Collins also is five hundred and

975
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: sixty seven receiving yards and leads football, so trying to

976
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: figure out a way to encapsulize that is difficult. I

977
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: think Lamar is a little underrated. I'll just say that

978
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: nine touchdowns, one interceptions. He also seventh and rushing in

979
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 2: the NFL seven yards per carry. Now I get Derek

980
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: Henry's first, but Lamar has been unreal and even with

981
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: the fumble that potentially would have taken them with a

982
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: loss today probably if they would have had the right

983
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: play calling, I still think his numbers are crazy. The

984
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: thing I didn't really realize when just looking at this

985
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: entire list, and Jane Daniel has been absurd. We can

986
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: go over all the crazy number of the completion percentage

987
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 2: and even like coming away and with the wins, etc.

988
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 2: He's got four touchdowns and two interceptions. So I think

989
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: there's like both ways of probably looking at that scenario. Now.

990
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: Now the unexpectedness and the newness of a name probably

991
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: puts him up there. But Baker better better record, better

992
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: numbers than Darnald. But Donald's undefeated, So it's a it's

993
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: a little jumbled in there.

994
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: Just named the third of the league. Is the point

995
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: of this of having this conversation, No, I'm not, I'm teasing,

996
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: but like I'm making Brandon's point, like that's why it's

997
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: it's an open an open race.

998
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say for me, if if I'm voting,

999
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 3: I think it's you can only give one of two

1000
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: names either you just say, well, I don't think there

1001
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 3: is an MVP, so let's give it to Mahomes because

1002
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 3: he's undefeated. Like I can be okay with that. I

1003
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 3: think that that's maybe what would happen if the season ended.

1004
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 3: If we're going with the snare where the Chiefs lose tomorrow,

1005
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: then it's really wide open. I think it's just got

1006
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: to be Jade Daniels. I think the way that he

1007
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 3: has played, the fun factor, the wow factor, the way

1008
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: that he's running and escaping under pressure, like it's the

1009
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson stuff, except that the number are just as good,

1010
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 3: the advanced numbers are even better, and the record is better.

1011
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: So I feel like that's that to me. If we

1012
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 3: ignored that he was a rookie and the season really ended, now,

1013
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: I think Jane Daniels would be the MVP. He's plus

1014
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred, the same as Joe Burrow, which is interesting

1015
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: because Joe Burrows one and four, Washington is four and one.

1016
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 3: They beat him. They beat Burrow head to head, So

1017
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: if you think the Bengals are going to come back

1018
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: and make or run, maybe that's value. If you think

1019
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: Washington is as good as they'd look and they can

1020
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: actually go to Baltimore to win. Next week, you should

1021
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: be getting that MVP ticket because it is not gonna

1022
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 3: be fifteen to one anymore after that. I don't know

1023
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: that I believe, but I wouldn't believe they'd get to

1024
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 3: four and one so far either, the way that they've played.

1025
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: So I think it is a beauty and eye of beholder.

1026
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 3: I don't know that I have a bet for you.

1027
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 3: It's because I'm nibbling down the board. I looked at Gino,

1028
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 3: I looked at Derek Carr. I'm looking at long shots

1029
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 3: because I'm like, well, when we just cobble together some

1030
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: dudes whose team might be good enough, I think you

1031
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 3: want the NFC sleeper. That's what I think I want.

1032
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: I don't Prescott back now. Dak Prescott has been terrible

1033
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 3: this season. I do not want Dak Prescott. I don't

1034
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: think the Cowboys to the sleeper either. I figure out

1035
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: who's the NFC one seed. Maybe if Jared Goff, but

1036
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 3: Jared Goff and the Lions make the run, Like if

1037
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: we're going to get a sleeper, I think that's where

1038
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 3: you're looking, and that's where you would want to find

1039
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: maybe a sleeper. And I know that that's not what

1040
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: what what did? Is Derek Carr? I keep thinking Derek

1041
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: Carry is on the Raiders. No, Derek Carry is the

1042
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: NFC great Derek Carry. You know Smith FC Championship. Let's go.

1043
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: Daniels face is the Ravens past? And then Caroline is

1044
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: past in the next two weeks. So the time is now?

1045
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: Okay now, and I acknowledge Jack's been bad. I just

1046
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: they want to know one the division stuff to play

1047
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: the Commanders twice. They are three and two. It could

1048
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: get better, I know, like Burrow, like comparing him to

1049
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: like Burrows had numbers, but the defense has not been

1050
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: very good in.

1051
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: San Francisco and Atlanta in the next three weeks.

1052
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough. It's a tough little schedule coming up. Interesting.

1053
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: So after that seven minute discussion, I don't know who's

1054
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: winning MVP is what is what? I'm what I'm concerned about?

1055
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: All Right, the Saints are live tomorrow, I think is

1056
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: the overall take. If that's why Derek Carr MVP ticket

1057
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: is not a bad idea. Should they go into Arrowhead

1058
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: and beat the Chiefs? Okay, very good, Let's wrap. We'll

1059
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: do the hot read hot.

1060
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 4: Wrap on ice rights ice cream nineteen Sound nineteen.

1061
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: Hold, Brandon, what do you have.

1062
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 3: For us our first game where you go Sunday night.

1063
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go right back to Joe Burrow. Give me

1064
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: the Bengals minus three and a half at the Giants. Yes, indeed,

1065
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 3: it is the third straight hot rad I'm picking against

1066
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: the Giants that did not go well for me this

1067
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: week picking Seattle. I had this on my before Sunday

1068
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 3: at minus four and a half. Now we get past

1069
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: the key number four for free, we just get a

1070
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 3: little better line because the Giants got the win the

1071
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 3: Bengals loss. Of course, the line moves that way again.

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00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 3: We tuggled this earlier. The Bengals, to me are an

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00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: upgrade after what we saw. Their offense is playing I

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00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 3: think better than ever. Bengals right now are one and

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00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: four with four to one score losses. The four losses

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00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: are by fifteen point combined, so that could very easily

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00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 3: be I mean, frankly five and zero if things have

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00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 3: gone that way. Probably not, but at least three and

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00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 3: two are pretty deservedly. If those coin flips go half

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00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 3: and half, they entered this weekend fourth and DV away,

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00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 3: they drop up thirty eight on a talented Ravens defense.

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00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: That's gonna go up. Joe Burrow has been great Cincinnati

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00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 3: number two EPA per drive, number two success rate offensively,

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00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 3: So why the play minus three and a half is

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00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: under the four key number. You beat the Bengals in shootouts, right,

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00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: That's how you beat them. Forty one for the Ravens

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00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: thirty eight for a while. Are the Giants gonna beat

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00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: them in a shootout? Now? Jamar Chase and Teagans are

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00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: gonna shred that New York secondary when they get a

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Speaker 3: chance to. And the Giants want to win the ugly

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00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 3: sort of game like they did today, not a shootout.

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Speaker 3: So Bengals minus three and a half, that's the first

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Speaker 3: hot read. Brandon Evan thoughts, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say before. I just feel like that

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00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: line came. I saw four and a half, four three.

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00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: It's just way too much of an exaggeration. And all

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00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: what I heard Burrow in post game, they're gonna be

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00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: angry and this is going to be the great spot

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00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 2: to be angry against. And I know the Giants pass

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Speaker 2: rush can be a little fierce and is obviously with

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00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 2: the seven sacks. What gave Genos in trouble today, but

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00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: exactly like Burrow. No, look, he'll get the ball down

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00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: the field. They should be able to catch the ball.

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Speaker 2: And also the underlying storyline here is and I understand

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00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: he's played decent recently, but one in fourteen straight up

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00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: for Daniel Jones in primetime just sucks. So I would

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00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: be probably fine going against especially I think he's owned

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00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: seven at home, so let's do it.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked when they put the promo graphic on

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Speaker 1: tonight that that was the Sunday night game next week.

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00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: I was, I, no, come back to back New York too.

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Speaker 2: You get the Jets at home and the Giants at home,

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00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: So I mean maybe the anti parlay, maybe just hit

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00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 2: the road teams.

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00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: Okay, hot rate number two, number two, we're staying ugly.

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00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 3: I struggled to find one I loved here, but I

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00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: love a good ugly under Chargers Broncos under thirty seven.

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00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 3: I think the team's even playing football. Here's a little

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00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: game for you listening at home. Other than Cortland Sudden,

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Speaker 3: name a running back or receiver on either one of

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00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 3: these teams. Like, there are no weapons, I rate weapons

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00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 3: like offensive weapons in the league. These are thirty first

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00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: and thirty second. There's nobody home to make offensive plays,

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00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 3: so both offenses are kind of doing the same thing.

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Speaker 3: The Chargers are running the Bonnicks offense, check it down,

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Speaker 3: short stuff, keep it easy, limit mistakes. On the other side,

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00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: the defense has been really good. Both these teams top

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Speaker 3: five v eight offensively. The Chargers are off this week.

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Speaker 3: Their new defensive coordinator, Jesse Minter for Michigan, has done

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00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 3: an awesome job with them with not a ton of

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00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 3: talent vance Joseph's defense and Denver has been really good.

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00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 3: I think it looks like Rayshaun Slater. The Chargers left

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00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: tackle still likely out here, so that hurts the offense

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00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 3: a little bit for them. Joalt should be back, but

1135
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: still not great there. Herbert's been banged up as well.

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00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: Neither team has really faced great offenses yet that's the criticism.

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00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 3: Maybe the defense isn't great. Well, guess what you get

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00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 3: to face the Broncos and Chargers, so we're not gonna

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00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: find out about facing a good offense here either. Chargers

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00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: games this season thirty two points, twenty nine thirty and

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00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 3: twenty seven thirty two is be high for the season.

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00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 3: Denver's got a thirty three and two nineteens. These are

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Speaker 3: not Denver scores. These are the final score of the game.

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Speaker 3: So that's the seven out of nine games thirty three

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00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: or lower. You've heard my stat over and over again

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00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: under his thirty eight and up below, that drop a

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00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 3: huge amount sixty three percent under. Here's thirty seven and below.

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00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 3: Now since November twenty, nineteen, thirty eight fourteen and one

1149
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 3: to the under seventy three percent. And you know, Brandon,

1150
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: there's no all lines yet, but we introduced the mind

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00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: shaft the thirty and below and it's at thirty seven

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00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: in below. I feel like this might be another mind shaft.

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00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: Fifty nine percent of those games at thirty seven and

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00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: below finished thirty or below at the end of the game.

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00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 3: That's where these Chargers Broncos games have been going. So

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00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 3: let's just keep it simple, keep it ugly. Chargers Broncos.

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00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: Please don't show it on an NFL red zone. Just

1158
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 3: let us cash her under and get out of here.

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Speaker 1: All right, Very good two hot reads from Brandon Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: minus three and a half at the Giants and he's

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Speaker 1: on the under Broncos Chargers game under thirty six and

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Speaker 1: a half Okay, before we wrap up, let's hear from

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Speaker 1: our friend Patrick Everson over at Vegas Insider for a

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00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: market report. How did Las Vegas fare today?

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Speaker 4: All right, Brandon, thanks a lot for me on the

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Speaker 4: Action Network podcast once again recapping the weekend that was

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Speaker 4: with NFL Week five and what was was pretty decent

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Speaker 4: for the betting public masses for a change.

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Speaker 5: It's been a few weeks.

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00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 4: The sports books have really been making hay over the

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00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 4: first few weeks, most of the first few weeks of

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00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 4: the regular season, but with the exception of a couple

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00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 4: of the later results that probably fell the sportsbook's way,

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00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 4: the public actually did pretty good on Sunday, really right

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00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 4: out of the gate with that Jets Vikings game. Ats

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00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 4: makers all week long said that the Vikings were a

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Speaker 4: very public play. I continued to hear that on Saturday

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Speaker 4: and Sunday heading into that very early game in London,

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00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 4: and the Vikings get the.

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00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 5: Win and cover. So that was really good for the

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Speaker 5: public betting masses.

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00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 4: Also, the Washington Commanders, I think we've touched on this

1183
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks.

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00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 5: They're starting to get more and more public.

1185
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels quickly growing in popularity as well.

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00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 5: The public was.

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00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 4: Definitely on Washington today at home against Cleveland, Washington rolls

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01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 4: to a winning cover, so that was another really good

1189
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 4: result for the betting public, as was the Ravens scratching

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Speaker 4: out that overtime win and a high scoring game against

1191
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 4: Cincinnati forty one to thirty eight Ravens win in overtime.

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01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 4: And what Tristan Davis said behind the counter for bet

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01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 4: MGM mainly off for those early results, but a little

1194
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 4: bit some of the later stuff too, is that there

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01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 4: will be plenty of happy betters today, I think, particularly

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01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 4: from the games.

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Speaker 5: That were in the early window. Now.

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Speaker 4: The Packers were a very public team as well and

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01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 4: got there with the winning cover against the Rams, so

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Speaker 4: that was good for the betters. But the book certainly

1201
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 4: got some back with the San Francisco forty nine ers

1202
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 4: losing outright as seven.

1203
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Speaker 5: Point favorites against the Arizona Cardinals.

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01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 4: And the Seattle Seahawks also seven point favorites, lots of

1205
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 4: tickets on Seattle this week losing outright to the New

1206
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 4: York Football Giants, So there was some give back in

1207
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Speaker 4: some of these and there may have been a little

1208
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Speaker 4: bit of an exchange of money back and forth depending

1209
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Speaker 4: on which book you were looking at with the Sunday

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Speaker 4: night game between the Steelers and the Cowboys, but again

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Speaker 4: generally speaking, it was a better week for the public

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01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 4: betters than the last few weeks have been. Christian Cippolini,

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Speaker 4: behind the counter at BETMGM, had a couple of comments noted,

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01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 4: it looks like a great weekend for the betters, but

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01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 4: he said, it's been four straight big weeks for us

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01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 4: behind the counter, so we were.

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01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 5: Probably due here. The public was probably due here.

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01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 4: As well, and so the books got their due and

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01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 4: the public hopefully got right a little bit. Let's look

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Speaker 4: ahead real quick to the Monday night game to wrap

1221
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 4: this up, and a pretty interesting game.

1222
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 5: You've got Saints against the Chiefs. The Chiefs did.

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01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 4: Touch six and some spots over the course of the week,

1224
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,959
Speaker 4: but sitting five and a half now, and interestingly on

1225
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 4: Sunday at BETMGM, you were looking at almost two to

1226
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 4: one tickets and almost two to one money on the

1227
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 4: spread in favor of New Orleans on the road here,

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01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 4: which I think it's pretty interesting because Kansas City is

1229
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 4: always a very public team, even when they're banged up,

1230
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 4: and the Saints were taking a little bit more moneyline.

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01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 5: Play as well, with the plus number.

1232
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 4: Is probably attractive there, but sometimes that doesn't even turn

1233
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Speaker 4: people off of Kansas City. But what I will say

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Speaker 4: to that is you've got all day Monday for this

1235
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 4: to percolate.

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01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 5: Kansas City is very public.

1237
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 4: Whatever moneyline parlays are live to Monday are going to run.

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Speaker 5: To the Kansas City Chiefs.

1239
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 4: Straight you know, straight bet spread parlays as well, those

1240
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,479
Speaker 4: are going to run to the Chiefs, and they're gonna

1241
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 4: be bett and favored it over. So even though on

1242
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 4: straight bets on the spread, the Saints as a Sunday

1243
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 4: we're taking more tickets and money than the Chiefs, I

1244
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 4: think the Chiefs are going to make up some ground,

1245
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 4: perhaps on straight bets, but if not, certainly on parlays,

1246
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 4: moneyline parlays that are still live and so forth. So

1247
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 4: don't be surprised at all if Tomorrow night the book

1248
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 4: is not only rooting for a Saints cover, but perhaps

1249
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 4: a Saints outright upset, which is out of the question.

1250
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 4: Dogs of five and a half or more this season

1251
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 4: have been very good against the spread and have pulled

1252
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 4: their share of upsets as well, and we saw two

1253
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 4: more on Sunday with the Giants beating the Seahawks and

1254
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 4: the Cardinals beating the forty nine ers out right. So

1255
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 4: there we have it, a little look at the weekend

1256
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 4: that was in NFL Week five.

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01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 5: We'll talk to you again next week.

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01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Jens, it's late, we'll get out of here. Wee

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Speaker 1: hours of Monday morning. Evan Abrams, our director of Research

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01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: and Media. Keep an eye out for his content over

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Speaker 1: on the Action Network app actionnetwork dot com Brandon Anderson

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01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,520
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