WEBVTT - Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, February 3 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:09.200 It is Thursday, February third. This is Jaguars Happy Hour 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:13.160 and now a guy who will fight to her name 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:20.680 to retain the name, Commander J. P. Chad Rick. Welcome on. 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.599 It's Jaguars Happy Hour on a Thursday afternoon and a 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:29.479 busy show ahead. Oh there's really no new news yet, 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:34.120 but here's what's coming up. Jaguars analyst Jeff Lagerman's coming up. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:38.080 I haven't seen him in a few weeks. Jaguars continue 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:42.120 the coaching search. There are rumors and reports will get 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.839 to some of those will take a look at the 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.600 NFL head coach Tracker, teams that have hired and the 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.440 teams that have yet to hire head coaches. The Jaguars 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:57.320 interview tracker as well, names that they have interviewed and 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:02.800 maybe are currently who knows, well, look at that coming up? Well, 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.160 of course, go around the National Football League. A busy 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:11.440 offseason already around the league. Newsworthy and it's not even 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.039 the Super Bowl yet. Jeff Loggingman with us now Jaguars analysts. 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.920 Good afternoon, what's up? Logs, Good afternoon. Haven't seen you 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:22.119 in about what three or four weeks something like that. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.920 Hasn't been that lot it's been a hot minute. Was 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.280 it the season? Yeah, I guess it was. It was 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.759 last week, so that would be I was on vacation 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.480 last week, JP. Yeah, well good and rightly so yeah, no, 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:37.640 it was good. Uh had a little trip to the 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.640 mountains of Tennessee and I got to see what the 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:42.880 Smoky Mountain draw about. So it was a great vacation, 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:47.000 great getaway. Thought for sure that the Jaguars would have 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:52.520 a head coach hired by then, but not. Well, the 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.920 reports where they were close, and then they weren't, and 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.280 maybe they're close again, but who knows. We have not 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.440 seen the white smoke out of the chimney yet. I 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:05.680 really believed that this this job last year was the 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:10.560 most attractive in the National Football League. You had a 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.800 first overall draft pick with the possibility of drafting Trevor Lawrence. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.519 You had a team that was flush with cap room, 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:22.760 that had plenty, I mean, a full array of draft picks. 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.120 And then Urban Meyer is hired, and I really believe 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.720 that this could have been the number one most attractive 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.720 job as well this year, and for whatever reason, it 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.720 hasn't been that. And you can point to a lot 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.119 of different things, but the fact of the matter is 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.840 is that five openings have been filled before this one 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.560 has been filled. And if this was the number one 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.079 attractive job, then people would have been holding out hope 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.600 to get this job at some point. And so here 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.400 it is. You know that there's there's four openings left. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:02.320 This team is is one of them, and uh, we're 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.320 still kind of waiting to see what's gonna happen. And 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.680 I think that's a very curious situation to go from 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.520 from last year this being the hot job to take 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:13.520 and and the number one job to take where it 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.040 could have been this year, and then all of a sudden, 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.160 here we are in this hiring cycle. And you know 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:22.760 that that that brings more questions into the equation. By 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.360 the way, we're right at fifty days since Ervin Maya 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.519 was fired seven weeks, you know, so you have a 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.600 head start on a lot of teams, which which also 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.960 should have been able to give you an edge in 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:38.920 the evaluation of your of your coaching search. And and look, 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.960 I'm all about getting it right. So if if making 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.080 it take longer means getting it right, I'm all for it. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.640 But I think a lot of times if you're not 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.480 making the right decision in an expedient manner. I think 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.640 it hampers a lot of other things that you would 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.560 try to do as an organization with the subsequent hirings 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.080 after your head coach is hired. Let's take a look 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.000 at the NFL head coach tracker. As you said, logs, 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:09.720 five teams have hired coaches, well, four officially. One is 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.960 coming officially after the Super Bowl. Matt ebra Flus is 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.000 going to the Bears, Made Hackett to the Broncos, Josh 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.800 McDaniels to the Raiders, Brian Dable to the Giants, and 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.280 then after the Super Bowl has done, Kevin O'Connell has 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.960 an agreement apparently with the Vikings will make that official 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:29.000 by rule after the day after most likely the Super Bowl. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.880 U four teams open, of course, the Jags, the Saints, 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:36.080 the Texans, and the Dolphins are remaining. Yeah, and then 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.160 the Texans job. I think that there's a lot of 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.800 questions about that one. It was reported today they're down 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.479 to three finalists for that gig, by the way, and 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.560 then the Saints. I mean that was something that kind 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.839 of came out of left field with the retirement, and 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.200 uh so, I don't know what's going to happen there. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.360 The Dolphins, I think also has you know, these are 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.760 curious situations that remain. And and the reason I say 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.640 that is that you the all the openings that you 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:08.039 looked at. For the most part, with the Giants, the Vikings, 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.400 the Raiders, the Broncos, the Bears, for the most part, 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.159 it was kind of a hiring GM and coach. I 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.200 think the one thing that was a little bit different 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.160 was the Denver Broncos situation because Patton was hired I 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:26.440 believe after Vic Fangio was was hired. So but for 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.240 the most part, you've you've brought two guys in together. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.040 And so with the Dolphins, the Jaguars, and the Saints 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.760 and the Texans, there's existing personnel guys that are already there. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.960 And could that be a hindrance to some people maybe, 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.640 you know, because a lot of times there's not a 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.599 relationship with what may be viewed as a top candidate 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.360 with the person that is in personnel. So a lot 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.839 of times when they are hired together, they're they're kind 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.360 of joined at the hip and some in in some 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.279 respect just like you know what they've called well and 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.880 Gus Bradley, when when they were hired. It was kind 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.880 of okay, these two guys are together for the most part. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.480 Let's take a look at the Jaguars interview tracker via 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.039 NFL dot com and they have listed all of the 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.400 reported names that have interviewed with the Jags. There's a 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.560 long list for the Jaguars. By the way, we mentioned 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.440 some of those earlier have already gone on to other gigs. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:26.240 Era Fluce Hackett, Kevin O'Connell is depending higher by the Vikings, 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.480 and you know some of these other names. Dan Quinn 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.960 was at least in touch with the Jags, but then 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.520 decided to remain the Cowboys defensive coordinator. Some of these 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.960 guys got second interviews, some did not, But it did 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.479 feel like there was a report this past week that 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:45.400 the Jaguars were putting in to talk to Kevin O'Connell, 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.000 but then they had to wait until after the Super Bowl. Well, 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.680 now O'Connell's been hired. That was like they had to 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.479 wait after the Super Bowl because they didn't have a 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.440 first first interview in that window they didn't have it. 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.280 But since he is now, by the way, real by 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.080 the way, that if that were the case, if you 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.400 tried to interview Kevin O'Connell, and you weren't aware of 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.720 the rules of not having the first interview, then, than 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.560 shame on you for not knowing the rule correct. That 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.600 was the latest name to be added to the Jaguars list, 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:17.080 I believe the last name. So since he's been hired, 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.720 I mean, I don't think there's any more dark horse 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.680 candidates coming out. You would think at this point, you know, 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:26.360 maybe maybe there are. But it's kind of going back 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.640 to the names that we've seen reported the last couple 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.920 of weeks, guys like Leftwitch and Peterson, and I think, 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.000 first of all, both of those would be tremendous candidates. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.920 I think Doug Peterson, super Bowl winner, proven guy Byron 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.840 Leftwich has got a link to the franchise. You know, 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.840 I'm not sure about the reports that he wanted to 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.720 have Adrian Wilson in as general manager. Could there be 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:49.119 a dark horse candidate? I say absolutely. And the reason 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.640 I say that is that a lot of the teams 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.240 in this head coaching hiring process have been very transparent 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.480 and that Okay, hey, we interviewed, they put out on Twitter, 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.800 we interviewed so and so and uh and tomorrow we're interviewing. 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.200 So and so there hasn't been any of that with 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:11.800 the Jaguars that there. It's been very secretive in some respects. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.280 And so when you say there are no dark horse 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:20.920 candidates anymore, who the hell knows? Right? I mean, we 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:22.880 don't really know. I mean what the list of the 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.480 interview list that that we compiled there, that that we 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.400 com compiled NFL dot com. I mean, we didn't put 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:32.719 that list togother. I mean, that's what they're speculating. But 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:38.640 none of that has been quote unquote confirmed. So you know, 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.160 so I I could there be a dark horse Canada, 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:47.880 Sure could be. Is it likely? I don't know. I 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:52.840 don't know. It's rights say no chance, but there's always Hey, 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.520 look unless you're sitting in the room with them. You know, 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.600 you know that movie Dumb and Dumber. So you're saying 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.079 there's a chance, which one of the greatest lines ever. 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.360 So that's where we stand. I mean, there's and to 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:10.160 your point, it was February three, right, there's only four 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:14.079 teams remaining. Two hire coaches. These other staffs are already 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.320 starting to come together around the new head coaches. Oh absolutely, 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.000 even Kevin O'Connell i guarantee you has already putting a 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.000 staff together at the same time that he's putting together 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.640 with his head coach a game plan for the super Bowl. 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.640 I mean that that's that's what you do. I mean, look, 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.360 if you've got an opportunity to be the head coach, 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:33.880 you're not gonna sit back and hey, look, you know, 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.600 I really got to concentrate on the super Bowl. You know. Uh, 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:43.160 I can't worry about putting my staff together. What now, 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.160 I'm putting the staff together. I'm getting on the phone 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.679 in my spare time every chance that I get, and 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:51.560 I'm texting guys between you know, game plan meetings for 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.360 the super Bowl because I'm telling Sean McVeigh, Look, man, 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.480 I'm I'm gonna be a head coach with the vikings. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.160 I gotta get my stuff together. Man. Okay, you can 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:00.800 handle the game plan, and I'll help you as much 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.040 as I can, but I gotta, I gotta, I gotta work, man, 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:05.800 you know so. I mean, look, the guys are putting 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.920 staffs together, and that's when when you've had an opening 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.920 for fifty days or however long it span. I mean, 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.720 that's one of the great advantages to having the first 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.520 opportunity at hiring somebody is to be kind of first 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.319 in line. For first of all, you want to cherry 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.280 pick your head coach, and then once you get the 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.120 opportunity to get the pick of the litter, then you 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.880 can cherry pick or get the pick of the litter 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:34.199 with your staff. And that's I mean, that's critical. I mean, 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.640 I think I really believe that that's critical, especially when 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:44.880 you have a staff that there's not gonna be or 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.680 apparently not going to be a connection with the past regime. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:53.680 For example, like the Baltimore Ravens. You know, if if 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:58.600 something happened with John Horball to our John Harball decided 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.440 not to coach anymore, they're probably gonna hire a guy 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:07.040 that has some connection to the Ravens organization, which then 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.040 and would follow that some of the guys that are 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.080 already on the staff are gonna be retained by the 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:18.200 new head coach of the Baltimore Ravens. With this staff 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:23.960 which was put together by former college coach, how many 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:28.719 people from the staff are gonna be staying on board, Well, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.959 they've already started to go away. I mean, a handful 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.800 of already taking gigs elsewhere college jobs and there's reports 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.600 that Joe Colin there were people taking job before the 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.440 season ended. George Warhops interviewing. That was a report a 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.880 while ago. So I mean, yeah, So, I mean that's 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.240 I think that's the hard part, and I think that 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.560 makes it a little bit frustrating, is that, Okay, did 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.360 did you get the pick of the letter from from 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:57.360 the head coaching availability? I mean you could say maybe not. 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.360 I don't. I mean, maybe you do. Maybe you're gonna 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.640 get the guy that you were tagging all along, or 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.560 that you had in your sights all along. But when 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.640 what has been forty nine or fifty days, sometimes it 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.800 gives the appearance certainly that that's not the case. And 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.000 then I can tell you right now that you're losing 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:17.360 out on hiring staff. In fact, indisputable, you are losing 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.960 out on hiring the best of the best. From a 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.440 staff perspective. Here's a question for you. Maybe well, I'm 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.040 gonna get an answer to this question. We want answers 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.199 on this show. I want to how much how important 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:34.119 is the staff as opposed to the talent and the personnel. 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.240 The talent you have to have the talent, how much 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:41.160 can the staff actually do if you're you know, really talented. 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.800 I'm still a big believer in that in that coaching matters, 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.520 you know, and looking I've heard many people talk about 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.720 it's not about the xs and o's, it's about the 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.760 jimmy's and the jails, and that's true, but excess and 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:58.560 os matters too. And anybody that believes that any part 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.760 of an organization is not as important as another part 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.520 should be fired immediately. Because I'm a I'm a strong 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.000 believer in that everything matters, um And when I say 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.480 everything matters from from the assistant coaches that you have, 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:15.800 to your coordinators to your head coach, and obviously the 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.240 head coach has to be a tremendous leader. Who you 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.040 have in management from a personnel standpoint, who's picking the 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:27.240 players to come in? That matters. It matters the players 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.280 that you have and the background and the values that 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.280 they bring from a playing skill set standpoint, but also 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.760 from value standpoint and how they're built internally at all matters. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.320 And if and if you're not trying to get better 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.160 in all areas and getting the best that you can 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.640 be in all areas, then I think you have less 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:51.319 of a chance of being a consistent winner. That's that's 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.840 one of the beauties when you look at the organizations 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.679 that have a history of winning, they have a history 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.920 of consistency with their coaching staff, house and from an 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:07.480 organizational standpoint, and they've got quality people. Quality people. I mean, 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.080 you know when I the New England Patriots, I mean 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.880 it starts with one guy in Bill Belichick. Okay, but 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.840 he doesn't do it by himself. He has a trusted 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:21.960 uh collection of people and it's not easy to be 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.280 come part of that circle of trust with Bill Belichick. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.120 And I bring up the Ravens because the Ravens have 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:32.520 been able to do it through multiple types of quarterbacks. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:37.280 They've been able to do it through multiple personnel executives, 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.680 from Ozzy Newsome to the to the new guy what's 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.360 his name, uh, Toronto blank. But anyway, the new guy 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.640 that they have who worked under Ozzie and who by 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.840 the way, refused many jobs to stay on board with 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.640 the Ravens because he knew that he was going to 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.120 be the eventual replacement Dozzy Knewsom. But I mean, that's 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.760 that's what you need to strive to be. I mean, 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:03.400 that organization, I think has done a fantastic job and 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:07.360 they have groomed a lot of coaches from their own staff. 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.560 How many coaches did you see them have to where else? 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.560 Said they lose a coordinator, whether it be offensive or defensive, 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.400 and then they're just promoting from what's end because there 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:21.520 they know the way that they want it done in Baltimore. 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.400 And I have great appreciation for John Harball. I think 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.520 John Harball, I think the ownership in Baltimore, Ozzy Newsom, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.400 I think helps set a standard there. And that's why 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.240 they went all the time. We saw it firsthand training 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.280 camp a few years ago, going up there and seeing 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.880 how they work in the building and operate their organization firsthand. 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:41.840 Look at it for the Jaguars a few years back. 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:43.960 I let's come back in a moment, plenty more ahead. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.400 A little later. We'll go around the National Football League, 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.120 plenty of storylines, and we're not even to the super 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.400 Bowl yet. We're over a week from the super Bowl, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.640 and it feels like this is a LONGUS off season. Ever, 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.560 by the way, that was one of the best championship 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.920 weekends in a long time. We'll get to that when 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.680 we return as well. We're off and running. It's Jaguars 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:12.480 Happy Hour. On the Jaguars Digital Network. Jaguars Happy Hours 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.040 brought to you by Dream Finders Homes Homes that Fit 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.160 Your lifestyle and by Baptist Health, Changing Healthcare for Good. 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:28.240 Welcome back. It's Jaguars Happy Hour Thursday afternoon. J P. Shadrick, 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.560 Jeff Logaman, Glad you're along with us. Joe Fortunato on 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.640 the audio, Brent Reber on the video side. The off 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:38.640 season is here. The wheels are turning for the Jacksonville Jaguars. 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:43.440 We think there's some reports and things going on, but 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.440 nothing has been announced as of yet. Some of the 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.000 reported names that have interviewed for the Jaguar's head coaching 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:54.920 job have taken other gigs already of course, so um, 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.640 you know, it kind of feels like the wheels are 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.320 turning though, right. I mean there's these well mean to 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.879 me because you're spinning. Well they're not spending too quickly apparently, 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.440 but you're starting to see these other names um come out. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:10.960 Like today. There was a report again today from Mike 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:15.439 garre Full of NFL Network the Jaguars are working towards 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.600 adding former Vikings GM Rick Spielman to the front office 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.040 in an unspecified role. He's had a long career in 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.639 the National Football League. He's been the GM of the 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.920 Vikings since through this past season when they cleaned house there. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.560 He've been with the Vikings since oh six. So you 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.199 start seeing names like that. You mentioned Adrian Wilson a 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.760 moment ago with the left Wich stuff last week. You know, 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.679 is this more than a head coaching change? Trent Bulky 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:47.040 is the general manager for the Jaguars. What does Mr 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.600 kan have in mind? That only Mr Khan knows that obviously. Yeah, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.280 that's I think that's a great question. Um. There have 0:17:54.480 --> 0:18:00.920 been reports that that some people were not thrilled about 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:05.320 the opportunity here because Trent Balky was in place. Is 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.280 that factual information? I don't know. I haven't talked to 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.840 any of those people, but I will tell you this 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.320 that when reports start coming out about a Spielman or 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:22.440 a Wilson or something of that nature, you know reports 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.960 of any other old saying is where they're smoked, there's fire, 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.240 But in what capacity? What is the structure of the 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:32.800 organization going to be? And that and that's why you 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.320 just have to kind of wait and see what ownership 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.400 is gonna do, because I mean, that's that's his decision 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:44.680 when when he decides to make the call on who, 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.640 and then also what he's gonna let us know. And 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.400 the structure could be anything. Could it? Could it involved 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.879 an e v P to where the e v P 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:59.480 has a general manager and a coach? Yeah, could it be? 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:01.879 Are you just have a gentle manager and a coach 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:06.320 and then they both report directly to him? Sure? I 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:10.880 don't know if if and then to the owner. There's 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.600 all those possibilities. The one thing I think that I'm 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.199 a big believer in and that when somebody gets an 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:21.120 opportunity to be the head coach, that's gonna it's there's 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.720 gonna be a lot of money with the opportunity of 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:25.440 being a head coach, and so I think I think 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:29.640 some people view that as quote unquote striking the lottery. 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.760 And so if you're, if you're And that's why I 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.199 think this hiring process can be so challenging, is that 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:38.919 you want to make sure that you get a person 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:44.440 that it's not about the money. It's about it's about 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:48.680 the team, and it's about winning. It's about culture. It's 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.480 more than just about me the head coach, And boy, 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.399 am I gonna be set for life because I just 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:58.359 got million dollars guaranteed. That's not what it can be about. 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.359 And that's those people are hard to find, Okay, I 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.480 mean we look Andy Reid. I think is is a 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.399 perfect example of the guy, the type of guy that 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.639 you're looking for, John Harball. They're driven more than just money. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.000 Do they want to be compensated fairly, sure, everybody does, 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:18.359 but it's more than than just the money, and so 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:22.160 that I think that's very challenging. It's it's no different 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.240 than finding the right people on the personnel side of things. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:30.439 You have to find people that whose agenda includes getting 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:35.160 this organization to be a perennial winner, a consistent winner. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.800 It's not about well, I want to make sure that 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:39.800 I'm taking care of I want to make sure that 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.639 my political power is still intact. I want to make 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.640 sure that my contract is where it needs to be. Now, 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:47.639 I mean that you've got to find people that they 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:53.080 are so far above and beyond that. It's about the 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.720 brand and the logo and the team and the people 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:00.119 in the organization. And that's not easy to find. Know 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.359 that's that and uh, you know it's really not There's 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.679 only a few organizations around the league. I think you 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.720 could say have been stable over a long period of 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.320 time in that regards. It's not it's not easy. It's 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.600 it's not easy. And uh, and what's the right way 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.280 to do things? I don't think there's a right way. 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:21.240 There's there's some teams that that ownership is involved in 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:24.640 a in a day to day process and I think 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.720 that that helps in a lot of ways to for 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.120 the awareness of things that are happening on a day 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.360 to day basis. If if you have somebody like Mr 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:38.320 Khan who is involved in in other businesses and is 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.080 not here on a day to day basis, do you 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.880 need to have that e v P. That person who 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.320 can see things on a day to day basis and 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:50.560 who can evaluate with experienced eyes. I mean, look, I 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.480 mean there's a there's a case to be made for 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.320 having a lot of different formulations and and setups to 0:21:56.359 --> 0:22:00.639 the organization structure. But but most important only you have 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:06.000 to find those people that the agenda is lacking. And 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.880 it's when I say the agenda, the personal agenda takes 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:14.320 a back seat to what the team and organizational agenda is. 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:16.879 You know, I'm just off the cuff here thinking you 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:22.120 know around the league, top cultural destinations around the league, 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.840 most stable organizations, and number one in my mind's Pittsburgh Steelers. 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.400 They don't change coaches, ever, the ownership has been there 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:33.280 forever well, Pittsburgh Steelers, New England, Patriots, Baltimore Ravens. Right, 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.679 but Steelers even over a longer period of time, right, 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.800 I mean since the seventies, right, and they've and they've 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.760 been consistent throughout that there's been some change in New 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:43.520 England now as of the last twenty years, obviously, they've 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.160 had a lot of success. Seattle is another one cons 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:51.120 for a while. Yeah, so you know, but there aren't many. 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.440 I mean, Dallas has not had a lot of success 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:57.480 over the years since the Super Bowl runs of the nineties. Um, 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.440 they've had the same ownership that's been considered, and they've 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.439 had a lot of success off the field obviously, And 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.200 that's that's the example of ownership being involved every day. 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:08.679 I mean, he's right there in the mix and owner 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:12.480 slash general manager, Jerry owner slash whatever he wants, that's 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:16.159 the title. So there's different ways to go about it, 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.280