1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: No, we don't have like no intros or anything like, 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: we don't start. This is probably how we started. 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: We'll welcome it's a very non produced. 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you missed, you missed real prepro We were 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: listening to the Lucky Day album. Uh, and Lucky said, 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm just here because I'm trying to get some closure. 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: And that's how I knew Lucky was toxic. 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: It's kind of like saying you'll come pick up your stuff, 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: and all you got over her house was like a 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: pair of shorts. 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tooth pressure. You're not gonna use you like, 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: come and pick up my stuff. Really, because we're the 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: closure is the most iry. It's probably the biggest excuse 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: to continue to talk to somebody because can you get 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: closure from somebody? 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get closure from somebody, but are you 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: willing to accept that closure? 18 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: But how do you get closure from somebody else? Only 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: you can close it if you keep talking to them. 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: You're not closing ship. 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: Right and that yes, and that and that and that 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 2: s it's yes, But I think more so what it 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: is is sometimes you feel like you just you have 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: questions that you just need answers to before you can 25 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 2: be like, a, you're. 26 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: Not fucking with it more? What you need any answers 27 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: for no. 28 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: Because she could be cutting you off right, like she 29 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: could be done with the relationship, and so you want close. 30 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: It, but you want to know why, Like damn like that. 31 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,279 Speaker 1: If it's damn, it's damn. 32 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: That's how I feel. 33 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm going down that path, and I'm like, I need 34 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: answers before I could close the ship. Then I got 35 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: the answers and I felt here. 36 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 4: And I was like, no, that's not close that open. 37 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: You know, we just play games, man, That's what it 38 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: boils down to, that we play games. 39 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: It's games to yourself, but believing it right because you 40 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 4: really do believe that you want closer in that moment, 41 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 4: but it's like you you still want to talk to this. 42 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 4: It's just a decision you made. Are you going to 43 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 4: You're not gonna with him? If you're not gonna fuck 44 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 4: with him, It's like what we're talking about, We've really 45 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 4: got none to say to each other. 46 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: That's what That's what Lucky Day was. 47 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: You know, Lucky was giving the real toxic boss. Okay, 48 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: trying to get that close with Lucky where you at romantically. 49 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: That's always a weird thing. 50 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: By the way, asked other men, here's. 51 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: The thing I was dating life, Like I would have said, 52 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: where you at with women right now? But I don't 53 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: know what everyone. I don't want to offend anyone. We 54 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: have to be so where are you at romantically? 55 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 5: I am in a very long term relationship? 56 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: Laugh? 57 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: You got to say the same, nervous laugh. 58 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 4: I wonder if I just you know, mother's gonna be 59 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 4: asking me about my. 60 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: Girlfriend on camera and ship usually, so. 61 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: You know, cameras are not here. Don't worry about the cameras. 62 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: They're not here, you know what I mean? But girlfriend, 63 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: I know, he said, why he asked that question. People 64 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: have asked me that when I was in a long 65 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: term relationship. I was like, don't ask me about my. 66 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: Girl, especially especially if y'all going through something at the moment. 67 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: It's kind of like you really don't want to talk 68 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: about your relationship ship. 69 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: Or when you want to keep ship private, Like that's 70 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: part of my life. I just don't. That's more so 71 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: I want to speak about more so what it iss 72 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: know enough about me, Like I don't want people to 73 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: get weird. Some things that be just you know what 74 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, but even outside of romantic, what 75 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: do you draw the line on, because you do get 76 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: very deep in your life as far as music, draw 77 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: the line on sort of ship And I'm not even 78 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: saying that the romantic parts period. No, I mean. 79 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: There's something that I battle with every day, you know 80 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Because it's like being a being an artist, 81 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: like you put so much out and then it's like 82 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 4: you running the motherfuckers. 83 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: Like they know you in a way where it's like, 84 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: but you actually don't know me. 85 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 4: You heard me say something about my life, so it's like, 86 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: it's cool that you're related to that, but we don't 87 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 4: know each other, so it's more to it. 88 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we po two times a week, three hours 89 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: each episode Ship talk about our entire lives. People come 90 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: on the street and really think that they know everything 91 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: about it. Be asked to say my mother's first name 92 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: talking about shit. I'm like, relax, but I guess that's 93 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: still our fault. 94 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the way of showing you that they're invested in. 95 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's it's it's like a blessing, right, 96 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 4: but it's still like you still just boundaries because you 97 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: want to be safe and you want to be you know, 98 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 4: you still need, you still. 99 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: Need, which that's just for me to know, you know 100 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: what I mean. So, but like you said, it's a 101 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: blessing because that means people are following you, they respect you, 102 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: they identify with you, and they just like sometimes you 103 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: can meet some that are like really cool and you 104 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: can tell that they really genuinely are like concern, like yo, 105 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: you're good man, Like you know what I'm saying that 106 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: type It's like, yeah, everything cool, you know what I mean. Like, 107 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: so it's appreciative, but sometimes it's a little invasive. 108 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially like a lot of my music, I'm talking 109 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 4: about ship that it's like that's where I'm talking about 110 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 4: it at I didn't say this in a song to 111 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 4: have to talk about it with a stranger. 112 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: You know, vantage I got it all past. 113 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: And now I'm I'm good and it's like, you know 114 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like with just as motherfuckers walk up 115 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 4: to you talking about all types of ship, that's like 116 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 4: you would never say that to somebody, you know what 117 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 4: I'm saying. 118 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: But it's like because they feel like they know. 119 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: You, it's like they feel comfortable sayings and they want 120 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: to show you that they're like a real fan, right, 121 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: really connected to this ship, and like, hey no, I 122 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: was really traumatic. I don't really want to talk. 123 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 4: About that that part, that part, you know what I'm saying, Like. 124 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: That song was me trying to deal with it. Ship 125 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: back up, all right, all right? But with that said, 126 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: can I tell you what I thought about the album? Hey? Man, 127 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: that's what I'm here for. Man tell me, I'm saying, 128 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: give me the in person. That was fucking crazy. The 129 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: theme I interpreted, just my interpretation, not what you were 130 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: trying to do, because obviously once you put it out, 131 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: it's no longer yours. It's up to interpretation and it 132 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: becomes somebody else's. Uh, you're nervous about this happiness, but 133 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: you're happy about being happy, so you don't really care. 134 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: It's an uneasy happiness. It's an untrustworthy happiness. I mean, 135 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: not something that's in there, but it's but I'm happy 136 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: to feel happy, right right. That's what I took from 137 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: that entire shit. And I had seen that you would 138 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: put you know, stuff out prior to it. Of previous 139 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: album was definitely deep and dark and dramatic and shit, 140 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: and you're like, people can be happy too, like, why 141 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: can't you expect me to just be depressed the rest 142 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: of my fucking life? Like I want to make some 143 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: happy shit as well, But the happiness also felt new 144 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: and uncertain, not uncertain, like it's not real. But I'm 145 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: not used to this feeling, So let me ease into 146 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: this to make sure this shit is real happiness. 147 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 4: It's strange, you know, Like dealing with dealing with some 148 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 4: of the shit we've experienced is like, you know, when 149 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 4: that Care for Me album was made, it was like 150 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 4: we weren't grieving. 151 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: The whole time, you know what I'm saying. It's like we. 152 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 4: Literally writing records to understand some shit that's not really understandable, 153 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So coming off of that, 154 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 4: I think I wanted to just make sure that people 155 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 4: understood that. It's like we do all of this shit, 156 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: like we grieve, but we also might go to the 157 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 4: club the next day. 158 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 159 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 4: It like it's all of it, you know what I'm saying, 160 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: It's all of it. Like I don't think there's anybody 161 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 4: on this planet that's just one thing. 162 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: But I think artists are so. 163 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 4: Boxed and branded to the point where it's like I 164 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: gotta wrap over pianos about. 165 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: Sash it for the rest of my career, you know 166 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 167 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 4: I'm just like, I'm not on that, so i want 168 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 4: to get it out of the way early, like let 169 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 4: motherfuckers know. Like it's like I'm gonna do all types 170 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 4: of weird shit experimental ship. 171 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm talking about whatever the fuck I want to talk 172 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: about and fuck with it. If you funk with it, 173 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: and if you don't, it's not for you. But if 174 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: you like the last album and listening to that, you 175 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You think that's why it took 176 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: was about three years between four it was. 177 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: Four, but I think it's far off of the technicality, 178 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. 179 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: And those two years, man, we should be saying, I 180 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: don't even count. Don't count people's bodies that they fed, 181 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: those don't count. It was the whole pandemic. Children, this pandemic, 182 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: babies walking the their body, don't count the baby county. 183 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: That's But with that time, I guess, yeah, did you 184 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: need in that grieving process to not or to write 185 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: music but not want to put out the same ship 186 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna make part two of Care for Me, 187 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: because I'm still so close to that feeling that I 188 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: was at that time. Did you need time to just live? 189 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: And ships? 190 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 4: To me, it's like even when we was making Care 191 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: for Me, it was other records that we was making, 192 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, That didn't sound like that 193 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 4: at all, But I think you know, when I'm when 194 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 4: I'm working on albums and ship, it's like I really 195 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 4: want to be concise and like I wanted to feel 196 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: really natural, like every progression, you know what I'm saying, 197 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 4: that the actual curation of the album is really important 198 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 4: to me. 199 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: So we spent a lot of time with that shit. 200 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 4: So a lot of songs that I made around the 201 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 4: Care for Me error that were like lighter or something 202 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 4: like that, like if I had a dollar, for instance. 203 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 4: That's the song off the new record that we started 204 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 4: before the last album was even done. But we just 205 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 4: worked on the Ship for years until you know what 206 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 4: I'm saying, We figured, hey, it's a pandemic. We got 207 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 4: time to get the old shit to the new level now, 208 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 4: and you know what I'm saying, just work on it 209 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 4: like that. But I don't know, just as it pertains 210 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 4: to the grieving and the relationship to music. It's like 211 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 4: it's theirs prominent, but it's also so much other shit 212 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 4: that we. 213 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some fun in life, some fun very little. 214 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how to press you. It depends on 215 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: the life exactly listen bit to press people be having 216 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: some of the most quote unquote fun you can ever have. 217 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: I was just talking with Demaris when we went out 218 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: to the club the other night. I viewed that as 219 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking at two of the most depressed people ever 220 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: with the biggest smile on their face, and they had 221 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: more fun than anyone in La that and. 222 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: About the end of club. I don't think it's that bad. 223 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 2: I don't think everybody's just walking around depressed. I do 224 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: think that we all have been depressed at some point, 225 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: but now it's a lot of people don't even know 226 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: how to identify because there's like function in depression where 227 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: he's in such a routine every day to do what 228 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: you're doing, and you don't even realize, like, bro, I'm 229 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: not even happy, you know what I mean, Like before 230 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 2: you can sit down and really think like it's like 231 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: I'm just going through this shit. And I find that 232 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: with artists a lot of the times when they are depressed, 233 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: they make their greatest work. And it's fucked up to 234 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: say that, you know what I mean, But we. 235 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: Have the proof stuff. 236 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: Look at a lot of artists when they were heartbroken, 237 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: when they were you know, grieving, when they were going 238 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: through a lot of these things, it's like such beautiful 239 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: art was created. So it's like, what emotion is that 240 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: that we are able to tap into as humans when 241 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: we're depressed, to where we can create such beautiful art, 242 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: not necessarily able to tap into when we're happy. 243 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 6: Am my happiest I'd say, in my happiest states, I'm 244 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 6: not even making music. I don't even have to think 245 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 6: about you know what I'm saying. The music, I mean, 246 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 6: I've had like. 247 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 4: Great sessions, happy session, you know what I'm saying. But 248 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 4: a lot of times the music is it happens when 249 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 4: you when you know you just got shipped, to say, 250 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 4: you got ship on your mind, and that don't always 251 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 4: got to be something bad. You can have something great 252 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 4: that happens on your mind. But it's like just having 253 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 4: having that like that, Like I feel like when I'm 254 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 4: when I'm my happiest, it's clear up there, Okay, so 255 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily trying to hit the studio when my 256 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: brain is finally clear. 257 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that's I guess to his point of artists 258 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: make the best music when they're fucking miserable. But it's 259 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: not because it's not interchangeable. 260 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: We're having some ship on my mind, and having some 261 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 4: ship to say is not the same as being because 262 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 4: I can have some good, great shit on my mind, 263 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 4: I can have my family on my mind, or I 264 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 4: can have you know what I'm saying, Like it could 265 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 4: be literally anything like you know what I'm saying, Like, 266 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 4: it's so many great R and B like love songs 267 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 4: and shit where the motherfuckers is just in love and 268 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 4: in the studio. You know what I'm saying, There's nothing 269 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 4: sad about it. It's pure happiness, pure bliss, you know 270 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Like with your partner, you know what 271 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 4: I'm saying. But you know, it's just it's just different. 272 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 4: They knew how they felt about, you know, or the 273 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 4: songwriter whoever, how they felt about whatever. 274 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: We were talking about, black and white and gray areas 275 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: and everything. Why is there not more great area music? 276 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: I feel like there's either. Even with RB, It's like 277 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm all the way in love, or it's a breakup record, 278 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: or it's a he ain't shit record or terrible And 279 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: then with rap, so I feel like it's I'm super depressed, 280 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm going through this, I'm going through that, or I'm celebrating, 281 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: I'm rich. Everything's amazing, we came up everything. Where's the 282 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: great era of music of just like, yo, I'm doing that. 283 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 1: I feel okay, I feel like good. It's not that 284 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: I feel like it's hell a great area. You gotta 285 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: you gotta. 286 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 4: Look past the songs and look into the bars, because 287 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 4: there's a lot of. 288 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: Songs where it's like I'm getting this. 289 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 4: Money, I'm uh fucking whoever were out we popping? But 290 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: also we you know what I'm saying, We we had 291 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 4: to do whatever the fuck or we my homie dodging whatever. 292 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like it's like it's just mixed. 293 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: Yeah it's me. 294 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 4: And I think it gets to a point where it's 295 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 4: like a lot of rap its like it's such a 296 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: like stream of what it's a stream of conconsciousness where 297 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 4: it's like, you know, you might be writing some shiit 298 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 4: thinking about a fun night you had at the club, 299 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 4: or some shit like that, and you're talking about that 300 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 4: and how it was, but also the homie getting out 301 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 4: the joint or the homie in in the situation, or 302 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 4: we had to do this to be where we at, 303 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 4: or some shit like that. Like I think of like 304 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: future and ship like that, and it's like a nigga 305 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 4: saying a lot of real shit while also say. 306 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: And a lot of you know, I'm the advocate that 307 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: the future has been screaming for help forever. We just 308 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: we just be dancing screaming for help. 309 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 4: Most niggas are though at this point, it's like I 310 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 4: feel like most people, you know what I'm saying, A 311 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 4: lot of the prominent artists who you know what I'm saying, 312 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 4: what we listen to every day. It's like it's all 313 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 4: types of messages and that ship for sure, But these 314 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 4: niggas is human, so you know what I'm saying, not 315 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 4: like having that having that flash and don't necessarily change 316 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 4: the relationship to humanity. 317 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: And that's where chords sucking up, Like you could really 318 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: want to be screaming for help, but if you put 319 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: it on a cord that catches. 320 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: Somebody like this is a great beautiful record, like nos 321 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: is not doing okay, we should check on this person. 322 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: You brought up family and I know your grandfather's is 323 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: on the cover. H yeah, where where was that tie 324 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: in an idea? I don't want to use the term 325 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: concept albums. I think that's weird and just putting some 326 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: ship in a box. But where was that tied end 327 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: to what you were? 328 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 4: What boxes? A concept album? 329 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: Is that? 330 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 4: Like the new Like I don't know much about like 331 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: what people's connotation and concept album is. 332 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: I feel like I guess the last example of it 333 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: where people tried to do it was Good Get Mad City. 334 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: I think people try to put that concept album label 335 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: on it because each interlude kind of told the story 336 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: throughout the entire album, and each song was connected somehow 337 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: to the interlude that was going on, which I guess 338 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: would make it a concept album. But I'm not going 339 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: to be the deciding factor on what it is. 340 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, But I just never heard I ACTD because I 341 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 4: never heard, like I know, like conscious rapper or something 342 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 4: like that. 343 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: That's some shit that can have like negative connotation or 344 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: some shit like well, it depends, it depends the artists, 345 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: depends the artist. But I never heard concept album be 346 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: talked about that way. So I just was asking, do 347 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: you think was that kind of in your head for 348 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: that story to be told with the records from what 349 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: you had with your family, and yeah, I think being 350 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: involved in the entire concept album and you know I 351 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: had an idea, I had a. 352 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: Concept was a Yeah, some concept had an idea and 353 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: this is what you painted and it's how you drew 354 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: it out. 355 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 4: But it's not a concept album if like whoever's watching 356 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 4: this has a negative like, oh this concept. 357 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: No, I don't think there's a negative annotation to it. 358 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: It was the good type of concept. I just feel 359 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: like the nerdier side of of Reddit will be like, oh, 360 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: look at how this interlude went with this record. He 361 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: told the story the whole way. It's actually probably more 362 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: of a compliment than anything. 363 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 364 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like that kind of boxes in 365 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: the album where it's like, oh, you can't listen to 366 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: just if I want to go listen just to track seven, 367 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: you can't do that. That's where the negative connotation. You 368 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: got to do track one to thirteen nothing, You're gonna 369 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: lose the story. Yeah, which is weird because that's where 370 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: I was like, good kid, Mad City isn't like I 371 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: could just go listen to track four. Yeah, yeah, And 372 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: I think someone could try to make the case on 373 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: a blog that, oh, look at the concept you can't 374 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: listen to this album when you're starting at one, and 375 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: it's like, mmm, I think that's how music is made. 376 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: But where was with music with your family to those records? 377 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: Did you have that concept in mind when creating each 378 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: record that it would be tied to whatever story you 379 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: were trying to tell with grandfather or uncle everyone that 380 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: was nothing came it came. It came along like after 381 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: working on it. You know, a lot of. 382 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 4: These songs had existed on different levels, and it was 383 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 4: working on working on an intro, I fucking around said 384 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 4: some shit that I thought was hellda profound, and I 385 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 4: was just like, which part I said, when. 386 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: Granny fall for her property, she would turn down any costs. 387 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 4: And then I said, I'm the grand sound of Carl 388 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 4: And I didn't really know where I was even going 389 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 4: with that, but it ended up connecting, like like it 390 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 4: just gave so much context to everything else that I 391 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 4: felt like I said on the album that I said 392 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 4: that line, and I immediately I wrote down like I 393 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 4: was like, see your granddad will be the album coming. 394 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: He said no. He said no a few times to me. 395 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: Why do you think he said? 396 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 4: Know though, Uh, it's unwanted attention, you know what I'm saying. 397 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: And he's not like no old grumpy. 398 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 4: Grumpy old man, and he like a super happy like 399 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, like fun like granddad and ship. 400 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: But I just don't think he wanted to you know 401 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 402 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 4: And I thought long and hard about that too before 403 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 4: before putting that type of image out, just because it's like, 404 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 4: you know, it's it's so personal where it's so close 405 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 4: and connected to our household. But to me, it felt 406 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 4: it felt important like that I look at the image 407 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: and that feels like the album to me, is like 408 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 4: a lot of the ship that I felt like I 409 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 4: was going through when I was thinking about the lyrics. 410 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: To the album. My granddad. 411 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 4: I was raised by my grandparents, and it just felt 412 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 4: like ship that they they had to experience on a 413 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 4: different level, you know what I'm saying. So it's like 414 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 4: it's not like it's a new story that I'm telling 415 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 4: on a few good things. It's something that I feel like, 416 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 4: you know, there's a version that y'all have. There's a 417 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 4: version that my granddad has. There's a version that my uncle. 418 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Everybody who I feel like 419 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 4: came before me has a version of that. 420 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: Do they fully understand everything that's going on? 421 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: Do you think? 422 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: Nah? They came to some shows though. My grandparents are 423 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: super supportive. They look they the. 424 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 4: Type of of people. They We had the studio in 425 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 4: their basement from when I was damn there eight eight 426 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 4: nine years old until as recent as I'm trying to 427 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 4: think when I did my first album twenty sixteen. I 428 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 4: think I moved out twenty seventeen. But from when I 429 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 4: was eighteen to twenty seventeen, we were just working in 430 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 4: that basement and they was comfortable. 431 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: With like you know what I'm saying that we had niggas. 432 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 4: All throughout, all throughout the crib, just recording. I was 433 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 4: engineering for people and producing for people. I was doing everything. 434 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 4: Like we really turned dow that basement into like a 435 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 4: like a studio for real, for real. 436 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: And they was just and. 437 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: Your grandparents weren't like into music and now. 438 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,719 Speaker 4: Not really not really, they were just happy because we 439 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 4: weren't on the street. Yeah, you know what, I'm saying, 440 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 4: So anytime the homies would pull up and ship like 441 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 4: they they wanted that, they welcomed that because it's like, Okay, 442 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 4: you knew Yea was safe. 443 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they knew it was safely in the house, you 444 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. 445 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 4: So that was that was really the probably one of 446 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 4: the biggest things that got us to you know, this point, 447 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: was just that. 448 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: Type of support system. You know what I'm saying. That's 449 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: not something that I was I will ever take for granted, 450 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They really did hold us down. 451 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 2: So the album couple was really like you telling your 452 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 2: grandfather like thank you, you know what I mean. And 453 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: I think, you know, probably for him, he probably was 454 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 2: like you know what you're thinking me for I did 455 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: what I was supposed to do, you know what I mean. 456 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: I've created a safe space for my grandson that, you know, 457 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 2: chase his dreams and create his art in a safe space. 458 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: Like so putting me on the album cover is like 459 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: too much. It's like I don't want to. I was like, yo, 460 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: I don't need all of that, Like you, my grandson, 461 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: I love you'all. Was supposed to do what I did, 462 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 2: But that's a very humbling thing for you to do. 463 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: Like being the cover of an album is like that's 464 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: nothing to you know round out that's like a big deal. 465 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 4: Yeah no, that shit has fired to me, and it's 466 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 4: just so important. Like the images him in front of 467 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 4: his mom's house on the West Side of Chicago and 468 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 4: you know it's abandoned now or whatever, but I just 469 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: wanted I just really wanted to capture that because it's like, 470 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 4: you know, when I think of being out here and 471 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 4: being disconnected from my family at home and just how 472 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 4: many years and like just you know, ship is so different. 473 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 4: It's like I look at the image and it's like 474 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 4: you immediately are brought back to like this sense of 475 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 4: like just memory and nostalgia and everything. And that's like 476 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 4: when I feel like when I listen to the album, 477 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 4: that's something that's like all throughout there, you know, do. 478 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: You need moving out to LA and did you kind 479 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: of need to be back in Chicago to make that 480 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: for context. 481 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: I've I've made all of my albums, i think, outside 482 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 4: of Chicago because it's easier to talk about Chicago when 483 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 4: you're not in it, because it's like, yeah, but I 484 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 4: can get that. I've become more observant because it's like 485 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 4: you're able to see the difference. 486 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: You able to see the difference. 487 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 4: Like one of the things, like I remember when I 488 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 4: was working on I was working on Care for Me, 489 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 4: and one of the one of the observations that I mean. 490 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: I always heard about it. 491 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 4: It was just how the West Side Chicago and really 492 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 4: got no grass, And I mean we got you know 493 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, We got grass, But I wrote that 494 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 4: the grass. 495 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: Was splotchy, and that was what you're talking. 496 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 4: I've seen splotchy grass and that was something that I 497 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 4: felt like Because I wrote that and I was in 498 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 4: Oakland looking at all these like different types of ones, 499 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 4: I was immediately reminded like, oh. 500 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: This shit looked different, you know what I'm saying. 501 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 4: You notice things that you might not notice when you 502 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 4: it's just every day because you're in it, right, and. 503 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: You can't realize you miss ship or have certain observations 504 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: until you're not in that exact. 505 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: Vid Like a relationship, you don't know you love until 506 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 2: you leave your girl and cheot on them right damn now. 507 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: But if you think about it, like you go out 508 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: like this is why I need to stay in my 509 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: relationship because it's not crazy exactly. 510 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: Don't get enough credit. But we'll talk about that another 511 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 3: I need to go back. 512 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: To my spotty grass over here. We're talking about it 513 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: right at camera. It's him. It's not you miss it's 514 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: more Oh man, that's funny. Oh because I was about 515 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: to get into more depression, but this just made it 516 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: more funnier. Okay, I don't want to get into that 517 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to talk about when you brought 518 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: up your grandparents, it's whatever y'all want to talk about it. 519 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: This is just there's gonna be no structure to this. 520 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: This won't be a concept album. Which is one of 521 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: my favorite bars, was on the outro, actually the last verse, 522 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: and we were talking about your grandfather in that regard, 523 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: all the money is a myth, is a sunken abyss, 524 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: but necessary for the family to have somewhere to live. 525 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: So you stuck making decisions more than some wouldn't get 526 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: the baggage that come with the bag. Hope you're not 527 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: fumbling it. That was one of the other bars I've 528 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: heard this year. I appreciate it. That's hard. That is 529 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: hard explain it because I get it. I just want 530 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: to gus, but yeah, it was feeling like it. But 531 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: that but now that one set And by the way, 532 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: he tried to trick us, remember the old albums, like 533 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: when the last record was stopped and it'd be quiet 534 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: for a little while, and then you just left your 535 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: CD player on and then hope would come with a 536 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: whole other album. I had that ship playing when it dropped, 537 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: I thought him in black thought was done. I was like, 538 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: that was fucking incredible. Then all of a sudden he 539 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: started killing shit again, like damn, the bag does come 540 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: with baggage. Right, of course, no I felt that, But 541 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: that's kind of the crazy shit of like ambition and 542 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: trying to get things that we don't know anything about. 543 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: That's the weird concept of mind that we try to 544 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: chase things we know nothing about yet, right right, and 545 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: then you get to it and you don't realize what 546 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: the fuck comes with it. The story of this album. 547 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Every artist that I know, and I don't even think 548 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: it's it's particular to ouris. I think it's a people 549 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: then yeah, that's true, that's true. It's you know, as 550 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: an artist, I can speak to that for sure. 551 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 4: I don't really know people, but to me when I 552 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 4: when I think of when I think of that line, 553 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 4: it's like. 554 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: It's so much shit. 555 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 4: It's like it's like the conflict, the conflict of all 556 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 4: the artists or like you say, all of the people. 557 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: It's like, you gotta do. 558 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: What's best for you, and it's like subjective, what's going 559 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 4: to be best for you? Yeah, all of your decisions 560 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 4: and your career and shit. It's like you can have 561 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 4: somebody telling you it's like you got to do this 562 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 4: in order to succeed, but it's a million examples of 563 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 4: somebody doing the opposite and being successful. 564 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: And vice versa. So you really got to just make 565 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: your own decisions. 566 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 4: But it's like once you once you make those choices, 567 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 4: each choice that you make past that, it feels like 568 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 4: it's so much heavier. Yeah, because now it's like I've 569 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 4: been on a roll. I can't fuck up this next 570 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 4: choice or all of these people that are holding me 571 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 4: up in this high regard and all of this family 572 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 4: that's dependent on me, and all of these people that 573 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 4: I'm helping. It's like every choice be feeling like it's 574 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 4: going to be the end of it all. It's also 575 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 4: not your choice anymore. It becomes the choice and results 576 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 4: of everyone else. Yeah, but why don't we put that 577 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 4: pressure though? 578 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: It's made up? It's made up so much is it 579 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: made up? 580 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 3: Though? 581 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: Because that's that's real, tangible shit when you're when other 582 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: people are depending on you. And I think the pressure 583 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: is what's made up. 584 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 4: I think, or not not the pressure, but the the 585 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 4: kind of idea that if you make one wrong choice, 586 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 4: everything is gonna crumble. 587 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: I think that's the part that's made up, like. 588 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 4: Right right, right, right right, And it's like especially like 589 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just be feeling like like this 590 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 4: ship is like music and chasing this dream and shit 591 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 4: and be feeling so fickle where it's like, at any 592 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 4: point somebody can pull the you know what I'm saying, 593 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 4: pull the ground right from below you, and then it's like. 594 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: And you leave with nothing. 595 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 4: So that to me is like what I think about 596 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 4: when I think of just this whole album and the 597 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 4: type of pressure that I felt like I was experiencing 598 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 4: it what I wanted to talk about. I just wanted 599 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 4: to be transparent with everything that I was thinking at 600 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 4: the time, because I'm like Nigga, I got so many people. 601 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: Count on this ship. 602 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know it's it's cool every step of 603 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 4: the way. 604 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I got a strong support system, but it's. 605 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 4: Like taking on their burdens right right right, And that's 606 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 4: something that I feel like all throughout this album, I 607 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 4: was just dealing with like I got therapy and everything, 608 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 4: like I'm just like I gotta I gotta. 609 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: Figure this ship out. 610 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 3: Oh you had to, like you had to really take 611 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: therapy for it. 612 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a therapy. I mean I wanted to 613 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: do I wanted to do therapy. I was at home pandemic. 614 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 4: I was like it was something that I had been 615 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 4: hearing great things about for years and years and years. 616 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: I did it and it was fine. Yeah. Absolutely. What's 617 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 1: what's the biggest thing you took out of therapy? Yeah? 618 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: And then also was my second question is what's the 619 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: number one thing you learned that you felt like this 620 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: is the biggest wins of money ever? All right, Damn 621 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: they're so different, like different. I feel both of those 622 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: things in therapy often say the second part again, what's 623 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: the first What's what's the biggest thing you took from therapy? 624 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't even need to be regards to the album, 625 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: just your life. And then what's the number one thing 626 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: while using therapy. It's the biggest waste of money I've 627 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: ever done. 628 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 4: I don't know, we be talking about some ship, bro, 629 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 4: like we really be talking about some shit. 630 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: I would say. What I learned is like I just 631 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: become more confident in my in my own shit, you 632 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. 633 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 4: Like I feel like a lot of times it's like 634 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 4: it's real easy as an artist because it's like you 635 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 4: got at any given moment, you got probably like sixteen 636 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 4: people telling you what you should do. 637 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like that could be done. 638 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 4: It that right, right, but that could be the Internet, 639 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 4: that could be team, that could be your family, that could. 640 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: Be like you know what I'm saying, Like just at 641 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: any different you know what I'm saying, And for me. 642 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 4: To me, one of one of the most important things 643 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 4: that therapy did for me is it just made that 644 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 4: shit clear because it's like I feel like, naturally, I'm 645 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 4: just the type of nigga that's like, if you know 646 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, I'm not trying to let nobody down. 647 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: Feel like I'm I'm naturally a type of nigga that 648 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: I want to make people happy. 649 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. So for me, that was 650 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 4: the that was step number one. It's like all of 651 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 4: that ship is irrelevant if I'm if I'm not happy, 652 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 4: if I'm making decisions that's detrimental to my own will. 653 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So for me, number one was like I gotta stop. 654 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 4: People, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm just if 655 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 4: I go out there and follow my ass, I'm comfortable now. Like, 656 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 4: because I'm gonna follow my ass is me, you know 657 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So that's That's one of the things that. 658 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: I got from therapy. 659 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 4: I ain't really run into I got great therapists, bro, 660 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 4: I ain't really run into feeling like it was a 661 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 4: waste of money just yet, like I feel good when 662 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 4: I leave therapy. 663 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: I had. 664 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 4: I mean, I've had moments like I talked to him 665 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 4: like it's a black woman for sure, it's a black woman. 666 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 4: For I've had moments where I felt like I'm saying 667 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 4: the same ship over and over again. But that's more 668 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 4: to me rather than the actual job that they're doing. 669 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: Like I just be kind of having the same shit 670 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: to say anytime I start rambling. And I love therapy, 671 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: love it. Anytime I get my bag for real and 672 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: getting some real dark shit, and she just says, what worry, 673 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: this is something you don't have to figure out for yourself. 674 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: What the fuck am I pain? You're supposed to give 675 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: me the answer, but when you brought up I won't 676 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: do what's best for you, and you're trying to figure 677 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: that part out. My biggest fear in that, which I've 678 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: talked about in therapy, is I'm not gonna know if 679 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: it's best for me until I see it through. And 680 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: that's my biggest fear of how long it's going to 681 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: take to see it through and I'm gonna get to 682 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: the end of it and realize this was not for me. 683 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: And I just put this much time, energy, my entire 684 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: mental distance into something that I'm now going to resent eventually. 685 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: And that just come with the game my life. 686 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 4: It's just moments that you got to just eat, like damn, 687 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 4: I wasted three months, Like damn, I you know this hour? 688 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's that's the type of 689 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: ship where it's like, I don't. 690 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 4: Know, it's hard to put much more into that because 691 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 4: that's not something you got control over the outcome. 692 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: That's true, I do have control of how I'm a 693 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: feel over that ship though, right right right, And I 694 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: know how I get so that's why I be nervous. 695 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: You wish you found your therapists earlier in your life, 696 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 2: or you feel like it was like the right. 697 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: It was the right time. It was the right time 698 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: because I had the time for it. 699 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 4: I didn't get into therapy until we was all at 700 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 4: home and quarantine and ship, where I was just you know, like, oh, 701 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 4: I'm sitting here, might as well try to do that, 702 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, but before that it 703 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 4: wouldn't have worked for me because it was just too fast. 704 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: You feel like that's something that a lot of black men, 705 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: specifically in Chicago, shit should do. 706 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 4: I think black people universally should go to therapy, should 707 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 4: go to therapy, even just for a minute, to see 708 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 4: what it's about, see what the hype is about. 709 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: But I think. 710 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 4: Therapy is one of those things. But as much as 711 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 4: I want to recommend mend it to people, it's really like, 712 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 4: I don't really know how to find a good therapist. 713 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: I think I got lucky. 714 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 4: But I think your relationship with therapy is going to 715 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 4: depend on who is doing your therapy. 716 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: And also what you want to do with it. It's 717 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: therapy is kind of the reflection of literally everything that 718 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: you do. What you put in is what the result 719 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: is really going to be. Like you could sit there 720 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: and talk to the greatest therapists of all time, and 721 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: if you don't really want to put the work in 722 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: and really get to it, mm hmm, it's going to 723 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: be like anything else you could be with the greatest 724 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,479 Speaker 1: producer of als. I could walk in with doctor Dre, 725 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: but if I don't want to put the work in, 726 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: not really gonna get shit right, right, right, No, it 727 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: is very similar similar, So. 728 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: It's kindly the same. It sounds like the same as 729 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: what your life for me, I suppose, Like I mean, 730 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 2: it got to be somebody that you're willing to open 731 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 2: up to talk to communicate, be honest, and you know, 732 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 2: be willing to learn from. Because I've talked to hery 733 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: all the time about it, Like I'm actively trying to 734 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: find a therapist, you know what I mean. Like that's 735 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 2: something that I wanted to do for a long time 736 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 2: because I dealt with some things, you know, just in life, 737 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I know that that affected the way 738 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 2: years later I felt about this or how I approach 739 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: certain situations now, didn't going through things business wise that 740 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 2: we went through, and emotions and things that was going 741 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: through my head, and I was trying to identify, like 742 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: because the brain is so unique and it's like one 743 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: thing will spark so many other things and you don't 744 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: even understand it sometimes like what the fuck, Like that's 745 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: not even me, Like I don't even normally feel or 746 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 2: think like that. So with therapy, I think that that's 747 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 2: something that will help you identify faster, like this is why. 748 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 2: I mean, you never really dealt with that, or you 749 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 2: never really spoke about that or got rid of that 750 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,479 Speaker 2: energy and things like that. And I feel like coming 751 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: from a city like Chicago, a lot of you know, 752 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 2: the inner city kids, they experienced so much trauma and 753 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 2: shit early. They don't even understand it though as adults 754 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 2: that it's because of something they witnessed when they was seven, eight, 755 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: nine years old. Now that they're grown men twenty eight, 756 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 2: twenty nine to thirty years old, it still affects them 757 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 2: and they're walking around with this energy and it's just 758 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 2: like they don't even understand it. Whereas you know, find 759 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 2: a good therapist and you're able to release that and 760 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 2: then find your creative bag and be a better person 761 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 2: and you know, build bomb stronger bonds with your family 762 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 2: and heal from certain things that the family had to 763 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 2: deal with and things like that. It's just something that 764 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 2: I think is dope when I see young black men 765 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 2: saying openly like yeah, nah, therapy, Like, I'm definitely, I'm 766 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 2: definitely with it. 767 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,439 Speaker 1: There's so much music coming out of every single city. 768 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: I feel like you get one version of that city 769 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: right now from the major markets. I feel like Chicago, 770 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: you could get so many different perspectives of that city. 771 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: With the biggest artists. Of course, every city will say 772 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: we have a bunch of artists, you just don't know 773 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: about them. The bigger ones are given the perspective of the city. 774 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: But there's also people talking about this side of the city. 775 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: We're not all this, We're not all that. Chicago with 776 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: everything from drill to chance to you like, it's the 777 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: most complete city when it comes to a human perspective 778 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: music wise. And do you think that has to do 779 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: with because all of y'all are still cool too, there's 780 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: no split. I appreciate it in other cities where it's 781 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: like if you're on this side of just talking about 782 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: street shit for your this side just talking about regular 783 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: day life shit. There is no connection between anyone right 784 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: like Chance and Vic fucked with Turbo Dirk, everybody you 785 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: had herbal on the album, Like Chicago to me represents 786 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: exactly what a full city should sound like. We're all 787 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 1: different perspectives, but we all coexist because we're all from 788 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: the same area. I feel like it. And now New 789 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: York now just I'm talking major artists. I know they're 790 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: gonna kill me on the internet, like, oh, you don't 791 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: know about this person from Atlanta this way it's like, no, 792 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm only talking about what is in the high Spotify 793 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: a list shit. Unfortunately, right right Chicago, I I don't 794 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: think it's the credit and they have been doing it 795 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: for a while because I even think with Kanye giving 796 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: more of the backpack type of shit down to Chief 797 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: keep coming after that. It's stayed that way. Y'all are 798 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: consistent in having every perspective where I feel like cities 799 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: don't do that shit no more Like right now in 800 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: New York the drill shit is killing, which I love, 801 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: but that's not all New York City. But that's all 802 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: that's coming out of there at all, Like you're not 803 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: going to get another perspective of Brooklyn right now. 804 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's only pushing. 805 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 1: And Atlanta, I don't. I think you're only getting because 806 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: and I love QC, but you're going to get the 807 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 1: QC perspective of what Atlanta is right now. Of course 808 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: you get the Earth Gangs and and everybody, but that 809 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: doesn't get pushed the same way. I think Chicago does 810 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: the best balance period. 811 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 4: I appreciate that as a Chicago artist. 812 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think niggas is just. 813 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 7: It's like I said in the last question, it's like 814 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 7: an unspoken language where it's like, I think the only 815 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 7: difference between most Chicago artists is their perspective. 816 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like we're. 817 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 4: Talking about the ship we see happening around us. We 818 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 4: talk about the ship we see being done and ship 819 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 4: in the in the hood or whatever, and other motherfuckers 820 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 4: talking about the ship they doing in the hook. 821 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 822 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 4: But it's just the perspective that is the line of 823 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 4: what's what's different about it. So I feel like a 824 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 4: lot of times we're able to understand each other on 825 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 4: that on that front. 826 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: But it's really that perspective. But I mean, I don't know, 827 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 1: I think a lot of. 828 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 4: A lot of places to me, like I can, I 829 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 4: can look in I could, I could, I could see that. 830 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 4: It's really just about like it's like niggas just want 831 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 4: one one thing from from a place or from a 832 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 4: from a sound. 833 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like it's not exclusive 834 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: where it's like you one thing. 835 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 4: And I think that's something that for so long, it's 836 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 4: like I don't feel like people understand. 837 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: It's like people come. 838 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 4: Out like I got to be this, I gotta be this, 839 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 4: I gotta do I can only work with this type 840 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 4: of artist, and it's like we're. 841 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: Just pushing shit. 842 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 4: Like it's like I want to like as an artist, 843 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 4: my my thing has always been like I want to 844 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 4: work with people I'm a fan of. Like I know, 845 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 4: niggas don't think I just sit and listen if I 846 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 4: can me all that, Like I you know, I listen 847 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 4: to Keith, I listen. I listen to all types of 848 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 4: I listen to all type of shit. 849 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: So it's like that's who I would want to work with. 850 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 4: And I think in terms of putting it out it 851 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 4: just feels more complete because it's like, now you've got 852 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 4: two unique perspectives on one track. 853 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: You know. 854 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of the times too, it 855 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 2: with being from certain cities, Like if you're from Chicago, 856 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 2: obviously the drill music is what people out that have 857 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 2: never been in Chicago would identify it from Chicago's the 858 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 2: drill shit. But I think a lot of the times 859 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 2: because even like you know Jay's famous line, I wanted 860 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 2: to truth be told, the wont to rhymes like common sense. 861 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 2: I sold five mil I ain't ben ryming like common sense. 862 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 3: It's like I feel like. 863 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 2: Even a lot of the drill artists, a lot of 864 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 2: them do when they first introduced. 865 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: To the art of hip hop. 866 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 2: They are more conscience, more liricol more you know what 867 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 2: I'm saying. But you know, your environment starts to develop 868 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 2: a sound and the language. 869 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: To deal with niggas in the hood being like listening 870 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: to that shit. 871 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 2: Right right, And I think a lot of the times 872 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 2: artists suppress their real like sound like I really don't 873 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 2: want to make this type. 874 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,919 Speaker 1: Of shit, but that's what it is, right. 875 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 2: That's the sound of the city right there, you know 876 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But I really want to get on 877 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 2: this type of shit, and I think somewhere in that 878 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 2: is how we end up with a lot. 879 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 3: Of artists. 880 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,240 Speaker 2: Quote unquote being mad at the industry when they blow 881 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 2: as this type of artist like it take off and 882 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 2: then they stuck with that, and it's like, but I 883 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 2: really don't even want to do this. 884 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: Is why I wanted to get it out the way 885 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: from the gate. You know what I'm saying. 886 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 4: With this album, I'm like, let me put like my 887 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 4: first single was a song called Fearmonger, and it's like 888 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 4: the most left shit from the last album. 889 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 1: But I just like my thing is like I want to. 890 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 4: Keep creating as much space as I can to just 891 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 4: do whatever the fuck I want to do right, and 892 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 4: I want my fan base to understand that and to 893 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 4: respect that. 894 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: And to enjoy it. You know what I'm saying. 895 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 4: Hopefully you know what I'm saying that if they don't, 896 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 4: it is what it is, right, But I think you 897 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Had I had I come out 898 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,919 Speaker 4: and the first thing sounded like the last thing, They're 899 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 4: not immediately that for the rest of my career, right. 900 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 4: But it's like I'm you know, at every every step 901 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,800 Speaker 4: of the way that I could. You know what I'm saying, 902 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 4: go left on the thing going right, I'm gonna go left, 903 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like go Northland. 904 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's just doing what I 905 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 1: want to do and shit that I think is cool. 906 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: Did you feel pressure to do twenty twelve then off 907 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 1: prom king of just all right we kind of need 908 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: was one of the best at doing the storyteller shit. 909 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 4: Now the storyteller shit is to me, that's like one 910 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 4: of the most prominent things in any anything that I do. 911 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying where that feels like me 912 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 4: that don't necessarily feel like care for me. Yeah, I 913 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 4: feel like the ship that I had before that like 914 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, because that's how I That's 915 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 4: how I enjoy to write. That's like the easiest and 916 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 4: most natural way for me to write is just to 917 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 4: you know, beginning middle in you. 918 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 8: Know, a plot, a piece of shit Togeah and doing 919 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 8: two was one probably the first records where it was like, 920 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 8: once we made that, it was like, this is definitely 921 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 8: going on the album, you know what I'm saying. 922 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: So it wasn't I didn't feel like pressure to make 923 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: that record. That was a record that that's probably one 924 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: of the easiest records to let me know, let me 925 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: reask the question, Yeah, pressure not to do it, pressure 926 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: not to do it, because you could get put in 927 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: that box of we have to do the storyteller ship Noah, because. 928 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 4: To me, it was like it was an indie rock 929 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 4: like it's like a new vibe, like I haven't. 930 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: Done haven't done very much to the storyteller, prompting the 931 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: storyteller shit I do. 932 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like it's still it's still pushing something 933 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 4: for it where it's like, this is a new bag 934 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 4: that I haven't you know what I'm saying, I haven't 935 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 4: showcased that I also can make this type of song, 936 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, despite it still like maybe 937 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 4: the feeling of it is similar, but it's still like, 938 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 4: now we went into this to intentionally, you know, go 939 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 4: from this level to this, you know what I'm saying, 940 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 4: still pushing some type of boundary creatively. 941 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 1: Was your girl mad that you rapped about how much 942 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: you liked the girl in twenty twelve? No, my girl, 943 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,439 Speaker 1: she is the girl. Oh, it's her, Okay, it's my bad. 944 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: Oh damn you really in a long cerme relationship, man, 945 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: you want to talk about it. But she sounded amazing 946 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: in this song. Come on, man, how old you? I'm 947 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: twenty seven? That's crazy. I'm twenty seven. Year before the pandemic, 948 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't twenty seven. That's wold. I know I turned out. 949 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 3: I'm not less sol with that off. 950 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: I know what he's saying. 951 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 2: O lord, I said before the pandemic, I wasn't twenty. 952 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 2: None of us were like before two years, like, we're 953 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,399 Speaker 2: all growing older. 954 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just crazy to grow older in your crib. 955 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: I turned thirty, Nigga, you growing I grew two years. 956 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 4: With no new experiences, Like, what the it was a 957 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 4: new experience? 958 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 3: No, it was definitely. 959 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 2: It was definitely a new experience for all of us 960 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,240 Speaker 2: because I was wiping cereal boxes, monigga. I never wiped 961 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 2: down a serial box a day in my life, and 962 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,800 Speaker 2: so wipe down everything about that Well, look what what 963 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 2: what were we doing at that moment? 964 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: I was changing. I would leave in a pair of 965 00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: clothes and come in. 966 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 3: Like the door at the door. 967 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, crazy fucking time. But we survived that ship. 968 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,399 Speaker 2: Though we survived that ship. 969 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's loading right right. See Sam, I went 970 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: in that ship in my twenties and came out with 971 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,839 Speaker 1: my thirties. Do you know what that feels like? I 972 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: was twenty nine and then I walked outside at thirty one. Yeah, 973 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: that's different. I didn't even get to close my twitteries. 974 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: You didn't get that closure, never get it. Still searching 975 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: for I got to hit up every chick I knew. 976 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: Listen closure you vaccinated? 977 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:35,839 Speaker 4: Come on. 978 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 2: Another thing? So how important is it for you to 979 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 2: because you talked about, you know, the freedom to be 980 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 2: who you are as an artist. So with your independent you're 981 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 2: independent artists, with your own label brand Pivot gang was 982 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 2: how important is it for you to maintain that moving forward? 983 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 3: No matter what? 984 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: It is not important. Please give me money to buy 985 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:04,799 Speaker 1: us out. What the fuck? 986 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 3: I'm not jacking, I say it was a lie, No 987 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 3: way get the. 988 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: Think For me, my. 989 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 4: Article was written and in that in that article, I 990 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 4: am constantly pushing. 991 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: It's different for everybody. It's different for everybody. So I'm 992 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: not I'm not the artist that's you know, everybody leave 993 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: la niggas need the labeled them. You know what I'm saying. 994 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 1: So for me, it was more circumstantial, you know. 995 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 3: Where it's like. 996 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 4: It was kind of awkward, to be honest, at a point, 997 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 4: I really wanted to be signed. 998 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to be signed more than anything so I 999 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: could be a real fucking artist. That's what I thought 1000 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: it was gonna That's what I thought I was gonna do. 1001 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 4: It thought that nobody wants to sign me. So then 1002 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 4: we build something, and all right, we do want to say, well, 1003 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 4: this doesn't work for me because I already build something. 1004 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 4: So you know how you figure it? I think you 1005 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 4: know the businesses is. It's a constantly changing thing and 1006 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 4: I'm trying to I'm trying to learn it, you know 1007 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I never try to position myself as 1008 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,399 Speaker 4: an expert on independence versus major label and nothing like that. 1009 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 4: Like I'm not that guy. I wrote that article to 1010 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 4: be transparent about what my situation was or is rather, 1011 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. 1012 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: But to me, it's like you got to just keep 1013 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:36,959 Speaker 1: doing what made sense. 1014 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 4: And I'm not never trying to be the guy that's 1015 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 4: like you will never see me on the major because 1016 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 4: it's not going to you know what I'm saying, if 1017 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 4: they can come with what yeah, if they can come 1018 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 4: with what I am asking for. In that article, I 1019 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 4: also listed what I asked for, and you know what 1020 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,839 Speaker 4: I'm saying, like I said, was circumstantial. 1021 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: I didn't get that, So I'm independence still. But at 1022 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: that given me that I would a. 1023 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 4: Few good things would be on a you know what 1024 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,880 Speaker 4: I'm saying, it would be a major label release. 1025 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,279 Speaker 1: Well, the more you get educated on shit, because when 1026 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: I saw all these big artists selling their catalogs that 1027 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,879 Speaker 1: are also preaching independence to whatever company that is that's 1028 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: buying up everybody's catalog for one hundred fifty million and 1029 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: all that shit, I was like, why would they sell 1030 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: their catalog and all that shit fifty million? Now, No, 1031 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: I had it, and I had, but then I was thinking. 1032 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,239 Speaker 1: I was like, that catalog is worth more than a 1033 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: hundred fifty million. And then I had somebody who's way 1034 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: smarter than me put me on game in that regard 1035 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: that still preaches independence. That was like, all right, right, 1036 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: now we have DSPs dictating what music is valued at, 1037 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,279 Speaker 1: and we don't know what music is going to be 1038 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: valued at in the next fifty years. So instead of 1039 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: passing down my catalog to my kids grandkids, great grandkids. 1040 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 1: Let me go get this liquid one fifty million now, 1041 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 1: because music could be worth zero by the time. 1042 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,799 Speaker 2: And that's the idea that. 1043 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,120 Speaker 1: It's almost worth zero now, as far as. 1044 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 4: That's fucked up the DSP shit go, I think that's 1045 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 4: I get what you're saying. 1046 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: I think that's impossible for music to be worth zero. 1047 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,239 Speaker 4: But I do see it does lose value. 1048 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it will ever, you know, but you 1049 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 1: can't sell it unless you own it. So that's where 1050 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: ownership is important that I do see in any other business. 1051 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: So wow, it's at the top, like you don't know 1052 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: where this shit. 1053 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 2: Is going, and so much of that shit is contingent 1054 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 2: on Like it's just a whole deeper thing when you 1055 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 2: start getting into even. 1056 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: Just the power of the dollar, right, like the conversation or. 1057 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,280 Speaker 2: The value of the dollar, Like one hundred and fifty 1058 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,520 Speaker 2: million today is not what it was in nineteen eighty. 1059 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: I can't even fill your gas. 1060 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 2: Tank now, you know, you know what I'm saying, Like 1061 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 2: it's just not So you got to think about that too. 1062 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 3: In twenty years, what is one hundred and fifty million work. 1063 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,919 Speaker 1: I would hope a lot. I would hope a lot. 1064 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:57,359 Speaker 1: I would hope a lot. 1065 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 4: I would be so disappointed if twenty years from now, 1066 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 4: one hundred. 1067 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,719 Speaker 3: And fifty million dollars wasn't like but just okay, think 1068 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 3: about it. 1069 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: Not to say it's not possible, No, I know what 1070 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: you mean, but. 1071 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,760 Speaker 2: You got to just look at looking even over history 1072 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 2: right with athletes. 1073 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:12,800 Speaker 3: At the time, when. 1074 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 2: Magic Johnson signed his deal, it was the biggest deal 1075 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 2: in Magic. I didn't start it yet winning on Huo Max, 1076 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,239 Speaker 2: I didn't start yet, but I got I gotta start it. 1077 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,400 Speaker 2: But his deal twenty five years, twenty five million dollars, 1078 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 2: that was that was the biggest. 1079 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:33,280 Speaker 1: That seemed like it's the biggest deal. That seems crazy. 1080 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 2: Think about think about getting a player like Magic Johnson 1081 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 2: today for right. 1082 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: Right right, a million dollars, million dollars. 1083 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. 1084 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 2: So a lot of these artists that have these catalogs, like, 1085 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 2: I don't know what we're gonna be able to get 1086 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,760 Speaker 2: for all these hits in twenty years. 1087 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 1: No, it's hard to say. 1088 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,319 Speaker 4: It's hard to say, like, shit changed so much, even 1089 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,239 Speaker 4: from just before the pandemic, shit has. 1090 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: Changed so much. Like you, she just feels different every year. 1091 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: It's like kind ofstantly, it's constantly changing. 1092 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 4: So that's why it becomes more important to me, like 1093 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,080 Speaker 4: as somebody who does you know, uh, everything independent, you 1094 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, A small team and everything, as 1095 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 4: somebody who has control over what I'm putting out and 1096 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 4: what I'm doing. 1097 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,840 Speaker 1: It's like, I just want to do it to the 1098 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: best of my fucking to. 1099 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,280 Speaker 4: The best of my fucking ability, because it's like who knows, 1100 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Who the fuck knows where 1101 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 4: this ship is going or how to fuck is going 1102 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 4: pan out. I'm just trying to get as much of 1103 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 4: this ship out as I can and hopefully do something 1104 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 4: fucking great. 1105 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 2: Man, who's one artist that you see and you look 1106 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,840 Speaker 2: at and you like, I got to get in a 1107 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,680 Speaker 2: room with him. 1108 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 3: I'm talking about. 1109 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,120 Speaker 1: Yes artists. 1110 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:59,840 Speaker 2: She You're like, Yo, this dude is He's He's fucking amazing. 1111 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: Kendrick Kendrick. 1112 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,279 Speaker 4: That's like the you know, Irman being in high school 1113 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 4: and just being such a big fan. 1114 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,760 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that's somebody. 1115 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 4: A lot of those people are starting to, you know, 1116 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 4: get scratched off that list, you know what I'm saying, 1117 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,880 Speaker 4: Like that that crazy Bone feature that was something that 1118 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,839 Speaker 4: I've been dreaming about. I was eight years old, right, 1119 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,040 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So to make something like 1120 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,200 Speaker 4: that happened, I'm like, oh, might as well you know, can. 1121 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,279 Speaker 1: Get that far away right right for real? Trying to 1122 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, somebody I. 1123 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 4: Grew up, I I was producing before I was rapping, 1124 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 4: and he was always somebody who was like really inspiring 1125 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 4: to me, just you know, his his overall sound. 1126 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,279 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I like working with people 1127 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 1: who have. 1128 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 4: A sound, you know, because that that's when it gets interesting, 1129 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 4: because I like to think of myself as somebody who 1130 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 4: the fire sound, you know, it was sound, and with that, 1131 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 4: like it's like that's when the magic of the collab 1132 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 4: can happen. 1133 00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: When it's like how do we merge those? Merge them? 1134 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 1: You know, murders the world? You know, it's funny you 1135 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 1: twenty seven. Bone Thugs wouldn't be the first I would 1136 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: think when I hear your music, I get it. But 1137 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: Bone Thugs as someone that's twenty seven, because I'm thirty one, 1138 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,719 Speaker 1: and even I'm as someone who loved Bone Thugs growing up, 1139 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,279 Speaker 1: even I'm kind of young to love Bone Thugs the 1140 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,279 Speaker 1: way I did. How did you get into Bone Thugs 1141 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: to get with you? Love music? Not for sure, but 1142 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,120 Speaker 1: just sometimes you know, you focused on what your friends 1143 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,399 Speaker 1: is listening to, what's currently going on, Like, well, that's 1144 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:33,920 Speaker 1: part of it. 1145 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 4: I never give a fuck about one. Yeah, listen, I 1146 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 4: always wanted to listen to like that. They were my 1147 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 4: reference point to what I'm not listening to, you know 1148 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,040 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, I wanted to do everything different 1149 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,400 Speaker 4: from what everybody around. 1150 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: Me was doing. 1151 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,640 Speaker 4: And Bone Thugs it was. It was just it was 1152 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 4: just kind of like real organic. My brother, I got 1153 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 4: an older brother. They had one of you know, everybody's 1154 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 4: burning CDs and burn CD. They had a bunch the 1155 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 4: ship on there, but Notorio Stuggs is one of the songs, 1156 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,719 Speaker 4: and I remember. 1157 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:04,840 Speaker 1: Like it was. 1158 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,520 Speaker 4: Yes, it was playing NBA Live two thousand and three. 1159 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 4: Nigga Jason Hill was on the cover. Yeah, and Notorious 1160 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:16,400 Speaker 4: Stuggs came on and pausive, what's this? 1161 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:19,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? 1162 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,680 Speaker 4: It like them because I ain't never heard niggas rap 1163 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 4: like this. I don't understand it. It's melody, it's fast 1164 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,319 Speaker 4: and slow. They're starting to stop it. They're doing all 1165 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,359 Speaker 4: types of ship that I hadn't heard people do, and 1166 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,439 Speaker 4: to me, it was just interesting, you know what I'm saying. 1167 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 4: That's kind of the moment where I was like, I'm 1168 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:37,360 Speaker 4: a rapping. 1169 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: Has anyone tried to take your Chicago card by saying 1170 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 1: to or Die did that first? No, you can't take. 1171 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: And I love doing conflict, you know what. 1172 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like like wild Staff from Crucial, that's that's 1173 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:54,040 Speaker 4: my homie. 1174 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,480 Speaker 1: Like that nigga be pulling up on this in the 1175 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: studio when we in Chicago and ship like it's like 1176 00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:58,840 Speaker 1: it's all love Twister. 1177 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,279 Speaker 4: I just I don't know when it's coming out, so 1178 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,440 Speaker 4: I don't know if you could use it. But I 1179 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,240 Speaker 4: just got some ship back today with me and twist 1180 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,960 Speaker 4: On and this niggas is fucking amazing. 1181 00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:14,200 Speaker 1: Twister. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. But to me one, you 1182 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,960 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You gotta understand, I was eight. 1183 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,279 Speaker 1: I didn't know what the fun was beeping about. I 1184 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,880 Speaker 1: didn't know it was you know what I'm saying. I 1185 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 1: didn't know what then was going on, so I already 1186 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 1: it was too late. 1187 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,879 Speaker 4: I was already in love with the ship, right. 1188 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:30,719 Speaker 5: Right. 1189 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,959 Speaker 1: That's funny but crazy specifically wanted on that or just somebody. Yeah, yeah, 1190 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,000 Speaker 1: I want to cre crazy. To me, it is one 1191 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 1: of the most slept on of all time, you know 1192 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 1193 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,240 Speaker 3: Like, I know what you mean. 1194 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,200 Speaker 1: That, Yeah, like that ship. You know he can he can. 1195 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,640 Speaker 3: Rap, know for sure, he can wrap absolutely. 1196 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,239 Speaker 4: And you know, to me, it was just always you know, 1197 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,759 Speaker 4: he's such a such a big influence on just a 1198 00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,759 Speaker 4: lot of my decision making when it comes to making 1199 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,480 Speaker 4: us on. But I got a lot of big influences, 1200 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,040 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, I studied them all 1201 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,360 Speaker 4: throughout my childhood and then when I got to high school, 1202 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 4: you know, I wanted to study it from y'all negative. 1203 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:13,799 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 1204 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,320 Speaker 4: I was listening to the Big al I was listening 1205 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,560 Speaker 4: to the fucking camera on one of my favorite rappers 1206 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 4: then there. 1207 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,319 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, I got a lot 1208 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,600 Speaker 1: of a lot. 1209 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,120 Speaker 4: Of people that I can't hear on the lookout necessarily 1210 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 4: associate to think that I listened to Like, I don't know, 1211 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,719 Speaker 4: but I just be liking, like I love music, I 1212 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:34,360 Speaker 4: love this. 1213 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,960 Speaker 1: Ship like I love Actually now he says that I 1214 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,160 Speaker 1: could really see Bone Thugs and Cameron being his influence 1215 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,160 Speaker 1: from me, like that makes sense to me if you 1216 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: listen to his album Blue Pey Fucking where do you 1217 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,359 Speaker 1: put bone Thugs with the sound now, because I don't 1218 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,480 Speaker 1: think they get their proper credit when it comes to 1219 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 1: this melodic era that we're in right now. Uh, bone Thugs, 1220 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: like you could really put them directly to a lot 1221 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,719 Speaker 1: of the ship Yeah that is going on right now. Yeah, 1222 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,799 Speaker 1: I think especially with melodic gun bars, a lot of 1223 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 1: gun bars, right. 1224 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,680 Speaker 4: I don't know, I really really it's hard to say. Yeah, 1225 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:17,600 Speaker 4: it's hard to say. 1226 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,000 Speaker 1: I hear it, you know, I hear it, but I 1227 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,560 Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck the niggas who was making 1228 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,760 Speaker 1: that was listening to, Like I know what I was 1229 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,919 Speaker 1: listening to. But yeah, you know a lot of times 1230 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, they slept on people. People sleep 1231 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:30,240 Speaker 1: on them. 1232 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 4: But I'm right, you know, at every step of. 1233 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,080 Speaker 1: The way to get niggas flowers where they do. 1234 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,720 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, nigga busy crazy, You know 1235 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,840 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, which like it was my niggas growing up. 1236 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,400 Speaker 1: Busy. I feel like Busy could come out if he 1237 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,920 Speaker 1: was twenty one, come out right now. Solo and be 1238 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,440 Speaker 1: the biggest artist with the music that's going on right now. 1239 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,600 Speaker 1: Busy exactly who Busy is right at that time, and 1240 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,160 Speaker 1: come out that way for sure. The Black Thought feature, 1241 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,480 Speaker 1: how did that come up? Did a record? Uh Me 1242 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 1: Smino No Name Love Love Smino Love, No Name, Ghetto Sage. 1243 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,400 Speaker 4: We did a record and uh and of course he 1244 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,440 Speaker 4: said I get the bands like the Roots and. 1245 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:18,720 Speaker 1: The whole chorus. 1246 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,440 Speaker 4: He had a Black Thought bar, he had a quest 1247 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,720 Speaker 4: love bar like he was just like, you know, the 1248 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,360 Speaker 4: wordplay was the Roots and we ended up it was 1249 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,640 Speaker 4: some Grammy party right before the pandemic, but we performed 1250 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 4: that song with the Roots. 1251 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 1: They did it. I was. They did a whole gym 1252 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,120 Speaker 1: session that Grammy Weekend wreck. Yeah. 1253 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, those shows were incredible, Yeah, incredible, incredible. But one 1254 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,920 Speaker 4: of them we performed the song It's called Hagen and 1255 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:51,200 Speaker 4: uh Me and Black Doughts just stayed in touch, stay connected. 1256 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 1: He you know, he was. It was just crazy like 1257 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 1: when the when the Ogs are. 1258 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,480 Speaker 4: Like showed that much love, It's like, you know, I'll 1259 00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:59,880 Speaker 4: be taking niggas up on their offers. 1260 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,520 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's stay in touch, like 1261 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,720 Speaker 1: hit me, Yeah, I hit you, and I remember, like, 1262 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, I hit him. I topped it up with 1263 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,680 Speaker 1: him over the phone because I wanted I wanted to 1264 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,280 Speaker 1: like run the concept by him before just sending the record, 1265 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,800 Speaker 1: and we talked it up for a good minute, and uh. 1266 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,400 Speaker 2: I don't know, he just put a perfect verse on 1267 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,160 Speaker 2: that bitch, like it's like literally like, well he's one 1268 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,200 Speaker 2: of the aliens. 1269 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, easily, easily for real, And yeah, he 1270 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,960 Speaker 1: definitely dug into his grandparents background and. 1271 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 4: Right right, right, right right, so you know, he said 1272 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,440 Speaker 4: a lot of ship where it's like he summarized the 1273 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,920 Speaker 4: album perfectly to me. But one of the reasons that 1274 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,360 Speaker 4: I wanted to come back with the ship at the 1275 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,480 Speaker 4: end was because I didn't want somebody else to end 1276 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:44,280 Speaker 4: my album. 1277 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:50,560 Speaker 1: Just having someone featured on your outro is not typically, 1278 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,880 Speaker 1: especially in the rap world, like that doesn't usually happen. 1279 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,000 Speaker 1: You got to do the intro and the outro is. 1280 00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:01,240 Speaker 1: If it's gonna be somebody, let it be black or black. 1281 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,160 Speaker 1: But he had the rapper ego. He was like, now 1282 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,200 Speaker 1: you're not about to mile. 1283 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,360 Speaker 2: The rapper evil ego is Uh, it's real, it's real, 1284 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:10,800 Speaker 2: absolutely real. 1285 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,080 Speaker 1: How do you think you your wrap ego because you 1286 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,520 Speaker 1: could really wrap. And I feel like. 1287 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 3: I feel like you know you can really wrap. 1288 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,640 Speaker 2: You gotta like, first of all, I love doing it 1289 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,720 Speaker 2: like this, like we never met, this is our first 1290 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 2: time on the camera, so I'm learning. But you seem 1291 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,880 Speaker 2: like you got a real humble spirit. But you got that. 1292 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:35,560 Speaker 1: Ship like I'm better than the best right that exists. 1293 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,720 Speaker 1: I don't just say that I'm a rap nerd. The 1294 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,439 Speaker 1: end of that, I say you could really wrap. I 1295 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,360 Speaker 1: mean that you could really wrap. That's where I think 1296 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 1: I don't really buy the humble ship. I think there's 1297 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,880 Speaker 1: part of you that wants someone to say a word. 1298 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,080 Speaker 1: You want somebody to say. I want to be the 1299 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:50,640 Speaker 1: best at it. 1300 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 2: I think you how many balls you got in the 1301 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:54,920 Speaker 2: tuck for these niggas out there. 1302 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: That's that's what I was trying to get at because I. 1303 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 3: Know they're written down. This is what you're gonna say. 1304 01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:01,400 Speaker 3: Say it. 1305 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that it kind of it is. 1306 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,520 Speaker 1: It is what it is. And if I got the verse, 1307 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:09,960 Speaker 1: I got the version, but I ain't got it. I 1308 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,160 Speaker 1: ain't got it, you know what I'm saying. Catch me 1309 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,240 Speaker 1: on my good day. You know what I'm saying, But 1310 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,160 Speaker 1: all throughout the pandemic, what kept me. 1311 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,280 Speaker 4: Going and what kept me hungry, what kept me continuing 1312 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,440 Speaker 4: to work on this shit was just really the homies. 1313 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,919 Speaker 1: Like we had we. 1314 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,720 Speaker 4: Started the zoom calls that we was doing, like every 1315 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,640 Speaker 4: few days it would just be it would be me 1316 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,600 Speaker 4: and just all of home, like all of the niggas 1317 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,760 Speaker 4: and Pivot some niggas in Chicago, like Film Died, like 1318 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,000 Speaker 4: all of all of them in Chicago, and we would 1319 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,960 Speaker 4: have our producers on there and we would make the 1320 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,240 Speaker 4: goal was to write a verse. 1321 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,640 Speaker 1: In sixteen minutes, right, sixteen and sixteen minutes. 1322 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,960 Speaker 4: And the goal for the producers was to write make 1323 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 4: a beat from scratch in sixteen minutes, and then we 1324 01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,760 Speaker 4: would do rounds. We would like we gamified bars, and 1325 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 4: that ship it was like such a good like training 1326 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,520 Speaker 4: ground where it was like it felt like I was 1327 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,880 Speaker 4: practicing for something, Whereas like when it came time to 1328 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,560 Speaker 4: lock in and go to work on my album, it 1329 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,680 Speaker 4: was like I have been doing this every day, so 1330 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,840 Speaker 4: it was like and I was doing it quickly, so 1331 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,040 Speaker 4: it was like pen and the ship became easier. 1332 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,919 Speaker 1: But to me, it's like, you know, we've been. I'd 1333 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:24,680 Speaker 1: say I was eight. 1334 01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,840 Speaker 4: When I fell in love and with this the rap ship, 1335 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,400 Speaker 4: and I was nine when I started recording. Uh so 1336 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,640 Speaker 4: it was like, you know, my whole life it's been. 1337 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:39,080 Speaker 4: It's been bars and studying and just trying to get better. 1338 01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying every step of the way. 1339 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,240 Speaker 1: That's where I feel like you need to do like 1340 01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:51,280 Speaker 1: an l A Leakers or something, just just because I know, 1341 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,120 Speaker 1: I know you approached this album from a I'm making 1342 01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,720 Speaker 1: music standpoint, and I'm trying to which I respect, and 1343 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,000 Speaker 1: that's what I know. Every album love and even when 1344 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,520 Speaker 1: you wrap it, I'm like, all right, I know he's 1345 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,440 Speaker 1: going more so off the melody and what's going on 1346 01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,800 Speaker 1: with the I need you to just tear somebody up 1347 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:08,720 Speaker 1: because I know you can. 1348 01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:17,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, go get that quiet storm beating quiet Leakers. Do 1349 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,760 Speaker 4: I do something. I'll do something because to me, it's 1350 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:25,640 Speaker 4: like as much as I as much as I love it. 1351 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:29,200 Speaker 1: It's like I still want to make music, you know 1352 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:29,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 1353 01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,919 Speaker 4: Like I fell in love with rap at the same 1354 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:33,720 Speaker 4: time I fell in love with playing the piano and 1355 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,120 Speaker 4: all types of other ship. So to me, it's it's 1356 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,760 Speaker 4: I don't really separate the two. In my head, I'm 1357 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,720 Speaker 4: trying to make a beautiful fucking song and a beautiful 1358 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,000 Speaker 4: body of work and it's gonna have bars and that's 1359 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,000 Speaker 4: gonna be in there. But you know, I do, I 1360 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:48,920 Speaker 4: do recognize. 1361 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,080 Speaker 3: So you should go on l leakers. 1362 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,920 Speaker 2: You should going there with a keyboard, play the choestion. 1363 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:52,840 Speaker 1: No no no, no, no no. 1364 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,760 Speaker 4: We're just going to were just it's gonna go in 1365 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:57,800 Speaker 4: there and do what we gotta do. 1366 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,360 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you think that that'll be because I know 1367 01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,640 Speaker 1: you eped or produce the No Name project? Is that 1368 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,760 Speaker 1: a focus you kind of want to get into, well, 1369 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,680 Speaker 1: like doing more production fully production. Let me get behind 1370 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,120 Speaker 1: another artist and EP or produce somebody else's project. That's 1371 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,400 Speaker 1: something that I feel. 1372 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,640 Speaker 4: Like, I I'm gonna definitely do it. I'm gonna definitely 1373 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,520 Speaker 4: do it. I'm working on some things right now. But 1374 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,880 Speaker 4: it's really it's really it comes down to scheduling, you 1375 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:27,400 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. 1376 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,800 Speaker 1: It's like, how much can you even do? Right? I'm 1377 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:30,600 Speaker 1: going on tour. 1378 01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,480 Speaker 4: Next month, so it's like, congrats, thank you, thank you 1379 01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,560 Speaker 4: this first and ship years now, you know what I'm saying. 1380 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:38,560 Speaker 3: See how this. 1381 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,040 Speaker 4: If I remember how to do this ship. But to me, 1382 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,720 Speaker 4: that's just something that is like I want to lock 1383 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,600 Speaker 4: in on that and treat that ship like it's my own, 1384 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,680 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like it's like if I'm 1385 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:53,040 Speaker 4: to be you know, EP and some ship, I want 1386 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,720 Speaker 4: to really give it, give it my all, and it 1387 01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,160 Speaker 4: to be my main focus. So definitely want to get 1388 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:04,040 Speaker 4: to that point of my career, but I'm gonna start with. 1389 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,360 Speaker 1: Just trying to get a little ship off here and there. 1390 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:12,280 Speaker 2: Well, who's your uh whole Chicago, Who's like the one 1391 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,280 Speaker 2: artist you feel is the most underrated. 1392 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,800 Speaker 4: The most underrated artist in Chicago? 1393 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,920 Speaker 1: WHOA Kanye would say, Kanye, I think it's Lupe Fiasco. 1394 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:25,240 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 1395 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,320 Speaker 9: I think it's Lupe. I think Lupe like, I mean 1396 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,600 Speaker 9: got classics, he has classic albums. I think Lupe is 1397 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,520 Speaker 9: actually let's talk about it. 1398 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:45,680 Speaker 1: I think no. I think Lupae is actually underrated as 1399 01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:53,520 Speaker 1: a hit maker and actual someone that was on the 1400 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,680 Speaker 1: charts and makes actual, real records. That's right, because everyone 1401 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,200 Speaker 1: gives Lupe his flowers. We all know Lupae could bar 1402 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,920 Speaker 1: everybody to death. Nobody wants a problem. Not enough more. 1403 01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,280 Speaker 2: People well, same way about you. 1404 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,080 Speaker 1: In my world, Looping, everyone knows what tom it is Luper. 1405 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,640 Speaker 1: I don't think in my world people realize Lupe was 1406 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,400 Speaker 1: making hit records for a very long time, Like he 1407 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,000 Speaker 1: doesn't get his flowers in the balanced artist that he is. Right, 1408 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:24,240 Speaker 1: he was making hits and has two classic albums. So yes, 1409 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,160 Speaker 1: he is underrated in that regard. But I feel like 1410 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:27,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to the rapping ship, if you don't 1411 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,320 Speaker 1: give loop A his flowers, then it's pointless to even 1412 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:35,120 Speaker 1: give flowers. Lupe is underrated and making hits. 1413 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,400 Speaker 2: To me, yeah, he is one one of my favorite 1414 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:39,760 Speaker 2: artist rappers out of Chicago. 1415 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,480 Speaker 1: His baby Baby of Fire, Yeah. 1416 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,360 Speaker 2: Like I'm a huge Like I fuck with Baby Like 1417 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,120 Speaker 2: he was one of the first ones when I was 1418 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,880 Speaker 2: you know, the drill shit and all of that. Was 1419 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,440 Speaker 2: kind of like I was like, dude, right there. 1420 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:56,360 Speaker 1: It's different with Bibby. I had a show it was 1421 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,160 Speaker 1: south By years and years and years ago. 1422 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,760 Speaker 4: And always respected because this nigga walked in, got on 1423 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,280 Speaker 4: the microphone, he was booked for the ship. 1424 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:12,400 Speaker 1: He was like, there ain't no hoes. He was like, 1425 01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,320 Speaker 1: ain't no, there's no women in the crowd. I put 1426 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:17,160 Speaker 1: hose on my rider. 1427 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,720 Speaker 10: I'm not performing he did. I think he did one song, 1428 01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:29,400 Speaker 10: but I was just like, I respect that. Yeah, with 1429 01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:30,000 Speaker 10: the women. 1430 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,160 Speaker 2: That at the bottom line, it was like, yeah, I'm 1431 01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:34,240 Speaker 2: not moving, I'm not budgeting. 1432 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,600 Speaker 1: And then and then he was like. 1433 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,880 Speaker 4: But I do got to show around the corner on 1434 01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:44,000 Speaker 4: six y'all could come pull up the wasting back. 1435 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,520 Speaker 1: Like yo, what the fuck? So yeah, I I fucked 1436 01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,600 Speaker 1: with baby. I don't know him personally, but you know, 1437 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,800 Speaker 1: after seeing something like I'm just like I always. 1438 01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,200 Speaker 2: Obviously the whole recipe juice world that you see where 1439 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,280 Speaker 2: he was as far as CEO like he just had 1440 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,840 Speaker 2: it was just but I always watching this videos to 1441 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,080 Speaker 2: songs is demeanor. 1442 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:07,560 Speaker 3: It was always shunned a bottom like a. 1443 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:12,080 Speaker 1: Like this, did you know? It's a lot of I 1444 01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:12,400 Speaker 1: don't know. 1445 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,000 Speaker 11: I feel like what would be an easier thing to 1446 01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,519 Speaker 11: answer than to name a specific artist, would just make 1447 01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,000 Speaker 11: a blanket statement that Chicago just in general might be 1448 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:23,280 Speaker 11: slept on m HM. 1449 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:33,320 Speaker 1: Because mhmus say he's handsome ship yeah, you know in Chicago. 1450 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,880 Speaker 1: I mean I think right now, if you look at 1451 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,200 Speaker 1: who are the most influential people to the current music scene. 1452 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,479 Speaker 1: When I talk about rap R and B music period 1453 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:52,840 Speaker 1: would be Wayne and Chief, keep Yeah, and Kanye. 1454 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,200 Speaker 4: Three out of those, I got Chicago, I got two 1455 01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:59,920 Speaker 4: more that that would add to that list of most 1456 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:05,639 Speaker 4: influential who do to Gucci, Little be the base guy. 1457 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,680 Speaker 1: Little B does not get his flowers as far as 1458 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,680 Speaker 1: how artists are putting it out on the Internet and 1459 01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,880 Speaker 1: how that whole structure goes. Yes, Lit'll be one thousand percent. 1460 01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,519 Speaker 4: Is that even outside even outside of the Internet, But 1461 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,439 Speaker 4: just what the ship. 1462 01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,719 Speaker 1: Sounds like, You're right. 1463 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,320 Speaker 4: Every day and you know it just start like the 1464 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,040 Speaker 4: base freestyle. I feel like that's what the current scape 1465 01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,679 Speaker 4: of rap kind that has become. 1466 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,880 Speaker 1: Even the Waltime ship is kind of similar. Ship is 1467 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,040 Speaker 1: going on that Gucci, I mean, to me, Gucci is 1468 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:47,439 Speaker 1: the greatest an R in rap history right Like to me, 1469 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,760 Speaker 1: I do think the actual sound of everything derives from Yay, Chief, 1470 01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,439 Speaker 1: Keith and Wayne right now? Yeah, I mean I would agree, 1471 01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:02,120 Speaker 1: And I think even like even like the backpack shift 1472 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,680 Speaker 1: in my fucking thirty one year old ass love that 1473 01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:09,880 Speaker 1: I claimed New York as the people that created it. 1474 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,439 Speaker 1: That sped up sample shit is fucking Chicago shit, Like 1475 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,559 Speaker 1: that's no idea shit at the end of the day, 1476 01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,360 Speaker 1: like so much of the shit that we are like, oh, 1477 01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,960 Speaker 1: this is Golden Age hip hop shit. Chicago took a 1478 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 1: lot of what New York created from that quote unquote 1479 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,200 Speaker 1: Golden age and made that shit palatable to the world. 1480 01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,200 Speaker 2: Well, Chicago was also a major music city. 1481 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,000 Speaker 1: Oh, Chicago house is my shit. 1482 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,200 Speaker 2: It's always been a you know, one of the bigger 1483 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,519 Speaker 2: musical cities in the country, just like New York. Just 1484 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,920 Speaker 2: like you La to the south, right, Chicago always had 1485 01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:43,519 Speaker 2: something to say, right, you know what I mean? And 1486 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,479 Speaker 2: they always had some really really dope musicians to come 1487 01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:47,519 Speaker 2: out of Chicago as well. 1488 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,960 Speaker 1: How did you feel watching that that Kanye doc. I 1489 01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,360 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about Kanye West. I want talk 1490 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,880 Speaker 1: about Kanye Doc, like how you felt about because there 1491 01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,599 Speaker 1: was so much about that was his connection with Chicago 1492 01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,559 Speaker 1: and his love and struggle with Chicago. 1493 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,560 Speaker 4: To me, it was it was really like watching that 1494 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,519 Speaker 4: first episode was really refreshing, and I felt really. 1495 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,400 Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, it was so warm and it 1496 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:13,800 Speaker 1: was just like damn, like. 1497 01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,920 Speaker 4: It made me feel like I wasn't crazy. It felt 1498 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,080 Speaker 4: like I was watching something that I was never supposed 1499 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,559 Speaker 4: to see, right. I felt like I was watching something 1500 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,040 Speaker 4: that I'm like the whole time, I kept pausing it 1501 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,360 Speaker 4: and just saying, so, I'm like, how does this exist? 1502 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:34,320 Speaker 1: Like this niggas recording fucking all type of shit when. 1503 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, how me and Rory talked about the fact 1504 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:38,680 Speaker 2: that we were able to actually see the day he 1505 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,479 Speaker 2: knocked on the door of Rockefeller Right to go in 1506 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,639 Speaker 2: there and play his music, was like, that shit is crazy. 1507 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,000 Speaker 2: The fact that we were able to see that that 1508 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,920 Speaker 2: moment and where that door led to his career is like. 1509 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,200 Speaker 1: You know, and that humanity of who's now one of 1510 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,840 Speaker 1: the biggest artists, biggest people on planet the plant like 1511 01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:04,720 Speaker 1: watching him play those records and get ignored and like 1512 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,240 Speaker 1: him timidly walk over to the wall and like knock 1513 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,120 Speaker 1: on it. You know that feeling like when you're just 1514 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,120 Speaker 1: trying to when you feel fucking deflated and you're just 1515 01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,240 Speaker 1: sitting over there like let me just figure out something 1516 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,760 Speaker 1: to do with my hands, like yeah, like no, when 1517 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,320 Speaker 1: he was sitting there just knocking on it like a 1518 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,479 Speaker 1: who Like those human moments, Like the fact that that's 1519 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,360 Speaker 1: captured on camera with him is incredible. So I know 1520 01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:31,760 Speaker 1: what you're saying. I'm like, we're not supposed to be 1521 01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,320 Speaker 1: seeing this, right, That's what that ship is to me. 1522 01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,599 Speaker 1: When you're in that office and like no one's listening 1523 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,200 Speaker 1: to you and you're just sitting here like fidgeting. 1524 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:41,760 Speaker 3: Like start picking up the statele like. 1525 01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,800 Speaker 1: You just do. You're just doing it because you feel like, 1526 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,479 Speaker 1: all right, let me get the fun out. 1527 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,240 Speaker 2: But to be fair and putting in context, he was 1528 01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,599 Speaker 2: doing that a lot in the ESTABF was probably like dog, yes, 1529 01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,720 Speaker 2: we know you don't. Jay got an albumso we got 1530 01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,560 Speaker 2: pushing like just coming out, So I understand it. But 1531 01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,040 Speaker 2: just that that documentary though, was special because there's certain moments, 1532 01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,280 Speaker 2: like you said, we were never supposed to see that, right, 1533 01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,040 Speaker 2: like w how the fuck are we able to see 1534 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,840 Speaker 2: and keep watching it over and over and then as 1535 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,200 Speaker 2: an artist you are able to tap into those moments 1536 01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,000 Speaker 2: that you deal with shit like that, like okay, so yeah, 1537 01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,840 Speaker 2: this is his part of the journey, right, I got 1538 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:19,360 Speaker 2: to go through this. 1539 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:20,400 Speaker 3: I'm going to be ignored. 1540 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,560 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get the response that I'm looking for 1541 01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,080 Speaker 2: all the time or expect it. But that doesn't mean 1542 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,120 Speaker 2: that we lose sight of the of the plan and 1543 01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,120 Speaker 2: we don't you know, believe in ourselves any less, it. 1544 01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,960 Speaker 4: Seems like he ain't never really take it personal or 1545 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:37,120 Speaker 4: something like, and maybe it's just it's perspective. I try 1546 01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,760 Speaker 4: to take things like that into consideration, where it's like 1547 01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,200 Speaker 4: watching that documentary, I'm getting, uh, wasn't that cooty, I'm 1548 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,600 Speaker 4: getting cooty perspective of the situation. So I'm trying to, 1549 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,160 Speaker 4: you know, take that into consideration. 1550 01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:50,400 Speaker 1: But I was like, damn, like he. 1551 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,240 Speaker 4: Just kept coming back like he wasn't like they're not 1552 01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,040 Speaker 4: fucking with me, man, Like they're not doing it, you 1553 01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:58,840 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And that that, to me, was 1554 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,840 Speaker 4: probably one of the most parts because it like, I 1555 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,479 Speaker 4: know what that shit feel like to, you know what 1556 01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,880 Speaker 4: I'm saying, To walk into the spot and be like 1557 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,000 Speaker 4: I'm dope, I'm dope, you know, like why won't anybody 1558 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,320 Speaker 4: believe me? You know what I'm saying, And to go 1559 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,639 Speaker 4: back home after that, it's hard to not just be like, man, 1560 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:18,800 Speaker 4: they tripping. 1561 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, They like they they they 1562 01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,519 Speaker 1: When it's like he really like do that, he just 1563 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:29,320 Speaker 1: went back highest tie lowest low. 1564 01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:35,320 Speaker 4: In creating this album, highest high, I'll probably say, I 1565 01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:36,360 Speaker 4: don't know it's finishing. 1566 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,720 Speaker 1: Is finishing it a cop out? Like? Is that not 1567 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:44,720 Speaker 1: too easy? Finishing this ship? Which it was literally like 1568 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,960 Speaker 1: a down to the wire. I had finished the album months. 1569 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:53,240 Speaker 4: And months and months ago, but then some ship ends 1570 01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,559 Speaker 4: up happening and I gotta change some ship. 1571 01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,040 Speaker 1: I finishing that the second time. 1572 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,880 Speaker 4: We then to finish the album like three or four times, 1573 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,040 Speaker 4: the final one where I was like, that's it. 1574 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,880 Speaker 1: That was like the most relieving feeling, like that I've 1575 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:18,000 Speaker 1: don there accomplished. Yeah, the lowest, lowest easy. You seem 1576 01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,519 Speaker 1: like an artist that would never say that's it. I 1577 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,880 Speaker 1: feel like someone have to take that album from you, like, no, 1578 01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,160 Speaker 1: it's going out now, No this is done. I know 1579 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,639 Speaker 1: you don't think it's done. Give it to me. We're 1580 01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,600 Speaker 1: putting it up. Really, I get I get tough. I 1581 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:31,880 Speaker 1: get precious with the music. 1582 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,160 Speaker 4: I want to keep it until it's but I want 1583 01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,519 Speaker 4: the ship to come out our livelihood, you know. 1584 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,200 Speaker 1: What I'm saying. I can't eat out, Like please take 1585 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:40,720 Speaker 1: this shit out. 1586 01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:42,880 Speaker 4: I just wanted to come out and look and feel 1587 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,479 Speaker 4: a certain way and be at a certain quality. But 1588 01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,360 Speaker 4: I don't think I'm at the level not to say, 1589 01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,880 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know. I don't want to ever 1590 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,479 Speaker 4: hit the level where it's like we got to. 1591 01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to hit that level just. 1592 01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:58,400 Speaker 4: Because I feel like when you when you're at that level, 1593 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,000 Speaker 4: it's like that's usually all mental. That's usually not the 1594 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:06,160 Speaker 4: actual music, you know what I'm saying. And for me, 1595 01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:09,280 Speaker 4: it's like I I love every song on this album, 1596 01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,800 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So it's like when the 1597 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,639 Speaker 4: songs are done, it's like I want to put him out. 1598 01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:16,120 Speaker 4: It just took a long time. 1599 01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,679 Speaker 1: For the ship to get done, which it shows the work. 1600 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,800 Speaker 2: But I mean it is a you know me and Roy, 1601 01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,680 Speaker 2: because Rory had Rory text me when album came out, 1602 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,040 Speaker 2: like I think that the second day was out and 1603 01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:30,800 Speaker 2: he was like, yo, you listened to a SOB album yet, 1604 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,280 Speaker 2: And I was like, noah, I didn't get to it yet. 1605 01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:33,880 Speaker 2: He was like, all right, let me know when you 1606 01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,760 Speaker 2: listened to it, and so I was like, all right, 1607 01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,040 Speaker 2: I know what that means. And then that night I 1608 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,000 Speaker 2: went listen to it. Then I think the next day. 1609 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,680 Speaker 3: We had to record and I was like, yo, this 1610 01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,840 Speaker 3: is the album is hard, and Ry was like, yo, 1611 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,720 Speaker 3: he got some shit on there. I was like, yo, no, 1612 01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,200 Speaker 3: this album, and to me, it came out. 1613 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,960 Speaker 2: Like when it came out, because I don't I don't 1614 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,360 Speaker 2: even think that I was expecting to hear that type 1615 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,559 Speaker 2: of ship at that moment. Because you know so much, 1616 01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,760 Speaker 2: you kind of get caught up in a certain sound, right, 1617 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,560 Speaker 2: like everybody releasing albums every week and it's kind of 1618 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:13,680 Speaker 2: like the same redundant ship. So but when when your 1619 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,200 Speaker 2: album dropped, it was like, oh, Okay, it's still young 1620 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,720 Speaker 2: dudes out here like creating that type of art though, 1621 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,080 Speaker 2: and not afraid to put it out in the market 1622 01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,760 Speaker 2: space when all this other shit is going on, Like 1623 01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,240 Speaker 2: you said, everybody's going right, you go left. That says 1624 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,080 Speaker 2: a lot about the artists, like I know I have 1625 01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:33,519 Speaker 2: a space. 1626 01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:34,599 Speaker 3: I know I have a lane. I'm here. 1627 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,720 Speaker 2: I'm here to feel that this is who I am, 1628 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:38,439 Speaker 2: this is my art. 1629 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,080 Speaker 3: Funk with it, funk with it. If not, it's cool. 1630 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:45,800 Speaker 3: It's a hard fucking album. 1631 01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:47,760 Speaker 1: You I appreciate it, though. 1632 01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:47,960 Speaker 3: Man. 1633 01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,400 Speaker 4: That's I mean, that's the that's the challenging part of 1634 01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,000 Speaker 4: the artist, you know what I'm saying. Knowing that you're 1635 01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,600 Speaker 4: not doing the normal like what everybody is doing. You 1636 01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,760 Speaker 4: know that it's like playing a long game. You being 1637 01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,479 Speaker 4: comfortable with that. A lot of people not comfortable with 1638 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,040 Speaker 4: theirself enough to pursue that. And I mean even me, 1639 01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,799 Speaker 4: I have my moments of like being unsure about certain decisions, 1640 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:11,080 Speaker 4: certain shit, you know what I'm saying. 1641 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,519 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I just feel like, really. 1642 01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,680 Speaker 4: One really confident in what I do and what I 1643 01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:24,960 Speaker 4: provide where I'm like, I got hear off music. 1644 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,280 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We didn't, you know what 1645 01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I came here with my manager. I 1646 01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,160 Speaker 1: got another manager out there with y'all. 1647 01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,560 Speaker 4: But it's not like we we had no crazy Like 1648 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,840 Speaker 4: it's like this the story is like every step of 1649 01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,800 Speaker 4: the way, it's like, oh, this is dope. And I'm like, 1650 01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,280 Speaker 4: early on in my career, I'm like, oh, if I 1651 01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,360 Speaker 4: do good work, work that I believe in, it'll find. 1652 01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:53,320 Speaker 1: This crowd's kind of machine telling the crowd this is 1653 01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:54,920 Speaker 1: dope you need to listen to. Not yet, but you 1654 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,240 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, maybe one day it will be 1655 01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:02,160 Speaker 1: what's you signed? Jimmy Ivan yesterday just. 1656 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:10,200 Speaker 4: Said you're not trying to be you know what I'm saying, Like, 1657 01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:14,840 Speaker 4: I don't like I'm just trying to do what's best 1658 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,320 Speaker 4: for me as you know what I'm. 1659 01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Saying, like, I don't want people to feel so attached 1660 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,160 Speaker 1: to my own decisions. 1661 01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,960 Speaker 4: That's for my life where they feel like they should 1662 01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,200 Speaker 4: have any input on the decision at all. 1663 01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,519 Speaker 1: But I'm just you know, I don't leaving it up all. 1664 01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,360 Speaker 1: My relationship is good, you know what I'm saying, Like 1665 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,800 Speaker 1: fu who funckled me? But people fuck with me right now, 1666 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,439 Speaker 1: So I'm like, hey, let's you know, keep it that way. 1667 01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't. I don't know. 1668 01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,720 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be independent, but I don't know that. 1669 01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,519 Speaker 2: If you had uh to old the young creatives in 1670 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:57,320 Speaker 2: Chicago and the young black men that you know, you know, 1671 01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,120 Speaker 2: the things we go through growing up in the hood, 1672 01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,840 Speaker 2: something that you would tell them when they have those 1673 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:08,360 Speaker 2: moments of like doubt and second guessing and not wanting 1674 01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:12,600 Speaker 2: to be different and you know, wanting to follow the 1675 01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:17,920 Speaker 2: end crowd. What's something you would tell them, like from 1676 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,439 Speaker 2: your experiences, like, nah, fam, this is what you want 1677 01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:20,880 Speaker 2: to do to me? 1678 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,360 Speaker 4: The most important thing that I ever did was the 1679 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:30,519 Speaker 4: side that like I'm meeting that's cool. Hm, you know 1680 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,439 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, It's like I feel like if you're 1681 01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,519 Speaker 4: looking for what's in, what's hot, how motherfucker is dressing, 1682 01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:39,120 Speaker 4: what motherfuckers sound like, what other people is doing, Like 1683 01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,320 Speaker 4: you always be chasing something that you will never be 1684 01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,719 Speaker 4: able to, you know, provide yourself. 1685 01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:46,479 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You always just be chasing shit. 1686 01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,240 Speaker 4: And my my thing is like, I don't want to 1687 01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,920 Speaker 4: spend my life chasing I don't want to you know 1688 01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:52,519 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like. 1689 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,120 Speaker 1: It's certain shit we're gonna have to take, you know 1690 01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We're human, you know what I'm saying. 1691 01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,800 Speaker 1: Niggas need, niggas need money to survive. You know what 1692 01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Certain shit where like all right, that's how 1693 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:05,479 Speaker 1: it is. But to me, it's like we just gotta 1694 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,440 Speaker 1: encourage mother. Like you remember. 1695 01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,280 Speaker 4: This might sound awkward, like because I was I was 1696 01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,400 Speaker 4: born in the nineties, but you remember in the nineties 1697 01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:20,479 Speaker 4: when it was like frowned upon to sound like another nigga. 1698 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,840 Speaker 2: Of course you actually got a clown for that. 1699 01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, I'm just are we doing? Yeah? 1700 01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:28,479 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1701 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,519 Speaker 1: The fuck are we doing? Why are we? You know, 1702 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,880 Speaker 1: It's like I don't know. To me, it's like that 1703 01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,000 Speaker 1: identity ship is the most important ship. Right now, I'm like, 1704 01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:39,599 Speaker 1: just be you, man, Like I don't. It's way easier 1705 01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,439 Speaker 1: to be yourself. You feel way more comfortable. 1706 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,920 Speaker 4: Like in three years, if you know, Like I look 1707 01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:49,599 Speaker 4: back at my other two albums, I'm like, hey, I'm 1708 01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,320 Speaker 4: I'm happy with the mother But it's like I think 1709 01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,320 Speaker 4: they you know, I think all of this ship is 1710 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,200 Speaker 4: is great. But regardless of what your opinion of it is, 1711 01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:58,840 Speaker 4: it's me at the time. 1712 01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,760 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's me and if twenty 1713 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:05,760 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen me and currently whatever the fuck. But to me, 1714 01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:10,640 Speaker 1: I just think that authenticity is something that's so it's it. 1715 01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,680 Speaker 4: That's the gray area where the fuck is that? Like 1716 01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,840 Speaker 4: I think that's what I would encourage everybody to do, 1717 01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,080 Speaker 4: is just like dooks like you want to do, like 1718 01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,960 Speaker 4: be you and if that changes in a year, so 1719 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,720 Speaker 4: be it. That changes in three you know what I'm saying, Like, 1720 01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,840 Speaker 4: just be you. You know what I'm saying, motherfucker's gonna 1721 01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,920 Speaker 4: keep growing, keeping keep doing shit. 1722 01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,800 Speaker 1: Be comfortable and being unsure if this is you, be 1723 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,519 Speaker 1: comfortable and being unsure because motherfuckers really don't know they 1724 01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,920 Speaker 1: are until you do some shit, you know what I'm saying, 1725 01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,560 Speaker 1: be comfortable and just being unsure. This is how I 1726 01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,080 Speaker 1: feel at the moment because nobody knows what the fuck 1727 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:45,679 Speaker 1: they do. I mean, some things know what they're doing, 1728 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,519 Speaker 1: but nobody really know what they're doing. 1729 01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,519 Speaker 4: Because you can know how you're doing and be confident, 1730 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,360 Speaker 4: but you can't control how people are going to react 1731 01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:53,600 Speaker 4: to that. 1732 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,439 Speaker 1: And that's the part where I'm like broing Man. The 1733 01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,799 Speaker 1: only time anyone brags about being sure about the decisions 1734 01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:05,120 Speaker 1: is when they worked out, right, when it's nostalgic, like, nah, 1735 01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,560 Speaker 1: I did that. You was unsure that whole time. That 1736 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,920 Speaker 1: didn't work out a time you wouldn't have this confidence 1737 01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:11,800 Speaker 1: and brain the whole time. 1738 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,280 Speaker 2: And I think that's important to remember when creating, is 1739 01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,840 Speaker 2: to just always go back to those moments like I'm 1740 01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,920 Speaker 2: not sure, I feel good about it. 1741 01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:22,439 Speaker 3: This is me and myself. 1742 01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:26,639 Speaker 2: That's my so I can I can rest my add 1743 01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:31,080 Speaker 2: on that is me. But it's fucked up when you're 1744 01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,000 Speaker 2: not you and you put some ship out and niggas 1745 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,240 Speaker 2: hate it. You're like yo, But I didn't even want 1746 01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,799 Speaker 2: to do that right right, right right, I didn't even wonder. 1747 01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,639 Speaker 1: What it is, what it'll do is it'll give, it'll 1748 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,320 Speaker 1: give you the the like. 1749 01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,639 Speaker 4: Like to me, it's like I put out something as 1750 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,120 Speaker 4: me hm, when a motherfucker love it, it's like tight, 1751 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:50,640 Speaker 4: a motherfucker don't like it. 1752 01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well it wasn't for you, Like it's not. 1753 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,840 Speaker 1: But it's not like the I can't believe that they don't, 1754 01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:57,400 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. 1755 01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,760 Speaker 4: And I'm just like, we probably meet in real life 1756 01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,679 Speaker 4: and like each other some ship, you know what I'm saying, 1757 01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,000 Speaker 4: Like some people like I can't please every fucking body, 1758 01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:06,960 Speaker 4: and that's something that I feel like as an artist 1759 01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:08,720 Speaker 4: is like I'm learning to accept that, you know what 1760 01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:09,040 Speaker 4: I'm saying. 1761 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm learning what I'm saying. I always been one of them. 1762 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,400 Speaker 1: I want to put something for everybody. Own this ship 1763 01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,760 Speaker 1: like it that's cool, that's appealing to everybody. Is never 1764 01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,120 Speaker 1: really that good? Yeah, a few. 1765 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,160 Speaker 2: Exceptions, would say, it's a few exceptions to that, but yeah, 1766 01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,320 Speaker 2: for the most part, absolutely, I agree with right, agree 1767 01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,080 Speaker 2: that ship doesn't really move move ship. 1768 01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,559 Speaker 1: But to be honest with you, it's only what one person, 1769 01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,360 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson is the only person on earth that we 1770 01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:40,400 Speaker 1: can all agree. The music is great, Uh. Who else? Uh? 1771 01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,400 Speaker 3: I think I think Bob Marley is one of them. 1772 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:49,559 Speaker 5: Bob because white people, the Sandals resorts, he seems accepted. 1773 01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,240 Speaker 5: Stevie Wonder. I feel like I haven't run into a 1774 01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,519 Speaker 5: person who doesn't like Stevie. I haven't run in two 1775 01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,880 Speaker 5: doesn't like mister. I'm giving him a Lifetime Achieving Award. 1776 01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:02,799 Speaker 1: Damn really, I'm. 1777 01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,880 Speaker 2: Gonna talk about that. I made it my duty to 1778 01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:06,200 Speaker 2: talk about that until. 1779 01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:10,280 Speaker 1: They're gonna give him one. When when you when you, when. 1780 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,080 Speaker 2: They see you additionally got a Lifetime Achieving Award before 1781 01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:17,080 Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder, Brosie, Steve want that Luther Evangel singing background vocals. 1782 01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:20,720 Speaker 3: You know how sick that is? 1783 01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:21,240 Speaker 1: Comment? 1784 01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:21,600 Speaker 2: But he did. 1785 01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,320 Speaker 1: Can't stand the ring he made in the sky a 1786 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:29,479 Speaker 1: little better never you know, stay on his grind, you 1787 01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,880 Speaker 1: keep it up, stay on his tell us. 1788 01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,799 Speaker 3: You wanted to stay on grind. He had fourteen albums 1789 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:36,320 Speaker 3: out before you. 1790 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,080 Speaker 1: When you want, you want, You'll get there. You'll get there. 1791 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,160 Speaker 1: You stick to the vision. See, somebody got to take 1792 01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:46,800 Speaker 1: a shot the white boy. The white boys can go there. 1793 01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:48,640 Speaker 1: We can't do that. See that's why I love you. 1794 01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,479 Speaker 1: He can see I didn't to go there. You know, 1795 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,360 Speaker 1: that wasn't even a thought that crossed my mind. 1796 01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:55,040 Speaker 2: Steve can see, Oh my god. 1797 01:25:55,240 --> 01:26:00,719 Speaker 1: Anyways, we'll edit that bar. I hate do the enclosing 1798 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:01,640 Speaker 1: ship because I'm not to do that. 1799 01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:04,519 Speaker 2: We ain't got to closing, man, and just listen. 1800 01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,479 Speaker 3: I appreciate you're giving us the time. 1801 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,599 Speaker 2: Man been following you for a minute, and it's good 1802 01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,760 Speaker 2: to meet somebody that I'm a fan of the work. 1803 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,799 Speaker 2: But it's like, I like you though, you're good, appreciate 1804 01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:20,400 Speaker 2: I was walking into it. I was like I asked 1805 01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,280 Speaker 2: for I was like, yo, why some why he agreed 1806 01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:22,479 Speaker 2: to this? 1807 01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:23,920 Speaker 1: Like what we about to do? 1808 01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:25,519 Speaker 3: He was like, yo, I don't know. May we're gonna 1809 01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:26,280 Speaker 3: kick it. I'm like all right. 1810 01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,120 Speaker 1: Then hearing the music carries too because you don't really talk, and. 1811 01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,160 Speaker 3: That was like I was like, yo, but he don't 1812 01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:33,120 Speaker 3: even really need music. 1813 01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,400 Speaker 1: You don't talk. Yes, but so, but it was it's 1814 01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:37,280 Speaker 1: dope to me like this, I'm trying to talk more. 1815 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:38,519 Speaker 4: I'm trying to get in the habit of you know 1816 01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,160 Speaker 4: what I'm say because my fuckers listen to the music. 1817 01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,400 Speaker 1: And they have an idea of me, and then I 1818 01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,280 Speaker 1: feel like and they meet you and me like, wait, 1819 01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:49,280 Speaker 1: who is this enjoying? Who is this nigga enjoying him? 1820 01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,400 Speaker 1: Just like I'm trying to you know, I'm trying to 1821 01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:53,840 Speaker 1: get in the habit of that. You know what I'm saying, 1822 01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:55,680 Speaker 1: just speaking freely, you. 1823 01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,000 Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying like this, Yeah you should though, 1824 01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,840 Speaker 2: you got you got that personality, get their personality. 1825 01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,400 Speaker 1: Disiraptor real quick. So we get a headline and then 1826 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:04,720 Speaker 1: we're good. 1827 01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,280 Speaker 3: No, don't disurract. I will say this. 1828 01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:08,679 Speaker 1: I didn't hear what he said. 1829 01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:13,920 Speaker 2: He said, disarection, But thank you for kicking with us. 1830 01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:15,200 Speaker 2: Thank you for a few good things. 1831 01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:15,439 Speaker 1: Man. 1832 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:19,320 Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite projects for sure to come 1833 01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:20,960 Speaker 2: out in the last few years. 1834 01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:22,759 Speaker 1: Man, years, that's tight. 1835 01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:29,640 Speaker 2: Easily easily, like fuk with they're saying out there, Trust me, 1836 01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:31,840 Speaker 2: they're gonna double back to be honest. 1837 01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what. That's good. 1838 01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,080 Speaker 3: That's good, good God, I got it. 1839 01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta just I learned. I got it. Just 1840 01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,840 Speaker 1: exists in my own bubble. And that's just how I'm 1841 01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:42,280 Speaker 1: gonna do it. 1842 01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,880 Speaker 2: You're doing it right. Keep doing what you're doing. Man, 1843 01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,400 Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to sit and kick it with you. 1844 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,720 Speaker 2: And we're definitely gonna link up against somewhere down the world. 1845 01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:54,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, no,