1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: fan Duel. Will he love basketball, golf, soccer or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport. There is a contest for every fan fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. All Right, everybody, it's our 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: Wednesday morning podcast. Nick writes, We're gonna talk about so 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: many interesting things. Number one, he just took a massive 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: life adventure. He took a lot of money to Vegas. 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: He and I have privately discussed another line of work 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: which I think he's capable of doing for a living. 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: He's really good at it. I could never do it. 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the NBA and the ratings decline, 13 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: some thoughts about Mac Jones getting drafted third in my 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: theories on that. With Nick and I, we talk sports, 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: we talked life, we talk politics. To me, he's my 16 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: perfect podcasting guest. No notes. Let's talk shoot the shit 17 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: hopefully the people like it hopefully, and here we go. 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: All right, And with that, I bring on my friend 19 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: Nick Wright. Nick's been joining me on FS one every 20 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: Wednesday for about four or five years. He's also the 21 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: co host. You know, he's the lead singer for First 22 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: Things First, and he's also we can reveal a secret. 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: It's not really a secret to me, but maybe to 24 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: other people. You went to Vegas recently and you were 25 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: on Poker after Dark. You and I've been talking about 26 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: this for a couple of months, So I don't know 27 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: what I'm about to ask you. I do not know 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: the answers to so I know you took a big 29 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: bundle of lettus blood of cabbage before you even asked 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: the question. When we tell America something true fact about 31 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: Colin Cower Concoward once upon a time told me during 32 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,639 Speaker 1: an unrelated conversation, Nick, I want you to know something. 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: Your family is my family. And then he paused and 34 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: he was like, what's the scenario where a realistic one 35 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: where Nick might need some help, And there's the exact quote. 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: You ever lose fifty thousand in a weekend, you can 37 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: call me and I got your back because he knows 38 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: that's in play. This was in play this weekend, these 39 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: during this three days of poker. But the fact that 40 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: I didn't call you and say uncle Colin and needs 41 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: you to do the old wire to the Aria means 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: it went it didn't go disastrously. I can tell you 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: that much. And now can you tell me how how 44 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: much you took to Vegas? Tell you that ninety ninety 45 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: thousand bucks? Yeah, okay, so how did you that's what 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: you took with you? What did you what did you 47 00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: bring home? If? Okay, from the poker, if we just 48 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: let's just so, I brought ninety with me for poker. 49 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: I yeah, I can say this brought home one hundred 50 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: and one good poker weekend. Now there's a lot of 51 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: other opportunities to gamble in Vegas. Yeah there are. So 52 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: here's the thing. So did the full hundred one come 53 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: home with me? No, of course not. Do I now 54 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: feel like I have carte blanche to stay at the 55 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: Aria for life. Maybe it was like that's what we 56 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: call building a relationship. That was me in the Aria 57 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: getting to know each other. Um, so I so let 58 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: me I'll set the context for it. Wednesday and Friday 59 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: were cash games with twenty thousand dollars buy ins, fifty 60 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: one hundred dollars blinds, and had some Bruce Buffer was 61 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: in a game. There was the guy that started Shopify, 62 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: which I was like, Shopify, I wonder how good that 63 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: company is. I looked it up. I was like, Mark 64 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: cap one hundred and sixty seven billion, he's the founder. 65 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, maybe don't try to bluff that fella, 66 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: because I don't think four thousand bucks gonna scare him. 67 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: But then also pros. So Maria Hoe, who's a pro, 68 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: played one day. Phil Hellmuth, who's probably the world's most 69 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: famous poker player, played two days, and Daniel Negrano, who's 70 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: maybe the world's most successful poker player, played And so 71 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday were cash games. Thursday was a ten 72 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollars sit and go tournament where first place got 73 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: fifty thousand, second place got twenty thousand, and I Seat 74 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: four was Helmuth, Seat five was Meet, six was Negrano. 75 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: And I can't What I can tell you is this, 76 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: I had a nice long tete, a tete with Phil Hellmuth, 77 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: and it will I handled myself well, and I'm Wednesday, 78 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: Colin I played. And I can say this because I 79 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: don't know what order they're gonna air. Wednesday, I played 80 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: the worst poker of my life. I was totally shaken 81 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: up by the situation. I didn't think I would be. 82 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: I was worried that everyone was coming after me, even 83 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: though why would they be coming after me? I played 84 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: terribly Thursday I played perfect poker for five hours, and 85 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: Friday I played really well, and I'm going to go 86 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: back and I'm gonna do it again. It was great. 87 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: Do you think do you think you can make a 88 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: living playing poker? I think that I think that if 89 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: I what you said in the beginning is you know 90 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: my downfall. If do I think I could be a 91 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: profitable poker player? Yes? Am I a profitable poker player? Yes? 92 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Could I make as much money just playing poker as 93 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: I do in my regular life? I would have to 94 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: that that would That's a tougher question, right like, and 95 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: I'd have to really drill down on it. But also 96 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: knowing myself, what is the cost associated with the walk 97 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: to the poker room and the walk back from the 98 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: poker room, the walk past the sports book, and the 99 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: walk past the blackjack tables and those things? Those have 100 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: always been you know, you know, we've had an off 101 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: and on relationship for twenty years, myself and those pits 102 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: and so well, so I think that I could certainly 103 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: do more and more than I've done. I mean, I've 104 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: been playing I was I've been playing poker for twenty years, 105 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: and so i've you know, and I understand the math 106 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: of it, and I love it. And so being able 107 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: to go up against the best in the world and 108 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: see how I could shape up. I'm glad I didn't 109 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: get my head handed to me. I'll tell you that much. Well, 110 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: it's great. It's funny. You and I are so different 111 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: in so many ways, just the way we think. You're 112 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: very matthy, I'm not. I like structure. I'm very much 113 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: into business. You're really not. You're more creative than I am. 114 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: We have but in a weird way, I live through you. 115 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: You're like a mobster. You live the life I wish 116 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: I had the courage to do, which is go sit, 117 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: play poker, hundreds of thousands of dollars, roll the dice. 118 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: It's like I watched Tony Soprano. I think, beyond clipping, guys, 119 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: what a life. Yeah, if you take that part out, 120 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: that's well, that's the that I mean I do. Here's 121 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: the thing I think that that that's why mobster movies 122 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: will always be successful and people will always like them, 123 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: is even though there's a part of your brain that 124 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: is like these are totally a moral awful people. There 125 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: is a part of the lifestyle that seems so alluring, 126 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: no matter your level of success or wealth or anything 127 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: in a regular structured life. Just the bands of cash 128 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: and the I will do what I want when I 129 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: want that type of thing. There is part of at 130 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: least I shouldn't say for everyone, but at least for me. 131 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: And it sounds like for you that that always has 132 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: been attractive to and then and so I mean, that's 133 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: why for as long as there's been cinema, people have 134 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: enjoyed watching those movies. Yeah, but you're not uncut gems 135 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: Adam Sandler intense, No, I'm not. I No, but I 136 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: this is where and you and I and we You 137 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: and I have talked about this somewhat on the air, 138 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: but a lot off the air. This is where I 139 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: am very very very thankful that I have my rock, 140 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: of my home, of my wife and kids, because I 141 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: do think that if not for the responsibility, accountability and 142 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: the things that come with being a father and a husband, 143 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: that I that I'm always you know, I'd be far 144 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: closer to the edge of saying, you know what, let's 145 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: take a big shot like a bigger shot than that 146 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: is responsible the shot I took this weekend. I don't 147 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: want folks to get confused. I ain't got nothing close 148 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: to the con hour money. It would have hurt if 149 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: I had come home with zero. That would have been 150 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: as a that's a long plane ride. That's that's a 151 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: twenty six hour, five hour flight back from Vegas. So 152 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: it would have hurt, but it wouldn't have been like, well, 153 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm ruined, and so you know, I stay within the bounds. 154 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm probably a little closer to Sandler and 155 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: uncut Gems than you are, but I'm not. But I'm not. 156 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: You know, nobody goes full Sandler. You don't want to 157 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: do that. No, I mean, I've said I have the 158 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: ability to twice a year bet five thousand dollars on 159 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: a game, and that's it, and I'm totally happy. I 160 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: bet on Clemson over Ohio State, and I bet a 161 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: ton on Green Bay at Houston last year after they 162 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: were humiliated and the line was only four the following 163 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: week and I'm like, no, they're gonna dust Houston, and 164 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: I was I was okay doing that. I was okay 165 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: betting five thousand dollars that the Cleveland Browns will win 166 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: more than nine and a half games on the hold 167 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: on for the record, Sorry to interrupt you in your podcast. 168 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: That is what we in the business call an emotional hedge, 169 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: which was you knew deep down there was part of 170 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: you that was going to be sad if Baker won 171 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: ten games, so at least you could be happy with 172 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: the five thousand. So that's an emotional Well. It's interesting 173 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: because when I moved to Vegas out of college, I 174 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: was a huge college football fan, and I was still 175 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: really a fan the last team. I was a fan 176 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: of the University of Washington, and so after the first 177 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: couple of weekends, you know, I was betting them to win, 178 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: and they lost one of the games, and I remember thinking, 179 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: got it ruins my weekend. So my team lost and 180 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: I lost money, So I wrote about it my first book. 181 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: I started doing kind of life insurance where I would 182 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: always bet against my favorite teams, so either I won 183 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: money or my team won, and I never had a 184 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: weekend that was completely lost. They say in Alabama when 185 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: the Crimson Tide lose, the commerce goes down in the 186 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: state on Monday, like people are shot. So I was 187 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: finding myself when I was a true fan. I would 188 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: be ruined if the Huskies lost and I bet on them. 189 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: So the emotional hedge comments actually true. I do find 190 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: from occasion it's better for me if Baker go seven 191 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: and ten. But that roster is too good to not 192 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: go eleven and six. It just is unless they get 193 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: Kansas City early, Green Bay, New England on the road 194 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: late and the schedule doesn't work out perfectly. But but 195 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: do you ever bet emotionally? Do you ever have emotional hedges? Oh? 196 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: I do the opposite of the So the opposite of 197 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: the emotional hedge is the maximum pleasure maximum pain. And 198 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: that is and I can give you the I have 199 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: in the twenty in the you know, this calendar year 200 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: of sports, I have two perfect examples of it working 201 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: out amazingly and working out terribly. You know, all year 202 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: long I was as anti last basketball season Clippers as 203 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: anyone could possibly be, and I said all year long, 204 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: they are not going to make the conference finals. And 205 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: before Nuggets Clippers, I bet on the Nuggets. And when 206 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: they were down three games to one, I bet on 207 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: the Nuggets more. And they at like thirty two to one, 208 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: and they came all the way roaring back and won 209 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: the series. That plus, I of course had a future 210 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: on Lebron and the Lakers, so that was like perfect 211 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: for me. The opposite of that is what happened in 212 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: the damn Super Bowl, which you will never let me 213 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: forget all year long. I am talking about how Brady 214 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: is cooked. And I'm from Kansas City, I'm a Chiefs fan. 215 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: I have a ton of Chiefs futures out there. So 216 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: going into the Super Bowl, I already had a massive 217 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: swing just from my Chiefs futures already my AUNTI you know, 218 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: like a career bet as far as me being right 219 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: or wrong on Brady and so a wise man, a 220 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: smart man would do nothing for the Super Bowl. A 221 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: wise man would bet a sizeable amount on Tampa plus 222 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: the three and a half, hope the Chiefs win by 223 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: three and you win the board. An idiot would just 224 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: hammer the Chiefs three at minus three and a half 225 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: and just have it just be the worst everything. Just 226 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm sad it costs me money. So yeah, that that 227 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: is so the emotional hedge or hedging in general. You 228 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: got it. So I'll go to black jack quickly, and 229 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: we don't have through the whole thing on gambling if 230 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: you don't want. But it's the Some people in blackjack 231 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: like a twelve against a two. The book says to 232 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: hit that, but it's like fifty one forty nine. It's 233 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: very close. And if I'm ever playing at a table 234 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: and someone says what should I do on that, I 235 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: tell them, listen, you're supposed to hit, but it doesn't 236 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: really matter. But just do the same thing whatever it is, 237 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: be consistent. Decide this whole blackjack run. I'm either staying 238 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: on a twelve against the two or I'm hitting a 239 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: twelve against the two. Don't go back and forth. That's 240 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: how I feel about hedging bets, like I made a 241 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: life decision a decade ago that I don't hedge bets. 242 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: That if I bet the Chiefs before the year at 243 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: six to one to win the Super Bowl, and I 244 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: can hedge that bet and lock in a profit of 245 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: the equivalent of four to one, I'm not doing it. 246 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: I won't hedge bets. Now. You know a lot of 247 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: people say, Nick, that's really dumb, and I say, you're 248 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: probably right, But I've made the choice, and I just 249 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: feel like the moment I hedge is the moment that 250 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: you're I'm not supposed to, it's gonna come around the 251 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: other way, so I won't do it. So I hedge everything. Yep. 252 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: So my whole life I have hedged everything, and I 253 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: do believe. So I think there's probably a psychology in 254 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: my childhood. Why I hedge? I hedge on everything. You don't. 255 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: So if I said, be a psychologist Sigmund Freud for 256 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: three minutes, why don't you hedge? Oh? Because part of 257 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: what probably part of what I'm looking for is the 258 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: emotional pull that comes from the swings, and hedging eliminates 259 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: both sides of it. So like I'm so, it's part 260 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: of this is finances and trying to outsmart the line 261 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: or in poker, outsmart the competition like ego boost or whatever. 262 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: But also part of it is there's something in me 263 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: that wants to the extremes. My guess is this you. 264 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't think either one of us had you know, 265 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: the what people would consider like a rough or very 266 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: seemingly very difficult upbringing. But I had a very comfortable upbringing. 267 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: Aside from my parents getting divorced, which was traumatic for 268 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: any child. I had two great parents, both were employed 269 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: with good jobs my whole life, a great sister, never 270 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: worried about anything really as a kid and as a 271 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: teenage gotten a lot of like minor trouble because I 272 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: was just an idiot, but never really was concerned about anything. 273 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: There was no risk in my life whatsoever. So my 274 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: guess is the Sigmund for it is I have found 275 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: a way to add that that for some reason I 276 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: needed it, which is probably unhealthy. And I found a 277 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: way to add that risk to my life because it's 278 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: always been so safe for me, you know what I mean, 279 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: coming up the way I did. So my guess is 280 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: that's the answer. Yeah, And mine is the opposite, which 281 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: I grew up in chaos with multiple divorces and thought 282 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: I was going to be broke for life. So I 283 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: don't want pain, and so I hedge every bet. I 284 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: don't want chaos, I don't want broke because I dealt 285 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: with that my whole life. I've thought about this. I 286 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: hedge every bet. So I'm actually a really I think 287 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm a really smart businessman for a broadcaster. Is that 288 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: I've done really well. I've hedged all my bets. I'll 289 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: never go low. I'll probably never hit the lottery. But 290 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: some would argue I've hit that as a broadcaster. But 291 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm a bet. I'm a bet hedger. I always you know, 292 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: if I if I bet big, I look to bet 293 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: against my bet later in the week exactly to hedge it, right, 294 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: So like, and that's and your and your businesses you 295 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: have you have like diversified your businesses enough, yes, that 296 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: that's a natural hedge. Like you have, you have a 297 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: natural hedge even within broadcasting by the ability to now 298 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: tangibly do at the highest levels television, radio and digital. 299 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: That's that's the ultimate hedge against everything is like, as 300 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: long as content creation is a thing, it all the 301 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: delivery mechanism almost is, you're impervious to the swings of it. 302 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: And so that's you know, And so that's the I 303 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: think you're right that whatever it is that you know 304 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: wires us from a young age sets us on those paths. 305 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: And mine is one that is more and and I 306 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: would and this is me at my least and my 307 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: most seemingly risk averse because what I don't allow is 308 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: my own you know, you know the fact that I 309 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: haven't gotten therapy for whatever is wrong with me. I'm 310 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: not going to allow that to have a negative impact 311 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: on what my wife and kids can do. So as 312 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: long as like you know what I mean, all of 313 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: that stuff is always taking care of, that's kind of 314 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: my headges like, I'll make sure that all of this 315 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: is filled up and taken care of, and then the 316 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:34,239 Speaker 1: rest is my own kind of personal freedom. One. All right, 317 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: football fans, the twenty twenty one draft around the corner, 318 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: FanDuel is hosting something cool, a free twenty thousand dollars 319 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: mock draft contest. Put on your GM hat. 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I think you lean NBA 338 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: then NFL. But I did think about something that I 339 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: want you to respond to, is that Frank Vogel, so 340 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: much of the NBA is you know, don't very rarely 341 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: did anybody have like in the NFL. Belichick's one of 342 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: the few with personnel power and coaching power. Pete Carroll 343 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: now in Seattle, has that. Andy Reid never had it 344 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: in Philly and doesn't really have it in Kansas City. 345 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: He takes the players Brett Veach gets and then so 346 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: Frank Vogel, his oh has been great with biggs. Doesn't 347 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: love guards, likes physical teams, defense and developing bigs. He 348 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: didn't really have that. Roy Hibbert wasn't a transformational talent. 349 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: He was an average college player, and yet Frank Vogel 350 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: made him into a nuisance for Lebron James and those 351 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: series against the Heat. He goes to Orlando again, it's 352 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: not a perfect roster for him. What's interesting is he 353 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: goes to the Lakers. Now he has Andre Drummond, Anthony 354 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: Davis long guard play Lebron James, and it took him 355 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: forever to get there. On the other side, Brooklyn Mike 356 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: D'Antoni just like scores and guards Steve Nash, that's what 357 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: he would know. So in a weird way, the two 358 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: most talented teams are Brooklyn and the Lakers. But what's 359 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: fascinating the staffs fit perfectly with the rosters. And I 360 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: do think if Vogel could pick the team in the 361 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: NBA he likes, he would take Anthony Davis, Lebron James, 362 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: and Andre Drummond, and Antony would say, yeah, I got 363 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: three scores, two great guards, and so I do think 364 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: there's a likelihood they get to the finals together. It 365 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: is an ultimate chess match, and it'll be It won't 366 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: be quick. I mean Miami Heat and a bunch of kids, 367 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: and Jimmy Butler took him sick. It would be a 368 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: six or seven game series. So that's how I see it. 369 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: I do think if Brooklyn gets past Philly, which is 370 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: not a great matchup, then you're gonna get a chess 371 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: match in the finals. Anything I just said you disagree with, No, 372 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: I what I want to drill down on the coaching 373 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: part of it for a moment, because I think that 374 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't think Brooklyn's going to make the finals, and 375 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: I but set aside that opinion. What they need is 376 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: at the very least a Frank Vogel type on that staff. 377 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: What they need is somebody. It's not only that Brooklyn 378 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: doesn't have a single great defensive player on the roster. 379 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: They had one in Jared Allen, by the way, but 380 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: he was part of the Harden trade. It's not only 381 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: that they don't have, like the to me, a traditional 382 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: roster configuration as far as bigs, wings and point guards. 383 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: It's also that everyone that matters is, as you put it, 384 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: focus on one end of the court. They're three best players, 385 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: their head coach, and their assistant coach, who is the 386 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: most important assistant coach in basketball. D'Antoni is the only 387 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: real assistant coach that matters for a contending team. Because 388 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: Steve Nash is new to all of this, and that's 389 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: not a knock on Nash, but the Antoni's important there. 390 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: So the fact that they all are just go, go 391 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: go score, score score, and they don't you know, what 392 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: they needed really was a defensive big. They didn't get that. 393 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: If you can't get the personnel, then maybe find a 394 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: coach who can drill on that part of it. They 395 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: don't have that either. The Lakers have built, to me, 396 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: like the entire coaching staff of Vogel staff around defense, 397 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: with the confidence that it is impossible for a team 398 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: with Lebron James, certainly a team of Lebron James and 399 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis to be bad on offense, that the offense 400 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: will take care of itself when Lebron's on the court. 401 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: And so what we need is for everyone else to 402 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: care about defense and what you've gotten and Vogel should 403 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: get tremendous credit for this. It's a guy like Kyle 404 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: Kuzma now bison on defense and bust his ass on defense. 405 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: He's like, that's my I understand that is part of 406 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: winning in this role for this team, and that's super important. 407 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: Markith Morris on a minimum contract like is buying into 408 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: those things. So that's where Vogel's been excellent I do 409 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: hope we get Nets Lakers in the finals. I don't 410 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,959 Speaker 1: think we will, but that is the most it is 411 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: the most fascinating for a million reasons that you mentioned 412 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: different styles it would have. You could argue, you could 413 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: make the argument that lebron KD harden A d are 414 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: four of the five best players in the entire league. 415 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: And by the way, Kyrie Irving is you know, ten, eleven, twelve, 416 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: something like that. So it would the star power be 417 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: unbelievable and it would be the ultimate threes versus twos 418 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: because the Lakers could get layups almost anytime they wanted, 419 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: and the Nets are going to shoot a million high 420 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: percentage threes and see who wins. Yeah, I think Philadelphia 421 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: stands in the way I think. I think Joe lmbad 422 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: is a disruptor. I think Simmons the great defensive guard, 423 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: Tobias Harris under Doc plays well. They shoot enough threes. 424 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: I do think Philadelphia is a matchup. I don't think 425 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: Boston matches up offensively, but I think Philadelphia can match 426 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: up on both ends and is a much better defensive team. 427 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: Well here's what I think. I think that it's the 428 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: one seed is going to have immense importance. Not because 429 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: of home court, because we don't even know how many 430 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: fans are going to be allowed. Not because of that, 431 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: but if you're the two seed and you get Miami 432 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: in Round one, Miami this year is not Miami last year, 433 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: but they're not going to get swept. They're going to 434 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: take a game off you and physically beach up a 435 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: little bit. And more importantly, the two seed then has 436 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: Milwaukee in Round three. And what Milwaukee is not the 437 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: same Milwaukee as last year. They added Drew Holiday and 438 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: they got PJ. Tucker during the season. PJ Tuckers played 439 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: in big games for the last five years, excellent on defense, 440 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: tough as a rock, and we'll hit corner threes. I 441 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: don't think Milwaukee will beat either of those teams in 442 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: a series, but there is the element of when the 443 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: seventy three win Warriors lost to the Caves. They lost 444 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: that series for two reasons. One is Lebron had the 445 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: greatest three game starts in the history of the league, 446 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: and the other is because the Oklahoma City took them 447 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: seven the round before, and they were tired and they 448 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: were a little gimpie and they had you know, they 449 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: had you only have so much to give in this 450 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: sprint of the playoffs, and if you're the one seed 451 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: and you're playing the winner of Atlanta New York in 452 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: round two and the other team is playing Milwaukee, that 453 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: is a massive edge. So I just think the one 454 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: seed is going to be critically important. I know Philadelphia 455 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: thinks it's important. I don't think Brooklyn does, and so 456 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: I think Philly's getting up the one seed. And I 457 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: think a big part of the Eastern Governmence Finals is 458 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: going to be how easy Round two was and wasn't 459 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: for those two Another NBA topic, it doesn't really matter because, 460 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: as I've tried to tell people who talk about ratings content, 461 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: all these networks are starved for content. And so the 462 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: bottom line is, it doesn't matter if the baseball ratings 463 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: are down or the hockey ratings are down. I mean, 464 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: hockey ratings have been terrible forever. They're still getting ESPN 465 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: and t n T or TBS to pay form. It 466 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, is it. It could be argued, though it 467 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: is a little alarming that the NBA's lost about thirty 468 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: percent of TV ratings last two years. There's a I 469 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: don't I don't think ratings are ever one thing. I 470 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: think cable's going down. I think regular season ratings are 471 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: going down. I think even the NFL ratings went down. 472 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: I think that's the reality of it. I also think 473 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: because of a condensed schedule, more stars are taking off 474 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: just getting ready for the playoffs. I would do the 475 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: exact same thing. So but but it is. It is 476 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: something many have suggested, and I think again, I think 477 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: it could be part of it. They've been more aggressive 478 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: on social issues and there are some people that go 479 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: to sports and don't want to deal with that crap. 480 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: As somebody who's an NBA fan active in social opinions, 481 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: what do you make It won't affect the bottom line. 482 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: They're going to get a massive number for their deal. 483 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: That's not the issue. We all know that. But if 484 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: I ran the league, I wouldn't love the direction of 485 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: the TV ratings. It would give me less leverage than 486 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: I want when I go up for negotiation. Why have 487 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: they lost thirty percent or roughly? They're about two years 488 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: all right, So I do think there is a percentage 489 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: of that that has to do with the social issues. 490 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: But I also think the people angriest about the social 491 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: issues are not diehard NBA fans and those people faintly like, listen, folks, 492 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: when you tweet me, this is why I don't watch 493 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: the NBA. I wish I could find you, give you 494 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: a polygraph and be like, have you watched a game 495 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: since John Stockton retired? Like, be honest with me, because 496 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't think you have. Like I think a lot. 497 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't think the NBA turned off their core customer 498 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: by being on the correct side of police violence and 499 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: alone social justice. I do think they lost a percentage, 500 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: and I think the league decided it's worth it to us, 501 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: it's important to our players. We are an overwhelmingly black league, 502 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: and we're not going to silence our guys on it, 503 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: and said we're gonna lean into it and it'll age 504 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: well with history. But I'm sure I don't think that 505 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: helped the ratings. I'll tell you what I think hurts 506 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: the ratings. I think baseball and basketball are right now 507 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: both dealing with and football. This has not happened to 508 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: a misalignment of incentives. And by that I mean this 509 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: the gms who build the teams and picked the coaches 510 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: and picked the strategies. Their job is to win. The 511 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: owners and the league league's job is to create an 512 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: exciting television product. And as analytics have taught us on 513 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: baseball and basketball, not that dissimilar to the evolution of 514 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: poker from earlier. There's not a gray. There is a 515 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: right way and a wrong way to attack things. That 516 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: does give you an edge on the field. It is 517 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: not good for television the NBA becoming all threes, free 518 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: throws in dunks, just like baseball becoming walk strikeout, home run. 519 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: That's not good for TV. And I think that they 520 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: the leagues need to have a very hard conversation with themselves. 521 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: How do we change our rules to incentivize a more 522 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: diversified game play where everyone is not doing the same strategy. 523 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: Because that one of the things that is good about 524 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: the NFL is it's such a black boy analytically that 525 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: guys are trying a bunch of different things, and there 526 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: are different styles. It's not as different stylistically as college 527 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: football is. People are throwing more in things like that. 528 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: But the version of the shift and the opener has 529 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: not hit the NFL, and the version of fifty threes 530 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: a game and no mid range jump shots has not 531 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: hit the NFL. But it has major League Baseball in 532 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: the NBA. So you know how much I love the league. 533 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: But I think the players are better and I think 534 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: the teams are smarter, But it doesn't mean it's a 535 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: better product than it was a decade ago because everyone 536 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: plays the same style, and how many games come down 537 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: to this question who hit more threes? Oh, this team 538 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: was seventeen of thirty of thirty six. Oh, this team 539 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: got hot, they were twenty one of thirty nine. Will 540 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: then they won, and so they got to figure that out. 541 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: They have to figure that out. That to me is 542 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: the bigger problem is that now in the playoffs, it 543 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: figures itself out to a degree because the game slows 544 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: down some and there is more nuance. But I think 545 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: I don't think it's about Black lives matter being on 546 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: the court. I think it's about the fact that everyone 547 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: is playing the same style, and I don't think it's 548 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: as exciting for some people. You know, I got into 549 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: this topic on my show today. I said there's no 550 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: perfect husband, wife, political candidate, quarterback. I'm never when I 551 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: created the volume, I was never worried about what people 552 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: couldn't do. I was trying to find people that can 553 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,239 Speaker 1: do things. I knew we were all going to talk 554 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: about the same sports, but I wanted people with different angles, 555 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: and Jenkins and Jones didn't sound like anybody I knew, 556 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: so they can deliver. I'm not asking them to do 557 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: play by play. I'm not asking them to host. I'm 558 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: asking him and make me laugh and make me think 559 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: they did things I can't do. Renee Paquette a keep 560 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: to leave Alex Monico. So I was in the can business. 561 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: I don't care what you can't do. And I talked 562 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: about this on the show. I even talked a little politics. 563 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: I said. One of the things that drive drives me 564 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: crazy with Democrats. Republicans tend to find a candidate candidate 565 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: and if they mostly believe in what he does, he 566 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: checks three or four main boxes, then they get in line. 567 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: They're not seeking perfection. Democrats don't get in line. They 568 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: get in they fall in love, not in line, and 569 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: they go, oh, Bet is the best and mayor Peat's 570 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: the best. But if they don't agree up and down 571 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: the line on virtually everything, he's a bad candidate, and 572 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, stop, stop it. Democrats drive me nuts this 573 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: way that they often eat their own, they eat their young, 574 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: They eat their candidates. And my theory and I was 575 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: talking about Zion and Lamar was Zion. We have now 576 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: been paralyzed by what he can't do. Hit threes. He 577 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: is the most efficient score for his age in the 578 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: history of the league. Bucky Brooks, I love, but he 579 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: suggested they should move off Lamar Jackson and go get 580 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: justin Field. And I'm like, he's thirty and four against 581 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: the league not named Patrick Mahomes. He's won a road 582 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: playoff game, he's twenty four. What he can do, he's otherworldly. 583 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: You cannot compare him to Patrick Mahomes. There's one of 584 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: those in the world, maybe two. And so kind of 585 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: your thoughts on Zion and Lamar, we are stuck in 586 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: this well, they don't do it. And my takeaways are 587 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: you people nuts? What they do they do better than 588 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: any humans on the planet currently. So before I answer that, 589 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: I want to respond to your initial political analogy because 590 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: I think it's really smart and I think both parties 591 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: would be better, would be very well served to take 592 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: something from the other in this regard. In my experience, 593 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: ardent conservatives or republic Plikans to use your example, they 594 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: root for their candidates like a sports team, like I'm 595 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: a root for the Chiefs basically, no matter what, like 596 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: it's just they're my team. And so there there will 597 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: be some people who you know to this day, or 598 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: it will be like, Nope, there were weapons of mass 599 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: destruction in a rock because they are pot committed buddy, 600 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: It's like, nope, I'm all in. On the flip side 601 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: to your point about Democrats, there will be Democrats who 602 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: it's like a critically important election against an abhorrent candidate. 603 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,959 Speaker 1: On the other side, it's like, wow, I don't know 604 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: if he doesn't support exactly this, I'm turning on it 605 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 1: and and brutal. It's brutal. It's brutal. And for me, listen, 606 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a labor Democrat. I came up in 607 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: a union household for a guy I and I obviously 608 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: deeply care about social issues, but I really care about 609 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: the average American worker being able to, you know what 610 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: I mean, raise their overall level. When I see when 611 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: I see these things, I'm like, we're gonna lose to 612 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 1: the wing night because we're gonna kill our own guy. 613 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: So I wish democrats could have a little more. All right, 614 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: let's see the big picture, you know what I mean, 615 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: and you know, kind of move forward and understand there aren't. 616 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: And I also wish that some Republicans could do a 617 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: better job of being like, Okay, this guy's accused of 618 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: doing what at the mall in Alabama. Okay, I can't 619 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: with him like there should be and so that I 620 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: agree with that takeoleheartedly. Now I'm Zion and Lamar, I 621 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,399 Speaker 1: we of course, this is something that Bill Simmons said 622 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 1: a long time ago, and I just give him credit 623 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: because I think he's right. There are certain guys that 624 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: are ninety ten guys, and I would argue for a 625 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: long part of his career, Russell Westbrooks been one of 626 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: these guys. We're ninety percent of the stuff they do 627 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: is all but ten percent of the stuff they do 628 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 1: is not only bad, it's glaringly bad. It's like obviously bad, 629 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: and we focus all on the tent. So with Lamar, 630 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: for example, listen, I think Lamar has been misdiscussed from 631 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: the very beginning. People were too critical of him, which 632 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: made people too protective of him, which made people It's 633 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: like a weird cycle where there's some people act like 634 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: he is. There are no holes in his game, and 635 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: some people act like he's still has proven nothing even 636 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: though he want an MVP. There can be some nuance there. 637 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: There is obviously a way to defend Lamar Jackson, which 638 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: is if you can, and it's very hard to do, 639 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: take away the run. He's going to have some games 640 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: where he's just an inaccurate passer, where he is not 641 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: great yet at surveying the entire field and throwing the 642 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: ball accurately. But that shouldn't be the focus on him 643 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: when what he his teammates love him. He is an 644 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: excellent leader. He is the most dynamic athlete we've had 645 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: at the position since Vic and maybe including Vic. He's 646 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: durable despite getting his ass kicked repeatedly. He's always popping up. 647 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: He's young, he gets in no trouble. So what we 648 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: focus on things he can't do. And it's similar like 649 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: you're saying with Zion. Zion's played less than ninety career 650 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: NBA games. He scores twenty seven a night. On Shack's 651 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: shooting percentage, is he can you give him the ball 652 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: to shoot a pull up mid range jump shot. No, 653 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: But until somebody shows they can stop him from getting 654 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 1: to the rim. Who gives a damn, and so there 655 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: is there's a lot of like concern trolling with some 656 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: of these guys, like the Zion. It's like, well, if 657 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: this doesn't happen, then in four years, right, if in 658 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 1: four years he's the same player, then you're just gonna 659 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: have to accept. Okay, I guess all he's ever going 660 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: to be is the ninth best player in the world. 661 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: Like he's because he's already a fringe top ten guy. 662 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: If he never gets better, he stays there. So yes, 663 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: I agree. I think there is too much focus on 664 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: for certain guys what they can't do, and there are 665 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: certain guys where the opposite's true. I'll use the hey 666 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: people think I'm too hard on him. I think the 667 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: quarterback of the New York Giants is an example of this. 668 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: Everyone there he throws a beautiful deep ball, but he's 669 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: bad at everything else. But everyone is like, oh my god, 670 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: like look at these traits, these tools, like he can yeah, 671 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: but he fumbles more than any player ever. He doesn't 672 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 1: read the field particularly well. I thought he was fast 673 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: and had that one really good run then he just 674 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: fell down on his own, like, but he's just focusing 675 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: on like the one so there are certain guys we 676 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: focus on one great skill, and the certain guys who 677 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: have a bunch of great skills will focus on the 678 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: one bad things, the thing they don't have. You know, 679 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: I usually Wednesdays we converge on the we didn't this week. 680 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw something else I talked about today 681 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: that we probably would have talked about on TV, and 682 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: that is the NFL is very much a fear based league. 683 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: Last year, the top twenty five picks in the NFL's 684 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: first round all played significant minutes. In the NBA, your 685 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: top ten picks are often ceiling guys. I'm not going 686 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: to get much for two or three years. Joe Lmba's 687 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: a classic example, but his ceiling is huge. If you 688 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: do that in the NFL the Packers did with Jordan Love. 689 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,720 Speaker 1: They're still getting ripped for it because and my theory 690 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: is in the NBA that you can be fired as 691 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: a coach or at GM. I mean, Dan Tony will 692 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,479 Speaker 1: get another job and he doesn't even want to coach 693 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: defense or bigs, He'll get another job. Frank Vogel got 694 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: fired twice, not only got a good job, got the 695 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: best job. The Lakers Lebron Tibbs was like a tire 696 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: fire gets the I love stan Bean Gundy commentary on Twitter. 697 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: He has not shown me ever that he's a good coach, 698 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: and he just keeps getting jobs, just keep so. In 699 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 1: the NBA, there is a sense the GM and the coach. Hey, 700 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: it's the process. It's okay, we don't need a guy now. 701 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: If he hits big and bead will be a one 702 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: or two seed. The NFL it's different. I mean, John 703 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 1: Grun's the only guy with the leash. He has a 704 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and has gotten better in all the years 705 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: he's been there, and we're just about done with him. 706 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 1: We're just about done with him. My point is the 707 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: Niners don't care about ceiling. Kyle Shanahan's like I'm in 708 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: the toughest division easily. The Rams got better, the Seahawks 709 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: got better than Arizonna is better. Garoppolo can't stay healthy, 710 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: and in four years I have three losing seasons. I 711 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: don't give a shit about ceiling. I have to win now. 712 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: And Mac Jones had a pro coordinator in college, a 713 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: pro coach through the pros and in the SEC face pros, 714 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 1: and for the next three years he'll be Kirk Cousins. Yeah, 715 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm number two all time to Patrick Mahomes in the 716 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: first sixteen starts for my quarterback, Nick Mullins is second 717 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: behind Patrick Mahomes first sixteen starts. And by the way, 718 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: the last two times Kyle Shanahan's had a quarterback that's 719 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: healthy for a year, Matt Ryan Shanahan, he got to 720 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: a Matt Ryan garoppolo, he got to a Nuper Bowl. 721 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: So my takeaway is even Shanahan, there's some fear based 722 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: mechanism for NFL coaches where my runway if I lose 723 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: again because I'm developing Trey Lance the sh trouble here, right, 724 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: and so that's that's really fascinating. And I now have 725 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: been become resigned to the fact that they are taking 726 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: mac Jones. And it's because of the press conference Monday, 727 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: when I know everyone was focused on everything Shanahan said. 728 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: Shanahan's like, listen, might be Pompey over here. We might 729 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: all be dead on Sunday, like I can't hear. The 730 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: most interesting part was when John Lynch said, without saying it, 731 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 1: this ain't my pick boys. He said, Kyle's our coach, 732 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: He's our offensive coordinator. It's a quarterback genius. I would 733 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: be insane not to listen to what who he wants 734 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: of that position. Back to me was John Lynch saying, 735 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: Kyle's it's all the credit is the right guy. But 736 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: also that's his pick. It's his pick because I don't 737 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: think they're necessarily the same page there, so I think 738 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: they are probably gonna take mac Jones. I also think, 739 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 1: and I tweeted it out Tuesday morning so people can 740 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,760 Speaker 1: go check the link. Peter King was in the draft 741 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: room with Lynch and Shanahan for their first draft ever 742 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, and his entire article is there three days 743 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: and it is a fascinating reread because they had you remember, 744 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: they had the number two pick. They trade back with 745 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: Chicago from two to three. They trade back intent of 746 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,760 Speaker 1: either taking at three Solomon Thomas from Stanford or Ruben Foster, 747 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,240 Speaker 1: the linebacker from Alabama. They were going to take him three. 748 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,879 Speaker 1: Solomon's there, they take Solomon Mahomes Watson no consideration they 749 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: had Brian Hoyer. They then trade back into the first 750 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: round to get Ruben Foster. They then trade up at 751 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: the end of the third round to take CJ. Bethard 752 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: at quarterback who. Peter King quotes Shanahan or Lynch in 753 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: the article saying, this is the only quarterback in the 754 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: entire draft. Kyle liked that draft had to Shaun Watson, 755 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes in it. He could have taken either one 756 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 1: of them. The only quarterback he liked was CJ. Bethard 757 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: four years removed from that. Just for the record, Ruben 758 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: Foster's out of the league, Solomon Thomas doesn't play for 759 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: them anymore, and neither to CJ. Bethard. Now they got 760 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: George Kittle in that draft, though, so like nobody cares, 761 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: and the team went to the Super Roll a year later, 762 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: so nobody cares. But I do think that two things 763 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: can be true. Kyle Shanahan can get the absolute most 764 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: out of any quarterback and can be the best play 765 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 1: designer in football. I think that might be true. Andy 766 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,439 Speaker 1: Reid's close, but that might be true. And it also 767 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: might be true the guy might not have great and 768 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: a great eye for quarterback talent, thank you, And so 769 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 1: we're about to find out because he's got They traded 770 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: up knowing they're not going to be able to get 771 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: Lawrence or Wilson one of fields, Lance or Jones. I 772 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: would imagine at least one of them is gonna be awesome. 773 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: I would imagine at least one of them is not 774 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,720 Speaker 1: going to work at all, and we'll see what happens 775 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: with the third. It's important he'd be right. It's important 776 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 1: he'd be right, and we'll see if he is. I 777 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: root for all these kids, So I'm not gonna say 778 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: mac Jones won't work. He wouldn't be my pick. But 779 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: it's not you know, it's not my team. But I 780 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 1: think you bring up an interesting point is that Kyle 781 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: Shanahan there's some confirmation bias. He has worked with pocket guys. 782 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he was in Washington and he worked well. 783 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 1: He saw RG three, who was a kind of a 784 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 1: one side of the field reader who got hurt, and 785 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: he's like, uh. Kirk Cousins has never missed a game 786 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: except for I think once in Week seventeen he sat out. 787 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: There was playoffs. So in his world, Matt shab one 788 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:35,760 Speaker 1: for him, Matt Ryan and Kirk Cousins and J Jimmy 789 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: one him. Yeah. So his thing is I had a 790 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: running guy, RG three and he lasted a year, and 791 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: that's not what I want. But I think your other 792 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,240 Speaker 1: point is true is that we tend to think great 793 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: calling plays. He knows talent. John Grune's the greatest example. 794 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: John Gruden falls in love with everybody. GM's fall in 795 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 1: like with people. Chris Ballard falls in like with people 796 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,399 Speaker 1: and falls in love with everybody. Therefore, he's a very 797 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: to me poor personnel guy. I mean, even their picks 798 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: they got off Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper. One of them, 799 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: Jacobs can play. The rest of them are reaches or 800 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: can't play. So Shannon's in a very interesting situation where 801 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm told by somebody I trust the personnel. People don't 802 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: love mac Jones, but Kyle's the star and the organization, 803 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,239 Speaker 1: and a star wins, especially at that position, especially if 804 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: they if they weren't taking a quarterback, then I think 805 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,800 Speaker 1: it wouldn't just be Kyle's call, if you know what 806 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: I mean. If they if they were in love with 807 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, but for some reason they had the super 808 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: high pick and it's like it's either Kyle Pitts or 809 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 1: Wattle or then I think it's a real discussion. But 810 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: if it's the quarterback, Kyle's going to win, like he's 811 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: You're you don't have him there to not let him 812 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: have his quarterback, especially once you make the call to 813 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: It's amazing to me how immediately how quickly we all 814 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: adjusted to the reality on the ground. Nobody before the 815 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: Niners traded three first round picks to move from twelve 816 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: to three, no one was saying this was like, oh 817 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,439 Speaker 1: my god, they've got to move into the top five. 818 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,839 Speaker 1: They've got to do this, and what The part of 819 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: this that is the most fascinating to me is the 820 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: mac Jones hype and you know, buzz whatever started with 821 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,319 Speaker 1: them trading up. Had they not if they end up 822 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: taking him at three, I do think a huge what 823 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,360 Speaker 1: if is wasn't he going to be there at twelve? 824 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: And if he wasn't going to be there at twelve, 825 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,720 Speaker 1: certainly he was going to be there at six, which 826 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: we saw Miami trade down to twelve, of them back 827 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,640 Speaker 1: to six, you could have gotten there. So it's like 828 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: they created the market for him, which is why for 829 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 1: a long time, and I said on your show, I 830 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 1: thought it was all a smoke stream. I thought it 831 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: was Justin Fields because Justin Fields wasn't gonna be there 832 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,240 Speaker 1: at twelve. Now folks are saying Justin Fields could slide 833 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,880 Speaker 1: to the Patriots of fifteen. I don't understand any of it. 834 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,840 Speaker 1: I just I sometimes feel bad because I don't watch, 835 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, twelve hours of college football of Saturday, because 836 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm watching twelve hours of the NFL, and I Saturday, 837 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: I'll watch a couple college football games. Would also do 838 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: something my family. But then I don't feel bad at 839 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,920 Speaker 1: all because I'm like, it must not matter. So it's 840 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: Justin Fields for having awesome. It's great. Now people are 841 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: like Chris Simms, like he's gonna fall to thirty two 842 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,879 Speaker 1: to the Bucks. Get get the hell out. He's gonna 843 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: fall to thirty two to the Bucks. Yeah, Chris Simms, 844 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:41,320 Speaker 1: who I love his He had the zaniest, zaniest mock draft. 845 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: First round. Let's have the Jets taking a defensive lineman. 846 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,479 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's all they have, that's their only good unit. 847 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,920 Speaker 1: They're not taking a defensive lineman. Let's let's be honest 848 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: about And I know you put out a mock draft 849 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: and I did a fake you know, like Big board 850 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 1: of Top ten or whatever. Can I tell you why 851 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: Simms had the best mock draft? Here's what why? Because 852 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,879 Speaker 1: we're talking about it, because then there is nothing more 853 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 1: make believe in our business than the mock drafts. Especially 854 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: when someone's like I'm gonna release fiveable It's like, well 855 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 1: then I know your best Like whatever, you're the one, 856 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: the things you don't believe are going to be in 857 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,279 Speaker 1: the first one because you want your last one to 858 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: be accurate. And so Chris Simms got it. He's like, man, 859 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: what if I have the guy who ninety days ago 860 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,839 Speaker 1: was the consensus number two pick fall to thirty two 861 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 1: and have Tampa take him. It's like, boom, got it? 862 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 1: You know, you know it's his mock draft is the 863 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,800 Speaker 1: version of you know, who's the NBA MVP Julius Randall. 864 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 1: It's like, wait, but to shut up? But but its 865 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,959 Speaker 1: people are like us, did you hear what they said? 866 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: He's the MVP? Mick right? I don't even want to 867 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: spoil it. Forty five great minutes. I don't want to 868 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,399 Speaker 1: take too much of your time. It's it's it. We're 869 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 1: taping this on Tuesday night. You got your family. I'm 870 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,360 Speaker 1: so happy you went rolled the die. I could have 871 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: never done that in Vegas. You took ninety g's came back. Well, 872 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 1: you're not gonna tell me what you came back with, 873 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,880 Speaker 1: but you wont in poker. I'm just very happy for 874 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 1: you right now. It was good, This is thrilling. We 875 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,880 Speaker 1: obviously should do this again soon. And you said, like 876 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 1: you said, we're doing this Tuesday night. People who are 877 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,400 Speaker 1: here at Wednesday, and I will be on TV with 878 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: you this week. Last week I was in Vegas, so 879 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: I couldn't be so we can talk more soon. But 880 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:36,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Colin, continue your buddy. You two all right, Everybody, 881 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,440 Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed it. 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