1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: me Tommy Di Dario. Today's guest is someone who I 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: have been jamming out to non stop lately. Leanne Pinock 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: is best known for being in the multi platinum selling 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: British girl group Little Nix. She got her big break 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: on the UK version of the popular show X Factor, 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: where Little Mix was formed, and then went on to 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: take over the world for eleven years, seventy million records worldwide, 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: five UK number one singles, touring with Ariana Grande and 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Semi Lovado. You know, things that are really easy to achieve. 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: But now Leanne is stepping into her solo artist era 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: with two hot singles that dropped this summer. She is 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: embracing the genres of music like afrobeat's, UK garage, R 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: and B and dance, and they're truly reflections of her 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: love of music and her Black heritage. And if these 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: singles are any dedication of what we can expect with 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: the album, well it's gonna be pretty damn special. So 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: today we go deep as Leanne opens up about things 19 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: like breaking free from a group dynamic to share her 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: truest self, to the importance of loving yourself enough to 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: know your worth, and also how she's reclaiming her own power, 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: and we get a little sneak peek into what's to 23 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: come on her debut album. Leanne feels deeply and I 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: am so grateful that she shared her beautiful soul with 25 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: me today. So let's see if today we can get 26 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: Leanne to say something that she's never said before. Leanne, 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: my friend, how are you? 28 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you? 29 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm good? It's been a minute. It's so good to 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: see you look and. 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: Fly as always and you lovely. 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you. I'm so excited to chat 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: with you. You have so many exciting things going on 34 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: right now in your life. I follow you on the Gram. 35 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: I see every other day. I feel like there's something 36 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: new that's popping up and exciting for you. 37 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. God, yeah, lots and lots going on. But yeah, 38 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: all exciting things, all good things. Good. 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: Well. I love to hear that. I want to bring 40 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: it back for a minute now. I know a lot 41 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: of people are very familiar with you, obviously, but for 42 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: those listening and those who want to get more familiar 43 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: with your work, I want to give a backstory because 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: I think it's so cool when I read this about you. 45 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: I don't hear this about a lot of people. I 46 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: certainly didn't feel this way when I was a young kid. 47 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: But I know at the age of eleven you decided 48 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: you were going to be a pop star? Is that right? 49 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I just know. 50 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: How in the world do you know that at that age? 51 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: I think I knew earlier than that. I think it 52 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: was I think it's from the age of nine. Actually, 53 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: I just loved sing. I sang all the time, and yeah, 54 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think from that young age, like 55 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: I had this obsession of singing and want to be 56 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: on stage as shy as I was, so I was 57 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: really really shy. But I just I don't know. I 58 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: just always loved it, and then I never let go 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: of that. 60 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: Was there a pop star at that age that you 61 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: particularly loved and said, oh, that's gonna be me. 62 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 2: Oh at that age, I can just remember loving the 63 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 2: Spice Girls. I just remember looking up to my sister 64 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: and we had like a stars and the rise in 65 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: school where you basically just dressed up as your favorite 66 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: artist or whatever and perform. And my sister was in 67 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: the Spices Girls, and she was Melby and I remember 68 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: watching her and just being mesmerized. But yeah, I can 69 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: just remember loving the Spice Girls. 70 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: Okay, which one were you? I was obviously Melcy growing. 71 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: Up, so ah, I mean one hundred percent Melby. 72 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Melby's great. I mean, come on, love that. 73 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: So that's so cool. So you knew from a young 74 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: age and then obviously the world met you in about 75 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: twenty eleven ish, I want to say it was the 76 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: first time we saw you auditioning on The X Factor 77 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: and you went on to be put into the girl 78 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: group Little Mix, which of course is one of the 79 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: most successful British girl groups in the history of pop 80 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: music in the world. So what was the kind of 81 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: decade of your life when you were a part of 82 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: that group, you know, before you took the hiatus. How 83 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: would you describe that period of your life. I mean, 84 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: I imagine it must have been a whirlwind. 85 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we went from four normal girls just 86 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: from working class families and just like to all of 87 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: a sudden, our lives changing overnight and we became these 88 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: massive pop stars and it was just like we didn't 89 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: even get a second to comprehend what had just happened 90 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: or process it. It was just gone and had the 91 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: most amazing ten years of my life and so much 92 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: fun and accomplished my dream and like we we've toured 93 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: around the world, like we've won so many awards and 94 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: we've broken records, Like, yeah, it's it's incredible. 95 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: Were you able to appreciate everything as you were going 96 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: through it in the moment or was it just this 97 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: machine that you were a part of that it was 98 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: hard to reflect on and say, oh my god, I 99 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: did that. I'm a badass. 100 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: Well yes, it did go like it was constant, go, 101 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 2: go going, like you didn't really get second to We 102 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: hardly even saw our family, you know, like we were 103 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: just constantly working and we had to like we knew 104 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: we had to we had to graft to get to 105 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: where we wanted to be, especially for a girl band. 106 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: But then I do remember like moments where I would 107 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: step back and I would just say to the girls randomly, 108 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: can you believe the star life? Like why am I 109 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: still pinching myself? Like this this is actually like we 110 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: are living our dream. This is wild, and like there 111 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: would be moments like that, but you'd have to just 112 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: just step back and just look at everything that we've done, 113 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: and like, yeah, it's yeah wild. 114 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: It's truly an outer body experience when you can have 115 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: that moment in your life and your career and say, 116 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe I'm doing this right. 117 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: And I think those magical moments are things we never 118 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: should lose real quick, Was there a moment that you 119 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: remember that vividly happening for you kind of like whoa 120 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: is this happening? 121 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like there were like many moments 122 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: where that happened, but I think the thing think that's 123 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: the one thing that sticks out was when we performed 124 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: at the Brits we won our first brit Award and 125 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: we've performed at Madison Square Garden the next day supporting 126 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: Ariana Grande, and like it was like two days of 127 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: all these incredible things that we set out to achieve, 128 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 2: like win a brit Award was on our bucket list 129 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 2: to do, and to perform Madison Square Garden like an 130 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: absolute dream. So yeah, to be able to knock those 131 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: things off like in two days was just like yeah dream. 132 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, You've You've accomplished so much and now now 133 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: you're in a new chapter of your career. It is 134 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: your solo era and you are killing it with the 135 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: music that I have heard. It is on my gym playlist. Yes, 136 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: I danced to it at the gym. It is so fantastic. 137 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: So many questions for you. So what made you decide 138 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: to launch a solo career for number one? 139 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone in the group ever saw the end, 140 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: if that makes sense, Like five years ago, like we 141 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: literally thought we would be together forever, like that's just 142 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: what we saw. But I think being in something for 143 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: so long, like twelve years we was in this group, 144 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: and I think it just came to a point where 145 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: we're like, we need to do this on our own, 146 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: Like we need to know what it feels like. We 147 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: need to experience just standing on our own two feet. 148 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: It's just been such a crazy journey so far. But 149 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: I just think it was just the right time for 150 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: all of us. 151 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: Can I imagine there must be personal messages that you 152 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: would want to put out in your own music, and 153 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: the girls as well that in a group, sometimes it's 154 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: hard to be able to do that right. Like you 155 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: you have your own voice, you have your own identity, 156 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: and there are things that you live and experience that 157 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: I don't and other people don't, and you want to 158 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 1: put that in the world right. 159 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: One, one hundred percent And if you can imagine like 160 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: not really being able to fully express yourself for that 161 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: long And I love writing, and like me and Jay 162 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: did quite a lot of the writing in the group. 163 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: And to now be able to go into rooms and 164 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: talk about all of the hardships and the struggles and 165 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: the great stuff and just just everything that's ever weighed 166 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: on my heart, like I get to now fully express 167 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: that and put that into my art. And oh, it's 168 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: just the most liberating feeling. 169 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: Well, and you say that you now are also super 170 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: excited to explore black music and to dive into that 171 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: in a way that you've never been able to do 172 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: that before. Talk to me more about that. 173 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously Little Mix was like a predominantly 174 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: pop music go band, like that was what we were. 175 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: And I just remember like sometimes being in sessions like 176 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: please can we write an R and B so jam? Please? 177 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: Can we write an R and B so jam? Like, 178 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: but that just wasn't what it was going to be. 179 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, it feels amazing, you know, like the music 180 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: that I'm into the music that makes me me the 181 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: music that I'm connected to and I've loved listening to 182 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: growing up, like R and B reggae, like afrobeats, like 183 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: this is a music that inspires me and makes me up, 184 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: like I say, so, to get to explore that fully 185 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: and wholeheartedly is is just an incredible an incredible feeling. 186 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: And you commit. That's something I really admire about you, 187 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: is you put in the work. And I know you 188 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: went to a songwriting camp in Jamaica, right, h What 189 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: was that like? 190 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Jamaica is basically my second home, some court 191 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: of Asian Court Jamaican, and yeah, I go there every year. 192 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: My grandad lives there. So to actually write music there 193 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: like that is something I would have never been able 194 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: to do before. So yeah, and it was my first 195 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: basic one of my first camps that I did, and 196 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: it was where we actually got the bulk of the 197 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: album as well. Like it was, it was a phenomenal camp. 198 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: It was so good. Some of the best producers and 199 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: writers and like people that are now consider as family, 200 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: like I've just that I love and I know that 201 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to get great stuff with. So yeah, it 202 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: was an amazing camp. 203 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: So what does that mean for someone who's not in music, 204 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: like a songwriting camp. Do you literally like move in 205 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: somewhere for a few weeks and what is it? 206 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: So? Yeah, you basically so, we had a place in Jamaica. 207 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: It's called Gjam. It's like a it's got studios and 208 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: like rooms and we all basically moved into the complex 209 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: and was there. Think it was about a week that 210 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: we did. And you wake up, you go to the 211 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: studio and there's different rooms and everyone's just vibing and 212 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: writing and bouncing off each other. And it's just an 213 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: amazing place for creatives to connect, I guess, And like, 214 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: even if you don't come out with songs like you've 215 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 2: you've managed to connect with other writers or other producers 216 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: and made bonds and it's really cool. I think the 217 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: fact that we was in Jamaica as well, and like 218 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 2: just like the scenery, like songs sound sounded different when 219 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: I was there. Does that make sense? I don't know what. 220 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: Songs have a different sort of feeling and meaning knowing 221 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: that I'd done them there as well, Like it was great. 222 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: I get the sense that you feel deeply with your 223 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: music and you write from a place of feeling so 224 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: authentic and real and you're not writing things based off 225 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: of ideas that don't exist. I get the impression you 226 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: write things based off of truly lived experiences. Is that right? 227 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 228 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: It is. 229 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: I feel like I don't know, I'm quite a deep person, 230 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: Like I love really hard. I'm quite emotional, like in 231 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: touch with my feelings, and I love to speak about 232 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: how I feel as well, and like being in the 233 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: studio and getting the opportunity to get things off my 234 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: chest and like put them down on paper and sing 235 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: them and put them into songs. Like I think it's 236 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: for me. It is basically a form of therapy, Like 237 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: I love it, and I set out knowing that I 238 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 2: wanted this album to feel personal and for the first 239 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: time I can really let people in and show people 240 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: who I really am and I can do that through 241 00:11:59,240 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: my music. 242 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: Is that hard for you to do? 243 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 2: Oh? 244 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah it is? It is. 245 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: It is as much as like as much as I 246 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: am quite an open person and like I wear my 247 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: heart in my sleeve, and like, if I'm in a 248 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: mood or if I'm not right, You're going to know 249 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: about it, because I just can't keep things in. There's 250 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: something about like going into a room where people you 251 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 2: don't know and telling them your deepest, darkest like that 252 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 2: feels strange and hard and like so many sessions, I 253 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: just cried and cried, and which I think is normal, 254 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: you know. I'm like, I'm talking about these sort of 255 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: struggles and things that I've faced, like whether it's stuff 256 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: that's from the group or stuff like in my relationship. 257 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: Like there's just so many experiences that I can now 258 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: fully let go, I guess. 259 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. And through letting go, you're helping so many people 260 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: listening who are going through similar things. And that's what's 261 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: so cool about music is it connects all of us. 262 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: And I love when artists like yourself really speak on 263 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: things that can help somebody in such a real way. 264 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: So I think that's amazing. Your songs, I mean the 265 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: singles we've heard so far, like My Love, Oh my 266 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: God that is by her. Talk to me about that one? 267 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: How did that that come to be? And did you 268 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: always have an idea for the video? I mean everything 269 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: about it is beautiful so much. 270 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so My Love. So we did a camp in 271 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: London actually, and it was I was welcomed Dio cam 272 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: Casa and then Chris Riddick as well. So it's like 273 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: my little writing family. And I remember listening to a 274 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: Shark's album and like sort of getting this, just absolutely 275 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: loving what he did and then wanting to sort of 276 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: incorporate all these different genres and just create something like new. 277 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: And I remember when it started to come about, I 278 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: was thinking, like I messaged my A and R and 279 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: I was like, we're doing something that's just so exciting 280 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: right now. It sounds like it's a bit afrobeats in there, 281 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: there's a little bit of piano, but then it's a 282 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: little bit folky as well, like and a bit of pop. 283 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: Like I don't really know what this is, but it's 284 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: so good and I just got that feeling. I just 285 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: knew that it was going to be the one, and 286 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: I was right. It's just the reaction has been amazing, 287 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: and I feel like for me, like this, this is 288 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: everything that I could have ever seen for myself as 289 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: an artist, Like this song, like this is my arrival, 290 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: like my stamp. 291 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: Really what makes this your stamp? 292 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: I feel like you watch the video and like it's 293 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: like a thing where you sort of see me settle 294 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: into myself. Maybe it's a feeling. It just feels right, 295 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: And yeah, the fact that we got to go to 296 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: Legos and shoot the video and like Iris star features 297 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: on it, and she's just phenomenal. It just feels like me. 298 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, even the dancers, You've hired local dancers. 299 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: Right, oh yeah, definitely, Yeah, that was really important and 300 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: I think like the dancers are, the energy is just 301 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: so beautiful and raw and just amazing. The whole thing's vision. 302 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: I'm so proud. I'm so proud, and shout out to 303 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: Meggie's Meggie Madaby, he's the director. Just he just got 304 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: it so so good. 305 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: This is it's so rewarding for me to be sitting 306 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: across from somebody and seeing their entire face light up 307 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: with pride, because that's what we all should want in 308 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: the work that we do, and we don't always get that, 309 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: and at different points of our lives we do have 310 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: to make some sacrifices in the hopes of getting there 311 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: one day, and you are there, you have arrived, and 312 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: you see that with this song. I also liked your 313 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: debut single, which I thought was great, Don't Say Love 314 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: and and I think the messages and that are super 315 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: powerful about loving yourself enough and not settling for being 316 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: undervalued or underappreciated. Where did that song come from? With 317 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: your life experience? 318 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, Don't Say Love. I feel like it was 319 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: just like the perfect introduction for me, and like it 320 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: allowed me to speak on something that I'd experienced and 321 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: that feeling of like being like overlooked or undervalued, and 322 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: like sometimes I did feel that when I was in 323 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: the group, and I speak about it in my documentary Race, 324 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: Pop and Power, and I really wanted to sort of 325 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: express it creatively, I think, and I felt like I 326 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: wanted to put that into my first single and almost 327 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: lay it to bed. It's quite exhausting talking about race, 328 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: if I'm honest, and I think I wanted to, yeah, 329 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: sort of like put it to bed, you know, and 330 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: like it doesn't define who I am. It's something that 331 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: I will continue to speak about, but in a way 332 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: where I've created my foundation call the Black Fund, and 333 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: it's like, if I'm honest, actually I'm tired of speaking 334 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: about it. I want to do something, and that's why 335 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: I created that. So yeah, I think that's where Don't 336 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: Say Love came. And I mean it's a bop, you know, 337 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: it's got the garage influencers in there as well, So yeah, 338 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: I thought it was like perfect introduction. 339 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: Do you feel like race is something people want to 340 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: talk to you all the time about? 341 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I feel like obviously because I did 342 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: do my documentary and I have been very like honest 343 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 2: and open about like my personal experiences with race, and like, 344 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: I think I have definitely got to the point now 345 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: where I'm like, I don't always need to talk about this, 346 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: you know, because like white artists won't get these same 347 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: questions and they can just focus on the music, you know. 348 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: So it's like, I think I should be able to 349 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: focus on the music. 350 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. And I think there's a 351 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: fine line between putting out messages that matter and trying 352 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: to share your story and your truth, but also then 353 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: not having to be a public speaker about it twenty 354 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: four to seven, seven days a week. You know. 355 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: It's always been something that's important for me to speak 356 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: up on and like, I'm really happy that I have. 357 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 2: But yeah, as I say, like for me, it's now 358 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: about action, which is why I create my foundation, And 359 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: I think, yeah. 360 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: It's amazing you did that. I'm with you one hundred percent. 361 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: We can we can speak about things till we turn 362 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: blue in the face, But it's about putting money where 363 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: amounts are and making things happen. So rock on for that. 364 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: When you look at your whole collective album, which I imagine 365 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: hopefully we will be getting sometime soon. Maybe maybe. 366 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean I can't wait for the album 367 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: out because I just want tall, like, I just want 368 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: to see my songs come to life, sing it in 369 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 2: front of my fans, perform and do what I just 370 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 2: love to do and do best. But yeah, I mean 371 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: I'm hoping next year. 372 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: All right, all right, next year, we're waiting for that. 373 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: What would you say is the overall theme of it 374 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: or is it also different? Like how would you describe 375 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: this album as a whole? 376 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I'd like to think of it as 377 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: an open letter talking about as I said before, yeah, 378 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: just my personal experiences. I think I'm going to bring 379 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 2: people into my world and get to know me more. 380 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: I love the fact that it explores all of these 381 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: different black music genres that that I love, but also 382 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: the pop girl that I am will always come through to. 383 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: It's exciting when you when you think of what you've 384 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: just accomplished. Assuming that the album's done right, not done yet, 385 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: not done yet okay, almost done. Will say, when you 386 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: look at what you've done with it all, do you 387 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: feel successful at this point of your life. 388 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: Yes, I'll tell you why I feel successful because I 389 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: feel very rich in love. Does that make sense, Yeah, 390 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 2: because I don't know. I think everything that we accomplished 391 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: with Little mis and everything that I did in the 392 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 2: group like so proud of and like we did so 393 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: incredibly well that now for me, everything I do going 394 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: forward like literally as a bonus, you know, like this 395 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: is the time where I can just enjoy it and 396 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 2: enjoy making art that is just coming from within me. Like, 397 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: so yeah, I do feel successful because everything that I'm 398 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 2: putting out I'm proud of, and I think I think 399 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: it's very different going from the group where we were 400 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 2: getting like number ones and like the numbers were huge 401 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: and whatever. Like now I am a new artist, so 402 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: it's gonna take some time, you know, like and I 403 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 2: basically have to start again. And that is like crazy 404 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: because like I've been in the industry for like twelve 405 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: years and now doing it all basically from the start, 406 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: but then kind of not doing it from the start 407 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: because I still have a bit of a fan base. 408 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: It's honestly, it's just it's very different wild. But yeah, 409 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 2: the answer you question is I do feel successful. 410 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: Well, and that's such a an AHA moment you just 411 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: gave me by saying you're a new artist, because I 412 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: would never consider that for you, and I think most 413 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: people would say, wait, what does that mean? Because you 414 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: have been in the business for a while now and 415 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: have had such massive success. But you're right when you 416 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: when you strip it all back and look at what 417 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: you're putting out now, yeah, you are a new artist. 418 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: Does that freak you out? Or is that just freeing? 419 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: I definitely have my moment of like whoa, Like I'm 420 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 2: really good to do this, while again like, okay, the 421 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: hard work doesn't stop. Basically, yeah, no, it obviously it 422 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: does feel freeing because, as I say, I get to 423 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 2: just do what I want to. It's no more compromise, 424 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: you know. But it like I do have moments where 425 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, this is this is hard, but 426 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: I want to do it. You know, I'm just going 427 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: to keep going. And as I say, like, I'm just 428 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: so proud of what I've already put out and I've 429 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: only had two songs out, you know, like MH I'm 430 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: excited for people to see the different sides. And I 431 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 2: guess I'm building a whole new fan base too, Like 432 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 2: I kind of always knew that not all of the 433 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: little mixed fan base would come along with me. So yeah, 434 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 2: it's the fun part, I guess is now, Yeah, building 435 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: building on what I have. 436 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: So you're at a point in your life and your 437 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: career right now where you're about to put something out 438 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: into the world in a few months next year that 439 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: is a whole new you. And you have had a 440 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: certain amount of success in the group that you were in, 441 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: and now you're going out, as you say, as a 442 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: new artist. So how do you not let that take 443 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: over your entire mind and being in terms of oh 444 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: my god, am I going to sell x amount of records? 445 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: Am I going to say? Is this single going to 446 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: be good? Are people going to watch a video ten 447 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: million times on YouTube? 448 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: Like? 449 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: How do you let go of it all? And I 450 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: think this is so applicable to anyone in any profession 451 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: who has something big about to happen for them, Like 452 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: are you equal to let go of it all? 453 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: I think like I recently I had to delete Instagram 454 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: and like, come off social media? Because I was becoming 455 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 2: obsessed like with like looking at views and likes and 456 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 2: comments and this and that, and it's like, oh my gosh, 457 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: Lenne like stop, like it's okay, You're doing fine. You 458 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: don't need to put this added pressure on yourself. And like, yeah, 459 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: I had a bit of a moment, but I think 460 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: it's like the want to do really well, and like 461 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: I know I am, but like I guess there's always 462 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: going to be that sort of pressure, you know, like 463 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: I've come from a machine that was doing all of 464 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 2: these records and like getting these numbers and getting these 465 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: number ones. I can now Yeah it's just like little 466 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: old me and I don't have my sister's hands to hold, 467 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 2: and like there's extra pressure because I'm doing it on 468 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: my own. So yeah, I think I just have to 469 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: sometimes just step back because it can get a lot, 470 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: I think, and just trust trust in the process and 471 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 2: like know that I'm doing great, doing good. 472 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you are, you are. And it's it's super 473 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: inspiring when anybody goes out and does something new and 474 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: risky so to speak, right, and you're doing this on 475 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: your own terms, which I think is the most rewarding 476 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: and hopefully that will keep you really grounded throughout it, 477 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: all right, so true fill in this blank for me. Okay, 478 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: my new album is a celebration. 479 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: Of ooh, a celebration of power. M regaining power. 480 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yes, Oh, you just gave me chills. Yeah, 481 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: regaining power. Okay, I love that. That couldnot be more badass. 482 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm here for that answer. Speaking of power, what would 483 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: you say is your superpower? 484 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 2: Oh? My superpower? I think my superpower is one of them. 485 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: I would say is drive. I get it from my 486 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 2: mom and my sisters. Like they just they're always crafting. 487 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: They're always just working hard and like nothing comes easy, 488 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: you know, like you have to you have to work 489 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 2: for stuff, Anything that's worth having you have to work for. 490 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: And yeah, I think I've just seen my mom just constantly, 491 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: constantly work a ass off, and it's just inspired me 492 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: and it's kind of been ingrained into me. 493 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's really crazy when you just said that, 494 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: and go with me here, I'm a little woo wooye. 495 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: So just bear with me. But for some reason, I'm 496 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: in New York City and I got a flash of 497 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: you doing Broadway no way, Yes I did, and as 498 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: soon and and drive, I mean, you have to have 499 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: so much drive in any obvious you know, artistic endeavor, 500 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: but live theater as well and doing it shows a week. 501 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I had a flash of like 502 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: Chicago or something. Would you ever do Broadway? 503 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: Wow? Do you know what I've I would never say 504 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 2: never to anything. To be honest, I feel like it's 505 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: it was like the right thing and like the right opportunity. 506 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: Who knows, it's a lot, it's a lot of work, 507 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: so yeah, never know. 508 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: All right, you never know. Hey, if that happens, we're 509 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: going to play this back. And I don't know, I 510 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: need a career change as the psychic or something. When 511 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: you think about your little self dreaming big and fast 512 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: forwarding to now and everything you've done in between, what 513 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 1: are you most proud of? 514 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: Hm? Oh wow? I mean I'm proud of being a 515 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 2: mum to my babies. I'm proud of like how I 516 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 2: managed to juggle things. But I just feel like that's 517 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: just women in general. Like I feel like we are 518 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: just superhuman in that sense, Like I don't know how 519 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 2: we do it, but we do. I'm proud of just 520 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: like everything that I've everything that I set out to 521 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 2: do when I was young, like, I'm proud that I 522 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: managed to do it, you know, And I think a 523 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 2: lot of that was one yet hard work. I think 524 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: even when people told me that I couldn't do it, 525 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 2: or like people put me down, like I just I 526 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 2: just didn't care from such a young age, like I 527 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: just I did not listen. And I truly believe like 528 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: that that sort of constant manifestation and just believing as 529 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 2: much as I could, like was a big part of it. 530 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: And I believe you when you say you're proud, because 531 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: I can again see you light up in your face, 532 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: and you probably don't take a lot of time, you know, 533 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: regularly to say, oh, this is what I'm proud of, right, 534 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: I mean, who does that? 535 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: No, It's important, though, to to sort of step back 536 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: and say that, yeah, because like if you don't say 537 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: it to yourself, like yeah, you need to. 538 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: And that's and that's such a good role model for 539 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: your your beautiful kids, and how lucky are they to 540 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: have that in a mother. I think that's amazing. So 541 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: the name of the show is called I've Never said 542 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: this before, And I am wondering if there's something you've 543 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: never said before. I know you've done a million interviews, 544 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: But is there anything you've never said, whether it's silly 545 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: or something deep, anything that you can think of. 546 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: Oh, oh gosh, do you know what? We Yeah, so 547 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 2: many interviews over the years, and I'm like, I feel 548 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: like people know everything. Oh my gosh, Okay, I think 549 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: I've got something. What do you got? Sad part of 550 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: the album? Just something I've been thinking about lately a 551 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: lot like Instagram, Like things are always appear to be 552 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: so perfect and roses and just you only really show 553 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: the best on Instagram, right, And like I think about 554 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: like relationships and like my relationship with my husband and 555 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 2: all the stuff we had to go through to get 556 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: to where we are today. And I think like a 557 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: lot of the time people are quick to not fight 558 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: for relationships and kind of like end it like if 559 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: something happens or whatever. But in my experience, like fighting 560 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: was the best thing I could have ever done. And 561 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: we're in a place now where it's like just the 562 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: best place ever. And that's all down to fighting for 563 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: something that you believe in. Yeah, there's Mushpiel. 564 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that, because you're right, 565 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't open up about the tough 566 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: times that they go through in relationships, and you see 567 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: one glossy image on social media. So I think that's 568 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: really cool that you remind everybody fight for what you 569 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: need and want in your. 570 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: Life, right really yeah, And I think as well, it's 571 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: about not listening to what's the word, like outside voices 572 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: and outside opinions and like letting them in, just doing 573 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: what you want to do, you know, and what it 574 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: feels right to you. 575 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, oh well, if that information is in your 576 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: memoir and those are life tips, well I can't wait 577 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: to read it because that is valuable information. Leanne. I 578 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: love chatting with you. You are such a joy. You 579 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: radiate energy that is so real and positive and truly grounded. 580 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: And we've chatted before. I have to say, I feel 581 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: like you're in this new chapter of your life with 582 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: even more confidence and assuredness of who you are, and 583 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: it's really cool to see. 584 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Gosha. When we last spoke, that was 585 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: that was some years ago. Yeah, A lots happen, a 586 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: lot's changed. I definitely feel like, yeah, I do feel 587 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,479 Speaker 2: like a new woman. I do. I think as well, 588 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: like taking on this solo era and career and just 589 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: the more I go into it, the more I feel 590 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 2: empowered and like, yeah, I can do this, you know 591 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: can do this to my own. 592 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: Yes, Ken, you can do it. You can do anything. 593 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: You're super woman and I am here for it. I 594 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: will always be cheering you on and supporting you. I 595 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: can't wait for the album when that drops, I will 596 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: keep supporting your singles. Let's get that memoir out. We're 597 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: all ready to read it and keep being the amazing 598 00:30:59,400 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: light that you are. 599 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: Oh your so sweet. Thank you to me. 600 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: Of course, proud of you. Mean it and I hope 601 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: we meet again soon. Thank you for your time today. 602 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you. 603 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: I've never said this before. It is hosted by me, 604 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: Tommy de Dario. This podcast is executive produced by Andrew 605 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by me, Tommy. I've Never Said 606 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: This Before is part of the Elvis dea Ram podcast 607 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: network on iHeart Podcasts. 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