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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I am Holly Fry

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Speaker 1: and I'm Tracy V.

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Speaker 2: Wilson.

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Speaker 1: We talked about.

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Speaker 2: Spray paint this week.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I have a story about my own ding dongri

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Speaker 1: as usual, Okay good. I initially wrote a note at

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Speaker 1: the bottom of this to talk about where I was like,

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Speaker 1: Millet's life sounds sort of awful to me. I travel

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Speaker 1: a lot, but he traveled a lot and seemed to

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Speaker 1: never settle like m And I was telling my beloved

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Speaker 1: about this and he was like, it honestly doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: that different from your schedule, and I was like, shush.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I played myself on that one, and I do.

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Speaker 1: I really sort of love Millet a little bit because

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Speaker 1: I see things in him that I recognize of myself.

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Speaker 1: I would never claim that I achieve anything near what

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Speaker 1: he achieved, but just that kind of I want to

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Speaker 1: work in a million different things. I want my hands

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Speaker 1: in a bunch of different pies.

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Speaker 2: Busy, busy bee.

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Speaker 1: Thing, I get it. I don't know that I'm done

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Speaker 1: with Frank Millett. There's a non zero chance will get

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Speaker 1: a more in depth version of his life on the

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Speaker 1: show in the future, because I do find him really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Now it's on to graffiti. Yeah, there is an article

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Speaker 1: that comes up a lot in the history of spray paint.

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Speaker 1: It was written in the New York Times like more

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Speaker 1: than a decade ago, and just as we have I

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Speaker 1: think referenced on the show. If you ever just want

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Speaker 1: to be like man humans will fight about anything, go

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Speaker 1: to like the New York Times cooking page or any

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Speaker 1: of their social sites and watch people argue about the recipes.

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Speaker 1: The same thing happened on this article about the history

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Speaker 1: of spray paint and the reference to graffiti art, because

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Speaker 1: a lot of people wanted to grouse and say you

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Speaker 1: cannot put those two words together, to which I say,

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Speaker 1: that is belogne. There is a lot of a amazing

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Speaker 1: art in graffiti art. Not all graffiti is art, but

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Speaker 1: graffiti art is a thing. But it was just fascinating

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Speaker 1: to watch people dig in and some of it did

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Speaker 1: boil down to is it just because the young people

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Speaker 1: do it that you don't perceive it as art? Well,

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Speaker 1: and there there are connections between graffiti and black culture also, right,

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Speaker 1: they're a racism element. Oh one.

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Speaker 2: And like, I super get it.

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Speaker 1: If you own a business and somebody is tagging your

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Speaker 1: door or your window or whatever and you don't want

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Speaker 1: them to be doing that. I understand that that would

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Speaker 1: be a very frustrating experience. But there are graffiti art

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Speaker 1: projects that are beautiful, and also, like, I think there

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Speaker 1: are people on a converse of that who will see

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Speaker 1: graffiti and think that means they are unsafe, and those

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Speaker 1: usings are unrelated. Yeah, I mean in some I mean

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Speaker 1: there's a whole thing to break open here, and I

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Speaker 1: part of me is like, should we do an episode

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Speaker 1: on the history of graffiti? And I don't know is

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Speaker 1: the answer, but like there are interesting discussions to have there,

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Speaker 1: some of which are you know, in the case of

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Speaker 1: graffiti art, there are instances to speak to your point

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Speaker 1: that some people see it and feel like they're in

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Speaker 1: an unsafe place or like it's a bad neighborhood. In

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Speaker 1: some cases, those are grassroots efforts to bring life and

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Speaker 1: some sort of beauty to the neighborhood. Yeah, obviously there

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Speaker 1: are tags that are not meant to be beautiful, and

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Speaker 1: that's fine, but there are a lot that are really

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Speaker 1: really cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the places that I see graffiti the most

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Speaker 1: frequently is on commuter rail trains inbound to North Station

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Speaker 1: is like derelict rolling stock, like train equipment that is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and otherwise what would be.

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Speaker 1: There is just a deteriorating piece of train machinery. And

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Speaker 1: now it's a deteriorating piece of train machinery with stuff

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Speaker 1: hitting a certain area. The other thing that all of

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's irony, but that Frank Millett

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Speaker 1: its potential application for art, Like if you could travel

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Speaker 1: back in time and hand that man in airbrush, what

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Speaker 2: What would he make? Something?

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Speaker 1: Mmmm, something beautiful? And also talking about all of this

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Speaker 1: and looking at people arguing about graffiti art made me

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Speaker 1: think of my youth. Of course, there was a trestle

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Speaker 1: near where I grew up that like it was a

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Speaker 1: rite of passage for many people to go spray paint it.

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Speaker 1: But those weren't often like beautiful art. It was like

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Speaker 1: literally someone writing like Ginny was here. It was not

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Speaker 1: really you know, And it would get painted over periodically,

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Speaker 2: In the community would complain that it.

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Speaker 1: Had gotten painted over, that it was part of like

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Speaker 1: I graffitied some not very much. Ye, not there incidentally,

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Speaker 1: but somewhere else. I of course picked a weirder place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this summer, we've talked about how I spent a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks away from my desk doing some family stuff,

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Speaker 1: store that is not a dollar general. That's sort of

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Speaker 1: like right, just to sort of set the stage of everywhere.

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Speaker 1: And I will say I did not feel I could

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Speaker 1: be myself in the environment where I was staying, not

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Speaker 1: in my parents' house. My parents are great, but like

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Speaker 1: out in public where I was staying, and afterward leaving,

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Speaker 1: I was flying out of Raleigh Durham and I met

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Speaker 1: heading out and seeing a bunch of like very affirming

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Speaker 1: graffiti in the bathroom at this restaurant, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I feel so relieved right now to be in a

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Speaker 1: I saw some similar graffiti when we were in Rome.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I just want to say in

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Speaker 1: all of this is that I am grateful for all

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Speaker 1: of these people that develop spray paint, because I sure

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Speaker 1: weird costumes that require spray paint, and I have spray

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Speaker 1: of greenbleys in it that have required spray painting. At

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Speaker 1: some point. I feel like I have had spray paint

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Speaker 1: hand more times than I can count. Just when your

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Speaker 1: I love those little trigger nozzles. I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: do you ever get a little trigger the trigger thing

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Speaker 1: to help I do? But then sometimes it just you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're doing it at scale, you're still gonna get paint.

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Speaker 2: It's just a different flavor.

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Speaker 1: I also feel like sometimes the little trigger thing affects

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Speaker 1: exactly you're trying to do, it can make it easier

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Speaker 1: to depress the thing, but more difficult to control what

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Speaker 1: very It's all fascinating to me, and I like the

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Speaker 1: idea that you know, many many minds had to come

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I think about how amazing it was

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Speaker 1: now there's like stuff that has you know, chroma shift

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Speaker 2: And I love that.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Spray paint the world. It's the best.

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Speaker 1: I'm also I'm gonna I'm gonna draw iron. Okay, this

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Speaker 1: And the before and after difference of whitewashed versus non

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Speaker 1: but the actual act of had a perfect putting. Lime

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Speaker 1: was valuable, is still valuable. It still gets done anyway.

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Speaker 1: Spray paint, I sure love. It makes me want to

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Speaker 1: go make crafty things, but I don't have time yet.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the dick and Metal and some animals

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Speaker 1: and Metal a lot. I apologize, Holly. She thought it

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Speaker 1: was safe. Yeah, Well, often when I'm working on an episode,

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