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Speaker 4: Ya get on in here. It is mon yay the
Speaker 4: Cowboys victory Monday here on the Players not Lounge. This
Speaker 4: is our show. But Jesse's on the show today because
Speaker 4: we got a lot of people already. Yeah, we had
Speaker 4: a lot of people already taking vacation time. Barry me,
Speaker 4: not you, my man with the double dip delights, right.
Speaker 2: Call me mister double Delight from.
Speaker 4: Now on, please miss the double dip Delight. How did
Speaker 4: I miss that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The other show they called me something Peppa pop
Speaker 2: you I call myself.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, this is this is I was on my way.
Speaker 4: I was on my way. I was on my way
Speaker 4: to the to the All you need now, man, is
Speaker 4: like a mistletoe hanging over the top of you. Man.
Speaker 4: You know you gotta.
Speaker 2: Because I already mess around in hr.
Speaker 4: My dude, you know my dude. Hr Hey, we know
Speaker 4: the thin line that you walked Jesse Jesse Jesse and
Speaker 4: Jesse Park. I don't they love Jesse Holly the trailer
Speaker 4: park baby. They know him by his first name, his
Speaker 4: government as we call him. But welcome to the taj
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Speaker 4: Newie Screwds is on the way, and as I stated,
Speaker 4: Jesse Holly is in the building with me. Man and
Speaker 4: Victory Monday twenty six, twenty four made it interesting yesterday
Speaker 4: and from me because I haven't had an opportunity to
Speaker 4: hear your opinion yet, I'm gonna tell you that I
Speaker 4: left that stadium really proud of the Dallas Cowboys, proud
Speaker 4: of the fact that going into that game, I said,
Speaker 4: this is me, they gonna go ahead and lay down
Speaker 4: because they don't have anything to play for. And you,
Speaker 4: as a former NFL player familiar with being on teams
Speaker 4: where man, either we're going to the playoffs or we're
Speaker 4: going home. In those situations, you'd like for them to
Speaker 4: come later in the season, to come with there still
Speaker 4: being three games left, right, So a lot of things
Speaker 4: get exposed in that situation, especially with the way that
Speaker 4: the season already been going. I figured against a Tampa
Speaker 4: Bay team that absolutely needed that victory to keep pace.
Speaker 4: They would come in and they would smash the gas
Speaker 4: on the Cowboys and the Cowboys defense with that vaunted
Speaker 4: running game. You talked about those two guys in the
Speaker 4: way that they were gonna run the ball. You talked
Speaker 4: about the vitaves of the world, and how they were
Speaker 4: going to be all over that offensive line and where
Speaker 4: the warm, fuzzy feelings of this offensive line where those
Speaker 4: things may have gone. The Cowboys defense and Cooper Rush
Speaker 4: showed up in Arlington and they showed out. They pulled
Speaker 4: it off, and it's not like you didn't have the
Speaker 4: ebbs and flows. The defense came to play and a
Speaker 4: guy named one Duran Bland. I'm gonna find out what
Speaker 4: his nickname is, what his cousin nim call him, but men.
Speaker 2: Something like that.
Speaker 4: And this is a guy man that we we really
Speaker 4: went to the beginning of the season not really getting
Speaker 4: a lot of him and Trayvon Diggs together. But you
Speaker 4: see his value. You see how much that guy can
Speaker 4: and paint it just it leaves so much to be
Speaker 4: desired with those two being on the field together. In
Speaker 4: Cowboy Nation just hadn't been able to enjoy that. But
Speaker 4: Darron Blaird had a match up you talked about it
Speaker 4: also a matchup with Mike Evans, and Mike Evans got his,
Speaker 4: but Darron Bland got his too, Jesse, what do you
Speaker 4: think about the game?
Speaker 5: Similar to your point, I thought, even even before hearing
Speaker 5: the news of the Cowboys are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention,
Speaker 5: I thought, you know, man, with everything Tim Bay had
Speaker 5: to play for, they were riding the four game winning streak,
Speaker 5: they were I mean.
Speaker 2: They were hot.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I thought Tampa Bay's offense, the way that Liam Cohen
Speaker 5: calls that a lot of the pres and motions.
Speaker 2: And the bunches and the shifts and all.
Speaker 5: I thought, man, this is the one thing that really
Speaker 5: gets the Cowboys defensively to be a little bit off kilter.
Speaker 5: And then you started adding on the factors of the
Speaker 5: playoff contention thing. Then you start adding the factor is
Speaker 5: you don't have your green dot signal caller and Eric
Speaker 5: Kendrick he didn't play uh in that game. And I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, this is gonna beat when I thought
Speaker 5: it was going to be. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: He's like, well, who's gonna like they either Damon Clark
Speaker 5: hates them or they hate the Moon Clark because they were.
Speaker 2: Like both, probably both.
Speaker 5: And they were like, We're gonna go with Nick Vigil
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, okay. First of all, right,
Speaker 5: and this is a guy who you know, he he
Speaker 5: doesn't practic it's a lot during the week because of
Speaker 5: the foot injury, so they trusted him enough to be
Speaker 5: the green dot over Maris Lula foul and man, they
Speaker 5: play with a bunch of pride. And I said it
Speaker 5: in the previous show, Kudos to those guys. Kudos to
Speaker 5: those men for going out there with really nothing as
Speaker 5: far as the game standings mattering. But to them it
Speaker 5: mattered that we go out here and we win the game.
Speaker 5: And I get that because winning, winning is the only thing,
Speaker 5: right all I want to do is win. And they
Speaker 5: went out there with really nothing to play for and
Speaker 5: played a tough, tough, tough football game. And I'm not
Speaker 5: into the he did it for the They did it
Speaker 5: for themselves.
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta talk to you about something because
Speaker 4: the show we were on previously, you mentioned Cohen, the
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator for Tampa. I wanted to argue with you
Speaker 4: about him, and I did. I wanted to argue, but
Speaker 4: I just I let it go because I wanted to
Speaker 4: set eyes on this offense myself. And let me tell
Speaker 4: you how much I agree with you and in his
Speaker 4: genius as a play caller, because never at one point
Speaker 4: in time in that game that I feel like Tampa
Speaker 4: was off balance. They stayed with a hefty running attack,
Speaker 4: and they also hit you with the hefty passing game.
Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, they still used Baker Mayfield's
Speaker 4: legs when they needed to. I think they use a quarterback.
Speaker 4: Then you also mentioned that he's a gun slinger that
Speaker 4: thinks his arm is better than it is, but thank
Speaker 4: god he hadn't been exposed as far as his arm
Speaker 4: is concerned. Yet he plays within himself well enough. But
Speaker 4: I think Zimmer came with a defensive game plan that
Speaker 4: nullified a lot of that. You basically saw a lot
Speaker 4: of zone, a lot of they played off a lot,
Speaker 4: but when you needed it, he applied some press there
Speaker 4: on Mike Evans, and I thought that was a hell
Speaker 4: of a gamble. How do you think this secondary measured
Speaker 4: up versus that receiving core that you knew there were
Speaker 4: gonna be some holes in it, especially in the safety
Speaker 4: back half. How did you think that the secondary matched
Speaker 4: up and how did you think the scheme for Zim
Speaker 4: are also matched up with Cohen.
Speaker 5: I think what Zim did and is mixing up when
Speaker 5: to bring pleasure because when you line up, the first
Speaker 5: thing you looking for win number eleven, and that always
Speaker 5: is a a deciding factor.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: He is a force multiplier by himself, and that causes
Speaker 5: quarterbacks at times to kind of rush their process and
Speaker 5: not have a lot of time because when you look
Speaker 5: at what what Liam Cohen does and his routes, he
Speaker 5: is a layered Uh, He's a layer route caller. So
Speaker 5: all of his routes are When I say layered, I
Speaker 5: mean there's going to be a short option, and then
Speaker 5: if you give him another second, here comes the secondary option.
Speaker 5: And if you give him another second, here comes that
Speaker 5: third option. Or you know what I'm saying, developing. That's
Speaker 5: a word of yes. So his layer developing routes. But
Speaker 5: when you don't have time because your clock is going
Speaker 5: off and you hear eleven growling and breathing down your neck,
Speaker 5: you're trying to get the ball off as possible as
Speaker 5: fast as you can. And that's where you start talking
Speaker 5: about out I mix. There's a good mixture of when
Speaker 5: I press and him. What pressing does. When you have
Speaker 5: a guy like Mike Evans and you have him and
Speaker 5: Duran going back and forth, it throws timing off, right,
Speaker 5: It throws the timing off of Okay, my first read
Speaker 5: isn't open. My second read should be coming open. Oh
Speaker 5: he's not there, in which in turns closes the window
Speaker 5: to my third read. See, I need my second one
Speaker 5: to come open because with that action, is I'm gonna
Speaker 5: get him the ball or it's gonna draw someone else
Speaker 5: into that into that window, and now I can go
Speaker 5: to that other guy. But when you jam guys up,
Speaker 5: and I thought the one holding call to Duran Blend
Speaker 5: had to get to him. Old school football, say you
Speaker 5: got jammed up, my dude. That wasn't holding to me.
Speaker 5: And I'm fair when it comes to both sides and
Speaker 5: calling the play. He jammed Mike Evans up all the
Speaker 5: way down the football field. But it was a combination
Speaker 5: of throwing timing off in the back end with the
Speaker 5: press coverage and then being able to apply pressure with
Speaker 5: the different looks up front and having Micah company being
Speaker 5: able to get the Baker mayfield and having him get
Speaker 5: off his reads faster than what he wanted to. So
Speaker 5: it was a good back and forth chess match throughout
Speaker 5: that game, and the Cowboys came away with it at
Speaker 5: the end because they made a little bit more plays
Speaker 5: than Tampa BA was able to make in that game.
Speaker 5: But I think the and I don't want to go
Speaker 5: off key, I think the one thing that we were
Speaker 5: not talking about enough in this game, and to me,
Speaker 5: it was the reason that they won the game, and
Speaker 5: it wasn't offensively, and it wasn't defensively.
Speaker 2: This is a two point game.
Speaker 5: Brendan Aubrey misses any one of those fifty plus yard
Speaker 5: field goals in the game.
Speaker 2: He had three or four.
Speaker 5: Field goals in this game. He missed any one of those.
Speaker 5: We're talking, we're coming here. It ain't a Monday, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. It's a mundane Monday, right, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. And those are the things that
Speaker 5: I think that's the special team aspect of it, where
Speaker 5: you don't talk much about it, but without it, you
Speaker 5: don't win this football game.
Speaker 4: You Yeah, yeah, he lose by one point. I mean
Speaker 4: you bring up a special point, and I think special teams. Obviously,
Speaker 4: it's the gift and the curse of special teams each
Speaker 4: and every week, and everybody, guys like you that made
Speaker 4: their bones in the NFL by playing special teams point
Speaker 4: that out all the time. And also, you know, hold
Speaker 4: coach Fossil's feet to the fire on some of those
Speaker 4: bone head mistakes that are made. But when you see
Speaker 4: a guy like Brandon Aubry who was stand alone and
Speaker 4: does it, and man, what a what a treaty is
Speaker 4: to have a guy that you know that can make
Speaker 4: field goals from fifty eight yards. You turn on television
Speaker 4: every Sunday you saw and that Commander's in Philly game,
Speaker 4: a guy that just I'm like, damn, we are spoiled.
Speaker 4: We are spoiled about.
Speaker 5: Like when they talk about that Commanders Eagles game, their kicker,
Speaker 5: I think missed missed fourteen of them this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Brandon made fourteen of them.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're short, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: That's that's the determining factor. Yeah, you know like that
Speaker 5: that matters, And it's always special teams. It's alway one
Speaker 5: of those things where it doesn't matter until it matters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And my other thing
Speaker 4: is is, you know, obviously in your evaluation of the game,
Speaker 4: you being in the former NFL player and the analyst
Speaker 4: Jesse Holly's on the Players Lounge which is with us today,
Speaker 4: and you talked about the running game from Tampa Bay.
Speaker 4: They ended up having one hundred and thirty four yards.
Speaker 4: Speak clear, Bucky Irving sixteen for sixty eight, Baker Mayfield
Speaker 4: three for forty two, but Rashad White three for ten.
Speaker 4: When you talk about those runs, basically you were not
Speaker 4: being gashed in your defense what you expect. They gave
Speaker 4: up and the longest run was to Baker Mayfield for
Speaker 4: eighteen yards. But guys like guys like Nick Vigil who
Speaker 4: we were just joking like who is him? And murce Lefoul,
Speaker 4: your linebacking crew, young inexperience showed up for you. That
Speaker 4: was a big part of this victory also.
Speaker 5: It was and that's when you're down as many guys
Speaker 5: as the Cowboys have been down throughout this season. I
Speaker 5: need contributions and I don't need you to be two
Speaker 5: thousand Ray Lewis. I don't need that b we's supposed
Speaker 5: to be, bwe is supposed to be. And then with
Speaker 5: the plays that you're supposed to make, see Ray goes
Speaker 5: and make plays out of his own out of his
Speaker 5: space intelligence, beyond belief.
Speaker 2: Here's what I need.
Speaker 6: You to do.
Speaker 5: If you're supposed to be here, be here. If you're
Speaker 5: supposed to, take on this blocker, take on this blocker,
Speaker 5: if you're supposed to be scraping, scrape if you're supposed to.
Speaker 5: When I get that, now, my guys that are supposed
Speaker 5: to be doing their job is allowed to because I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't have the room they talked about during the game.
Speaker 5: They kept talking about like how Levonte David and Vida
Speaker 5: Veya would play off one another and Levante would tell Via, hey, yo,
Speaker 5: stay at your gap. I'm about to go room, or it.
Speaker 2: Be vice versa, Yo, you go room. I got your back.
Speaker 5: See, when you don't have that level of players, I
Speaker 5: need everybody to do their job. If everybody do their job,
Speaker 5: then we limit, we limit the big plays, and we
Speaker 5: play the percentages and we say to ourselves, all right, cool,
Speaker 5: we'll get down to this thing. We'll we'll we'll, we'll
Speaker 5: ben but we won't break.
Speaker 2: And they'll make the mistake.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what those guys like Nick Visual,
Speaker 5: like Maris lil Foul and others, just doing their job
Speaker 5: on a consistent basis gives you an opportunity at least
Speaker 5: to have guys in the right place.
Speaker 7: Is that what you learn from Belichick being up there
Speaker 7: with New England when you talked about that, Now, I
Speaker 7: learned that from my grandma a long time ago.
Speaker 2: The boy, do what I tell you to do. If
Speaker 2: you do what I tell you, you be all right.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Grandma tell you that, Hey, when you get in this house,
Speaker 5: lock that door to open it for nobody. I got
Speaker 5: the key. Don't touch that stove. You will make your
Speaker 5: pean of butter.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 5: But but I'm joking, but I'm dead serious as well.
Speaker 5: But yes, when you're in places like New England. And
Speaker 5: that was the one thing that Bill Belichick was always
Speaker 5: always on top of. He would tell you when I
Speaker 5: when I first signed with New England, I sat down
Speaker 5: and had a meeting, like I talked to Bill Belichick
Speaker 5: and he basically said, here's what I need for you
Speaker 5: to do. Can you do X, Y and Z. I
Speaker 5: said yes, he said, fine, if you can do these
Speaker 5: at a high rate, you'll be just fine.
Speaker 2: And that's what he asks his team to say.
Speaker 5: I need I need all of y'all to do exactly
Speaker 5: what I asked you to do. If you do that,
Speaker 5: we will find ourselves in a winning position. I don't
Speaker 5: need you to go outside and do nothing else. I
Speaker 5: don't need you to be superman or superhero. If I
Speaker 5: say go from point A to point B, go to
Speaker 5: point A to point B. Don't don't dip off to C.
Speaker 5: Think about D or you saw F go A to
Speaker 5: B because I got somebody else going to C. All
Speaker 5: y'all do what you're supposed to do. Then this guy
Speaker 5: back here, go make it right. I've heard coaches say
Speaker 5: you're not talented enough to improvise. Yet you're not there yet.
Speaker 7: I never play the collegiate level that you guys played
Speaker 7: high school. Dude, But I remember we said that just
Speaker 7: one coach. What were you thinking, Well, coach, I thought
Speaker 7: that's the problem.
Speaker 4: You thought.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 4: Don't think that's the that's the truth. Nowise scrugs back
Speaker 4: in the building. I always love watching those. When you
Speaker 4: watch those Sunday night games, you know, you're sitting there,
Speaker 4: you're watching the TV and you see the Sunday Night
Speaker 4: and then all now, he shrugs, NBC. I'm like this guy,
Speaker 4: he's everywhere you turn the TV, struts watch So it's
Speaker 4: it's so different man, watching it watching the TV live.
Speaker 4: I mean, excuse me. Watching the game live is so
Speaker 4: much it's so much different from the TV. Yeah, man,
Speaker 4: he come in and walk in. You need to get
Speaker 4: haze for walking in there. The Book of Integrity with
Speaker 4: breaking the book, which.
Speaker 2: I was actually working today. I was over TCU.
Speaker 7: They getting ready for the well, they got the arm
Speaker 7: Forces Bowl ready for Arm Forces Bowl and Navy Oklahoma
Speaker 7: boy Oklahoma to bell off, and then TCU was prepping
Speaker 7: for New Mexico Bowl. So I had to do interviews
Speaker 7: over there, so leaving forward because.
Speaker 2: They came late. They were late.
Speaker 7: Sonny got hi la, he said, ironically, and you guys
Speaker 7: are playing bowl games. Nobody was really excited about for
Speaker 7: tc BY going to the Mexico Bowl. So I just
Speaker 7: I just thiged, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Ask the question.
Speaker 7: So as JP Richardson, a lot of fans weren't real
Speaker 7: hyped about the New Mexico Bowl. What about you it
Speaker 7: ain't gonna lie. I was disappointed. I thought there was
Speaker 7: some better bowls out there.
Speaker 4: There are.
Speaker 7: Well, since we wasn't bowling last year, we're here. Louisiana
Speaker 7: got ten win teams, so we better get out here
Speaker 7: and go do it. Do it because bowl games about
Speaker 7: want to like you know, this is last his last
Speaker 7: game anyway, like you know, at least you come with
Speaker 7: some perspective.
Speaker 2: It may not be what you wanted.
Speaker 7: But last year you had nothing, nothing in the year
Speaker 7: before that, your last Bowl game.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: Everybody take that sixty five to seven taste out there.
Speaker 5: Man, I'd rather have sixty five to seven and play
Speaker 5: in that in that game?
Speaker 2: Then what's the Bold Prizect for that?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 2: What's the Bold PRIDECCE for the new Mexico boat?
Speaker 4: I didn't you gotta ask who's the sponsor? No, no, no,
Speaker 4: you ask who's the sponsor? Who's the sponsor. It's like
Speaker 4: it's like PlayStation Bowl. You get to PlayStation and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. You do get per.
Speaker 2: Mexico Bowl Act. Shout out to people.
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, come on, but really it's no matter what
Speaker 7: it is. Heck, what you had last year is nothing.
Speaker 7: You have five wins. So it's you know, I don't
Speaker 7: know if it's breaking bad bowl, I don't know, but
Speaker 7: Cowboys right now, Walter White's they take that, they take
Speaker 7: the bowl, right, I mean so so yeah, I was
Speaker 7: like just getting getting getting from that side to get
Speaker 7: over here.
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Speaker 2: All Right, Jesse Holly here, mister.
Speaker 7: Dublin Holo clause doing all the charity work man doing.
Speaker 7: Jesse's out here doing servants work.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 7: Yeah, all the time, all the time, all the time, man,
Speaker 7: So so big ups to you on that. Heck, Maherrison's here.
Speaker 7: I'm late newie scrush, coming back up from doing a
Speaker 7: little bit of work. So the thing that impressed me
Speaker 7: about the Cowboys that they won from the standpoint that
Speaker 7: Tampa Bay had the ball for thirty two minutes and
Speaker 7: forty eight seconds, ran up a whole bunch of yards
Speaker 7: on them, and the Cowboys could not run in a
Speaker 7: lick average one point six yards of carry in the game,
Speaker 7: thirty one yards of rushing.
Speaker 6: I didn't think they will win. I picked against.
Speaker 7: Them to see them come out and play because I
Speaker 7: was at the stadium and I was not expecting that
Speaker 7: once you got they got eliminated.
Speaker 6: I wasn't expecting them to go out there.
Speaker 7: And play that way. So for them to lead from
Speaker 7: start to finish. And who had these dudes winning on
Speaker 7: Sunday Night two of the three games they played.
Speaker 6: This year, Pittsburgh. Yeah, Tampa lost.
Speaker 2: Sam to see that, I see that.
Speaker 5: Man, no again, like this is I guess that goes
Speaker 5: in the file of just the unpredictability of what this
Speaker 5: football team has been this year is it's been it's
Speaker 5: been this toss up every single because I think we
Speaker 5: were all on the same page when we came to
Speaker 5: this game, was like, this ain't gonn this ain't going
Speaker 5: this ain't going in well, This ain't going in well.
Speaker 5: And and they they have the final say so that
Speaker 5: that's the greater thing, right, is that our jobs are
Speaker 5: to look at film and numbers and all this other
Speaker 5: kind of stuff and break this thing down and come
Speaker 5: up with some sort of hypothesis or high pot news.
Speaker 2: So what the game plan would be like.
Speaker 5: And when we go out there and then we go
Speaker 5: sit some we go sit on the fat part of
Speaker 5: our butt and watch.
Speaker 2: And those guys have to go out there and go.
Speaker 5: Well, forget what new we forget what forget what Holly
Speaker 5: has to say.
Speaker 2: They don't have to live up to this. They don't
Speaker 2: put the pads on, they ain't they ain't doing this.
Speaker 2: And that's that's the difference.
Speaker 5: And that's that's that's the part that those guys get
Speaker 5: the final say so in.
Speaker 4: So Jesse Newey asked this question. I got to ask you, guys,
Speaker 4: what does this mean for Mike from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Glad you asked this question, what does this.
Speaker 6: Mean from Mike from Pittsburgh?
Speaker 5: For me, Yeah, it means absolutely nothing to me. It
Speaker 5: means absolutely nothing because here's what we hired Mike McCarthy
Speaker 5: to do. Mike McCarthy was hired for the head coaching
Speaker 5: job slash offensive coordinator job to change the narrative and
Speaker 5: the outcome of what the other regime could not do.
Speaker 5: And there's four seasons here he's done the exact same
Speaker 5: thing that the other regime has done. First round exit
Speaker 5: in the playoffs, not make the playoffs. This means nothing
Speaker 5: to me. This proves nothing to me because your goal
Speaker 5: was to get this team to the championship and.
Speaker 2: You failed to do that. Yes, that's what that was
Speaker 2: the goal.
Speaker 5: When when he was hired, one of the things that
Speaker 5: Jerry Jones said about Mike McCarthy was he has Super
Speaker 5: Bowl experience and playoff pedigree. And I also said the thing,
Speaker 5: and I was a fan because I thought it was
Speaker 5: going to be different. I thought it was going to
Speaker 5: be different. At no point in time against the good
Speaker 5: Ones did we have a coaching advantage in the last
Speaker 5: four years when he had to when he had to
Speaker 5: be at his best against the best folded career. It's
Speaker 5: the best you got, Is that? The best that you got?
Speaker 5: Is that the best that you got as a playoff win?
Speaker 5: That the best that you got? Tom, Tom Ray a
Speaker 5: lot of people. Man Again, it wasn't different in the
Speaker 5: old regime. O. Jason Garrett got one playoff win.
Speaker 2: Here's what I would give you.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, no, no, I'm waiting to hear what you
Speaker 4: had to say.
Speaker 2: Jesse.
Speaker 6: What you're saying is idealism.
Speaker 2: Ideally, this is what he was hired for.
Speaker 7: That's the idealism of what you wanted and what we
Speaker 7: all were expecting. The realism is and you look at
Speaker 7: this team. This ye had a GM doing GMing very well. Okay,
Speaker 7: what about last year? Last year was twelve and five.
Speaker 7: You had, you had the runner up in the MVP voting,
Speaker 7: get your quarterback. You had everything right, You had a
Speaker 7: healthy roster, you had good football players in that roster.
Speaker 2: You you got your tail handed to you at poom.
Speaker 7: Okay, let me finish ones point and guess what the
Speaker 7: GM and owner said.
Speaker 6: Okay, bring it back.
Speaker 2: He could have made a move, right, but he didn't.
Speaker 7: Okay, were there other people potentially out there was there
Speaker 7: someone available, who's who, who has won more Super Bowls,
Speaker 7: who could have taken the job. He was available, he
Speaker 7: decided not to do it. So the owner general manager
Speaker 7: is the one who said, nah, I want more of this,
Speaker 7: bring it back one more time, and then he didn't
Speaker 7: get The owner didn't all in?
Speaker 2: Did you see all in? GM? All in? No, he wasn't.
Speaker 7: So while you can put up here and beat up
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy for the idealism of what was wanted, the
Speaker 7: general manager and owner who could have made a move
Speaker 7: last year could have hired Jim Harball, could have hired
Speaker 7: Bill Belichick, said nah, we're bringing it back, and then
Speaker 7: didn't give him all the tools that he had beforehand.
Speaker 6: This is not the same amount of talent. This scheme
Speaker 6: with Mike Zimmer is not the same.
Speaker 7: Chauncey Goldston was over there this week talking about, Hey, man,
Speaker 7: it took it.
Speaker 2: We wanted to believe in the scheme. We tried.
Speaker 7: It took us a while to get there. When do
Speaker 7: you start to say, man, what are we doing here?
Speaker 7: I mean, this is a collective thing. As much as
Speaker 7: Jerry and I like Jerry personally, man I'll be as
Speaker 7: sad as dude when this man passed away, because he
Speaker 7: Didne provided so much good content for me through the years.
Speaker 7: This thing has been Mike McCarthy ain't done it, Garrett
Speaker 7: didn't do it, do it, Parcels didn't do it.
Speaker 2: What's the comedy de nominator here?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What ain't changing? Right?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 7: I mean so, so the reality is you kind of
Speaker 7: got what you you You you walked into this bear
Speaker 7: trap owner general manager.
Speaker 2: You think about what if Hardball's here? What the ballot chicks?
Speaker 7: These were available options, right, and you said no, No, nine,
Speaker 7: we're bringing this guy back. You make it so so okay?
Speaker 7: Now you say all that To say what I say
Speaker 7: all that is, if you fired it in tomorrow, I
Speaker 7: don't think there's a better option for you that he
Speaker 7: will feel comfortable with. Take Jesse out of it, take
Speaker 7: Newie out of it, take heck matter. So we're talking
Speaker 7: about the man that we've been around and we've seen
Speaker 7: and recovered and we know correct he's probably gonna come
Speaker 7: back with this one more time because I don't think
Speaker 7: there's a better asption for that he's going to feel
Speaker 7: comfortable with to do he ain't hired Kelly Moore. He's
Speaker 7: not gonna hire a first time guy.
Speaker 5: So we're just we're in insanity again because we're getting
Speaker 5: ready to repeat what we just repeated with JG. We
Speaker 5: did ten years with JAG because and the only way
Speaker 5: you run this back this is just me and if
Speaker 5: whoever Mike McCarthy's agent is there's no way, Tom Brady, Oh,
Speaker 5: there's no way. You give me a one year deal,
Speaker 5: of course, so you gotta give me four. You gotta
Speaker 5: give me three, four year deal.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be it probably will have to be three.
Speaker 5: Right, So okay, So now all right, so you go
Speaker 5: through seven years and what's you said? The common denominator
Speaker 5: is what? So what's gonna be the difference? What what
Speaker 5: you What you have to have now? What you have
Speaker 5: to have now is what you have to have now
Speaker 5: is you can't have good coaching anymore.
Speaker 2: You have to have great coaching.
Speaker 5: You have to have people who are able to schematically
Speaker 5: overcome the limitations that are set forth by the people
Speaker 5: who are over their heads. And I think that's from
Speaker 5: me when it comes to Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: He's just good. He's just good.
Speaker 5: And that's why I'm talking about a competitive advantage when
Speaker 5: you go into these certain games, you don't. You didn't
Speaker 5: feel when he went up against the Lion that the
Speaker 5: he that he had a competitive advantage from the coaching aspect.
Speaker 5: You didn't feel that way when he went up against
Speaker 5: Kyle shanahan or McVeigh or any la Floor or any
Speaker 5: of the ones that we consider to be good and
Speaker 5: that you'll eventually have to face in order to get
Speaker 5: to the big game. Right, all the names that I'm naming,
Speaker 5: or names that you got to go through unless they
Speaker 5: beat each other, that you gotta go through those names
Speaker 5: in order to get to the promised Land. And at
Speaker 5: no point in time, and maybe I'm wrong, I'll speak
Speaker 5: for myself, I won't speak for you, gentlemen. I never
Speaker 5: feelt there was a competitive advantage at that point. And
Speaker 5: if coaching wise, if I don't have a competitive advantage
Speaker 5: coaching wise, and I don't have a significantly advantage Jimmy's
Speaker 5: and Joe's wise, I find myself in this situation.
Speaker 2: Again and again and again.
Speaker 5: And I think what Mike McCarthy is as a play
Speaker 5: caller is good. And if you're not going to give
Speaker 5: him exceptional talent, all across the board that will elevate
Speaker 5: that good to a higher place.
Speaker 2: Then we'll be sitting here and and in eight months
Speaker 2: and we'll be having the same conversation. That's why I'm
Speaker 2: saying that.
Speaker 6: You've been having since ninety seven.
Speaker 2: That's why you that's why.
Speaker 5: For me, it's it's there has to be hope, If
Speaker 5: there's any hope, there has to be the hope that
Speaker 5: Okay be fired by McCarthy. And then finally, finally, the
Speaker 5: clock is right one of these times, and the dog
Speaker 5: and the sun signs on the dog's bottom.
Speaker 4: And you go, this is your time, you Ben Johnson, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't did all the other stuff. I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go ahead and give you that twelve twelve
Speaker 5: million dollars you know.
Speaker 7: Liam Cohen, Liam Cohen, you know what I'm gonna give
Speaker 7: you that shot.
Speaker 4: Bobby Slowick, I'm a so so tesse jesse. Look, so
Speaker 4: that split the difference, all right, because I think what
Speaker 4: you're what you're saying from a talent standpoint, I didn't
Speaker 4: give this guy a chance. All in didn't apply this year.
Speaker 4: You may have been in previously years, but not this year.
Speaker 4: And give you enough all right, and it's for some reason.
Speaker 4: When talking to players, former professional players about Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 4: it comes down to guys saying him not living up
Speaker 4: to the moment. That's Barry Church's deal with Mike McCarthy, right,
Speaker 4: What you're saying for who? For what? Basically, who are
Speaker 4: you going to bring in to manage? Who are you
Speaker 4: going to not only just manage this roster. Who's going
Speaker 4: to deal with the front office? Who do you know
Speaker 4: who's been better at dealing with that, because that's a
Speaker 4: part of the job too. Then may not be dealing
Speaker 4: with Dak, dealing with Michael Oh, by the way, managing
Speaker 4: your expectation with Jerry Jones. Who else is I mean?
Speaker 4: And I said this before, for Mike McCarthy, who was
Speaker 4: I felt like being groomed for this position, for what
Speaker 4: he dealt with with Ted Johnson Thompson, I mean up
Speaker 4: in up in Green Bay. He didn't pick his his
Speaker 4: free agency. He wasn't in that room for any of that.
Speaker 4: My point with Mike McCarthy is what he's had to
Speaker 4: deal with from an injury standpoint, The guy didn't have
Speaker 4: a leg to stand on. At a certain point in
Speaker 4: this season. The whole team was hurt. And if you
Speaker 4: expect the expectation after Dak Prescott went down.
Speaker 5: But what about when Dak wasn't here. They didn't play
Speaker 5: well at the beginning of the year and they had him.
Speaker 2: But you're a good season.
Speaker 4: You're not going to go back to last season when
Speaker 4: Dak is the runner up in the MVP vote. None,
Speaker 4: you got your doors beat off when it mattered. You
Speaker 4: don't put that on your defensive cordat That team was unprepared.
Speaker 5: That team was when you're talking about unprepared, you know,
Speaker 5: and not ready to play game offensively, to stop offensively,
Speaker 5: to offensively to.
Speaker 7: That falls on the shoulders And where was the general
Speaker 7: manager to make the decisions?
Speaker 4: Probably what.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's not okay, okay, he's on his jet.
Speaker 7: It was helicopter when you took the beating and you
Speaker 7: were frustrated and mad and other people around were calling
Speaker 7: for regime change. You could have did hardball begging to
Speaker 7: come to the league, Bill Belichick, begging for a job.
Speaker 2: He didn't do it. He didn't want to.
Speaker 5: He didn't want to have to pay that five million
Speaker 5: and for Mike to sit at the buffet. No guess
Speaker 5: what he didn't want.
Speaker 2: He didn't want Mike. He didn't want Mike.
Speaker 5: Now the China eating the unlimited crab legs at two
Speaker 5: o'clock on a Thursday afternoon.
Speaker 4: Because if that was the case, you're talking about a billionaire.
Speaker 2: It comes and a year million dollars or you don't
Speaker 2: know how billionaire is a millionaire?
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, no no no. I don't
Speaker 4: want to give up, but no, man, I don't have to.
Speaker 4: If you knew that this season was going to be
Speaker 4: the way that it is, you you think that he
Speaker 4: would have still lined him up for this just to say, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm just going to pay you through the end of
Speaker 4: good contract and bring another guy in again.
Speaker 5: Now now you're asking for miss cleo fortune teller. Right
Speaker 5: if he knew, okay, no, he didn't know.
Speaker 2: In his mind.
Speaker 5: In his mind he thought to himself, you know what
Speaker 5: if I pay CD and I paid DAK and I
Speaker 5: switched some other things around. Hell, we were twelve and
Speaker 5: five last year with this, but a very similar group.
Speaker 5: Maybe this year we can get lucky and things happening.
Speaker 4: Agree with because the mismanagement thing is on him.
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no, no, I one hundred percent agree with
Speaker 5: Newie in the sense of the general managers. The general
Speaker 5: manager that's always gonna be with the way it is.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is even in your twelve and five years,
Speaker 5: it still ended the same way. So there was nothing.
Speaker 5: So there was nothing that was going to change for
Speaker 5: me in this season. And that's what I'm saying that
Speaker 5: from his standpoint is you're good enough to get me there,
Speaker 5: but what you do as a coach is not great
Speaker 5: enough to overcome the things that you're facing and to
Speaker 5: get me to the promised land.
Speaker 7: And right now, I don't see another option in which
Speaker 7: they're going to go utilize that tells you or that
Speaker 7: I see him actually doing him doing, not mean that
Speaker 7: not Jesse. I don't s see another option that Jerry
Speaker 7: Jones is going to lock himself into right now that says, yeah,
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Speaker 7: Slash all Right, Hackemharrison appreciate Jesse Holly, former Dallas Cowboy
Speaker 7: player in the.
Speaker 2: House when they were shrugs.
Speaker 7: The Cowboys get a twenty six twenty four win on
Speaker 7: NBC Sunday Night Football. They did not get flexed, and
Speaker 7: they went out and gave NBC a good game. And
Speaker 7: for some reason, Cooper Rush just keeps winning on Sunday
Speaker 7: Night Football in front of a national TV audience. One
Speaker 7: on Halloween Night one here, I mean one on Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 7: I mean dudes, got a whole bunch of starts in
Speaker 7: prime time in his career.
Speaker 4: Boy nine lives this man Cooper Rush twenty six or
Speaker 4: thirty five, twenty six or thirty five. It was not perfect.
Speaker 4: It was not perfect. There were a couple throws, Seed
Speaker 4: Lamb went over to the bench like, what was that?
Speaker 4: But the winning prime time is a winning prime Time.
Speaker 7: I must give him credit for gutting it out. Okay,
Speaker 7: so before the break, we're back on. Jesse's not a
Speaker 7: believer in bringing Mike McCarthy back.
Speaker 4: The opposite of Barry Church, by the way, when it
Speaker 4: comes down to loyalty and saying, you know, aligning himself,
Speaker 4: Barry is loyal to the soil.
Speaker 5: That necessarily is not approached the things either. My good
Speaker 5: brother Barry, I know you like Kellen Moore.
Speaker 4: I hope you love hibout love.
Speaker 7: And I keep going back into this premise of yeah,
Speaker 7: I have my thoughts, but I have to go back
Speaker 7: and think when I talk about this, the thoughts of
Speaker 7: the owner in general manager who did not box himself
Speaker 7: in last night after the game, appreciated what Mike McCarthy
Speaker 7: did and spoke before about how, hey man, we thought
Speaker 7: we basically somebody died when we found out that Washington
Speaker 7: won the game and they went out there and they
Speaker 7: performed highly. I just don't see his appetite to go.
Speaker 7: I didn't get anyone else, and once again, who do
Speaker 7: you go get? Jesse you want to bring up some
Speaker 7: offensive names and some first time guys who have been
Speaker 7: head coaches.
Speaker 6: I don't see that you've played here.
Speaker 7: You understand that this is not just a football job.
Speaker 6: This is an entertainment plax that you deal with.
Speaker 7: I look at this job the way managing the New
Speaker 7: York Yankees used to be out of George time.
Speaker 6: Man, it's what we just see.
Speaker 2: Yes, what did we just see in the Netflix preview?
Speaker 2: This is bigger than football. He said it.
Speaker 5: He said, this is a soap op for three hundred
Speaker 5: and sixty five days a year.
Speaker 2: You're not coming here, and coach you coming here.
Speaker 7: I remember Christmas Sharp when he got here, he uh
Speaker 7: went went to lunch with him and uh and Dinnistman.
Speaker 7: He was like, Yeah, it's a little different than Seattle.
Speaker 7: You know, it's a lot lots of stuff's going on.
Speaker 7: So you may have a practice one day and all
Speaker 7: of a sudden, practice could get changed on you because
Speaker 7: you know, I just got stuff to do.
Speaker 2: The stuff you were.
Speaker 7: You here with us that day when they had the
Speaker 7: trailers out there for the Country Music Awards, and so
Speaker 7: they took up one side of the field and they
Speaker 7: had like, ohca is on the other side of that rained,
Speaker 7: and then they couldn't go into the forts and it
Speaker 7: because they had.
Speaker 6: To set up. It's different around here. It's the gift
Speaker 6: in the.
Speaker 4: Curse are Jerry landing during practice, It's the happens because
Speaker 4: he didn't.
Speaker 2: Know what time practice was starting.
Speaker 7: He didn't know time practice was so this is so
Speaker 7: it's is like you're you know, this is a different
Speaker 7: kind of jam man.
Speaker 2: So not everybody's cut out to do this.
Speaker 7: And oh, by the way, guess what, you will have
Speaker 7: a collaborative effort. You're not getting to make your own decision.
Speaker 7: They're gonna they're gonna work with you.
Speaker 5: The one thing I get to do if I'm an
Speaker 5: offensive play caller, it's called my own place. Design my
Speaker 5: own place. That's That's the part that I'm getting to.
Speaker 5: There's no one. No one realizes just how how big
Speaker 5: the tornado is until you're in the eye of it.
Speaker 5: Right once you're in the.
Speaker 6: Eye, I can't a certain thing. I can't.
Speaker 5: And I know that there's some other things when it
Speaker 5: comes to that too, you know, I know you know exact.
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is I still would like to
Speaker 5: have somebody that is exceptional when it comes down to
Speaker 5: designing and profiling the plays that I am able to
Speaker 5: call on Sundays when you talk about like we're in
Speaker 5: week fifteen and I was seeing things last night, I'm like, oh, wow,
Speaker 5: look at him using these plays and actually using them
Speaker 5: to set up another play, right like the Cavante Turpin
Speaker 5: his first run he runs, that play comes right back
Speaker 5: to it again, the same thing, play action it catch
Speaker 5: bright coaching.
Speaker 2: I said, Oh, that's how you set up a play.
Speaker 5: That's that's the process of walking this thing down and
Speaker 5: setting things up, and far too often we are left,
Speaker 5: we are left our desires unfulfilled when the things that
Speaker 5: are happening offensively and my biggest the thing that I
Speaker 5: stand ten toes down on is that I brought you
Speaker 5: here to be a difference maker, and the difference has
Speaker 5: it been made not well enough to that it's going
Speaker 5: to get us to a place of ultimate success. And
Speaker 5: that's where I'm like, we gotta do something else, because
Speaker 5: bringing him back doesn't change the fact that you're.
Speaker 2: Still going to be who you are in the ninth inning.
Speaker 2: Players don't.
Speaker 5: You ain't changing the play a game of the ninth
Speaker 5: in it, And so you give them three more years
Speaker 5: or four more years or whatever the deal would be.
Speaker 2: What changes.
Speaker 6: That's a fair point, But I go back.
Speaker 7: I don't think the owner has the appetite to go
Speaker 7: out and make.
Speaker 4: A change because they're not going to go to college.
Speaker 4: They're not going to bring a guy from college into
Speaker 4: this job. That I mean, if you think about it,
Speaker 4: that's exactly what you're talking. This isn't an entertainment business.
Speaker 4: That guy wouldn't even be able to understand or even
Speaker 4: be able to withstand this the media storm.
Speaker 6: Come on, we've heard that name, but we.
Speaker 7: Have we've heard that that name, and you look at
Speaker 7: how sensitive this man is. Okay, you out in now
Speaker 7: La where they don't even really care the medium really
Speaker 7: showing up every day out there.
Speaker 4: You are.
Speaker 5: I'd rather have Cliff Kingsbury than Lincoln Raley. What if
Speaker 5: those are the options? Those are my two options that
Speaker 5: you were giving me, and I don't want either one
Speaker 5: of them. But if those were the two options, if
Speaker 5: that was an option, thatdn't get me.
Speaker 4: Who is a play caller in the NFL right now
Speaker 4: that you look at their game and you said that,
Speaker 4: I love that? Who's that guy offensive? Like an offensive
Speaker 4: play called OC Ben, Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, Matt Lafleur. There's another one, McVeigh. McVeigh. You
Speaker 2: know it's McVeigh. Oh my god.
Speaker 5: McVeigh would be like, he's he gives you, he gives
Speaker 5: you an advantage. You hear a lot from the forty
Speaker 5: nine ers fans. They're talking about they ready to get
Speaker 5: rid of Kyle Shanahan. I'm like, God, please, what are
Speaker 5: y'all waiting on? Because if you do, if you do,
Speaker 5: I'll drive, So I'll drive, the saying friend to.
Speaker 2: Pick him up for y'all. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: Let me just's this here.
Speaker 7: If because Mike's a free agent, he can decided he
Speaker 7: wants to go coach the Saints, would you be willing
Speaker 7: to give up a draft pick for and I'm not
Speaker 7: naming any names, not naming any coaches, but would you
Speaker 7: be willing to trade for a coach?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Okay, what coaches out there?
Speaker 7: We will do that.
Speaker 2: We can't do that, okay, all right, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: just would you yes? Okay, okay, Yes.
Speaker 4: There is a coach out here, fictitional coach out here
Speaker 4: that you believe if you bring him in here, he's
Speaker 4: going to be that kind of change agent that you
Speaker 4: you would trade first round picks for. Yeah, okay, yeah, yes.
Speaker 7: Because the itches we need all around.
Speaker 2: Yes, I believe if you.
Speaker 7: Look at the guy next year, he's really he's ready
Speaker 7: to give you that axe.
Speaker 2: Step too slow, yeah, step slow.
Speaker 4: There, thank you. Don't stop wearing hell right now, wearing hell. Yes,
Speaker 4: we got it right before Christmas. Oh year, I had
Speaker 4: got it.
Speaker 6: We gotta go, We gotta go, guys, we gotta go,
Speaker 6: we gotta go. And it's coach Tony said, what are
Speaker 6: you gonna do? I can't do it for you.
Speaker 2: What do you get it?
Speaker 4: Goodbye.
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