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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody get this. Chuck and I will be back

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Speaker 1: on tour this January out in the Pacific Northwest. On

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Speaker 1: the twenty fourth of January, we'll be in Seattle at

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Speaker 1: the Paramount Theater and the next day, January twenty fifth,

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Speaker 1: will be in Portland, Oregon at our beloved Revolution Hall.

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Speaker 1: You can get tickets on pre sale right now use

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Speaker 1: see you guys in January.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 1: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is Stuff you

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Speaker 1: should Know, the Greasiest of the Greasy Spoons edition.

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Speaker 2: That's right. May I have a moment at the top

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Speaker 2: here to speak to our layoff of last week that

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Speaker 2: no one even knows because the Stuff you should listener

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Speaker 1: I'll step aside into the wings as the spotlight zero's

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Speaker 1: in on you. Well.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I just wanted to thank everybody. My

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Speaker 2: my we lost our dog, Charlie. We had to put

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Speaker 2: our eldest Charlie to sleep last week, and so I

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Speaker 2: wanted to say thank you to all the people on

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Speaker 2: Instagram who were so kind, many many hundreds of people

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Speaker 2: commenting and many many thousands of people parting, and that always,

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Speaker 2: you know, helps out. But this was a tough one.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've lost five animals now since stuff you

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Speaker 2: should know launched, which is remarkable. Don't you think you

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Speaker 2: have a huge bummer, huge bummer. But Charlie, it was rough.

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Speaker 2: This was Ruby's first loss, and she insisted on being there,

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Speaker 2: so we kept her out of school and the vet

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Speaker 2: the whole thing and she did you know, it was

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Speaker 2: devis but she did great and many many lessons were learned.

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Speaker 1: Man, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Chuck, Yeah, she did a good job. It was yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're all very hard always, but I think

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Speaker 2: she had. I think I've been saying it this way,

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Speaker 2: which is when you have an eight year old, you

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Speaker 2: hear all different kinds of cries out of your kid,

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Speaker 2: and they all have an agenda, usually right like I

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Speaker 2: didn't get this, or I wanted that, or I'm hungry,

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Speaker 2: or I got hurt or whatever, like they all have

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Speaker 2: like a different sound and a different meaning, but this

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Speaker 2: one was brand new, and this was a cry of

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Speaker 2: pure heartbreak and it was awful. So it sounded different

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Speaker 2: anytime soon. I had no agenda attached to it, and

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Speaker 2: then I think that's what part of the awfulness was.

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Speaker 2: It was just just heartbreak. So it was rough. We

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Speaker 2: this personally, but I want like the world to know

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Speaker 2: how amazing you and Jerry are for basically just saying

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Speaker 2: like this. We record on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Two hours

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Speaker 2: before we were set to record is when we decided

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Speaker 2: So I was clearly not going to record then, and

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Speaker 2: then we did it Wednesday, and Thursday rolls around and

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Speaker 2: I still was in no shape to do it, and

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Speaker 2: this screwed up our schedule, and you guys were just

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Speaker 2: really supportive, like family is. So I want everyone to

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Speaker 2: understand that.

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Speaker 1: You got it. Of course we wouldn't be any other

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. And now we are in phase three.

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Speaker 2: The decision is phase one, which is awful doing it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the little things like, oh, Charlie licks

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Speaker 1: Well on behalf of everybody who knows and loves you,

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Speaker 1: And I can't even make myself get into your shoes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Now let's talk about diners.

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Speaker 1: I think it's good we're easing into diners like it's

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Speaker 2: Well. I mean I think we've had a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, and speaking of Livia, this turned out to

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Speaker 2: and they restored not only a diner, but they restored

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Speaker 2: the Wooster lunch car number seven sixty five man from

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Speaker 2: the Moran Square Diner in Fitchburg, Massachusetts. And this thing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, Ember and the diner. I know we're all

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Speaker 1: So Walter Scott. The reason we're thanking him is he

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Speaker 1: No, not like today. You like, keep your head down

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Speaker 1: So Walter Scott decided that there was a whole market

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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, which was essentially a food truck.

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Speaker 2: So it's a guy named Sam Jones who said, all right,

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Speaker 1: Walter Scott was like, oh, I hadn't thought of naming it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty good name too for a late

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Speaker 2: night eatery, for sure. And that was imitated and people,

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Speaker 1: He went and patented it. But it eventually became Diners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well what happened was, you know, this was

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Speaker 2: to people, these boxes on wheels with little kitchens. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and maybe we'll make them kind of cool looking on

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Speaker 2: we can ship them. We can ship them on trains.

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Speaker 2: They're small enough at this point where you can put

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Speaker 2: the PJ. Tyranny Company in New York building these sort

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Speaker 2: of made to order little restaurants that you can just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you said, the Marin Square Diner Olivia's

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Speaker 1: Relatives Diner in Fitchburg, they redid or refurbished a Worcester

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and number seven sixty five.

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Speaker 2: And in nineteen thirteen, with the Jerry o' mahoney company,

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Speaker 2: So the deal with why they're called diners is very

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Speaker 2: so that's why you know the diners, the sort of

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Speaker 1: If I remember correctly from our Googie episode though that

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you may have been thinking of Mickey's because

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Speaker 2: Libya listed Mickey's Diner in Saint Paul, Minnesota is one

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Speaker 1: Casey's Diner and Natick Okay, I think that's the one.

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Speaker 2: You're all gorgeous though.

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Speaker 1: They are, and that's the one that still has like

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Speaker 2: Should we take a break?

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Speaker 1: I think so?

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Speaker 2: Now, all right, somebody at Casey's needs to instagrab that

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Speaker 1: So we have like a oh, we're back by the way, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: But the kind of view that we have of diners

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Speaker 1: Oh? I have, it's been a really long time.

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Speaker 2: They just need an area, you know, a little bit

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Speaker 1: No, they're done.

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Speaker 2: So the menus at this time were not the most expansive.

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Speaker 1: It was like the local diner. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Probably it was like you know what you would imagine,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the fact that you can find the best

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, should we go ahead and talk about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Why not? Because apparently there was a point in time,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Livia found one source that said

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Speaker 2: ninety percent of diner owners in the US were Greek,

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Speaker 2: Carpathos or Carpathos. I'm not sure that they pronounced it.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with Carpathos Carpathos.

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Speaker 1: I think that's where Balki came from. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And there were a couple of waves of these immigrations

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Speaker 2: the early twentieth century. They would own coffee shops and

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Speaker 2: It's because they come here, they run it. Their family

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It also explains that those coffee cups that were

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Speaker 1: just as simple as that, which I'd know the Broadway

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Speaker 1: that wasn't a chain, that wasn't owned clearly by a

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Speaker 2: So post World War Two, we kind of brought you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were so lucky because their market just bottomed

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Speaker 1: that had more money to eat out. And interestingly, I

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00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: hadn't thought about this, but a lot of women entered

435
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: the workforce for the first time in World War two,

436
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: and after the war, a lot of them stayed in

437
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: the workforce like this. This custom had been broken, and

438
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: there was a new social acceptance of women working. It

439
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: was more socially accepted than it was before. And if

440
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: you're working every day, you probably don't want to cook

441
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: every day. So now not only does your family have

442
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: the money to go eat out, you have a great

443
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: incentive to go eat out if you're the mom too, like,

444
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: let's go eat out somewhere. But you don't want to

445
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: spend all of your money every time you go out.

446
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: So diners kind of moved to the suburbs and said

447
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: to and open their doors, and those families with the

448
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 1: little extra money and working moms came to eat there.

449
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: That's right. And I'm gonna go ahead and stop people

450
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 2: emailing to say, Josh, you missed a great joke opportunity.

451
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: Oh what was it?

452
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 2: Well, when you said hats off, you probably should have said,

453
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: my fez is off to you?

454
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: Where feeses increase?

455
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: Isn't it Greek?

456
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: No, that's Northern African, like Morocca, Moroccan or something or Tunisian. Okay,

457
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: I think you're thinking of Shriners, and there may be

458
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,239
Speaker 1: some Greek Shriners. I'm not sure. But in Greece they

459
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: wear those little kind of sailors caps, almost like a sailor.

460
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: It's a cruss between a newsboy cap and a cap

461
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: captain's cap. Okay, do you know what I'm talking about?

462
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: Look up Greek Greek cap?

463
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: Well you know what, I just looked up Fez's Moroccan.

464
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: But it's actually ancient Greek in origin.

465
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: That seems like a pretty wild technicality if you.

466
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: Ask me, it is because it is probably not associate

467
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: with Greece.

468
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: But look right, my Greek cap. You'll know exactly what

469
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

470
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: Well, wait, but I bet there's a name for it, right,

471
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: the Greek cap. It doesn't have a I don't know,

472
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like a Greek fisherman's cap.

473
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, that's exactly what I mean. That's what you

474
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: would find somebody wearing it a diner who worked there.

475
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, a skipper cap or a Breton cap.

476
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: Okay, so there you go. So I tip my Breton cap.

477
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: Where were we? Oh, we were talking about women all

478
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: of a sudden, being like, hey, I don't have to

479
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: cook all these meals. That's great, right.

480
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: And then the diners moved to the suburbs and found

481
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: like a whole new market. Yeah.

482
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 2: And the other thing that they did to help sort of,

483
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 2: you know, they kind of cleaned up their act a

484
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 2: little bit, yeah, and said listen to you guys, maybe

485
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: don't gamble. Inside the restaurant, they started all of a

486
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: sudden there were servers, Like they wanted to make it

487
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: a more you know, full restaurant kind of experience, so

488
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: you don't even have to get up and go get

489
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: the plates of food. Now we're going to have people

490
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: serving them to you, yeah, domesticate them. And and teenagers

491
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 2: all of a sudden it was like, hey, we can

492
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: go hang out of the diner after school, or like

493
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: these things are open light at night. If we're up

494
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: to no good, we can go buy the diner and

495
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: you know and pour a little whiskey into our soda pop.

496
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: So Also, and another thing that domesticated the those diners

497
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: was that those servers were in large part women. The

498
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: new servers that have been brought on board were women,

499
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: and that signaled to families like, hey, this is a

500
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: safe place. Like if I'm safe to work here, you're

501
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: safe to eat here. Hun right, you know.

502
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were to say, yeah, uh, these were still

503
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: prefab restaurants for the most part, even post war, but

504
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: they added more windows, they added like sort of that

505
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: pastel color theme that you see in diners came along then, yes,

506
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: sometimes mirrored ceilings, yeah, tile for mica counters. That's that

507
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties kind of look because they had to all

508
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know, cars were resuming by in

509
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: the road and they had to get people's attention to

510
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 2: stop and eat. So the diners had to look you know, cooler.

511
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: And that's kind of where that Googi thing come in.

512
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: You might have a cool Googi sign, so a car

513
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: would go, ah, I got to stop there, right.

514
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: So the image that you have of diners, like popular

515
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: diners that you see in like a movie like Greece

516
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: or something like that, or Happy Days or whatever that was.

517
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: It solidified to this era, the suburban post World War

518
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: two diners. The image that we have of diners is

519
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: like the classic thing.

520
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, still mainly in Northeast affair, but starting around the

521
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 2: fifties and into the sixties is when they tried to

522
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: expect and west and South and it didn't go quite

523
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: like it did in the Northeast. In the South, I

524
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: think people associated diners with the Northeast.

525
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: And the War of Northern Aggression, I think still too.

526
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: Well sure, and just there was you know, in the

527
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: South at the time, there were just a lot of

528
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: things where it was like, oh, you know, that's how

529
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: the Northerners do it, and we don't do things that way,

530
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: so that we didn't have diners down here like they

531
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: did up there.

532
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: No, not in classic style, but diners in everything but

533
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: name were here pretty early on. I think waffle House

534
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: started in nineteen fifty five, and I'm sure there were

535
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: diners that, like silver Skillet has to have started before

536
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: the fifties. It is old, the majestic, yes, old. So

537
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: I mean we had things, they just weren't prefab They

538
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: didn't look like trains necessarily, although some did or had

539
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: some qualities like that. They just didn't call them diners

540
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: down here because diners were Yankee.

541
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty much exactly right.

542
00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: Right.

543
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: Well, we can go ahead and talk about waffle House

544
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: because they kind of figure in. In the nineteen fifties,

545
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: these new places, these new chains started popping up that

546
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: you know, you may not call it a diner, but

547
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: something like Denny's opened in California in nineteen fifty three

548
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: originally Danny's Donuts and morphed into Denny's and Denny's and

549
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: Ihop which was in nineteen fifty eight, also in the

550
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: LA area. They're both essentially diners and even in kind

551
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: of how they look on the inside and the things

552
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: they serve and the spirit waffle house is a diner

553
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 2: like kind of full stop. They even I don't think

554
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: they're prefab but like I think opening a waffle house

555
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: is like this kit in a box built yeah.

556
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but they have like all of the

557
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: classic trappings of a diner. There's the kitchen area that's

558
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: separated by a counter that people sit at. There's servers

559
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: that come out from behind the counter to help the

560
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: people in the booths booths or booth seating is like

561
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: actually a diner innovation from way back, and you know,

562
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: there's a door that separates the booths that you come

563
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: in like this is a diner. It's a diying expensive

564
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: food exactly, yeah, exactly that can may or may not

565
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: give you dysentery.

566
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I love waffle house.

567
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: If house the other day and it was not good.

568
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: I did too, And that's the first time I've eaten

569
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: there in years. Where what did you have?

570
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: And where did you go? And why I was on

571
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: in Smyrna. Okay, I went because I hadn't been in

572
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: a while, and I was craving scattered and covered hash browns, okay,

573
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: And it was just gross. I don't know if it

574
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: was I've changed or this particular waffle house was bad,

575
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was a gross experience for

576
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: men like gross.

577
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry to hear that, because I think one

578
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: thing waffle house is known for is their remarkable consistency

579
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: of like the food is kind of exactly the same

580
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 2: at all of them.

581
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, I don't I don't mean the food. The

582
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: food was generally fine. I mean like watching a cook

583
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 1: drop something on the floor and just pick it up

584
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: and use it to stuff like that. Really, there was

585
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: a seat that had inexplicably had like a trash bag

586
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: over it and some tape at the counter, like it

587
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: was just a gross scene. It had like all waffle

588
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: houses had that just structural grease that has never been cleaned,

589
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: that is holding the place together like glue, And for

590
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: some reason this one was just grosser than the normal

591
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: waffle houses grease structure all.

592
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I had a great experience. Actually went to

593
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: waffle House with our friend John Hodgman.

594
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, where'd you go?

595
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: Well, somehow, and this might chock some people who know

596
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: about John, I managed to get him to the camp

597
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: and he went camping, yeah, before his Atlanta show. And

598
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: then after the camp, on the way back to Atlanta,

599
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: we stopped at one in you know, North Georgia. So

600
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: that's like a more real deal experienced waffle house then

601
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: you could probably imagine.

602
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: I think they probably keep theirs cleaner because there are

603
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: very few places to eat out, so they kind of

604
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: take pride in what they got.

605
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good. I had an egg sandwich and

606
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: some hash Browns and John and I splittle country Ham.

607
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: Oh boy, it was good. You were being bad.

608
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: But boy, I used to go there a lot late

609
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: night in college. That was the thing.

610
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I loved waffle House in high school. I

611
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: always has a place in my heart. I was just

612
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: very disappointed that, well that's why you went there. It's

613
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: entirely possible that I have become more of a germophobe

614
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 1: than I was in high school.

615
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: I think you and I should hit one up at

616
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: some point.

617
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: But if I'm just sitting there and like, don't touch anything. Well, no,

618
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: it's me. You can be the gauge of whether it's

619
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: me or not.

620
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: Just to put a button on this. The very first

621
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: waffle house you mentioned in nineteen fifty five that upened

622
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: in Avondale, Estates, which is just a few minutes from

623
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: where I live, and there is a restored a sort

624
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: of original waffle house. I guess it was the original

625
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: waffle house. They have restored as kind of a museum,

626
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: but I don't know if it's ever open. I think

627
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: you can do events there, but it's it's never opened,

628
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: so I'm not even sure what the deal is.

629
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: That's like strange the world of coke having like the

630
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: coke fountains, but nothing comes out of them. So just

631
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: to button this whole thing up about like Denny's and

632
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: I hop in waffle House. Yeah, they were diners, but

633
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: they were diners that you knew what you were getting

634
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: no matter where you were in the country because they

635
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: were chains, and they really gave locally owned diners, like

636
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: the real deal diners a run for their money and

637
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: almost squished them out of existence. So too did fast

638
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: food chains that were coming up about the same time,

639
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: Southern California almost killed the diner. Essentially, is what we're

640
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: what we're saying by spitting out. I hop Denny's, fast

641
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: food stuff like McDonald's, and I think Taco Bell. But

642
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: thanks to that fifties nostalgia of the seventies, Yeah, like

643
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: Greece Happy Days, Shanna. No, yeah, exactly, Shanna. I can't

644
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: think of any other examples, but it was a big

645
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: deal back then. They loved the fifties. In the late seventies,

646
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: it managed to like rescue the diner and basically revive

647
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: it and keep it alive just enough so that you

648
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: could make a living again as a family, a Greek

649
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: family apparently owning a diner and just you know, cooking

650
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: great diner food.

651
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: Totally. Should we take a break?

652
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: I think we should.

653
00:34:37,160 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 3: All right, we'll call this the post waffle House break. Shit,

654
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 3: all right.

655
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: Now I can think about is setting waffle house right

656
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: in your mind again?

657
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: Well we'll go. It's not like that was its last chance.

658
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: I won't be going back to that one again.

659
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: But Okay, it sounded like you were kind of like,

660
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, why would I even risk it again?

661
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: No, No, I think it could be that location.

662
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: Okay, fantastic, that one's dead to you. We should go

663
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: to the one over near me where Kid Rock got

664
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: in a fistfight man that guy. Uh Oh. The other

665
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: thing we didn't mention about waffle House, which is they

666
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: are open twenty four to seven three sixty five and

667
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: FEMA actually uses what's called the waffle House Index, wherein

668
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: if there's a natural disaster in the area, if the

669
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: waffle house actually is closed, then they will say that

670
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: they were like even the waffle house is closed, which

671
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: means we're in real trouble.

672
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like things are really bad there because the waffle

673
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: does not close.

674
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 2: I had a Thanksgiving there once when I was alone.

675
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: How was it? You know? It was.

676
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: Fine and kind of fun and kitchy, but then also

677
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: a little lonely and sad. Yeah, as you would imagine that.

678
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: But also it's like one of those situations where you

679
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: connect with the people that you're surrounded by, strangers that

680
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: you meet ay more than under normal circumstances. That can

681
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: be pretty gratifying in and of itself.

682
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I still keep in touch with with Butch

683
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: and Trucky and uh, kid Rock, flim Flam and Kid

684
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: Rock and all those people flim flam.

685
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: Huh, what's flimflam about?

686
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: Flim flam? He's he's a brick layer.

687
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I know that guy.

688
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: He's a good guy.

689
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: Did he go to Georgia stated?

690
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 2: He lays a heck of.

691
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: A brick too.

692
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: I uh so. The the tie between the diner and

693
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: just sort of pop culture and politics is one that's

694
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 2: always been around, even back in the very beginning. Lvia

695
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: found this article from eighteen ninety six from the Boston

696
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: Morning Journal where they talked about it was a place

697
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: where the fashional gentleman could rub elbows with the homeless itinerant.

698
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: But you know, it was always just sort of like

699
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: this is authentic America where all kinds of people can

700
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: get together. And that is why it became a stop

701
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: for many politicians when they were in town to maybe

702
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: go to the local diner wherever they were, when they

703
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: stopped in a town when they were on the campaign trail.

704
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: But certainly some diners have distinguished themselves as you have

705
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: to come here basically if you're campaigning for office.

706
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: It's interesting there's one in particular called the Red Arrow Diner.

707
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: It's in Manchester in New Hampshire and it was Bill

708
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: Clinton who put it on the map, at least the

709
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: campaign map. He apparently he lost pretty bad in Iowa.

710
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: I can't remember Tom Harkin, that's right, was one of

711
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: his who Tom Harkin. He was a senator from Iowa.

712
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: So he trounced Clinton and everybody else in Iowa at

713
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: the caucus. But Clinton made a huge comeback by getting

714
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: really like on the ground and shaking hands and kissing babies.

715
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: And one of the ways that he did that was

716
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: going to diners. And one of the diners that, for

717
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: some reason or another stuck was the Red Arrow Diner.

718
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: And it became tradition. Like when you go through New Hampshire,

719
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: if you're running for president in the United States, you

720
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: go to the Red Arrow Diner. You have a pressop there,

721
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: you go, meet a few people, you eat some pancakes

722
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: or something, and you leave. But you have to do it.

723
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: You can't not do it, which is pretty cool. But

724
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: the thing that surprised me is this actually goes a

725
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: little further back than nineteen ninety two is Jimmy Carter,

726
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: who first was like, man, I want to portray that

727
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to the people. Where are the people, and

728
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: then he thought the diner, specifically the Chat and chew,

729
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: which is the worst name for any restaurant ever in

730
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: the history of civilization. I don't know if that's going

731
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: to track in Tunnel one to New York.

732
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: It should be the chat then chew, right, or the

733
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: chew then chat. Don't do both of the same.

734
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: Thing, right, or maybe the chew quietly swallow And then

735
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: when you think of something interesting to say, chat.

736
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: I like that, knew better. Yeah that's good. Yeah, Jimmy Carter.

737
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: It's been a thing ever since then. Diners have always

738
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 2: popped up in pop culture. There's a few notable instances.

739
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: One of course, is the Edward Hopper painting from nineteen

740
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: forty two Nighthawks, which is that classic painting of the

741
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: diner on the corner. And you know, all kinds of

742
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: people have been painted into that painting since then.

743
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had that poster the Boulevard of Broken Dreams.

744
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was at Marilyn Monroe and James Dean.

745
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: Yep, and Bogie and Elvis is behind the counter working

746
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: for some reason. Now, okay, I don't know why Bogeye

747
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: would be included in that. He was fine, He had

748
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: a gratefulfilling, nice life, no broken dreams, not one. From

749
00:39:59,200 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: what I understand.

750
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: There was the movie Diner, of course, Barry Levinson's movie

751
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty two. Great movie set around these dudes

752
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty nine Baltimore and sort of that diner

753
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: culture of hanging out and you know, up to no goodness.

754
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: Apparently that that movie in particular, But I think Barry

755
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: Levinson's work in general inspired Quentin Tarantino. His whole banter

756
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: thing that he's so well known for. Apparently it comes

757
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: from Barry Levinson had no idea.

758
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Old Tarantino has a lot of

759
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 2: diner stuff. The reservoir Dogs opening scene, yep, I don't

760
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: tip that whole classic scene.

761
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: A lot of barely scripted banter in all of his.

762
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: Movies, yeah, which is heavily scripted.

763
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: So god, that'd be so hard to do well. I mean, yeah,

764
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: Breton cap off to the actors in Tarantino movies who

765
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: can memorize that stuff and regurgitate it without making it

766
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: seem like it's win totally, you know.

767
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. The great diner in pulp fiction, of course, is

768
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: the Hawthorne Grill in La which is now an AutoZone.

769
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: That's sad. But what about the Marte Cafe in North Bend, Washington,

770
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: which stood in as the Double R Diner.

771
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: In Twin Peaks Classic.

772
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: It is a classic diner so much so that you're like,

773
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: that's kind of a creddy diner. Like that's how well

774
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: they nailed it.

775
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, big time. I think they shot the pilot in

776
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: the actual North Bend's location and then they moved to

777
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 2: a sound stage for a lot of the actual show

778
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: and rebuilt that diner, but then went back to the

779
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: real diner for the movie Firewalk with Me, and I

780
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: believe it was partially burned down in two thousand and rebuilt,

781
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 2: but it didn't look the same. So in twenty seventeen,

782
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: when David Lynch came out with the new Twin Peaks,

783
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: they actually paid to restore that diner to its original

784
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: appearance so they could film there, which is awesome.

785
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, just goes to show you production companies get stuff done.

786
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, like when they rebuilt Avondale Mall near me because

787
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: Chuck Norris drove a pickup through it in Invasion USA.

788
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, there's one called Tom's, Well, Tom's Restaurant

789
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: I think it's just called Tom's. It's in Manhattan on Broadway,

790
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: and if you've ever watched Seinfeld, that's what they uses

791
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: the establishing shot for their Monks Coffee Shop, I think right. Yeah,

792
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: and the Suzanne Vegas song Tom's Diner is about Tom's

793
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: as well. Oh, Susan Mega, Yeah you remember that song?

794
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: Sure?

795
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to tell us a near worm.

796
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: Well I will, I will batty you. At the same time,

797
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: we can drive people crazy by me singing my name

798
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: is Luca. On top of no, you can't do it,

799
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: I will if you want. Okay, you ready, my name

800
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: is Luca. I live on the second floor. It definitely

801
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: makes Luca more upbeat.

802
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: W Yeah, for sure, it's a it's not supposed to

803
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: be upbeat.

804
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: For sure. We can mention cases because you are correct.

805
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: That is in uh Natic or I'm in Massachusetts. How

806
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: you pronounced Natick? Yeah, totally okay, And that's supposedly the

807
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: oldest diner in the United States. That's still a thing.

808
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. It started out as like a lunch wagon, like

809
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: with a horse attached to it from eighteen ninety and

810
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: then it became one of those Worcester Lunch Car Company

811
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: models from nineteen twenty two, and I guess they bought

812
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: that and replaced the lunch Wagon with it in nineteen

813
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: twenty seven. It's been running ever since then. That's just amazing.

814
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And we got to shout out New Jersey

815
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: because Jersey and when I lived there, there was a

816
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 2: kid from the South who who only knew waffle house.

817
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: Basically all I heard was diner this, and diner that.

818
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: You know, whenever people out, well, let's go to the diner.

819
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: Let's meet at the diner. I was like, what is

820
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 2: it with you people in diners? Because I didn't know

821
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: about this culture in the Northeast. And New Jersey is

822
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: I believe, still the leading state for the number of

823
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: diners today.

824
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you've ever watched Sopranos, let's set in New

825
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: Jersey and they're in diners like all the time.

826
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, six hundred of the roughly two thousand diners still around,

827
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: as according to Smithsonian Magazine, are in New Jersey. And

828
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: maybe the Jerio Mahoney company being based there had something

829
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: to do with that, but they love their diners in Jersey.

830
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: Well, there you go, Jersey. This episode was for you.

831
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: That's right.

832
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: Can you get anything else? Nah, I don't either. Since

833
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: Chuck said Nan, I said, I don't either. That unlocked

834
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: listener mail.

835
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna call this buttons buttons buttons. We heard

836
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: from a lot of people about why buttons are for

837
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: traditionally for a man's garment and a woman's garment on

838
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: different sides. I had heard this, but I forgot Okay,

839
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 2: so thanks to everyone who emailed in. But we're going

840
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: with Sheila from Decatur, Georgia, because Sheila's right down the

841
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: street to as a long time Atlanta and uga Alum.

842
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: I love your show, guys, especially when you reference Atlanta

843
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: and Athens go Dogs. Regarding your mention of buttons on

844
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: the opposite side, women's clothes have traditionally been made with

845
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: enclosures on the opposite of men's because of upper class

846
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 2: royal women having assistants when getting dressed. Therefore, and people

847
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: being traditionally or not traditionally but predominantly right handed. Therefore,

848
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: the buttons would be fastened by someone on the other

849
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: side of the person wearing the clothes. I guess with

850
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: the assumption that actually working the button with your right

851
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 2: hand is more intuitive and easier than your left hand,

852
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: your non dominant hand, so more right handed people. Means

853
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: men were dressing themselves with a button the right and

854
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: women were dressed by other women with their buttons on

855
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 2: the left.

856
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Who is that? Who wrote that? Suzanne Vega?

857
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: That was Susanna, That was Shila, Chila Vegas, Susanne's sister.

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00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Sheila. We appreciate that from you, and

859
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people wrote in, So yeah, thank you

860
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: to everybody like you said. And if you want to

861
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: be like Shila and the whole gang and write to

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