1 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly conversation 2 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: about mental health, personal development, and all the small decisions 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: we can make to become the best possible versions of ourselves. 4 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm your host, doctor Joy Hard and Bradford, a licensed 5 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or to find 6 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: a therapist in your area, visit our website at Therapy 7 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: for Blackgirls dot com. While I hope you love listening 8 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: to and learning from the podcast, it is not meant 9 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: to be a substitute for a relationship with a licensed 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much for joining 11 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: me for session three ninety four of the Black Girls Podcast. 12 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: We'll get right into our conversation after a word from 13 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: our sponsors. 14 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm sir John, a celebrity makeup artist and visionary. 15 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: Join me for this special January Jumpstar episode designed to 16 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: help you make twenty twenty five your best year yet. 17 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: Whether it's a soft beat or a met gala, glamor moment, 18 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: putting on makeup can inspire confidence and unleash the inner 19 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: Baddy within many of us. Welcome back to another installment 20 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: of our January Jumpstart series, designed to make twenty twenty 21 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: five one of your best years yet. You want to 22 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: grab a notepad, a mirror, and maybe a little setting 23 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: spray as we explore how beginners can kickstart their makeup 24 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: journey while not forgetting that true beauty lies within. Joining 25 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: me for this conversation is the artist, creative director, and 26 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: makeup mi shro Sir John. Sir John is the visionary 27 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: behind iconic looks for legends like Beyonce, Naomi Campbell, and 28 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: Serena Williams. More than just a makeup artist, Sir John 29 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: is also a creative director, of business, executive, and TV host, 30 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: all of which he does while inspiring others to celebrate 31 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: true individuality and curate a beautiful, holistic lifestyle. During our conversation, 32 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: Sir John takes us through his journey of becoming a 33 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: makeup mogul, shares some of his favorite makeup hacks, including 34 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: a few Beyonce approved tips, and emphasizes the importance of 35 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: developing a personal relationship with makeup that's undeterred by trends 36 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 1: or societal pressures. If something resonates with you while enjoying 37 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: our conversation, please share with us on social media using 38 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: the hashtag tvg in session or join us over in 39 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: the Sister Circle so talk more about the episode. You 40 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: can join us at community dot therapy for Blackgirls dot com. 41 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: Here's our conversation. 42 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: I love your hair. 43 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much. I'm having a good 44 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: one day hair twist out. It doesn't always turn out 45 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: that way. 46 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but no, but like, so what does it 47 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: do after this? 48 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: Well, if I twist it back up tonight, it just 49 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: gets bigger and bigger, which is what I love. Yes, yeah, 50 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: but the twist out sometimes comes out too tight on 51 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: day one, too. 52 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: Tight on day one. Yeah, I was seeing a hack 53 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: on tektalk. But do you use like anti frizz and 54 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: then an oil and all that kind of stuff? 55 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: No, I use just an oil, but I don't have 56 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: anything anti frieze. Maybe I should incorporate that because your hair. 57 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: Is natural, right mm hmm, it'll keep that curl powdern 58 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: in there longer without it being like your day three, 59 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: if that makes any right. 60 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. 61 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, like an anti frish serum would be dope. 62 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: And also, like, okay, I got so many questions do 63 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: you use that's. 64 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: You're already giving me advice. I love it. 65 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: Do you use the steamer? 66 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: I do not. My beautician does use a steamer when 67 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: I go, like every three months, So but would you 68 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: suggest more frequently? 69 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? So guess what. Guess who has one? Tracy just 70 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: came out with the first at home steamers, Like, you know, 71 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: I didn't know how. I'm like, I was sitting next 72 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: to Angela rod We should probably put this on. 73 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: We're already recording. 74 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So we were out of dinner for Sergio Hudson, 75 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: who's a great friend of mine, sitting next to Angela Rye. 76 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 2: We're talking to Tracy and so everyone's talking about how 77 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: much they love the steamer. And so I didn't know steaming. 78 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: I've been seeing it, but I didn't know how amazing 79 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: it is for hair, especially if you have curly hair, 80 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: because the moisture needs to travel right up the follicle. 81 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: So at home steamer is going to be like your 82 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: jam on your days off or when you want to 83 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: bring your curl pattern back to life or whatever that 84 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: looks like. And I'm want to use it. I'm like, 85 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: can I turn it around and use it on my 86 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: face too? 87 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: I mean why not? 88 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 2: So? 89 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you thank you for that. I appreciate this 90 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: little pre. 91 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: Just jump right in, right up, right in. 92 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we are already getting acquaened. But I would 93 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: love for you to share with the audience, what's your 94 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: earliest memory of me make up? Maybe it is a 95 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: family member of like putting makeup on, or like the 96 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: first time you actually had a brush. 97 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: My earliest memory of makeup was my mom really, because 98 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: grew up with a single mom, always seeing her go 99 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: into the bathroom, I understood self care as a child 100 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: because she needed a moment for herself. Sometimes she'd liked 101 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: to take baths even though we had shower, or once 102 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: she was getting herself together to go somewhere or do whatever, 103 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: even though it was a quick routine, I just knew 104 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: that moment changed her. So even if it was a 105 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 2: ninety second face or whatever, I felt like she was 106 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: different when she came out. And so that was kind 107 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 2: of my first entry point into like the transformative power 108 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: of beauty or makeup. And I would say mascara was 109 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: her things. She was always a mascareco. She was a 110 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: beautiful it still is, but I always thought she was 111 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 2: just so beautiful. So this mascara, this black stuff she 112 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: used to put on her lashes would always make her 113 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: just a bit more like Diana Ross. But I would 114 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: say also the first time I picked up a makeup brush. 115 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: I went to school for art in art history since 116 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: I was six years old, and so the first time 117 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: I picked up a makeup brush was on accident. I 118 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: was in Atlanta, was going to school for a second there, 119 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: just for a very short time, and one of my 120 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: friends who was a model the makeup artist canceled on 121 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 2: her that day for her shoot. She was shooting a 122 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: catalog and she asked me could I paint her face 123 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: and do that kind of thing? And so I was like, 124 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: what do you mean, Like do you want me to dislike? 125 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: I have no idea this is a job career. Even 126 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: though I followed the supermodels a new fashion really well, 127 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: I didn't know that being a makeup artist was something 128 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: that was a trade. Even the photographer who loved it, 129 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: and he asked me to come back the next week 130 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: and do the same thing for like three hundred dollars 131 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty, I want to say, And at 132 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: the time, I'm like, you want to pay me again? 133 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, that was my first makeup memory. Of Oh 134 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: my god, this is fun and I can do this 135 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: and it's easy money. So I organically got into the business. 136 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were literally painting like her face was 137 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: your canvas. 138 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: Canvas canvas, and all faces are canvases. We're all storytellers, 139 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: whether you're a hairstylist, a makeup artist, an interior designer, 140 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: or DJ, We're all storytellers at the end of the day. 141 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: And so every time I go to work or start 142 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: to storyboard something for a client, I always start to 143 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: think about everything is a fresh canvas, and how can 144 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: we bring some secret sauce to that day, to that routine, 145 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: to that show, super Bowl, whatever that may be. 146 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: So, how would you say your relationship to makeup has 147 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: really changed and evolved throughout your career. 148 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: Wow, that's a really good question, Dank. What's while is 149 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: that I'm going to iHeartRadio soon. I'm just actually signing 150 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: a deal right now. 151 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: Well, welcome to the iHeart family. 152 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, come on, 153 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: doctor Joy. So yeah, I love those guys. And so 154 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: what's been really interesting is talking to a few people 155 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: about you can lose the magic. And when I say 156 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: lose the magic, There have been moments when I kind 157 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: of left makeup and win It's windows or doing the merchandise, 158 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: eating for Burdoff Goodman and Henry Bendall's in New York. 159 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: I was a mess merchandise Raguci for a while because 160 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: I was just like, Okay, well, let me just leave 161 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: this makeup thing alone and do something else that I'm 162 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: passionate about, which is home in interior. It followed me 163 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: in a bigger way, which is that time meeting Pat 164 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: McGrath's assistant and going to Europe and started working with 165 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: Charlotte Tewbury and the whole cascading. It's a fashion idea, 166 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: but I started to evolve and change when your love 167 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: of what you do can change when things like contracts, 168 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: licensing deals, agents get involved. So if you have any 169 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: friends who are in a creative space, whether they are dancers, singers, guitarists, 170 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: really talented people, their love of their art form, at 171 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: some point they have to find it again because you 172 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: may lose it. The brilliance or the beautiful nature of 173 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 2: what got you out of bed in the morning may 174 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: change when all of these other things they enter the 175 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: cipher or answer the fold. If you will so I 176 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: think the goal is too Like Aretha says, rock steady, 177 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: and how can I rock steady and still love what 178 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 2: I do or still love the art form? And I 179 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: think it's just more or less. How can I not change? 180 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: But how can I evolve as an artist? So I 181 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: think that as long as we honor the form of 182 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: how we are introduced to the business and try to 183 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 2: quiet the noise down, because it can be really noisy 184 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: at times, and you can lose yourself, You can lose 185 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: your sense of what's your why I came into this business. Also, 186 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: before Instagram, before social media, Twitter was like a baby, 187 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: I guess. So seeing all these things happen in the 188 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: era of YouTube and the TikTokers and the art of 189 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: influencers really starts to make us all redefined. What do 190 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: we love about it? And what do we have to 191 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 2: contribute if you. 192 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: Will, and what would you say has helped you to 193 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: kind of regain your love? At this point, you. 194 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: Don't need permission. You need a reminder at times to 195 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: be in your full self, to remember what your secret 196 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: sauce is. So like remembering what my secret sauce was 197 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: and what I love to do and what's so unique 198 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: about what I do when I get to work. It's 199 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: the thing that is my guide in life. I love inspiring. 200 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: We're healers in some way. We're always working on someone's 201 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: crown chakra. We've given so much to our clients, to 202 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: fashion directors, to beauty advisors, to the people, to the 203 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: masses in so many different ways, so you can actually 204 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: be drained. It can really drain you at some point 205 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: working as a professional hairstylist or makeup artist, even a star. 206 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: I look at Law recently, you know, I interviewed Law 207 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 2: for the Naked Beauty podcast, and you know he talks 208 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: about fatigue and what fatigue looks like when you're constantly 209 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: in service to someone or the people, And so I 210 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: had to think about what I love about the space 211 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: that I'm in. I've been so blessed to inspire so 212 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: many people coming behind me and continue to hold doors 213 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: open that were not even thought to be there. And 214 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: so I think that's the goal for me, is to 215 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: start to create avenues or ways to redefine the landscape 216 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: of what it means to be a makeup artist. 217 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing that, and you know, 218 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you talking about the burnout and like 219 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: the fatigue, because I think some people would look at 220 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: what you all do and it's like, it's so glamorous, 221 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: it's so fun, and but there's an incredible intimacy that 222 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: you are cultivating with your client. People talk about it 223 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: as defacto therapists a lot, right, Like, because you're very 224 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: intimate with your clients. What would you suggest in terms 225 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: of maybe newer or younger professionals in the space around 226 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: how to set boundaries on protecting their energy. 227 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: That's a really good question. Who So, I would love 228 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: to dive into what does a boundary mean? At first? Right? So, 229 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: a boundary what that looks like for younger creatives is 230 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: where does the line stop with what I am here 231 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: to give people? How much I should be available, how 232 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: much I should be of service. You can give of 233 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: yourself to clients until you're blue in the face, and 234 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: talent or companies they'll just take, take, take, and you'll 235 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: never know when Hey, this is the line that I 236 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 2: have for myself. And I think the more mature we 237 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 2: become in our careers, the more we have an idea 238 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: of hey, I can only show up in this way. 239 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: That's what a boundary you can look like I can 240 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 2: only show up if I have this much support from 241 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: you guys taking care of an assistant or making sure 242 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: that my assistant comes there in our early in preps 243 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: so my day is easier. A boundary might be the 244 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: way you travel, or how you want to fly, or 245 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: how you need to fly so you're actually able to 246 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: give your best self when you get to work. So 247 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: I think boundaries can come in many different directions, but 248 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: I think it comes into what will allow me to 249 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: feel more whole when I show up. Maybe that's hey, 250 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: I can't work more than a twelve hour day. Maybe 251 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: it's like I have children now and I have to 252 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: honor the fact that I need a break every six 253 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: hours for thirty minutes to check in on my new 254 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: born baby in terms of a FaceTime, whatever those things 255 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: may be. There might be incremental little moments throughout your 256 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: day or your routine, but you'll know. And also, boundaries 257 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: look like I would say, they come in the form 258 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: of at this big grown age of mine, we have teams, 259 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: we have people a that we have to pay and 260 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: take care of. We take care of villages if you will, 261 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: and all the big makeup artists I know all the 262 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: big stylists, the ones who are known by first names only, 263 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: they employ a lot of people and that inspire a 264 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: lot of people at the same time. But who's taking 265 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: care of these guys? And so I look to the 266 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: agents or a manager to really understand what it's like 267 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: to take care of talent. And I'm gonna keep it real. 268 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: I'm Gonnakeep. I don't say this often, but even though 269 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: we are not like the big movie stars, if you will, 270 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: we're not boxed office hits, but we're often on huge 271 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: agencies with talent, or we're up against basketball players and 272 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: movie stars. But we're still talent at the end of 273 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: the day, and we need to be protected. So I 274 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: think that as I'm talking to my peers right now, 275 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: as long as you guys have breath in your bodies, 276 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: it's our job to campaign for not just ourselves, but 277 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: what it looks like to advocate for yourself in the 278 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 2: most diplomatic way possible. As I talk to a lot 279 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: of younger creatives who happen to be black bipoc too, 280 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: that whole BIPODC thing, we're gon we're gonna shlve that 281 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: for a little while right now, we're back to that 282 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: capital b okay. And I always tell them you have 283 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: to advocate for yourself. You don't have to assimilate to 284 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: any culture. You can still be in your full self. 285 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: I love my blackness, but your ideas have to translate well. 286 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: And so when I say translate well, it's like knowing 287 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 2: how to go into a room or a large set 288 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: in front of people who might be really intimidating to 289 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: you guys you might have seen their careers when you 290 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: were younger, or figure out how can I go in 291 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: and advocate for myself in a way that honors the 292 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: thing that we need to make this job happen. But 293 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: I don't know how to talk to these people who 294 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: I respect so much. And I think the goal is 295 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 2: this is the takeaway is like what can you do 296 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: in this conversation to make sure that we can all 297 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: have a win here? So what does a win look like? 298 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: A win looks like the person who I came with today, 299 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: she needs better lighting. It's only going to be not 300 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: just about for me, but the client isn't going to 301 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: be happy. Maybe this won't be actually really great for 302 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: the fashion director or when you bring this back to 303 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: the magazine, so can you help me figure out what 304 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: does a win look like for us right now in 305 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: this conversation and let's reverse engineer and work our way backward. 306 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, herened. You really drop some gems in some 307 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: things for people to write down in their notebook there, 308 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: so I really appreciate it. More from our conversation after 309 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: the break, but first a quick snippet of what's coming 310 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: up next week on TVG. 311 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 3: And I think we've also got to engage a fear 312 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: of being seen. I think that's a big piece to it. 313 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: I know you probably see this also in the community 314 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 3: to cultivate, like you know, everybody, I don't want nobody 315 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: in my business. Everybody got to be in all your business. 316 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: But sometimes in this culture of Instagram perfectionism, we're trying 317 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: to always reject this image that it's not real. We're 318 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: trying to like hide behind image. And if that image 319 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: becomes a prison where we cannot connect authithically with people 320 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: care about We're so afraid of people seeing our blemishes 321 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: and our flaws and that the reality is those things 322 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: make us beautiful. But in order for people to really 323 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: care for us, wet lean into the fear of being 324 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: cared for and the fear of being seen, which a 325 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: lot of us have, right, You know, we got the 326 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: nice pictures up, but who am I really? I think 327 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: as the big pieces I think about. 328 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: You know, I love this story that you share at 329 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: the beginning about your mom and being in the bathroom 330 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: putting on her mass scare because I think that that 331 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: is what makeup is for a lot of us, right. 332 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: It is like a confidence inducing kind of moments to 333 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: really lean into parts of our identity that maybe we 334 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: aren't always so comfortable sharing. Can you talk a little 335 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: bit about the role that makeup has and like helping 336 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: to improve our confidence? 337 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely? I always talk about how beauty is are feeling. 338 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: I always taught what beauty is supposed to like throwing 339 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: up under this impossible idea of what beautiful is, you know, 340 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: looking at the supers. I was obsessed with naom Me Campbell. 341 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: She actually ended up being my first client as well. 342 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: Or all of these beautiful people, the Hailey Beerrys. Remember 343 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: the campaigns back in the nineties, the hair boxes, all 344 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: those things of what it's supposed to be like, and 345 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: there weren't really so many different ways of seeing beauty 346 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: that was diverse, that looked like us, that felt like us. 347 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: So I always say that beauty is a feeling, because yes, 348 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: it's something you can see, but how does it make 349 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: you feel when you see that something that's beautiful or 350 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: someone that's beautiful. I'm more concerned about from a takeaway 351 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: perspective or a mental health perspective, what does it leave 352 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: on you? Does it leave a good impression, does it 353 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: leave you inspired? And so beauty should move the needle 354 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: for us. When we see a beautiful garden, you know, 355 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: when we look at, you know, a really gorgeous home, 356 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: and so taking beauty out of the context of people, 357 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: we look at environments or anything that provokes you to 358 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: feel something emotionally, it is a feeling. So I always 359 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: talk about, yes, it's great to look great, it's great 360 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: to get adult hair cut, it's beautiful to have nice 361 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: new outfit, But if it doesn't make you feel better inside, 362 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: then it's just a mass it's just a band aid. 363 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: It's temporary. Like I was saying earlier, hopefully if you're 364 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 2: doing the temperature check within yourself, checking in or how 365 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: do I feel what's coming up for me? How do 366 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: these people make me feel? How do these spaces allow 367 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 2: me to feel Do I feel home? Do I feel present? 368 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: I think that's more of the goal when it comes 369 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: to beauty than anything that happens to be a visual 370 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: or aesthetic. 371 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: So how cool is it that you have something on 372 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: your vision board or you talked about, like looking up 373 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: to somebody like Naomi Campbell, and then she becomes your 374 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: first client. What do you feel like you learned in 375 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: working with her? 376 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: If I have one thing one superpower is that I'm 377 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: a really good manifestor, and I know, for good or bad, 378 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: if I think about something that's not too good, it's 379 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: going to show up too. But that goes back to 380 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 2: this old saying of whatever you give emotional attention to 381 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: is your reality. If you always talk about your secd broke, 382 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: you're going to always be sick and broke, But if 383 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: you actually talk and know it's coming. I knew I 384 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: would see her, but I just didn't know how. And 385 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: so I remember I was in Milan at the DG 386 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: show and Pat tapped me on the back and asked 387 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: me to pack up. So I was like, oh, damn, Well, 388 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: maybe I put too much foundation on someone or I 389 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 2: don't know what I did wrong. And she's like, no, 390 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: I need you to go to the Bugari Hotel for 391 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: nail me. And I was like, oh man, okay. So 392 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 2: I was like, all right, cool, and I did and 393 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 2: it was easy, and we started working together for a 394 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: while a while, and I still see her and I 395 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: think she's just an amazing fortified soul in our business, 396 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. And it's like the absolute 397 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: picture of what it looks like to be black and great. 398 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: When you have a manifesting win and this is the 399 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: homework for a lot of people who are watching it, 400 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: and you could be at any part of the game, 401 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: it's always a refresher of like as long as you're alive, 402 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: have a manifesting exercise, like can I pull something forward? 403 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 2: Can I pull this parking space forward a little bit 404 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: by just visualizing me parking this car? And so I 405 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 2: do that often as an exercise to see, hey, do 406 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: I have a shortcut with source? Energy? Source with source? 407 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: And so that's what it looks like. And as a creative, 408 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 2: when we're storyboarding for big projects, Grammys or campaigns, all 409 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 2: we are doing is manifesting ideas. We're starting to visualize 410 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: a world that we want our clients to live in. 411 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: When I storyboard and pull these images together or this 412 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: is what it could look like, guys, and I do 413 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: a pitch to a company, all it is is me 414 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: having an idea or creating a world that I want 415 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: to bring people closer to, or that I can imagine 416 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: on someone or this car company or this magazine. I 417 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 2: think the goal is to continue to have great imagination. 418 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: I think imagination is key, and then after imagination is faith. 419 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: So you talked a little bit about this, but what 420 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: do you really see as the connection between mental health 421 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: and makeup. 422 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 2: I always tell people that when you buy a handbag, 423 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: it doesn't cover a childhood'scar. You know, when you buy 424 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: a jacket, it doesn't reaffirm what you love about the 425 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: hair you were told not to love. So when I 426 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: think about beauty, it's so emotional because it starts to 427 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: go back into the archives or who we were, how 428 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: we want to see ourselves, and who we know ourselves 429 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: to be and who we can be. It's a little 430 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: bit of past, present, and future all in one. Idea 431 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 2: soothing something from the past, and it doesn't have to 432 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: be always an insecure It could be something that you love. 433 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: And then what does this look like for me right now. 434 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 2: And then also the fun part about it is, yo, 435 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 2: I might pull a dude later with this lip, you 436 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 2: know what I mean? Or with these lashes, I might 437 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: be able to like battlement, get fluid out. I don't know, 438 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: but I think that what's beautiful about beauty When I 439 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: say beauty, makeup, hair, nails, Listen, you can be eight 440 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: or eighty eight. It's so inclusive. It's the original inclusive area. 441 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: Fashion hasn't always been so inclusive to us. Even though 442 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: we make style, we make our own style. So I 443 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: love what it does for confidence. And you could be 444 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 2: naked in the mirror getting ready and put it on 445 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: T shirt and jeans and love the way that your 446 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: hair is done. I love the way your hair is. 447 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 2: We start this conversation around your hair and that doesn't 448 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: need anything else except you. So that's what I love 449 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 2: from a mental health standpoint. Doesn't move the needle. I 450 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 2: was talking to a few people, oh a lot of 451 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: people actually, especially men. I don't bulleting beauty. That's crazy 452 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 2: for you to say that. Okay, cool, but if you 453 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: go get a shave, when you go to the barber, 454 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: how do you feel when you leave the barb. When 455 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: you spray on fragrance, that brute, whatever you spray on, 456 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: how does it make you feel even if no one 457 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: else is looking watching? Does it move the needle for you? 458 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: Does it put a pap in your step? And if 459 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 2: it does, you're affected by beauty? Can I ask you 460 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: a question? 461 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 462 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: Good, so, doctor Joy, do you find that beauty is 463 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: healing in any way? 464 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? I love what you just said. I'm like, Wow, 465 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: this sounds very therapeutic, right, because you're right, it can 466 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: cover scars, but it also can enhance the things that 467 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: we love about ourselves. And I do think that there 468 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: is something very grounding about just the ritual of beauty, right, 469 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: Like it can help to kind of start your day. 470 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: It can really help you get situated in time and please, So, 471 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: I think that there are lots of healing properties of 472 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: beauty for sure. 473 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: You know what's wild is I work with Beam so 474 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: Black emotional and mental health and so one thing I 475 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: love about Beam is that they go into barbershops. What's 476 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 2: the first point of healing for our community salons? And 477 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: they actually train and certify barbers and now artists a 478 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: hairstylist on what is it like to sue or give 479 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: tools to your community when they start to unpack, because 480 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 2: a lot of us still believe in only the church 481 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 2: and no therapy, even though that's a whole other conversation. 482 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: But I love that there's a beautiful entry point, and 483 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: let's go exactly to where that entry point is. So 484 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: I'm always a huge fan, and I'll do anything that 485 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: being asking me to do. 486 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. So you mentioned earlier, 487 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: just like how your career has had such a longevity, 488 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: you started before all of the Instagram, TikTok all the things, 489 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 1: and I do think that has impacted our idea of 490 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: beauty right, Like a lot of us are looking at 491 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: tutorials and like we want to look like this person. 492 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: How would you suggest people kind of redefine beauty for 493 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: themselves without being influenced by all the things we can 494 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: see on our phones. 495 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 2: Follow people who don't make you feel good about yourself, 496 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: and that's in all different directions. If you follow an 497 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: account that makes you feel like, you know what, Damn, 498 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: I just don't have it together. I might like the 499 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: way that this person has a place setting for all 500 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: their guests every week, but it's just an impossible level 501 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: of perfection, can't live up to and follow that person. 502 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: Whatever's easier for you to align with, and it's soothing, 503 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: that's the goal. You should follow soothing accounts. But I 504 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 2: would say that at the end of the day, it's like, 505 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 2: what do you have that you want to bring to 506 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: the world, and then let's work backward. I think that 507 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 2: we are in a space where it's really difficult to 508 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 2: keep up with algorithms. It's difficult to keep up with 509 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: an idea of what's trending or our peers. And I 510 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: don't believe in competition. I believe that we all should 511 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: be winning and we shouldn't look to the left or 512 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: to the right. So for everyone who's listening, I think 513 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: that my little secret formula is I stay in my 514 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: own lane. I try to be as ignorant to everything 515 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: else that's happening as possible, and then when I come in, 516 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 2: I don't have the worry or the anxiety on how 517 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: to show up because I don't know what everybody else 518 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: is doing. And so I think that's really important to us. 519 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: One thing I want to say to black creators is 520 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 2: that black creators, we are the original influencers. I didn't 521 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: make this up IRMANI set this the other day from 522 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: culture con We are the original influencers, and I think 523 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: the goal is to train our teams and people who 524 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: need to monetize those things just what our impact is. 525 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 2: But don't ever doubt your impact in any room, in 526 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: any table, in a conversation. And you have also nothing 527 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: to prove. So I think the goal is how can 528 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: you show up as your organic self? But as your 529 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,239 Speaker 2: organic self? My challenge to you would be is what 530 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: does your organic self look like twelve months from now? 531 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: Twenty four months from now? Set a critical path. I 532 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: want to say, a critical path. Every business, every brand founder, 533 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: they have for the next twenty four months. This is 534 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: my goal. We're going to release that in twenty four 535 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 2: months or this whatever, and then they work backward. So 536 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 2: who do you see yourself as or want to be 537 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: in two years? And then if you have to look 538 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 2: at incremental quarterly check marks of what do you do 539 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: to get there? Who are you every six months? If 540 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 2: that makes any sense, that is how you can engineer 541 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: your life in a really organic way. 542 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: I love that. That feels like a perfect segue for 543 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: my next question because the conversation we're having today is 544 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: a part of our January Jumpstart series. So you know, 545 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: one of the goals sometimes people have at the beginning 546 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: of the years, like I want to get better at 547 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: like doing my makeup. And so I love that you 548 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: have shared that because I think that that can be 549 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: a way to kind of forecast like, Okay, in a year, 550 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: this is what I want to have achieved with makeup. 551 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: But before we get to makeup, I think we have 552 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: to talk about skincare. So it's not like the role 553 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: that skincare has even in good makeup policemen. 554 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, skin is the brick and mortar of any routine. 555 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: It's the basis, it's the foundation, it's the ground zero 556 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: because good skin is scaffolding. And so what is your 557 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: relationship like to your skincare? And so when I say that, 558 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be really complicated. You don't have 559 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: to use tons of things that are going to trip 560 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 2: your skin. But also there's so many black founders who 561 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 2: have found ways. For example, there's one called brown Kind 562 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: right now. Brown Kind addresses uneven pigmentation. I love. There 563 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 2: is a company called Caramel Secret Tone, and it's a 564 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: little bit on the more lux of the line, but 565 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 2: it's all stem cell BioResearch because we're biology, we're not botanical. 566 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 2: And so I'm thinking about ways that you can protect 567 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: your melanin as Also, we need to use an SPF. 568 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: Black don't crack, guys, but it can sag. Okay, I'm 569 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: gonna say it again. Black don't crack, but it can sag. 570 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: And so how am I creating a barrier to make 571 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: sure that everything I have underneath doesn't oxidize. We think about, oh, 572 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: I don't need an SPF because I have melanin, I'm black, 573 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: or whatever, this and that. But you're using a chemical moisturizer, 574 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: You're using something with a slight retinal or maybe a 575 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 2: glycolic in your toner and not realizing those things are 576 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: going to ravage your skin under the sun. Maybe even 577 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: your foundation might have too much of an active ingredient 578 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: that you need to counteract. So I do say, let's 579 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: protect your skin with some factor, if you will. But 580 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: to that point, yes, skincare is really important. And then 581 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 2: also looking at your diet, what are you eating? From 582 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: a holistic standpoint, we are the original wellness agriculture came 583 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: from US Indigenous people, Bipop people, black people. We have 584 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: to think about our relationship to source, to the earth. 585 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: We've always been here, but now it has new names. 586 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: So are you juicing? Do you have things in refrigerator 587 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: like kale? Kale has six hundred and fifty percent envitamin K, 588 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 2: so it speeds up any sluggish circulation. When you look 589 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: in the mirror, if you see dark circles most of 590 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: the time, it's slugg a circulation. Beats. I don't like 591 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 2: to eat beats, so I take dried beats and I 592 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 2: just don't make some water and just chug it. Don't 593 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: even know I'm tasting. Listen, if you could drink whiskey, 594 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: you can drink a green juice, you know what I mean. 595 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: And it really repairs in my skin. It makes sure 596 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: that oxidizes and cleanses my blood from anything, you know, 597 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 2: if I had too much fun that week. So there's 598 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 2: so many things that you can take that will impact 599 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: your overall complexion as a whole before you even get 600 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 2: to a foundation. 601 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: Got it? So, can you give us a couple of 602 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: steps of what we can have in our makeup routine, 603 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: especially for beginners, Like what are some steps we should 604 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: be following? 605 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 2: So for beginners, complexion is key so having a beautiful complexion, 606 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: and I would say a complexion looks like making sure 607 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 2: you have a really great toner after you invest it 608 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: in something that's going to even out any uneven pigmentation. 609 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit of a lactic acid moisturizer. Those 610 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 2: are the things that will really smooth your skin, and 611 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: then you'll use less foundation. Maybe a tinted moisturizer is 612 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: really key, Maybe a light version of foundation. I like 613 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: to use agg sponge or a wet beauty blender shutout 614 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: to rehand from beauty blender. Love fer. I'll wet it, 615 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 2: I'll squeeze it out, and I'll take foundation on the 616 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: back of my hand, whether it's a liquid or a cream, 617 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 2: and I'll start to stiple it in areas that a 618 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 2: knee coverage and dialing it down where you don't. So 619 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: dial up the coverage where you do need it, and 620 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 2: really give yourself like a barely their makeup where you don't, 621 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 2: but you want to invest in the right tone of 622 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 2: complexion or make sure that you're shape matching, so you 623 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 2: can really do that effectively. I love a liquid and 624 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: I also love a cream, but the way I approach 625 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: makeup is always from an editorial standpoint, like magazines, so 626 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: it has to look like it's barely there or not 627 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: there at all. For me, I obsess over that part. 628 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 2: And then once you have complexion down in a good concealer, 629 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: concealer is bombed. Sometimes I'll skip foundations and I'll just 630 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: go straight to concealers to travel with because they're easier 631 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: for me. I can mix them with a moisturizer and 632 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: make them to a buttery tent instead of like such 633 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: a heavy look brows, look at the hair on your face. 634 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: Your brows and your lashes are really important because they 635 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: make you expressive. Whenever you see pictures of yourself when 636 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: you're a baby or younger, we always have these full brows, 637 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: full lashes, and it creates so much emotion when we 638 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: were talking or in pictures, and so dialing back into 639 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: that space of giving yourself really beautiful brows, really gorgeous lashes, 640 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: taking down lashes that look too crazy. Everybody knows. I 641 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: used to work in a strip club in Queen's shout 642 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 2: out to Astoria thirty fifth and Steinway rivieras Hey girls, 643 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: but leader stripper lashes for the PM or whatever have 644 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: a different wardrobe of lashes for different outfits. For a 645 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: daytime when you're wanting to be a bit more sophisticated 646 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: and elegant, A heavy lash, a chunky lash just is 647 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: too much contrast for the look or the idea that 648 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 2: you want people to take away. From an editorial perspective, 649 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: I feel like, when you're having fun and you want 650 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: to party, go for more lash, guys, But other than that, 651 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: please dial them back that way. My only makeup foot, 652 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: Paul is let's take it back on the lashes. Just 653 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 2: a hair a hair, it's gotten out, it's gotten out 654 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: of control. It's gotten out a control. 655 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: More from our conversation after the break, you kind of 656 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: alluded to this, but can you talk about undertones because 657 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: I feel like this is the thing that kind of 658 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: gets people tripped up. What are undertones? And like how 659 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: do we use that to know like our sheep? 660 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: So you have to think of am I olive? Or 661 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: am I really warm? Under your complexion? And that doesn't 662 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 2: have anything to do with when you're laughing and you're 663 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: blush or you turn red, but knowing your undertone and 664 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: I think the biggest challenge is to go on the 665 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: search for not just a foundation color, but texture at 666 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 2: your house and your make a wardrobe wherever you are. 667 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: You should have a wardrobe of complexion. So I would 668 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: love for people to think about, not only do I 669 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: want something in my complexion that's matt, Maybe I want 670 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 2: to be matt in the T zone and glowy everywhere 671 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: else because I have combination skin for me. Maybe we 672 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: want to be luminous in the winter so your skin 673 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: can look breathable and sexy. Maybe in the summer you 674 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 2: need a bit more control of the oil. So having 675 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: your color but multi textures is going to be the 676 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: next level of how to shop for foundations. And it's 677 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 2: easier now than ever. You go to Sophora, Alta anywhere 678 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: that has a library of colors, don't just look at 679 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: the color, look at the texture. But I'm going to 680 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 2: leave it up to everyone to start to lean into 681 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: their undertone because it's so personal. Some people love to 682 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: be warmer to cancel out how alive they are, and 683 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: I've seen that as well, So I don't want to 684 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 2: assign or be prescriptive to one undertone. But I'm going 685 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: to tell you texture and having multi textures is going 686 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: to be the name of the game. You'll thank me 687 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 2: for it later, trust me. 688 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: So when you say different coverages and different textures, that 689 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: sounds like maybe different lines. 690 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. So if I went to one 691 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: of my homegirls' houses or my sister's house, they're invest 692 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: in about three to four different foundations. So maybe one 693 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: is a stick that gives you fuller coverage, right, maybe 694 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: it's an HD stick. And then one is a liquid 695 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: that is medium coverage, but it is a sheer dewey 696 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 2: that you might need to set with a powder. And 697 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: then maybe one happens to be very very sheer, like 698 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: a tentate moisturizer, but it gives you a veil of protection, 699 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: maybe has a little bit of sunscreen side of it. 700 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: And then also you have a thicker, fuller coverage concealer 701 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: to give wherever you need to spackle something, you know. 702 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: So I think having an array or an army of 703 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 2: the same color possibly but different textures is going to 704 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: give you like this new idea of how to look 705 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: at your face and strategically highlight, strategically glow, strategically be 706 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: matt in certain areas, almost like a makeup artist would do. 707 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: And that's before you start sculpting or anything like that, And. 708 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: Is sculpting a must have kind of thing or is 709 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: that like an advanced skill? 710 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: Sculpting is the evolution of contouring, right, And you don't 711 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: have this contour like Sam Fine or anything like that. 712 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 2: But I will say it's having a deeper foundation. Maybe 713 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: it's your summer foundation stick, you know, the one that 714 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: you use in August, you're using in January to just 715 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: buff in the temples of your forehead and under your 716 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: cheeks and under the jaw line. You want to create 717 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 2: a little bit of dimension. It's almost like taking a brush, 718 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: a blush brush, and create where would the sun hit 719 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: my face right now? And so that little bit of 720 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: dimension takes away this flat finish that you never want 721 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: after you apply your foundation. After you apply your foundation, 722 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: your face may be too flat and you want to 723 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: make it three dimensional again. 724 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: So what role does blush have in the overall makeup 725 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: litp Oh my god. 726 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: Love blush. It's my favorite product. Blush is my favorite. 727 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: Really is there such a thing as too much blush? 728 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 2: There's such things too much blush? I will say, But 729 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: you know what it's all about how you place it. 730 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 2: I like to use cream blushes and then I'll set 731 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 2: them with a loose powder. I would like to use 732 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: cream blushes, and I'll set them with a powder blush. 733 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: And older women, mature women, the women I'm talking about, 734 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: the golden girls. Old ladies know the power of blush 735 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: because it makes you look healthy again. If you don't 736 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: have anything else except a tinted moisturizer on right, and 737 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 2: clear lip glass or clear gloss. I said lip glass, 738 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 2: I brought it back right. You break out some blush, 739 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: Just break out a little blush. Especially women of color, 740 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 2: you can handle more color on the cheeks and then 741 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 2: the forehead. Don't be afraid to hit the forehead with 742 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: a little blush, a little bit on the high planes, 743 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 2: cheek bones, a little bit chin hit some in your 744 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 2: cupid's bow, this clavigal area. Sorry, you're a decolotage. It 745 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 2: makes it look like you just had sex. Like if 746 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: you see a little rush of heat right here, heat 747 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 2: on the chest translates to I just had sex. Guys, 748 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 2: you heard it here, you heard it here first. So 749 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 2: I think that blush is one of the best things 750 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: that have when in a hurry. It just makes you 751 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 2: look rich and healthy and alive. 752 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: M So, can you confirm for us. Do makeup products 753 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: really expire? 754 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: Like? 755 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: How long can we actually keep my makeup? 756 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: I'm the wrong person that ask as I've had some 757 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 2: shadows since the nineties and I'm not gonna let them 758 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 2: go because they could discontinue. And when things are a 759 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 2: powder form, you can keep them a lot longer. Any 760 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 2: pressed form of powder is not at risk of giving 761 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: you germs the way a mascara will, which only has 762 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: a ninety day they say ninety days. I keep mine 763 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 2: for about five months, So mascara, keep the mascara for 764 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: not too long a half a year max. Because you'll 765 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 2: acquire germs in your own mascara, even if it's only 766 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 2: you wearing it every day. Anything that to moisturizing, maybe 767 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 2: a lipstick might develop some kind of weird stuff over 768 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 2: a couple of years. I'm not going to tell you 769 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 2: guys on that one because I cheat. 770 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: So what suggestions would you give to people for how 771 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: to not be afraid to make mistakes? Right? Like when 772 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: we are first learning how to do makeup, we might 773 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: do too much, do too much blush or whatever. How 774 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: would you suggest people kind of let go of the 775 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: fear of kind of getting it wrong to just start practicing. 776 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 2: I think the goal is to do one thing at 777 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 2: a time. Really well, no one's a beginner anymore. No 778 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 2: one's a beginner anymore. It's too much education TikTok. There's 779 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 2: too many tutorials entertaining ones too. Like I started watching 780 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: Jackie i Aina back in the day and I was like, 781 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: it's entertaining now to watch and do this along with yourself. 782 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 2: So I would say, start to figure out your face. 783 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 2: If you have an idea how to apply or what 784 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 2: to apply, figure out on my face. I want to 785 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 2: go higher here. I want to create a bit more 786 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 2: structure here. So knowing your face is the level of 787 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: artistry that we're going into next, not just how to 788 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 2: apply it. Also keeping wet foundation sponge, keeping that nearby, 789 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: so if you feel like you play something too heavy, 790 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 2: just go back in and touch it. Go back in 791 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 2: and it's happened somewhere and you'll be in a really 792 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 2: good place. The last hack I have Beyonce does this, 793 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 2: My sister does this, and I didn't even realize they 794 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 2: both do this all the time, is that after you 795 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 2: get your makeup done one day, or if you feel 796 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 2: like you did your makeup and it's a little too 797 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 2: stiff or you know, hit that shower, but with the 798 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 2: door open it will look so organic and then you're like, oh, okay, 799 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 2: I can do this. So if you ever feel win 800 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 2: in doubt, don't be afraid to take a shower, but 801 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 2: don't let any of that water hit your face. That's 802 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 2: a whole different heroin chic look that I don't think 803 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 2: you guys are going for. 804 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: I don't so what hecks do you have for us 805 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 1: on picking lipsticks? 806 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 2: So A coined the phrase. It's called dopamine glam right, 807 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 2: And I'll give you a little quick history here. So 808 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 2: when I look at the late seventies, the anarchy, the 809 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 2: rebel that was coming out of London, the punk hair. 810 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 2: You remember when you can get stiffer in the rock. 811 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 2: That anarchy was fashion's reaction to what happening in society. 812 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: So it was a push against the machine. Rebel, rebel, rebel. 813 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 2: The music was a conveyor of it. And then if 814 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: we go a bit ten years later, if we go 815 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 2: to the nineties, I look at the goth era and 816 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: it was the anti fashion, anti glamour. Everyone wanted to 817 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 2: dress down. You know, the country was going through recession. 818 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 2: We were in a war during the Second Bush Era, 819 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 2: and so the fashion's reaction to that era was let's 820 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 2: be anti glamorous, anti anything. Kurt Cobain, Kate Moss was huge. 821 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 2: It was about grunge. Grunge was the name of the day. 822 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 2: And so now we think about fashion's reaction. Fashion's reaction 823 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 2: right now, I believe is how do I make myself 824 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: feel something better? There's so much happening right now, and 825 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 2: I think from a mental health standpoint, I don't think 826 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 2: we've ever had our nerves tried in this way, and 827 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 2: so it's so individual now. It's not about dressing for 828 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: someone else. It's not dressing up for your girlfriends or 829 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 2: to get a man. It's about what am I going 830 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 2: to do to make myself feel happy. So to answer 831 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 2: your question about the lipstick choices, I believe that that 832 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 2: is a choice I would never want to take away 833 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 2: from anyone. Right now, go and find something that makes 834 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 2: you feel like. It doesn't matter if it's popular right now. 835 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 2: It could be like a shiny, frosty lipstick from ninety four, 836 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 2: okay with brown line or chestnut brown line. If it 837 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 2: makes you feel great, rocket own it, do it. And 838 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 2: I don't want to assign a trend. I'm anti trend. 839 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 2: I've just never really been a guy who is about trends. 840 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 2: And I'm also anti celebrity. I don't think you guys 841 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 2: should look to runways or red carpet or anybody else 842 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 2: for how you should look or feel. You should only 843 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 2: look in the mirror on what's going to make you 844 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 2: feel or give yourself a pep in your step. 845 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: Love that, love that. So where do you look for inspiration? 846 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 2: I look for inspiration in so many different areas. I 847 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 2: love home, I love interiors. I'm obsessed with home interiors 848 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 2: and environments and moving things around. I was a guest 849 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 2: host on the Naked Beauty podcast shout out to Brook 850 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,399 Speaker 2: de Vart, and I was obsessed with building a set 851 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 2: for every guest. I do this at home. It's my 852 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 2: happy place. My happy place are creating rooms, creating a 853 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 2: world for my guests or for the people. That's what 854 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 2: I love to do. I love to feed people and 855 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 2: cook like I saw the Martha Stewart documentary the other day, 856 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 2: and you guys should watch it. Man, It's so deep, 857 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 2: it's so good, and that's kind of me. I love 858 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 2: creating a world and not just to please people. I 859 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 2: want to share my world with everyone else, and so 860 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 2: that is what gives me inspiration. In general, I'm not 861 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 2: really inspired by fashion or beauty. I'm an art school 862 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 2: with it. I also go to museums. I'm more inspired 863 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 2: by things I can bring back to a conversation from 864 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 2: the moment, or going to see an exhibit at the 865 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 2: Met or the Google Hunt, the Lachma, and so when 866 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 2: I've been in rooms with talent celebrity and the biggest 867 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 2: of the biggest photographers and directors, what I can do 868 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 2: is I can always go back on my art history 869 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 2: references and pull something forward. And so that makes yourself 870 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 2: a destination of creativity. You'll feel comfortable having something to say. 871 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 2: So don't look at other makeup artists and beauty professionals. 872 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 2: Always go back two hundred years. Go get inspired by 873 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 2: something that no longer exists. I love what's happening with 874 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,240 Speaker 2: the Met Gala, the dandy black tailoring. I'm so inspired 875 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 2: by the era because that's how I dress now. I 876 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 2: love suits, I love tailoring. So just get inspired by 877 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 2: everything else that has nothing to do with the space 878 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 2: you're right now. 879 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: Okay, so you mentioned cooking for your guests. I gotta 880 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: know what your go to ish all bad. 881 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 2: I make seven cheese mac and cheese baked a few 882 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 2: times on the top. It's an art form for me, 883 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 2: like I actually lose myself. I'm not even there. I 884 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 2: check out a little bit. I'll have a souv too, 885 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 2: So I suv ribs for like twelve hours, thirteen hours, 886 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: fuse in the bag with all these different things. Sometimes 887 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 2: I'll do a jerk one or I'll do like a 888 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 2: pesto one. And then once you take these ribs out 889 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 2: of the bag after twelve hours of like searing, and 890 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 2: then you throw them on hot grill for like five 891 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 2: you put them in a big thing some forks, and 892 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 2: then let people go to town. You know I love food. Yeah, yeah, 893 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 2: I love food. I love food. 894 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: I love it. So as we close, what affirmations would 895 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: you offer to people who maybe are feeling a little 896 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,439 Speaker 1: unsure about makeup or I feel like they can't quite 897 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: get it right. What affirmations would you offer? 898 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 2: I would say the affirmations I have right now is 899 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 2: to lean into things that make you feel whole. It's 900 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 2: a personal things. When you're in the car, sometimes turn 901 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,919 Speaker 2: off the radio. Don't always listen to music. Sometimes when 902 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,959 Speaker 2: I am quiet or steal, as my grandmother used to say, 903 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 2: more will come to me. So be still for a 904 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 2: second and start to figure out who do I want 905 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 2: to be in this moment? Who do I know myself 906 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 2: to be right now? And also when I know who 907 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 2: I am right now, what can I do to decorate that? 908 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 2: What can I do to magnify it, to bring that 909 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 2: to a higher level? And I think that's the goal. 910 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 2: So knowing who you are and just throwing some dice 911 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 2: on it, adding a little something through it is really 912 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 2: where we should all be. 913 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: So where can we stay connected with you? Sir John? 914 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,240 Speaker 1: What is your website? As well as any social media 915 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,280 Speaker 1: challenge you like to share? 916 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 2: I'm sir John, that's my real name since I was 917 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 2: born across the all platforms. And then also go back 918 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 2: and take a look at a couple of the Naked 919 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 2: Beauty podcasts. The Naked Beauty podcast Broke Devart, the one 920 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,439 Speaker 2: with Law, the one with jackiey in it talks about 921 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 2: makeup so much like in a beautiful way, she unpacked 922 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 2: so much. Didavantis was such a great guest and we 923 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 2: talk about inspiration. So a lot of what we talked 924 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 2: about here you can see in some of the things 925 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 2: we and Ms Tina came on too, So yeah, that's it. 926 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 2: And also, doctor Joy, I'm proud of you because I 927 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 2: love what you're doing, but also I love the perspective. 928 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 2: You're creating a filter or a lens for us to 929 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 2: not just see ourselves, but to fill ourselves. And that 930 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 2: is so amazing, especially right now, especially right now. 931 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Sir John. I really appreciate it. 932 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm so glad Sir John was able to join me 933 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: for this conversation. 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