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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the stacks, DJ, Buck

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Speaker 1: with you Buck? What is going on?

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Speaker 2: Man? Not too much? DJ.

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Speaker 3: After a very eventful Miami Pro Day, which was great

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Speaker 3: because there are a lot of people that obviously had

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Speaker 3: a chance to see us kind of talk about Kim

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Speaker 3: Ward and all things to you, I had a chance to,

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Speaker 3: you know, dig a little deeper in some notes. I

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Speaker 3: had a chance to scribble some stuff for Mock Draft

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Speaker 3: Live because Mock Draft Live comes on tonight night. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: So just getting excited for all the things that are

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Speaker 3: all the things during the month leading up to the draft.

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Speaker 1: So I've cheated. I've given some teasers on Move the

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Speaker 1: Sticks about a mock draft that had not yet been released.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you need to give us a little something,

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Speaker 1: but I mean I think a little teaser.

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Speaker 2: Is let's see a little teaser.

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Speaker 3: So two quarterbacks in the top five, three running backs

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Speaker 3: in the class in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Two of those running backs in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, uh huh.

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Speaker 3: Based on conversation that you and I've had maybe about

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Speaker 3: a certain team sitting at number ten, the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 2: And then.

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Speaker 3: A whole slew of defensive front line people going in

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Speaker 2: Only two white House. Only had two white House in

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Speaker 2: the first round.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad you brought off the whiteout thing because

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Speaker 1: that's a topic I'm going to get to here in

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Speaker 1: just a little bit, because i want to have a

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Speaker 1: conversation about what we expect in terms of some of

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Speaker 1: the numbers at these positions in the first round. So

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that in just a minute. But right

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Speaker 1: now it's time for the lead block, presented by T

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Speaker 1: Mobile for Business. Football needs a network willing to go

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Speaker 1: the extra yards. So do you go further with T

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Speaker 1: Mobile for Business. You mentioned the cam word pro day. Buck,

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Speaker 1: Let's start there. I am. I will say this about

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Speaker 1: Pro Days. This I'm trying to say this without crushing Prodace.

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Speaker 1: I think it's valuable to see quarterbacks throw live. I

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Speaker 1: think there's something to that. I also think that you know,

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Speaker 1: just get out there, let's see it come off your

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Speaker 1: hand a little bit. It wasn't the best Pro Day

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and it was that long. It was just

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Speaker 1: he didn't do anything to hurt himself. I think he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I think if you are

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Speaker 3: a cam Ward fan, he showed all the things that

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Speaker 3: cam Ward should be the number one overall pick, there

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Speaker 3: was nothing to happen performances that would dissuade you from

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Speaker 2: Kam Ward is a phenomenal prospect.

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Speaker 3: Cam Ward has tools, talent, tenacity that I absolutely love

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Speaker 2: What he was able to do going from.

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Speaker 3: Cam Ward taking over the U program and really putting

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Speaker 3: there's not an Everything is impressive when it comes to it.

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Speaker 3: That's really the only argument that I can make against

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Speaker 2: Look, man, this dude is a stud, and he's a stud.

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Speaker 3: And that was verified on the pro day, and look

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to me, you look at it and you

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great point. And his hand quickness

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Speaker 3: Like people to talk about Vincejon, but Vy didn't have

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Speaker 3: And you know, like we rarely talk about Steve McNair

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Speaker 3: Nice person to bring up because you were around Steve

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Speaker 3: it's a return to that kind of team. If Kim

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that McNair was especially younger. McNair was

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Speaker 1: Spice it up, trade up for Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be just what that franchise needed? And it's

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Speaker 1: There's no spark with this team right now. Let's get

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Speaker 1: But man, it just feels like that was the nineties. Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: I'll say this, you can never have too many good players.

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Speaker 2: Whenever he's on the field, good things happen.

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Speaker 3: For the Dallas Cowboys, a team that I would say

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Speaker 2: DJ.

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Speaker 3: When I look at their team, I see Michael Parsons

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Speaker 2: Need star power. It is something that they're lacking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, making it a very aggressive move for a Travis

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Speaker 3: I mean, why not give him an opportunity to be

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna win seventeen fourteen games against the Washington

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Speaker 1: People ask, well, how the heck you know who's going

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Speaker 3: Man, that would be a very exciting move. There was

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Speaker 3: not that they ever kind of fall out of the

438
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Speaker 3: national squat light or the radar, but it's not as

439
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Speaker 3: much buzz about the Cowboys as we used to seeing.

440
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Speaker 3: That would certainly be a buzzy move to kind of

441
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Speaker 3: re uh maybe generate some interest in Dallas.

442
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, all right. Last thing we're gonna do

443
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Speaker 1: on here today is I've got I had Jack pull

444
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Speaker 1: these numbers. Does it for me? Every year of the

445
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Speaker 1: average number of players drafted a positions? So I want

446
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Speaker 1: to rip through some of these quick and you tell

447
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Speaker 1: me if you think we're gonna be on the high

448
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Speaker 1: end of the low end of that. Right. So if

449
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Speaker 1: we look at quarterbacks over the last five NFL drafts,

450
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Speaker 1: we've averaged three point eight quarterbacks in the first round.

451
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Speaker 1: So let's we'll round up in this exercise. So four

452
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Speaker 1: first round quarterbacks, yes or no?

453
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Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna seek we get.

454
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Speaker 1: I think we get three. I think we get three.

455
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Speaker 1: Running back wise, the average has been one in the

456
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Speaker 1: first round.

457
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the i'ma take the over on that.

458
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Speaker 3: I think we two at a minimum maybe three.

459
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Speaker 1: Yep, I'm gonna I'm with you on that one. All right,

460
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Speaker 1: here we go wide receivers. How about this number? Five

461
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Speaker 1: point six we've averaged going in the first round over

462
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Speaker 1: five receivers going in the first round on average.

463
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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm taking the under and that man. Look, did

464
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Speaker 3: you do some scenarios where I think maybe only one

465
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Speaker 3: goes in the first round?

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

467
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Speaker 2: Like I think that's crazy, Yeah, I did. This year

468
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Speaker 2: is definitely not the year for the wide out.

469
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say we get I will say we

470
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Speaker 1: get three, two to three. Uh tight ends point six?

471
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Speaker 2: So I mean we're getting two, we're getting over, Yeah, getting.

472
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Speaker 1: Too offensive tackles the offensive line making get kind of tricky.

473
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Speaker 1: But that's five point six, I don't, I don't know.

474
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I see six.

475
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Speaker 3: I guess it depends because I feel like there's so

476
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Speaker 3: many guys that are multi positional guy. So for instance,

477
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Speaker 3: it's Able from North Dakota State. He's a tackle, a

478
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 3: center guy like so that's so that's where it gets

479
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 3: tricky for me. But in terms of pure offensive tackles,

480
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Speaker 3: we don't project.

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't think we go above that number.

482
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Speaker 1: I got five, so Will Campbell, Armand Membu, Calvin Banks,

483
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Speaker 1: Josh Simmons, Josh Connory.

484
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Speaker 2: I think he's the one.

485
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Speaker 3: He's the last, he's the last one to potentially get in.

486
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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's five.

487
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that would give you, that would give you five,

488
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Speaker 1: all right, The interior offensive lineman, if you combine the

489
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Speaker 1: guards and centers, would be one point four. So saying

490
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Speaker 1: two the interior offensive lineman, I have Booker and Zabel

491
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Speaker 1: and then Donovan Jackson could be three.

492
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that. Yeah. So I think I think

493
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Speaker 2: we're in the I think we're in the money.

494
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Speaker 1: On that one two to three, uh DT's is going

495
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Speaker 1: to be over there's two on average. Yeah, that is

496
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Speaker 1: the only two.

497
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Speaker 2: You know. Here's what I think is crazy. And we

498
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Speaker 2: do this and we see this happen on time.

499
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Speaker 3: I think early in the process, we always kind of

500
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Speaker 3: overrate the run stoppers, the nose tackles, and they tend

501
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Speaker 3: to go in the second round.

502
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Speaker 2: This year, DJ, we have some to your pass rushes.

503
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Speaker 3: With quickness wiggle first and I say, I.

504
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Speaker 1: Say, way over buck. But then I'm going through it

505
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, well, I could see some of

506
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: these guys, we see the tackles to your point slide

507
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: to the second round on some on some of these yeah.

508
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Speaker 3: Like so so like you guys, like like a Kenneth Grant,

509
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 3: who's more of a run player than a man, do

510
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: you wait top of the second and say, maybe that's

511
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Speaker 3: more his landing spot as opposed to the bottom of

512
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Speaker 3: the first with some other things. Man, that might be

513
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Speaker 3: a push. We might right it too. It might be

514
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Speaker 3: a push because we got Walton, Walton, Nolan and whoever

515
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Speaker 3: else you know what I'm saying.

516
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Speaker 1: Like you guys, I've got Mason Green and Graham Walter

517
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Speaker 1: Nolan and Walter Nolan, I don't think is a lock.

518
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Speaker 1: He's my thirty second player. I have Harmon in there,

519
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: so I think Harmon. I think Graham and Harmon. I'd

520
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Speaker 1: feel good about that's two. And then you start getting

521
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Speaker 1: to Grant Walter Nolan, like, now I think those are maybes.

522
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Speaker 3: And and there's this row right at the bottom of

523
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Speaker 3: the first Now with teams that could the way they

524
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: put a trigger. So when you think about Buffalo, Baltimore,

525
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 3: Kansas City, like, they're three teams that have a need

526
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Speaker 3: or ow pressing varies, but there's a need where you

527
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 3: can plug them in to that spot.

528
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Speaker 2: You had to be interesting to see what it looks like.

529
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Speaker 1: Defensive ends and linebackers are two different things here, so

530
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Speaker 1: and the linebackers that ends up getting udy because some

531
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Speaker 1: of those guys are edgresher, some of them are off

532
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Speaker 1: the ball. So I usually try and combine that and say,

533
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Speaker 1: between defensive ends and linebackers, So Jihad Campbell could go

534
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Speaker 1: over that pile, it would be six point eight if

535
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Speaker 1: you add those.

536
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Speaker 2: So I'm confident I think we surprised.

537
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the too many guys, the too many guys that

538
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: can get after the passer.

539
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm Abdul Carter, Jalen Walker, mikel Williams,

540
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Speaker 1: Mike Green, James Pierce, Shamar Stewart, Donovan Zaruku and then

541
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Speaker 1: that's not even counting Jihad campbell A as a linebacker.

542
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Speaker 1: I mean I think we I think we get on

543
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Speaker 1: the north side of that number. Pass uh and then

544
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: two more here corners. Four point four is the average

545
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Speaker 1: for the corners going in the first round. So if

546
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Speaker 1: I give you the names, at least as I as

547
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Speaker 1: I have them, I've got Baron will Johnson, Max Harrison,

548
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: Trey Amos, and then it gets to Azaria, Thomas, Ben Morrison.

549
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Speaker 1: I think Baron Johnson feel those are only two would

550
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Speaker 1: actually have in my top thirty two, so we might

551
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Speaker 1: maybe I think Trey Amos has a shot and Harrison

552
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Speaker 1: has a shot. I think those are the four guys

553
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Speaker 1: who have a chance to go in the first round.

554
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Speaker 2: I only feel good about. I only feel good about

555
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Speaker 2: two of those that can only be lock in.

556
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Speaker 1: Don't you think we go?

557
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I only feel good about I feel about Baron

558
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: and Johnson. Those are the only two that I feel

559
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Speaker 3: good about. Okay, they're gonna hear their they're gonna hear

560
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Speaker 3: their name.

561
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Speaker 2: Called the other guys. I think it's tricky.

562
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Speaker 3: Twenty five to forty is normally where those that run

563
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Speaker 3: onners goes at some point. And I know, like we

564
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Speaker 3: got really excited about Harrison after the Common We got

565
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: excited about some of these guys after we saw them

566
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Speaker 3: run and move around.

567
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: But then when.

568
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: Reality hits and you look at you know, supplying demand

569
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Speaker 3: man Biggs typically dwarf Little's when it comes to first round,

570
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Speaker 3: Hey let me get the big early. I can come

571
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: back and get someone that's comparable on the perimeter. I

572
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Speaker 3: feel like that is going to be the debate in

573
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Speaker 3: the conversation and a bunch of rooms.

574
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the last one, safety is point six. So

575
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Speaker 1: I haven't even averaged a safety in the first round.

576
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Speaker 1: I mean we're gonna get I feel good. Well here's

577
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Speaker 1: the thing though, Safety another position that a lot of

578
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: times you see the Brian Branches and like some of

579
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: these other guys, you know that the McKinney I think

580
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: went in the second round, like the guys that you

581
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Speaker 1: thought for sure we're going to be first round picks.

582
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Speaker 1: It doesn't always necessarily go that way.

583
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Speaker 3: No, I don't feel like the only one I feel

584
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Speaker 3: good about is I mean your war Worry Man, Yeah,

585
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: even Worry. He's the only one that I feel good about. Okay,

586
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 3: I'm confident he's malicat stars that I think is a baller.

587
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

588
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: I feel like we're gonna have the conversation about him

589
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: that we have about Brian Branch. We knew he was

590
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 3: a good player based on tape, but for whatever reason,

591
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: we couldn't take him in the first. So you get

592
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: him in the second and you watch him playing like

593
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 3: Man in the first round player. Yeah, yeah, very similar.

594
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: I think it starts as that.

595
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm going to do some more work on

596
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: Xavier Watts too. I did not have him in that range,

597
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: but man, a lot of teams really love him. So

598
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna the only thing, the only.

599
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: Thing that I'll say about him is man seball, get ball.

600
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 3: He's always around it. The ball kind of finds it.

601
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: He's kind of rock solid when it comes to it.

602
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 3: But I still see him as a as a second

603
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 3: round I don't see him as a first round player.

604
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: Now we come from the scouting thing where second round

605
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 3: means like, look, he's a starter, you know, he's a starter.

606
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Speaker 2: He starts. Maybe from day one, I see him as

607
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: a really.

608
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 3: Smart player, high IQ player that can make plays in

609
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: the middle of the field, can tackle in all those things.

610
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: I can't say that I see special. I see you're

611
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: really really good football player.

612
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Speaker 1: Yeah no, And that's see where those get as go.

613
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: So that's a fun little exercise there. We'll at a

614
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: later episode. I'll kind of give you the numbers on

615
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: the second third round. So the Day two guys, the

616
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: numbers that we normally see there spoiler alert. Day two

617
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: was the linebacker day and the wide receiver day, second

618
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: third round. Just one little nugget there. We see ten apiece,

619
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Speaker 1: ten receivers, ten linebackers go in the second third rounds.

620
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Speaker 1: That is a lot.

621
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Speaker 3: That is a lot, But to me it makes sense

622
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 3: because that's where the track meet. You normally see wide receivers, dbs.

623
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Speaker 2: All those guys, the fast guys go.

624
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Speaker 3: You don't want to pay a premium first round talent,

625
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: but you think you can find one a comparable mate

626
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 3: in the second and third round.

627
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: That's why Day two is full of those guys.

628
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Speaker 1: Yep, eight point four corners to your point in the

629
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Speaker 1: second day. So all right, this has been a fun,

630
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Speaker 1: one buck, anything else you want to add before we

631
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Speaker 1: get out of here.

632
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: No, man, Look we're almost a month. A month away

633
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: from the draft.

634
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Speaker 2: Or inside a month. Yeah, how quickly it comes.

635
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: And all the conversations that we'll start having about, you know,

636
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: trying to get the guys in the right house, get

637
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: him in the neighborhood, and as time getting in the house.

638
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing. You see my little cards here,

639
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: These are my.

640
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: Little little thoughts. I gotta kind of store out here.

641
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Speaker 1: That's my projects for the next couple of days. All right,

642
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: this has been a fun one. I appreciate you guys

643
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: hanging with us. We'll see you next time. Right here,

644
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: I move the sticks