WEBVTT - Swalwell Scandal (Part 1): CA Gov Candidate Now Under Criminal Investigation for Rape

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that folks. It is Sunday, April twelfth, and a

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<v Speaker 1>huge political story is now becoming possibly a criminal one.

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<v Speaker 1>Congressman Eric Swalwell, one of the leading candidates for governor

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<v Speaker 1>of California, facing allegations of rape, and now a district

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<v Speaker 1>attorney is asking possibly for more victims to come forward.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>There is now a criminal investigation into an allegation we

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<v Speaker 1>are just hearing about of the sexual assault and rape

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<v Speaker 1>of a former staff member Robes not just looking into

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<v Speaker 1>that matter, but looking into other matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this has become it was, at least in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>a political nightmare for Eric Swalwell, but this could now become, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>a question of whether or not he becomes criminally charged

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<v Speaker 2>in this matter, and as you point out, potentially other

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<v Speaker 2>possible incidents, and so, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that there's something they put out? I was surprised

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<v Speaker 1>to see. Do they know something we don't know? Is

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<v Speaker 1>this just standard?

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<v Speaker 2>Fair? And I don't know if this is standard, but

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<v Speaker 2>it definitely stood out to a lot of folks. So

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<v Speaker 2>we can actually read for you exactly what the Manhattan

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<v Speaker 2>District Attorney's office put out They put this out on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 2>and they urged survivors and anyone with knowledge of these

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<v Speaker 2>allegations to contact our Special Victim's Division, gave the number there.

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<v Speaker 2>Our specially trained prosecutors, investigators and counselors are well equipped

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<v Speaker 2>to help you in a trauma informed, survivor's centered manner.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that I have not looked this.

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<v Speaker 2>You point out might be standard operating procedure, but this seems.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they know something that there it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that was a suggestion there that maybe they I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, maybe that's just the standard language they use.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, we're talking about a congressman from the Bay

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<v Speaker 1>Area who was running for governor of California. So reminder, Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>why the hell is Manhattan looking into the guy, because

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<v Speaker 1>this is where this incident allegedly took place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the former staffer who basically set this story in

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<v Speaker 2>motion by speaking first to the San Francisco Chronicle and

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<v Speaker 2>then to CNN, she has said that she was raped

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<v Speaker 2>by Eric Swallwell in a Manhattan hotel room in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, and that is why charges are being considered

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<v Speaker 2>against the congressman in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's been quiet so far this weekend. He told

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<v Speaker 1>us what on Friday, when the video and all this

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<v Speaker 1>came out, he was going to spend time with friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family over the weekend. So we're standing by and waiting.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, I guess what everybody's waiting for is for

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<v Speaker 1>him to say he's getting out of the race.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, But when reporters pressed his attorney on this, this

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<v Speaker 2>attorney said, he's busy running a gubernatorial campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>That was their response, at.

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<v Speaker 2>Least as official as it gets, because that is what.

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<v Speaker 3>His attorney said, Did you have a rally this weekend?

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<v Speaker 3>It probably wasn't the right tone given everything that's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that's too dismissive the seriousness of what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about now.

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<v Speaker 3>Busy running a campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't brush up against somebody at a bar. He's

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<v Speaker 1>being accused of a violent assault. That's not and he's

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<v Speaker 1>too busy with just fromround me of you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't use that comparison, but that, come on, man, that

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<v Speaker 1>tone is not right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not right. It certainly isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, these stories are mounting, and and look, perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>the Manhattan DA knows something. There are videos circulating, there

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<v Speaker 2>are audio tapes being circulated. None of them have been authenticated,

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<v Speaker 2>but certainly there's bubbling, right. There are people who have things,

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<v Speaker 2>who've seen things, who've recorded things, and they're now starting

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<v Speaker 2>to be put out on social media unverified, But certainly

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<v Speaker 2>there's enough other.

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<v Speaker 3>Just noise that's percolating.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of that noise. We need to be clear here.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of this other noise we're talking about is not

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<v Speaker 1>criminal noise. This is stuff about bad behavior and a

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<v Speaker 1>boy behaving badly, if you will, and it's unfortunately we

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<v Speaker 1>use that sometimes boys behaving badly. But some of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that's out there is just trying to show him

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<v Speaker 1>as being.

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<v Speaker 3>A alomanizer who cheese on his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's the way use a smirmy smarty Oh well

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<v Speaker 1>he's smarmy.

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<v Speaker 2>Smarmy, that's marmie. Yes, that that's just sleazy smarmy stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Is what's being circulated.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they're trying to highlight there, at least bud Robe.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a separator and all the stuff we have

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about with him, and that is this young

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<v Speaker 1>woman who worked on his staff back in twenty starting

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, Robes. Her allegations are something else. This

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<v Speaker 1>isn't just a little a playboy.

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<v Speaker 2>He likes to.

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<v Speaker 1>Drink and likes to cheat on his wife and run

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<v Speaker 1>around and find young No, no, no, no, no, we are

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<v Speaker 1>she is describing. And we discussed this robes in writing

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<v Speaker 1>and putting in headlines, and we worked in the industry

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, and sometimes they like to put sexual

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<v Speaker 1>assault in the headline. Sometimes. The even we've been in

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<v Speaker 1>television news and big networks, big shows don't like the

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<v Speaker 1>word rape, like to use sexual assault. Robes there is

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<v Speaker 1>It's significant to make the damn distinction because rape is

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<v Speaker 1>a very specific suggestion and alex gation that goes beyond

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<v Speaker 1>you can grab somebody's butt and call that a sexual assault.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an allegation of rape, and that distinction needs

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<v Speaker 1>to continually be made here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because this former staffer describes nothing short of rape.

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<v Speaker 3>When she talks about that night.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, she says she doesn't remember most of the night

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<v Speaker 2>and the way she put it to CNN. She says

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<v Speaker 2>she remembers flashes where Swalwell was on top of her

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<v Speaker 2>and wouldn't get off. She says she remembers trying to

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<v Speaker 2>push him off. She remembers telling him no and he continued,

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<v Speaker 2>So that is a rape, she describes.

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<v Speaker 1>It, But she isn't she describing She doesn't remember everything,

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<v Speaker 1>but she says she remembers enough and the stuff she's recalling, right,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't she specifically saying I remember saying no, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Bite this guy off me and the other points around

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<v Speaker 2>this specific incident that this former staffer describes. And CNN

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<v Speaker 2>corroborated this, as did the San Francisco Chronicle, but they

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<v Speaker 2>said two family members and a friend, so free people

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<v Speaker 2>said that that this woman told them about the alleged

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<v Speaker 2>assault within the days surrounding it. And they also said

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<v Speaker 2>that they have a text message where she sent to

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<v Speaker 2>two friends, I was sexually assaulted on Thursday by Eric.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the time the alleged incident occurred, she told people,

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<v Speaker 2>and she specifically named her accuser. She also gave these

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<v Speaker 2>news outlets medical records detailing her getting an STD test,

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<v Speaker 2>a pregnancy test, and she claimed she had bruises and

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<v Speaker 2>she was bleeding.

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<v Speaker 3>So she describes a fairly violent assault.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then there was twenty four statute of limitations

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<v Speaker 1>is not an issue right now, right, so they could

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<v Speaker 1>go So, yes, we're talking about a guy who was

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<v Speaker 1>what a month away for finding out possibly if he

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be Yeah, they're going to start voting

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<v Speaker 1>in about a month out in California, the leg right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the election is June's second, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>possibly was on his way to becoming the next governor

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<v Speaker 1>of California. We talked about eight he might get charged,

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<v Speaker 1>criminally charged with something. Now, this is a stunning.

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<v Speaker 2>Look.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk about downfalls and all this stuff and politics

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<v Speaker 1>and ropes from that to that. In a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two hours. This all happened on Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>It's remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>Also stunning in all of this was the joint statement

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<v Speaker 2>that members of his own staff, the senior staff members,

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<v Speaker 2>came together from his congressional office and from his gubernatorial

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<v Speaker 2>campaign and they released a statement that, frankly is telling

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know how else to put it.

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<v Speaker 3>We can read it for you in its entirety. Just

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<v Speaker 3>take a listen. As leaders of teams working for Eric.

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<v Speaker 2>Swalwell, we're horrified by the recent reporting in the San

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<v Speaker 2>Francisco Chronicle and by CNN. We stand with our former

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<v Speaker 2>colleague and the other women who have come forward. We

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<v Speaker 2>believe you should stand with them too. The behavior detailed

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<v Speaker 2>in these reports is abhorrent, beneath the dignity of those

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<v Speaker 2>serving in public office, and betrays the trust of all Californians.

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<v Speaker 2>We also understand that we lead teams who need guidance

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<v Speaker 2>and stability. Now more than ever, we are focused on

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<v Speaker 2>supporting our colleagues during this challenging time. Any decision of

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<v Speaker 2>staff members to remain in their roles in the interim

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<v Speaker 2>should not be viewed as support for Eric Swolwell. We

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<v Speaker 2>recognize that not everyone, in particular our junior staff, can

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<v Speaker 2>immediately forfeit their income and benefits without significant personal risk

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<v Speaker 2>or consequence. Our responsibility now is to them. We, more

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<v Speaker 2>than he, understand that we have obligations to the people

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<v Speaker 2>we lead and to the constituents of California's fourteenth Congressional District.

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<v Speaker 2>Those of us that remain on staff do so for

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<v Speaker 2>the sole purpose of ensuring that as many of those

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<v Speaker 2>obligations are fulfilled as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Ouch now WO I applaud and I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>hire whoever wrote that statement. It was perfectly said. They

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<v Speaker 1>are actually and I'm sure they're not necessarily working with

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<v Speaker 1>him that much. He's out in California. Maybe they're back

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<v Speaker 1>in DC. Who knows how this is going down, But

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying to their constituents, you're our constituents, even though

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<v Speaker 1>the guy you voted for might have let you down,

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<v Speaker 1>we're actually in this office working for you. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that was the perfect way to say it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even upset with them for in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of all this madness, and what's most important was a

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<v Speaker 1>possible criminal charge that yeah, there's a reality here and

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<v Speaker 1>we have jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Hadn't thought about all the people who spent tireless hours

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<v Speaker 2>working for him, and this is their livelihood, this is

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<v Speaker 2>their income. Now all of that not only is at

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<v Speaker 2>risk in jeopardy, but also their reputations of just being

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<v Speaker 2>associated with him, And so they're basically making a very

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<v Speaker 2>clear separation from him and saying just because we work

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<v Speaker 2>in his office doesn't mean we support them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's well done. I thought it was really well done.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know what, it's maybe reassuring to the

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<v Speaker 1>people in that district as well. He's not currently work.

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<v Speaker 1>You could even argue he hasn't been focused on the

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<v Speaker 1>district because he's trying to become governor. Of California. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I loved how they put all of this. We are

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<v Speaker 1>actually working for the district, we have a responsibility.

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<v Speaker 2>We got you.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, they have seen where everything is you said

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<v Speaker 2>in seventy two hours. That really is stunning thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>this was just two days ago. But pretty much damn well,

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<v Speaker 2>every single person in politics has not only distanced themselves

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<v Speaker 2>from him, but calling for him to obviously end his

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<v Speaker 2>gubernatorial campaign, which he doesn't show any signs of doing,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way. And look we didn't even reference, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday, we should point out very specifically, he did

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<v Speaker 2>a video to camera and completely rejected and denied all

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<v Speaker 2>of these allegations, saying, these allegations of sexual assault are

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<v Speaker 2>flat false.

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<v Speaker 3>They're absolutely false.

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<v Speaker 2>They did not happen, and they have never happened, and

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<v Speaker 2>I will fight them with everything that I have.

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<v Speaker 1>And we ain't heard from him since though, because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more has come out, a lot more detail has

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<v Speaker 1>come out, and Robes, there.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not a.

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<v Speaker 1>You say that you said he's losing support. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>even heard a measured response or statement from somebody just

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<v Speaker 1>saying give it a beat, let's investigate it's all get

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<v Speaker 1>out now. We want nothing to do with you. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't even heard just a hey, let's give it some time, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Need to look into this. And Nope, not you know

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<v Speaker 3>what that's so telling.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually there's someone who says, let's wait for police to

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<v Speaker 2>do their job, for the investigation to go forward before

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<v Speaker 2>we make any rushes to judgment. No one is even

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<v Speaker 2>asking folks for a time or caution or just a

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<v Speaker 2>little perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing. It's all bye bye, bye bye.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not just about his race for governor. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>when we come back, we will tell you about what

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<v Speaker 2>may happen to his congressional position. And welcome back everyone

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<v Speaker 2>to this episode of Amy and TJ. Yes, we have

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<v Speaker 2>been talking about four days now, the political fallout for

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<v Speaker 2>California Congressman Eric Swollwell, who is the leading Democratic candidate

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<v Speaker 2>for governor of California. That election begins, or at least

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<v Speaker 2>voting begins in less than a month now. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>growing calls for him to drop out of the gubernatorial race.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is a criminal investigation now, the Manhattan District

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney's Office launching that investigation into that claim of rape.

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<v Speaker 2>Young woman says a former staffer of his says it

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<v Speaker 2>happened in a New York City hotel room in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, and so as we're hearing for folks to

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<v Speaker 2>say drop out of the race, he is also a

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<v Speaker 2>US congressman, and Congress has been on spring break Easter

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<v Speaker 2>break for the last two weeks. They reconvene on Monday, correct,

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<v Speaker 2>and we already have at least one congress woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Her name is Anna Paulina Luna. She's from Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a Republican, and she put out on X

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<v Speaker 2>over the weekend. As soon as she gets back, the

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<v Speaker 2>first thing she's going to do is file a motion

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<v Speaker 2>to expel Swallowell from Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, okay, we'll see how far this goes at

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<v Speaker 1>some butt. Right now, it's fresh on everybody's mind. It's horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>In the headlines, people are talking about it, so frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>other politicians want to make sure with those headlines they

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<v Speaker 1>get separated from this guy. Understood. They are really hesitant

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<v Speaker 1>to kick out one of their own in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, we initially heard some folks are going to

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<v Speaker 2>bring censure. There are different ways to punish lawmakers, but yes,

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<v Speaker 2>to actually expel a lawmaker from Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>That is as serious as it gets.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know in the hit I can't remember the

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<v Speaker 1>last one, and then the history, it's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>a single digits. It's got to be on one hand

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<v Speaker 1>the number of times this just happened in Robes. I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of I really do understand that, because you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to overturn the will of the voters. They put

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<v Speaker 1>this guy in. This is their guy. If they got

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<v Speaker 1>a problem with him, let them vote them out. We

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't do it on their behalf.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, according to the Internet six members only six members

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<v Speaker 2>of the US House of Representatives and one Senator have

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<v Speaker 2>ever been expelled in US history. The most recent was

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot about this, George Santos from New York in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three for fraud and campaign finances. This recent, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then James traffickan from Ohio Democrat in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and two for corruption. Michael Myers, well that's a name.

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<v Speaker 2>A Democrat in Pennsylvania in nineteen eighty for bribery.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, these after post convictions that I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>traffic can't for whatever reason I think, was.

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<v Speaker 3>Corruption, fraud and campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, it's rare because what happens then Robes, It's like, oops,

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<v Speaker 1>they are they going to come after me for any

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<v Speaker 1>little thing I do? You don't want to do that?

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<v Speaker 3>And Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>How many members of Congress do we know of right

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<v Speaker 1>now are facing something pretty serious or.

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<v Speaker 3>Have done something similar. Let's just be honest, but.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a handful. We talk about the numbers in Congress. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's play this. What did they do last time? Redistricting

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<v Speaker 1>Texas wants to do it now? California do it now?

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<v Speaker 1>In another state? Trying to balance it out? Okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to kick out one of our Democrats. You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a poorly behaving Republican over here. So now you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to start messing with the numbers to kick each

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<v Speaker 1>other out to balance your numbers. Robes, that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a tough hill to climb. But it's also going

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<v Speaker 1>to be difficult right now to be in Congress in

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<v Speaker 1>a mid term election year and said, yeah, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>accused a rape and I voted to keep him in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can't sit on the sidelines, and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be on the wrong side of things. That

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<v Speaker 2>is certainly true record, Dave, I had not even thought of.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the balance of the House is more important

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<v Speaker 2>than any one congressman and any one young former staff

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<v Speaker 2>who claimed she was raped by him. That's just the

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<v Speaker 2>truth of the matter, as sad as it is.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the President talking about not long ago one

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<v Speaker 1>guy was Member Cony's was really really ill and that

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<v Speaker 1>he was only given this horrible diagnosis and they thought

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<v Speaker 1>he might die, and the President stepped in, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>need him to die because I need his vote.

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<v Speaker 3>You remember that, say that was recent, This was in

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<v Speaker 3>the last few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so that's what I'm saying, Ropes, It's not so

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<v Speaker 1>sure they gonna kick one of the people.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, by the way, when we were talking about just

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<v Speaker 2>well and to your point about how important the balance

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<v Speaker 2>of Congress is and why for that reason alone, probably

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<v Speaker 2>we don't see expulsions of congressmen and women.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know for the I said there were six,

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<v Speaker 3>you had to go back.

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<v Speaker 2>To eighteen sixty one for the other three members because

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<v Speaker 2>they were expelled for supporting the Confederacy. That's how I

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<v Speaker 2>just for perspective, that rises to the level that is

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<v Speaker 2>where we are, and that's how high of a bar.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes things have to be said. And how far we

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<v Speaker 2>had to go back to see a single digit number

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<v Speaker 2>of congressmen and women face expulsion.

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<v Speaker 1>But we wait to hear from him when we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to hear it. He is not just running a campaign

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<v Speaker 1>at all right now. He's finding a defense attorney right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He is managing his family, the immediate one in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>but he is managing in laws, He's managing grandparents, He's

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<v Speaker 1>managing aunts and uncles and everybody else. He's managing his kids,

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<v Speaker 1>school teachers, all of these people are impacted now by

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on. He is not running for California governor

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you don't think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so interesting you put that because you think about

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<v Speaker 2>him being political and him thinking about his business, and

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<v Speaker 2>imagine him as a husband, a father, a son in law.

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<v Speaker 2>All of those things are happening, and those I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>have become suddenly way more important than any.

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<v Speaker 3>Political career he thought he had.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, there's a human element to this that you

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<v Speaker 2>know is going on behind the scenes. But obviously this

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<v Speaker 2>story is far far from over. Congress back in tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>that will be a telling time. Will he even be

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<v Speaker 2>in DC at that point, will he even come back?

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<v Speaker 2>You're looking at me like, hell, now, how is.

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<v Speaker 1>You going to show his face right now in the

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<v Speaker 1>halls of Congress. You can't do that. He's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be sitting at a table alone in the lunch room.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what is he supposed to do it he

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<v Speaker 1>comes back, He's got other things to handle right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And Robes in the midst of all this, and this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation we're having is always robes that he said, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>these about the balance of power, about men behaving badly,

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<v Speaker 1>and about alcohol. Rose, there's a different conversation. And we know,

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<v Speaker 1>as you're listening here, there's a conversation you're probably having

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<v Speaker 1>at home or maybe with your friends, with your girlfriends

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<v Speaker 1>in particular, and maybe some people are having with their daughters. Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a very difficult conversation that you and I were

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<v Speaker 1>very much interested in getting into.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and so please, as we wrap up this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>look for our next one, because we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about this issue of he said, she said,

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<v Speaker 2>and and how we feel about it, how the law

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<v Speaker 2>may be changing around it, and yes, what we're telling

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<v Speaker 2>our daughters. So look for that. But In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for listening to us. We always appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm made roboch alongside TJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes. We will talk to you very soon.