1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome fans of movie history and true crime to Hollywood Land, 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: where we are once again flipping through our archive of 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: stories to bring you this episode on Heath Ledger. It 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: was eighteen years ago, on January twenty second, two thousand 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: and eight, that Heath Ledger suddenly died at the age 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: of twenty eight. He famously passed away while the last 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: film he was able to complete, Christopher Nolan's second Batman film, 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: The Dark Knight, was still in post production. Keith Ledger 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: was an anomaly. He refused early on to be pigeonholed 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: as a teen idol and later as a leading man. Instead, 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: he chose movies and roles that challenged him then that 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: challenged the public's perception of him. These roles included a 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: surfboard entrepreneur in Lords of Dogtown, a con artist and 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: The Brothers Grim, a cowboy and Broke Back Mountain, one 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: of six actors portraying a famous folk singer and I'm 16 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: Not There, And of course, his iconic role one of 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: his last, the Joker in the Dark Knight. You can 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: hear all about how this pursuit of something challenging, of 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: something taboo even wound up changing Heath Ledger in this 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: fully scripted and sound design narrative episode. And then I 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: hope you come back on Wednesday this week when we 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: talk about Heath a little more in detail in the 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: Rap Party, and then again on Friday here in the 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: screening room when I do a deep dive into the 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: dark Knight. 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: Hollywood Land is a production of Double Elvis by Candy 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: the Bye called The Galia. They don't rereadom me right. 28 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: The stories about Heath Ledger are insane. He wants got 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: an aging Australian junkie to teach him the right way 30 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: to shoot up using a stolen prosthetic arm. In Fake Blood, 31 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: he was baited with cocaine at the legendary Chateau Marmat 32 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: by two proparazzi intent on getting revenge. He fell so 33 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: deep into the dark psychology of his on screen character 34 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: that he got Batman to kick his ass for real. 35 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: He was so good at disappearing into movie roles that 36 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: he would eventually disappear past the point of no return. 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: And He's Ledger made great films. Unlike that clip I 38 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: played for you at the top of the show. That 39 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: wasn't a clip from a great film that was a 40 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: fair youse sample from the Library of Congress of Perry 41 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: Bradford singing Crazy Blues in nineteen twenty one. I played 42 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: you that clip because I can't afford the rights to 43 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: Matt Reeves's Cloverfield. And why would I play you that 44 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: specific slice of shaky cam Cheese? Could I afford it? 45 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: Because that was the number one movie in America on 46 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 2: February twenty second, two thousand and nine, and that was 47 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: the day that Heath Ledger won a posthumous Oscar for 48 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: his iconic portrayal of the Joker. On this episode, a 49 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: stolen prosthetic arm cocaine framed jobs a batman beat down 50 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: in Heath Ledger, I'm Jake Brennan in. 51 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: This is Hollywood Land. 52 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: Heath Ledger got to Prague early, more like an over 53 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,839 Speaker 2: anxious kid on his first date than Hollywood's next leading man. 54 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: Columbia Pictures wanted him to take horseback lessons, and it 55 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: wasn't until he got to Prague that Heath revealed that 56 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: he grew up on a farm outside of Perth. It 57 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: was half bullshit, half swagger. Heath was a prep school brat, 58 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: grew up playing hockey, performing Shakespeare but Americans didn't know 59 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: the first thing about Australia. 60 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: They were dazzled by. 61 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: Anything he said in his lifting up speak that turned 62 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: every sentence into. 63 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: A potential question. 64 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: He pulled out a fucking ditgerido at his audition, and 65 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: the director looked at him like he was some Aboriginal shaman. 66 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: Heath told his friends back home it was the ditch 67 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: that got him the roll. It was the summer of 68 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: the year two thousand. Prague had only opened its doors 69 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: to capitalism ten years before. Half a million protesters brought 70 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 2: a peaceful end to four decades of one party rule. 71 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: So peaceful they called. 72 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: It the Velvet Revolution. 73 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: The new president was a dissident poet, and everyone in 74 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: Prague was a poet or an artist or a musician. 75 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: And the whole city was drunk on cheap freedom. Cheap 76 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: beer too, twelve cents American first stein, the size. 77 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 3: Of a bucket. 78 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: It was a dream city for a twenty one year 79 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: old kid, and he's had it all to himself. It 80 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: was a shame that he had arrived before his co stars. 81 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: He wanted to share the experience with them, So Heath 82 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: Leder did what he always did when he was alone, 83 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: he called up his mates back in La Heath had 84 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: a massive apartment that served as a landing pad and 85 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: flophouse for any OSSI that came to California looking to 86 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: hit big. People came and went, crashed on couches overnight 87 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: or for months on end. When new OSSI actors showed 88 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: up at Hollywood auditions, casting directors asked, so are you 89 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: one of the ones staying at Heath's place. It was 90 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 2: the kind of stardom he thought. He wanted, something he 91 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: could share. He grinned through parties of friends and strangers, 92 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: but often retreated to take his spot behind the turntables. 93 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: He played Nick Drake Covers on guitar while other OSSI 94 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: actors paced the hallways running lines. He's phoned the flophouse 95 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: in La. He told his friends to come over like 96 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: he was at the bar down the block, and not 97 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: halfway across the world. Come now, it's cheap, everything's practically free. 98 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 2: He phoned Columbia Pictures and got phone numbers for his 99 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: co stars on A Night's Tale, the movie he was 100 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: in Prague to shoot, most of whom he hadn't met yet. 101 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 2: He called them up to and the movie's about a 102 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: group of friends. He said, let's get together, get to 103 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: know each other. Be easy for him to say. The 104 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 2: other actors were all scraping by, and none of them 105 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: was getting the kind of money Heath was for this job. 106 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: It's cheap, he said, everything's practically free. If their definition 107 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: of practically free was different from his, so be it. 108 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: He would buy them all plane tickets, and that's exactly 109 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: what he did. Refusing to take no for an answer, 110 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: the entourage landed in Prague. Heath booked the whole floor 111 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: of a hotel for next to nothing. They ran through 112 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: the streets by night until the bars kicked them out 113 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: at closing. American coins rattled in their pockets. They could 114 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: have been kids on a gap year fuck about in 115 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 2: Eastern Europe with all the time in the world, but. 116 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: Heath had a sense of urgency. 117 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: When he left Perth at age nineteen to break big 118 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: in Hollywood. He told his dad it had to be now, 119 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: because he wasn't going to be here long. Wasn't sure 120 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: how he knew, but he did know that this movie, 121 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: A Night's Tale would be huge, and it wouldn't just 122 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: make him the star. His co stars they were going 123 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: to be big too. Saturday night, before the rest of 124 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: the crew arrived, Heath and company had dinner at a 125 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: family pizza place off in Rootovas Street. A rosy cheeked 126 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: check girl not two years younger than Heath, brought them 127 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: bread and endless bottles of Hungarian wine, sugary sweet stuff 128 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: Heath knew he'd feel in the morning. The girl's mustachio 129 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: father grinned toothily from the kitchen, drenched in sweat from 130 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: the one hundred year old brick oven. Other patrons paid 131 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: their bills and left, some out the front door and 132 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: some down a dark staircase in the corner or the restaurant. 133 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: The Hollywood entourage called for more wine, and the chipmunk 134 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: cheak girl brought it as she wished she could sit 135 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: down with them, follow them out into the night, into 136 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: all that cheap freedom. 137 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: She kept hearing about. 138 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: Her mother, a woman built to survive harsh winters, grunted 139 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: at her from the corner. As the restaurant emptied, Heath 140 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: kept watching that staircase in the corner, where one of 141 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: his friends caught him looking. There's a burlesque club in 142 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: the basement, she told him straight up, kitch like the 143 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: Weimar Republic, like stepping into caparet. They all looked to Heath, 144 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: even the waitress standing ready with another bottle. Heath was 145 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 2: the youngest, but he was also the one who put 146 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: this gang together and the one who held them together. 147 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: His hotel room was a miniature or the flophouse. People 148 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: came and went, slept on the floor, fucked in the bathroom, 149 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: did lines off the coffee tables. They came by just 150 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 2: to be around Heath, and people told him he was 151 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: an old soul, and he smiled cryptically. If he had 152 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: it on him, he would have pulled out his Dijerido 153 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 2: like a fucking mystic and make it drone in its 154 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: weird song. Americans ate up that Assi bullshit. Let's go, then, 155 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: he said, and they're out down the stairs for group bonding. 156 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 3: Pg. 157 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: Thirteen Times strip teases and upa bands. Except that the 158 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: burlesque show was on weeknights. Saturdays were a different show. 159 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: It wasn't some straight out of cabaret nudge nutgewink. This 160 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: was a full on sex show, the kind of thing 161 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: that made Michael Corleoni squirm in the Godfather part too. 162 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: It was this even legal. Did the poet president allow 163 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 2: this on his watch. Everyone looked at Heath, but Heath 164 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: was inscrutable, a zen monk with a beatific grin. It 165 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: was cool by him. He and his friends were exactly 166 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: where they were supposed to be, as long as they 167 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: were in it together. In the next morning, the first 168 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: day of shooting, the actors showed up on set, exhausted, hungover. 169 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: The crew of Hollywood vetts side eyed them. What are 170 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: these nobody cares think they were the fucking brat pack. 171 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: Heath would have said, no, we're something new. We're going 172 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: to be huge, all of us. They stayed tight after 173 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 2: the shoot back in La. Heath stayed friends with everyone, 174 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: even exes, of which there were already several. He couldn't 175 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: be mad at him, even when he fucked up and 176 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: had too much or went too far. Publicity for a 177 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: Nights Tale ramped up, and posters and billboards appeared all 178 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: over La. Instead of using photos, they took together as 179 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: a group of prague. The billboards had only Heath's face, 180 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: twenty feet high, stern and Hollywood handsome. 181 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: He will rock you. The tagline read. 182 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: Heath was horrified. This wasn't the movie they made, This 183 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: wasn't who he wanted to be. He called his friends 184 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: to apologize, but none of them were pissed. They were 185 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: proud of him. They knew what their roles had been 186 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: in the movie. They were merely support for the so 187 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: called white knight. So he can make it big, and 188 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: he was about to, and before long his face would 189 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: be everywhere. The couple was happy, and the paparazzi were 190 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: sick of it. Storybookshit didn't sell papers, and Heath Ledger 191 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: and Michelle Williams. 192 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: Were in a fairy tale. 193 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 2: They had met on the set of Broke Back Mountain 194 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: in the Canadian Rockies, a meet cute captured on film, 195 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 2: and now they were taking their very public victory, gushingly 196 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 2: in love in that way that made other couples uncomfortable. 197 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: Broke Back Mountain was a revolutionary Hollywood movie, a love 198 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: story about two gay cowboys. Gus van Zandt was attached 199 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: to direct, but couldn't cast the tense job repressed lead 200 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: and Brad Pitt passed, and ditto for Leonardo DiCaprio, Matt Damon, 201 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: Mark Wahlberg, and Joaquin Phoenix. They passed too, so van 202 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: Zandt dropped out and the project fell to Ang Lee, 203 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: whose red hot success of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon had 204 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: cooled off considerably after his follow up flop with The Hulk. 205 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: The Gay Cowboys script found its way to Heath, who 206 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: loved it. He'd been playing small parts, weird parts since 207 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 2: A Knight's Tale, Anxious to avoid being typecast as nothing 208 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: more than a pretty face, Heath saw an opportunity to 209 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: make a bold move like River Phoenix, playing anarcalyptic gay 210 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: hustler in Van Zandt's My Own Private Idaho, shedding his 211 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: pretty boy persona and establishing himself as. 212 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: A real actor. 213 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: After they made the movie, Heath and Michelle moved in 214 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 2: together in Brooklyn, of all places, not the hipster loft 215 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: scene in Williamsburg, the quiet rowhouses of Borham Hill. No 216 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: one in Boram Hill gave a shit if you were famous. 217 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: Brooklyn was in la Brooklyn left you alone. Heath and 218 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: Michelle got married at City Hall in secret, and they 219 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: never referenced the rings on their fingers at premieres or 220 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: a Gallas. And that October, three months earlier, they had 221 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: a baby, little Matilda. Heath was over the moon. He said, 222 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 2: broke back changed his life, and he wasn't talking about 223 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: his breakthrough performance or the award nominations the movie brought him. 224 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: Michelle gave him his baby daughter. It was the best 225 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: thing that ever happened to him. But at that moment, 226 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 2: Heath and Michelle weren't in Brooklyn. They were in La 227 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: at the Shrine Auditorium for the Screen Actors Guild Awards, 228 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: facing off against Papa Razzi, who had no time for 229 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: that bridge and tunnel shit. Heath and Michelle were far 230 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 2: from home and there were scores to settle. Australian tabloids 231 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: had infamously dubbed the couple Surly and surly. Heath regularly 232 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: threw eggs at the photographers who camped outside his house 233 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: back in Australia. Just one year prior, in Sydney, a 234 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 2: photographer shouted flash as he snapped a picture during a 235 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: t on the set of Candy, the first film Heath 236 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: had shot in Australia in four years. The photographer didn't 237 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: give a fuck that he just ruined the scene. Got 238 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: you a ledger, he screamed, I'll see you at home. 239 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: Heath broke character and took off after the photographer all 240 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: the way down the street, So far down the street, 241 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: that the two of them were the only witnesses to 242 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: what happened next, the photographer ended up with a scraped. 243 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: Knee and busted elbow. 244 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: He went to the police, said Heath Ledger tackled him 245 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: for no reason. According to Heath, the poor bastard fell 246 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: in the chase with no one else there to see it, 247 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: and the cops didn't press charges. 248 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: Candy. 249 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: The film Heath had been shooting when the photographer made 250 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: his move was about two heroin addicts. 251 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: The Aussie rags made. 252 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: Sure they portrayed Heath as an actor who did a 253 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: little too much research for his role. The stories Heath 254 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: told were strange enough. He and co star Abby Cornish 255 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: met an old junkie at a Sydney narcotics anonymous meeting, 256 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: who took them back to his apartment and the attic 257 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: took out a rifle case. Inside was a prosthetic arm 258 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: with a ba of fake blood attached at the shoulder. 259 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: The blood bag. 260 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: Ran into two tubes that ran into two fully functional veins. 261 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: That ran the length of the arm. 262 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: It was an educational prop for nurses to learn to 263 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: draw blood. The junkie had lifted it from a hospital 264 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: and used it to show newbies how to shoot up safely, 265 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: how to shoot up right. He slided the needle up 266 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: the vein, and don't go poking yourself like a fucking amateur, 267 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: he showed Heath salivating and Pavlodian response. When Heath sunk 268 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: the needle into the prosthetics arms vein, fake blood shooting 269 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: up the dropper's neck. Heath got so good at it 270 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: that he figured he'd be able to do it for real, 271 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: maybe even without flinching, not that he actually would. It 272 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: was one thing to disappear into a roll and another 273 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: thing to disappear completely. But no matter how many rolls 274 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: there were to disappear into, the paparazzi didn't forget the 275 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: Heath ledger used to throw eggs at them from his 276 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: porch that he allegedly tackled one of their own, and 277 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: they certainly didn't forgive. When Heath Michelle went back to 278 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: Sydney for the Broke Back premiere, paparazzi sprayed them with 279 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: super soakers. They apologized to Michelle, but not to Heath. 280 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: They claimed it was payback, but the biggest payback was 281 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: about to come Los Angeles two thousand and six. After 282 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: the screen actors killed ceremony at the Shrine Auditorium. Heath 283 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: Michelle went back to the Chateau MArmand, where they'd left 284 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: their daughter with a sitter. Michelle went up to the 285 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: room to see the baby and get some sleep. Heath 286 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: mingled in the lobby. He was wound up, anxious, not 287 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: much for sleeping. The Chateau MArmand of Sunset Boulevard was legendary. 288 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: Harry Cohne, co founder of Columbia Pictures, told William Holden, 289 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: if you must get into trouble, do it at the 290 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: Chateau Marman. James Dean jumped out of Chateau Marman window 291 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: to quote unquote audition for Rebel Without a Cause. John 292 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: Belushi wrote a speedball injection out of this World Old 293 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: in Bungalow three, And those were just the stories you 294 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 2: heard about. The chateau kept its secrets. If you must 295 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: get into trouble, do it at the Chateau Marman. Darren 296 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 2: Banks and Eric Mann were photographers for Splash News and 297 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: Picture Agency, a global network of paparazzi. They came to 298 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: the Chateau Marman with cocaine, which they had bought with 299 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 2: the news agency's money, and they were there with Banks, 300 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: his girlfriend, a reporter for People magazine who'd be listed 301 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 2: as Jane Doe, and the legal proceedings that came later, 302 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: and they zeroed in on Heath, wandering the crowd edgy 303 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: and listless alone without his storybook wife or his fairy 304 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: tale baby, and they had revenge on their minds tough 305 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: lost tonight, Banks said he was incognito. He didn't tell 306 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: a Heath what he did for a living. Yeah, yeah, 307 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: said he thanks. He'd forgotten about the award show. He 308 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 2: didn't give a shit about awards. The whole process ground 309 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: on him, made him wish he'd never take the part. 310 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 2: He felt the gravity of his wife and his daughter 311 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: pulling at him from upstairs, but something kept him down 312 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 2: here in the muck of this party, a lead ghost 313 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: of an old self that he couldn't shake. You want 314 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: to get out of here at banks house. My girlfriend's 315 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 2: got a room. Heath did want to get out of there. 316 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 3: He needed to. 317 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: Get back to his wife and daughter, back to Boorham Hill, 318 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: where no one gave a fuck. 319 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: Who he was. 320 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: He was too visible in La, even though everyone pretended 321 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: so hard. 322 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 3: Not to see him. 323 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: This town used to be fun, back when he had 324 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: the massive apartment that served as a landing pad for friends. 325 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: That was five years ago. He looked around the party 326 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: and all he saw were dead eyes, plastic smiles, all 327 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: of them pretending to have fun, but underneath. 328 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: They were all so. 329 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: Serious. Upstairs, Jane Dill watched as Banks and mud carved 330 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: the coke into lines and presented it to Heath like 331 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: he had won an award. 332 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 3: Fuck, he was going to get serious shit from Michelle. 333 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 2: He shouldn't even be here, in the one place where 334 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 2: people famously went to get into trouble. The undercover paparazzi 335 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 2: gave Heath nudge and showed off that quality code purchased. 336 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: Just for him. 337 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: Heath dove into old habits, dove into those lines like 338 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: he woke up from his fairy tale life and he 339 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 2: had been in the Chateau Marman the whole time. Mound 340 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: excused himself to unpowder his nose. He went around to 341 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: the balcony and crouched down with a camera. Jane Doe 342 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 2: saw him do it. She hadn't signed on for this shit. 343 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: Maybe she bought his good husband, good dad stick, and 344 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: maybe she got suckered by that smile. She wouldn't be 345 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 2: the first. Jane Doe knew the paparazzi wanted revenge on Heath, 346 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: she just didn't think it was right. She demanded the 347 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: mun and Banks tell Heath exactly who they were. Banks 348 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 2: approached Heath, hands up and palms out like you would 349 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: a rabbit animal because he'th no longer looked like the 350 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: goofball new Dad right now, he now looked like the 351 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: guy who had chased down and tackled a photographer just 352 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: last year in Sydney. 353 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 3: It's cool, said Banks. 354 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get us some more a peace offering 355 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: and no more pictures, a promise. He didn't mention that 356 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: his partner had been shooting video. Heath calmed down a little, Bangs, 357 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: made a call, scored them some more in the company's tab. 358 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: Before too long, it was a party again. But every 359 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: few lines Heath remembered the setup and lost his shit 360 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: all over again. Man attempted to calm Heath down. He 361 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 2: was going to destroy the photos, Swear to God they 362 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 2: would never see the daylight. 363 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 3: Mon went out to his car. 364 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: He swapped the memory card for one in his glove box, 365 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: one containing red carpet shots and he had could take. 366 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 3: He snapped the. 367 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: Red carpet card in half, shut the glove compartment, and 368 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: went back upstairs. See, he said, showing off the broken 369 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 2: memory card. 370 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: All gone. 371 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: The video never did see daylight while Heath was alive. Anyways, 372 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: Banks and mon knew he'd come back at them, make 373 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: them look like the assholes. 374 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 3: Plus, Heath Ledger. 375 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 2: Wasn't news, not yet anyway. 376 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: He retreated to Borham Hill. 377 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: People got cell phone shots of him with his daughter 378 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: on his shoulders, and the photos ended up in the 379 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: back of People magazine and the celebrities who were just 380 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: like us shlock filler, not the shit that sells magazines. 381 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 2: Heath was a stay at home dad and he loved it. 382 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: He passed up roles on the regular just so he 383 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 2: could spend more time with his daughter. But one more 384 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 2: roll was waiting, one that would take his Hollywood smile 385 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: and twist it, and it would lead Heath's Ledger to 386 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 2: a dark place. 387 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this. We're we're where. 388 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 2: Christian Beale surveyed the wreckage. He had to pivot on 389 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: the heel of his boot, and the neck wasn't as 390 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 2: stiff as the one Michael Keaton wore. And the suit 391 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 2: didn't have fucking nipples, thank god, but it was limiting enough. 392 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: Bell couldn't keep his head on a swivel. He took 393 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 2: a slow three sixty rotation. Broken glass, upended steel table, 394 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: ceramic tiles, shattered shit. 395 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 3: Bell thought, did I do this? 396 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 2: If he was in a throwdown that did this much damage, 397 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: he ought to know about it. He'd have his knuckles dusted, 398 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: a coppery tang of blood in his mouth. Fuck a 399 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 2: room up this bad. There should be scars, bruises, a 400 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: memory of what happened. He ran gloved fingers over the 401 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: jagged edge of a broken tile and maybe the director 402 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: rigged a detonator or made the tile implode. Didn't make sense, 403 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: didn't seem possible. Christopher Nolan was a master of physical effects. 404 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 2: They leave the CGI to amateurs, let the hack directors 405 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: fix shit and post. 406 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 3: Nolan wanted it on camera. 407 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: Bail had bruises and scrapes to prove it, and they 408 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: hadn't talked explosives and rehearsal. And Nolan wasn't the kind 409 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: of director who sprang shit on me to get some 410 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: authentic reaction, not like Hitchcock turning the shower ice cold, 411 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 2: so Janet Lee's shock was authentic when the knife came down, down, down, 412 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: Lee never forgave Hitchcock, but you can't argue with the results. 413 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: Complex stunts and physical effects Nolan used required trust from 414 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: his actors. Pulling tricks was in his bag. A shard 415 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 2: of ceramic about the size of a baby tooth came 416 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: loose and clattered on the concrete next to Baile's boot. 417 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 3: We did this, he thought. 418 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 2: The details came back to him fuzzy, like waking up 419 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 2: in a stranger's bed and piecing together the night before. 420 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: He remembered going through the fight choreography in rehearsal, a careful, 421 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 2: exacting dance of violence. He and Heath Ledger went over 422 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 2: it again and again until they had the steps right. 423 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: But in rehearsal Heath didn't do the voice. He did 424 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 2: a voice, of course, and like Bail, He's drowned his 425 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: accent in store brand American ketchup. For most parts, Heath 426 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: landed on something midwestern, Chicago generic, and he was good 427 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: at it. His voice blended into any Friday night crowd 428 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: at the Clark Street Bars in Wrigleyville, in rehearsal, his 429 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: voice was average, aggressively normal. Bail growled his lines a 430 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: wrath that left his throat shredded, left him sucking mouthfuls 431 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: of lozenges after every take. Heath held something back until 432 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 2: the cameras rolled. Then he came at Bail with that nasal, 433 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: fucking whine, that sound that crept under Bale's skin. 434 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: That needled at him. Why so serious Christian? 435 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: With that voice, that fucking voice itching away at his brain. 436 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: All the choreographed violence, all the practiced dance steps of 437 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: the fight, burned away in red rage. Bail had smacked 438 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: his forehead onto the metal desk, banged it like a gong, 439 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: and Heath laughed, a wheedling he he he hit. 440 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 3: Me, he said, gone hit me. 441 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 2: He kept talking in that voice, that fucking voice. Only 442 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: he wasn't a Heath Ledger anymore. He was a demon, 443 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 2: an agent of pure chaos. Bail had to get answers, 444 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: had to beat the answers out of him. He picked 445 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: Heath up by the kelly green vests and slammed his 446 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: back against the tile wall, hard enough to smash the tiles. 447 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: He grabbed the fistful of that greasy hot topic, dyed hair, 448 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: and slammed Heath's face into the two way glass, leaving 449 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: a spiderweb shattered pattern. The violence was real, and Heath 450 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: laughed through the whole fucking thing, never crying off, never 451 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: calling cut as Bail flipped them onto the metal table, 452 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: tossed his body around like a rag doll, and the 453 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: whole time laughing that laugh that made Bail want to 454 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: hit him again harder. Bill looked over at Heath, sitting 455 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: in a corner smoking a cigarette. Before the next take, 456 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: Heath was buried in a book, the journal he had 457 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: with him on set at all times, with the joker 458 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: written on the front, above a picture of a woman 459 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: in a sun hat feeding an elephant. It was a 460 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: diary and a scrapbook. Cut out comic book panels photos 461 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: of Tim Curry as Pennywise, the demonic clown, and John 462 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: Wayne Gacy, the all two real killer clown who performed 463 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 2: at birthday parties in children's hospitals, but also who killed 464 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: at least thirty three young men and boys. Paintings by 465 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: Francis Bacon of medieval popes reduced to screaming skeletons, dead birds, 466 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 2: and rotting slabs of beef old playing cards in a 467 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: photo of Malcolm McDowell leering, grinning in a bowler hat 468 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 2: and eyeliner as a clockwork oranges charismatic psychopath Alex Hyenas 469 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 2: and handwritten dialogue. Bill could go all in on a roll. 470 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 2: He tanned himself like leather to play Patrick Bateman in 471 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: American Psycho. He survived on cigarettes, whiskey and black coffee 472 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: to get into the body of a strung out insomniac 473 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: in the Machinist one hundred and twenty pounds on his 474 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: six foot frame. He put on one hundred pounds of 475 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: muscle before we'd donned the batsuit. Like cgi sculpted rubber 476 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: pecks were for amateurs. Heath, on the other hand, locked 477 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: himself away for a month in a London hotel room, 478 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: reading old Batman comics and improvising leering grins and nails 479 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: on a chalkboard voices until he got them right that 480 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 2: fucking voice. The month of seclusion fucked with Heath permanently 481 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 2: messed up Katiean rhythms until he was only sleeping two 482 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 2: hours a night. Christian Bale put all those lost pounds 483 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: back on every ounce he starved off himself for one role, 484 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: returned as muscle for this one. Heath Ledger didn't go 485 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: into isolation to lose something. He went to find something. 486 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 2: And he came back with that journal, Bye bye, written 487 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: ominously on. 488 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 3: The last page. Aware he was being watched, Heath looked up. 489 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: He smiled, his broad movie star smile, framed by a 490 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: horror show. A rictus of makeup and prosthetics, Keith helped 491 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: design the look the scars. He's sure as shit didn't 492 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: want to look like Caesar Romero, who wouldn't even shave 493 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: his stash before they layered on the grease paint. And 494 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 2: he didn't dare look like Jack Nicholson, who was already 495 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: complaining in the press that no one had even asked 496 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: him to reprise the role. And the scars were based 497 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: on an old British mob movie called The Chelsea Grin. 498 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: He slid a guy's cheek from the corner of his lips. 499 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: To the back of his molars. Shit never heals right. 500 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 2: Ugly for life, Heath licked his lips. He did it 501 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: constantly to keep the prosthetic scars from coming on glued, 502 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: the necessity becoming part of the performance. He gave Bail 503 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: a cheery wave, twiddling his fingers in the air, and 504 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: went back to his journal and his smoke. And there 505 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: are rumors Heath Ledgers stayed in character while shooting The 506 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: Dark Knight, that he was the joker all the time, 507 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 2: save that noise. For Jared Leto, the truth was even 508 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: scarier how easily Heath turned. 509 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 3: It on and off. 510 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: Once the cameras rolled, he was no longer Heath Ledger. 511 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 2: He became the joker. He spooked Maggie Gillenhall, who'd known 512 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: him for years. He spooked Michael Kane, which is no 513 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: easy feat. This is a guy who lived through the 514 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 2: Nazi bombing of London, who went drink for drink with 515 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: Peter O'Toole, who co starred with Lawrence Olivier and Sean Connery, 516 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: and who defined badass British cool in the nineteen sixties 517 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: as Harry Palmer, a spy who made James Bond look 518 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: like a fucking door to door salesman. Michael Kine stand 519 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: and watched his lines when he had to stare into 520 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: Heath Ledger's leering lipstick, smeared muck and the second Nolan 521 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: called cut, he was Heath again, sweet funny kind. But 522 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: the thing that he created in that hotel room was 523 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,719 Speaker 2: still inside him, ready to be let out when they 524 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: called action. It lived inside him now, and it wouldn't 525 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 2: let him sleep. Heath Ledger wasn't sleeping. It was barely dawn. 526 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 3: He decided to go for a chess. 527 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: Game in Washington Square Park in the rain. He was 528 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: thinking about a break from acting for the first time 529 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: and forever. Heath felt like he had time to play 530 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: the long game, if he could just get some fucking sleep. 531 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 3: It was two thousand and eight. 532 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: The players in the park respected Heath's game as much 533 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 2: as they did as movies. He played speed chests against 534 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: the early morning regulars, a stalemate, two losses. He couldn't 535 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: see the whole board, its future, its possibilities. His brain 536 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: felt reinslick and jagged. Heath shook hands and went home. 537 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: But Heath wasn't going back to the storybook apartment in 538 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: Boreham Hell. He and Michelle had split months earlier. In 539 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: the silence about the reasons for the breakup, the tabloids 540 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: assumed Heath was back on drugs. Cocaine tape from the 541 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: Chateau MArmand hadn't gone public, but its existence was a 542 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: shared secret among paparazzi, and they never bought Heath's hole 543 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: mister mom routine to begin with. They knew the real Heath. 544 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: He was living on Broome Street in Soho. Like with 545 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: the Aussie flophouse in La years ago, his mates were 546 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: once again welcome and made regular visits, some longer term 547 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: than others. Unable to keep Heath away from drugs, they 548 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: kept drugs away from Heath, chastising people who brought coke 549 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: to parties. 550 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 3: Put that shit away. 551 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: Heath can't see that, and they comforted him about the 552 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 2: split about being away from his daughter and fatherhood was 553 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: the only thing Heath knew he was good at without 554 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: an audience to tell him. So he missed his daughter 555 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: like a limb and the housekeeper let herself into heath 556 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: Soho pad around noon that day. She knew to always 557 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: expect guests, aussy boys passed out on the couch, a 558 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: supermodel making herself tea in the kitchen, but on this day, 559 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: Heath's door was closed. Maybe he's getting some rest, she thought. 560 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: At two thirty in the afternoon, He's massage therapist came 561 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: by and Neither the therapist nor the housekeeper wanted to 562 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: wake him, but Heath needed the massage. Treatments. Back pain 563 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: was constant. A good massage, many could skip some of 564 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: the pills. 565 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 3: When Heath didn't. 566 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: Respond and they worried, it took both of them to 567 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: force the door open, and they found him naked on 568 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 2: the floor, unresponsive, and the housekeeper told the massage therapists 569 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: to call an ambulance. But they both knew the things 570 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: the papers wrote about Heath. If there weren't paparazzi outside 571 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: the apartment already, sirens would drive them like flies to shit, 572 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: and Heath would wake up as the punchline of a 573 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: tabloid scandal. And to spare him embarrassment, his massage therapist 574 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 2: called the first number on a speed dial. She got 575 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 2: Mary Kate Olsen in the spotlight. Since she was nine 576 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: months old, Mary Kate Olsen was one half of America's 577 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: most notorious set of child star twins. She claimed she 578 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 2: and Heath were just friends, although anyone who's had to 579 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: pick nine, ride or Dies to put on speed dial 580 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: might suspect it was more significant. She was in la 581 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: when she got the call from Heath's massage therapists, but 582 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: rather than say hang up the phone and call a 583 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: fucking ambulance, she told him she would send her security. 584 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 3: Guy in New York. He'd be there in no time 585 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,239 Speaker 3: and get everything taken care of, and Mary Kate hung up. 586 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: The therapist called back and stressed that Heath was unconscious. 587 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: Mary Kate assured her the guy is on his way. 588 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 2: The massage therapist started to think they were beyond damage control. 589 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: Heath Ledger didn't seem to be breathing. The massage therapist 590 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: looked the naked body on the floor. She wasn't thinking 591 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: about tabloid headlines. She was thinking what the cops would 592 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: do if she let Heath Ledger die while she waited 593 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 2: for Mary Kate Olsen's guy to come over. As she 594 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: finally called an ambulance and then called Mary Kate back 595 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: to let her know. And by the time Mary Kate's 596 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: guy got there, the paramedics had already called it. 597 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 3: Heath Ledger was dead. At twenty eight. 598 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: Three hundred strangers stood on Broome Street, phones in the 599 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: air as the body bag came out. Stories spun out 600 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 2: in real time. A suicide, an overdose, Darren Banks and 601 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 2: Eric mong dug up the video they'd taken at the 602 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 2: Chateau Marmm and started shopping it to the highest bidder, 603 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: and they got a million for it before Banks's axe 604 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: Jane Doe hit them with a lawsuit. Director Terry Gilly 605 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: saw the news on the BBC. He figured it was 606 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 2: a delibered hoax stage by Warner Brothers in order to 607 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 2: promote The Joker. The studio had engaged in weird viral 608 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: marketing for The Dark Night since before Christmas. Christopher Nolan 609 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: was still editing the film, which earned Heath Ledger a 610 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: posthumous oscar. A year after his death, at a restaurant 611 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 2: in London, somebody told Jack Nicholson. 612 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 3: I warned him. 613 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: Jack said he refused to elaborate. It took weeks, but 614 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 2: the medical examiner labeled Heath Ledger's death an accidental overdose 615 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: of prescription medication, classic death by misadventure, a cocktail of 616 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: anti anxiety drugs, sleeping pills and painkillers. Investigators tracked down 617 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 2: Heath stalktors and accounted for most of the meds, but 618 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 2: the oxy codone that was in that cocktail of anti 619 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,959 Speaker 2: anxiety drugs shouldn't have been in the mix. Nobody should 620 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: have ever prescribed heath Ledger oxy codone, not with everything 621 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: else he was taking just to keep a shit together. 622 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 2: And the cops had questions, and so did the DEA. 623 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 2: Where did the drugs come from? Given the party traffic 624 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 2: in and out of his house, the suspect list would 625 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 2: need to include most of Lower. 626 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 3: Manhattan and Brooklyn. 627 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 2: Why they wanted to know did Mary Kate Olsen's security 628 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 2: guys show up on the scene at the same time 629 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 2: as the paramedics. Was he there to help or was 630 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: he there to clean up a mess? They wanted to 631 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 2: talk to the child star turned tabloid regular. Mary Kate's 632 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 2: lawyers said she wasn't sitting down for a chat without 633 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 2: guaranteed immunity, and that shit might have sounded acute in 634 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 2: her adorable full house days. But the DEA wasn't charmed. 635 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 2: They issued a subpoena that would force her to testify 636 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 2: in front of a grand jury where they could ask 637 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 2: her anything. Had she ever done illegal drugs? Had she 638 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 2: ever shared prescription medication with anyone? Mary Kate was in 639 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 2: the middle of a legal minefield. Asking for immunity in 640 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 2: advance was smart, even if it made her look shady 641 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: as fucked to folks who wanted someone to blame for 642 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 2: he's death. In the end, the US Attorney's Office deemed 643 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 2: there was no viable target, which is not the same 644 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 2: as saying no one was guilty. A year after his death, 645 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 2: his parents and sister walked to the stage of the 646 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 2: Kodak Theater in Hollywood to accept the Academy Award for 647 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 2: Best Supporting Actor. 648 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 3: On his behalf. 649 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 2: Behind them, an image of Heath as the Joker, looked 650 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 2: out on the audience. Heath's face was twenty feet high 651 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 2: with that smile he'd created in a hotel room, the 652 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 2: smile that lived inside him and that wouldn't let him sleep, 653 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 2: A smile that ought. 654 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 3: To be in pictures. 655 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 2: I'm Jake Brennan and this is hollywood Land. 656 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 4: Hollywood Land was created by Years Truly in his produced 657 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 4: in partnership with Double Elvis. Follow like, rate and review 658 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 4: hollywood Land wherever you get your podcast, and get in 659 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 4: touch with us on social media at double Elvis. 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