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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Exercise mom Missy Beavers stabbed dead with multiple puncture wounds

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Speaker 2: to the head and chest inside the local church. The

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Speaker 2: mom of three arrives around four a m. To teach

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Speaker 2: anaerobics class. Surveillance video actually catches her killer disguised in

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Speaker 2: full swat gear, and after watching the video, police suggest

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Speaker 2: the killer has an injured right foot. An unnamed male

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Speaker 2: colleague has his trash sifted through. But why Cops bring

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Speaker 2: in advanced stingray equipment to capture the killer's cell phone data,

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Speaker 2: but still no arrest. Who killed exercise mom? Missy Beaver's

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Speaker 2: good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Fitness instructor. Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the

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Speaker 3: early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas church.

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Speaker 4: The suspect captured on the Greeny surveillance video is still unidentified.

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Speaker 2: Wow, who killed Missy Beavers? After eight years, still no arrest.

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Speaker 2: First of all, listen.

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Speaker 5: To this first time surveillance captured the suspect on video

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Speaker 5: was about ten minutes before four am. Miss Beavers arrived

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Speaker 5: at about four sixteen in the parking lot and entered

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Speaker 5: the church immediately a few minutes later she was inside

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Speaker 5: the church, not realizing the intruder was already inside, and

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Speaker 5: shortly thereafter she was murdered inside of the church.

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Speaker 2: Who is intent on committing a murder at four o'clock

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Speaker 2: in the morning? Who lay in wait for exercise mom,

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Speaker 2: Missy Beavers?

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Speaker 1: This could not have been random?

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now. But first to Scott Brooks,

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Speaker 2: publisher for the walksahatchieesun dot com. Scott, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us bring us all up today. For those

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Speaker 2: that don't recall the murder on Missy Beavers, what happened well.

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Speaker 6: Early on a Monday morning corn down rain.

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Speaker 7: Missy was set up as usual to do her routines

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Speaker 7: or her class in a parking.

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Speaker 6: Lot of a local church on what is usually.

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Speaker 7: A busy highway between Waksahachim and looked in and given

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Speaker 7: that it was raining, she went inside to set up

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Speaker 7: and that's when she was killed.

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Speaker 6: That was only eighteenth, twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 7: I was sure, as the head of the local media

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Speaker 7: company then that whoever did it would be called within

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Speaker 7: maybe hours or days but here we are eight years

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Speaker 7: later and still completely unsolved. As far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 7: it just continues to be a bit of a cluster

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Speaker 7: of a mess in terms of solving this case.

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Speaker 1: That's one way to put it.

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Speaker 2: Over three thousand tips of come in on Missy Beaver's murder.

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Speaker 2: She leaves home in the early morning hour, still dark outside,

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Speaker 2: and she sends out a group text telling everybody, Hey,

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Speaker 2: we're still exercising gladiator style this morning, even though it's raining.

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Speaker 1: We're moving our class indoors.

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Speaker 2: And she goes in around four point fifteen am to

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Speaker 2: set up who in the hay is out in the

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Speaker 2: rain entering that church waiting for Missy Beaver's Listen.

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Speaker 5: As you probably already know, this case weighs very heavily

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Speaker 5: on us, our investigative team, our department. We know that

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Speaker 5: the community is hurting as well well. Committee to identifying

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Speaker 5: the person A person's responsible for Missy's death.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to rest until we do so.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now In addition to Scott Brooks from the

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Speaker 2: Walks of House, She's son is Renee Jones. Renee is

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Speaker 2: Missy's dear friend and coworker. Renee, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us as the pass and Missy's case is still unsolved.

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Speaker 1: What goes through your mind?

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Speaker 8: You're constantly trying to figure out who did it? Was

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Speaker 8: the car involved? Are the resources that we have enough?

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Speaker 8: You look at the facts, and although the facts are there,

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Speaker 8: the evidence is not. We know, like you said, we

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Speaker 8: know what times you arrived, we know what time the

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Speaker 8: perpetrator was in the church. But what we don't know

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Speaker 8: is who is this person, how did they arrive, did

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Speaker 8: the ultimate at the Swafa have anything to do with it?

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Speaker 8: And how did they get away without even being seen?

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Speaker 2: So many of the facts were out there in the

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Speaker 2: first months following Missy's murder. For instance, we see the perpetrator, Renee,

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Speaker 2: we know it had to be targeted. Who else would

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Speaker 2: be in the Midlothian church at that time of the day,

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Speaker 2: dressed in this get up, not looking for anything to steal,

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Speaker 2: just wandering around, wandering around until bam, they nearly collide

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Speaker 2: with Missy Beavers and then stab her dead. It's so

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Speaker 2: obvious to me, Renee, and we've looked at all the

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Speaker 2: usual suspects, many of them ruled out.

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Speaker 1: Who is this person? Renee? Do you believe it's a

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Speaker 1: man or a woman.

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Speaker 8: My gut kind of tells me it's a woman, and

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Speaker 8: I tend to rely on that a lot, but at

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Speaker 8: the end of the day, it could be man. You know,

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Speaker 8: it's really tough.

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Speaker 2: Joining us is forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

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Speaker 2: and star of a hit series podcast Bodybags with Joe

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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, you and I have poured over

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Speaker 2: the evidence in this case, and when you look at

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Speaker 2: the perp walking through the hall okay testing he she

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Speaker 2: doesn't even know what they're there for, obviously, so they're

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Speaker 2: clearly not coming here to steal anything. I mean, who

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Speaker 2: singles out the creekside in Lothian Church at four o'clock

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Speaker 2: in the morning for Pete's sake? I guarantee you what

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Speaker 2: they're looking for. It's where is Missy Beaver's going to

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Speaker 2: have her indoor class. That's what they're looking for. But

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Speaker 2: the person is slew footed, in other words, without deviation.

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Speaker 2: The right foot goes outward with every step. We know

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Speaker 2: the height, we know the approximate weight, We know that

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Speaker 2: this type of murder is typically committed by a man.

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Speaker 2: We know it's got to be somebody within that area

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Speaker 2: or arranged by someone in that area.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, what more can be done for Pete's sake?

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Speaker 9: I tell you this, the person that perpetrated this crime

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Speaker 9: had an awareness of that environment so much to the

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Speaker 9: point that they felt the need to cover their face,

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Speaker 9: so they knew that they would be in amongst cameras

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Speaker 9: with video surveillance. And here's another thing for me as

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Speaker 9: a former investigator, the idea of the timing. I don't

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Speaker 9: know about you, you know, but you know the idea

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Speaker 9: of getting up at this time of day lies kind

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Speaker 9: of outside the norm for most people, and that you

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Speaker 9: have to meet up there before she is arriving. So

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Speaker 9: this requires quite a bit of planning. I think that

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Speaker 9: that's rather obvious, and just to get this rig on

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Speaker 9: this person has, however they went about purchasing it. However

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Speaker 9: they went about acquiring it is going to be time

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Speaker 9: consuming as well. Did they do it out in the

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Speaker 9: parking lot. Did they do it at home, in the

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Speaker 9: safety of their home so that they could just hop

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Speaker 9: in the car and go. I think that those are

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Speaker 9: big indicators here.

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Speaker 1: The time of the day.

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Speaker 2: Even the weather outside suggests this was a targeted murder.

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Speaker 10: Listen, mid Lothian, Texas is having some severe weather, not

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Speaker 10: severe enough to prevent mother of three, Missy Beavers, early

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Speaker 10: morning fitness class. As she posts on Facebook, if it's raining,

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Speaker 10: we're still training. No excuses, you are gladiators, Missy informed students.

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Speaker 10: Because of the rain, they will be training inside the

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Speaker 10: church rather than the parking lot.

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Speaker 2: To Scott Brooks, joining US president, publisher walks out, how

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Speaker 2: she's son, Scott, She was in the peak. She was

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Speaker 2: at the peak of her physical powers. When she says

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Speaker 2: gladiator class, she minute, do you see those biceps on her?

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Speaker 2: My point is she could fight back Scott Brooks.

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Speaker 6: Yes, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 7: Missy was known in our community or her gladiator work.

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Speaker 6: In addition to being a mom and I'm just a

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Speaker 6: good person. She was a gladiator as you just said,

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Speaker 6: and took this stuff really.

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Speaker 1: Serious, Scott Brooks. At the time.

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Speaker 2: Of course, at the time of a homicide, all the

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Speaker 2: dirty laundry comes out. Just because there may have been

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Speaker 2: marital issues does not mean the husband is guilty. As

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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, her husband was, as I recall

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Speaker 2: on a gambling cruise with a group of his friends,

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Speaker 2: kind of a trip they did every year, which makes

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Speaker 2: me also think the killer knew the husband would be gone.

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Speaker 1: Of course, maybe did he plant? Did he hi hitman? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: anything's possible.

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Speaker 2: But no evidence that of that has ever emerged, even

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Speaker 2: though investigators have searched. Of course they looked the husband, lover,

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Speaker 2: boyfriend exs always the first suspect.

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Speaker 1: He was not in town or even in state.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to figure out what your thoughts

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Speaker 2: are on the marital problems because it opens up a

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Speaker 2: whole Pandora's box. If Missy Beavers had a boyfriend, did

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Speaker 2: the boyfriend's wife or girlfriend know? I mean, there's so

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Speaker 2: many avenues to investigate Scott.

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Speaker 7: The rumors have been from the absurd to the just

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Speaker 7: level of vicious, and.

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Speaker 6: I don't know any of those to be true. I

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Speaker 7: What Brandon has shared these years, and most recently two

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Speaker 7: months ago in a two part series interview with me,

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Speaker 7: he continues to reinforce, at least in my mind, that

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Speaker 7: he has nothing to do with Missy's murder, and both he.

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Speaker 6: And his father, who was kind of dragged into this

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Speaker 6: as a possible suspect. His father was in San Diego

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I recall that with the blood on the sure

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Speaker 2: that was taken to the laundry and it turned out

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Speaker 2: to be shihuahuah blood or something like that, it was

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Speaker 1: Guys, you're right.

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Speaker 2: The husband was on a fishing trip, a trip he

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Speaker 2: took annually. Which makes me wonder was someone reading Missy

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Speaker 2: Beaver's text to say a boyfriend, an alleged boyfriend, because

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go down the road with dragging

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Speaker 2: her through the mud. But in a murder investigation All's

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Speaker 2: Fair Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, did someone read a

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Speaker 2: text or an email from Missy saying my husband's going

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Speaker 2: to be gone. I'm curious and this is what we know.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Joe, Scott and Morgan. Hey, let me

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Speaker 2: throw this to Tom Smith joining us, former NYPD detective,

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Speaker 2: co host of gold Shields podcast, and you can find

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Speaker 2: him at the gold Shields Show.

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Speaker 1: This is what we've learned.

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Speaker 2: Now we all know how the FBI can determine a

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Speaker 2: height and weight of purp caught on video.

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Speaker 1: They look at the.

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Speaker 2: Purp, say, standing in a doorway, then they go to

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Speaker 2: that doorway, they measure let's just say, that fire extinguisher cabinet.

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Speaker 1: To your left. They go there and they.

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Speaker 2: Measure where the purp the height of that fire extinguisher,

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Speaker 2: and they can determine the height of the purp standing

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Speaker 2: beside it. See what I mean right there. That's just

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Speaker 2: one example. It's fairly easy to do. It takes a minute,

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Speaker 2: but we know the killer is between five to two

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Speaker 2: and five eight. They predominantly walk sleugh footed with their

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Speaker 2: toes pointed outward. Look, they're not there to steal anything.

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Speaker 2: Watch the gate watch this purp. Man or woman. Don't

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Speaker 2: know so, Tom Smith, you've watched this over and over

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Speaker 2: and over.

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Speaker 11: My initial thought was that it was a mail And

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Speaker 11: then the more I looked at it, the more I

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Speaker 11: looked at certain traits that were going on in the video,

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Speaker 11: I am comfortable thinking it's a female because of just

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Speaker 11: the walk. And the one thing that really stood out

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Speaker 11: she uses the hammer to break a window. Now, not

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Speaker 11: that females can wield a hammer like a male, but

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Speaker 1: You may like you throw a ball like a girl.

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Speaker 11: That, you know. And it's nothing against anybody, but just

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Speaker 12: I got another phone call from the scene from a

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Speaker 7: You did register that She meant like Missy had died.

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Speaker 12: It absolutely registered.

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Speaker 2: And I agree with Tom Smith, former NYPD the whole

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Speaker 2: And earlier Scott Brooks interviewing Missy's husband. Again, he was

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Speaker 2: And unless there's some intricate hitman plot that has never

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Speaker 1: So where does it leave us?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody would find it really easy to put it

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Speaker 1: That's what the documents say.

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Speaker 2: out of LA her new book, deal Breaker, went to

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Speaker 2: work on a relationship and when to walk away, Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. How many times have

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Speaker 2: I heard a defense attorney say every adulterer is not

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Speaker 1: Flip it. When you have a murder that.

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Speaker 2: so step back, think who else in that a fair circle,

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Speaker 13: Let's go back to the perp for a second man

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Speaker 13: probably not somebody who attended her fitness class, because if

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Speaker 13: this is very puffy tactical gear. This is not somebody

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Speaker 13: puts into the world of intimate relationships, because, Nancy, it's

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Speaker 13: in the context of intimate relationships that homicides occur most often.

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Speaker 13: I'm not talking about the husband, but think about it.

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Speaker 13: In our most intimate relationships that we feel despair, rage, betrayal, angers.

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Speaker 13: So this person, I think was leaked in some way

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, are you trying to sell me

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Speaker 13: No, I said the opposite. It's not somebody in her

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Speaker 2: How can you tell that they're garbed and you know

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Speaker 1: I can't tell anything in that. We don't even know

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Speaker 13: I don't know Nancy, this person just doesn't look like

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Speaker 13: a paragon of health. I can't even tell you.

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Speaker 1: Why, Okayne.

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Speaker 2: You know, Bethany, I respected you up until you said that,

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Speaker 2: because you're asking, you're telling me you don't think it

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Speaker 1: Because somebody that's.

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Speaker 2: Totally swathed in a want outfit, you can tell they're

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Speaker 2: not fit. You think everybody in an exercise class is fit.

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Speaker 1: I can guarantee you that's not true.

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Speaker 13: And Nancy, did you see pictures of Missy doing the

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Speaker 6: She was fit.

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Speaker 1: I know her. I'm talking about the you know what,

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Speaker 2: I did not expect your answer to be that what

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Speaker 2: I'm hearing. Renee Jones joining me. This is Missy Beaver's

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Speaker 6: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely I was.

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Speaker 8: And to be quite honest, Nancy, our training guidelines were

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Speaker 2: I find it really hard to believe, Renee, that anyone

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Speaker 2: in her exercise class that she was teaching her gladiator class.

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Speaker 2: Is you know, a better way to put it, killed her.

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Speaker 2: I mean there may have been some jealousy or some

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Speaker 1: I don't see it.

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Speaker 2: Always looked up to my fitness instructors, But I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the right direction.

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Speaker 8: I have to agree simply because the environment in the

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Speaker 2: Much has been made of the fact that Missy advertised

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Speaker 1: Now you would think that that could.

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Speaker 2: Attract hundreds of crazy pervs. But remember we're talking about Midlothian,

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Speaker 2: So who was looking at Missy Beaver's posting. Who knew

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: I want to go to Joe Scott Morgan joining US

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Speaker 2: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure

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Speaker 2: and forensic program. Joe Scott, Let's talk about the mode

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Speaker 2: of murder, Okay, multiple puncture wounds to the face, the head,

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Speaker 2: NYPD detective described, I think it would be a woman.

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Speaker 2: But the mode of murder, stabbing her in the face

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Speaker 9: This is an attempt I think at least to greatly

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Speaker 9: but these are punctures, which is completely different type of insult.

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Speaker 9: This instrument that they're talking about here, This hammer as

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Speaker 9: And what's fascinating about this is that this person goes

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Speaker 9: that that's very very intimate, Nancy. This ranks right up

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Speaker 2: Scott Brooks joining us for the Max hoche Son. Scott,

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Speaker 7: This before publicly, but I would, given the sources that

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Speaker 7: that Missy was killed with the screw and that while

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Speaker 6: Conform is that Missy was killed with a screwdriver. And

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Speaker 2: Okay, Scott Brooks, why are you saying screwdriver versus hammer?

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Speaker 2: Joining us now special guest doctor Michael Nirrenberg, podiatrists physician

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Speaker 2: Doctor Nienburgh, thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 14: Well, thank you Nancy for having me.

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Speaker 2: How did you get involved in the Missy Beaver's murder investigation?

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Speaker 14: Someone from the Midloleian Police Department and after that I

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Speaker 1: What happened, Doctor Dhrenberg.

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Speaker 14: So I was called in to look at the gate

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Speaker 4: Missy Beavers arrives at Creekside Church at four sixteen AM

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Speaker 4: unknown person uses force to get into the church when

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Speaker 4: he is first seen on video about three point fifty am.

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Speaker 3: Fitness instructor Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the

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Speaker 3: early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas Church.

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Speaker 4: The suspect captured on the grainy surveillance video is still unidentified.

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Speaker 2: Joining our special guest, doctor Michael Nirrenberg. Doctor Nireenberg was

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Speaker 2: brought in by police to assist with the FBI investigation.

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Speaker 1: The FBI showed doctor.

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Speaker 2: Nirrenberg video that has not been released to the public,

447
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Speaker 2: and it is very, very disturbing. In fact, it shows

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Speaker 2: Missy inside the church, Doctor Niirreenberg, What does the video

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Speaker 2: you saw depict all?

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Speaker 14: The video was sent to me as far as I know,

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Speaker 14: and there was video of Missy arriving at the church,

452
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Speaker 14: setting up in the church. But the most emotional disturbing

453
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Speaker 14: part for me was where she stops doing what she's doing.

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Speaker 14: She walks into another hallway and you can see her

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Speaker 14: sort of like cock her head a little bit, almost

456
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Speaker 14: like she hears something, and she's sort of looking like,

457
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Speaker 14: what does she hear? She hears something, There's something that

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Speaker 14: stops her cold, and it's almost like, and I'm sure

459
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Speaker 14: people can relate to when you're watching those horror films

460
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Speaker 14: and you want to yell at the screen, you know,

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Speaker 14: get out of the house, because sadly we know what's coming.

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Speaker 2: You know. Tom Smith joining me, former NYPD detective and

463
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Speaker 2: host of Goldshield's podcast. We spend so much time talking

464
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Speaker 2: about the evidence and the facts and the clues. But

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Speaker 2: do you hear what doctor Michael Nierenberg is saying that

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Speaker 2: there is additional video that he has seen that shows

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Speaker 2: Missy inside the church preparing for the class, and you

468
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Speaker 2: see her look like she hears something, and she does

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Speaker 2: she's hearing her killer.

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Speaker 1: We very rarely think.

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Speaker 2: About what she went through in the moments leading up

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Speaker 2: to her murder.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's disturbing and it's sad, but that goes to

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Speaker 11: the setup, like I was talking about, for you know,

475
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Speaker 11: everything's laid out to show or to give the appearance

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Speaker 11: of a break in, and maybe the perpetrator made a

477
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Speaker 11: sound to get her attention to come in that direction

478
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Speaker 11: and then did what they had planned to do the

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Speaker 11: whole time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to doctor Michael Narmerg joining us a physician and

481
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Speaker 2: surgeon forensic cadiatrist that was brought in on the Missy

482
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Speaker 2: Beavers murder investigation, Doctor Niermerg, you're telling me that the

483
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Speaker 2: additional video that has not been released to the public

484
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Speaker 2: shows Missy and the church preparing for her class.

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Speaker 1: What room is she in?

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Speaker 14: I do recall as where she walks out into the

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Speaker 14: hall and she starts walking down the hall and she

488
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Speaker 14: stops and you can see her like looking listening. You know,

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Speaker 14: she hears something, and you know, as a forensic scientist,

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Speaker 14: what we do is very dry, and it just brings

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Speaker 14: it home at the end of the day, that these

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Speaker 14: crimes are about, you know, people and what they experience,

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Speaker 14: and what your prior guest said. I actually took it

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Speaker 14: the other way that maybe I've often thought that maybe

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Speaker 14: the perpetrator was making noise because they did not think

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Speaker 14: anybody else.

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Speaker 6: Was in the church.

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Speaker 14: That was my not as a forensic pediatrist, but just

499
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Speaker 14: as a person thinking about the case over the years,

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Speaker 14: I actually thought the reverse, that.

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Speaker 6: He was making he or she was.

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Speaker 14: Making noise because they just didn't think anybody was there,

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Speaker 14: and somehow they got surprised by her finding them.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps curious, Is it true the FBI asked you to

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Speaker 2: study the video of the suspect and you actually had

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Speaker 2: an officer reenact what happened with and without the swat

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Speaker 2: suit or the body armor. Right.

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Speaker 14: So what I did when I first got the cases,

509
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Speaker 14: I went to my local police station. I'm out here

510
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Speaker 14: in northwest Indiana in a small towns and I went

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Speaker 14: to the police station, and I had a They agreed

512
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Speaker 14: to help, and the police officer who trains with SWAK

513
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 14: gear once a month, I videotaped him and took photos

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Speaker 14: of him walking with and without the police gear and

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Speaker 14: so so, and I actually put the gear on myself

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Speaker 14: at one point just to feel the weight of it,

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Speaker 14: and it was it was somewhat heavy. I forget the

518
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Speaker 14: exact weight of this gear, but I think it was

519
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Speaker 14: about forty pounds.

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Speaker 6: And I remember.

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Speaker 14: That that that the photos of him with and without

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Speaker 14: it actually showed him him shorter with with the with

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Speaker 14: the gear. When he was wearing the gear, it actually

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Speaker 14: shortened his height.

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Speaker 1: Question.

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Speaker 2: I call it solut footed. Some people call it duckfoot.

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Speaker 2: What percentage are a population?

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Speaker 14: Well there well, and what I call it is is

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Speaker 14: out toeing. So when you're looking at out toe amount

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Speaker 14: of the population, there's varying degrees of out toowed out towing.

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Speaker 14: And what's interesting here is when we look at gates,

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Speaker 14: some people only out toe when their feet are land

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Speaker 14: on the ground. Some people out toe as their foot

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Speaker 14: swings through the air, suggesting that the whole leg and

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Speaker 14: knee are turned outward through the swing. And if if

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Speaker 14: you look here through the swing, not just when the

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Speaker 14: feet are on the ground.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 14: There there's out towing to a to a significant degree.

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Speaker 14: You know, usually you see in most of the population

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Speaker 14: we were out towed about maybe ten degrees approximately or so.

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Speaker 14: So here you're seeing significant out toeing, and not just

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Speaker 14: when their feet are on the ground, but when they

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Speaker 14: swing that leg forward. You know, you look at the knee,

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Speaker 14: you look, you look at the the the arms. The

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Speaker 14: head is hanging slightly tilted. The head is slightly forward,

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Speaker 14: not directly back over the shoulders. One knee is stays

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Speaker 14: pretty much bent to a small degree. It doesn't completely

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Speaker 14: straighten the other the other knee straighter.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace got a question for you,

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Speaker 2: doctor in Nirrenberg. Isn't it true that as you say,

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Speaker 2: out toeing, as I say, slew footed typically manifests when

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Speaker 2: someone is younger, like a toddler up to adolescent.

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Speaker 1: You don't develop that gate later in life, do you.

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Speaker 14: That's a great question, Nancy, And most people are out

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Speaker 14: tod due to like you said, genetics, heredity, but other

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Speaker 14: things can happen. You can have a you can develop arthritis,

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Speaker 14: you can have an injury to your knee, your hip,

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Speaker 14: your back.

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Speaker 2: The majority of slew footed individuals have it as a youth,

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Speaker 2: a toddler to ten years it developed somewhere in that time.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? The majority?

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Speaker 14: I would I would say without researching it as a

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Speaker 14: as a estimate in my experience, the majority of people

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Speaker 14: it's when they're young this develops and then it stays

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Speaker 14: with them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, got it.

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Speaker 2: So my point is doctor to just bring it home,

569
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Speaker 2: is that whoever this is likely has wont like this

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Speaker 2: since they were a toddler, and therefore people.

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Speaker 1: Around them know they want like this.

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Speaker 2: Like I spot my husband's gate a mile away, I

573
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Speaker 2: don't have to see his face. I know it's him.

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00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: Same with my son, same with my daughter. By the

575
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Speaker 2: way she holds her arms when she walks, you know

576
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Speaker 2: this person, but no one is coming forward. This is

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Speaker 2: someone in Missy's circle, someone that is connected to her

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00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: or someone she's involved with, who killed Missy Beaver's to

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Speaker 2: Scott Brooks joining US President publisher walks a Hoachie's son.

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Speaker 1: Does it just burn you up? Does it bother you

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Speaker 1: that somebody has to know who this purp is?

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Speaker 2: Someone that is connected to Missy Beaver's to her exercise class.

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Speaker 1: No, not that.

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Speaker 2: No, it's someone more connected to her. This is not

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Speaker 2: a robbery gone wrong. Typically when burglars are found out,

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Speaker 2: they run, they leave, they don't grab a screwdriver and

587
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: murder the witness. Plus, this purp was completely swathed. There's

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Speaker 2: no way she would have recognized them. Are they wearing

589
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: like a motorcycle helmet?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 7: And to answer your first question, for eight years, I

592
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Speaker 7: have been I wouldn't say obsessed, but I've certainly made

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Speaker 7: a commitment to Missy's family or girls, or a husband

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Speaker 7: and former husband, that we weren't going to stop as

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Speaker 7: a media company, making sure that we kept this.

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Speaker 6: Thing alive, so to speak, and that we.

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Speaker 7: Have somebody in our community, in my opinion, on the

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Speaker 7: loose free who did this heinous thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, hey, back it up, Scott Brooks, he said,

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Speaker 2: somebody in the community.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I do not think that this was a hired hit

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00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: from you know, you didn't have the scorpion come in

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00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: from Columbia to kill Missy Beavers.

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Speaker 1: That's right, man, Someone in this.

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Speaker 2: Community, in this region and did this thing. And for

607
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Speaker 2: all these years, Dr Bethany Marshall, they have sat back

608
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Speaker 2: and enjoyed watching us try and figure it out and

609
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Speaker 2: buy God, somehow we've got to get this killer, Bethany,

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Speaker 2: how happy do you think they are watching us try

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Speaker 2: to catch them, Nancy.

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Speaker 13: Every time this crime gets covered, they get to live

613
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Speaker 13: and relive the excitement of the crime. This person enjoyed this,

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Speaker 13: as Joskine Morgan said, this was a very intimate, intimate attack.

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00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 13: It was full of rage, it was full of passion.

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Speaker 13: So this person is hiding in plain sight probably looks

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Speaker 13: sort of passive and slick and sort of harmless to

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Speaker 13: the community. But the community need to take a good

619
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Speaker 13: look around and see, you know, if there's a family

620
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Speaker 13: member or somebody that they know who's preoccupied with the crime,

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Speaker 13: because that could be a big clue. If somebody keeps

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Speaker 13: collecting data and watching and rewatching shows and interviews, that

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Speaker 13: suggests that there's still relishing in the act.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, you know what, and anybody on the panel

625
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: jump in if you watch this person. But when they pause,

626
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: they're not making a real effort to get any of

627
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Speaker 2: the into any of these doors that are locked.

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Speaker 1: They're like on the on the handle and they move on.

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Speaker 2: But at one point they pause there's one point where

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Speaker 2: the practically puts her hand on our hips.

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Speaker 1: I can practically see her.

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Speaker 13: MKINI bod I can too. Yeah, you have a really

633
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 13: good point, but also a woman who has masculine traits.

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Speaker 13: So as I said earlier that that can narrow the

635
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Speaker 13: pool somewhat, maybe somebody who's non binary.

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Speaker 1: Is actually giving me a headache.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Nirenberg, Scott Brooks, Joe Scott, Tom Smith, Doctor Bethany.

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00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: We have lived this case and it is burning me

639
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: up that we have all this knowledge, but we still

640
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: don't have an answer for anyone that knows or thinks

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00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: that they know any information regarding the brutal murder, the

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00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: puncture murder of Missy Beavers. I ask you to please

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Speaker 2: dial the Middle Lothian PD nine seven two seven seven

644
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: five seven six two four repeat nine seven two seven

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00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: seven five seven six two four and trust me, it

646
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: is never wrong to do the right thing. There is

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Speaker 2: a one hundred and fifty thousand dollars reward, and it's

648
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Speaker 2: never too late to do the right thing. Nancy Gray

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Speaker 2: signing off, good night friend,