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Speaker 1: It's awkward. It's Tuesday. It's an awkward Tuesday phone call.

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Speaker 1: My co host know me and a lot about my

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Speaker 1: dating life, and one of the things that I request

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Speaker 1: most when I put out the ads is something called

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Speaker 1: the third wheel. Now, that might mean something different the

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Speaker 1: way that I'm proposing it, So let's just put that

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Speaker 1: idea off to the side and you can all envision

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Speaker 1: what that means later.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to come back to it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I'm I'm all right, Well, that's your lost.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, what I want to talk about today are

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Speaker 1: the traditional third wheels in a relationship, because one of

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Speaker 1: our listeners, Rochelle, says she's dealing with an extreme case

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Speaker 1: of quote third wheelism. Uh oh, I'm not even quite

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Speaker 1: sure what that is, but she's on the phone to

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Speaker 1: explain it to us and how it relates to the

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Speaker 1: awkward phone call that she wants to make. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk to her. Rachelle, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hi, thank you guys. Are you have a.

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Speaker 4: Wheel or are you always on dates where a wheel

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Speaker 4: shows up?

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Speaker 5: No, I'm the wheel.

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Speaker 2: The more we say this analogy, it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: Why is there two wheels. I mean, were we only

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Speaker 2: riding bikes?

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Speaker 1: It was bicycles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very old.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't like the way that you said.

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Speaker 1: It's so defeated, like you're the wheel, like be proud

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Speaker 1: to be the wheel? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Who are you third wheeling all the time?

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Speaker 3: I'm third wheeling with my friend Darren. We've been super

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Speaker 3: close for a few years now and it's always been platonics,

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Speaker 3: but we do hang out all the time.

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Speaker 6: Okay, all right, And he's got a new girlfriend boyfriend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like two years ago Darren met so when a

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Speaker 3: music festival and I was actually there too. Her name's Ada,

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Speaker 3: and she's awesome Mike.

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Speaker 6: Girls, especially when like the new girl too, isn't jealous,

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Speaker 6: Like it's all what a great, healthy place to be.

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Speaker 1: Do you approve of his new girl?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, choose the best. And the last couple

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Speaker 3: of years their relationship has just been like moving and

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Speaker 3: it's been positive and great between them. And I know

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Speaker 3: this sounds weird to other people, but I've been on

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Speaker 3: like a lot of their dates with them.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, that's a little unusual, like that.

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Speaker 6: Group hangouts like just they're at a romantic dinner and

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Speaker 6: then you're sitting sitting there too.

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Speaker 3: The thing is we're like all hanging out at their apartments,

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Speaker 3: and then if they're going to dinner, they'll just be like, hey, Rishall,

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Speaker 3: why don't you come to dinner with us?

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Speaker 5: You know we'd love to hack you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, almost almost feel bad to like not invite your friend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, come with us. You can stay like we

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Speaker 2: want a night alone. You don't want to date night.

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Speaker 5: See that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: They never say that. Okay, I'll be like no, sing,

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Speaker 3: I'm fine and whatever, but they're like super adamant. They're like,

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Speaker 1: It's like they're more comfortable when you're on the date

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Speaker 2: Sorry for her. It's like yeah, yeah, everything needs to

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Speaker 2: be So where are you at now with all this?

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Speaker 3: Well, eventually it just became like a super regular thing

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Speaker 5: So like if they go.

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Speaker 3: Mini golfing or they go to the fair, I would

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Speaker 3: just tag along. I hold the giant stuff animals that

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Speaker 3: they win.

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Speaker 2: You're the adult child that they don't have.

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Speaker 1: Essentially, yeah, so it sounds like maybe you're not animal

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a little bit weird. Like we've even

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Speaker 6: I mean, I assume he does actually want you there right,

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Speaker 6: I was kidding about it.

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Speaker 5: He does.

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Speaker 3: He texted me and asked me if I could come

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Speaker 6: Well, you need somebody to take the photo and do

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Speaker 1: So it makes total sense. Have you learned from Darren

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Speaker 1: like what he wants from you in this proposal situation?

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Speaker 1: Like how involved do you need to be?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean at first I thought it was a joke,

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Speaker 3: at first, like my initial reaction was no, and then

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Speaker 1: Soon, okay. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Do you know is he inviting other people. I mean,

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Speaker 1: We invited to be part of the proposal.

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Speaker 3: It would just be me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So he said you wanted you to think about it.

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Speaker 1: Have you thought about it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And I just I think no. I think their proposal

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Speaker 3: And at a certain point they need to go and

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Speaker 3: do stuff without me. And plus I need to go

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Speaker 3: and find my own guy to branch off with.

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Speaker 2: Okay, please don't make sure they have a camera person.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 3: That's why I need your help, because I don't know

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Speaker 2: It's like you're breaking up with two people right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know. Yeah, well you're not even fully breaking up.

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Speaker 1: You're just get a little bit of distance.

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Speaker 2: You want to be friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so we're about to call your friend Darren

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Speaker 6: I don't know why I keep imagining you holding his

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Speaker 1: On one day, let's say, together, whisper it into her ear,

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Speaker 1: and then you whisper it into my girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: I think that that is a really good thing that

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Speaker 1: Turn this down.

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Speaker 6: Okay, healthy, and we don't do a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of healthy things in relationships on this show, So.

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Speaker 2: I really have to come up with some advice what

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Speaker 1: You're giving us quite the We're gonna think of some

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Speaker 1: good advice to give you. Will come back and let

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Speaker 1: you make your awkward Tuesday phone call right after this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: hold on, Okay, it's awkward.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: It's an awkward Tuesday phone call. A marriage proposal is

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Speaker 1: one of the most memorable moments between a woman, a man,

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Speaker 1: and that man's best friend. Right, that's what they say,

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Speaker 1: human best friend. Even I'm not even talking about a dog,

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Speaker 1: because if you miss part one, our listener, Rochelle was

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Speaker 1: recently asked to be the third wheel at her best

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Speaker 1: friend Darren's upcoming proposal. He wants to do it this weekend,

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Speaker 1: and after hearing about their two year long relationship, not.

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Speaker 2: His relationship with the woman's.

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Speaker 2: But he's not really taking no for an answer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And she said no and was like, just think

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to be a part of the proposal. She

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Speaker 1: wants that to be their moment, which is exactly what

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Speaker 1: a good friend does.

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Speaker 2: Totally absolutely and Brooke, you're.

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Speaker 1: My good friend. That's nice, not a crush, so a friend.

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Speaker 1: What's your advice to Rachelle about how to politely decline

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 6: I was thinking why Darren would want you there so badly?

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Speaker 6: And my only guess is that he's scared, and he's nervous,

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Speaker 2: You know, do you think?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm assuming that's just what he wants. I

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Speaker 6: Okay, So what if we use this time to hype

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Speaker 2: You can send him out into the world.

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Speaker 3: A fly.

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Speaker 1: Over confidence.

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Speaker 2: Are you just a really good time?

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Speaker 1: So Book's advice is to hype him up so big

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Speaker 1: some advice? Well, I think everyone knows. Life kind of

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, let's just say your guys' era as a

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Speaker 1: You know what a good way to start the new season. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and turn it into like a positive thing. This is

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Speaker 1: a growth in your guys' relationship and friendship. Say there's

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Speaker 1: a growth, but yes, how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, whatever, We'll get him to just

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Speaker 5: Win with them in a couple of years.

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Speaker 6: She says.

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Speaker 2: If he's started to sound a little pathetic the more

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Speaker 2: you talk about it.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna step away and let you make your

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Speaker 1: on the phone if we feel like you need a

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Speaker 1: little help though. Okay, Okay, all right, good luck.

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Speaker 2: This could be great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, goodbye? Here we go.

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Speaker 3: Hello, hey Darren, how are you?

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Speaker 5: Oh, Rachelle? Just a girl? I was looking for what.

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Speaker 3: Fordy?

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Speaker 6: You see?

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Speaker 3: How's everything?

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Speaker 5: Come on? Now you know how everything is? Have your

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Speaker 5: thought about what I said? You know, composed? Will come on?

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Speaker 3: Tell me in the game of talk. Yeah I thought

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, great? You thinking? Yeah? Yeah, that's not as good.

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Speaker 5: Do you think that we should do it like at

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Speaker 5: Like because I know she loves it when she sees

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Speaker 3: Well right, you know, no daring do it at her

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Speaker 5: Okay, great, it's like great, it's like but just you

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Speaker 5: being there, it's gonna be so special. Like that's gonna

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, look, don't you think it's a little bit

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Speaker 5: What you know, you've been super involved in our life

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Speaker 5: and you know, what are you talking about? Weird? Girls

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, and I you know. This has

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Speaker 5: I mean, it has been such a great area. You

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Speaker 5: Remember we got in that tandem bicycle accident. It's like

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Speaker 5: all of us, all of us together, We've been on everything.

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Speaker 5: You even came over. I remember you that you got

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Speaker 5: Then we were so messed up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you were.

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Speaker 5: You were a rack. And then like you know you did,

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Speaker 5: we did our big friendship milestone party.

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Speaker 3: You remember that, Darren. I just need you to shut

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Speaker 5: Please, Okay, Look, I'll shut up. You know how aunty

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Speaker 5: I get. I'm nervous, I'm excited and all I'm anxious.

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Speaker 3: So I'm my bad. Yeah, like you just kind of

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Speaker 3: sprung this up on me. I don't even I don't

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Speaker 5: I don't know where you're got.

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Speaker 4: You I got.

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Speaker 5: I'm gona tell You'm gonna tell you'n'a tell you you.

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Speaker 5: Ki's my idea. I made shirts, and I want you

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Speaker 5: to be one of the shirt bears. You know you're

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Speaker 5: gonna stand up, take off my jacket, my shirt, gonna say, look,

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Speaker 5: it's so cute. Tell me if you love this. I

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Speaker 5: know you will. My shirt gonna say will you and

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Speaker 5: shirt goes marry me.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, more romantic than we thought.

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Speaker 2: She's actually the proposal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the big question, what's going on?

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Speaker 5: I heard something?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Darrenel you're on a radio show right now

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Speaker 5: Hey, what's.

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Speaker 2: We heard everything? We were listening in, Darren.

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Speaker 1: Rachelle is our friend too, and.

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Speaker 2: You are so cute and excited.

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Speaker 1: We're all very excited for you and your girlfriend Ada

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Speaker 1: to get engaged. That sounds awesome. And Chelle is on

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean well, y'all if y'all heard everything, she

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you caught on tonight.

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Speaker 1: There is a little bit of hesitation on her side,

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Speaker 5: She does every time we talked through these things, gonna

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Speaker 1: I got it. Yes, you're allot of personality, Darren, and

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. But I do think Rachelle has some things

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Speaker 3: I'm super happy for you and Ada I'm flattered that

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Speaker 3: I just think that this one time really needs to

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Speaker 5: And Chelle, look, look, I mean I can simplify this.

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Speaker 5: We don't have to complicate it. How about I just

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Speaker 5: to it.

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Speaker 6: Oh okay, so you put all of will you marry me?

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Speaker 2: On your shirt?

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Speaker 6: Well, just in case Adie doesn't see it.

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Speaker 1: I like that that you're trying to work with this, Darren.

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Speaker 1: But I think what Rachelle's trying to say is she

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Speaker 6: And that's admirable, you know, it's admirable of her to

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Speaker 6: realize that. And and isn't it what you really want to?

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Speaker 5: Oh all right, look come on, Chelle, it's even beyond me.

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Speaker 5: Now what about Ada. Ada loves you, and she gonna

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Speaker 5: be disappointed, you know, she would be absolutely Look, you know,

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Speaker 5: she will be excited to have you. And then when

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Speaker 5: it's your turn, she says she'll even be involved in

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Speaker 1: You get shirtsman, did you know this?

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Speaker 6: I mean.

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Speaker 5: Your gonna beat there for you too.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a really sweet friend.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if it's what she wants, but it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, it's kind of up to you. Rachelle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I just you could do it.

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Speaker 5: Russia.

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Speaker 1: Somehow, Brook He's turned out to be her hype man.

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Speaker 6: I was very wrong about the confidence they think that

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Speaker 6: Darren is so good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is not nervous.

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Speaker 1: Clearly he's really He's all in, and so is Ada.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Rachelle?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's obviously super important Darren. I'll do

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Speaker 3: it okay, Like, oh my gosh, the studio audience is

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Speaker 6: So how was this harder to convince a woman to

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Speaker 6: do than actually marry you?

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Speaker 2: Freaking Jeffrey in the morning.