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Speaker 2: OH Show. The Lakers lose big in Utah.
Speaker 1: After dismantling Utah just a few days ago, they mose
Speaker 1: by twelve, snapping the six game win streak they headed
Speaker 1: til they all start breaked. Thirty two twenty Alex the
Speaker 1: Lakers side Alex Lynn seven foot tall, two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty pounds of sorryness.
Speaker 2: But the big old that was hell. That wasn't what
Speaker 2: was in there. I just read that just came to it.
Speaker 1: The Lakers needed much size of the fisicality, which he
Speaker 1: did not provide. After the Knicks trade with Mark Williams
Speaker 1: and the Charlotte Hornets, they wage Christian Woods to create
Speaker 1: an open roster spot. He missed the season after recovering
Speaker 1: from off season surgery. But tonight was a tough first
Speaker 1: start for Alex Land, who did not do a whole lot.
Speaker 1: Got some good cardio in other than that, twenty two minutes,
Speaker 1: two of five, two offensive ReBs, so he had seven
Speaker 1: rebounds to assists, one block, and three personal files. Not much,
Speaker 1: not much, not much. It probably just met the team yesterday.
Speaker 1: The Lakers had no interior presence with help on the
Speaker 1: court loud the Utah Jazz to shoot fifty two percent
Speaker 1: from the floor. Laurie Marketing was eleven of eighteen, six
Speaker 1: to ten from the three, to four from the free
Speaker 1: throw line, thirty two points plus thirty five. Walker Kessler
Speaker 1: plus twenty three. He had sixteen points. Jordan Clarkson had
Speaker 1: twenty three points. He was plus thirty three. Tonight just
Speaker 1: wasn't it o y'all? And we knew this was gonna
Speaker 1: be a problem because of the ability to defend, and
Speaker 1: right now they don't really have guys. You look at
Speaker 1: the guys, they don't have defensive guys. I don't know
Speaker 1: why they only lied unless Jackson Hayes got hurt. I
Speaker 1: don't know why he only played seven minutes, but he
Speaker 1: left the ball game and didn't come back in. He
Speaker 1: was two or two from the field, seven points, no
Speaker 1: excuse me, seven minutes with four points. But they can't
Speaker 1: defend on your Austar Reeve struggle shooting the three tonight,
Speaker 1: so that Luca. But Luca's gonna take a while. He's
Speaker 1: been out almost eight seven. Yeah, he's been out for
Speaker 1: a minute. Yes, it's Christmas, so it's gonna take him
Speaker 1: a while to get his rhythm back.
Speaker 2: But they didn't. They didn't defend.
Speaker 1: And when you don't defend it, you don't shoot the ball, well,
Speaker 1: you end up going down by twenty four to twenty
Speaker 1: six points. He end up losing by twelve. But the
Speaker 1: game really wasn't closed. Don't let the final score fool you.
Speaker 1: The game was not dis close, all right.
Speaker 4: But listen, the Lakers as opposed to the last game.
Speaker 4: As opposed to the last game, the Lakers came out flat.
Speaker 4: They came out flat. They played very uninspired. Obviously, Jackson
Speaker 4: Hayes only getting seven minutes having what maybe four points
Speaker 4: were but the four to six points something like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, four points in three minutes.
Speaker 4: Ever since he where ever, since he was out of
Speaker 4: the game, I think he's the only defending presidents that
Speaker 4: could really be inside the paint and be able to
Speaker 4: defend to some extent. After that, it was just a
Speaker 4: god damn layup line basically for the Utah Jazz layup anddults.
Speaker 2: Hey, how many longs?
Speaker 1: How many loves did you see? I mean they throw
Speaker 1: a log from out of back. It was love city.
Speaker 1: It was love city now.
Speaker 4: Also, one of the things you have to notice about
Speaker 4: this game too, When the Jazz played the Lakers, the
Speaker 4: first time, they turned the ball over I think maybe
Speaker 4: eighteen nineteen plus times.
Speaker 2: This game, they were able to protect the ball a
Speaker 2: little bit more.
Speaker 4: They didn't have as many turnovers, and obviously with the
Speaker 4: Lakers coming out as flat as they did and the
Speaker 4: Jazz being efficient as they were from the line, I forgot.
Speaker 2: I think Collier had twenty Uh what was it? Why
Speaker 2: you say LRD marketing?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, marketing and Young Bull was balling man, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: Young Young Bull was balling.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He versatile, he could score, he can rebound, he can facilitate,
Speaker 1: yeah he I mean he's been an All Star, he's
Speaker 1: been an All Star. We know Jordan Clarks again who
Speaker 1: heating up with the best of them. John Collins had
Speaker 1: a nice game tonight, seventeen points, eight rebounds and assists,
Speaker 1: two blocks. But uh, yeah, you could tell early on
Speaker 1: the show the way the Lakers came out. They came
Speaker 1: out really with no enthusiasm. They didn't defend. Uh, they
Speaker 1: didn't attack the basket. They look at the free throws.
Speaker 1: They called free throws and you're seventeen to thirty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, Lucas is gonna take luc a
Speaker 4: little minute to get going, Yeah, to get this rhythm back. Also, bree,
Speaker 4: if you're gonna have games like this, you're gonna have
Speaker 4: games like this. It's hard to be on every single night.
Speaker 4: It's hard to be on it recent the night, and
Speaker 4: tonight just happened to be one of those nights where
Speaker 4: he was.
Speaker 1: Now he had played well, he had Reeves had really
Speaker 1: played well, say, the last eight to ten ball games.
Speaker 1: He'd been really well, had a career high forty five points,
Speaker 1: and when Luca and Lebron were both out of the game,
Speaker 1: played well the other night when Luca first got there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he had a down night tonight. He didn't
Speaker 2: shoot the ball.
Speaker 1: He ended up with fifteen or eleven assists, did a
Speaker 1: great job of facilitating, only had one turnover, so you
Speaker 1: can live with that. But he didn't shoot the ball well.
Speaker 1: He was one a team from the three point line.
Speaker 1: Jackson Hayes left with a facial contusion, so that's probably
Speaker 1: why you got a Land playing probably more minutes than
Speaker 1: you really wanted him to play. Koloco also got nine minutes.
Speaker 1: But they just don't have bigs. They don't have bodies
Speaker 1: to really throw at people. And the guys that they
Speaker 1: throw out there, that's all they're doing. They're throwing out there.
Speaker 1: Jackson Hayes is really a guy you don't, I mean,
Speaker 1: none of their bigs. You run offense for o Joe
Speaker 1: did run lobs. Get it off there a you on points,
Speaker 1: get it off the rim, offensive rebound and put it
Speaker 1: back in. That's how you gonna get your points, because
Speaker 1: we're not running anything for you right now.
Speaker 4: Obviously, I think if Jackson Hayes is there, he's some
Speaker 4: type of defensive presence. Obviously with his length, Yes, he's tall,
Speaker 4: and the Lincoln just couldn't seem to keep up with
Speaker 4: the pace that Jazz had the whole game.
Speaker 1: Well they got they you know what, they end up
Speaker 1: taking the lead because the Jazz had a little stroy
Speaker 1: a scoring drop and that's what happened.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a game of run.
Speaker 1: The Lakers got their run and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like they relaxed, wouldn't play any defense, and lay up,
Speaker 1: lay up, dunk, lay up, three three three three three.
Speaker 1: The next thing you know, back in the game is
Speaker 1: blown wide open. Yeah, but they're gonna have to do
Speaker 1: a better job. JJ is gonna have to find a combination. Look,
Speaker 1: he's trying to he's searching right now. The three guys
Speaker 1: that you're not gonna start is probably Reeve, Luca and Lebron. Uh.
Speaker 1: We'll see mixing match with Jackson Hayes. Probably Ruin is
Speaker 1: gonna be that the other guy that starts. But Van
Speaker 1: de Belts go, oh that rough on him tonight. Brodny
Speaker 1: got in it at mop up time, got him a
Speaker 1: nine quick point hit two three, one or two from
Speaker 1: the free throw line.
Speaker 2: Nice little float like flow to let float in the pain.
Speaker 2: He looked he looked good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he looks very comfortable, look very comfortable, very poor,
Speaker 4: very confident, especially in the shot selection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's hard for me to believe that the
Speaker 1: White House wouldn't be better than than than Alex Linn.
Speaker 2: It's hard to be to believe. I ain't said he
Speaker 2: gonna be.
Speaker 1: We don't need the white See people say, well, you
Speaker 1: keep talking about Dwhite. You don't need the White Howard
Speaker 1: to be Orlando Magic Dwhite Howard.
Speaker 2: He can't, nor should you expect that from him.
Speaker 1: But what they got, So you can't tell me the
Speaker 1: White how And can't be better than the collocual. Really,
Speaker 1: he can't be better than Alex Linn. That's all we
Speaker 1: ask him to be better than that. Not be all NBA,
Speaker 1: not be Defensive Player of the Year, not be that,
Speaker 1: just be better than that.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, okay, okay, I say, I see what I'm saying. Okay,
Speaker 4: I have a question for you. Then, So, how long
Speaker 4: obviously we have to all star breaking up right now?
Speaker 4: How long has Bake just figured it out? How long
Speaker 4: had the jj F is out? What pieces he need
Speaker 4: to be able to contend each and every night?
Speaker 1: Or you're not contending this, this team, this this roster
Speaker 1: is not built to contend. It all depends on who
Speaker 1: you get in the first round matchup you Mike and
Speaker 1: stell you Mike, and still I mean Luke and Lebron,
Speaker 1: Mike can steal it.
Speaker 2: But that's as far as you're going.
Speaker 1: You're not beating in the team to have You're not
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be okay, see not not with this right,
Speaker 1: You're definitely not you and you what you're gonna do
Speaker 1: with yoke? Now, Jamal Murray went crazy to night. He
Speaker 1: had fifty five. Jokich had a quiet night. They said, Jamal,
Speaker 1: I've been carrying you know, I've been doing what I do.
Speaker 2: Take it over.
Speaker 1: He drop fifty five and everybody knows Jamal Murray can
Speaker 1: get habachi ha.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he got that tonight. But no, they're not.
Speaker 2: They're not. They're not. They're not really you know, doing anything,
Speaker 2: not with this roster.
Speaker 1: Not like I said, Lebron and Luca could probably get
Speaker 1: hot and can steal yours a series, but after that
Speaker 1: that's where the buck stops. They're not they're not good
Speaker 1: enough to really do anything. They don't defend at a
Speaker 1: high enough level. Now, they can't control the clock, they
Speaker 1: control the pace of the game. Both of these guys
Speaker 1: with the ball in their hands can control it, but
Speaker 1: I just don't. I just don't see enough on the
Speaker 1: on the defensive end, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it still comes down to defense win championships, and they
Speaker 1: don't have nearly enough.
Speaker 2: So DA they're going to the break called the loss.
Speaker 1: But they had won sixth straight, so they win the
Speaker 1: last six or seven and uh one to one nineteen,
Speaker 1: they have to be pleased. At thirty two and twenty
Speaker 1: a lot better than what they were last year. At
Speaker 1: the All Star Game, we'll see what they do. Lucas
Speaker 1: get some time off. Lebron is the only one going
Speaker 1: to the All Star Game, so it'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see what the guys do with their time going into
Speaker 1: the break. But I ain't like what I saw tonight.
Speaker 1: I ain't even litch it. I didn't even hold you
Speaker 1: on that old Joe. I didn't like what I saw tonight.
Speaker 2: And listen, it's so funny how the game of basketball works. Listen,
Speaker 2: you play.
Speaker 4: You played two three nights ago, happy, having many nice
Speaker 4: and was you come back and playing the exact same team,
Speaker 4: exact same personnel, and you come out completely flat.
Speaker 2: You look completely different. Turnovers you did, they did, turnover
Speaker 2: and they didn't get back.
Speaker 1: Nobody got back there loafed like babe, I ain't getting
Speaker 1: no foul, and they moping. And you know, I wish
Speaker 1: Lebron would stop doing that because sometimes, you know, he
Speaker 1: turns the ball over, he doesn't get a call that
Speaker 1: he thought he should have got bro get back and
Speaker 1: he don't.
Speaker 2: He lagging back and then they busted three. Well, you
Speaker 2: gotta understand now he's a little older in as man,
Speaker 2: you know, having having a shoot back down that court
Speaker 2: every time the ball is turnover. When you when you say, hey,
Speaker 2: all I'm saying is don't walk.
Speaker 1: Okay, I ain't saying you gotta be speedy gunzales, but
Speaker 1: just don't walk. Just don't walk. Give me, give me
Speaker 1: a little bit more effort because the guys are looking.
Speaker 1: You can't miss a shot. Get mad they didn't call
Speaker 1: a foul, mope down, and then transition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1: Brandon Ingram declined one hundred and sixty million dollars with
Speaker 1: the Pelican, only to accept one hundred and twenty million
Speaker 1: dollars with the Raptors.
Speaker 2: But listen, I have a question.
Speaker 4: Uh, I don't know in what world Chad y'all stay
Speaker 4: with me real quick. Now, I don't know in what
Speaker 4: world whereas that bad? We leave forty million dollars on
Speaker 4: the table and choose to go somewhere else. You ain't
Speaker 4: nobody for the see and tell me. Listen, I just
Speaker 4: I just left New Orleans for a week, six six,
Speaker 4: seven days straight. You ain't gonna tell me based on
Speaker 4: what I saw in that wonderful city. Culture, the people,
Speaker 4: the food, the architecture, the history.
Speaker 2: That's you.
Speaker 1: You ain't playing You don't want to be there. You
Speaker 1: ain't playing basketball? What the devil is alive? Who you
Speaker 1: just saw tyree You just saw ty Reid complain making
Speaker 1: thirty two million in Miami with all that water, with
Speaker 1: all that nice web, with all the women down there,
Speaker 1: he complained.
Speaker 2: Now you want to try again?
Speaker 4: Not wait a minute now, now listen, Now that's apple ourtist.
Speaker 4: You talk about two different scenarios. You talk about the
Speaker 4: Tybreek Hill that just came off a season that was
Speaker 4: nothing like like he felt it should have been. You
Speaker 4: had a quarterback that gotten hurt, He wasn't get the
Speaker 4: ball like he felt he should.
Speaker 2: He was frustrated. Stay with me. He was frustrated about
Speaker 2: for one, not putting up the numbers he should have.
Speaker 4: Two, not getting the ball the way he should at three,
Speaker 4: he got in front of that camera before he cooled down.
Speaker 2: That's called them rule number one.
Speaker 4: After the game, you make sure you go take a
Speaker 4: shower and calm down before you say anything you shouldn't
Speaker 4: say before you get in front of that camera. Now,
Speaker 4: you're not gonna tell me that New Orleans is that bad,
Speaker 4: even if you do play the game of basketball to
Speaker 4: the point where you know what, I'm not coming I'm
Speaker 4: not coming back here. I'm not signing the here. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna leave forty million dollars on the table. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go somewhere else and play for one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1: Not going somewhere else. He went to Canada. He went
Speaker 1: to another country because he want to win. You say, frustration.
Speaker 1: Who wants to be there? You see Zion? You think
Speaker 1: Zion want to be in New Orleans? I mean if
Speaker 1: I mean, hold on, did Anthony? Did Anthony Davis want
Speaker 1: to be in New Orleans? So I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: figure out that the players that they've had that wanted
Speaker 1: to be there. You say, you can't understand why, because
Speaker 1: I want to win. I can't win there. Well listen,
Speaker 1: but you know what the honest that's a that's on management.
Speaker 1: Manager needs to make make it.
Speaker 4: A place, some kind of way, some shape way, film
Speaker 4: form of fashion where people want to come.
Speaker 2: He means to do what you need to do, because
Speaker 2: see it's great for you. Ojo.
Speaker 1: If you're a tourist, I'm trying to whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa whoa.
Speaker 2: I ain't no goddamn tourist. I'm from New Orleans. I'm
Speaker 2: from you.
Speaker 1: A tourist, you go down there for a couple of days,
Speaker 1: you get to eat the food, you get to get.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, these guys got to live it. They
Speaker 1: want to win. That's not that New Orleans is not
Speaker 1: conducing for winning. It's okay, that's not a knock on
Speaker 1: the city.
Speaker 2: I got you.
Speaker 1: But who But let me ask you a question. What
Speaker 1: big time Fridge decided with New Orleans. Oh wait, you
Speaker 1: just said take your time till we got time. We
Speaker 1: just getting started. Tell me the big time Fridge and
Speaker 1: decide of the New Orleans.
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying, but you didn't hear what
Speaker 4: I said, first, the onus is management creating an environment
Speaker 4: where people want to come to You know, there was
Speaker 4: a time where people didn't want to come to the heat.
Speaker 4: You know they was they always wanted to come to
Speaker 4: the first of all, Wait, first of all finished?
Speaker 1: How many big only think you traded for Jimmy Butler?
Speaker 1: I mean you got Jimmy and Lebron was Lebron was?
Speaker 1: But Bron ended up being a trade. He did them
Speaker 1: a solid. They didn't get KD. They didn't get no
Speaker 1: big mother free agents. So why you over the huff
Speaker 1: for the putment took by coming to Miami?
Speaker 2: Where win? Who? Let mean let me finish? Let me finish. Okay,
Speaker 2: there was a time where nobody wanted to come to Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 5: Oh, don't nobody have a problem. They still don't. May
Speaker 5: stopped playing? Yes what big time pridgees, y'all got all
Speaker 5: of them want to come? I said, they want to come.
Speaker 5: The timely hasn't been right for them to Oo don't
Speaker 5: you say they want to come. I'm just telling you
Speaker 5: I'm not an I don't sit on no tree. I
Speaker 5: can't throw the head all the way around.
Speaker 2: Lit put it to me.
Speaker 4: The big the big free agents that that have been
Speaker 4: that that have been available. You listen to me, that's
Speaker 4: where they wanted to go. They just didn't say anything
Speaker 4: public and then it didn't work out in their favor.
Speaker 2: Why didn't they go? I just told you didn't work
Speaker 2: out in their favor? Why money? So you want so?
Speaker 1: In other words, they want to go to Cincinnati knowing
Speaker 1: they're not gonna get paid, knowing Mike Bride has been cheap,
Speaker 1: knowing the Bengals have been cheap.
Speaker 2: They're entire they entire existed.
Speaker 4: But I'm not really I'm just I'm just telling you. Now, Listen,
Speaker 4: who's a who's the owner? Who's the owner?
Speaker 2: In New Orleans? Who's the owner?
Speaker 4: The Pelicans? Miss Gail Benson, mister Benson. Wait Gail, Miss
Speaker 4: Gail Benson at Gail? Yes, Oh that man, that's cook girl.
Speaker 2: You for real?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, man, I gotta I gotta talk to them, miss Benson.
Speaker 4: I gotta tell them in Benson because listen what I
Speaker 4: saw in New Orleans, there's no reason why two things
Speaker 4: can't coexist. The Pelicans have an a winning of winning mentality,
Speaker 4: and it all starts at the top. To go along
Speaker 4: with the goddamn city that is winning itself.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: But the hell I saw the past week I was
Speaker 4: out there. I told you I'm from the Seventh Water,
Speaker 4: I'm from Uptown now, I'm from uptown. Matter of fact,
Speaker 4: you want to.
Speaker 1: Go with me?
Speaker 2: Uh uh in March for what? Uptown Uptown Super Sunday. No, Well,
Speaker 2: let me ask you a question, don't yo talk to me?
Speaker 1: How many big time Forridge you signed with the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Oh you at oh Night?
Speaker 2: That's a place to be, ain't it all? How many
Speaker 2: big times for basketball? Fridge just signed there? Hey, they
Speaker 2: don't have a they don't have a winning environment. They
Speaker 2: have a winning city. Though.
Speaker 4: The aesthetics are very pleasing outside of the arena, I
Speaker 4: can tell you that I don't go that often. I'm
Speaker 4: just telling you what somebody told me. I ain't telling
Speaker 4: you what I know. I'm telling you what I heard
Speaker 4: at Lanta is a beautiful place.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: So it's Houston. What is Houston? What do you consider Houston? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like Houston. Okay, I know you like Houston. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about that environment. The team, they're they're young, they're
Speaker 1: up and coming. I love what I made is doing
Speaker 1: with that team.
Speaker 2: Uh, uh, some gooon. It was an All Star I
Speaker 2: like I like Jalen Green.
Speaker 1: I mean the guys twenty years of age falling out
Speaker 1: they got they Uh I'm in Thompson. They got a
Speaker 1: nice young squad. They got a nice young squad. Probably
Speaker 1: need one more veteran, you know. Van Fleet. I like
Speaker 1: van Fleet, I like Brooks. They get after you, they
Speaker 1: play hard, night in and night out. They have a
Speaker 1: little rough patch or they lost about five or six
Speaker 1: games in a row, but you can deal with that.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be just like the Texans. The
Speaker 1: Texas isn't gonna be a place that you got a quarterback.
Speaker 1: You got Nico Collins, you got the Miko Ryan who
Speaker 1: has a great defense. You see, they got the nail hunter.
Speaker 1: They got Will Anderson Jr. They got Stingley Junior. They
Speaker 1: got some nice pieces. They got some nice pieces. They're
Speaker 1: a few players away. They were labled a little Larry Tunzel.
Speaker 1: The problem that they had is that Bill O'Brien ruiney
Speaker 1: when he traded a damn running back for All Pro
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Where the hell they do that at? I
Speaker 1: never understood that. Uh, And then that you had the
Speaker 1: situation with DeShawn. You had the situation with the sun,
Speaker 1: and we don't need to get into it, but we
Speaker 1: know what happened, and that kind of set them back
Speaker 1: for a year or two. But they were able to
Speaker 1: get CJ. CJ looked. CJ looks to be what he's
Speaker 1: supposed to be. He little down yere this year, but
Speaker 1: I expect them to bounce back and play better next year.
Speaker 2: We'll see what they do.
Speaker 1: Uh. They lost a lot of their receivers. Tank Dale
Speaker 1: got injured. Uh, Stefan Diggs got injured. But I love
Speaker 1: the edition of Joe Mixon. There are a couple of
Speaker 1: pieces away. They're gonna be right back. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: right back in the mix. That's the thing. I listen,
Speaker 1: brandon Ingram did not make this decision, didn't take this
Speaker 1: decision lightly.
Speaker 2: It wasn't no man, okay five.
Speaker 1: He had been sitting there for an extended period of time,
Speaker 1: and he realizes, he said, first of all, the guy
Speaker 1: that y'all want to build this thing around, he can't
Speaker 1: stay healthy. Now, for the most part, brandon Ingram hadn't
Speaker 1: stayed healthy either, So let's be all.
Speaker 2: The way with that.
Speaker 1: Yes, So he I mean, hey, I understand he's looking
Speaker 1: at Zion and Zion can't stay healthy. But brandon Ingram
Speaker 1: missed a lot of time also, and and Pelican fans
Speaker 1: y'all know that. So it was like, man, let me
Speaker 1: go ahead and bounce. He's like, I go to a team.
Speaker 1: You know they got Scotty Barnes. I like Scottie. They
Speaker 1: got that.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I hate calling the man last day,
Speaker 2: but huh, how you leave forty men on the table.
Speaker 2: I'm come on, nine, what are we doing? Look?
Speaker 1: Oh see the mass mistake that I made a lot
Speaker 1: of times that I put myself in that situation. You
Speaker 1: can't put yourself in that situation. You wouldn't know. But oh,
Speaker 1: money can't by happiness. The man ain't happy. Listen if
Speaker 1: money came by your happiness. But you know what money
Speaker 1: can buy you. It can buy your time. It can
Speaker 1: buy you time. Get them ball hat all the time
Speaker 1: you want to been in there?
Speaker 2: Boy?
Speaker 1: You know what hey look at Look at what you
Speaker 1: call him? Look at what's the guy named? Talk to me?
Speaker 2: Look at Melimda Gates. Bill Gates worked two hundred billion,
Speaker 2: two hundred billion. She said, I'm gone.
Speaker 4: He goes right, I'm gone you know, I don't even
Speaker 4: money can buy happening, like the fact that you brought
Speaker 4: that up because I'm just failure. This is the fact
Speaker 4: that we have being as in this world. The fact
Speaker 4: that we have being as in this world. And one
Speaker 4: of the things with little girls growing up, they're tought,
Speaker 4: you got to find you somebody that's able to provide
Speaker 4: and provide you with stability. If Bill Gates and a
Speaker 4: few other billionaires that I name not too long ago
Speaker 4: on one of the shows have not been able to
Speaker 4: keep a woman happy long term, they just they.
Speaker 2: Just have it. What the try? What chance do us
Speaker 2: normal folks have?
Speaker 1: Well, you gotta be happy, oh Joe, you make it
Speaker 1: seem like just all of the women or me and
Speaker 1: get the bors too me and leave relationships.
Speaker 2: I ain't never seen, ain't not. Don't don't do that.
Speaker 2: When the last time you've seen a man initiated a boors,
Speaker 2: I ain't seen in a very long time.
Speaker 1: More more more times than not, it is the woman initiated.
Speaker 1: But it's the woman that's also getting fed up, right,
Speaker 1: So it's not something that she she Women don't haphazardly
Speaker 1: do things. Women are very methodical, very very thoughtful, They're
Speaker 1: not just rushing out there.
Speaker 2: See a guy, see a guy, See.
Speaker 1: A guy will leave a great woman for a fine thing.
Speaker 1: That is how women think. Women don't think like that, right.
Speaker 1: Women are very methodical. Women are very meticulous. When a woman,
Speaker 1: when a woman leaves a man and they've been under
Speaker 1: religious for an extended period of.
Speaker 2: Time, No, now, she's had it up to here right now.
Speaker 1: You notice I said it here because when she had
Speaker 1: it up to here, she stayed when she get to hear.
Speaker 4: Also, what you need to understand too long. You got
Speaker 4: to think about this. When a woman is fed up
Speaker 4: before she gets to hear and she's right here, all
Speaker 4: her chicks, all her checks and ducks got to be
Speaker 4: in a row, all our eyes got to be dotted,
Speaker 4: and all her tears got to be crossed before she
Speaker 4: gets to here so she can exit.
Speaker 2: The plan has to be played out completely.
Speaker 4: She can't leave until she knows exactly what Plan B is,
Speaker 4: and they're going to execute herself because you can't leave
Speaker 4: and they be dead in the water. Which is why
Speaker 4: when you when we talk about billionaires and their wives
Speaker 4: and marriage and divorced, you noticed they always take half
Speaker 4: with them, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times there's like, look, look,
Speaker 1: look here, I ain't taking half because because neither one
Speaker 1: of them had prenups.
Speaker 2: So theoretically they could have got a big ol'd chuck.
Speaker 2: They could have got.
Speaker 1: Bought it what they got right now, forty fifty billion,
Speaker 1: They ain't nothing to laugh at. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: the thing is a lot of times when women women
Speaker 1: already see women were already told you what they're unhappy about,
Speaker 1: and you know, fix it, right, we know we ain't listening,
Speaker 1: and then like, man.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: Well, she kind of told you, yeah, and she dropped
Speaker 1: bread crumbs. Not only did she tell you she dropped
Speaker 1: bread crumb that made a loaf over time.
Speaker 2: You didn't hear you made the loaf over time. Now, yes,
Speaker 2: you ain't got the disin. Oh Joe, let's talk to
Speaker 2: me first. First overall pick Markel Folks is back in
Speaker 2: the NBA.
Speaker 1: B has agreed to a contract with the Sacramento Kings
Speaker 1: to twenty six year old guard has spent first out
Speaker 1: of the season without a deal following the exploration of
Speaker 1: his wiki contract extension in summer of twenty four. He
Speaker 1: could see early playing time as the squad tried to
Speaker 1: fill the boy port guard left by the Aaron Fox
Speaker 1: who was traded to the Spurs.
Speaker 2: Will folks ever be able to show why he was
Speaker 2: the former?
Speaker 1: No, No, he's never Is it that that that that
Speaker 1: that that that ship is sale?
Speaker 2: Is it here? Is it still here? What if? What if?
Speaker 2: Here is fixed? Now?
Speaker 4: I think that's a barrier. He couldn't get passed hold
Speaker 4: on mentally. Then they take him over Jason Tatum. They
Speaker 4: took him over Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1: He was like that though, never forget he was like
Speaker 1: that what the reai based on what he showed?
Speaker 2: Oh, show that shot.
Speaker 1: You don't normally take a guy with that with a
Speaker 1: with a shot that looked that that defected the mechanics
Speaker 1: could shoe.
Speaker 2: I mean, we can't. We can't talk about you're boll
Speaker 2: times or not.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody listen, No matter how good he is, I
Speaker 1: don't believe the number one receivers going going number one overall.
Speaker 1: As a body catcher, you gotta be able to pluck
Speaker 1: the ball. You gotta be able to play a traffic
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to transition. So if you got
Speaker 1: that many flaws number one overall.
Speaker 2: I mean listen, number listen. Shots can be fixed leath
Speaker 2: the shooters right there down the street. He's not too far.
Speaker 2: You get with him in the off Seaton. If it's
Speaker 2: that big of a problem. Hell Sean Marrion, remember he
Speaker 2: shot he went first overall though, And see that's the fight.
Speaker 1: If you take a guy like that, oyah, if you
Speaker 1: take a guy like fifteen sixteen, you think about it.
Speaker 1: You take a guy number one overall, he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be franchise changing.
Speaker 2: He's supposed to be lebron shot.
Speaker 1: That's what he a Keem with a Will or Kareem
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson, that's what they're supposed to be, Dawight Howard,
Speaker 1: franchise altering.
Speaker 2: He wasn't that AI have a question based on just
Speaker 2: fults come out of college. You didn't.
Speaker 4: You didn't think once he got we was going here
Speaker 4: going to be franchise changing based on the film that
Speaker 4: he put up.
Speaker 1: And well, I looked at him, I mean he was
Speaker 1: like he had a lot of hit a miss. But
Speaker 1: I was just always liary of that shot. Okay, it
Speaker 1: just concerned me it did you think somebody would have
Speaker 1: took Sean Marriman number one overall?
Speaker 4: He would have had no you know, hold on, he
Speaker 4: would have been he would have had to be extremely
Speaker 4: dominant in other and.
Speaker 1: Other and he was a he was an anesthetic defender. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he turned himself into he with that shot.
Speaker 1: He turned himself into a decent shooter. Can make threes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he could defend, he could rebound, but I just
Speaker 1: it's just hard. No, that was too much time has
Speaker 1: passed for him to live up to what he was
Speaker 1: where he was selected, the slot that he was selected at. No,
Speaker 1: he not living up to that now, can't he? Hopefully
Speaker 1: he can have a serviceable career moving forward.
Speaker 2: So he was out of the league. Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: out of the league for first half of the season.
Speaker 2: What what? What guy? You know that side of the
Speaker 2: league for first half of a season.
Speaker 1: All the so it comes back and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what a we showed made a mistake on him.
Speaker 4: It doesn't happen like that. I mean, well, listen, hoping
Speaker 4: he comes back and makes a difference. He feels in
Speaker 4: that role in sack.
Speaker 2: That Darien.
Speaker 4: The Aaron Fox leaves and he can come in and
Speaker 4: be efficient and be somewhat, if not what we thought
Speaker 4: you would be.
Speaker 2: Be something close to it. Right. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: You can have a quirky shot allah Ben Simmons, but
Speaker 1: normally you need to be sixteen. Ben Simmons was an
Speaker 1: All NBA defender. He was he was like an All
Speaker 1: star six ft ten, could handle the ball. But you see,
Speaker 1: eventually that caught up with it because he became afraid
Speaker 1: to shoot the basketball. You see, I can't teach you
Speaker 1: how to shoot if you're afraid. See, I can't teach
Speaker 1: you how to swear him if you're if you're afraid
Speaker 1: of the water, you can't learn how to swim.
Speaker 2: He just said.
Speaker 4: Ben Simmons was scared to what marks he became scared
Speaker 4: to do. Also, what so guess where that starts from.
Speaker 2: Well, he's scared to go to the basket because he
Speaker 2: didn't want.
Speaker 4: To get fouled. He didn't want to get fouled. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is a contact sport. It's a physical game. How
Speaker 4: could you knock?
Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna say you to the free throw line?
Speaker 1: Oh so we don't want to again. Yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: that starts at.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Mentally, they already they already they're already beat mentally before
Speaker 4: they even get to the game. So you can't even
Speaker 4: let the game freely because there are certain parts of
Speaker 4: your game you don't want to get exposed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I even played. I just thought Ben
Speaker 1: Simmons didn't work hard enough on this game. It's hard
Speaker 1: because I see guys, look at offs, the Reeds, offs,
Speaker 1: the Reeds has gotten better and better, an undrafted Fridge
Speaker 1: has gotten better and better and better and better. But
Speaker 1: it's hard for a guy to not to get to
Speaker 1: not get incrementally better if he or she doesn't work
Speaker 1: on something. Have a question thinking you would to get
Speaker 1: you I'm not saying you fin to tell I'm not finish,
Speaker 1: say the guy about to be Michael Jordan Kobe, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: But you can get better. Go back and look at
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons, Ben Simmons and getting better and nothing offensive.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, number went down also the two.
Speaker 1: Comparing the two, Austin Reeves had no choice but to
Speaker 1: get better. Austin Reeves had no choice but to improve.
Speaker 1: Austin Reeves already behind the eight ball. In general as
Speaker 1: a basketball player, Ben Simmons was six.
Speaker 2: Well, that's all that.
Speaker 4: Ben Simmons sixteen sixteen. Put the ball on the floor,
Speaker 4: shoot he can't shoot that well. He can defend. So
Speaker 4: there's a difference that arsin reeves having the buses ass
Speaker 4: to get to the point where he's at right now.
Speaker 2: He has Oh see what you said? Yes, if we're
Speaker 2: getting so.
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons came in as the number one pick, it
Speaker 1: felt that, you know what, I ain't got to bust
Speaker 1: with my.
Speaker 4: Ass exact exactly exactly, which is which goes to my point.
Speaker 1: It's hard not to get incrementally better if you work
Speaker 1: at something, you know, and if I can't, if I
Speaker 1: only collect one count of your O Joe in fifty years,
Speaker 1: I gonna have fifty k here as opposed to not
Speaker 1: collecting any I go two or three years and don't
Speaker 1: collect any Guess what I'm gonna have nothing nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's hard for me. There is
Speaker 1: no way six foot ten man listen man can have leball,
Speaker 1: could defend. He can defend like four or five positions.
Speaker 1: He can guard a smaller point guard. He can guard
Speaker 1: a two or three or four.
Speaker 4: When I look at Ben Simmons, now, no check, don't
Speaker 4: get on me like this, but I see Ben Simmons,
Speaker 4: he should have been Jason Tatum before Jason Tatum, he should.
Speaker 1: He should have been Lebron. He should have been a
Speaker 1: bigger Lebron Magic Johnson because that's what he was. He's
Speaker 1: a point guard and then he's a six foot ten
Speaker 1: point guard and he can facilitate it like crazy. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what he could have been. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: he could defend. Yeah, I mean, that's that's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Some of the biggest busts of all time
Speaker 1: in NBA history, And we use that term when we bus.
Speaker 1: Obviously you get to the NBA, there's a success, but
Speaker 1: when you are the first overall pick, you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be franchise altering. Anthony Bennett, who Lord have mercy for
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Cavaliers, Greg Oden, Greg Olden, I think would
Speaker 1: have been successful had his knees not gave out.
Speaker 2: All the injuries right right, the injuries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my homeboy from Savannah, Purvis Edison, his knees gave
Speaker 1: out on him. Markev's folk. They have a knee injury
Speaker 1: and the shoulder injury. He tried to change his shot,
Speaker 1: but it just didn't work. But I wish the young
Speaker 1: man the best of luck. He can't be no more
Speaker 1: than what twenty six twenty seven tops, because he gotta
Speaker 1: be just like the same twenty six. So he's still
Speaker 1: a hopefully young fella. Can get a couple of get
Speaker 1: a couple of years, stick, get an opportunity to get
Speaker 1: some playing time. Because I've seen them. I've seen them,
Speaker 1: you know, have good games. It's not consistent. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm saying I think I started in one game he
Speaker 1: had a triple double, had like twenty something. But playing
Speaker 1: at the pro level, being a starter, it's all about consistency.
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. Because any guy on a given
Speaker 1: any of those four hundred and fifty players on a
Speaker 1: given night, let me take that back, not the top
Speaker 1: let's just say the top seventy five players. We know
Speaker 1: what they can do. But the other two point fifty
Speaker 1: can give you hell on a given night. The problem
Speaker 1: is they can't be consistent like the other seventy five
Speaker 1: to top seventy five. That's what separates. It's all about consistency.
Speaker 1: The restaurants to do the best busin what are they
Speaker 1: they consistent? The service, the quality of the food, the hospitality, consistency,
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. Travis Kelsey isn't ready to
Speaker 1: make a decision on retirement follow the Chiefs Super Bowl
Speaker 1: lost to the Eagles in Super Bowl fifty nine. Speaking
Speaker 1: on the speaking on his New Heights podcast, Kelsey said
Speaker 1: he's kicking everything down the road as it relates to
Speaker 1: deciding on his NFL future.
Speaker 2: It's just tough. It's just a tough reality. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take some time to figure it out. And
Speaker 1: I think it only to my teammates to do that.
Speaker 1: If I come back, that's going to be something that's
Speaker 1: wholehearted his decision, and I'm not half asking it, and
Speaker 1: I'm fully and I'm fully here for them.
Speaker 2: I think I could play.
Speaker 1: It's just whether or not I'm motivated or it's the
Speaker 1: best decision for me as a man, as a human,
Speaker 1: as a person that takes on all that responsibility.
Speaker 4: Listen, as a man, as a human, as a football player,
Speaker 4: as a competitor. Knowing Travis Kelsey personally understanding him, knowing
Speaker 4: how the season ended, the competitor in him in him
Speaker 4: is going back to get it done the right way.
Speaker 2: He's not going out like that.
Speaker 4: The last taste of his mouth is not going to
Speaker 4: be defeat to the Steelers, especially with a score.
Speaker 2: Line like it was. Twenty two points don't even count
Speaker 2: get lost?
Speaker 1: Is his body able? I get all that mind? Is
Speaker 1: his body able? You saw what you saw? O Joe?
Speaker 2: No, no, no to say yeah you saw what you
Speaker 2: saw this year? Yeah? Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now that's so. Let's let's be real that
Speaker 1: have a fair conversation like we do. Everybody.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 4: Can I can I take a little bit off my
Speaker 4: plate and still be able to eat when I need to?
Speaker 4: Can I take a little bit off my plate and
Speaker 4: still be able to eat when I need to?
Speaker 2: Can I have now a grade? Take the chunk of
Speaker 2: the play? No?
Speaker 1: No, yes, Travis Kelsey. Great players don't get that. Don't
Speaker 1: get that luxury? What great player you know? Did they
Speaker 1: allow you to do that in Cincinnati?
Speaker 2: Oh no? So I want to know you've covered this game,
Speaker 2: you've played this game.
Speaker 1: What great player gets to take when he's played a
Speaker 1: skill position? Just to say, okay, take some time, bro,
Speaker 1: you really take some time off. We ain't even worried
Speaker 1: about you. You know what, I'm not people in the
Speaker 1: people in the stands, all this is eighty seven and
Speaker 1: they see Kelsey on the back, and they expect them
Speaker 1: to be that ten time pro bowler that all pro
Speaker 1: I got bet they're used to. They won't accept anything.
Speaker 4: Else, right, I think I think we still get that.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I believe. Now, that's one thing for
Speaker 4: me to say it. See I'm not inside this body, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not inside. So it's one thing for me to
Speaker 4: say it. Based on obviously what we what we saw
Speaker 4: this year, the chemistry between him, the rapport between him
Speaker 4: and my homes, I think he can still do it.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, now that's up to him. But knowing,
Speaker 4: knowing the way it ended, he ain't going.
Speaker 2: Out like that. I can tell you that, Oh Joe.
Speaker 1: The thing with great players, and I was, I was
Speaker 1: a pretty good player.
Speaker 2: I just can't do it.
Speaker 1: Oh, you you can't do it. You can't do it
Speaker 1: with the regularity that you once could. You see how
Speaker 1: he can summons it up one game and then he'll
Speaker 1: disappear for four, He'll summons it up again and he'll
Speaker 1: disappear for three. You see in the playoffs, he had
Speaker 1: that one big game against Houston and then the other two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you see what happened That's what happens as you start
Speaker 1: to aid, this is a funny thing.
Speaker 4: Even with him aging, even with him not being able
Speaker 4: to summon it up every game.
Speaker 2: You have a quarterback that can overcome you knock, summon
Speaker 2: this up.
Speaker 4: Because every different game, when the Kanda City, when the
Speaker 4: Candy City Chiefs playing, it's somebody else's day. One day
Speaker 4: of one day was Marquise Brown, One day is Xavy Worthy,
Speaker 4: one day is Noel Grade.
Speaker 2: One day in Travis Kelce.
Speaker 4: So he talked about that Houston game where he went
Speaker 4: crazy for the following week. It wasn't on him. Somebody
Speaker 4: else had a day. That's the joy of having a
Speaker 4: quarterback like Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: You ain't got to be on a game when you great.
Speaker 1: You can you not ain't how it works for a
Speaker 1: gay a guy with his great You can't just be
Speaker 1: running around out there and you go three or four
Speaker 1: games catching one to two passes. That's what he was
Speaker 1: talking about. Hey, you saw the man on the sideline
Speaker 1: last football. He didn't get the ball. You think that
Speaker 1: man gonna be able to come out there and run around,
Speaker 1: put all that time in and catch one of two
Speaker 1: balls a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes something and the fast twitch is not there
Speaker 2: like it once was. He barely got out of his stands.
Speaker 2: Guys were already moving and he.
Speaker 1: Was still in his stand So choke.
Speaker 2: You watched the game, everybody saw a check. Y'all know
Speaker 2: I'm not making it up. Y'all saw what you saw?
Speaker 2: What you saw? Hey, I understand what you're saying. But
Speaker 2: ain't nobody going out like that? You know that? I
Speaker 2: know that. Regardless of what he said, do you keep
Speaker 2: saying going nothing like that? What's to say? It's not
Speaker 2: gonna get worse. It's not gonna get worse.
Speaker 4: But of course, how do you know what a quarterback
Speaker 4: over there with number fifteen, the head coach over there
Speaker 4: and his last.
Speaker 2: Night he walked? Did he have so? What number did
Speaker 2: he have on last year? And how did he look?
Speaker 2: What number did he have on last year? You know
Speaker 2: the competitor that young bull is. You know you know
Speaker 2: what he is. You know he not going out there.
Speaker 4: You know he's not gonna say you know what, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm done. I can tell you that. Now we canna
Speaker 4: make a special. Let me ask your question. He comes back,
Speaker 4: what he comes back? What does that do? Does that
Speaker 4: change your perception of Travis kelcey. Does that move him
Speaker 4: up or down your ranking?
Speaker 1: Cause I got him as the goat right now, So
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out him coming back making another
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Does that change your perception of Travis Kelsey
Speaker 1: who and what he is?
Speaker 2: No, but that's not why he's coming back.
Speaker 4: It's not not not for him to change our perception
Speaker 4: on how we feel about him as a player. He's
Speaker 4: already solidified. What he's done is already concrete. He's coming
Speaker 4: back for him, not for us, him for what he
Speaker 4: doesn't heat the taste?
Speaker 1: What can he what can he do for himself to
Speaker 1: make himself feel good?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, go out on go out on.
Speaker 4: His terms, on the way he wants to go out,
Speaker 4: and not with a bad taste left in his mouth
Speaker 4: like this game has.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing I can think of. I understand
Speaker 2: said everything he's saying. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: When Tom Brady walked away? Do you believe tom Brady
Speaker 1: can still play the right circumstances, He couldn't play at
Speaker 1: tom Brady's level.
Speaker 2: See that's what you're missing.
Speaker 1: See you're looking at him just coming back being a guy,
Speaker 1: a guy Travis Kelsey used to being the guy Tom
Speaker 1: Brady used to being the guy, not a guy. That's
Speaker 1: two different scenarios. And Tom realized, I'm not Tom Brady anymore.
Speaker 1: And see when you Tom Brady, you get measured to
Speaker 1: a younger Tom Brady, not to the guys that's playing now,
Speaker 1: because Tom Brady still could not play half the guys
Speaker 1: that's in the.
Speaker 4: League, Yes, sir, but he couldn't be that guy anymore.
Speaker 4: So basically, what you're saying, you don't want to go
Speaker 4: out like Aaron Rodgerson.
Speaker 1: I don't like I'm like you when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: But I know what I saw this year, yes sir,
Speaker 1: And I know the Chad saw what they saw this year,
Speaker 1: to sir.
Speaker 2: And that was the.
Speaker 1: Hardest thing because I had to watch film on myself
Speaker 1: a lot, and I just had to come to the conclusion.
Speaker 1: Now I could have came back and played. I mean
Speaker 1: I left. I left my last year. I had seven
Speaker 1: over seven hundred yards almost eight hundred yards, and I
Speaker 1: missed the last game, had eight touchdowns.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't. So I just couldn't give it to
Speaker 2: you week the week.
Speaker 1: Like the old ladies, A round two shatter, all right,
Speaker 1: on Saturday, It's a Monday. Here's my get I get
Speaker 1: you around to Saturday. It's a Monday. Don't bother me.
Speaker 1: I got enough for your Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. I need
Speaker 1: to deal back up. I need to recharge. I need
Speaker 1: to recharge. So, so you believe you believe Tramp comes back?
Speaker 4: Man, let me give a composer now, my goddamn ac
Speaker 4: not on man, Okay, go ahead, go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 2: So do you believe you believe Travis comes back?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely? Listen everything you hear right now. Smoke that's
Speaker 4: that's small. That ain't never smoke.
Speaker 2: That's smoke. That's smoke. That's smoke.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he's taking time because guess what, go
Speaker 1: back and look at the take. Yeah, it got Ojo,
Speaker 1: It got harder and harder for him to create separation.
Speaker 2: Right, they had guys covered in what lifetime?
Speaker 1: Would they ever put Tomorrow Hamlet on Travis Kelcey in
Speaker 1: what realm?
Speaker 2: Would they ever do that?
Speaker 1: Right? Where they would take linebackers and they would take
Speaker 1: faith in and say you got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a complete mismatch in general, just in general,
Speaker 4: the Travis kelce we know, but I can tell you
Speaker 4: one thing, even the way he looks now he won
Speaker 4: more matches than he lost. I can tell you that
Speaker 4: he won more matches than he lost. But listen, I
Speaker 4: understand what he's saying. This is something that not very
Speaker 4: many players are given the opportunity or for the opportunity
Speaker 4: to be able to do, to be able to decide
Speaker 4: whether they want to come back or not. Travis Kelsey
Speaker 4: is in a position is suited to that of a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think the thing for him, with nothing
Speaker 1: left to prove, there are a lot of opportunities, be
Speaker 1: at the media, be it in the movie, in the
Speaker 1: TV space. I mean, Travis Kelson is gonna get to
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to make a lot of money. His
Speaker 1: podcast New Heights with his brother does extremely well. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, you know you hear that he wants to
Speaker 1: get in TV. He wants to get in movie movies.
Speaker 1: You talk about a guy that's six foot five, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, statuesque. We'll see how well he could act. Uh.
Speaker 2: He did a great job.
Speaker 1: On Saturday Night Live, one of the best performances for
Speaker 1: an athlete that you're gonna see.
Speaker 2: So it tells me he does have the chops in
Speaker 2: order to do it. But for me. If I'm him,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna think long and hard because.
Speaker 1: And the thing I was tell him retirement is it's
Speaker 1: there ain't no league that you can go to. It's
Speaker 1: not like golf you can go to the senior circuit
Speaker 1: or you like tennis. They got to sing. You know,
Speaker 1: got a little thing that you go play. And you
Speaker 1: see Philippusa's and Mace and Roll and Roddick and all
Speaker 1: those guys playing. Sometimes you see Agacy jump out there.
Speaker 1: They're not that in football, and so retiring and football
Speaker 1: is final. I would take a month or two and thinks, seriously,
Speaker 1: really hard. Am I gonna put the time in the
Speaker 1: time because as you get older, Ojo, now you got
Speaker 1: to do things differently.
Speaker 2: You can't train the way you train like you once could.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know when you're young and you can hear
Speaker 1: a look at the promise, I hear a link today
Speaker 1: and I'm promised I'm gonna work harder tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: You don't work like that. You do diligence. You're eating
Speaker 1: needs to be on point, you're training. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you didn't trade smarter. Your body can't stand that kind
Speaker 1: of intensity and that's what I had to learn the
Speaker 1: hard way, Ocho, because as I got older, I was
Speaker 1: still trying to train it that intensity. Not so much
Speaker 1: the intensity, it's the volume that got I still had
Speaker 1: the same intensity, but it was the volume that I
Speaker 1: was still trying to do. I was still trying to
Speaker 1: run fifteen twenty two hundreds. I was still trying to
Speaker 1: run twenty twenty five one tens. I was still trying
Speaker 1: to do that volume at the intensity that I was
Speaker 1: doing in my twenties. Well, I got into my thirties, Lamar,
Speaker 1: I had the maypop ham scrings. I run two of them.
Speaker 1: They may pop o yo. That's what I'm That's all
Speaker 1: I'm That's all I'm saying. So that's the thing that
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta.
Speaker 2: Factory in right. And so I don't I don't want
Speaker 2: I don't want people.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's like I said, that's that's his call. But
Speaker 1: I don't want people like man trash stealing. He can't
Speaker 1: get open no more. Hein't got nothing to prove. I
Speaker 1: promise you. If somebody would have told Travis kept said, okay,
Speaker 1: here you are you a rookie. We're gonna allow you
Speaker 1: to go to five Super Bowls. You'll be a ten
Speaker 1: time Pro Bowler, you'll be a four or five time
Speaker 1: All Pro, and you'll win three super Bowls and you'll be, regardless,
Speaker 1: one of the two greatest tight ends to ever play.
Speaker 1: You say he turned that down and said, nah, I
Speaker 1: want to play long. Does he take it or does he.
Speaker 2: Turn it down? Are you taking that? You know that?
Speaker 1: So it's definitely going to be interesting to see. But
Speaker 1: I can tell it bothered him. There's a lot that
Speaker 1: bothered him this year. He didn't have He didn't have
Speaker 1: the type of season that he wanted. He didn't have
Speaker 1: the individual success. Let me take that back. He didn't
Speaker 1: have the individual success. He had the team success. They
Speaker 1: won the division again, they won the AFC again. They
Speaker 1: didn't win the super Bowl. So that's the ultimate, the
Speaker 1: ultimate goal. But he wanted that thousand yards. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: wanted he wanted those numbers. I mean, I don't even
Speaker 1: know how many trusts down. I mean I think he
Speaker 1: might have had fewer than five touchdowns. How many touchdowns
Speaker 1: do you have? Ash because he was on pace two
Speaker 1: years ago to get a thousand. But remember he sigt
Speaker 1: out the final game, Oh Joe, because they were already
Speaker 1: slotted into the third seed, didn't un to run the
Speaker 1: risk of getting aventured, and so he saw he I
Speaker 1: think he was like thirty yards short of getting another thousand,
Speaker 1: which would have been eight, eight or nine consecutive thousand
Speaker 1: yard seasons.
Speaker 2: He had three touchdowns this year, Joe three. Hey, listen,
Speaker 2: they get it done offensively in a multitude of ways.
Speaker 2: That's all I got to say.
Speaker 1: But in order for this offense to really be effective,
Speaker 1: he has to be dominant. When they got rid of Tyreek,
Speaker 1: he was dominant. Go back and look at it. I
Speaker 1: don't think i'ma Lie Steale super fan pays for bill
Speaker 1: board begging Art Rooney to trade.
Speaker 2: Tomlin will sell the team. The standard is mediocrity. Trade.
Speaker 1: Tomlin will sell the team. Rooney, We've had enough. The
Speaker 1: standard is mediocrity.
Speaker 2: Trade. Tomlin will sell the team paid for by Kevin Adams.
Speaker 4: Hey mediocrety seventeen win season above five hundred eighteen seventeen
Speaker 4: win season.
Speaker 2: That's mediocrity.
Speaker 1: How many Super Bowl appearances they have him won the
Speaker 1: playoff games since twenty sixteen is twenty twenty five mediocrity.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you a question. So yes, they
Speaker 4: let Tomlin go right, Yeah, the name is Kevin Adams. Uh,
Speaker 4: Kevin Adams. Yep, you let tomin go?
Speaker 2: Who you bringing?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: See? What happens? What happens there? That's the same thing
Speaker 2: man and women do.
Speaker 1: I can't get out of the relationship because who I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get to replace what I got?
Speaker 2: And I stayed a bad relationship. You see what you did? Hey?
Speaker 2: You see and you know what happened time they lead
Speaker 2: that person.
Speaker 4: Thing in the grass is green on the other side
Speaker 4: and be right there, water and nothing but goddamn soil.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing though, O Joe, If if Mike
Speaker 1: Thomas say, the standard is the standards six super Bowls?
Speaker 2: Where is being above five hundred the standards? Well? Hold on?
Speaker 2: How you fed that? Hold on? All right?
Speaker 4: Well, listen, we got to be realistic as well. Now
Speaker 4: we have to be realistic as well. You have to
Speaker 4: build yourself up to having a super Bowl team. You
Speaker 4: know what that takes. It takes personnel, you know you
Speaker 4: know what that's that takes. It takes a quarterback, a
Speaker 4: quarterback that is consistent. We don't have any questions coming
Speaker 4: into the season. Who's going to be a starter. Yes,
Speaker 4: Mike Thomas backers that come in to play, even being
Speaker 4: able to get to the standard.
Speaker 1: So Mike Tomlin has has no say in personnel, He
Speaker 1: has no say in fredgency, has no say in the
Speaker 1: final fifty three, He has no say in anything.
Speaker 2: Draft. Yeah he does, he does. So he bears some culpability. Yep.
Speaker 1: When Ben, when Ben was getting old, When Ben was
Speaker 1: getting old, not the last year, but when Ben was
Speaker 1: getting old, did they go out and get another quarterback?
Speaker 2: Nah?
Speaker 1: When father was getting old, what did the factors do?
Speaker 1: They wouldn't get Roy. When Rogers was getting old, what
Speaker 1: did they do? O?
Speaker 2: Joe did what?
Speaker 1: I got? George love the pack? When Ben Rothlisberger was
Speaker 1: getting old? What did they do?
Speaker 2: Then? Letting wither on the vine? They let him?
Speaker 1: That's Tomblin letting wither on the vine.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good one. I hain't ever heard that
Speaker 2: before with on the vine.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, I mean, when when you watched
Speaker 1: the steat, when you look at the Steelers h and
Speaker 1: at any point in time do you say, you know what,
Speaker 1: that didn't even go to the super Bowl? When was
Speaker 1: the last time you said it o't Joe. Uh.
Speaker 2: During my tenure.
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, during my tenure, every every year we
Speaker 4: played them, they were a team whose identity was their offense. No,
Speaker 4: then he was their defense. They had the opportunity to
Speaker 4: go to Super Bowl. Now I haven't seen that. Still,
Speaker 4: the game in general, the landscape of the game is
Speaker 4: changed in general.
Speaker 2: As far as the Steelers the Browns, No, they they've
Speaker 2: been shifted.
Speaker 1: They shifted once they got Ben a B and the
Speaker 1: off Yeah, but they were an office. They used to
Speaker 1: be a defensive base team. Early early in Ben's career.
Speaker 1: They were a defensive based football team. They had Troy,
Speaker 1: they had r C that had Ryan Clark, that had
Speaker 1: pas Uh. You know, they had those guys like a
Speaker 1: foot names Farrier, Tim and right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't. They haven't given us that feel in
Speaker 2: a very long time, in a very long time.
Speaker 4: But in order to do that, in order to define
Speaker 4: that consistency again, it takes time. It takes drafting, it
Speaker 4: takes all the acquisitions, it takes finding a quarterback, finding
Speaker 4: a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2: That's where it all starts. Huh, that's where it all starts.
Speaker 4: And you don't have a franchise quarterback, then you have
Speaker 4: to have a dominating defense. You got to have a
Speaker 4: dominating defense and a quarterback that gets you by a
Speaker 4: week the week and doesn't put your team in harm's way.
Speaker 2: That's hard. But the year the Bears went to the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, huh yeah, who is the quarterback? Yeah? Rex rossmor.
Speaker 1: Dominate Those days over, Joe, you ain't got a defense
Speaker 1: good enough to overcome back.
Speaker 2: Those days are over. Those days over.
Speaker 1: So I don't even know why you would attempt to
Speaker 1: build your team like that, because that's not happening. They
Speaker 1: won't allow you to play that top brand of football anymore.
Speaker 1: But when you but here's the problem that he has
Speaker 1: talk to me. Lamar Jackson is twenty seven. Joe Burr
Speaker 1: is also in that division. Yeah, hey, so while you
Speaker 1: going nine and eight every year, or you go ten
Speaker 1: and seven, what is that gonna get you? Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: is a about to turn thirty. Josh Allen is twenty eight.
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to figure out what is that?
Speaker 1: What is tenny seven? I'm gonna get you what is not?
Speaker 2: And they gonna get you.
Speaker 1: Oh, just Steve Mike Thomlins has never had a losing season,
Speaker 1: and he didn't won a playoff game in nine years.
Speaker 1: Make sure you put that in. Make sure you put
Speaker 1: that in the bio too. Mike Toomer has never had
Speaker 1: a losing teason. He also hadn't won a playoff games
Speaker 1: since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: I just want to know. I just want to know
Speaker 2: what the alternative is. That's all. You cannot be afraid
Speaker 2: of being unknown. See that's the problem.
Speaker 4: I can say, y'all, I can tell you what's gonna
Speaker 4: happen with the unknown. Listen, We've been around this game
Speaker 4: long enough, and you know it's gonna happen. Let him
Speaker 4: go and find out. Let what Kevin Adams want to happen.
Speaker 2: They said that with it?
Speaker 1: And did they say that with Brett farre Did they
Speaker 1: say that with Brett Farv Yes or no?
Speaker 2: Did they say that with Aaron Rodgers? Yes or no?
Speaker 2: Do you do know?
Speaker 4: And we're I'm just don't we We were able to
Speaker 4: see a simple side in what was coming after No, you.
Speaker 2: Didn't you knew, you did not see.
Speaker 1: You saw what Aaron Rodgers played one game when Brett
Speaker 1: Farb got hurt.
Speaker 2: You didn't see no sample size. He played one game.
Speaker 1: Jeordan Love played one game and it looked terrible against
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Do you remember when Aaron Rodgers had had
Speaker 1: COVID and he couldn't play, and you saw Jeordan Love
Speaker 1: play against Kansas City ow of the look? Did you
Speaker 1: think Jordan loved the Jordan Love that we see now?
Speaker 1: Did you think he was gonna be that? After watching
Speaker 1: that Kansas City game? I'm just asking, all right, don't
Speaker 1: listen to me, don't listen to me.
Speaker 4: Listen to Kevin Adams and go ahead and go ahead,
Speaker 4: and let coach go watch what happened.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe. At some point in time, Tennis self is
Speaker 2: not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I understand if the standard is a standard, if your
Speaker 1: standard is playing for Lombardies, they're not close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a new boy. Why are they not close?
Speaker 4: It ain't the coaches, Because if your coach ain't on
Speaker 4: the field, he ain't on the field.
Speaker 2: You know what you need, you know what you need
Speaker 2: to get. Well, it was that the case called I
Speaker 2: got right.
Speaker 4: Now, look at all the teams that were in the
Speaker 4: playoffs this year, what is the common dot common denominator?
Speaker 4: They all had what at the hem running the show?
Speaker 4: They all had what a consistent what a consistent quarterback. Hey,
Speaker 4: the Chiefs, the Ravens Cej's drouting company earlier. Damns, he
Speaker 4: comes in and turn and what did he do to
Speaker 4: the franchise.
Speaker 2: It's funny that you said the Ravens.
Speaker 1: I remember the Ravens had a quarterback and Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: that took him to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: What did all they do? Some do drafted his quarterback?
Speaker 4: Oh well, it was the last time we had Lamar
Speaker 4: Jackson just sitting there in the draft.
Speaker 1: You drafted a quarterback, Oh, Joe. Because you don't wait
Speaker 1: till the quarterback. Whether you don't wait till the fruit
Speaker 1: fall off the tree, you'll see, you see you want
Speaker 1: to wait.
Speaker 2: To the very end. Not me, not me. I ain't
Speaker 2: not mean nothing, not me.
Speaker 1: I'm because because because no, because you said you feel
Speaker 1: the unknown.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't feel that.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: We talk about him fire, about fire and firing tom
Speaker 4: when there's nothing in place.
Speaker 2: There's nothing in place. You ain't playing a nan seed.
Speaker 2: But you want tomow gone? What that's it? That's all
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 1: Have?
Speaker 2: You have your ducks in the road. Okay, what's next?
Speaker 1: It doesn't always work out like that where you have
Speaker 1: the perfect where we got a CEO, he's gonna retire,
Speaker 1: and we got the CEO and waited. It doesn't work
Speaker 1: like that. That's so if so In other words, you
Speaker 1: want perfect life. You know you know this is what happens.
Speaker 1: We already know it.
Speaker 4: Don't have to be it, don't have to be perfect.
Speaker 4: But I damn you want some answers. I want something
Speaker 4: to fall back on. I want that, And no, it
Speaker 4: ain't nothing to fall back on right now. I can
Speaker 4: tell you that. So so you good, So you're good
Speaker 4: for the next ten years.
Speaker 2: Be not an age seven. Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen,
Speaker 2: I ain't got no horse in the race. I am not.
Speaker 2: I love the Steelers, I love the fans, I love
Speaker 2: the people, I love ownership, I love the coaches, I
Speaker 2: love the formal players. I'm a bangal. Listen.
Speaker 4: If they don't figure it out, that's better for us. Shit,
Speaker 4: I'm not tripping, that's better for us now. I'm just speaking,
Speaker 4: standing into context that what Kevin Madims is saying to
Speaker 4: let the man, let missus Tomlin go. Well, I mean,
Speaker 4: what's your backup plan? You got to have a backup plan. Listen,
Speaker 4: before a woman leave, she already knows who the backup
Speaker 4: plan is huh, yes, yeah, she don't just she don't
Speaker 4: just up and leave just to be up and leaving
Speaker 4: and be like, Okay, I'm back at square one, Now
Speaker 4: what do I do.
Speaker 2: That's not the way things work. That's not the way things.
Speaker 4: Operate, especially at that level. If a movie can be made,
Speaker 4: they're going to have a strategy, an exit plan before
Speaker 4: they just do it. As a fan, they just want,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: What, fuck it, get him up out of here, he
Speaker 2: got to go. I think the thing is, look is
Speaker 2: this is this is a family business.
Speaker 1: They've owned the Steelers since nineteen thirty three, with the
Speaker 1: exception of maybe a year or two. Uh, and that's
Speaker 1: where the mcglatch, the mclitche's purchased in that state. I
Speaker 1: think they still have a share of the team. But
Speaker 1: for the most part, this is the Rooney's bait darling.
Speaker 1: Now they have some other brothers that's in the casino
Speaker 1: business and things of that nature. But this is this
Speaker 1: is this is, this is their baby. And guess what,
Speaker 1: y'all ain't got no basketball team in Pittsburgh and your
Speaker 1: baseball team terrible, So guess what the fans gonna come
Speaker 1: out and the Ruiners. They've had three coaches since nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty nine. Chuck no Bill Cower, no Mike Tomlin, all
Speaker 1: of them. None of them got fired. They walked away
Speaker 1: on their own turn. The Rooneys are looking at it
Speaker 1: like we're not bad. They're they're just good enough to give,
Speaker 1: to give the fans false hope.
Speaker 2: You know they're not close. Oh you know what, you'd
Speaker 2: rather be the rather be the Steelers, You'd rather be
Speaker 2: the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Tell about false hope, which is heavy your tourn of
Speaker 1: bricks or a ton of feathers. They weighed the same.
Speaker 1: The only difference is the Steelers have been to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They have been to an ANFC championship game,
Speaker 1: but I think they lost to the They lost to
Speaker 1: the Patriots, if that might have been the last time
Speaker 1: they want a playoff game. It's just tough because this
Speaker 1: is not the Steelers that were used to see. We're
Speaker 1: used to seeing the Steelers really like in ten, like
Speaker 1: really have a serious legitimate chance of getting to him
Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl, and we haven't seen that. That's
Speaker 1: not something that we could say that we've been able
Speaker 1: to say for the last damn near decade.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe been a long time. It's been a real
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: And it's not like the Ravens are gonna get worse,
Speaker 1: the Bengals are going to try to try ad.
Speaker 2: It's like, look, we're wasting Joe burrow our prime years.
Speaker 1: Cleveland, Cleveland is Cleveland, Cleveland clean the Browns or the Browns.
Speaker 1: But at some point in time, oh Joe. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I don't advocate anybody getting fired, But all
Speaker 1: I am saying is this, at some point in time,
Speaker 1: nine to eight tendencee ain't gonna cut it and losing
Speaker 1: in the first round.
Speaker 2: Right, You're right. I can't argue with that. The volume