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Speaker 2: OH Show. The Lakers lose big in Utah.

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Speaker 1: After dismantling Utah just a few days ago, they mose

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Speaker 1: How many loves did you see? I mean they throw

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Speaker 4: Young Young Bull was balling.

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Speaker 1: Now he had played well, he had Reeves had really

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he had a down night tonight. He didn't

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Speaker 1: He was one a team from the three point line.

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Speaker 1: Jackson Hayes is really a guy you don't, I mean,

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Speaker 4: Obviously, I think if Jackson Hayes is there, he's some

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Speaker 1: Well they got they you know what, they end up

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a game of run.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers got their run and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: He can't, nor should you expect that from him.

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Speaker 1: ask him to be better than that. Not be all NBA,

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Speaker 1: Or you're not contending this, this team, this this roster

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Speaker 1: I've been carrying you know, I've been doing what I do.

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Speaker 1: He drop fifty five and everybody knows Jamal Murray can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he got that tonight. But no, they're not.

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Speaker 1: Not like I said, Lebron and Luca could probably get

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Speaker 2: So DA they're going to the break called the loss.

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Speaker 2: And listen, it's so funny how the game of basketball works. Listen,

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Speaker 4: You played two three nights ago, happy, having many nice

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Speaker 2: You look completely different. Turnovers you did, they did, turnover

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Speaker 1: Nobody got back there loafed like babe, I ain't getting

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Speaker 2: He lagging back and then they busted three. Well, you

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Speaker 2: you know, having having a shoot back down that court

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Speaker 2: all I'm saying is don't walk.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I ain't saying you gotta be speedy gunzales, but

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Speaker 1: You can't miss a shot. Get mad they didn't call

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you, I got you.

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Speaker 1: Brandon Ingram declined one hundred and sixty million dollars with

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Speaker 2: But listen, I have a question.

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Speaker 4: Uh, I don't know in what world Chad y'all stay

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Speaker 4: with me real quick. Now, I don't know in what

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Speaker 4: nobody for the see and tell me. Listen, I just

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Speaker 4: I just left New Orleans for a week, six six,

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Speaker 4: seven days straight. You ain't gonna tell me based on

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Speaker 4: what I saw in that wonderful city. Culture, the people,

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Speaker 2: That's you.

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Speaker 1: You ain't playing You don't want to be there. You

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Speaker 1: ain't playing basketball? What the devil is alive? Who you

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Speaker 1: just saw tyree You just saw ty Reid complain making

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Speaker 2: Now you want to try again?

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Speaker 4: Not wait a minute now, now listen, Now that's apple ourtist.

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Speaker 4: You talk about two different scenarios. You talk about the

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Speaker 2: He was frustrated. Stay with me. He was frustrated about

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Speaker 4: Two, not getting the ball the way he should at three,

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Speaker 4: he got in front of that camera before he cooled down.

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Speaker 2: That's called them rule number one.

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Speaker 4: After the game, you make sure you go take a

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Speaker 4: say before you get in front of that camera. Now,

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Speaker 4: you're not gonna tell me that New Orleans is that bad,

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Speaker 4: not coming back here. I'm not signing the here. I'm

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Speaker 1: Not going somewhere else. He went to Canada. He went

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Speaker 1: Who wants to be there? You see Zion? You think

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Speaker 1: I mean, hold on, did Anthony? Did Anthony Davis want

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Speaker 1: I want to win. I can't win there. Well listen,

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Speaker 1: but you know what the honest that's a that's on management.

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Speaker 4: A place, some kind of way, some shape way, film

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Speaker 2: He means to do what you need to do, because

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Speaker 1: If you're a tourist, I'm trying to whoa, whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 2: I ain't no goddamn tourist. I'm from New Orleans. I'm

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Speaker 1: A tourist, you go down there for a couple of days,

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Speaker 1: you get to eat the food, you get to get.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying, these guys got to live it. They

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Speaker 2: I got you.

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Speaker 1: But who But let me ask you a question. What

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Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying, but you didn't hear what

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Speaker 4: I said, first, the onus is management creating an environment

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Speaker 4: You know they was they always wanted to come to

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Speaker 4: the first of all, Wait, first of all finished?

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Speaker 1: How many big only think you traded for Jimmy Butler?

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Speaker 1: I mean you got Jimmy and Lebron was Lebron was?

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Speaker 1: big mother free agents. So why you over the huff

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Speaker 2: Where win? Who? Let mean let me finish? Let me finish. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there was a time where nobody wanted to come to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 5: Oh, don't nobody have a problem. They still don't. May

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Speaker 5: stopped playing? Yes what big time pridgees, y'all got all

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Speaker 5: The timely hasn't been right for them to Oo don't

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Speaker 5: you say they want to come. I'm just telling you

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Speaker 2: Lit put it to me.

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Speaker 4: The big the big free agents that that have been

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Speaker 4: that that have been available. You listen to me, that's

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Speaker 4: where they wanted to go. They just didn't say anything

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Speaker 2: Why didn't they go? I just told you didn't work

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Speaker 2: out in their favor? Why money? So you want so?

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Speaker 1: In other words, they want to go to Cincinnati knowing

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Speaker 2: They're entire they entire existed.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not really I'm just I'm just telling you. Now, Listen,

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Speaker 4: who's a who's the owner? Who's the owner?

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Speaker 2: In New Orleans? Who's the owner?

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Speaker 4: The Pelicans? Miss Gail Benson, mister Benson. Wait Gail, Miss

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Speaker 4: Gail Benson at Gail? Yes, Oh that man, that's cook girl.

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Speaker 2: You for real?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, man, I gotta I gotta talk to them, miss Benson.

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell them in Benson because listen what I

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 4: But the hell I saw the past week I was

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Speaker 4: I'm from Uptown now, I'm from uptown. Matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: Go with me?

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Speaker 2: Uh uh in March for what? Uptown Uptown Super Sunday. No, Well,

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Speaker 2: let me ask you a question, don't yo talk to me?

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Speaker 1: How many big time Forridge you signed with the Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Oh you at oh Night?

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Speaker 2: That's a place to be, ain't it all? How many

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Speaker 4: The aesthetics are very pleasing outside of the arena, I

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Speaker 4: you what I know. I'm telling you what I heard

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Speaker 2: So it's Houston. What is Houston? What do you consider Houston? Yeah?

436
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Speaker 1: I like Houston. Okay, I know you like Houston. I'm

437
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: talking about that environment. The team, they're they're young, they're

438
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 1: up and coming. I love what I made is doing

439
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: with that team.

440
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 2: Uh, uh, some gooon. It was an All Star I

441
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:22,880
Speaker 2: like I like Jalen Green.

442
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean the guys twenty years of age falling out

443
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 1: they got they Uh I'm in Thompson. They got a

444
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,159
Speaker 1: nice young squad. They got a nice young squad. Probably

445
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 1: need one more veteran, you know. Van Fleet. I like

446
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 1: van Fleet, I like Brooks. They get after you, they

447
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 1: play hard, night in and night out. They have a

448
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 1: little rough patch or they lost about five or six

449
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 1: games in a row, but you can deal with that.

450
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be just like the Texans. The

451
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: Texas isn't gonna be a place that you got a quarterback.

452
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: You got Nico Collins, you got the Miko Ryan who

453
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 1: has a great defense. You see, they got the nail hunter.

454
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: They got Will Anderson Jr. They got Stingley Junior. They

455
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 1: got some nice pieces. They got some nice pieces. They're

456
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: a few players away. They were labled a little Larry Tunzel.

457
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: The problem that they had is that Bill O'Brien ruiney

458
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 1: when he traded a damn running back for All Pro

459
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Where the hell they do that at? I

460
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 1: never understood that. Uh, And then that you had the

461
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 1: situation with DeShawn. You had the situation with the sun,

462
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 1: and we don't need to get into it, but we

463
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: know what happened, and that kind of set them back

464
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Speaker 1: for a year or two. But they were able to

465
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Speaker 1: get CJ. CJ looked. CJ looks to be what he's

466
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be. He little down yere this year, but

467
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: I expect them to bounce back and play better next year.

468
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 2: We'll see what they do.

469
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Speaker 1: Uh. They lost a lot of their receivers. Tank Dale

470
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: got injured. Uh, Stefan Diggs got injured. But I love

471
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Speaker 1: the edition of Joe Mixon. There are a couple of

472
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: pieces away. They're gonna be right back. They're gonna be

473
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Speaker 1: right back in the mix. That's the thing. I listen,

474
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: brandon Ingram did not make this decision, didn't take this

475
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: decision lightly.

476
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 2: It wasn't no man, okay five.

477
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: He had been sitting there for an extended period of time,

478
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: and he realizes, he said, first of all, the guy

479
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: that y'all want to build this thing around, he can't

480
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: stay healthy. Now, for the most part, brandon Ingram hadn't

481
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: stayed healthy either, So let's be all.

482
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Speaker 2: The way with that.

483
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: Yes, So he I mean, hey, I understand he's looking

484
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: at Zion and Zion can't stay healthy. But brandon Ingram

485
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: missed a lot of time also, and and Pelican fans

486
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: y'all know that. So it was like, man, let me

487
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: go ahead and bounce. He's like, I go to a team.

488
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 1: You know they got Scotty Barnes. I like Scottie. They

489
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Speaker 1: got that.

490
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I hate calling the man last day,

491
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 2: but huh, how you leave forty men on the table.

492
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Speaker 2: I'm come on, nine, what are we doing? Look?

493
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Speaker 1: Oh see the mass mistake that I made a lot

494
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 1: of times that I put myself in that situation. You

495
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: can't put yourself in that situation. You wouldn't know. But oh,

496
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: money can't by happiness. The man ain't happy. Listen if

497
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: money came by your happiness. But you know what money

498
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: can buy you. It can buy your time. It can

499
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: buy you time. Get them ball hat all the time

500
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: you want to been in there?

501
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: Boy?

502
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 1: You know what hey look at Look at what you

503
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: call him? Look at what's the guy named? Talk to me?

504
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: Look at Melimda Gates. Bill Gates worked two hundred billion,

505
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 2: two hundred billion. She said, I'm gone.

506
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 4: He goes right, I'm gone you know, I don't even

507
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: money can buy happening, like the fact that you brought

508
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 4: that up because I'm just failure. This is the fact

509
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 4: that we have being as in this world. The fact

510
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 4: that we have being as in this world. And one

511
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 4: of the things with little girls growing up, they're tought,

512
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 4: you got to find you somebody that's able to provide

513
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 4: and provide you with stability. If Bill Gates and a

514
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 4: few other billionaires that I name not too long ago

515
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 4: on one of the shows have not been able to

516
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 4: keep a woman happy long term, they just they.

517
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Speaker 2: Just have it. What the try? What chance do us

518
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 2: normal folks have?

519
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: Well, you gotta be happy, oh Joe, you make it

520
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: seem like just all of the women or me and

521
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: get the bors too me and leave relationships.

522
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: I ain't never seen, ain't not. Don't don't do that.

523
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: When the last time you've seen a man initiated a boors,

524
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: I ain't seen in a very long time.

525
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: More more more times than not, it is the woman initiated.

526
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: But it's the woman that's also getting fed up, right,

527
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: So it's not something that she she Women don't haphazardly

528
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: do things. Women are very methodical, very very thoughtful, They're

529
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: not just rushing out there.

530
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: See a guy, see a guy, See.

531
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Speaker 1: A guy will leave a great woman for a fine thing.

532
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: That is how women think. Women don't think like that, right.

533
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: Women are very methodical. Women are very meticulous. When a woman,

534
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: when a woman leaves a man and they've been under

535
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: religious for an extended period of.

536
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: Time, No, now, she's had it up to here right now.

537
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: You notice I said it here because when she had

538
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: it up to here, she stayed when she get to hear.

539
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 4: Also, what you need to understand too long. You got

540
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 4: to think about this. When a woman is fed up

541
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 4: before she gets to hear and she's right here, all

542
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 4: her chicks, all her checks and ducks got to be

543
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 4: in a row, all our eyes got to be dotted,

544
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 4: and all her tears got to be crossed before she

545
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: gets to here so she can exit.

546
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 2: The plan has to be played out completely.

547
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 4: She can't leave until she knows exactly what Plan B is,

548
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 4: and they're going to execute herself because you can't leave

549
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 4: and they be dead in the water. Which is why

550
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 4: when you when we talk about billionaires and their wives

551
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 4: and marriage and divorced, you noticed they always take half

552
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 4: with them, right, Yeah.

553
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times there's like, look, look,

554
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: look here, I ain't taking half because because neither one

555
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: of them had prenups.

556
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: So theoretically they could have got a big ol'd chuck.

557
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: They could have got.

558
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: Bought it what they got right now, forty fifty billion,

559
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: They ain't nothing to laugh at. Yeah, but I think

560
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: the thing is a lot of times when women women

561
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: already see women were already told you what they're unhappy about,

562
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: and you know, fix it, right, we know we ain't listening,

563
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: and then like, man.

564
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened.

565
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: Well, she kind of told you, yeah, and she dropped

566
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: bread crumbs. Not only did she tell you she dropped

567
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: bread crumb that made a loaf over time.

568
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: You didn't hear you made the loaf over time. Now, yes,

569
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: you ain't got the disin. Oh Joe, let's talk to

570
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: me first. First overall pick Markel Folks is back in

571
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: the NBA.

572
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: B has agreed to a contract with the Sacramento Kings

573
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: to twenty six year old guard has spent first out

574
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: of the season without a deal following the exploration of

575
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: his wiki contract extension in summer of twenty four. He

576
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: could see early playing time as the squad tried to

577
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: fill the boy port guard left by the Aaron Fox

578
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: who was traded to the Spurs.

579
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: Will folks ever be able to show why he was

580
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: the former?

581
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: No, No, he's never Is it that that that that

582
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: that that that ship is sale?

583
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: Is it here? Is it still here? What if? What if?

584
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: Here is fixed? Now?

585
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 4: I think that's a barrier. He couldn't get passed hold

586
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 4: on mentally. Then they take him over Jason Tatum. They

587
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: took him over Jason Tatum.

588
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: He was like that though, never forget he was like

589
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: that what the reai based on what he showed?

590
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: Oh, show that shot.

591
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: You don't normally take a guy with that with a

592
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: with a shot that looked that that defected the mechanics

593
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: could shoe.

594
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we can't. We can't talk about you're boll

595
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: times or not.

596
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody listen, No matter how good he is, I

597
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: don't believe the number one receivers going going number one overall.

598
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: As a body catcher, you gotta be able to pluck

599
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: the ball. You gotta be able to play a traffic

600
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to transition. So if you got

601
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: that many flaws number one overall.

602
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: I mean listen, number listen. Shots can be fixed leath

603
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: the shooters right there down the street. He's not too far.

604
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: You get with him in the off Seaton. If it's

605
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: that big of a problem. Hell Sean Marrion, remember he

606
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: shot he went first overall though, And see that's the fight.

607
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: If you take a guy like that, oyah, if you

608
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: take a guy like fifteen sixteen, you think about it.

609
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: You take a guy number one overall, he's supposed to

610
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: be franchise changing.

611
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 2: He's supposed to be lebron shot.

612
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: That's what he a Keem with a Will or Kareem

613
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson, that's what they're supposed to be, Dawight Howard,

614
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: franchise altering.

615
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: He wasn't that AI have a question based on just

616
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: fults come out of college. You didn't.

617
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 4: You didn't think once he got we was going here

618
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 4: going to be franchise changing based on the film that

619
00:28:59,200 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: he put up.

620
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Speaker 1: And well, I looked at him, I mean he was

621
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: like he had a lot of hit a miss. But

622
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: I was just always liary of that shot. Okay, it

623
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: just concerned me it did you think somebody would have

624
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: took Sean Marriman number one overall?

625
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 4: He would have had no you know, hold on, he

626
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 4: would have been he would have had to be extremely

627
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 4: dominant in other and.

628
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: Other and he was a he was an anesthetic defender. Yeah,

629
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean he turned himself into he with that shot.

630
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: He turned himself into a decent shooter. Can make threes, yeah,

631
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: but he could defend, he could rebound, but I just

632
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: it's just hard. No, that was too much time has

633
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: passed for him to live up to what he was

634
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: where he was selected, the slot that he was selected at. No,

635
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: he not living up to that now, can't he? Hopefully

636
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: he can have a serviceable career moving forward.

637
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: So he was out of the league. Yeah, he was

638
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: out of the league for first half of the season.

639
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: What what? What guy? You know that side of the

640
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: league for first half of a season.

641
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: All the so it comes back and you're like, well,

642
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: you know what a we showed made a mistake on him.

643
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: It doesn't happen like that. I mean, well, listen, hoping

644
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 4: he comes back and makes a difference. He feels in

645
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: that role in sack.

646
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: That Darien.

647
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: The Aaron Fox leaves and he can come in and

648
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 4: be efficient and be somewhat, if not what we thought

649
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 4: you would be.

650
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: Be something close to it. Right. But here's the thing.

651
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: You can have a quirky shot allah Ben Simmons, but

652
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: normally you need to be sixteen. Ben Simmons was an

653
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: All NBA defender. He was he was like an All

654
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: star six ft ten, could handle the ball. But you see,

655
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: eventually that caught up with it because he became afraid

656
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: to shoot the basketball. You see, I can't teach you

657
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: how to shoot if you're afraid. See, I can't teach

658
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: you how to swear him if you're if you're afraid

659
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: of the water, you can't learn how to swim.

660
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: He just said.

661
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 4: Ben Simmons was scared to what marks he became scared

662
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 4: to do. Also, what so guess where that starts from.

663
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: Well, he's scared to go to the basket because he

664
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: didn't want.

665
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: To get fouled. He didn't want to get fouled. Yeah,

666
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 4: this is a contact sport. It's a physical game. How

667
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 4: could you knock?

668
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna say you to the free throw line?

669
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: Oh so we don't want to again. Yeah, that's where

670
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: that starts at.

671
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

672
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 4: Mentally, they already they already they're already beat mentally before

673
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 4: they even get to the game. So you can't even

674
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: let the game freely because there are certain parts of

675
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: your game you don't want to get exposed.

676
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I even played. I just thought Ben

677
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: Simmons didn't work hard enough on this game. It's hard

678
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: because I see guys, look at offs, the Reeds, offs,

679
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: the Reeds has gotten better and better, an undrafted Fridge

680
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: has gotten better and better and better and better. But

681
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: it's hard for a guy to not to get to

682
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: not get incrementally better if he or she doesn't work

683
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: on something. Have a question thinking you would to get

684
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: you I'm not saying you fin to tell I'm not finish,

685
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: say the guy about to be Michael Jordan Kobe, right, right, right,

686
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: But you can get better. Go back and look at

687
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons, Ben Simmons and getting better and nothing offensive.

688
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, number went down also the two.

689
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: Comparing the two, Austin Reeves had no choice but to

690
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: get better. Austin Reeves had no choice but to improve.

691
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: Austin Reeves already behind the eight ball. In general as

692
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: a basketball player, Ben Simmons was six.

693
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's all that.

694
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 4: Ben Simmons sixteen sixteen. Put the ball on the floor,

695
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: shoot he can't shoot that well. He can defend. So

696
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 4: there's a difference that arsin reeves having the buses ass

697
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 4: to get to the point where he's at right now.

698
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: He has Oh see what you said? Yes, if we're

699
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: getting so.

700
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons came in as the number one pick, it

701
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: felt that, you know what, I ain't got to bust

702
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: with my.

703
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: Ass exact exactly exactly, which is which goes to my point.

704
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: It's hard not to get incrementally better if you work

705
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: at something, you know, and if I can't, if I

706
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: only collect one count of your O Joe in fifty years,

707
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: I gonna have fifty k here as opposed to not

708
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: collecting any I go two or three years and don't

709
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: collect any Guess what I'm gonna have nothing nothing. Yeah,

710
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's hard for me. There is

711
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: no way six foot ten man listen man can have leball,

712
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: could defend. He can defend like four or five positions.

713
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: He can guard a smaller point guard. He can guard

714
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: a two or three or four.

715
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 4: When I look at Ben Simmons, now, no check, don't

716
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 4: get on me like this, but I see Ben Simmons,

717
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: he should have been Jason Tatum before Jason Tatum, he should.

718
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: He should have been Lebron. He should have been a

719
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: bigger Lebron Magic Johnson because that's what he was. He's

720
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: a point guard and then he's a six foot ten

721
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: point guard and he can facilitate it like crazy. Yes, Yes,

722
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: that's what he could have been. Yeah, I mean, and

723
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: he could defend. Yeah, I mean, that's that's crazy. That's crazy.

724
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Some of the biggest busts of all time

725
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Speaker 1: in NBA history, And we use that term when we bus.

726
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: Obviously you get to the NBA, there's a success, but

727
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: when you are the first overall pick, you're supposed to

728
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: be franchise altering. Anthony Bennett, who Lord have mercy for

729
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Cavaliers, Greg Oden, Greg Olden, I think would

730
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: have been successful had his knees not gave out.

731
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: All the injuries right right, the injuries.

732
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, my homeboy from Savannah, Purvis Edison, his knees gave

733
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: out on him. Markev's folk. They have a knee injury

734
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: and the shoulder injury. He tried to change his shot,

735
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: but it just didn't work. But I wish the young

736
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: man the best of luck. He can't be no more

737
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: than what twenty six twenty seven tops, because he gotta

738
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: be just like the same twenty six. So he's still

739
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: a hopefully young fella. Can get a couple of get

740
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years, stick, get an opportunity to get

741
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: some playing time. Because I've seen them. I've seen them,

742
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: you know, have good games. It's not consistent. I mean,

743
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying I think I started in one game he

744
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: had a triple double, had like twenty something. But playing

745
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: at the pro level, being a starter, it's all about consistency.

746
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. Because any guy on a given

747
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: any of those four hundred and fifty players on a

748
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: given night, let me take that back, not the top

749
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: let's just say the top seventy five players. We know

750
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: what they can do. But the other two point fifty

751
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: can give you hell on a given night. The problem

752
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: is they can't be consistent like the other seventy five

753
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: to top seventy five. That's what separates. It's all about consistency.

754
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: The restaurants to do the best busin what are they

755
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: they consistent? The service, the quality of the food, the hospitality, consistency,

756
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. Travis Kelsey isn't ready to

757
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: make a decision on retirement follow the Chiefs Super Bowl

758
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: lost to the Eagles in Super Bowl fifty nine. Speaking

759
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: on the speaking on his New Heights podcast, Kelsey said

760
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: he's kicking everything down the road as it relates to

761
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: deciding on his NFL future.

762
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: It's just tough. It's just a tough reality. And you know,

763
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: I think.

764
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take some time to figure it out. And

765
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: I think it only to my teammates to do that.

766
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: If I come back, that's going to be something that's

767
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: wholehearted his decision, and I'm not half asking it, and

768
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm fully and I'm fully here for them.

769
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: I think I could play.

770
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: It's just whether or not I'm motivated or it's the

771
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: best decision for me as a man, as a human,

772
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: as a person that takes on all that responsibility.

773
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 4: Listen, as a man, as a human, as a football player,

774
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: as a competitor. Knowing Travis Kelsey personally understanding him, knowing

775
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 4: how the season ended, the competitor in him in him

776
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: is going back to get it done the right way.

777
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: He's not going out like that.

778
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 4: The last taste of his mouth is not going to

779
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: be defeat to the Steelers, especially with a score.

780
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 2: Line like it was. Twenty two points don't even count

781
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 2: get lost?

782
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: Is his body able? I get all that mind? Is

783
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: his body able? You saw what you saw? O Joe?

784
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: No, no, no to say yeah you saw what you

785
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: saw this year? Yeah? Yeah, I hear you.

786
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So now that's so. Let's let's be real that

787
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: have a fair conversation like we do. Everybody.

788
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: Listen.

789
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 4: Can I can I take a little bit off my

790
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: plate and still be able to eat when I need to?

791
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: Can I take a little bit off my plate and

792
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 4: still be able to eat when I need to?

793
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: Can I have now a grade? Take the chunk of

794
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: the play? No?

795
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: No, yes, Travis Kelsey. Great players don't get that. Don't

796
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: get that luxury? What great player you know? Did they

797
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: allow you to do that in Cincinnati?

798
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: Oh no? So I want to know you've covered this game,

799
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: you've played this game.

800
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: What great player gets to take when he's played a

801
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: skill position? Just to say, okay, take some time, bro,

802
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: you really take some time off. We ain't even worried

803
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: about you. You know what, I'm not people in the

804
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: people in the stands, all this is eighty seven and

805
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: they see Kelsey on the back, and they expect them

806
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: to be that ten time pro bowler that all pro

807
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: I got bet they're used to. They won't accept anything.

808
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: Else, right, I think I think we still get that.

809
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I believe. Now, that's one thing for

810
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 4: me to say it. See I'm not inside this body, Yeah,

811
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 4: I'm not inside. So it's one thing for me to

812
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 4: say it. Based on obviously what we what we saw

813
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 4: this year, the chemistry between him, the rapport between him

814
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 4: and my homes, I think he can still do it.

815
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, now that's up to him. But knowing,

816
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: knowing the way it ended, he ain't going.

817
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: Out like that. I can tell you that, Oh Joe.

818
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: The thing with great players, and I was, I was

819
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: a pretty good player.

820
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: I just can't do it.

821
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: Oh, you you can't do it. You can't do it

822
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: with the regularity that you once could. You see how

823
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: he can summons it up one game and then he'll

824
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: disappear for four, He'll summons it up again and he'll

825
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: disappear for three. You see in the playoffs, he had

826
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: that one big game against Houston and then the other two. Yeah,

827
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: you see what happened That's what happens as you start

828
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: to aid, this is a funny thing.

829
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: Even with him aging, even with him not being able

830
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: to summon it up every game.

831
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: You have a quarterback that can overcome you knock, summon

832
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: this up.

833
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 4: Because every different game, when the Kanda City, when the

834
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 4: Candy City Chiefs playing, it's somebody else's day. One day

835
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 4: of one day was Marquise Brown, One day is Xavy Worthy,

836
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 4: one day is Noel Grade.

837
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: One day in Travis Kelce.

838
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: So he talked about that Houston game where he went

839
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 4: crazy for the following week. It wasn't on him. Somebody

840
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: else had a day. That's the joy of having a

841
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 4: quarterback like Patrick Mahomes.

842
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: You ain't got to be on a game when you great.

843
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: You can you not ain't how it works for a

844
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: gay a guy with his great You can't just be

845
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: running around out there and you go three or four

846
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: games catching one to two passes. That's what he was

847
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: talking about. Hey, you saw the man on the sideline

848
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: last football. He didn't get the ball. You think that

849
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: man gonna be able to come out there and run around,

850
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: put all that time in and catch one of two

851
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: balls a game.

852
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes something and the fast twitch is not there

853
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: like it once was. He barely got out of his stands.

854
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 2: Guys were already moving and he.

855
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: Was still in his stand So choke.

856
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: You watched the game, everybody saw a check. Y'all know

857
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm not making it up. Y'all saw what you saw?

858
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: What you saw? Hey, I understand what you're saying. But

859
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: ain't nobody going out like that? You know that? I

860
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: know that. Regardless of what he said, do you keep

861
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: saying going nothing like that? What's to say? It's not

862
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: gonna get worse. It's not gonna get worse.

863
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 4: But of course, how do you know what a quarterback

864
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 4: over there with number fifteen, the head coach over there

865
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 4: and his last.

866
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: Night he walked? Did he have so? What number did

867
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,479
Speaker 2: he have on last year? And how did he look?

868
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: What number did he have on last year? You know

869
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: the competitor that young bull is. You know you know

870
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: what he is. You know he not going out there.

871
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 4: You know he's not gonna say you know what, Okay,

872
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 4: I'm done. I can tell you that. Now we canna

873
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 4: make a special. Let me ask your question. He comes back,

874
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 4: what he comes back? What does that do? Does that

875
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 4: change your perception of Travis kelcey. Does that move him

876
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 4: up or down your ranking?

877
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: Cause I got him as the goat right now, So

878
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out him coming back making another

879
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Does that change your perception of Travis Kelsey

880
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: who and what he is?

881
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: No, but that's not why he's coming back.

882
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 4: It's not not not for him to change our perception

883
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 4: on how we feel about him as a player. He's

884
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 4: already solidified. What he's done is already concrete. He's coming

885
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: back for him, not for us, him for what he

886
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 4: doesn't heat the taste?

887
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: What can he what can he do for himself to

888
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: make himself feel good?

889
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, go out on go out on.

890
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: His terms, on the way he wants to go out,

891
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: and not with a bad taste left in his mouth

892
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 4: like this game has.

893
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: That's the only thing I can think of. I understand

894
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: said everything he's saying. I'm with you.

895
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: When Tom Brady walked away? Do you believe tom Brady

896
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: can still play the right circumstances, He couldn't play at

897
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: tom Brady's level.

898
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: See that's what you're missing.

899
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: See you're looking at him just coming back being a guy,

900
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: a guy Travis Kelsey used to being the guy Tom

901
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: Brady used to being the guy, not a guy. That's

902
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: two different scenarios. And Tom realized, I'm not Tom Brady anymore.

903
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: And see when you Tom Brady, you get measured to

904
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: a younger Tom Brady, not to the guys that's playing now,

905
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: because Tom Brady still could not play half the guys

906
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: that's in the.

907
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: League, Yes, sir, but he couldn't be that guy anymore.

908
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 4: So basically, what you're saying, you don't want to go

909
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 4: out like Aaron Rodgerson.

910
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't like I'm like you when it comes to that.

911
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: But I know what I saw this year, yes sir,

912
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: And I know the Chad saw what they saw this year,

913
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: to sir.

914
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: And that was the.

915
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: Hardest thing because I had to watch film on myself

916
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: a lot, and I just had to come to the conclusion.

917
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: Now I could have came back and played. I mean

918
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: I left. I left my last year. I had seven

919
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: over seven hundred yards almost eight hundred yards, and I

920
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: missed the last game, had eight touchdowns.

921
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: I just couldn't. So I just couldn't give it to

922
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: you week the week.

923
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: Like the old ladies, A round two shatter, all right,

924
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: on Saturday, It's a Monday. Here's my get I get

925
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: you around to Saturday. It's a Monday. Don't bother me.

926
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: I got enough for your Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. I need

927
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: to deal back up. I need to recharge. I need

928
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: to recharge. So, so you believe you believe Tramp comes back?

929
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 4: Man, let me give a composer now, my goddamn ac

930
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: not on man, Okay, go ahead, go ahead, I'm.

931
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: So do you believe you believe Travis comes back?

932
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

933
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely? Listen everything you hear right now. Smoke that's

934
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 4: that's small. That ain't never smoke.

935
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: That's smoke. That's smoke. That's smoke.

936
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he's taking time because guess what, go

937
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: back and look at the take. Yeah, it got Ojo,

938
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: It got harder and harder for him to create separation.

939
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: Right, they had guys covered in what lifetime?

940
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: Would they ever put Tomorrow Hamlet on Travis Kelcey in

941
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: what realm?

942
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: Would they ever do that?

943
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: Right? Where they would take linebackers and they would take

944
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: faith in and say you got it.

945
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a complete mismatch in general, just in general,

946
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 4: the Travis kelce we know, but I can tell you

947
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: one thing, even the way he looks now he won

948
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 4: more matches than he lost. I can tell you that

949
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 4: he won more matches than he lost. But listen, I

950
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 4: understand what he's saying. This is something that not very

951
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 4: many players are given the opportunity or for the opportunity

952
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 4: to be able to do, to be able to decide

953
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 4: whether they want to come back or not. Travis Kelsey

954
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 4: is in a position is suited to that of a quarterback.

955
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think the thing for him, with nothing

956
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: left to prove, there are a lot of opportunities, be

957
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: at the media, be it in the movie, in the

958
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: TV space. I mean, Travis Kelson is gonna get to

959
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to make a lot of money. His

960
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: podcast New Heights with his brother does extremely well. Uh

961
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: you know, you know you hear that he wants to

962
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: get in TV. He wants to get in movie movies.

963
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: You talk about a guy that's six foot five, Uh,

964
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: you know, statuesque. We'll see how well he could act. Uh.

965
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: He did a great job.

966
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: On Saturday Night Live, one of the best performances for

967
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: an athlete that you're gonna see.

968
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: So it tells me he does have the chops in

969
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 2: order to do it. But for me. If I'm him,

970
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna think long and hard because.

971
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: And the thing I was tell him retirement is it's

972
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: there ain't no league that you can go to. It's

973
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 1: not like golf you can go to the senior circuit

974
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: or you like tennis. They got to sing. You know,

975
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: got a little thing that you go play. And you

976
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: see Philippusa's and Mace and Roll and Roddick and all

977
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: those guys playing. Sometimes you see Agacy jump out there.

978
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: They're not that in football, and so retiring and football

979
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: is final. I would take a month or two and thinks, seriously,

980
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: really hard. Am I gonna put the time in the

981
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: time because as you get older, Ojo, now you got

982
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: to do things differently.

983
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: You can't train the way you train like you once could.

984
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: Hey, you know when you're young and you can hear

985
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: a look at the promise, I hear a link today

986
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: and I'm promised I'm gonna work harder tomorrow.

987
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

988
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: You don't work like that. You do diligence. You're eating

989
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: needs to be on point, you're training. I'm not saying

990
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: you didn't trade smarter. Your body can't stand that kind

991
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: of intensity and that's what I had to learn the

992
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: hard way, Ocho, because as I got older, I was

993
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: still trying to train it that intensity. Not so much

994
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: the intensity, it's the volume that got I still had

995
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: the same intensity, but it was the volume that I

996
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: was still trying to do. I was still trying to

997
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: run fifteen twenty two hundreds. I was still trying to

998
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,959
Speaker 1: run twenty twenty five one tens. I was still trying

999
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: to do that volume at the intensity that I was

1000
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: doing in my twenties. Well, I got into my thirties, Lamar,

1001
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: I had the maypop ham scrings. I run two of them.

1002
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: They may pop o yo. That's what I'm That's all

1003
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm That's all I'm saying. So that's the thing that

1004
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta.

1005
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 2: Factory in right. And so I don't I don't want

1006
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't want people.

1007
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 4: Uh.

1008
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: And that's like I said, that's that's his call. But

1009
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: I don't want people like man trash stealing. He can't

1010
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: get open no more. Hein't got nothing to prove. I

1011
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: promise you. If somebody would have told Travis kept said, okay,

1012
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: here you are you a rookie. We're gonna allow you

1013
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: to go to five Super Bowls. You'll be a ten

1014
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: time Pro Bowler, you'll be a four or five time

1015
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: All Pro, and you'll win three super Bowls and you'll be, regardless,

1016
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: one of the two greatest tight ends to ever play.

1017
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: You say he turned that down and said, nah, I

1018
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: want to play long. Does he take it or does he.

1019
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: Turn it down? Are you taking that? You know that?

1020
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: So it's definitely going to be interesting to see. But

1021
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: I can tell it bothered him. There's a lot that

1022
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: bothered him this year. He didn't have He didn't have

1023
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: the type of season that he wanted. He didn't have

1024
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: the individual success. Let me take that back. He didn't

1025
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: have the individual success. He had the team success. They

1026
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: won the division again, they won the AFC again. They

1027
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: didn't win the super Bowl. So that's the ultimate, the

1028
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: ultimate goal. But he wanted that thousand yards. Yeah, he

1029
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: wanted he wanted those numbers. I mean, I don't even

1030
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: know how many trusts down. I mean I think he

1031
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: might have had fewer than five touchdowns. How many touchdowns

1032
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: do you have? Ash because he was on pace two

1033
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: years ago to get a thousand. But remember he sigt

1034
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: out the final game, Oh Joe, because they were already

1035
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: slotted into the third seed, didn't un to run the

1036
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: risk of getting aventured, and so he saw he I

1037
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: think he was like thirty yards short of getting another thousand,

1038
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 1: which would have been eight, eight or nine consecutive thousand

1039
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: yard seasons.

1040
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: He had three touchdowns this year, Joe three. Hey, listen,

1041
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 2: they get it done offensively in a multitude of ways.

1042
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: That's all I got to say.

1043
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: But in order for this offense to really be effective,

1044
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: he has to be dominant. When they got rid of Tyreek,

1045
00:49:52,600 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: he was dominant. Go back and look at it. I

1046
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: don't think i'ma Lie Steale super fan pays for bill

1047
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: board begging Art Rooney to trade.

1048
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: Tomlin will sell the team. The standard is mediocrity. Trade.

1049
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: Tomlin will sell the team. Rooney, We've had enough. The

1050
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: standard is mediocrity.

1051
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 2: Trade. Tomlin will sell the team paid for by Kevin Adams.

1052
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 4: Hey mediocrety seventeen win season above five hundred eighteen seventeen

1053
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 4: win season.

1054
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: That's mediocrity.

1055
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: How many Super Bowl appearances they have him won the

1056
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: playoff games since twenty sixteen is twenty twenty five mediocrity.

1057
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 4: So let me ask you a question. So yes, they

1058
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 4: let Tomlin go right, Yeah, the name is Kevin Adams. Uh,

1059
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 4: Kevin Adams. Yep, you let tomin go?

1060
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: Who you bringing?

1061
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: What?

1062
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 2: See? What happens? What happens there? That's the same thing

1063
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: man and women do.

1064
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: I can't get out of the relationship because who I'm

1065
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: gonna get to replace what I got?

1066
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: And I stayed a bad relationship. You see what you did? Hey?

1067
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: You see and you know what happened time they lead

1068
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: that person.

1069
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 4: Thing in the grass is green on the other side

1070
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 4: and be right there, water and nothing but goddamn soil.

1071
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: But here's the thing though, O Joe, If if Mike

1072
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: Thomas say, the standard is the standards six super Bowls?

1073
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: Where is being above five hundred the standards? Well? Hold on?

1074
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: How you fed that? Hold on? All right?

1075
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 4: Well, listen, we got to be realistic as well. Now

1076
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 4: we have to be realistic as well. You have to

1077
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 4: build yourself up to having a super Bowl team. You

1078
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 4: know what that takes. It takes personnel, you know you

1079
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 4: know what that's that takes. It takes a quarterback, a

1080
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 4: quarterback that is consistent. We don't have any questions coming

1081
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 4: into the season. Who's going to be a starter. Yes,

1082
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 4: Mike Thomas backers that come in to play, even being

1083
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 4: able to get to the standard.

1084
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: So Mike Tomlin has has no say in personnel, He

1085
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: has no say in fredgency, has no say in the

1086
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: final fifty three, He has no say in anything.

1087
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 2: Draft. Yeah he does, he does. So he bears some culpability. Yep.

1088
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: When Ben, when Ben was getting old, When Ben was

1089
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: getting old, not the last year, but when Ben was

1090
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: getting old, did they go out and get another quarterback?

1091
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: Nah?

1092
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: When father was getting old, what did the factors do?

1093
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: They wouldn't get Roy. When Rogers was getting old, what

1094
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: did they do? O?

1095
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: Joe did what?

1096
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: I got? George love the pack? When Ben Rothlisberger was

1097
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: getting old? What did they do?

1098
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: Then? Letting wither on the vine? They let him?

1099
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: That's Tomblin letting wither on the vine.

1100
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good one. I hain't ever heard that

1101
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 2: before with on the vine.

1102
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, I mean, when when you watched

1103
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: the steat, when you look at the Steelers h and

1104
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: at any point in time do you say, you know what,

1105
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: that didn't even go to the super Bowl? When was

1106
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: the last time you said it o't Joe. Uh.

1107
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: During my tenure.

1108
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, during my tenure, every every year we

1109
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 4: played them, they were a team whose identity was their offense. No,

1110
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 4: then he was their defense. They had the opportunity to

1111
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 4: go to Super Bowl. Now I haven't seen that. Still,

1112
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 4: the game in general, the landscape of the game is

1113
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 4: changed in general.

1114
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: As far as the Steelers the Browns, No, they they've

1115
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 2: been shifted.

1116
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: They shifted once they got Ben a B and the

1117
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: off Yeah, but they were an office. They used to

1118
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: be a defensive base team. Early early in Ben's career.

1119
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: They were a defensive based football team. They had Troy,

1120
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: they had r C that had Ryan Clark, that had

1121
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: pas Uh. You know, they had those guys like a

1122
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: foot names Farrier, Tim and right.

1123
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't. They haven't given us that feel in

1124
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: a very long time, in a very long time.

1125
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 4: But in order to do that, in order to define

1126
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 4: that consistency again, it takes time. It takes drafting, it

1127
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 4: takes all the acquisitions, it takes finding a quarterback, finding

1128
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 4: a franchise quarterback.

1129
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: That's where it all starts. Huh, that's where it all starts.

1130
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 4: And you don't have a franchise quarterback, then you have

1131
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: to have a dominating defense. You got to have a

1132
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 4: dominating defense and a quarterback that gets you by a

1133
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 4: week the week and doesn't put your team in harm's way.

1134
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: That's hard. But the year the Bears went to the

1135
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, huh yeah, who is the quarterback? Yeah? Rex rossmor.

1136
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: Dominate Those days over, Joe, you ain't got a defense

1137
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: good enough to overcome back.

1138
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 2: Those days are over. Those days over.

1139
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: So I don't even know why you would attempt to

1140
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: build your team like that, because that's not happening. They

1141
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: won't allow you to play that top brand of football anymore.

1142
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: But when you but here's the problem that he has

1143
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: talk to me. Lamar Jackson is twenty seven. Joe Burr

1144
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: is also in that division. Yeah, hey, so while you

1145
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: going nine and eight every year, or you go ten

1146
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: and seven, what is that gonna get you? Patrick Mahomes

1147
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: is a about to turn thirty. Josh Allen is twenty eight.

1148
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to figure out what is that?

1149
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: What is tenny seven? I'm gonna get you what is not?

1150
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: And they gonna get you.

1151
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: Oh, just Steve Mike Thomlins has never had a losing season,

1152
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: and he didn't won a playoff game in nine years.

1153
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: Make sure you put that in. Make sure you put

1154
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: that in the bio too. Mike Toomer has never had

1155
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: a losing teason. He also hadn't won a playoff games

1156
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: since twenty sixteen.

1157
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: I just want to know. I just want to know

1158
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: what the alternative is. That's all. You cannot be afraid

1159
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: of being unknown. See that's the problem.

1160
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 4: I can say, y'all, I can tell you what's gonna

1161
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 4: happen with the unknown. Listen, We've been around this game

1162
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 4: long enough, and you know it's gonna happen. Let him

1163
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 4: go and find out. Let what Kevin Adams want to happen.

1164
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: They said that with it?

1165
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: And did they say that with Brett farre Did they

1166
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: say that with Brett Farv Yes or no?

1167
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 2: Did they say that with Aaron Rodgers? Yes or no?

1168
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: Do you do know?

1169
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 4: And we're I'm just don't we We were able to

1170
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 4: see a simple side in what was coming after No, you.

1171
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: Didn't you knew, you did not see.

1172
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: You saw what Aaron Rodgers played one game when Brett

1173
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: Farb got hurt.

1174
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: You didn't see no sample size. He played one game.

1175
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: Jeordan Love played one game and it looked terrible against

1176
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Do you remember when Aaron Rodgers had had

1177
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: COVID and he couldn't play, and you saw Jeordan Love

1178
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: play against Kansas City ow of the look? Did you

1179
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: think Jordan loved the Jordan Love that we see now?

1180
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: Did you think he was gonna be that? After watching

1181
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: that Kansas City game? I'm just asking, all right, don't

1182
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: listen to me, don't listen to me.

1183
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,479
Speaker 4: Listen to Kevin Adams and go ahead and go ahead,

1184
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 4: and let coach go watch what happened.

1185
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: Oh Joe. At some point in time, Tennis self is

1186
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: not gonna do it.

1187
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: I understand if the standard is a standard, if your

1188
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: standard is playing for Lombardies, they're not close.

1189
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a new boy. Why are they not close?

1190
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 4: It ain't the coaches, Because if your coach ain't on

1191
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 4: the field, he ain't on the field.

1192
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: You know what you need, you know what you need

1193
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: to get. Well, it was that the case called I

1194
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 2: got right.

1195
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 4: Now, look at all the teams that were in the

1196
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 4: playoffs this year, what is the common dot common denominator?

1197
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 4: They all had what at the hem running the show?

1198
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 4: They all had what a consistent what a consistent quarterback. Hey,

1199
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 4: the Chiefs, the Ravens Cej's drouting company earlier. Damns, he

1200
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 4: comes in and turn and what did he do to

1201
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 4: the franchise.

1202
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: It's funny that you said the Ravens.

1203
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: I remember the Ravens had a quarterback and Joe Flacco

1204
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: that took him to the Super Bowl.

1205
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: What did all they do? Some do drafted his quarterback?

1206
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 4: Oh well, it was the last time we had Lamar

1207
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 4: Jackson just sitting there in the draft.

1208
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: You drafted a quarterback, Oh, Joe. Because you don't wait

1209
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: till the quarterback. Whether you don't wait till the fruit

1210
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: fall off the tree, you'll see, you see you want

1211
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: to wait.

1212
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: To the very end. Not me, not me. I ain't

1213
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: not mean nothing, not me.

1214
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm because because because no, because you said you feel

1215
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: the unknown.

1216
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: Oh I don't feel that.

1217
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 5: I know.

1218
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 4: We talk about him fire, about fire and firing tom

1219
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 4: when there's nothing in place.

1220
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: There's nothing in place. You ain't playing a nan seed.

1221
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: But you want tomow gone? What that's it? That's all

1222
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: you know?

1223
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: Have?

1224
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: You have your ducks in the road. Okay, what's next?

1225
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't always work out like that where you have

1226
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: the perfect where we got a CEO, he's gonna retire,

1227
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,479
Speaker 1: and we got the CEO and waited. It doesn't work

1228
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: like that. That's so if so In other words, you

1229
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: want perfect life. You know you know this is what happens.

1230
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: We already know it.

1231
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 4: Don't have to be it, don't have to be perfect.

1232
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 4: But I damn you want some answers. I want something

1233
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 4: to fall back on. I want that, And no, it

1234
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 4: ain't nothing to fall back on right now. I can

1235
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 4: tell you that. So so you good, So you're good

1236
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 4: for the next ten years.

1237
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: Be not an age seven. Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen,

1238
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: I ain't got no horse in the race. I am not.

1239
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: I love the Steelers, I love the fans, I love

1240
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: the people, I love ownership, I love the coaches, I

1241
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: love the formal players. I'm a bangal. Listen.

1242
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 4: If they don't figure it out, that's better for us. Shit,

1243
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 4: I'm not tripping, that's better for us now. I'm just speaking,

1244
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 4: standing into context that what Kevin Madims is saying to

1245
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 4: let the man, let missus Tomlin go. Well, I mean,

1246
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 4: what's your backup plan? You got to have a backup plan. Listen,

1247
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 4: before a woman leave, she already knows who the backup

1248
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 4: plan is huh, yes, yeah, she don't just she don't

1249
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 4: just up and leave just to be up and leaving

1250
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 4: and be like, Okay, I'm back at square one, Now

1251
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 4: what do I do.

1252
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: That's not the way things work. That's not the way things.

1253
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 4: Operate, especially at that level. If a movie can be made,

1254
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 4: they're going to have a strategy, an exit plan before

1255
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 4: they just do it. As a fan, they just want,

1256
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 4: you know.

1257
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: What, fuck it, get him up out of here, he

1258
00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: got to go. I think the thing is, look is

1259
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: this is this is a family business.

1260
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: They've owned the Steelers since nineteen thirty three, with the

1261
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: exception of maybe a year or two. Uh, and that's

1262
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: where the mcglatch, the mclitche's purchased in that state. I

1263
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: think they still have a share of the team. But

1264
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: for the most part, this is the Rooney's bait darling.

1265
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: Now they have some other brothers that's in the casino

1266
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: business and things of that nature. But this is this

1267
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: is this is, this is their baby. And guess what,

1268
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: y'all ain't got no basketball team in Pittsburgh and your

1269
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: baseball team terrible, So guess what the fans gonna come

1270
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: out and the Ruiners. They've had three coaches since nineteen

1271
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:39,959
Speaker 1: sixty nine. Chuck no Bill Cower, no Mike Tomlin, all

1272
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: of them. None of them got fired. They walked away

1273
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: on their own turn. The Rooneys are looking at it

1274
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: like we're not bad. They're they're just good enough to give,

1275
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: to give the fans false hope.

1276
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 2: You know they're not close. Oh you know what, you'd

1277
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: rather be the rather be the Steelers, You'd rather be

1278
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: the Cowboys.

1279
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: Tell about false hope, which is heavy your tourn of

1280
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: bricks or a ton of feathers. They weighed the same.

1281
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: The only difference is the Steelers have been to the

1282
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They have been to an ANFC championship game,

1283
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: but I think they lost to the They lost to

1284
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots, if that might have been the last time

1285
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: they want a playoff game. It's just tough because this

1286
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: is not the Steelers that were used to see. We're

1287
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: used to seeing the Steelers really like in ten, like

1288
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: really have a serious legitimate chance of getting to him

1289
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl, and we haven't seen that. That's

1290
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: not something that we could say that we've been able

1291
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: to say for the last damn near decade.

1292
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: Oh Joe been a long time. It's been a real

1293
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: long time.

1294
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: And it's not like the Ravens are gonna get worse,

1295
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: the Bengals are going to try to try ad.

1296
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: It's like, look, we're wasting Joe burrow our prime years.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland, Cleveland is Cleveland, Cleveland clean the Browns or the Browns.

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Speaker 1: But at some point in time, oh Joe. All I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is I don't advocate anybody getting fired, But all

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Speaker 1: I am saying is this, at some point in time,

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Speaker 1: nine to eight tendencee ain't gonna cut it and losing

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Speaker 1: in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Right, You're right. I can't argue with that. The volume