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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Bonnie Buckner with us PhD is the founder and CEO

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Speaker 2: of the International Institute for Dreaming and Imagery and the

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Speaker 2: author of the incredible book The Secret Mind, Unlock the

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Speaker 2: Power of Dreams and to Transform your Life. She's the

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Speaker 2: program lead for George Washington University's One Humanity Leadership Coaching

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Speaker 2: Certification program, where she teaches dreaming to help develop coaches. Bonnie,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you so much, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Whereabouts in France are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm in the south of France today.

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Speaker 2: How often do you get out there? Do you live there?

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Speaker 3: I'm living here? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: How long you been out there?

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Speaker 3: I've been out here thirteen years now.

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Speaker 2: How do you like it?

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Speaker 3: I really love it. And you know, I did not

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Speaker 3: plan to move here. It all came from dreams. It

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Speaker 3: was a total dreaming story. For over a year. My

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Speaker 3: night dreams repeated, go to France, go to.

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Speaker 2: France, and so I'm here and it worked out for you.

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Speaker 3: It's working out great. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: How long you've been studying dreams.

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Speaker 3: I've been well, I've been into dreams since I was

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Speaker 3: about three years old, and I've been formally studying dreams

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two years something like that.

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Speaker 2: It's your career now, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what made you decide to make that shift from

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Speaker 2: what you were doing before to what you're doing now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? You know. I So when I was about three

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Speaker 3: years old, I just had so many nightmares and there

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Speaker 3: was a moment where I was sort of thinking through

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Speaker 3: like little kids, do you know, can I just never

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Speaker 3: go to sleep again? And what can I do to

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Speaker 3: never go to sleep again? And then it kind of

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Speaker 3: just hit me, oh, wait, I need to figure out

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Speaker 3: how to deal with my nightmares, and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: teach other people to do the same. And that's kind

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Speaker 3: of what my thing is going to be here on

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Speaker 3: this planet. And I was really really lucky to be

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Speaker 3: raised by a family of dreamers, particularly my father and

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Speaker 3: my grandmother, who told stories about dreams that had figured

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Speaker 3: in very important decisions in our family's life. And so

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Speaker 3: it was kind of always in my background. But I

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Speaker 3: did other things. I worked in Hollywood for a while,

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Speaker 3: and I started a political media research company and it's

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Speaker 3: still my dreaming was so active, and there were things

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Speaker 3: in my dreams that were kind of pushing me to

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Speaker 3: move into doing dreaming and both as messages for my

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Speaker 3: dreams and a desire. And I, through a series of dreams,

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Speaker 3: met someone who had become my dream teacher, doctor Catherine Schemberg,

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Speaker 3: of ancient tradition of dreaming, and I started studying with her,

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Speaker 3: and then I went by to school and got my

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Speaker 3: PhD in psychology and study dreams from an academic sense

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Speaker 3: as well. And there you have it. I made the switch.

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Speaker 2: What would make a little three year old girl have nightmares?

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Speaker 3: Though? You know, coming into a human form is a

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Speaker 3: big deal, and we tend to as adults we forget

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Speaker 3: what a major amount of stimulus the world is. You know,

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Speaker 3: from a windy day to a rainy day, those are

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Speaker 3: major things to a new being on this planet. And

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Speaker 3: a lot of kids do have nightmares. I personally think

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Speaker 3: it's just integrating all of this new sensory information and

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Speaker 3: putting it into our little tiny bodies and these big

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Speaker 3: energies that we have that are stuffed into these little bodies,

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Speaker 3: and trying to make sense of it all. Get to

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Speaker 3: know it, really do we all dreams. Yeah, we all

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Speaker 3: dream every night. Every night. It's just a question of

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Speaker 2: Our dreams are not there's so many various different types

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Speaker 2: of dreams. Do you specialize in any specific area, like

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Speaker 2: lucid or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: No, And in fact, the tradition that I work with

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Speaker 3: and teach, we look at seven different kinds of dreams.

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Speaker 3: So there's nightmare, which is on one end of the spectrum,

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Speaker 3: and there's great dreams or dreams of union on the

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Speaker 3: other end of the spectrum. And you can become lucid

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Speaker 3: in any of these dreams. You're less likely to be

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Speaker 3: different kinds of dreams also correspond to how we live

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Speaker 3: our life. I mean, if you think about it, there

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Speaker 3: are certain moments. I mean, it's taxes and George. So

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Speaker 3: But we also have moments where things are pretty clear

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Speaker 3: we're in love, or where we have a newborn in

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Speaker 2: Bonnie, Do dreams come from the brain or the collective

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Speaker 2: consciousness or some other place?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big question getting balanced around these days.

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Speaker 3: I will speak more from the wisdom tradition that I teach,

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Speaker 3: which is that dreams come from the body. And I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you why we talk about it that way. It's

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Speaker 3: dreams invoke our bodies. Our bodies move in dreams. That's

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Speaker 3: we also have the release of certain chemicals in our

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Speaker 3: But dreams use our senses because that's how we interact

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Speaker 3: fruit from a tree. We experience life with all of

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Speaker 3: our senses. It's sort of the senses are our gateways

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Speaker 3: for outside stimulus to come into our inner experiencing thinking,

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Speaker 3: integrating processing, and so all of that. Integrating processing is

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Speaker 3: the gist of our dreams and the way we kind

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Speaker 3: of look at it is whatever experiences I'm having on

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Speaker 3: There's a whole associative cognition that goes on there. I

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Speaker 3: the form of an image. And dreams are composed of

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Speaker 3: many images. So it's our body understanding, integrating processing and

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Speaker 4: And I know you're going to want some them after

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Speaker 4: hearing this. This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen

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Speaker 4: and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. I understand that Malachi,

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Speaker 4: who is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering

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Speaker 4: as significant outbreak of warts all over his body, so

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Speaker 4: significant it impacted his ability to really function.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to

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Speaker 5: right Epiciti's book. Actually, that got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 5: It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 5: see that it would work.

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Speaker 4: And what point did you see that there was actually

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Speaker 5: Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 5: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 5: and then going down to with just little red monks.

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Speaker 5: The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 5: you know one the size of the warner.

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Speaker 1: I thought, no.

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Speaker 5: Way, that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see

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Speaker 5: them get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see.

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Speaker 4: I'm so happy and yes, it absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.

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Speaker 2: TI, this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Years ago I had there's some callers call into the program.

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Speaker 2: You're going to get calls next hour, and then he

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Speaker 2: told me an incredible story, and I want to get

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Speaker 2: your expertise on this, okay. He ended up marrying the

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Speaker 2: woman of his dreams. Literally, he would dream of this lady.

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Speaker 2: He didn't know her, never met her, but he would

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Speaker 2: dreaming about you for two years. She stopped and said, Paul,

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Speaker 2: How do you explain that?

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Speaker 3: I love that story, George, thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: telling it. You know, we're all connected, so if you

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Speaker 3: and I said the body, because that's how we receive it.

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Speaker 3: the people animals dream also, so all the animals, we're

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Speaker 3: I'm a big believer in mystery, and there is for

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Speaker 2: My daughter had a nine to eleven dream, which we

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Speaker 2: horrid pictures on that day. Yeah, but several days before

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Speaker 2: you think this means? I said, when? Do you have

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Speaker 2: no idea? Well, then several days later, when nine eleven

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Speaker 2: pictures looked exactly as they described, walking through heavy dust,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know a lot of people have reported nine

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Speaker 3: in personal things. I had, you know, a dream before

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Speaker 2: How many how many different kinds of dreams are there

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Speaker 3: How many? Yeah, you know, in this tradition we look

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Speaker 3: I talk about this sort of primanent ish premonition dreams

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Speaker 2: Is that a gift to have a premonition dream?

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Speaker 3: I mean it can be. I think it's it's are

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Speaker 3: It's just for some of us it's a more important

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Speaker 2: What gives us the difference between precognitive and just a

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Speaker 3: Well, how are you defining precognitive.

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Speaker 2: The ability to see the future in a dream?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So you know there's in this tradition, there's

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Speaker 3: And part of why that and it's not one hundred

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Speaker 3: were picking up on it because, as I said, there

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Speaker 3: it happened. And yet still we have the ability to choose,

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Speaker 3: and there could have been different choices made that would have,

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Speaker 3: you know, made those dreams just a dream. What makes

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Speaker 2: It is remarkable how it happens, isn't it, Fanny, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 3: Is, And to me I find it reassuring that we're

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Speaker 2: Is it dangerous to sometimes dream? Can you die in

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Speaker 3: Well? I have never known anyone to do that. I

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Speaker 3: died in my dream, but it's a different kind of death.

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Speaker 3: It's a death of the ego or an old identity,

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Speaker 3: I don't know of anyone who's died in their dreams.

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Speaker 3: I think there was one research study many many years

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Speaker 2: But how do we know that people who have died

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Speaker 2: in their sleep, heart attacks, whatever, may have had some

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Speaker 3: Maybe, But you know what, George, maybe they had just

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Speaker 2: That could be. Your book is called The Secret Mind.

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Speaker 2: Where do you get it?

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Speaker 3: You can get on Amazon or wherever you find your books.

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Speaker 2: Do dreams sometimes scare you.

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Speaker 3: Me personally? Yeah, and everybody? Yeah. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: and we had a meeting last night and we're talking

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Speaker 3: and yet there also is just a continuation of a

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