WEBVTT - Draft Show: Rolling Along 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.320 You know what that means. It's time for a brand 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.840 new episode of The Draft Show, presented by Miller Lite. 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:10.280 I am David Hellman. I assume most people listening to 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:13.119 this are listening and not watching. But Jeff Kavanaugh with 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:18.200 the very very animated introductions for everybody over here in 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:23.320 the studio, Brian brought us Kyle Yeoman's guys. I'm coming 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.680 back from a brief vacation. So I feel like it's 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.080 been a minute. It's good to see y'all. What's going on. 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:30.360 Great to see you as well. Do you have fun? 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.200 I did? Yeah, it was really great, just letting y'all 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.239 handle all the free agency madness, every all of the 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.839 anger and angst. And that was a pretty well timed vacation. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:42.720 I'm not mad about it. I'm not mad about it. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.920 How are we doing? Brian doing great? Just kind of 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.800 banging through these guys. Man, this you're gonna wake up 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.600 one day and it's going to be the Draft. Yeah, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.400 tell me about it. It's much twenty second and then 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:53.600 that's what's crazy about this. And you know you're getting 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:55.959 the pro days knocked out. These quarterbacks are all going 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.200 this week Texas A and m Rolls with a couple 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:02.360 of guys that you're gonna have Coach is probably interested in. So, yeah, 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.520 it's a it's a good week. I'll give you you 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.720 know what, we'll play choose our own adventure today because 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.280 there's a few things I want to hit you kind 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.959 of alluded to it right there. We can start with 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.360 sort of a Pro day wrap up, because there's actually 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.679 a decent amount of things happening in the world of 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:20.200 Pro days right now. Or we can sort of look 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.680 at what the Cowboys have done since y'all were last 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:24.880 on the air in terms of free agency and how 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:26.800 that affects our thoughts on the draft. What would you 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.400 rather do first, We're gonna do both. Yeah, talk about 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.000 your football team. Okay, talk about your football teams because 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.760 that might carry you to what you might do in 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.160 the future. Which it's actually I can hear. I can 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.880 hear the eye rolls from here about how significant the 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.679 moves are. But it was a busy few days for 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.080 the Cowboys getting pretty involved. Literally right after y'all go 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.240 off the air on Thursday, they start adding James Washington, 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.080 Dante Fowler come on from outside the team. They bring 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.600 back Layton vander esh on a one year deal. Yesterday 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.480 we find out that Jay Curse is also back on 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.880 a two year deal. So primarily defensive signings, addressing some 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.080 of the problem spots on the defensive side of the ball, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.680 also adding a third receiver to go behind Michael Gallup 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:16.240 and Ceedee Lamb. How and for my money, this is 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.920 this is quintessential Cowboys in the sense that most of 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.400 these guys are going to fail your hole the holes 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:25.000 on your roster without changing your draft strategy. You're not 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.400 going to go away from somebody in the draft because 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.400 James Washington is here. I assume that's how y'all see it, 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:31.840 but I don't know. Take me through it. How do 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.400 you feel about these guys? I kind of think that 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.839 the three guys you signed Vandresh, Washington and Fowler could 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.400 all be replaced with draft picks. This is the Will McClay. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.400 I'm going to protect myself going in. I'm not married 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.519 to any one of these guys. If Dan Quinn somehow 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:53.480 magically makes Fowler play really well, then say Washington fits 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.120 into what they're trying to do in the room, then 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.840 you know, maybe that's the possibility of those guys. But 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.360 this is right, This is the Cowboys just protecting themselves 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.560 in case things don't work out like they need to 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.959 in the draft, and Fowler is very Cowboys where it's 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:13.400 former top five pick has had NFL success, but for 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.440 two years he hadn't been a good NFL player and 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.720 so hey, but he's going with dan Quinn now, and 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.560 so he's gonna be Dorance Armstrong, I think is clearly 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:27.960 like starting over Dante Fowl. I left out Dorrence. I'm sorry, 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.000 good good called Dorance Armstrong also agreeing to come. That's 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.560 going to be a rotation, but yeah, Armstrong would be 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.040 that number one in that road time. I think a 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.360 lot of people hear the name Dante Fowler and it's like, heck, yeah, dude, 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.880 we got our other starting defensive end. And I'm like, hey, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.840 I don't think you did. I think you got a fun, 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:49.160 athletic speed rusher that at one time was really effective. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.800 And that one time was three and four years ago. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.119 So he's not too old to still be good at football. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.920 So there's reason for optimism. But you did not get 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.560 at a top two defensive end on your team. Now. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.160 This is this is dan Quinn doing a great job 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:10.240 last year bringing guys on and so Will's asking him, Hey, Dan, 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.800 what do you think Fowler's out there? You have any 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.640 interested Yeah, I know the kid. I could probably help him. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.000 This is where you, like last year, we weren't talking 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.880 about curse. The curse signing was. We were thinking all 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.440 the bad safeties that they'd always signed and this wasn't 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.120 going to work. I know when Jeff and I were 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.440 doing radio together, it was more about, well, this is 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.159 a special teams guy. This is a guy though maybe 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.320 a special teams guy. You know, if he had to 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:36.440 play safety, you were going to be like, oh my god, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.719 what's he doing out there? Kind of thing. So this 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.160 is your hope that maybe Dan Quinn continues the magic 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.960 of picking guys that he formally had and then making 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.480 it work and to continue the hope train. I think 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.599 James Washington's kind of the same thing. Yeah, James Washington 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.120 is a guy that trying. I'm really trying, Kyle, maybe 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.000 you can help me out. You're a pro broadcaster more 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.719 than I am. Okay, I'm trying to find a way 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:05.159 to be nicer about saying he's never been a good 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:09.000 NFL player like James Washington. You're right, that's not very nice. 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.960 He's been. He's been, he's been on a roster mediocre 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.440 along the way, right, that's the best way to put it. So, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.200 like James Washington, however you want to measure it for 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.520 NFL receiver play has not been good. But where you 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.640 would draw hope if it was like, Okay, he's going 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.120 to be the Cowboys third receiver, then you would be 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.680 leaning on I think, well, I remember in college he's 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.880 not a burner, but he was a really good deep threat, 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.200 Like he made plays down the field. He was in 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.640 Pittsburgh with an old man whose arm was shot, and 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.320 so you can, like you can rationalize your way to 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.320 thinking he could be decent here, but he's not. I 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.120 don't think he's a starter on your team. No, I 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.480 think you're drafting one. Jeff's right. I mean, he's never 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.039 developed a game underneath. There's never been a shorter intermediate 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:53.760 game to him. You know when you talk to the 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.000 guys that pro evaluators around the league and they say, 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.520 sometimes he doesn't even catch the ball deep. Now you 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.920 know that's thing again, This is this is a this 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.320 is one of those signings inexpensive if it doesn't work, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:09.520 if the fifth receivers six receivers better that you found Boom, 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.400 you move on. I'm also I can't help but think 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.880 about the fact that the Steelers are gods at finding receivers, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:18.880 like they're so good at it. You go back to 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.719 Antonio Brown at least for a season, or Mike whatever. 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.320 I'm just hey, I go on, went back to Hines Ward, Okay, fine, 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.880 Santonio Holme. Santonio was a pretty quick Claypool. Deante Johnson 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:33.680 is doing it for them, went to a Pro Bowl 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.440 this year. I'm just say he's a third round pick. 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.800 He was drafted after as the league's fault. He told 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.920 him he was drafted after James Washington. That's all I'm 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.400 saying on one of my hits. I'm just saying the 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.320 fact that he has avoweds people were looking for in 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.880 a place like Pittsburgh is interesting to me, not that 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:52.599 he can't find it here. He was on the back 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.640 end of a career of Ben Roethlisberger, though He's never 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.000 had a quarterback at least in his prime enough like 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:02.640 Dak Prescott to be able to push it down field exactly, 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.200 and neither could Mason Rudolph either. So either one of 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.960 those guys couldn't find it. This This plays into where 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.360 I wanted to go next, because I think if I'm 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.720 if I'm stacking it, you look at the names we 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.920 all just said, if I'm stacking it, receiver still looks 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.120 to me like the position most in need of a 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.400 draft pick. Of the they haven't signed a guard. I'm 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.600 talking about like the guys that they the positions that 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.440 they have addressed. Yeah, I mean right now, and there's 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.600 still plenty of time left to sign a veteran guard. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.600 Right now, that left guard spot just looks like hilarious. 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.640 It's a blinking red light in terms of what they 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.040 might want to do in the draft. But so receiver 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.800 to me still looks like a problem spot even with Washington. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:46.239 For me, safety, knowing that jay Ron Curse and Malie 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.360 Cooker are both back here on multi year deals, not 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.760 saying you couldn't draft one, but I'm sort of looking 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.280 away from that. And as a guy who just said 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.480 that James Washington's never been good and Dante Feller hasn't 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.320 been good for more than two years, uh, I think 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.400 potentially you can be good at safety. Like Malie Cooker 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.920 was coming along better as the season went along, and 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:10.120 playing Jayron Curse was great, but I guess the league 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.160 didn't buy into his one year sample size, and so 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.520 you got him on a great bargain. You might be 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.200 really good on the back end. When's the last time 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.160 that we've sat here, legitimately a month away from the 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:25.000 draft looking at these positions of need and you haven't 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.080 had a secondary position really up at the top of 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.120 the list at All Woods been a long Roy Williams 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.400 and whatever the corners were. Maybe I will take Stingley 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.040 if he comes rolling down, I see. But that's kind 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.280 of the same thing with anything here is if the 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.760 right player is there, don't go away from your board 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.760 picked the best player there. I do think they're short 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.920 and free agency still they need to sign a guard 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.000 because I don't think you can sell yourself or your 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.560 fan base on McGovern because you tried to, tried to 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.160 like it was a we benched a guy, so you're up, buddy, 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.760 and then a couple weeks later like never kidding, I'm 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.040 just about that. I haven't any to sign a guard. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.640 They could sign a linebacker. You're still short their depth wise. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:13.120 But outside of that, feel draft, I don't feel like 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.040 I don't feel good Darius Smith I think is an 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.400 official yet, but I mean he tweeted out a quote 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.000 from the Purple People leaders, so I feel like he's 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:26.600 probably if I'm not comfortable with what they're they're starting 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.440 defensive ends. Like if you play a numbers game, you 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:33.800 could go, Okay, my starters are tank endurance, I have 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:41.839 Golston Basham Fouler. You're almost there. Kind of there. You're 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.079 forgetting a piece of this that I think is important. 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:48.000 He doesn't play in just talking about the MICA's name 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.720 Michael Parsons, so I guess he's six edges. Like in theory, 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:56.679 you could go knowing that Micah has that potential. Yeah, 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.520 I kind of feel fine. I'm not saying it's great. 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.440 I'm definitely not is like your standard d N and 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.240 then it's like, hey, we're rushing the pastor and excuse me, 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.640 Mike is basically yeah, I'm going to point out a 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.320 concern we all should have and when it comes to 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:13.199 this guard position is the fact that the scouts really 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.200 really pushed for McGovern. I mean that grade was a 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.280 one to one. Yeah, that's the top of a second 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.640 round grade. The offensive line coach wanted nothing to do 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.839 with him. Now you're in a position where who is 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.000 going to win this battle? Is Philban gonna win the 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.600 battle over the scouts? So the scout's going to feel 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.920 scarred that they pushed a guy that Philbin didn't like. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.640 And then all of a sudden, now you're ine, That's 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:41.800 what I'm saying. Philan wasn't here when Connor McGovern was drafted. No, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.200 but he but he's but he saw that he got 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.959 to work with the player. Yeah, you know, he basically 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.400 you know, he got to put the player in there 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.200 and then basically then pulled the guy to the point 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.560 where you know, well he's he could basically say also, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.559 I'm using the word basically a lot. But he says, 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.680 you know, all right, Scouts, I showed you the guy 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.480 can't play. You want me to You want me to 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.160 put another guy in there? You wan to play with 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.240 somebody else. I'm gonna put put Connor, put Connor Williams 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.200 back in there. This is where I worry a little 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.480 bit about such an important position that there might be 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.440 the biggest divide. Well that you Philbin's at the pro 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.160 day of your next left guards. It's a beautiful say. 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.480 If they don't like Green seriously, if they don't like green, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.000 if that's if that's in fact, maybe scoot on over 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.360 to Boston College. Let's know, that's what I'm saying. I 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.640 worry a little bit because all of a sudden, the 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.040 scouts are thinking, like, we're gonna we like this guy. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.760 Phillipin's like, you guys blew the McGovern pick, you know, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.480 and so all of a sudden, now there's there's doubt 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.920 and Jerry Jones mind like, Okay, which way is this 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.599 room going? Right now? That's not a bad point. Somebody, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.160 somebody criticized me recently because I said Connor mcgoverney, it's fair. 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.320 I said, Connor McGovern has been a disappointment since he 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.320 got drafted, and they were like, well, he was like 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.839 pick ninety, how could you you know? He was? No, 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.200 They're great on him, was a high and I I 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.040 set back was like, look, I get that he was 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.160 a late third round pick, but the hype on this 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.640 guy was that like the league had made this terrible 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.760 mistake letting him fall to that spot. We just used 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.400 Jason Garrett's pet phrase blinking red light, and that hasn't 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.400 been the case. So that does make me curious and 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:21.240 so Joe Philbin is at he's in college station right now, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.760 right along with add and Dirty, a lot of prospects 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.240 down there for them to look at. Between the two 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.840 of them. What do you think that process looks like, Well, 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.880 Joe Philbin looking at Kenyon Green and being like, okay, 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.599 this is the guy. They all a yeah. And to 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.440 Jeff's point, then this is where you know, Philbin, this 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.960 is my experience of being in that room. Coaches carry 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:43.520 a lot of weight. And so what happens is when 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.760 it comes down to scouts might be pushing for Zion Johnson, 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.400 someone like, well, you know, we worked out to Zion 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.000 Johnson and we really like him a lot, and he 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.040 can do this, and he could play tackle, and he 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.160 could do you know, all those things. And you know, 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.440 Philbin might say, no, Green's a better player, and then 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.000 the scouts say, well, he's not athletically a testing a 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.080 better player. You know, what do you want? How do 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:05.840 you want to play your guys? Joe? What we've learned 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.400 about you is you like the guys to have a 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.120 little mobility and a little you know. And so there's 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.800 going to be an argument there and it might turn 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.079 to the point where they don't. You know, we'll see 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.200 does do they end up with the guy that Joe 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.840 Philbin liked or the guy that the scouts like, and 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.560 maybe maybe they'll like the same guy. Maybe it will 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.199 be the same guy. But you've got a little doubt 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.040 now on my mind because that that you know, they 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:33.679 they the scouts loved, loved, you know, loved you know, 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:38.320 the guard governor McGovern and Joe's like, nah, not so much. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:43.600 How uncommon is it for there to be like wide 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.080 disagreements about like first round caliber players, you know, like, 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.200 I get it if you're arguing about a guy down 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.040 the line, but one of these guys that you're most 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.640 of the draft community agrees is like a top thirty pick. 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:56.720 You guys don't have you have a guard in the 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.160 first round? Designed Johnson the first round guard for you guys. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.640 Yeah him angry? Okay there too. Okay, So you guys 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.920 got first round grades on those guys. So to me, 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.839 if that's the case, that will be interesting that the debate. 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.720 I don't know, we'll see if they have first round 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.520 grades on both those guys. But to me, I kind 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.000 of feel like though that you know, and I know 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.480 in this organization you know, the coaches went down. We've 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.320 seen the drafts before with the Tristan Hills and the 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:24.320 Tacos and people like that. Coaches went out here and 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.560 it's been that way for a long, long long time. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.880 You know. Mike McCarthy's now on the road scouting. He 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.120 never had to scout in his life, you know, in 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.920 Green Bay. But he's also probably looking at the situation, like, hmm, 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.160 the thing about replacing me with dan Quinn. Dan Quinn's 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:39.960 out there every day. Maybe I should get my big 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:41.720 erer out there and do some scouting. Let me get 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.240 some of these Pennsylvania kids. Yeah, well he's no, he's 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.880 sitting penn State. You know, his schedule is like Penn State. 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.640 Now he's think he's going to Old Miss Pittsburgh, you know, 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.160 yeah those are both on Thursday. Yeah, So I mean 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.440 he's he's you know, he's trying to get out there 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.800 because again, we give dan Quinn a lot of credit 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.120 for the way this defensive side of the ball was shaped. 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:06.160 Speaking of pro days, speaking of defensive side of the ball, probably, 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.880 I mean, we can hit Kenny Pickett's hand size if 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.800 y'all want to. He got bigger baby his hands magically 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:16.480 drew a Yeah. Right, But the big development coming from 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.320 the pro day circuit is a crappy one, unfortunately. But 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.920 David Najavo the Michigan Edge towards Achilles during his workout, 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.840 I kinda I hate how callous it is to immediate 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.320 you know, this is this is a life altering injury, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.680 and they're taking him at fifty six. That's all right, 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:34.560 I mean that's where I'm going. Four kids, has lost 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.280 a lot of money. Jeff doesn't know how to be nice, 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.440 so just take me there. Poor guy just lost a 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.880 decent amount of money. Uh. It takes I think it 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.960 takes a pretty severe injury to draft to drop your 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:48.800 draft stock. Because even you remember Jeffrey Simmons the defensive 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.760 tap and he still went like eighteenth overall with the 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.280 torn acl and he got out there for some of 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:58.640 his rookie year, blown out Achilles in March. You're probably 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.160 red shirting. Yeah, it was a pretty good time to play. 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:02.640 You're not going to play that. You're not that guy 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:06.560 at the Rams. Yeah, so you're probably not going to play. Yeah. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:12.400 And in David Ojabo's situation especially, I view him as 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.120 a guy that is a rookie would have been a Hey, 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.360 it's time to rush the quarterback, go in there. Yeah, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:24.360 not necessarily a let's go play, so right, I think 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.160 he's a designated pass rusher who's going to develop as 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.880 an edge guy who now is going to miss his 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.800 rookie year. So I think his range just went from 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:37.840 fifteen to twenty five to thirty five to sixty And 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.880 that's I think you're exactly right. And I hate it 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.760 for him because that was the thumbnail on him to 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.080 begin with, was raw guy, not ready, not a lot 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:51.200 of football. Yeah, and that explosiveness is the one way 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:55.800 that he consistently wins. And Achilles like an acl I 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:00.240 go and Achilles at least partially raise an eyebrow, like, 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.720 are you going to fully get that back? Because he 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.960 needs everything he had back. I just and I hope 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.320 not honestly, I hope he gets drafted in the first round. 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:14.040 That just sup. Everyone goes first overall, but everybody has fun. 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.280 I wonder if the slide could be kind of significant 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.359 because of that, because it's absolutely Jeffrey. Jeffrey Simmons is 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.800 a perfect example where it's like, when this guy's ready again, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.520 he's going to be a stud whereas they were already 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.120 have five picks, right, But I do think o Job 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.560 was going to slide twenty five. This is a chance 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.080 he even slides a little bit more than that, because 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.720 of the way, like you just outlined it, because of 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.920 the questions that we're already surrounding him in his player profile, 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.560 as he could fall into the third and I wouldn't 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.280 be ultimately surprised. I'd be a little disappointed. I hope 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.800 he didn't pick him at fifty six, that's true, which 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.120 I would like to do. So you, knowing, knowing how 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:56.040 we feel about how the Cowboys spend their free you're 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:57.920 drafting a guy at fifty six that's not going to 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.080 help you this year, all freaking that's the scout. If 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.800 you're all freaking day, what if you're wide receivers? There 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:12.040 your sky More? Yeah maybe mine sky Moore's back. No. No, 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.600 I'm saying though, because you're gonna be a sky More reference. 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.520 See that's what I'm saying, though, I mean to me, 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.240 to me, it's with the Bingo card. Somebody get bingo. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.719 We're playing that game. There's people on Twitter that were 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.320 like they were count no, but I was just I 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:27.520 was just curious because to me that you know, maybe 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.680 that's your situation where all of a sudden, you you know, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.440 you you draft a defensive player in the first you know, 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.639 when those linebackers or somebody like that defense whoever, and 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.439 then you turn on the second round you're thinking, man, 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.679 look at all these receivers here, and now you're you're comparing, like, Okay, 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.000 you know a kid that's not going to play at 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.600 all for you this year? Yeah, I don't. I don't. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.680 You know, if I'm Mike McCarthy and my job is 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:52.000 on the line quote air quotes, then I'm not interested 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.639 in having red shirt guys for somebody else. Six is 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.880 our George Picking spot. You know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.600 that's a valid criticism of the way the Cowboys do this. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.600 As again, Jason Garrett off ten years can do this. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.040 A guy who has some questions about you know, a 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.720 guy on staff, there's a guy sitting and broadcasting, and 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.120 there's a guy on staff that potentially could get the job, 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.960 and forget about I don't have time for red shirt 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.680 and people forgive Mike McCarthy's job security for a second. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:19.919 Like the way the Cowboys build this up some players 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.200 they're like, they're like, yeah, we're gonna do just enough 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.840 in free agency, and then when we just knocked the 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.080 draft out of the park, we'll get better. Well, if 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.119 you're drafting a red shirt guy, you're not getting better, Like, 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.320 you're not progressing the roster this year. It might be 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.639 great two years from now, but who's got time for that. 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.399 It makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense for them 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.880 to draft this kid because the general manager's not going anywhere. Yeah, 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.920 that is I mean, that's why the Cowboys have this reputation. Sure, 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.160 that's why they draft hurt players, because because the front 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.680 office is not going anywhere. God, the the symmetry of 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.480 drafting David Dajabo after an achilles tare at fifty six, 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:00.480 the year that Randy Gregory, former sixtieth over all pick, 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.680 finally is no longer under contract, that would be That 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.600 would be really fitting. They had to cut Smith's leg 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.240 off on the field literally about thirty four on a 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.320 non premium position. You are not run all right, I'm 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.120