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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Day four of the Best of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. Today, it was a really fun conversation with

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Speaker 1: pop superstars jessej very intimate, open conversation about sharing, about

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Speaker 1: playing too small crowds, about dealing on and off with fame,

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Speaker 1: dealing with greed, about new music.

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Speaker 2: So much more so. Hope you enjoyed this one as

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Speaker 2: much as I did. It was really good to talk

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Speaker 2: to Jesse Jay. I mean you said you were just

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Speaker 2: playing in the street. It's that it's where like no,

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Speaker 2: but I mean I know what you meant. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of like when you two were doing the

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Speaker 2: you know where the street's having a name video on

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Speaker 2: the rooftop here in La things and it's like, for you,

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Speaker 2: is there an excitement because it brings you just close

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Speaker 2: to the audience, to the fans.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I just love how relatable it feels, how

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Speaker 3: close everyone feels. You can like feel the atmosphere, feel

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Speaker 3: the energy, feel the joy.

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Speaker 4: Like I just love London.

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Speaker 3: So it was in the middle of King's Cross, right

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Speaker 3: next to the station, just on the street, and there's

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Speaker 3: babies and kids and moms and dads and older Pete

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Speaker 3: was just so nice I don't even.

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Speaker 2: Know what's going on, but they're like, wow, this is

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Speaker 3: Some people are walking past, going who's that singing? But

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Speaker 3: that just filming and having a good time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's funny. I mean, if you could

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Speaker 2: do a tour of then, like I thinking about I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you know the band popa Roach, but

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Speaker 2: they did a show at a pizza place here in

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Speaker 2: LA and it was so fun because round level, everybody

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Speaker 2: right in your face. Where would be your where would

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Speaker 2: be your dream tour? To deal my dream before? Like

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Speaker 2: that kind of venue where it's just like unconventional, you know,

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Speaker 2: but you get to play in like those places where

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Speaker 3: Probably like a bowling alley tour, because I always associate

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Speaker 3: bowling with like a sociable, like inclusive sport and game,

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Speaker 3: and I just love bowling and.

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Speaker 2: I can do.

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Speaker 4: You're a good bowler, No, how are you? Oh I'm okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm better now.

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Speaker 3: I've taken my long nails off, so it's definitely easier

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Speaker 3: to bowl. But I do like Nie slides down the

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Speaker 3: bowling alley, you know, I make.

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Speaker 2: The slide in the audience. I feel like sure, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know because it is. I mean, there's like I imagine,

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Speaker 2: you know, I talk about these people all the time,

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Speaker 2: and we'll come on to the new songs in the second.

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Speaker 2: But you know, there's something to be said for like

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Speaker 2: mixing things up to keep things fresh for you, you know,

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Speaker 2: and however you do that. You know, we know it's

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Speaker 2: been four years. So with four years, you know that

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Speaker 2: in the day and age, that time can almost feel

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Speaker 2: like a new beginning. Does it feel like a new beginning?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like a real celebration of my past

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Speaker 3: and a brand new beginning all at the same time.

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Speaker 3: So obviously, I bought out a song four years ago,

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Speaker 3: the last time before that was eight years. So it

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Speaker 3: feels like I'm a whole new person, like I've had

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Speaker 4: I just feel like I've got such a better perspective.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, I've had the highest of highs and I've had failure,

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Speaker 3: and it just feels so much easier, and.

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Speaker 2: I imagine also feels more.

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Speaker 4: Fun one hundred, Like, don't sweat the small stuff, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think when you get older, it's just easier to

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Speaker 3: Like we just want to feel good and like make

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Speaker 2: But it's funny because you say it's getting older. I

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Speaker 2: because it's like who cares what anybody else says, all

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Speaker 3: All that matters is me waking up tomorrow morning, hugging

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Speaker 4: Wow, he's so cute. He's such a good boy.

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Speaker 2: Does he have morning breath now? What's the morning.

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Speaker 4: Morning breath is like like hot and fishy. I love it.

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Speaker 2: All right, very cool. I mean it's funny. So it's

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Speaker 3: He is obsessed. But it's also because we make a

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Speaker 2: So it's funny though, because you say you're not trying

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Speaker 2: to like you know, you're making music. It's not that

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Speaker 2: deep as you put it. Yet I fucking love No

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Speaker 2: Secrets because for me, as someone who has interviewed everyone

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Speaker 2: drug in the world is fame, and I feel like

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Speaker 2: in No Secrets you do a very good job of

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Speaker 2: capturing the highs as you say, the highs and the lows.

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Speaker 2: It feels like a very authentic song. And I'm sure

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Speaker 2: there are some days where you love playing in the street,

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Speaker 2: and then there are other days where you're life when

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Speaker 2: everybody just leave me the fuck alone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some days you don't want to be touched or

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Speaker 3: spoken to. Yeah, that is literally I talk about it

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Speaker 3: like you connect with people, but then you open that door,

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Speaker 4: And so there's that.

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Speaker 3: I'm an overshaerer anyway, and I do love that about

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Speaker 3: I don't see myself as jesse j as a different

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Speaker 4: And I really don't feel like I've ever changed.

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Speaker 3: When I write the songs, it really is about what

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Speaker 3: that's what's made me the musician I am is actually

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Speaker 3: singing about real life. So yeah, and obviously with social

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Speaker 3: I always say fame is like it's I've never been

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Speaker 3: I feel like sharing things that I go through to

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Speaker 4: So I just don't want to stop doing that.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because, as you say, you know, now

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Speaker 2: with social media and everything being online, you're talking about fame,

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Speaker 2: but in the song No Secrets, it kind of relates

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Speaker 2: you know, where do you stop? Where do you start?

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Speaker 3: And everybody whatever you go through, Like just because obviously

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Speaker 3: opening line is I lost my baby, but the show

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Speaker 3: must go on, right, and you know, obviously, so it's

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Speaker 3: you know, And so one of my favorite things is

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Speaker 4: So one of it's my favorite thing about making music.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because I did a book a couple

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: the same subjects it's money, grief, it's love, it's heartbreak,

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Speaker 4: So it's just.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do feel like this album is just like

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Speaker 4: Thanks all so alive.

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Speaker 2: So how is the album done because I've only heard

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the album's done nearly, probably like eighty ninety

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Speaker 3: that was six years ago. So like the next song

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Speaker 4: Tedder in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: I love Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, He's my favorite. He literally texts me this morning.

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Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, we have to get back in

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Speaker 3: I can come back in with you. But he's one

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Speaker 3: of the funniest people. We had such a we just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he has one of the best stories I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: You know, he just has worked with everybody, so has

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the storyteller. He's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's interesting for you. I mean, I love

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Speaker 2: the way you put it a diary entry that you

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Speaker 3: There's so many on my goodness, like Make a Wish

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Speaker 3: Yeah, any any charity that gives back to the world

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Speaker 3: I give a lot to specific charities that are close

440
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 3: to me, but Make a Wish is definitely close to

441
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 3: my heart for sure.

442
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: And talk about for you too, how it diffuses your

443
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 2: music because having gone through so many personal issues, like

444
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: you say, you know you can understand it when people

445
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 2: didn't get that.

446
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 3: You know, I also do one undred percent. And I

447
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 3: think the biggest thing is perspective. I think that the

448
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 3: one thing that my life has helped me gain is

449
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 3: huge perspective on just like, don't sweat the small stuff,

450
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 3: and when you're going through something, there is always someone

451
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 3: going through something worse that doesn't dilute what you're going through,

452
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 3: but also can give you better perspective. And yeah, I

453
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 3: just I have I've just I have just a big EmPATH.

454
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 3: I just have a lot of love to give and

455
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 3: I try and give it through my music. As I said,

456
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 3: my next song is called Living My Best Life and

457
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 3: it literally is just I feel like a song the

458
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 3: world needs right now just to dance to and like

459
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 3: enjoy it and let go and you know, and.

460
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 4: Because it is a heavy, it's a heavy world.

461
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know is it as bad in Britain

462
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 2: right now, but I mean here it's like.

463
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's heartbreaking.

464
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: I mean I think everywhere obviously is it has it

465
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: has their own struggles and sometimes there's the countries at

466
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 3: the top of the mountain some that you know, But yeah, America, definitely,

467
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: it's definitely been. There's definitely a lot of poison right now,

468
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 3: you know. And it's sad to see. I mean, I

469
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 3: lived in LA for ten years. I only moved back

470
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 3: to London five months ago, so you know, I it's

471
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 3: so close to my heart. But yeah, as I say,

472
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 3: I will only ever talk about things that I believe in,

473
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 3: which is love, equality for all, you know, freedom, peace.

474
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, So sad.

475
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 2: It's funny though I'm a big believer in how environment

476
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: effects writing. So was most of this stuff written before

477
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 2: you got back to life in so yeah?

478
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: So I basically did an album in LA with various

479
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: people in twenty nineteen, and then in twenty twenty I

480
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: went in with Ryan during COVID, So we were in

481
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 3: the studio on and off because of COVID for about

482
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: a year, and so I wrote all of these songs

483
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 3: about kind of my experience of California and like and

484
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 3: just what I've been through there.

485
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 4: And then.

486
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 3: Me and my record label had some like A and

487
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: R switches and stuff, and then I ended up writing

488
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: another album that was R and B with Jesse Boykins,

489
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: Los Hendrix and various other producers. And that's where I

490
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 3: did like no Secrets, so like no Secrets to live

491
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: our best life for two completely different records from two

492
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 3: completely different times.

493
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 4: But again, as I say with Layered Humans.

494
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 3: We go through all these different things and I'm like,

495
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 3: share it all, you know, and no one wants to

496
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: listen to the same kind of song over and over

497
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 3: and over again. So yeah, I was in America for

498
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: basically all of it.

499
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's interesting do you find it like, you know,

500
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: because why didn't the Inlayer not as drastically different? But

501
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: I remember talking with like an Icelandic band, you know,

502
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 2: and where it's so gold and I was like, you know,

503
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: then you come to LA and I'm like, are you

504
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: now writing your Beach Boys songs?

505
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

506
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, the one thing that I love

507
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: about LA and I love about America, which is different

508
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 3: to the UK. They don't apologize for being good at

509
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 3: something like English people naturally go sorry, I'm good at this,

510
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 3: Like I'm kind like like I'm sorry that I'm talented,

511
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: and I feel like in America it's like, this is

512
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: what I'm good at and I'm going to own it.

513
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 3: And I love that and I love both of them,

514
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 3: but I feel like there's a happy medium and I've

515
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 3: still got that in my blood of just like, oh,

516
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: like i think I'm good at singing, like thanks for

517
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 3: liking my song. But then being in LA for ten years,

518
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: I think it gave me that confidence in my music

519
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: to like, I've got a song called California, you know,

520
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 3: and it's just like I said, I want to be

521
00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 3: somebody that's someone who says they know somebody like and

522
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 3: that's the kind of.

523
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 4: Energy that LA gave me.

524
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 3: And I'm so grateful for that because it's definitely helped

525
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 3: me blossom into the person I am.

526
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 2: Now that's funny because then when you go back and

527
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, I'm fucking good at this.

528
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then my friend it was quite self deprecating

529
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, girl, you could do it like

530
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 3: it's so funny.

531
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: It is funny. Also, I think does we talked about

532
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: it and I know we got to wrap up in

533
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: a minute. But when you get older, you know, you

534
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: get that confidence. So for you, you know, talk about

535
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 2: how that started to appear in you, that thing of like, yeah,

536
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: I'm good and again, why should you apologize for it?

537
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: If you're good at something. I mean, Robert Plant told

538
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: me I was good at interviewing. I'm not going to

539
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 2: fucking apologize for that.

540
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 4: No, it's true.

541
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 3: I always say when people go when people say, like,

542
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 3: like you don't want to like a heart surgeon to

543
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: come in and go. You know, I'm kind of okay,

544
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 3: You're like, you better own it. You better know that

545
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: you can fix my heart, you know. So I always

546
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: say that, like there's not many things up a main

547
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: but like I should be good at my job. I

548
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 3: should be able to write a good song, and I

549
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: should be better live than in the studio. And I

550
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: pride myself on that I work hard. I'm very disciplined,

551
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: and I love what I do. I love people coming

552
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: to watch my show knowing that I'm doing things that

553
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: they can't do. Like I don't want to go and

554
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: watch an ice skater and a thing. I could do that

555
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: at the local rink. You know, I want to be impressed.

556
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: I want to be wowed. So like I hold it

557
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: testimony to myself that I create songs that are like

558
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: sing it with me, but then also don't sing it.

559
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: Let me have my moment, let me entertain you, and

560
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 3: I think there's obviously a good balance with that, But

561
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: I just love to sing ever since I was a kid. Like, honestly,

562
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: I don't think it's come from anything within. When I

563
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: really think back to when I was younger, from like

564
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 3: super young, like eight or nine, when I started doing

565
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: like Western musicals, the thing that made me go, made

566
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 3: me have confidence, wasn't thinking about myself and if I

567
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 3: was good or not. It was watching people's reaction to me.

568
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: That gave me the joy to be like, I'm really

569
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: good at this because they're enjoying it. Like watching people

570
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: be happy when I sang was such a drug for me,

571
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: Like I was like, that's what I love. That was

572
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: the thing that made me want to do musicals, want

573
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: to do stuff when I was super young, and that

574
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: hasn't really gone away even now. Like it's so funny,

575
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 3: like the silliest things. There's like there's always that one

576
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: person in the audience that I can that I can

577
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: see is maybe like a plus one or that they're

578
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 3: maybe like looking at their phone a lot, and I'm

579
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 3: like you, I'm gonna win you over, And I like

580
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: it's just my own little challenge that I give myself

581
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: and a show and if they applaud at the end

582
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: and I just like, yeah, yeah, I can feel that

583
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: they've I'm like that makes me so happy.

584
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, So for you, I will wrap up on

585
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: this last question. Who's the best perform where you've ever seen?

586
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: That one that inspired you that much where you're like,

587
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: all right, this is you know what I want to

588
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: do for everybody? Best shait you've ever seen?

589
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: Prince. I saw Prince at the O two twice.

590
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: He did like some shows back to back and my

591
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: A and R Lucy Francis. I was signed to Gut

592
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 3: Records and Go Homes years ago with Crazy Frog, and

593
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: she got me tickets and I'll never forget it. Just

594
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: he what everyone left for the break and you could

595
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: see people like, you know, like the stairs are super high,

596
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: like almost like they're walking into like heaven.

597
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 4: And he just started to sit doing Purple Rain.

598
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: And it was like watching people hold trays of beers

599
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: trying to run back to their seats. I just love

600
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: the confidence of like this show I'm in control of

601
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: And I went to see it two nights in a row.

602
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 3: It was a completely different setlist, completely different order, and

603
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: I just loved like the confidence and like the unapologetic

604
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: energy of like, this is who I am, and this

605
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: is the show you're going to watch, and you're gonna

606
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: enjoy it, and I'm going to kill it. And he

607
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: did it, and he and his band all high five

608
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: of me on the way out, and I was just gassed.

609
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: I was like, eighteen.

610
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 2: Amazing, Yeah, cool. What do you want people to take

611
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: from the album and they hear it?

612
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: I want them to feel.

613
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: The freedom of feeling whatever there is is that you

614
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: want to feel in your life right now, whether that's grief, happiness, joy,

615
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: that all of them are there for your taking, and

616
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: that it's really up to you to control the relationship

617
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: that your heart has with your mind.

618
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: Well, I know we've got to wrap up anything you

619
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 2: want to add and ask you about. No, no, I

620
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: enjoyed this soul, which we had more time to talk

621
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: about writing. But you know, thirty minutes, Gods.

622
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: Quick, always it's always so quick. I actually don't believe

623
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: it's actually been half an hour.

624
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 2: Cool. Well, thank you so much for the time, and

625
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: I can't wait to you the rest of the record.

626
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, ye, thank you, thank you, seeing

627
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: you