1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth. Today, I'm joined by. 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 2: My friend, my good friend, Carol Markowitz. She's the host 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: of The Carol Markowitz Show. She's also a New York 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: Post columnist. She's going to unpack a chilling wave of 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: violence that we've seen in the country, chilling wave of 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: left wing violence, of anti Semitism, from the attack on 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion to the execution of Israeli embassy 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: staffers in Washington, DC, and then now over the weekend, 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: elderly Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado. What's happening, 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 2: Why is this happening, Where is this going. We're also 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: going to dig into the suspects expired visa and the 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: Biden administration's decision. 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: To give that suspect a work permit despite. 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: The fact that his visa had expired, despite the fact 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: that he was denied a visa in two thousand and 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: five but somehow got one under the Biden administration. Also, 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: is free Palestine just the new rallying cry for terror. 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: We'll explore all that. 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: And more in the wake of the October seventh massacre. 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 2: Stay tuned for my friend Carol Mark Woitz. 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: Carol, it is so great. 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: To have you on the show. I just love you 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: so much. You're one of my best friends, and you're 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: an amazing person. But I just wanted to say that 25 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: before we get into some heavy stocks way. 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: Well, you are one of my absolute faves. 27 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 4: I love knowing you, and I am so happy to 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: be on with you. 29 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm too, well, I'm happy that you're on with You're 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: picking up what I'm putting down. 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: You know, Carol, We've talked a lot since October seventh, 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: just about everything we've seen in the world. I've mentioned 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: to you before that, you know, I feel kind of 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: ignorant to not realizing how much anti Semitism is so rampant, 35 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: both here in the United States and abroad as well. 36 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: I mean, even just in a few weeks, we have 37 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: seen an attack on the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania. It 38 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: was torched because Er Joshapiro is Jewish to Israeli embassy 39 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: staffers executed to Washington, DC. And I always saw elderly 40 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado over the weekend. 41 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: What the hell is going on? 42 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 4: Well, one thing to notice about all of these attacks 43 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 4: is that they're happening primarily in blue areas. This is 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 4: not a coincidence. In blue areas. First of all, people 45 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 4: can't fight back, right. There are a lot of gun 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 4: laws that prohibit people from carrying, and it's much more 47 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: difficult for people to do something when attacked. The attackers 48 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 4: know this, and that is why it's happening the way 49 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 4: it's happening, you know. I've spoken to other Floridians and 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: just watching the Boulder attack unfold, and how long he 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 4: was on his feet and hurting people and yelling. He'd 52 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 4: be dead before the police car ever arrived in Flow. 53 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: And that's the way it should be. People should be afraid. 54 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 4: To launch attacks like this, and the fact. 55 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: That they're not in blue areas is a real tell. 56 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 4: Having said all that, obviously antisemitism is a problem everywhere. 57 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 3: I'm not naive. 58 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: I don't think, oh, it only happens in blue parts 59 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 4: of the country. Obviously could happen anywhere. But what I've 60 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 4: been saying for decades, literally decades, writing about this topic 61 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 4: is it's not that antisemitism will stop existing, and it's 62 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 4: not that I think anti semits will just die out 63 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 4: and there won't be anymore into Semitism. It's an age 64 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 4: old problem. But what we're looking for when we see 65 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 4: antisemitism rear its head is the reaction from the community, 66 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 4: the reaction from society. If society doesn't care the way 67 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 4: it seemed, for example, in France over the last decade plus, 68 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 4: that's a real problem for me. But in America, I've 69 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 4: seen people are outraged, you know, who don't have to 70 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 4: be are outraged, and the government is taking such action. 71 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 4: Dan Bongino of the FBI calling it a terrorist attack 72 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 4: right away, Donald Trump truth thing about it and saying 73 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 4: that this kind of thing will not stand. The Justice 74 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 4: Department immediately filing federal charges. This is the reaction I 75 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 4: want to see from my society, and I'm really happy 76 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 4: to see it in America. 77 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: You know, I guess you mentioned, you know, the blue areas. 78 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: And then also, I mean it seems like, you know, 79 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: obviously there's anti semitism on both sides, but it does 80 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: seem to be more predominant on. 81 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: The left for sure. 82 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 2: And then also just like a lot of cowardice on 83 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: the left and not calling this out. I mean, you 84 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: just mentioned sort of the initial very strong response from 85 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: President Trump and Dan Bongino, So I guess why did 86 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: Jewish people keep voting for Democrats? Then, you know, it 87 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: seems like it would be voting against your survival, to 88 00:04:58,800 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: be perfectly honest. 89 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: Well, as a lifelong conservative, this has been something that 90 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 4: I've cared about for a long time and something that 91 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 4: I've really hated about my community for a long time. 92 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: I will say that I think there's been a tea 93 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: change in the last few years. And these kinds of 94 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 4: things do take time. But according to my calculations, and 95 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 4: I've looked into local numbers in a lot of places, 96 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 4: I've looked into state exit polls, I've really done kind 97 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 4: of a numbers breakdown of this. 98 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 3: I have it on a sub stack from a few 99 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: months ago. 100 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: I think Donald Trump got in the forties percent of 101 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 4: the Jewish vote. I think he's in the forty five, 102 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: maybe even as high as forty seven percent of the 103 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: Jewish vote. And that's giant leap from his thirty percent 104 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. But even thirty percent was already on 105 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 4: the upward trajectory. Jews were always Democrats, and it was 106 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 4: something that was intrinsic in the American Jewish experience. 107 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: You were a Democrat. Now I'm an immigrant. I came 108 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 3: from the Soviet Union. 109 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 4: Other immigrant groups were always Republican because we came from 110 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: crazy leftist places and we were like, yeah, no more 111 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 4: of that. My Soviet Jewish community in Brooklyn was always 112 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 4: very Republican, and I always felt safe and comfortable being 113 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: a conservative growing up in Brooklyn because my community was 114 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: conservative and I didn't care what other people thought. But 115 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 4: the American Jews who have been here for generations and generations, 116 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 4: and they missed World War Two, they missed the Pilgrims 117 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 4: in Eastern Europe, they didn't live with strife. They've been 118 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 4: so safe in America for so long that they became 119 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 4: liberals and they didn't have to worry about anything. I 120 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 4: think now things are coming around and their understanding. 121 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: That they can't do that anymore. And I love to 122 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: see it. Personally. 123 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: I hear from Jews all the time who voted Republican 124 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 4: for the very first time in this last election. I 125 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: have lots of Jewish friends who voted for Trump and 126 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: it was their first Republican vote, and I don't see 127 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: them going back. I think once you've made the leap, 128 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to vote Democrat. Ever again, you've. 129 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: Got to take a quick commercial break more with Carrol 130 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: on the other side. You look at these suspects shouting 131 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: free Palestine. Is that any different than the albar chance 132 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: that we've heard from ISIS terrorists or are they the 133 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: same people? 134 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: Is it the same? 135 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: It's the same. 136 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 4: It's the same radical isam on our streets. It's the 137 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: same thing. And you know, the people call it the 138 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: leftist omni cause. But it could be anything, right, people 139 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 4: are destroying property for climate change, or it all could just. 140 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: Head toward a violent direction. 141 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 4: Look what you had Luigi Mangioni shooting a healthcare executive 142 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 4: on the streets of New York City. He just felt 143 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: justified to kill whoever he didn't like. And that's the 144 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: leftist goal, and the leftist message is if you don't 145 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 4: like something, you can use violence to stop it. And 146 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 4: you see this even in the reactions of these last 147 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 4: few violent events. It's like, well, this is what standing 148 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: up to Zionism looks like. Zionism is just believing that 149 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: Israel should exist, that it exists, and it should exist. 150 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 4: So most Americans are Zionists. The idea that you can 151 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: just kill Zionists at will. That's going to reach far 152 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: more people than just the Jewish community. 153 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: We look at the fact that this suspect in the 154 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: Boulder case, I'm not going to say his name because 155 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: he's not worth it's not worth saying. But he's denied 156 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: a visa in two thousand and five. He's Egyptian, and 157 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: then he arrived in twenty twenty two on a non 158 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: immigrant visa. It expired, and then even after it expired, 159 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,119 Speaker 2: the Biden administration created. 160 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: Him a work permit. 161 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: We see that Trump adminstration has taken a lot of 162 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: heat for revoking visas and trying to get tougher on 163 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: legal immigration and who we're giving visas to. 164 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: But doesn't this just make their case. 165 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so much. I think that it's crazy that 166 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: this went on for so long. I mean, just in 167 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 4: the last few years watching the border problem. I don't know, 168 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 4: he didn't come across the border, but it's irrelevant. 169 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: It's the fact that people. 170 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 4: Knew that America was wide open and anybody could come in. 171 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 4: It's so worrisome that we don't know who's here, and 172 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 4: obviously this could be, you know, a problem for us 173 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 4: going forward. I think that we get to a place 174 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: where we feel safe and then we trust our government 175 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 4: to do what's best for us. And the Biden administration 176 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 4: simply did not do that. And it's crazy to me 177 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 4: that the left took so long. And I don't know 178 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 4: that they're necessarily even still there yet, but the idea 179 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: that they permitted this to go on in the name 180 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 4: of opposing Republicans, like they couldn't have felt good about 181 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 4: illegal immigrants in their communities. You saw this on Martha's vineyard, 182 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 4: you know, when they had illegal immigrants shipped to them, 183 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 4: they immediately got them off the eyeland because nobody wants 184 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 4: that in their communities. So the fact that Americans were 185 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 4: so quiet about it, and leftist liberal Americans were so 186 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 4: quiet about it for so long, I think that that's 187 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 4: really crazy to me. You know, our friend Kurt Schlichter 188 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 4: had this book called The Attack, and it was about 189 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 4: an October seventh style attack happening in America. It's a 190 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 4: fictional book, but it's so likely when you don't know 191 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: who's coming into your country. There's so many people that 192 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 4: want to hurt America and Americans around the world. We 193 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 4: allowed our borders to be wide open for so long 194 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 4: where millions of people came in and we don't know 195 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 4: who they are. We're in danger. It is a dangerous 196 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: time in America. 197 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: I really do worry that we have just let in 198 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: so many people who you know, who have Daori's sympathies, right, 199 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: and we haven't even we don't even know. 200 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we're going to be dealing with this for 201 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: a very long time. Unfortunately. I'm going to add as people. 202 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 4: You know, again, I'm an immigrant, I'm not against immigration, 203 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: but we've gone like just in such a bananas place. 204 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 4: Like when I immigrated to this country, we had to 205 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 4: prove so many things about ourselves. We had to prove 206 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 4: that we were not going to be a danger to 207 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 4: this country. 208 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: We had to prove that somebody would be taking care 209 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: of us. 210 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 4: We didn't arrive and say where's my free hotel room 211 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: and where's my free everything. That just did not happen. 212 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 4: And so the idea that we've tossed out this process 213 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: that we used to have. I understand why support for 214 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 4: all immigration is down because you can't even trust that 215 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 4: the process is going to work in the future. If 216 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: Donald Trump implements an immigration process, you know, in his 217 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 4: four years in office, we don't know what Democrats are 218 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 4: going to do down the line. So the illegal immigration 219 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 4: insanity of the last few years has hurt the idea 220 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 4: of legal. 221 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: Immigration to this country. And it makes sense to me. 222 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm not against people coming here legally. 223 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: I just think that it's a privilege, not a right. 224 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: And I don't think we need people to come here 225 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: legally or illegally. And so if we do grant someone 226 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: that privilege, they have to be extremely vetted. They have 227 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: to want to be a part of America. They have 228 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: to want to be a contributing factor, you know, Like 229 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: it's it's like, should be the most exclusive club to 230 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: ever get. 231 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Into, exactly, and instead they had. Instead we're taking like 232 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: fake id's you know. 233 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, it's nuts. 234 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: You know, I've been thinking about this for a while. 235 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: You know. 236 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: You look at October seventh, twenty twenty three, it's equivalent 237 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: to what. 238 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: We saw in nine to eleven. 239 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: Of course, Israel has a much smaller population, so if 240 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: you were to compare that to the United States with 241 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: our population size, it'd be over thirty six thousand people 242 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: who died. And so I just for the people criticizing 243 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: Israel's response and look like no country is perfect. But 244 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: for those criticizing Israel's response, it's like, what is your 245 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: response to a nine to eleven terror attack? Because you 246 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: could make the argument that we, you know, obviously stayed 247 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: in Afghanistan way too long, but between two thousand and 248 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: one and twenty twenty one, we dropped over eighty thousand 249 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: bombs and munitions and response to nine to eleven, So 250 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: it's like, what is the appropriate response to a nine 251 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: to eleven terror attack? 252 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: Right? 253 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: And I think that what people don't get about Israel 254 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 4: is also Afghanistan's far away from US. Afghanistan's not going 255 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 4: to invade US. It's they live with this spear all 256 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 4: the time. The Gaza is right there, Lebanon is very close. 257 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: All of this is super close to Israel, and they're 258 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 4: constantly under attack. Every night they're under attack. Our friend 259 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: Dave Rubin performed in Tel Aviv a few days ago. 260 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 4: The sirens went off while his show was going on, 261 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 4: and his show happens to be in a bunker, so 262 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 4: they didn't need to do anything. They could just keep 263 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 4: continue the show. But that's how they live. And you know, 264 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 4: there's been this conversation over the last few months in 265 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: America whether or not you need to visit a place 266 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: like Israel to understand it. 267 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 3: I think you do. 268 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: And it's not about seeing the checkpoints or anything like that. 269 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: It's not about seeing how the military operates or anything 270 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 4: like that. 271 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: It's about seeing the culture. 272 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 4: Israeli culture is a culture that loves to live. It 273 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 4: is a very alive place. It is a very normal place. 274 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 4: It will feel familiar to when you visit. It's a 275 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 4: culture very similar to ours. They just want to live freely, 276 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 4: they want to raise their children, they want to have 277 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 4: a healthy society. And they've tried to make peace with 278 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 4: the Palestinians on so many different occasions. They've tried the 279 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 4: land for peace, They've tried a million different times to 280 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 4: make different peace deals. 281 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: It just never. 282 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 4: Works because the goal of Palestinian leadership is not peace, 283 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: and it's not to have land for their people and 284 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 4: it's not any of that. It's just to destroy Israel, 285 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 4: and Israel can have that. So the idea that but 286 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: you know, some kind of something that Israel could give 287 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 4: the Palestinians to make them stop attacking, there really isn't anything. 288 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 4: So they have to destroy Hamas. They have to destroy Hasbolah, 289 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 4: and they have to kind of live in a way 290 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 4: that prevents future attacks. They have to constantly be on 291 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: the defense, and it's a really tough way to live. 292 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: And Israel, believe me, is such a peacenick society. So 293 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 4: many people that died on October seventh were peace knicks 294 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 4: who wanted to live with the Palestinians side by side. 295 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 4: The people who were marching in Colorado the other day peacenicks. 296 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 4: They all they want is the hostages back, and they 297 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 4: want an end to the war, and they want peace 298 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 4: with the Palestinians. And these are the people that keep 299 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: being murdered by Hamas. 300 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it will be challenging to figure out next steps, 301 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: you know, because you do have a lot of people 302 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: that have been displaced already that will probably continue to 303 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: be displaced. So it's like, I don't really like, I 304 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: totally understand the fact that a two state solution doesn't 305 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: make sense at this point, because how do you live 306 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: alongside people who kill you? 307 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: But then I'll see what do you do with all 308 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: those people as well? 309 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: So I don't I mean, it is challenging, and I 310 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: truly don't know what the right answer is. 311 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no great answer. Two state solution, in my opinion, 312 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 4: is fully dead. I can't you know, you can't reward 313 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 4: October seventh with a state. You can't say, oh, you 314 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 4: killed all these people and you did all these horrible things. 315 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: Here's a state for you to celebrate. And I think 316 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 4: that Israelis understand that. And again, Israelis have longed for 317 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 4: a two state solution. They the right wing in Israel 318 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 4: wanted a two state solution. It was something that was 319 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: extremely common in their thinking. And I think that it 320 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 4: no longer is because they get that it's not a 321 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 4: state that the Palestinians want. They want a one state 322 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: solution that does not include Israel. And again they can't 323 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 4: have that happen. So I don't know, I don't know 324 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 4: what comes next. I you know, when Donald Trump took 325 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 4: office and he was talking about we would you know, 326 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 4: maybe half jokingly, but not really a Trump Gaza resort. 327 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: It's sort of where the future is. 328 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 4: Headed, where they are not going to get to control 329 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 4: their own land because they've done so many horrible things 330 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 4: and they have been shown to be incapable of governing themselves. 331 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 4: So I don't know where this goes. I know Israelis 332 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 4: don't want to be in Gaza. They didn't they left 333 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 4: Gaza and I think it's two thousand and three and 334 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 4: they didn't want to be there, so they don't want 335 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 4: to be there now. But I don't know what the 336 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 4: future will hold for them because I can't see them 337 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 4: just returning Gaza to the hamas leadership. 338 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: Well do you think you know? 339 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: It's like you talked about the the Trump uh Gaza Hotel, 340 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 2: and I mean it's interesting because President Trump does this 341 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: philosophy and he's been able to do things that previous 342 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: presidents haven't with like the Abraham Accords, and you know, 343 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: conversations that previous presidents couldn't have and respect that he's 344 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: getting that other presidents didn't have in the Middle East 345 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: and from some of these golf states. 346 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: And I thought his lying when he was in. 347 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia that the future of the Middle East is commerce, 348 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: not chaos. 349 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: Right. I really like that speech me too. 350 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 2: He gets it in a way that other people don't 351 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 2: that like, when you have these mutual economic ties, you 352 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 2: have a shared desire for stability. 353 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: But sorry, continue no, Yeah, I was going to. 354 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 4: Say, I agree, And the only thing I would say 355 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 4: is that religious fundamentalism in these Islamic states is the problem. 356 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 3: It is the thing that to get over. 357 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: And Iran, for example, they had a flourishing society for 358 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 4: so long and then these fundamentalists came into power in 359 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 4: the late seventies and now they don't. 360 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 3: And so the. 361 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 4: Mulas don't want commerce, they don't want McDonald, they don't 362 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 4: want to do business with other countries. They just want 363 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 4: to subjugate their population and to keep them under control. 364 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 4: And so it's a real tough situation, but it will 365 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: involve a change of leadership in some places. I think 366 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia is in a really good place right now, 367 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 4: and I think what Trump said there resonates with countries 368 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 4: that are in that better place where they do want 369 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 4: a better life life for their people. I don't think 370 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 4: that some of these countries care about whether their people 371 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 4: are leading better lives. 372 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: I don't think that's the point for them at all. 373 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: Although there are Arab states that you know, that want 374 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: to be more modernized and hopefully they can help stabilize, 375 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: you know, hopefully they can be shut Yeah. 376 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 4: Exactly, those countries help stabilize the rest. 377 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: You know, that's that's the goal, right Carol. I love you, 378 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: my friend. Is there anything else you'd. 379 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: Like to leave us with before we go? 380 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 4: I just want to say that, Lisa Bouth, this is 381 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 4: the absolute and I love you and we are going 382 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 4: to be hanging out very soon and I'm very excited 383 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 4: for that right now. 384 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: I can't wait. I've missed you a. 385 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 3: Lot of hugging selfies. 386 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 2: Yes we're like two ships in the night, but not 387 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: not this week. 388 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: So great. 389 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Carol, thanks so much. I appreciate your time. 390 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: Thank you, Lisa, it was Carol Markwoodz. 391 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: Appreciate her for making the time to come on the show. 392 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 393 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 2: but you can listen throughout the week until next time.