1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Histories, a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to the show, 2 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much for tuning in. 3 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: The boys are back in town. We're here in Atlanta, 4 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: hanging with our super producer, mister Max Williams, and we 5 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: are pursuing a couple of things today. A funny thing 6 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: happened when two thirds of us were in New York. 7 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: We got a chance to hang out with someone who 8 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: may show up on the show in the future, our 9 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: good friends Slash Mentor the founder of Mental Floss, mister 10 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Mangesh had a cature and we had a awesome time 11 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: hanging out at a Russian mob restaurant. 12 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: One of those like old New York places in the 13 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: Theater district that you'll pass by a million times and 14 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: pay it no mind. With the Big Red Awning established 15 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six, Mango hiped us to the fact that 16 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: it was owned at one point, maybe even still by 17 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: the famous Russian ballet dancer Barishnikov. 18 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and have those vibes. And I guess we've 19 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: introduced two people before we got to ourselves. You're Noel Brown. 20 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: I am Ben Boland. That's what they called me in 21 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: the States, and speaking of states, when we were hanging 22 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: out with Mangesh, going somewhere with this guy, so I 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: was thinking the same thing, dude. Yeah, Mangesh is one 24 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: of the few people we know who is actually from Delaware, 25 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: and I think most of us just think of Delaware 26 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: with the waynes World joke. Oh I'm in Delaware, right. 27 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: We've talked about it a lot on stuff they don't 28 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: want you to know, because it is sort of like 29 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: a weird tax haven loophole for corp operations. A lot 30 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: of corporations are incorporated there because of I forget the 31 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: deeds exactly, but it's something to do with banking laws 32 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: there that allow a little more leeway with certain aspects 33 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: of being incorporated. Yeah, there are We have talked about this. 34 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 2: You're right, I forgot on stuff they don't want you 35 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: to know. In Delaware. 36 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: You'll notice that a lot of the financial and banking 37 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: laws are really favorable. And so it's home right now. 38 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: It's home to more than sixty percent of our fortune 39 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: five hundred companies like Google or Alphabet excuse me, Amazon, 40 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: CBS Health, et cetera. And just actually this year there 41 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: were another two hundred and fifty thousand businesses that registered 42 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: in this pretty small state. One thing Mangesh told us 43 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: that was surprising is that there is a somewhat somewhat 44 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: of a divide geographically and the southern part of it. 45 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: When he was growing up there was still pretty agricultural. 46 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: It was like the South, And I think that's baffling 47 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: to a lot of us who are from different states. 48 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: But it turns out, just like Garth and Wayne, there 49 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: are a lot of things we don't know about Delaware, like, no, 50 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: it's it's called the first state. I did not know that. 51 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: It's also like the chemical capital of the United States, 52 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: the chemical which doesn't seem like the best of accolades. 53 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: I would argue, you know, maybe calls into question the 54 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: quality of the water or something. 55 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. 56 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure they do their best, but also what would 57 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: have I guest to say, he said, you know, what's 58 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: there to do in Delaware? Go to New York or 59 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: Philly or Philly said yeah, he did say that, and 60 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: I believe yeah, he had a a is Alma Mater 61 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: was home to such a Hollywood luminaries as Judge Reinhold. 62 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: You may remember from the Beverly Hills Cop movies. He's 63 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: the straight guy. There was one other name, and there 64 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: are a couple there were a couple like notable celebrities 65 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: from his high school, and it's it's a very special 66 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: place in the US. It's also weird to hear Mangesh 67 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: talk that way Elizabeth from leaving Las Vegas. Yeah, and 68 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: and then of course our pal Mango, only only one 69 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: that matters dust right exactly. It also turns out what 70 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: we were talking about, Judge Riinhold is not in fact 71 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: a judge. When I was when I was a kid, 72 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: I swear to God, I thought it was his actual 73 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: title and that he was a judge who also did movies. 74 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: And I thought, how does he find the time? No, 75 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: that's just his first name. It's a reasonable thing to think. Yeah, 76 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: I forgot, Yeah he was. 77 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: He always kind of played the the two square guy. 78 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: Even in like fast times at Ridgemont High he was 79 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: like the slowest of the fast timers. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 80 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: And with a big shout out to our research associate 81 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: for this episode, mister Max Williams, we are going to 82 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: explore Delaware because a lot of fellow Americans in the 83 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: crowd don't know much about Delaware. So I have, in 84 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: the spirit of education and learning together, I have changed 85 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: my title in our little recording platform to well Aware 86 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: of Delaware. It's aspirational. 87 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: I believe this also counts as are trying to get 88 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: one over on Old Sufian Stevens doing every state episode 89 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: for Delaware. 90 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because clearly recording one episode about each state 91 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: is the exact same amount of work as doing an 92 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: entire album state. 93 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you got You gotta appreciate the flex though 94 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: with Old Sufian, because he made a big to do 95 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: about it. I think it was a pretty good publicity stunt. 96 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: He ultimately ended up making two. 97 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 1: It has been so fuch not on a decade. 98 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: I believe Illinois is probably about ten years old at 99 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: this point in Michigan even older. 100 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: And those are both great albums. Yeah, I believe Illinois 101 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: has been made into a Broadway musical. Takes a minute 102 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: for that to happen. I mean, it's basically already a classic. 103 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: You got your back to the future of the musical 104 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: and you're Illinois music. 105 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: So what you're saying is our episode about how Indiana 106 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: try to change Pie is set to be a motional 107 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: length picture. 108 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's turnarounds. It's in talks. It's in talks. 109 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: There we go and we believe in you. Swoof John 110 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: can't wait for the Delaware album as well as the 111 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: Georgia album. Please put us in one of the songs. 112 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Delaware is very small in comparison 113 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: to other US states. It's ninety six miles long, thirty 114 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: nine miles wide. It has three counties. That's right. 115 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: We've got your Newcastle, your Kent, and your Sussex, which 116 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: all sound suspiciously British. 117 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: Oh I like that you say British. You know, it 118 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: reminds me of the sick Tom Martins. So this place has, 119 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: according to US News, a GDP of eighty eight billion 120 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: dollars year billion billion with a B like then yeah, okay, 121 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: and I guess we tease it a little bit. But 122 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: that in large part is coming from the chemical industry, 123 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: chemical manufacturing. Delaware's economy relies largely on that chemical manufacturer. 124 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: We've got companies like DuPont, for example, that are headquartered there. 125 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: At the very least, they're manufacturing headquarters, basis of operations 126 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: are there, and it is in fact often referred to 127 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: as the chemical capital. 128 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I got it wrong earlier as said of 129 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: the country, it is of the world. Yeah. Yeah. One 130 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: of the world's top manufacturing companies plays a big role 131 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: in Delaware's history as well, and we have talked about 132 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: DuPont in very trans parent and honest terms on stuff 133 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Tune into those episodes 134 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: while they are still allowed to be out in the world. 135 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: This is a different conversation. We're not going to take 136 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of potshots at Delaware, but we are going 137 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: to do a couple of a golf jokes courtesy of Max. So, 138 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: what's that old state joke? What did Delaware? When? 139 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 4: Comes after that? 140 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: It's one of those things for remembering the states on 141 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: what did Is that like a humonic I remember what 142 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: did Delaware? Boys? What did Delaware? I ask you now, 143 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: as a personal friend, what did Delaware? She wore her 144 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: new jersey? Boys, she wore her new jersey? I tell 145 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: you as a personal friend, she wore her new jersey? 146 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: How is this okay? It's like a nursery rhyme. Yeah 147 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: did Delaware? So? Uh, here's here's the thing you may 148 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: have tuned in. Ridiculous historians and saw that the title 149 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: of this episode is the Delaware Wedge. And if you 150 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: are a fan of golfing, you might think, oh, Delaware wedge. 151 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: It's one of the cool clubs, right. A wedge is 152 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: one of the most prevalent clubs that golfers use, and 153 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: they'll carry different wedges, just like Hawkeye has different arrows. 154 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: That's right. You know he's got you got your bomb arrows, 155 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: you got your grappling hook arrows, you got your I 156 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: don't know one of the his or fancy do all 157 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: kinds of weird stuff. But yeah, no, a wedge. You know, 158 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: I'm not a golfer. 159 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: I've never actually played outside of a mini golf situation. 160 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. We love it. We've done 161 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: it together. I uh did grow up in Augusta. 162 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: Georgia, which is considered one of the golfing you know 163 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 2: mecha of the world because of the Master's Golf tournament. 164 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: I have set foot on the Augusta National a few times. 165 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: I just couldn't care less about watching golfing. Person do, however, 166 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: quite enjoy golf video games, especially if there's a silly 167 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: spin on it. 168 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: There's this game called like what is it called golf theft? Auto? 169 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: Is that thing? Is that real? No? I made that up. 170 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: There's a game that's sort of like a classic throwback 171 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: e looking game where you're a little dude who has 172 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: been sent to hell and in order to get out 173 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: of hell, you have to golf your way through all 174 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: of these weird obstacle courses and ultimately play golf against 175 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: the devil himself. 176 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 4: But it's really. 177 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: Cute and fun game. It's called Cursed to Golf, I 178 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: believe is the name of it. I like how realistic 179 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: and grounded it sounds. 180 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: I tell you it's a who and that is most 181 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 2: of the things I've learned about various golf clubs, and 182 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: you know, spin and whatnot comes from golf games. But 183 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: a wedge is something you might use to, say, get 184 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: out of a sand trap. It's typically for a short game. 185 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: So it's like, just before you get into the putting territory, 186 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: you're gonna rock a wedge because it gives you various 187 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: art kind of lengths that you can sort of predict 188 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: and control. So there's you know, various powers of wedges, right, 189 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: powers of wedges. 190 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like a math thing that it does. 191 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: Sound like a math rock album, you know, it's new 192 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: metal or something like that. However, record Scratch Max. We 193 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: are not talking about golf. We we just shyamalan ourselves 194 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: and everybody listening. We're not even talking about the economic development, 195 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: development and environment of Delaware. That's totally different story. We 196 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: should get to it in the future because it's fascinating. 197 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: But what we are talking about is this Delaware Wedge, 198 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: a strange little piece of land that for a long 199 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: time went back and forth. It was claimed as the 200 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: territory of one state, it was governed, administered, administrated by another. 201 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: It created it was created by a conflict that didn't 202 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: involve Delaware at all. It's just a very strange way 203 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: to do a Delaware episode. 204 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, to jump in here real quick. I was actually 205 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 4: talking to my aunt Jennifer. 206 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 3: She lived in Pennsylvania Philadelphia for a number of years, 207 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: and I was just like talking to her one day 208 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: via text and I was like, oh, yeah, I'm writing 209 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: a brief right now about Pennsylvania being just like super extra. 210 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out William Penn. So we also need to 211 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: since this is a geography episode, folks, picture picture our 212 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: exploration today like a map. And as we continue deeper 213 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: into the territory of this episode, there's a little sign 214 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: that says warning, here be math. We're going to get 215 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: into geometry, geometrical math, and it'll help illuminate how the 216 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: Delaware Wedge came to be. And it starts with a 217 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: disagreement between Maryland and Pennsylvania. 218 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: That is correct, The Delaware Wedge was, in fact a 219 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: land dispute between mary and Pennsylvania. According to Kat Eshner, 220 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: writing for Smithsonian, Colonial Maryland Pennsylvania had it harder than 221 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: most when it comes to being neighbors. They both had legitimate, 222 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: at least in their opinions, its claims to a large 223 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: area of land, and there was of course a serious 224 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: conflict of interest there a competing interest in that land 225 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: that led to something called the Cresaps War, the Cresaps War, 226 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: I believe Cresaps might be right, also known as the 227 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 2: Congjocular War, which is a great word. I love jocular, 228 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: just that it means kind of like good natured, right, 229 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: get and funny, yeah, and so conjocular. It must be 230 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: referring to a place which was an eight year conflict 231 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 2: over the city of Philadelphia and its surrounding lands. 232 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I said that. Like Matt Barry, it just 233 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: felt right. So one of the biggest causes of dispute 234 00:13:55,320 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: Ben was, as is often the case, poorly on borders. Oh, 235 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: badly rendered maps. Check out also not to constantly be 236 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: plugging the other show, but check out also the excellent 237 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: in my opinion episode we did for stuff they don't 238 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: want you to know on Tara Nullius, h and Y 239 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: and things like line of actual control. I couldn't agree more. 240 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: You couldn't agree more to stop promoing that show or 241 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: then it was an absolute banger of an episode. Oh, 242 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: you should get ye to that feed post haste, post 243 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: haste forthwith Yeah. The problem with these borders is that 244 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: to some degree they're aspirational, and people try to gaslight 245 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: each other, or governments try to gaslight each other on 246 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: who actually controls what. And Pennsylvania's charter is no different 247 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: because its boundaries are if you looked at them from 248 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: the modern perspective, you would say, this is real weird? 249 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: Is this actual geography? Or you trying to cast the spell? 250 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: Like they said, the southern border should be a circle, 251 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: drawing a twelve mile distance from Newcastle northward and westward 252 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: onto the beginning of the fortieth degree of northern latitude, 253 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: then by a straight line westward to the limit of 254 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: longitude above mention Like what, I'm sorry, excuse me a 255 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: bit here. 256 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 4: I so, I think you all both know about this project. 257 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: I've been but I've been recently getting Elder Scrolls to 258 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: Daggerfall running on my new computer. And you know, it's 259 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 3: a nineteen ninety six game. It's a very different, let's 260 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: to say, than what like Uld Troll's five scaum is. 261 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: But all the spells read exactly like that, and they 262 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: make no sense for Daggerfall, let alone for a map. 263 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this is a really weird thing going on here, right, 264 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: And I'm sure it is the result of negotiation by committee, right, 265 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: which we see in Hollywood blockbusters and stuff. But with 266 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: these instructions, which were probably well intentioned, the surveyor of 267 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: the colony made a big whoopsie. The fortieth parallel that 268 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: they're talking about there is north of Philadelphia, and if 269 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: they've followed that, this would have put the famous city 270 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: of Philadelphia into Maryland instead of in Pennsylvania. Can you 271 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: imagine how angry the roots would be about this? 272 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: I don't think they would have taken two particularly kindly. 273 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: So the two colonies start bickering about where the border 274 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: actually is, and in seventeen twenty four, the Crown that's 275 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: why I'm saying these words like this, this is all 276 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: very British. The British Crown told the parties to you 277 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: know what, working out amongst yourself, y'all figure it out. 278 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: We got other stuff to do, We've got bigger fish 279 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: to fry. But of course they continued bickering and did 280 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: not find a solution. So despite the Crown's gentle suggestion 281 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: that Maryland and Delaware worked things out between themselves, this 282 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 2: did not transpire. Pennsylvania created Lancaster County, which is pronounced 283 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 2: Lancaster and not Lancashire. I believe despite the britishness of 284 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 2: the whole affair, and that clearly aggressively extended well beyond 285 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 2: the southern border as had been claimed by Maryland. We 286 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: get a lot of these details from Dan Lewis, who 287 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 2: is a trivia expert. How do you become a trivia 288 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 2: are we were kind of trivia experts, aren't we? 289 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: Yeah? We're trivial trivia EXPERTI aren't We're not like you know, 290 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: we're not seriously trivial, we're not credentialed. We have not 291 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: gone to the University of trivia program right or at 292 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: the University of Pennsylvania's trivia program. Great program they have there. 293 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: It's a great school. And so our friends in Maryland 294 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: are not going to take this. They're not going to 295 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: take this as anything other than an active aggression, and 296 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: they've got to fire some shots back. So they put 297 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: down their crab long enough to get a guy named 298 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: Thomas put down their crab. Maryland loves crab. I love 299 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: that as an expression. 300 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know, there's been my partner, 301 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: my girlfriend I call the crab. Yes I thought, I 302 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: thought you did. Yeah, day of the Crab. It's in 303 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 2: my phone that way. But so I love this idea of. 304 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: Butt lay down your crab, put down your crabs. So yes, 305 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: So I'm just throwing out a huge stereotype of Maryland. 306 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: But honestly, if you get a chance to travel to Maryland, 307 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: especially by the coast, you gotta try the crab. It 308 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: is amazing. They've got their own kind of style of though. 309 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: They have like a like a soft shell crab situation 310 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: that's almost got like some stuffing kind of in it 311 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: where they inside the crab. Yeah, yeah, And so they 312 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: put down their crab long enough long enough to contact 313 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: a guy named Thomas Cresap. Now he's like a real 314 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: estate version of a special agent. He is a land 315 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: agent for one of the big blue blood families of Maryland, 316 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: the Calvert family. And they say, hey, Tom, we need 317 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: you to build a settlement in a strategic location by 318 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: the Susquehanna River. And so he does build this settlement 319 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: and he starts doing business with the Pennsylvania Dutch community. 320 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: And then he says in he taxes they pay go 321 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: to the government of Maryland. So he built a trading post. 322 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: And what they were trying to do is say, is 323 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: like establish a precedent for the fact that the money 324 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: moves to Maryland and the local cation of this trading 325 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: post will create our borders through practice. Matt Maxidman, do 326 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: you have any sense of what it would have felt 327 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: like to do business at a trading post? To me? 328 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: In my mind, I picture it as like like one 329 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: of a vendor in a role playing game where you're 330 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: going to like trade all your goods and the crap 331 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 2: that you've picked up in your travels and exchange it 332 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 2: for coin or other stuff. 333 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: It kind of is because you're you're going to have 334 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: the fur trade at this point in time, there's a 335 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: lot of bartering for goods and Max I'll throw to 336 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: you on this too. Like the advantage of a trading post, 337 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: both in the awesome game Civilization, which everyone should play, 338 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: and in real life is that it helps It helps 339 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: extend your borders, but it also helps supply rural communities 340 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: with manufacture goods that would otherwise be unavailable. So you 341 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: trade in furs and you get things like machine tools, 342 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: machine exactly. 343 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 4: Yep, right, yeah, I mean, in like modern comparison. 344 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 3: I was talking to my friend Nicole Garcia, she's she's Navajo, 345 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: and she talks about how the trading posts are still 346 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: very common on Native reservations. 347 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 348 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, she talked about that, and like you know, it's 349 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 3: often where a lot of Native artists tell their stuff. 350 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 4: It's very complex. 351 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: I would not pretend like She's told me a lot 352 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 3: of positives and negatives about it, especially in this modern 353 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: day and times. 354 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 4: I'm not going to pretend like I fully understand it 355 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 4: at all. 356 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, I think especially in these early 357 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: points of time, it's like, oh no, our plow broke 358 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: and the one piece we can get we have to 359 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 3: go to this trading post. And it's not like there's 360 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 3: like I mean, I guess there was British currency at 361 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 3: this point in time, but we're talking, you know, the colonies. 362 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly like the modern trading post is descended 363 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: from these trading posts of old, but they're different endeavors, 364 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: make no mistake. And the trading posts that we're talking 365 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: about are these they're kind of like planting a flag. 366 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, this is for the vecologists 367 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: in the crowd, and they play this crucial economic role. 368 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: So if we go to the National Park Service, we 369 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: learned that in seventeen thirty six, our buddy Tom gets 370 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: in trouble. Pennsylvanian authorities accuse him of murder and his 371 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: house is set on fire. He gets arrested, and the 372 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: government of Maryland runs and tells the king and they say, 373 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: King George, things are getting nasty. We need you to 374 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: intervene as the monarch, as the ruler of the colonies 375 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: in name at least, and you need to settle this 376 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: boundary dispute. The colonies didn't officially declare war on each other, 377 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: but they kept beefing. They were still beefed up around 378 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: the border. 379 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 4: Also, I'm pretty sure this is the King George who 380 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: died on the toilet. 381 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, ty hey, teaser for an upcoming episode. 382 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 4: We've done that one already. 383 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: No, I just mean for an upcoming extension of bizarre 384 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: and ridiculous royal deaths. 385 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: We hear in that line next couple of weeks. 386 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: So, on May twenty fifth of seventeen thirty eight, the 387 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: two colonies did get together in peace and love and 388 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 2: harmony and sign a treaty agreeing to a permanent border. Also, 389 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: a condition of that treaty was to not quote, permit 390 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 2: or suffer any tumults, riots. I love a good tumult, riots, 391 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: or other outrageous disorders to be committed on the borders 392 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: of their respective provinces. Guys, can we unpack this real quick? 393 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: I think tumbult is also maybe a pronunciation. What is 394 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 2: an outrageous dis Is that like a disturbance in the kitchen? 395 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: Like, what are we talking about here? Yeah? So a 396 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: tumult is like a fracas, a brujaha, perhaps a skirmish, 397 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: even like a microbattle kind of. This idea was basically 398 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: like when the kids fight downstairs and the dad goes 399 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: to the top of the stairs and just yells, hey, 400 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: calm down down there. Don't make me come down there. 401 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: Don't make me come down there. So they settle on 402 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: this border that's about fifteen miles south of Philadelphia. And 403 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: we're getting this from David Anderson writing for the Baltimore Sun. 404 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: And the court made this agreement binding in seventeen fifty 405 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: and said, look, the border is going to be positioned 406 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: at thirty nine degrees and forty minutes south, so just 407 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: a hair under forty the forty degrees that they had 408 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: talked about earlier. So seventeen years later, a couple of 409 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: other surveyors, Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon, they've been hired 410 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: by the Pens, like William Penn's family and the Colverts, 411 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: and they made what we call the Mason Dixon line. 412 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. 413 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 2: When I was reading this research brief and doing a 414 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: little extra reading on the side as well, I guess 415 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 2: I didn't realize how something we always hear about as 416 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: like being this you know, very specific thing has actually 417 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 2: got a lot of weird kind of history in and 418 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: of itself, Like there were multiple versions of the Mason 419 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: Dixon line and it means different things different people. 420 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: Kind of. Yeah, yeah, it started to become pretty crazy. 421 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: Let's spend some time on the Mason Dixon line. That's 422 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: the best crab cakes north of the Mason Dixon Line. 423 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: Let's start comparing stuff to Mason Dixon. We are the 424 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: best ridiculous history show south of the Mason Dixon. That's right. 425 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: I like the implication that's somewhere in Maine there's another 426 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: ridiculous history show right right, which absolutely waxes us. So 427 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: these were these were the Mason and Dixon's of of 428 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: the Mason Dixon line. 429 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: This is these are these are these new characters have 430 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 2: entered the chat. I've never really thought about who these 431 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: individuals were. 432 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: And we we think this is an interesting aside. You 433 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: may be asking yourself ridiculous historians. Uh, guys, cool story. Sorry, 434 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: why are you not talking about Delaware? Isn't this a 435 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: two part episode on Delaware? We're getting to that. This 436 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: is set up. Hold the phone, hold the wedge. There's 437 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: something else on the horn which will make sense later. 438 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: I'll go on my wedge. We give We gave ourselves 439 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: a weggie with this one, didn't we really did? We 440 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: wedged ourselves into a corner. There we go. That is 441 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: our way of saying, folks. This is part one of 442 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: a two part episode. Going into this, we were all 443 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: thinking how interesting could this be? It turns out it's 444 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: very interesting. So this is going to be our week. 445 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much to our super producer mister Max Williams. 446 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: Thanks to Alex Williams who composed this slap and bop. 447 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: Indeed, thanks Chris Frasciotis here in spirit Eves Jeff Goats 448 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: roaming the wide world of podcasts and dumb. 449 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: Also shout out to A. J. 450 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: Bahamas Jacobs, who recently described Saint Louis as the Bahamas 451 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 2: of the Midwest, which he was hanging out. We were 452 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: trying to catch up with him in New York, but 453 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: a last he was vacationing, sunning him self under the arc. 454 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: Yes, as ever, a great barbecue there in that part 455 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: of the for sure, you check it out. Surprisingly good 456 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: jazz if I'm being honest. Thanks of course to Gabeluesya, 457 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland aka the Quizzer, and Noel didn't think I'd 458 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: say this, but you know, thanks to the state of Maryland, 459 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: because this whole conversation has got me. You know, I 460 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: got a craving for crabs. 461 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 2: Now, oh yeah yeah, and I think I said a 462 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: thing about like, don't they have like some kind of 463 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: special crabs. 464 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: It's a crab cake. It's a crab care. 465 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 2: They basically invented the crab cake as well, the Maryland 466 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: Maryland crab cake. And we'll see you next time, folks. 467 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 468 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.