1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, when you're a 2 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: child is on a playground or a ball filled or 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: a park, you can watch them. If some perv comes 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: up to them, you can totally tackle them at the 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: knees and take them down right. But the new playground, 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: the new ball filled, the new park is on line 7 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: and it's not so easy. Don't be a victim fighting 8 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: back against America's crime wave. It took me over two 9 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: years to research and write this book for you, for 10 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: you and your children. My proceeds are going to the 11 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. And that's not 12 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: what this book is about. This book is to help 13 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: you to arm you with knowledge to save your life 14 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: or your children's lives. I go straight into cyber threats 15 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: to protect your children. First of all, take a listen 16 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: to this well. On New Year's Day two thousand and two, 17 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: between dinner and dessert, I walked outside to meet this 18 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: person who I thought was my friend. Just than giving 19 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: me him for a couple of minutes, I really think 20 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say him, Will he show up? 21 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: Say hi? Driving through tone, what she does remember is 22 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: slipping out her front door into the bitter coal of 23 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: January night my intuition and said, Alicia, you need to 24 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: go home. This is really dangerous. What are you doing? 25 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: And I went to turn around and I heard my 26 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: name being called. The next thing I knew was in 27 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: a car and this man was squeezing my hand so tightly, 28 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: and he was barking commands at me, be good, be quiet. 29 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: The trunks cleaned out for you. He drove me about 30 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: five hours from my Pittsburgh home to his house in Virginia, 31 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: where I was held captive in his basement dungeon. He 32 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: kept me chained to the floor by a locking dog 33 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: collar and I was reaped and beaten and tortured. I 34 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: wasn't fed, and he also broke my nose. At the time, 35 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: Alicia was just a little girl, but she survived and 36 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: she's joining us today. She was targeted by a cyber 37 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: child predator. With me an all star panel to break 38 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: it down and put it back together again. How can 39 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: you keep your children safe from a threat you can't 40 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: even see? With me, Alicia kozy Kevitz, you can find 41 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: her at Alicia kozat with kay dot com to Tanya Jordan. 42 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: She is the CMO Chief Marketing officer of Bark, which 43 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: we use in our home. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, 44 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: juvenile expert, anchor Court TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com. 45 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: Detective Rich with Stocky his new website, cyber Apparenting Dash 46 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: one O one dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, 47 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on 48 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: Amazon and star of a brand new series Poisonous Liaisons 49 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: on the True Crime Network, and with Me Crime Online 50 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: dot com. Investigative reporter Sierra Gillespie. But first to Alicia 51 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: Kesey Kevitz. Alicia, I can't thank you enough for joining 52 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: us because I know how painful. Actually I don't know, 53 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: and I don't want to know, but I can imagine 54 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: how painful it is for you to talk about Scott 55 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: Tyree and what happened to you. And I know the 56 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: only reason you do it is to save other children's lives. 57 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: How did Tyree worm into your world as a little girl? Well, 58 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: this was back in two thousand and one, two thousand 59 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: and two, and the Internet was really quite new in 60 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: people's homes, and because of that, my parents didn't know 61 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: the dangers They talk to me about stranger danger, but 62 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 1: that didn't work in the online world, because that's where 63 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: I was talking to all of my friends from school, 64 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: who would introduce me to their friends and then their friends, 65 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: and we spent an amount of time in chat rooms, 66 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: and soon I was talking to people I didn't really 67 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: know all that well, but it could all be traced back, 68 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: so it felt connected and I felt safe. I was 69 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: in my home and nothing and no one had ever 70 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: hurt me there before. And in this chat room, somebody 71 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: messaged to me who I thought was a boy around 72 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: my own age, and I had believed, because I was 73 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: who I said I was, that this person would be 74 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: who they said they were. And that is naive, yes, 75 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: but kids are naive. Kids believe. And I grew up 76 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: in a bubble. A lot of people have this idea 77 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: that things only bad things only happened to kids from 78 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: broken families or troubled families or troubled children, and I 79 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: grew up in this fantasy bubble. We had our issues 80 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: as a family, but a really typical average family in 81 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: most people's minds, and what a predator is looking for 82 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: is a vulnerability, and it may seem what vulnerability would 83 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: I have. I had a happy childhood. Well, all children 84 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: are vulnerable. Kids can be one day on top of 85 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: the world and so excited, and then the next day 86 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: they get a bad grade, or their crush has no 87 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: interest in them, or they get in a fight with 88 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: their friends, and now they feel awful. And what a 89 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: predator does is they wash over those insecurities and make 90 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: a child feel beautiful and important and special and unique. 91 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: And that's what this person did to me. They groomed me. 92 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: Well you know what it's called grooming. As Alicia Kasey 93 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: Kevin's is just pointing out, she survived being kidnapped and tortured. 94 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: Listen to this. When she was only three, she was groomed, 95 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: lurd and abducted by an internet predator, Scott Tyree, who 96 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: kidnapped me and held me captive in his basement dungeon, 97 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: and he was going to kill me, her disappearance setting 98 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: off a massive four day nationwide search. While Tyree kept 99 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: Alicia chained to the floor at his home in Virginia, 100 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: he had been live streaming what he was doing to 101 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: me online and they turned on the computer and there 102 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: I was on the screen with my hands bound above 103 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: my head. Crying, bleeding, begging, bruised. In between the beatings 104 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: and the raping, he will hang you by your arms. 105 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, she testified in Congress in 106 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: support of legislation intended to prevent cyber crimes against children 107 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: and the increasing amount of photos and videos of child abuse. 108 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Support The children saved us from pedophiles, the pornographers, the monsters. 109 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: The bill passed in the House and the Senate. Guys, 110 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: you were hearing John Crisos at kgmy thirteen. Alicia lived 111 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: to tell her story. And you know it's gotta be 112 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: bad when the kidnapper sends her photo to another pedophile 113 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: and he feels so bad about it he calls the FBI. 114 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: But listen to Alicia with Sarah Dan at KIMT three, 115 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: there's no words subscribe the terror and the pain and 116 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: the loss of self and hopelessness that you can feel 117 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: on that situation. On the fourth day, Tyree told her 118 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: they would be taking a ride later and left for work. 119 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: Little did Alicia know the FBI was at work looking 120 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: for her. Later that day, agents finally found her chained 121 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: up in her abductor's bedroom. All these agents rushed in 122 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: and they cut that collar from around my neck and 123 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: they set me free. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 124 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: we were talking about how you can keep your children safe. 125 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: Don't be a victim, fighting back against America's crime wave. 126 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: To Alicia cosey Kevitz, who is with us now, Alicia, 127 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: you were lulled into a seeming friendship with a guy 128 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: who purported to be your age and be your friend, 129 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: and when you stepped out, as you have said so poignantly, 130 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: between dinner and dessert, he kidnapped you. You thought you 131 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: were meeting a little boy your age. It was a 132 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: grown man. And not only that, isn't it true, Alicia, 133 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: that he had been released from prison on parole without 134 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: his other victim? No? Yes, I was not made aware 135 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: until I received a message from a reporter in Pittsburgh 136 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: who had basically said, are you aware that so and so? 137 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't never say his name, it's too painful, but 138 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: was released from prison. Is now living in Pittsburgh in 139 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: a halfway house. Incredible from your parents house. Incredible that 140 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: what happened? Join me to Detective rich with Stocky at 141 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: cyber Parenting dash one O one dot com way in so, Nancy, 142 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: it's so incredible these days, especially with online learning, that 143 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: parents need to understand in the days of kids having 144 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: their own devices now not just a computer in the 145 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: family room, The biggest mistake parents make right now is 146 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: allowing their children to have their devices in their rooms 147 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: at night. When you allow your child to have their 148 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: device in rooms at night, they feel empowered, like much 149 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: like Alicia did. They feel that nothing could happen to them, 150 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: that your stuff happens somewhere else. The next premise that 151 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: parents have to understand is that there's no such thing 152 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: as privacy for children. That they buy their kid the device, 153 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: they are the ones that provide the service, and if 154 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: they're not monitoring remotely, like having things like bark on 155 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: the device. It's not that we have bad kids, but 156 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: it's these outside influences that can get to your child 157 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: late at night when their inhibitions are lowered and they 158 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: feel empowered, and that's how our kids get victimized. But 159 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: it starts with the parents and having great technology talks 160 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: with our children. A furnitor will hang out in chat 161 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: rooms where children of the age he is targeting also 162 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: hang out like just Talk, House, Party, Kick, any number 163 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: of chat apps. He will pretend to be a child 164 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: similar age to you're a child. He will take on 165 00:11:54,559 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: a believable child identity, complete with a name description, school, fool, family, 166 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: likes and dislikes. Create a rapport with your child. He 167 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: will like what she likes. He will be involved and 168 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: what she is involved. Maybe it's American Girl, Makeovers, Fortnite, 169 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: robe blots, Minecraft or soccer. He suddenly is interested in 170 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: what your child is interested in, and then they have 171 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: a commonality. I mean, you know, I'm gonna go to 172 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: our friend from Bark. But first, Ashley Wilcott not only 173 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: is she a judge, a trial lawyer, and anchor at 174 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: Court TV, she has a daughter. You know, Ashley does 175 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: your daughter? I'll stepping up when you look at her phone? 176 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, stiffen up you and I know there 177 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: was a recent incident with her phone that I can 178 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: share with all your listeners. And let me just say this, 179 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: stipping up. She hates it. And guess what, we don't care. 180 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: Duke and I both look at her phone, see what 181 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: she's doing, see who she's texting, And let me say this, 182 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: She's a pretty good kid. But she's twelve. She's already 183 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: made some fast she's great, She's made some bad decisions. 184 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: So Nancy, why because their brains and people out there 185 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: who will take advantage are you very bad combination and 186 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: can make them a potential target? Well, are you gonna 187 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: tell what happened? NaN's degree? Okay, now wait a minute, 188 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: let's just be real. You've got the Kardashian shooting birds 189 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: You've got? Wasn't that Bella Hadid the other day was 190 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: shooting a bird at the cops in her two thousand 191 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: dollars designer outfit. So problem a little unnamed girl maybe 192 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: took a shot of herself shooting a bird. And I 193 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: feel really bad because as I was snooping through my 194 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: daughter's phone and she gets tall, like, why are you 195 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: looking at my phone? Mom? And I'm like, because I 196 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: pay for to show on my phone. It just happens 197 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: to be in your hands most of the time. I 198 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: tell it, I actually saw the picture. But let me 199 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: say this, because my daughter is in the picture and 200 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: she's doing the double peace sign, and I saw B 201 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: I R D or is it B Y R D? Anyway, 202 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I'm sure Ashley has this 203 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: totally under control, so I'm not getting up in this 204 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: little did. I find out like a month later, Lucy's 205 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: all sulk and I'm like, what happens? She goes, well, 206 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: my friend got her phone taken away. I'm like, let 207 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: me guess it's Ashley, real, guys, a little girl. So 208 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: happily I did not inject myself into that. But Ashley, 209 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: that is such a minor little thing. I'm saving my 210 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: fights for tattoos, drugs and alcohol. All right, I'm saving 211 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: these fights. But you know what, Nancy, Okay, it's all parenting, right, 212 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: But let me just say this. The point is it 213 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: can get away from you so quickly. They can in 214 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: the flash of an eye meet somebody, start texting, somebody postings. 215 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: So you just have to be vigilant at it every 216 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: single day. With Alicia and the parents. Alicia, his parents, 217 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: didn't they tell you stay away from strangers, do this, 218 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: do that, do that, do this? They had no idea. 219 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: The little boy you were chatting with was a grown 220 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: man convicted of child porn. Absolutely, it happened right under 221 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: the noses, and they had no idea. And I hate 222 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: to come down to your parents because your parents love 223 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: you so much. And when you describe I think it 224 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: was a Christmas dinner or some kind of festive holiday 225 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: dinner that you guys were all at when you disappeared. 226 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:37,359 Speaker 1: I can just imagine their wild anxiety when you had disappeared. 227 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: Tutania Jordan Bark CMO. You know, Tutania, I got Bark 228 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,359 Speaker 1: before I knew you, and I love it because everything, 229 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: Like I told you this example, John David play soccer 230 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: and he dove through the net trying to save a 231 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: goal and he got a big bruise on his arm. 232 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: He took a picture of the bruise to show it 233 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: off to as friends. Long story short, Bark notified me 234 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: and it said self harm. I'm like, oh, dear Lord 235 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: in Heaven, John David's self harm, I'll looge up. And 236 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: it was showing off his bruise. It's highly sensitive. What 237 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: is the purpose of bark Bark Well, Nancy, thank you 238 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: for asking and for sharing your personal story there. Bark 239 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: is technology that keeps children safer online and because of that, 240 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: in real life, it's going to scan your children's text, messages, emails, 241 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: social media accounts, all kinds of things that you might 242 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: not even know you need to look for in your 243 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: children's devices and accounts and it will flag the most 244 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: concerning content like cyber bowling, online predators, that's a suicide, depression, 245 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: potential drug use, and yes, even the bird. You know, 246 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: here's a thing that I'm curious about because they will 247 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: go on sites like just Talk or house Party and 248 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't you. I cannot look at their texts and 249 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: see what they're saying. So how do you protect against 250 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: bad influences on those apps? To Tanya, Well, it first 251 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: starts with ongoing and engaged conversations with your children. You 252 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: have to have the tough conversations with them before you 253 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: think they're ready. Honestly, if your children are nine, ten, 254 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: eleven and you haven't had a conversation about pornography, chances 255 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: are they've probably already encountered it. They might not know 256 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: what it is or what it's called, but they've encountered it. 257 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 1: Same thing with mental health and even you know, with 258 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: online predators, you don't have to call them that. You 259 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: can just start with a concept of tricky people. How 260 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: there are some people online who might seem like your 261 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: best friend, but they do not have good intentions, and 262 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: you can never be afraid to surface it. To mommy, daddy, caregiver, 263 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: because we don't want, you know, a cybercrime to turn 264 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: into a real life crime. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys, 265 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: we were talking about don't be a victim, fighting back 266 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: against America's crime wave. Now you know that I have 267 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: Alicia cozy Kevit's with me now, her true life story 268 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: of meeting a pedophile online and being abducted, being saved 269 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: literally on the day Scott Tyree was set to kill 270 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: her to get rid of evidence by the Feds. Well, 271 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: let me tell you the story of Nicole Lovell, who 272 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: did not live to tell a story. Take a listen 273 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: to our friend Eva Pilgrim at ABC. The police say 274 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: she snuck away to meet this man, and why wouldn't 275 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: she have trusted him? David Eisenhower was a track star, 276 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: good looking, successful. I realize in the moment that I 277 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: am doing things that other people wish they could be doing. 278 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: He'd even been on television. And yet I still have 279 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: goals for myself because there are people who are better 280 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: than me, and I will personally not stop until I 281 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: reach my peak performance. But Nicole never came back. Soon, 282 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: almost a thousand volunteers were searching and authorities scoured for 283 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: leads until they were able to attrack the last messages 284 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: from Nicole's phone, leading them to Eisenhower. When the investigation 285 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: led us to eighteen year old David E. Eisenhower, a 286 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: Virginia Tech student. With Eisenhower in custody, authorities soon located 287 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: Nicole's body eighty miles away in North Carolina. It's about 288 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: two miles from a home owned by his extended family. 289 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure that these scepting that Nicole's family would like 290 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: to know is why does she have to end up here? 291 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: Left in this condition and discarded in the manner she 292 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: was little? Nicole's found completely naked, wiped down with the 293 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: bleach and wet wipe so there would be no evidence 294 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: on her body. She thought and had told her little friends, 295 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: who were at the mall that day looking for necklaces 296 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: and bracelets, that she had found a boyfriend and that 297 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: he wanted to get married and start a family. She's 298 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: barely passed twelve years old, get married, have a family, 299 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: translation have underage sex. How were they communicating? Take a 300 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at ABC. Nicole was using a 301 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: messaging app called Kick to communicate with Eisenhower, raising questions 302 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: about possibly dangerous encounters. Well, I'm willing to say Kick 303 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: is the devil for young children because it's like a 304 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: free ability to text anything you want and parents can't 305 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: see the phone numbers that are coming in and out. 306 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: Experts say many of these anonymous apps are popular with 307 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: teens and predators. You can sign up as anybody you 308 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: want to be. It really becomes a private hunting preserve 309 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: for some of these pedophiles. Here's how Kick works. Download 310 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: the app for free at any name and any photo. 311 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: Then you can send messages, photos and videos and you 312 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: don't even need texting service. Parents sometimes take away these 313 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: data plans thinking that well the child is abused it, 314 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: but they only need a Wi Fi single to be 315 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: able to communicate to Detective Rich. With Stocky joining us 316 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: his new website, cyber Parenting Dash one o one dot com, 317 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: I can look at the children's text messages, but how 318 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: does a parent guard against things like Kick and WhatsApp 319 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: House party where the texts are not readily visible. So 320 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: what I do is when I'm going through with schools 321 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: throughout the country, we have to train our children. There's 322 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: there's two points that I bring out in red flags 323 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: to the kids that I teach him to pen is 324 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: that if someone takes you off your gaming platform or 325 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: your social media to go to private chat, they are 326 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: not who they say they are. Because if you really 327 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: want to talk to me, why not just say it 328 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: on the app or on the game. Why do I 329 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: have to go over here? Well, that's because a lot 330 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: of these a lot of social media has programs that 331 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: monitor grooming and pictures and videos that are talked to 332 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: with juvenile accounts. So when the first red flag that 333 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: I teach kids is that if someone takes you off 334 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: your gaming platform or private chat, or your gaming or 335 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: your social media to go to private chat, they are 336 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: not who they say, Danni. Let's say they went there 337 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: and I have arrested over one hundred sextortionists in my career, Nancy. 338 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: And so when they go over to that private chat, 339 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: we've been friends for so long, playing roadblocks, probably just 340 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: two months, We've been friends for so long. Do you 341 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 1: want to see what I really look like? And if 342 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: we're not having these tech conversations with our children, your 343 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: kids says sure, and then they send them the predator 344 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: who they think it's their age, will send them an 345 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: inappropriate picture or video and then the common denominat in 346 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: every sextortion case is after I send this to you, 347 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: now you owe me one pick. When I go to 348 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: schools and I asked the kids six seven eighth grade, 349 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: how many of you guys have ever received the text 350 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: you owe me one pick? Half the room raises their hands. 351 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: So if we're not talking to our kids, our kids 352 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: think that, oh, there must be some Internet law that 353 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: I have to reciprocate the same type of picture. And 354 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: then they would take the same type of picture showing 355 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: their you know, their boobs or their bucks or whatever, 356 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: and then they send it to the person they thought 357 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: they've known for two months three days later, that persons 358 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: they've been gaming with for the last two months. So says, hey, 359 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: how do you like your new Instagram account with your 360 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: booty shot on it? I'm going to send this to 361 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: all your friends, your family, your church, your team. If 362 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: you don't make new videos every week, now the kid 363 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: is extoreded. So our parents and I want to open 364 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: your eyes to a new feature film, a documentary that 365 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: that we were involved in called Childhood two point zero. 366 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: It's on YouTube. Childhood two point zero will give you 367 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: the currents most realistic this position of our kids today 368 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: on technology, and it's very well done. That's Detective rich Stocky. 369 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: You can find him at cyber Parenting dash one o 370 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: one dot com. One thing I always do too, Justice 371 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan joining me professor forensics, and it's not just 372 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: blood and fingerprints, it's computer cyber forensics as well. When 373 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: I hear him, what he does is set up all 374 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: of his little friends from school or on a group 375 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: call as they're playing a game together. I always go 376 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: in the room and say, hey, who are you playing with? 377 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: As if I'm innocently interested, He tells me, and I 378 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: say hello to all the little friends. If I find 379 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: him playing quietly, I say who's that? And he goes, 380 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: it's just somebody that wants to play Fortnite. I'm like, 381 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: you didn't give him your name, did you? Or your 382 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: school or where you live or the city or anything 383 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: like that, or your phone number for Pete's sake. He goes, no, no, no, 384 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: Mama would never do that. Joe Scott Morgan, how can 385 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: you trace, for instance, these apps? I always say to 386 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: John David, you don't know who that is? He says, 387 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: his name is Derek and he's twelve. Years old. It 388 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 1: was probably a sixty five year old ball guy, you know, 389 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: hiding in his apartment where he lives alone with a 390 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: bunch of cats, acting like a little boy. He's probably 391 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: gonna try to get a picture of you in your underwear. 392 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: Hang get off. I think I scared him enough with that. 393 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: But how do you, I mean, the purvs get the 394 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: children into chat rooms, Joe Scott. You know, Nancy, this 395 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: is the interesting thing is that there's a principle in 396 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: forensic science that's called the cards exchange principle, and that 397 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: means that every contact leaves a trace. It's not just 398 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned fingerprints in blood, and you and 399 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: I talked about that a lot, and we have for 400 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: years now. But in this context, every individual that is 401 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: operating electronic device leaves behind a specific signature that can 402 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: tie them back, and that's what is done in order 403 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: to trace them back and connect them to these cases. 404 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: You're right. Here are more of the tips, and I've 405 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: got pages and pages of them for you to keep 406 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: your child safer cyber predators, for instance, signs of predators 407 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: targeting your child and Alisha Tarsiana to Tanya, excuse me, 408 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: Ashley Rich Joe Scott, Sierra jump in if you can 409 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: think of another. Your child spends more time online. They 410 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: start going online late at night. They get costs from 411 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: people you don't know. Your child gets a gift and 412 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: the mail from someone you don't know. When you walk 413 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: in the room, your child suddenly stops playing, or they 414 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: change a screen or hang up the phone. Your child 415 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: starts distancing themselves from family life and no longer seems 416 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: interested in things they used to love. They don't want 417 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: to talk about what they're doing online. It goes on 418 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: and on and on. Tips how to protect your child 419 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about 420 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: Don't be a Victim Fighting back against America's crime Wave, 421 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: which I wrote for you. It is based on literally 422 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: thousands of cases I fly investigated, prosecuted, and covered. Not 423 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: to just rehash the details, but to learn to call 424 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: something good to help other people. That means you to 425 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: Sierra Gillespie, does the name Michelle Carter ring a bell 426 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: to you? What happened to Michelle Carter's extremely young, a 427 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: very sensitive boyfriend, Conrad Roy. Yeah, nanc Michelle Carter is 428 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: almost an infamous name at this point. A lot of 429 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: us have heard of this case. Conrad Roy was only 430 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: eighteen years old, and he had actually met Michelle in 431 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: real life a few times. They met law on vacation 432 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: in Florida visiting family, but they both lived relatively close 433 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: in the Boston area, and so they just texted. I mean, 434 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: like any normal child would do. You're just texting your 435 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: boyfriend or your friend. They actually knew each other, so 436 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be, you know, a cyber bullying situation, 437 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: but it eventually came that way. Conrad confided in Michelle 438 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: about he had some suicidal ideations, he was struggling with depression, 439 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: and eventually she seemingly persuaded him to take his own life, 440 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: which is what he did. Take a listen now to 441 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: our longtime friend Aaron Moriarty. Right away we heard from 442 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: investigators that medical examiner found that it was a suicide. 443 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't until they started looking at his phone that 444 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: they realized that there was something else going on here, 445 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: because on that phone or hundreds and hundreds of texts 446 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: from Michelle car to Conrad Roy urging him to end 447 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: his life. You can't think about it. You just have 448 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: to do it, you said, you were gonna do it, like, 449 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: I don't get why you aren't, And Michelle Carter admittedly 450 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: said do it. She was kind of making fun of 451 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: him for not taking his own life. I thought you 452 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: really wanted to die, but apparently you don't. I feel 453 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: played and just stupid. You're going to have to prove 454 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: me wrong because I just don't think you really want this, 455 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: and she kept pressuring him to do it. You're ready 456 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: and prepared. All you have to do is turn the 457 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: generator on and you be free and happy. No more 458 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: pushing it off, no more waiting. There was one point 459 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: where he actually got out of the truck and changed 460 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: his mind. Yeah, he was scared, and she told him 461 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: to go back in the truck. Yes, you know. To you, 462 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: Alicia kozy Kevitz, teens, especially sensitive teens is his first girlfriend, 463 00:30:53,600 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: are very susceptible and very malleable. This boy committed suicide 464 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: after literally thousands, literally thousands of communications from his so 465 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: called girlfriend such as, do you have a generator? Not yet? Well? 466 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: When are you going to get it? So? Are you 467 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: sure you don't want to kill yourself tonight? What do 468 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: you mean in my shirt? Like? Are you definitely not 469 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: doing it? Tonight, because I'll stay up with you if 470 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: you want to do it tonight. You can't keep pushing 471 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: it off. That's what you keep doing. I mean, it 472 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: goes on and on and on, with her pushing him, 473 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: egging him on, even telling him how to hook up 474 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: a generator to his car, to his truck so he 475 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: can breathe deeply and die. How malleable were you when 476 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: a child predator was grooming you online, Alicia? Extremely malleable. 477 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: You're looking for that connection. And when you're young, even 478 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: if you do have close friends, even if you do 479 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: have a loving family, you so often feel that you're 480 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: on the outside looking in and that nobody really can 481 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: understand you. And these two were only and I find 482 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: it so interesting that they only lived about an hour 483 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: or so away from each other, had only seen each 484 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,479 Speaker 1: other a few times, And if she really wanted to 485 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: help him, he wasn't far away for her to do. 486 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: So all she wanted to help him do clearly was 487 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 1: to harm himself. She's like a vulture over a body. 488 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Aaron Moriarty CBS. Carter was on 489 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: the phone with Roy as he was dying of carbon 490 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: monoxide poisoning. Inside his trunk in July twenty fourteen. She 491 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: never called for help when Roy apparently changed his mind 492 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: and got out of his vehicle. She even told him 493 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: to get back inside. Roy suffered from depression. The hardest 494 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: thing for me is to be comfortable in leon skin. 495 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: And before he killed himself, Carter sent the eighteen year 496 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: old dozens of texts pressuring him to commit suicide. One red, 497 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: hang yourself, jump off a building, stab yourself. I don't know. 498 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot of ways Michelle Carter exploited my son's 499 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: weaknesses and used him as a pawn. Where was her humanity? Carter, 500 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: who herself has struggled with anxiety and eating disorders, wept 501 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: at times during the hearing. This is a tragedy for 502 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: two families. Judge Lawrence Monaz sentenced Turned two and a 503 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: half years in jail, but he said Carter would only 504 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: have to spend half of that fifteen months behind bars. 505 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: She also received five years probation. Tips Watch your child closely. 506 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: Are they upset after being on their device? Do they 507 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: seem upset or nervous when their device pings or they 508 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: get an email text or I am instant message? Do 509 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: they sometimes avoid their device, avoid talk of their ice 510 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: or online games, tries to keep their online life a secret. 511 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: Their grades begin to drop, They withdraw from real life 512 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: and activities they love. They have unexplained anger, unusual outburst 513 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: changes in behavior. I mean, there's so many, literally hundreds 514 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: of tips to keep you and your children safe. To you, 515 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. What happens 516 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: when you die of carbon monoxide poisoning like Conrad Roy did? Oh? Yeah, 517 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: it's it's a miserable way to die, Nancy. And I've 518 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: worked many cases like this in my life over my 519 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: course of my career, and it's a replacement it actually 520 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: it's an exclusion of oxygen and it causes the person 521 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: to suffocate. But Nancy, on another note, if you don't mind, 522 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: I've worked actually a case that's very similar to this 523 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: in Atlanta where there was a group of people sitting 524 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: around a table and a young man had not gone 525 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: out to pick up his date for an evening out 526 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: with all of his friends, and she called him. She 527 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: was crying on the phone, and he opened the phone 528 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: up on the table, put her on speaker, and convinced 529 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: her to actually shoot herself while they were on the 530 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 1: phone together, and it was one of the most horrible, 531 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: heartbreaking cases that I ever came in contact with. And 532 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: this is what I would say about this is that 533 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: they are very fragile people out there and the internet electronics. 534 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: They are no respecter of persons because they are so 535 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: they're just a conduit for evil to creep into people's lives. 536 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: In the case of this poor boy who was just 537 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: screaming out for help and he happened to latch onto 538 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: the wrong person. The case in Atlanta, I was just 539 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: mentioning to you. You know, this girl was longing to 540 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: be accepted by that group of people, and you know, 541 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: the people were sitting there and they could actually hear 542 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: the gunshot go off. Nancy, these people are predators and 543 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: they will take advantage of anybody that's weak and to 544 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: U Sierra Gillespie Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Isn't 545 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: it true that Michelle Carter has already been released from prison? Yes, Nancy, 546 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: that's true. Again, we heard she was sent into two 547 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: and a half years in prison, but it was reduced, 548 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: so she has already been released. She's going about her 549 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 1: life and Conrad roy is dead. Alicia kozy keevit's your 550 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: life and your family's life has forever been changed. I 551 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: know you founded the Alicia Project dot org. I know 552 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: you're a chireless crusader. But what is your single most 553 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: important piece of advice to parents like me that want 554 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: to protect their children. Well, I've noticed that parents have 555 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: gone from clueless to complete. When I first started speaking 556 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: out when I was fourteen years old, all those years ago, 557 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: and nobody was quite talking about this. People didn't believe 558 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: me that it was happening. I was called a fearmonger, 559 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: and parents' downwright said things to me like, well, I 560 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: know my child is not on my Space, which is 561 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 1: popular at the time, because I have the email address 562 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: for the house. They really believed that they had one 563 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 1: email address and that was all you got. And now 564 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: it seems that parents are knowing that they're knowledgeable of 565 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: the dangers, but they still turn away and say, well, 566 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: not my child. That happens to other people and to 567 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: other families, And you have to look into your own 568 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: life and to protect your own child, and to be 569 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: a parent, and to have those uncomfortable conversations because kids 570 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: will have to make decisions it will happen. They will 571 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: be online and somebody will message them and they will 572 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: send me a picture or meet me, or they will 573 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: be cyber bullied. Something is likely to happen, and they 574 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: have to have the ability to make the right decisions 575 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: and that comes from those sometimes uncomfortable conversations. Please don't 576 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: be a victim, fight back and save a child. Nancy 577 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: Grace crime Story signing off, good bye, send