1 00:00:15,356 --> 00:00:21,396 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey, it's Jake. I got a quick favorite ask. 2 00:00:22,076 --> 00:00:25,636 Speaker 1: If you've been enjoying deep Cover The Nameless Man, please 3 00:00:25,676 --> 00:00:29,636 Speaker 1: consider leading a review in Apple Podcasts. It helps new 4 00:00:29,676 --> 00:00:33,476 Speaker 1: listeners find the show, and that in turn will help 5 00:00:33,596 --> 00:00:48,596 Speaker 1: us continue making future seasons. Thank you. Previously on deep Cover. 6 00:00:51,236 --> 00:00:54,356 Speaker 2: I think that when it comes to certain particular depths, 7 00:00:54,756 --> 00:00:57,796 Speaker 2: I think that sometimes we put on the front with 8 00:00:57,876 --> 00:00:59,916 Speaker 2: the world like we've gotten over it. 9 00:01:00,636 --> 00:01:05,916 Speaker 3: I used to watch the unsolved Myschivy shows and I 10 00:01:06,036 --> 00:01:10,556 Speaker 3: often thought about calling How can a person get killed 11 00:01:10,596 --> 00:01:14,596 Speaker 3: and no one knows anything. She said, you have to 12 00:01:15,196 --> 00:01:17,756 Speaker 3: forgive the person they killed your brother, And I don't 13 00:01:17,796 --> 00:01:18,916 Speaker 3: even know this person. 14 00:01:18,716 --> 00:01:22,556 Speaker 4: Is Terry, And I said, it may be that this 15 00:01:22,596 --> 00:01:26,316 Speaker 4: does not ever go to a court, even with Craig's cooperation, 16 00:01:26,916 --> 00:01:28,636 Speaker 4: that this is ever going to see the inside of 17 00:01:28,676 --> 00:01:35,916 Speaker 4: a court. This all may be just to give Aron 18 00:01:36,076 --> 00:01:43,476 Speaker 4: Wood's family some sense of understanding. 19 00:01:50,596 --> 00:01:53,436 Speaker 1: By the summer of two thousand and six, roughly two 20 00:01:53,476 --> 00:01:57,916 Speaker 1: years into their investigation, Scott and Terry had made real progress. 21 00:01:58,716 --> 00:02:01,836 Speaker 1: The two federal agents had obtained a confession from the 22 00:02:01,876 --> 00:02:05,716 Speaker 1: alleged accomplice, Craig Peterson, and with the help of the 23 00:02:05,756 --> 00:02:09,436 Speaker 1: Philly PD. The agents had identified the man they leave 24 00:02:09,516 --> 00:02:13,996 Speaker 1: to be the victim, Aron Wood. For years, the Wood 25 00:02:14,036 --> 00:02:17,916 Speaker 1: family had wanted answers about Iran's death. They yearned for 26 00:02:17,996 --> 00:02:22,556 Speaker 1: closure and for justice. Now finally there was some movement, 27 00:02:23,116 --> 00:02:27,036 Speaker 1: A case was mounting against the alleged shooter, Tom Geybison. 28 00:02:28,116 --> 00:02:31,436 Speaker 5: Was definitely a different type of case. I don't think 29 00:02:31,436 --> 00:02:35,676 Speaker 5: there's been really anything similar to it since that I've heard. 30 00:02:36,316 --> 00:02:39,996 Speaker 1: That's Carmen Weinberger. Back in two thousand and six, she 31 00:02:40,116 --> 00:02:43,556 Speaker 1: was an assistant district attorney in Philadelphia. She worked in 32 00:02:43,596 --> 00:02:46,716 Speaker 1: the homicide unit, and she was assigned to work on 33 00:02:46,756 --> 00:02:47,356 Speaker 1: this case. 34 00:02:47,916 --> 00:02:51,916 Speaker 5: You know, a skinhead coming to Philadelphia to kill somebody. 35 00:02:52,676 --> 00:02:56,836 Speaker 5: A cowardly act when it all boils down to it, 36 00:02:57,236 --> 00:02:58,756 Speaker 5: a cowardly act. 37 00:02:59,036 --> 00:03:01,396 Speaker 1: By this point in her career, Carmen had been a 38 00:03:01,396 --> 00:03:03,636 Speaker 1: prosecutor for well over a decade. 39 00:03:04,156 --> 00:03:06,676 Speaker 5: So when I graduated at high school, I knew I 40 00:03:06,676 --> 00:03:09,236 Speaker 5: wanted to be a prosecutor. When I went to to 41 00:03:09,436 --> 00:03:11,676 Speaker 5: the University of Pennsylvania, I knew I wanted to be 42 00:03:11,716 --> 00:03:14,836 Speaker 5: a prosecutor. When I went to Temple Law School, I 43 00:03:14,916 --> 00:03:16,476 Speaker 5: knew I wanted to be a prosecutor. 44 00:03:17,436 --> 00:03:19,476 Speaker 1: It sounds like you knew you wanted to be a prosecutor, 45 00:03:20,556 --> 00:03:26,196 Speaker 1: just ad bit. Carmen's father had also been an assistant 46 00:03:26,196 --> 00:03:30,076 Speaker 1: district attorney, and Carmen says her dad raised her to 47 00:03:30,116 --> 00:03:30,556 Speaker 1: be tough. 48 00:03:31,636 --> 00:03:35,036 Speaker 5: He said, always do the right thing, and don't take 49 00:03:35,116 --> 00:03:39,356 Speaker 5: any blank off of anybody. You can fill in the blank. 50 00:03:41,836 --> 00:03:44,756 Speaker 1: Carmen says she took this advice to heart, didn't take 51 00:03:44,836 --> 00:03:49,196 Speaker 1: blank from anybody. And this was important because she's a 52 00:03:49,196 --> 00:03:52,156 Speaker 1: woman of color, which at the time was a real 53 00:03:52,276 --> 00:03:55,676 Speaker 1: rarity in the homicide unit at the DA's office in Philly. 54 00:03:56,876 --> 00:04:00,476 Speaker 1: Carmen was helped out in part by her mentor. His 55 00:04:00,596 --> 00:04:04,396 Speaker 1: name was Roger King. He passed away in twenty and sixteen, 56 00:04:04,596 --> 00:04:08,076 Speaker 1: but at the time Roger was a legendary figure in 57 00:04:08,076 --> 00:04:12,476 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia DAE. It was Roger who first helped Carmen 58 00:04:12,556 --> 00:04:15,236 Speaker 1: land a spot in homicide unit back in the early 59 00:04:15,276 --> 00:04:19,756 Speaker 1: two thousands, and Roger was the lead prosecutor on this case. 60 00:04:20,596 --> 00:04:23,316 Speaker 1: After thirty five years in the courtroom. This was actually 61 00:04:23,356 --> 00:04:26,756 Speaker 1: going to be Roger's last case before he retired, and 62 00:04:26,836 --> 00:04:31,156 Speaker 1: he'd brought Carmen on board to help him win. Carmen 63 00:04:31,236 --> 00:04:35,916 Speaker 1: had seen many grisly murder cases, but there was something 64 00:04:35,956 --> 00:04:39,116 Speaker 1: about this one that seemed especially unsettling. 65 00:04:40,116 --> 00:04:44,996 Speaker 5: Not that any murder isn't disturbing, but this particular murder 66 00:04:45,036 --> 00:04:49,116 Speaker 5: and the reason for it, the hate. This was a 67 00:04:49,236 --> 00:04:57,676 Speaker 5: hate crime. It's hard to fathom the depraved nature of 68 00:04:57,996 --> 00:05:03,276 Speaker 5: someone that could just kill someone in cold blood based 69 00:05:03,356 --> 00:05:08,676 Speaker 5: on the color of their skin. It was bad luck 70 00:05:09,876 --> 00:05:14,036 Speaker 5: for that man to be found in North Philadelphia that 71 00:05:14,276 --> 00:05:19,276 Speaker 5: night in April of nineteen eighty nine. 72 00:05:19,316 --> 00:05:23,796 Speaker 1: The authorities believed that man was Iron Wood, and now 73 00:05:23,956 --> 00:05:26,876 Speaker 1: it was up to Roger Carmen and the DA's office 74 00:05:26,916 --> 00:05:30,516 Speaker 1: in Philly to see this through to ensure that the 75 00:05:30,556 --> 00:05:34,316 Speaker 1: Wood family got the closure and the justice that they needed. 76 00:05:35,756 --> 00:05:38,836 Speaker 1: Carmen's task was to marshal all the evidence she could. 77 00:05:39,436 --> 00:05:41,716 Speaker 1: She would have the help of the Philly PD and 78 00:05:41,836 --> 00:05:45,876 Speaker 1: also of Scott and Terry, the two federal agents, and 79 00:05:45,956 --> 00:05:49,196 Speaker 1: she and Roger King had one more card to play, 80 00:05:49,956 --> 00:05:54,396 Speaker 1: arguably their best. They could convene a grand jury, which 81 00:05:54,436 --> 00:05:58,116 Speaker 1: is basically like a preliminary hearing, but it's held in secret. 82 00:05:58,676 --> 00:06:02,236 Speaker 1: The defendant doesn't even know it's happening. The prosecution can 83 00:06:02,236 --> 00:06:07,196 Speaker 1: subpoena witnesses require them to testify so it's like a 84 00:06:07,236 --> 00:06:10,556 Speaker 1: test run the prosecution and can see how strong the 85 00:06:10,596 --> 00:06:13,796 Speaker 1: case is before making a final decision on whether to 86 00:06:13,836 --> 00:06:18,956 Speaker 1: go forward and seek an indictment. If there was an indictment, 87 00:06:19,276 --> 00:06:22,876 Speaker 1: Tom Guybison would be arrested, there'd be a trial, likely 88 00:06:22,916 --> 00:06:27,916 Speaker 1: a very high profile trial, and Carmen's boss, the legendary prosecutor, 89 00:06:27,996 --> 00:06:31,356 Speaker 1: Roger King, would have his final day in court in 90 00:06:31,476 --> 00:06:37,236 Speaker 1: rather dramatic fashion. But Carmen knew it all came down 91 00:06:37,316 --> 00:06:41,236 Speaker 1: to evidence. It had been almost twenty years since iron 92 00:06:41,276 --> 00:06:45,036 Speaker 1: Wood was murdered, and that's the challenge with cold cases. 93 00:06:45,916 --> 00:06:52,036 Speaker 1: Evidence vanishes, memories fade, witnesses slip away, which is why 94 00:06:52,076 --> 00:06:55,956 Speaker 1: the grand jury was so important, so the prosecution could 95 00:06:55,996 --> 00:07:15,276 Speaker 1: figure out was this a case they could win. I'm 96 00:07:15,356 --> 00:07:19,676 Speaker 1: Jake Calpern and this is Deep Cover Season four, The 97 00:07:19,756 --> 00:07:47,476 Speaker 1: Nameless Man, Episode four, the grand Jury. Throughout the summer 98 00:07:47,516 --> 00:07:50,516 Speaker 1: of two thousand and six, the two federal agents on 99 00:07:50,556 --> 00:07:54,756 Speaker 1: the case, Scott and Terry, were still scrambling. They were 100 00:07:54,796 --> 00:07:58,316 Speaker 1: working together with the PHILLYPD to look under every stone 101 00:07:58,636 --> 00:08:01,636 Speaker 1: and gather as much evidence as they could in preparation 102 00:08:01,756 --> 00:08:05,236 Speaker 1: for the grand jury. So far, here's what they had 103 00:08:05,676 --> 00:08:08,676 Speaker 1: They had an ex girlfriend named Patricia Miller. You heard 104 00:08:08,716 --> 00:08:11,836 Speaker 1: about her episode one. She's the one who claimed that 105 00:08:11,916 --> 00:08:15,316 Speaker 1: Tom had bragged about killing a black man. She said 106 00:08:15,556 --> 00:08:19,316 Speaker 1: Tom had a newspaper article covering the man's death and 107 00:08:19,436 --> 00:08:24,916 Speaker 1: boasted that this was his doing. The FEDS also had 108 00:08:24,956 --> 00:08:28,636 Speaker 1: a confession from Craig, the man claiming to be the accomplice. 109 00:08:29,316 --> 00:08:32,276 Speaker 1: Craig said that he and Tom had driven into Philadelphia 110 00:08:32,436 --> 00:08:35,436 Speaker 1: in the spring of eighty nine and used a thirty 111 00:08:35,476 --> 00:08:41,916 Speaker 1: eight caliber revolver to murder a black man. But what 112 00:08:42,036 --> 00:08:45,436 Speaker 1: else could the FEDS find? Was there any physical evidence 113 00:08:45,556 --> 00:08:48,476 Speaker 1: or were there any other witnesses who could help corroborate 114 00:08:48,556 --> 00:08:52,636 Speaker 1: Craig's story, witnesses who Carmen and Roger could then bring 115 00:08:52,676 --> 00:08:57,196 Speaker 1: before the grand jury. So Scott and Terry, they weren't 116 00:08:57,236 --> 00:08:59,996 Speaker 1: done yet. There were a few leads they were still 117 00:09:00,036 --> 00:09:03,116 Speaker 1: chasing down. I'm going to tell you about three of them. 118 00:09:03,396 --> 00:09:06,156 Speaker 1: Three leads they hoped would tip the balance in the 119 00:09:06,196 --> 00:09:14,236 Speaker 1: case and provide Carmen and the prosecution just what they needed. Okay, 120 00:09:14,436 --> 00:09:17,396 Speaker 1: let's start with the smoking gun. And I mean that 121 00:09:17,476 --> 00:09:21,436 Speaker 1: quite literally, because if Scott and Terry could find the 122 00:09:21,596 --> 00:09:25,476 Speaker 1: actual murder weapon, the thirty eight that Tom Guybison supposedly 123 00:09:25,636 --> 00:09:30,276 Speaker 1: used back in eighty nine. Well, that'd be huge in theory. 124 00:09:30,436 --> 00:09:32,596 Speaker 1: They could then match the gun with the bullet that 125 00:09:32,716 --> 00:09:35,436 Speaker 1: killed the victim because they had the bullet it had 126 00:09:35,476 --> 00:09:40,316 Speaker 1: been recovered from Iran's body. Problem was, according to Craig, 127 00:09:41,076 --> 00:09:42,476 Speaker 1: Tom said he was going to get rid of the 128 00:09:42,556 --> 00:09:46,076 Speaker 1: murder weapon, so maybe it had been destroyed. No one 129 00:09:46,116 --> 00:09:49,756 Speaker 1: knew for sure. Then one day Terry was talking with 130 00:09:49,756 --> 00:09:52,596 Speaker 1: his boss over at the ATF and Terry mentioned this 131 00:09:52,676 --> 00:09:55,276 Speaker 1: problem they were having finding the murder weapon. 132 00:09:56,116 --> 00:09:57,556 Speaker 6: I said, I don't know how I'm gonna find this thing. 133 00:09:57,596 --> 00:09:57,876 Speaker 1: I said. 134 00:09:58,036 --> 00:10:00,236 Speaker 6: I said, he might even throw it in the river. 135 00:10:00,316 --> 00:10:04,076 Speaker 6: Who knows. And my boss says to me, you know 136 00:10:04,116 --> 00:10:05,636 Speaker 6: what he said? Actually he said, I was on an 137 00:10:05,676 --> 00:10:07,676 Speaker 6: audit a few months ago, and you know they have 138 00:10:07,836 --> 00:10:10,756 Speaker 6: guys evidence of out there on the first Guns case. 139 00:10:12,796 --> 00:10:15,676 Speaker 1: The first gun case, if you recall, back in the 140 00:10:15,756 --> 00:10:19,356 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, Tom Guybison had been arrested and imprisoned on 141 00:10:19,396 --> 00:10:22,756 Speaker 1: a gun's charge. He had since been released, but the 142 00:10:22,836 --> 00:10:26,276 Speaker 1: evidence from that case, the weapons that the FEDS had seized, 143 00:10:26,636 --> 00:10:30,956 Speaker 1: were still apparently in storage, and Terry's boss over at 144 00:10:30,956 --> 00:10:34,756 Speaker 1: the ATF knew this because, quite by chance, he'd been 145 00:10:34,796 --> 00:10:38,636 Speaker 1: involved in a routine audit of stockpiled evidence, kind of 146 00:10:38,716 --> 00:10:41,876 Speaker 1: like spring cleaning, like when you open that dusty room 147 00:10:41,876 --> 00:10:44,436 Speaker 1: in your basement and go through all the junk that 148 00:10:44,476 --> 00:10:47,796 Speaker 1: you haven't touched in years. The FEDS they do this too, 149 00:10:48,036 --> 00:10:52,996 Speaker 1: with all their old evidence. Anyway, Terry's boss remembered seeing 150 00:10:53,076 --> 00:10:56,756 Speaker 1: Tom's old guns. So Terry gets on the phone with 151 00:10:56,836 --> 00:10:58,636 Speaker 1: someone over at the ATF and. 152 00:10:58,596 --> 00:11:04,036 Speaker 6: Asks, Hey, do you have any thirty eight Calvary volrus 153 00:11:04,116 --> 00:11:09,116 Speaker 6: flowing to Tommy and your evidence? She goes yes. I'm like, oh, 154 00:11:09,116 --> 00:11:10,636 Speaker 6: oh my goodness. 155 00:11:10,996 --> 00:11:13,516 Speaker 1: So now all they have to do is run a 156 00:11:13,596 --> 00:11:16,956 Speaker 1: test at the ballistics lab to see if there's a match. 157 00:11:17,916 --> 00:11:21,276 Speaker 1: Terry asked for the test to be expedited then weighted 158 00:11:21,396 --> 00:11:25,796 Speaker 1: with baited breath, but when the examiner called back, he 159 00:11:25,836 --> 00:11:28,636 Speaker 1: told Terry that there was a problem with the bullet. 160 00:11:29,236 --> 00:11:32,236 Speaker 6: It's too deformed. I can't make a definitive match. I 161 00:11:32,276 --> 00:11:34,956 Speaker 6: can't match up the lands. And they're called lands and 162 00:11:34,996 --> 00:11:38,876 Speaker 6: grooves in a barrel of a firearm that make a 163 00:11:38,996 --> 00:11:43,156 Speaker 6: unique microscopic signature where you can say, hey, tick a fingerprint. 164 00:11:43,236 --> 00:11:45,396 Speaker 6: This was the same gun because I can't do it. 165 00:11:45,396 --> 00:11:46,116 Speaker 6: It's too deformed. 166 00:11:46,996 --> 00:11:50,876 Speaker 1: So Lead number one didn't pan out. Maybe this was 167 00:11:50,916 --> 00:11:54,076 Speaker 1: the weapon, maybe it wasn't. There was just no way 168 00:11:54,076 --> 00:11:57,476 Speaker 1: to know for sure, which meant it was of no 169 00:11:57,556 --> 00:12:07,676 Speaker 1: real use to Carmen Roger and the prosecution. Lead number 170 00:12:07,756 --> 00:12:12,276 Speaker 1: two involved, of all things, a high school prom. You 171 00:12:12,316 --> 00:12:15,716 Speaker 1: may remember that Craig, the alleged accomplist, said that the 172 00:12:15,796 --> 00:12:19,356 Speaker 1: murder occurred in the spring of eighty nine, the spring, 173 00:12:19,836 --> 00:12:22,996 Speaker 1: and Creig remembered this because he said it happened shortly 174 00:12:23,036 --> 00:12:27,356 Speaker 1: before prom that both he and Tom attended. Tom went 175 00:12:27,396 --> 00:12:30,356 Speaker 1: with his girlfriend at the time, another teenager named Jen. 176 00:12:31,516 --> 00:12:33,716 Speaker 1: We're just going to use her first name in order 177 00:12:33,756 --> 00:12:37,996 Speaker 1: to protect her identity. The agents Scott and Terry decided 178 00:12:38,276 --> 00:12:41,076 Speaker 1: they should really talk with Jen and see if she 179 00:12:41,156 --> 00:12:44,876 Speaker 1: remembered anything useful from the time. So they met Jen 180 00:12:44,996 --> 00:12:48,116 Speaker 1: briefly at a coffee shop. They explained, we want to 181 00:12:48,156 --> 00:12:51,796 Speaker 1: talk to you about Tom Guybison. Jen was visibly shaken, 182 00:12:52,316 --> 00:12:54,956 Speaker 1: but she agreed to have a sit down with them. 183 00:12:55,036 --> 00:12:57,716 Speaker 1: A short while later, they met up at her house, 184 00:12:58,756 --> 00:13:01,756 Speaker 1: and this is when Jen started talking about her prom 185 00:13:01,796 --> 00:13:04,476 Speaker 1: back in eighty nine. Her prom was held at the 186 00:13:04,516 --> 00:13:08,316 Speaker 1: DuPont Hotel in downtown Wilmington. This is a grand old 187 00:13:08,396 --> 00:13:13,916 Speaker 1: hotel to nineteen thirteen, with crystal chandeliers, parquet floors, gilded 188 00:13:13,956 --> 00:13:18,356 Speaker 1: trim the whole deal. Jen says. At some point during 189 00:13:18,356 --> 00:13:21,436 Speaker 1: the prom, Tom got in an argument with another prom goer. 190 00:13:21,956 --> 00:13:25,796 Speaker 1: Things apparently got heated. Tom readied for a fight, and 191 00:13:25,836 --> 00:13:29,196 Speaker 1: he rolled up his shirt sleeves, revealing an elaborate spider 192 00:13:29,236 --> 00:13:34,476 Speaker 1: web tattoo that he'd recently gotten. In the end, tempers cooled. 193 00:13:36,236 --> 00:13:39,516 Speaker 1: At some point in the night, Tom apparently boasted about 194 00:13:39,516 --> 00:13:49,876 Speaker 1: his tattoo, saying, quote, do you know what this means? 195 00:13:51,076 --> 00:13:54,476 Speaker 1: Scott and Terry, they vetted this whole prom night story. 196 00:13:55,076 --> 00:13:57,916 Speaker 1: They actually tracked down other people who had attended the 197 00:13:57,956 --> 00:14:00,356 Speaker 1: same prom back in nineteen eighty nine. 198 00:14:01,036 --> 00:14:05,716 Speaker 6: We actually got in contact with more people than I 199 00:14:05,716 --> 00:14:09,436 Speaker 6: would have expected. I want to say, maybe six people, 200 00:14:09,516 --> 00:14:12,276 Speaker 6: seven people that I was I think I was pretty 201 00:14:12,316 --> 00:14:15,356 Speaker 6: surprised that we actually found them and talked to them, 202 00:14:15,396 --> 00:14:16,516 Speaker 6: and they were willing to talk to us. 203 00:14:17,236 --> 00:14:21,196 Speaker 1: Both Scott and Terry say that to a person, everyone 204 00:14:21,236 --> 00:14:25,836 Speaker 1: they spoke with recalled Tom boasting about how and why 205 00:14:25,956 --> 00:14:29,276 Speaker 1: he'd gotten his tattoo here's Scott. 206 00:14:29,516 --> 00:14:32,556 Speaker 4: What Terry and I liked from talking to each and 207 00:14:32,596 --> 00:14:36,836 Speaker 4: every one of them was they all told the same story. 208 00:14:38,036 --> 00:14:40,236 Speaker 4: They all told it in the same sense of shock. 209 00:14:40,836 --> 00:14:48,836 Speaker 4: They all relived that moment now feeling guilt. I think 210 00:14:48,876 --> 00:14:52,996 Speaker 4: one even said, I always had it in the back 211 00:14:53,036 --> 00:14:55,956 Speaker 4: of my mind that it was true, and I'm so 212 00:14:56,156 --> 00:14:59,916 Speaker 4: upset I never told somebody so they could have looked 213 00:14:59,956 --> 00:15:00,356 Speaker 4: into it. 214 00:15:01,516 --> 00:15:04,716 Speaker 1: According to Jen, Tom had boasted about this murder on 215 00:15:04,836 --> 00:15:08,996 Speaker 1: other occasions as well. Tom allegedly showed her a newspaper 216 00:15:09,156 --> 00:15:12,236 Speaker 1: article from the Philadelphia Inquirer about a man who had 217 00:15:12,276 --> 00:15:18,956 Speaker 1: been killed, and he claimed that he was responsible. Bottom line, 218 00:15:19,436 --> 00:15:22,836 Speaker 1: Jen was another witness that the prosecution could bring before 219 00:15:22,876 --> 00:15:26,596 Speaker 1: the grand jury to bolster their case. Of course, what 220 00:15:26,716 --> 00:15:30,916 Speaker 1: she said didn't prove anything definitively, but the accounts from 221 00:15:30,956 --> 00:15:35,996 Speaker 1: these two ex girl friends, combined with Craig's confession, felt substantial. 222 00:15:37,276 --> 00:15:40,836 Speaker 1: This brings us to lead number three. Well, it wasn't 223 00:15:40,876 --> 00:15:44,076 Speaker 1: so much of a lead as it was a memory test, 224 00:15:44,916 --> 00:15:49,636 Speaker 1: a very very hard memory test. That's after the break. 225 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:06,636 Speaker 1: Aroan Wood was killed on the thirteen hundred block of 226 00:16:06,636 --> 00:16:10,556 Speaker 1: North Stillman Street in Philadelphia, a block or so away 227 00:16:10,796 --> 00:16:14,556 Speaker 1: from the walled campus of Gerard College. This was a 228 00:16:14,636 --> 00:16:19,196 Speaker 1: known fact, and this got Scott and Terry thinking could 229 00:16:19,236 --> 00:16:23,636 Speaker 1: Craig somehow independently verify that this was in fact the 230 00:16:23,676 --> 00:16:27,076 Speaker 1: sight of the murder that he'd help commit, Because if 231 00:16:27,116 --> 00:16:30,716 Speaker 1: he could verify this, well, then that might cement the 232 00:16:30,756 --> 00:16:35,316 Speaker 1: whole thing. Up until now, Craig maintained that he could 233 00:16:35,356 --> 00:16:38,396 Speaker 1: not recall an exact location or street name where it 234 00:16:38,396 --> 00:16:41,596 Speaker 1: all went down. But it seemed like it was worth 235 00:16:41,636 --> 00:16:45,196 Speaker 1: exploring this a bit further. Maybe they could test his memory. 236 00:16:46,076 --> 00:16:48,836 Speaker 1: In other words, get him in a car, drive him 237 00:16:48,836 --> 00:16:51,876 Speaker 1: to Philly, and just hope that he could lead them 238 00:16:51,876 --> 00:16:56,036 Speaker 1: to the location. If this worked, it could really enhance 239 00:16:56,116 --> 00:17:00,356 Speaker 1: the value of Craig's confession and helped tie it more 240 00:17:00,396 --> 00:17:02,836 Speaker 1: directly to the murder of iron Wood. 241 00:17:04,156 --> 00:17:07,596 Speaker 4: We say you to Craig, you were there, we weren't. 242 00:17:08,476 --> 00:17:15,516 Speaker 4: Perhaps you blocked it out. Let's just drive and unblock 243 00:17:15,596 --> 00:17:16,076 Speaker 4: your mind. 244 00:17:17,916 --> 00:17:21,196 Speaker 1: The idea was that Craig might see something an exit ramp, 245 00:17:21,236 --> 00:17:26,036 Speaker 1: a park, a building, some landmark that would spark his memory. 246 00:17:26,116 --> 00:17:29,236 Speaker 1: It was a gamble. If it worked, it might really 247 00:17:29,276 --> 00:17:33,236 Speaker 1: help their case. But the danger was if it didn't work, 248 00:17:33,636 --> 00:17:36,476 Speaker 1: If They drove to thirteen hundred North Stillman Street and 249 00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:40,556 Speaker 1: Craig said, no, this is not the spot. What do 250 00:17:40,596 --> 00:17:43,156 Speaker 1: you do? Then the whole case could be at risk. 251 00:17:44,476 --> 00:17:47,276 Speaker 1: In the end, Scott and Terry felt they had to 252 00:17:47,276 --> 00:17:50,716 Speaker 1: give it a try, had to roll the dice. So 253 00:17:51,196 --> 00:17:53,876 Speaker 1: they arranged to make a road trip. They put Craig 254 00:17:53,916 --> 00:17:59,236 Speaker 1: in the car and they drove to Philly. All right, 255 00:17:59,396 --> 00:18:02,436 Speaker 1: just situate me. Where are we in the city right now? 256 00:18:03,196 --> 00:18:09,116 Speaker 4: We are in North Philadelphia, in and around Gerard College. 257 00:18:09,796 --> 00:18:13,316 Speaker 1: So this is me and Scott this past fall. Basically, 258 00:18:13,316 --> 00:18:15,916 Speaker 1: I asked Scott to show me where exactly they had 259 00:18:15,956 --> 00:18:18,996 Speaker 1: taken Craig. So he drove around a bit in Scott's 260 00:18:19,036 --> 00:18:21,916 Speaker 1: car in the vicinity of the murder site, just like 261 00:18:21,996 --> 00:18:24,436 Speaker 1: he'd done with Craig back in two thousand and six. 262 00:18:25,476 --> 00:18:28,916 Speaker 1: And right away I began to see the challenges that 263 00:18:28,956 --> 00:18:32,596 Speaker 1: this memory test presented. Rowhouses. I mean, the blocks are 264 00:18:32,676 --> 00:18:35,636 Speaker 1: kind of indistinguishable. I mean there's a few landmarks, but 265 00:18:35,676 --> 00:18:38,596 Speaker 1: a lot of these blocks look almost identical to one another. 266 00:18:38,756 --> 00:18:41,636 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, I mean this is this is the beauty 267 00:18:41,676 --> 00:18:47,836 Speaker 4: of Philadelphia. You just have these amazing row homes and 268 00:18:49,156 --> 00:18:52,956 Speaker 4: you could see it's very easy to get lost, but 269 00:18:52,996 --> 00:18:57,516 Speaker 4: it's also very easy to confuse one block from another. 270 00:18:59,476 --> 00:19:01,956 Speaker 1: It was clear to me if this was a test 271 00:19:01,996 --> 00:19:05,236 Speaker 1: of Craig's memory, the difficulty level was dealed up to 272 00:19:05,316 --> 00:19:08,676 Speaker 1: expert mode. It had been nearly twenty years and it 273 00:19:08,676 --> 00:19:12,356 Speaker 1: didn't make any easier that the city scape just unfurled 274 00:19:12,396 --> 00:19:17,796 Speaker 1: like a vast, unvarying canvas. There was at least one 275 00:19:17,876 --> 00:19:21,516 Speaker 1: feature of the landscape that did really stand out, the 276 00:19:21,636 --> 00:19:25,036 Speaker 1: wall that surrounded the campus. It was a ten foot 277 00:19:25,116 --> 00:19:28,516 Speaker 1: high stone wall that just went on and on for 278 00:19:28,596 --> 00:19:33,156 Speaker 1: blocks and blocks. And if you recall, when Craig first confessed, 279 00:19:33,476 --> 00:19:36,396 Speaker 1: he talked about seeing a wall near the murder site, 280 00:19:37,036 --> 00:19:40,356 Speaker 1: so it seemed like this might be it the landmark 281 00:19:40,396 --> 00:19:45,076 Speaker 1: that jogged his memory. But Scott says when he drove 282 00:19:45,156 --> 00:19:48,916 Speaker 1: here with Craig down this very street, Craig could not 283 00:19:49,036 --> 00:19:57,996 Speaker 1: give him a definitive answer. It was all just maybe maybe. 284 00:19:58,876 --> 00:20:02,396 Speaker 1: Scott and I continued on following the wall for several blocks, 285 00:20:02,876 --> 00:20:06,156 Speaker 1: then turned right on a north Stillman Street, headed down 286 00:20:06,196 --> 00:20:10,756 Speaker 1: to the thirteen hundred block, and then we pulled up 287 00:20:10,796 --> 00:20:14,276 Speaker 1: to the intersection where it happened where Iron was murdered. 288 00:20:15,916 --> 00:20:19,036 Speaker 1: The mood, and the car turned somber. Neither of us 289 00:20:19,076 --> 00:20:23,116 Speaker 1: spoke for a moment. At this point, I'd spent months 290 00:20:23,116 --> 00:20:26,236 Speaker 1: looking into the story, and on the one hand, it 291 00:20:26,276 --> 00:20:30,636 Speaker 1: felt strangely momentous to finally be here at the spot. 292 00:20:31,116 --> 00:20:33,916 Speaker 1: Some part of me half expected to see a marker, 293 00:20:34,236 --> 00:20:38,916 Speaker 1: a sign, even some wilted flowers, anything to indicate that here, 294 00:20:39,116 --> 00:20:43,996 Speaker 1: right here, a man's life had ended suddenly. But in reality, 295 00:20:44,436 --> 00:20:48,956 Speaker 1: there was nothing. It was just another intersection, similar to 296 00:20:48,996 --> 00:20:53,516 Speaker 1: all the others, which apparently was exactly how it looked 297 00:20:53,516 --> 00:20:53,916 Speaker 1: to Craig. 298 00:20:54,996 --> 00:20:59,716 Speaker 4: We did come to this intersection, and there was not 299 00:21:00,076 --> 00:21:04,036 Speaker 4: anything that I remember Craig saying without a doubt other 300 00:21:04,116 --> 00:21:07,916 Speaker 4: than this very well could be it, but I couldn't 301 00:21:07,916 --> 00:21:08,676 Speaker 4: tell you for sure. 302 00:21:08,796 --> 00:21:09,036 Speaker 5: This is. 303 00:21:11,476 --> 00:21:13,996 Speaker 1: So In the end, the gamble, it was sort of 304 00:21:13,996 --> 00:21:17,476 Speaker 1: a push, not really a loss, but not a win either. 305 00:21:18,236 --> 00:21:21,596 Speaker 1: And it also seemed to underscore a fundamental limitation with 306 00:21:21,676 --> 00:21:25,676 Speaker 1: this case, a limitation that exists in so many cold cases, 307 00:21:26,276 --> 00:21:30,316 Speaker 1: simply that time had passed seventeen years to be exact 308 00:21:30,916 --> 00:21:34,036 Speaker 1: time in which memories had eroded, time in which the 309 00:21:34,116 --> 00:21:37,556 Speaker 1: case may have weakened, and this would be the fundamental 310 00:21:37,636 --> 00:21:41,916 Speaker 1: challenge for Carmen and the Philadelphia DA's office. There was, 311 00:21:42,036 --> 00:21:44,396 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, only so much that 312 00:21:44,556 --> 00:21:48,116 Speaker 1: investigators could provide in the way of proof. Some of 313 00:21:48,116 --> 00:21:51,756 Speaker 1: it was quite compelling, mainly the first person account from Craig, 314 00:21:52,756 --> 00:21:56,516 Speaker 1: but there were holes, gaps in what was known, and 315 00:21:56,596 --> 00:22:02,476 Speaker 1: these gaps would become unspoken invitations, courting the doubts of 316 00:22:02,556 --> 00:22:10,556 Speaker 1: all those who might pass judgment. In preparing for the 317 00:22:10,636 --> 00:22:14,916 Speaker 1: grand jury, Carmen, the Assistant DA, was clear eyed about 318 00:22:14,916 --> 00:22:18,556 Speaker 1: the challenges they faced. I asked her what they had 319 00:22:18,636 --> 00:22:21,636 Speaker 1: in terms of forensic evidence, not a. 320 00:22:21,596 --> 00:22:29,476 Speaker 5: Big CSI case, forensically from the eighties, and you got 321 00:22:29,476 --> 00:22:33,676 Speaker 5: a dead body, and you've got a bullet from the 322 00:22:33,716 --> 00:22:36,196 Speaker 5: dead body. That's it. 323 00:22:37,516 --> 00:22:41,156 Speaker 1: The strength of the prosecution's case hinged on three witnesses. 324 00:22:41,796 --> 00:22:45,236 Speaker 1: There were the two ex girlfriends, Jen and Patricia. They 325 00:22:45,356 --> 00:22:49,236 Speaker 1: each claimed independently that Tom had boasted about committing a murder. 326 00:22:49,916 --> 00:22:54,676 Speaker 1: The third witness was Craig, the alleged accomplice. Before the 327 00:22:54,716 --> 00:22:58,276 Speaker 1: grand jury convened, Carmen spent time with each of the witnesses. 328 00:22:58,916 --> 00:23:02,196 Speaker 1: She found them all credible and a bit nervous too. 329 00:23:02,356 --> 00:23:05,676 Speaker 1: The girlfriends each claimed that Tom Guybison had been violent 330 00:23:05,756 --> 00:23:09,236 Speaker 1: with him in the past. What's more, Carmen believed that 331 00:23:09,476 --> 00:23:12,996 Speaker 1: by agreeing to testify, they were putting themselves at risk. 332 00:23:13,876 --> 00:23:16,236 Speaker 5: Well, they know him better than anybody else, so they 333 00:23:16,276 --> 00:23:18,836 Speaker 5: knew what he was capable of. It's not easy to 334 00:23:18,836 --> 00:23:23,156 Speaker 5: get on the witness stand and talk about who you 335 00:23:23,276 --> 00:23:26,516 Speaker 5: used to care about and how bad they were, the 336 00:23:26,596 --> 00:23:30,396 Speaker 5: things that they did, whether you still love him or not, 337 00:23:31,076 --> 00:23:32,156 Speaker 5: not an easy thing to do. 338 00:23:33,636 --> 00:23:37,476 Speaker 1: The most important witness by far was Craig Peterson. 339 00:23:38,356 --> 00:23:43,036 Speaker 5: I found him to be very credible. I also think 340 00:23:43,036 --> 00:23:47,876 Speaker 5: he was remorseful, and I in a lot of ways 341 00:23:47,876 --> 00:23:52,596 Speaker 5: felt sorry for him because I thought, just from the 342 00:23:52,636 --> 00:23:57,556 Speaker 5: witnesses in general, Diabson was the bully to all of 343 00:23:57,596 --> 00:24:01,716 Speaker 5: them in different ways, and I believe he was a 344 00:24:01,756 --> 00:24:03,316 Speaker 5: bully to Craig Peterson. 345 00:24:04,636 --> 00:24:06,716 Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting you to say that you felt sorry 346 00:24:06,716 --> 00:24:08,516 Speaker 1: for him. 347 00:24:08,796 --> 00:24:13,676 Speaker 5: Yeah. I probably wasn't expecting say that either, but I 348 00:24:13,756 --> 00:24:19,476 Speaker 5: did it. There was remorse, You could feel the remorse. 349 00:24:20,396 --> 00:24:26,156 Speaker 5: You could see it in this guy, remorse to his soul, 350 00:24:27,436 --> 00:24:30,276 Speaker 5: and in a lot of ways, I think him cooperating 351 00:24:30,436 --> 00:24:40,556 Speaker 5: was purging what he did to him, trying to somewhat 352 00:24:40,756 --> 00:24:44,716 Speaker 5: make amends to that person that they killed and to 353 00:24:44,796 --> 00:24:49,476 Speaker 5: the person's family. And I don't feel that way about 354 00:24:49,556 --> 00:24:54,276 Speaker 5: many defendants. I really don't, especially the homicide defendants. But 355 00:24:56,236 --> 00:24:59,996 Speaker 5: I did feel that about him, and I still feel 356 00:25:00,036 --> 00:25:00,716 Speaker 5: it to this day. 357 00:25:02,476 --> 00:25:06,236 Speaker 1: Craig left a lasting impression on Carmen. She can still 358 00:25:06,236 --> 00:25:07,916 Speaker 1: picture him in her mind's eye. 359 00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:14,636 Speaker 5: I can recall Peterson because I looked at him and 360 00:25:15,316 --> 00:25:19,156 Speaker 5: felt Peterson's the skinhead. He looks like he's mixed with black. 361 00:25:20,876 --> 00:25:28,156 Speaker 5: I remember that he has an olive complexion that causes 362 00:25:28,156 --> 00:25:32,796 Speaker 5: me to believe I'm biracial, so I pay attention to 363 00:25:32,836 --> 00:25:39,476 Speaker 5: those things. I always thought he was mixed somewhere in there. 364 00:25:40,156 --> 00:25:42,716 Speaker 5: I don't know if he was adopted. Maybe he didn't 365 00:25:42,796 --> 00:25:47,356 Speaker 5: realize it, maybe he did, but I always thought, and 366 00:25:47,436 --> 00:25:51,516 Speaker 5: to this day I can remember and see his faith. 367 00:25:52,196 --> 00:25:58,396 Speaker 5: He looked like he could have been reletant. He was 368 00:25:58,516 --> 00:26:01,076 Speaker 5: very fair, but he wasn't that fair. 369 00:26:02,676 --> 00:26:06,196 Speaker 1: Carmen brought this up to me totally unprompted, though I 370 00:26:06,276 --> 00:26:09,556 Speaker 1: wasn't entirely surprised because I had heard this same thing 371 00:26:09,596 --> 00:26:13,996 Speaker 1: from Scott Duffy, the FBI agent. Quite the bombshell, or 372 00:26:13,996 --> 00:26:18,236 Speaker 1: maybe I should say potential bombshell, because I don't know 373 00:26:18,276 --> 00:26:21,796 Speaker 1: if it's true. If you recall, Craig went to federal 374 00:26:21,836 --> 00:26:25,396 Speaker 1: prison in the nineteen nineties. His prison records list his 375 00:26:25,556 --> 00:26:29,396 Speaker 1: race as white. But that's really all I can say. 376 00:26:30,196 --> 00:26:32,476 Speaker 1: I've been in touch with Craig. We first spoke a 377 00:26:32,516 --> 00:26:34,996 Speaker 1: few months ago on the phone. I had hoped that 378 00:26:35,036 --> 00:26:36,996 Speaker 1: he'd go on the record and share his side of 379 00:26:36,996 --> 00:26:40,116 Speaker 1: the story. I eventually sent him a letter with all 380 00:26:40,156 --> 00:26:42,516 Speaker 1: the info that we've included on him in this series 381 00:26:42,996 --> 00:26:46,236 Speaker 1: to give him a chance to respond, and this is 382 00:26:46,236 --> 00:26:50,396 Speaker 1: what he wrote back. Dear Jake, I give my permission 383 00:26:50,476 --> 00:26:53,836 Speaker 1: and ask to have the following herd. I've not responded 384 00:26:53,876 --> 00:26:57,116 Speaker 1: because I've been contemplating for many hours the positive and 385 00:26:57,236 --> 00:27:00,756 Speaker 1: negative things that can occur by participating in your podcast. 386 00:27:01,556 --> 00:27:05,316 Speaker 1: I'm going to decline, but would like to say my life, 387 00:27:05,596 --> 00:27:10,356 Speaker 1: my beliefs, and views are very different now. I do 388 00:27:10,476 --> 00:27:26,756 Speaker 1: sincerely regret any harm I've caused to everyone involved. In 389 00:27:26,796 --> 00:27:30,396 Speaker 1: the summer of two thousand and six, the grand jury convened. 390 00:27:31,116 --> 00:27:35,556 Speaker 1: The prosecution called its witnesses, including Craig, Peterson, the two 391 00:27:35,636 --> 00:27:39,956 Speaker 1: ex girlfriends, the two federal agents Scott and Terry and 392 00:27:40,036 --> 00:27:44,876 Speaker 1: also Louby, the detective from the Philadelphia PD. Was that 393 00:27:44,996 --> 00:27:49,036 Speaker 1: a winning hand. Well, the prosecution thought so, because in 394 00:27:49,076 --> 00:27:54,196 Speaker 1: the end they decided, yes, let's do this. They asked 395 00:27:54,196 --> 00:27:57,476 Speaker 1: for an indictment against Tom Geibison for the murder of 396 00:27:57,516 --> 00:28:00,916 Speaker 1: iron Wood, and the grand jury gave them the green light, 397 00:28:01,476 --> 00:28:05,556 Speaker 1: confirming that yes, there was probable cause to believe that 398 00:28:05,596 --> 00:28:09,996 Speaker 1: a crime had been committed. Charges were issued against Tom Guybison, 399 00:28:10,516 --> 00:28:15,436 Speaker 1: including murder in the first degree. When it came time 400 00:28:15,476 --> 00:28:18,516 Speaker 1: for the arrest, Scott and Terry were actually the ones 401 00:28:18,516 --> 00:28:21,716 Speaker 1: who planned it all out. It was an elaborate operation 402 00:28:21,916 --> 00:28:26,276 Speaker 1: involving the FBI, the ATF, and the Philadelphia Police Department. 403 00:28:26,996 --> 00:28:30,276 Speaker 1: Scott and Terry led the arrest team. They showed up 404 00:28:30,316 --> 00:28:32,236 Speaker 1: early in the morning at the house where he was 405 00:28:32,236 --> 00:28:36,956 Speaker 1: staying and just waited. Eventually Tom emerged. He was a 406 00:28:36,996 --> 00:28:40,596 Speaker 1: big guy with the build of a weightlifter. He walked 407 00:28:40,596 --> 00:28:46,356 Speaker 1: towards his car. Terry knew this was the moment, so like. 408 00:28:46,396 --> 00:28:49,476 Speaker 6: Police, please get down, get down, and I'm I'm yelling. 409 00:28:49,476 --> 00:28:52,916 Speaker 6: Others are yelling tough fur lungs and he just stands 410 00:28:52,956 --> 00:28:55,676 Speaker 6: there like a deer in the headlights, just staring at it, 411 00:28:55,836 --> 00:28:58,756 Speaker 6: staring at me, staring at them, and I could see 412 00:28:58,796 --> 00:29:00,356 Speaker 6: in his mind. I can see in his face he's 413 00:29:00,356 --> 00:29:02,836 Speaker 6: deciding what to do. He's got like a half a 414 00:29:02,836 --> 00:29:06,196 Speaker 6: dozen dudes, you know, potentially going to light him up 415 00:29:06,196 --> 00:29:09,116 Speaker 6: if he does something wrong, and he's just say he's 416 00:29:09,116 --> 00:29:11,796 Speaker 6: he's literally thinking what am I going to do? 417 00:29:13,956 --> 00:29:18,876 Speaker 1: Finally, Terry says, Tom put out his hands, surrendered, and 418 00:29:18,916 --> 00:29:22,636 Speaker 1: that was it. Everyone took a sigh of relief. They 419 00:29:22,676 --> 00:29:26,276 Speaker 1: read Tom his rights, handcuffed him, and informed him that 420 00:29:26,316 --> 00:29:28,876 Speaker 1: he was under arrest for the murder of Iran Wood. 421 00:29:29,556 --> 00:29:33,556 Speaker 1: He was extradited to Philadelphia, where he would eventually stand trial, 422 00:29:35,716 --> 00:29:39,236 Speaker 1: and it would be quite a trial, Roger King's last 423 00:29:39,276 --> 00:29:42,876 Speaker 1: case as a prosecutor, And as it turns out, King 424 00:29:42,916 --> 00:29:46,316 Speaker 1: would be up against a formidable opponent, a lawyer who 425 00:29:46,316 --> 00:29:49,916 Speaker 1: would make a tenacious defense of Tom Guybison and do 426 00:29:50,236 --> 00:29:53,516 Speaker 1: everything in his power to find the moth holes that 427 00:29:53,756 --> 00:29:57,756 Speaker 1: time had riddled into the fabric of evidence. It was 428 00:29:57,836 --> 00:30:00,516 Speaker 1: a trial that would hinge on the credibility of three 429 00:30:00,556 --> 00:30:04,836 Speaker 1: witnesses and a handful of crucial facts, a trial that 430 00:30:04,876 --> 00:30:09,436 Speaker 1: would find its way into the newspapers and TV news 431 00:30:09,476 --> 00:30:13,676 Speaker 1: passions about our nation's history of racist violence and about 432 00:30:13,796 --> 00:30:19,156 Speaker 1: what constitutes reasonable doubt. Tom Guybison would profess his innocence, 433 00:30:19,876 --> 00:30:23,956 Speaker 1: the Wood family would hope for justice, and a jury 434 00:30:24,036 --> 00:30:32,756 Speaker 1: of twelve Philadelphians would argue, agonize and decide. Next time 435 00:30:33,396 --> 00:30:34,356 Speaker 1: on Deep Cover. 436 00:30:34,876 --> 00:30:38,596 Speaker 7: I believe Tom Guybison is innocent. They have no physical evidence, 437 00:30:38,676 --> 00:30:42,356 Speaker 7: they had no gun, They had nothing but the ear 438 00:30:42,436 --> 00:30:47,796 Speaker 7: witnesses of scorned girlfriends and Craig Peterson, who had been 439 00:30:47,836 --> 00:30:51,476 Speaker 7: made an offer he couldn't refuse to escape prosecution in 440 00:30:51,516 --> 00:31:09,236 Speaker 7: return for full community. 441 00:31:20,356 --> 00:31:24,196 Speaker 1: Deep Cover is produced by Amy Gaines McQuaid and Jacob Smith. 442 00:31:24,756 --> 00:31:29,716 Speaker 1: It's edited by Karen Schakerji mastering by Jake Gorsky. Our 443 00:31:29,756 --> 00:31:33,236 Speaker 1: show art was designed by Sean Carney. Original scoring in 444 00:31:33,276 --> 00:31:37,396 Speaker 1: our theme was composed by Luis Gara, fact checking by 445 00:31:37,476 --> 00:31:43,156 Speaker 1: Arthur Gomperts. Our story consultant was James Foreman Jr. Special 446 00:31:43,196 --> 00:31:47,196 Speaker 1: thanks to Jerry Williams, Sarah Nis, Greta Cone, and Jake Flanagan. 447 00:31:48,396 --> 00:31:49,356 Speaker 1: I'm Jake Halpern