1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,559 Speaker 1: I'm Spencer Graves. This is Lines and Times, a iHeartRadio 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: podcast for fishermen, hunters, and outdoorsmen, people that enjoy wildlife 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: not only on land but also under the water. Joining 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: me this morning is Jimbo Mathley. He is the host 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: of Jimbo onlinear dot Com. He is the premier spotted 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: bass guide on Lake Lanier. Let's get to know Jimbo 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: and find out a little more about what will make 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: you a better fisherman in general, if you're a tournament 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: fisherman or just a regular bass fisherman. How those two 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: are vastly different yet share similar characteristics. But to do that, 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: we have to get to know the man who is Jimbo. 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 1: When did you become a fisherman? 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: I started fishing when I was young. My dad take me, 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: would take me crappiefishing. When I or crappy as we 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: say it, he would take me crappy fishing. I'm going 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: to say I was seven, eight nine somewhere. 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: And that's when you were living in Indiana. 18 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: Correct. 19 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: I grew up in Indiana, this small town, Penilton, Indiana. 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: We go fishing at Geist Reservoir, which is still there. 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: It's really built up now. It's amazing. It's got you know, homes. 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: Is it a lake or is it just a place 23 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: to supply water to a major city or town nearby. 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: I think it's more of a water supply, but it 25 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: definitely has a lot of recreational boating and used to 26 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: have a lot of fishing. 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 3: I think it still has some. 28 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: How big is it? Is it around the sizle in 29 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: the air is a lot smaller? 30 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: Much smaller, much smaller. 31 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I don't know, eight thousand acres maybe, you know, 32 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: compared to thirty eight for l near that's just a. 33 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: Gas, I don't know. 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: So your dad would take you out, Yeah, you'd spend 35 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: your time doing some crappie fishing. And then from there, 36 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: how did you get into bass? 37 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: So I went to school at Purdue. It really kind 38 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: of stopped fishing when I got into high school. Way 39 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: cooler things to be doing in high school fishing, Way 40 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: cooler things to be doing in college and fishing. But 41 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: when I got out of college, I moved to Virginia 42 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: to take a job your home state, right yep, with 43 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: a hotel company out there. And I was living in Lorton, Virginia, 44 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: which is you know, kind of south of DC, maybe 45 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: thirty five miles and my next door neighbor within an 46 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: apartment complex. 47 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: My next door neighbor was an. 48 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: Avid fisherman from Kentucky, so he had a bass fishing background. 49 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: He's like, you know, Wally, he'd called me Wally, you know, 50 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: and I don't know why, Wally. 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 3: We should go try to fish. 52 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: There's a reservoir down here, it's called the Aquan Reservoir. 53 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: We should go try to fish. It'd be fun, you know. 54 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not early a bass fish. 55 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. He's like, come on, man, we'll go 56 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: rent a john boat. So we did. 57 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: We went down to this little parts called Fountainead Regional Park, 58 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: rented a john boat, put in the batteries, put in 59 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: a troll and motor, and went, you know, trolling on 60 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 2: this you know, little reservoir in northern Virginia. 61 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 3: And it was. 62 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: The first couple of trips weren't all that successful, but 63 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: I enjoyed the experience and it reminded me of spending 64 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: time with my dad, right, So that's the thing that really, 65 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: you know, I was gravitating towards. I enjoyed that time 66 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: on the water. And then we had a trip I 67 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: don't know, three or four trips in where I caught 68 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 2: a big bass, or at least for me, it was 69 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: a big bass. It was maybe three pounds or something, 70 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: but to me it was, you know, a ten pounder, 71 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: and it was. 72 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: I was just cooked. I mean, that was it. 73 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: It was like that feeling like I threw a rapella, 74 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: a little you know, floating menow repella up by. 75 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: A lay down log, right, and I'll never forget this. 76 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: I threw it up there first of all, to me, 77 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: make a cast that accurately at that time, just stupid. 78 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: But I got it up there right beside the log, 79 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: and I let it sit and you know, let the 80 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: ripples clear away like they always say. And I gave 81 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: a little twitch and I watched that bass come out 82 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: and roll underneath it and grab that rapp and. 83 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: So it was a top water hit and that just 84 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: got you so excited. 85 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: That was it. 86 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: And you know, even today, you know, I've got a 87 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: song that plays before my weekly video reports, and it's 88 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: still top water. Catch Them on Top is his fave, 89 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: you know, something like that in the lyrics, and it's true, man, 90 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: It's that's what juices me the most, is that top 91 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: water strike, seeing that interaction with the fish. But ever 92 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: since then, really that's that's where the bass fishing journey 93 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: started is with Matt, my buddy from you know, years 94 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: and years ago that lived across across the hall from 95 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: me in the apartment complex my wife and I lived 96 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: in and Lorden, Virginia. 97 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: It's where all started. 98 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: And so do you still get that excited when you 99 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: see a fish blow up on top of. 100 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: It absolutely full tilt. I mean, it just drives me. 101 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: It's it's my passion. I mean to see that that interaction, 102 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: the energy that flows from that and moreover, now the 103 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: excitement that my clients see. 104 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: Sure when that. 105 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: Happens, they're so dialed into that. It's like when they 106 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: see that, well, first of all, they don't understand that 107 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: it's possible. With spot of bass is completely different, especially 108 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: in this lake because we've got the blue backs. Blue 109 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: back hearing are you know, more of a plagic baitfish specie, 110 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: So they move around a lot, and so do the spots. 111 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 2: So the spots are very aggressive. Spot of bass are 112 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: very athletic, and often they'll wolf pack together and they'll 113 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: chase after your top water baits with you know, extreme passion, 114 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: and they'll come up together chasing these baits and like 115 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: they're fighting over your bait. 116 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: It's amazing. 117 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 1: So trying to catch two on one lure is actually 118 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: a real possibility with spots way more than largemouth I think. 119 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: So, yeah, we just had it happen last week. We 120 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 2: had two on a vixen. We threw out a vixen 121 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: walking bait client of mine, and he hooked two. He's like, 122 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 2: this is a really good fish. And I'd seen one 123 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: of the fish that had hit it and it didn't 124 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 2: look all that big. I'm like, huh, maybe one, you know, 125 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: another one got it. Well, another one got it, but 126 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: they both had it right. I was thinking, maybe, you know, 127 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: because a lot of times the bigger fish will knock 128 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 2: the smaller fish out of the way if you're lucky 129 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: right when you're out there throwing the top water over 130 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: those brush piles. But yeah, so he hooked two in one, 131 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 2: and that's, you know, a fairly common occurrence, because again, 132 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: the spotted bass are so aggressive, they're so competitive. 133 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: You know. 134 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: A buddy of mine set it best. This is the 135 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: best thing I've ever heard about how to catch spot 136 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: a back. He's like, The very best way to catch 137 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: a spotted bass on your lure is to have two 138 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: of them interested in it. 139 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: I mean, that's it. 140 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: That is the app just because of the competition. 141 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like they are such competitive creatures 142 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: by nature. 143 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 3: It's amazing. 144 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: So let's get back to Virginia. You had your buddy 145 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: who got you intrigued in bass fishing. You caught that 146 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: three pounder off that laid down, and immediately you were like, Okay, 147 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: this is fun. I'd like to do this. 148 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 149 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: Then did you get into guiding? 150 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 3: No? 151 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: No, Actually that was early on in my hotel career. 152 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: I spent twenty years as a sales and marketing executive 153 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 2: in the hotel business, so that was in the early nineties, 154 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: ninety two to ninety three somewhere in there, and definitely 155 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: no guiding. It was just a recreational pursuit. 156 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: So did you start fishing more because you caught that 157 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: fish or did you kind of regress and not fish 158 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: as much? 159 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: No? I did. I fished a bunch. 160 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: I mean it was like my wife literally, and she'll 161 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: tell you to this day, we almost got divorced. 162 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: We've been married thirty years now. 163 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: But I became a fishing or she became a fishing 164 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: widow because I was gone every possible moment. I mean, 165 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: if I could sneak in two hours after work, I'd 166 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: get home, go to the like every weekend, daylight to dark. 167 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm in my twenties. 168 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: We hadn't been married but you know a couple of 169 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: years at the time, and I'm like, I'm going, what's that? 170 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: No kids yet? 171 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: No, no kids. 172 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: We didn't have kids till seven years in. So yeah, 173 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: that was ninety seven. 174 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: Was our first job. 175 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: So you bought a boat, bought a. 176 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: Boat, got a john boat, decked it out, like built 177 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: it up. You know, there's there's a side on Facebook 178 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: decked out john boats. 179 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: Same thing. 180 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: It's like you take a john boat and turn it 181 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: into a mini bass boat and it just. 182 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: It was awesome. It was perfect. I mean, it's just 183 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: like a miniature bassboat. 184 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: A power engine. 185 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: You know. The lake is so funny. 186 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: The lake had a nine point nine horsepower limit, but 187 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: everybody sought to cheat that, right, and there was always 188 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: ways of doing that, and often we would get the 189 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: Tatsu motors would have a nine point nine decal or 190 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: sticker on them, right, But a quick change on the 191 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: throttle body and you're up at fifteen, right. I mean 192 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: it's just literally one piece of the nine point nine 193 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: is in. The fifteens were built the same way, with 194 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: the exception of a you know, call it a restrictor 195 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: plate for lack of a better. 196 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, that's exactly what it is. 197 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: It was just a governor, yeah, exactly. It was just 198 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: a governor on the thing and boom. So that was 199 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: that was the story. 200 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: And we'd get the fifteen horsepower out there, and a 201 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: lot of guys to try to get the eighteens in 202 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 2: the twenties, and you know, the DNR up there was 203 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: all over that they knew people were cheating the system, 204 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 2: but they could ever prove it right. Most of the 205 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: time they couldn't prove it. But so fifteen horsepower engine. 206 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: We'd fish tournaments and this is a big deal. Was 207 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: like thirty five, you know, forty boat club tournaments up there, 208 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: and so we got into you know, I got into 209 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: tournament fishing, not just bass fishing. 210 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: So I brought in. 211 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 2: The competitive side of it as well, and I think 212 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: that's what drove me further because I'm very competitive by nature. 213 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: So what's the difference because you brought up I got 214 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: into tournament fishing over just bass fishing. Sure, it is 215 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: the same thing. And I'm sure a lot of guys 216 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: go into a tournament thinking, you know what, if I 217 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: can go out here and just fish, I'm still having 218 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: a good day. 219 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And and it is the difference. It is fun 220 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 2: to just fish, there's no question. But it's like fishing 221 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: in a limited amount of time, like given you know 222 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: a stretch of time that you've got to go get 223 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: your heaviest five fish. So now it's like you can 224 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: do what you love, but now you're doing it for 225 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: more than just the enjoyment. 226 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: It's like a purpose. 227 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: It it's like putting guardrails around the whole process. Right, So, look, 228 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: you've got to play in this box, and you have 229 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: got to do it better than the other you know, 230 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: thirty people that you're competing against that day. So then 231 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: it takes it to a whole other level. And because 232 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: I am that kind of type, a driver, competitive sort 233 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: of guy, that just drove me to get better, and 234 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: it drove me to learn more. It drove me to 235 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 2: seek information, to practice more, to go out and understand 236 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: the different behaviors and patterns and do the research and study. 237 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: And at the time the nineties that you know, we 238 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: didn't have information runner fingertips, so you know, you're talking 239 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: about reading bass Master Magazine, going to there were some 240 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: fishing seminars and things back then that the pros would hold. 241 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: A differently, so you had to wait on information. 242 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't like today, nothing like today. It's amazing 243 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: what we have today. 244 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: Comparatively, it is really interesting that the level of information 245 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: that you can get now is so far advanced compared 246 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: to the nineties. Because a little background on me, I 247 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: didn't grow up fishing. I lived on a lake that 248 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: was a bass master lake. Yeah, and it's one of 249 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: the best in the southeast. It's Smith Mountain Lake in Virginia. 250 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an awesome lake. 251 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: And I lived there and I'm sitting there thinking to myself, Man, 252 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: maybe I should fish. But my dad wasn't a fisherman, 253 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: so you weren't going to see me jump onto a 254 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: boat and go fishing with my dad. However, when I 255 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: moved to Georgia and Lake Lanier was now twenty minutes away, 256 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: my buddy Tyler said, you need to come fishing. So ironically, 257 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: I met him in Virginia because we grew up on 258 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: the same lake but didn't know each other. And I 259 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: was up there for a fourth of July and same 260 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: exact thing. He gave me a ripola jerk bait. That's hilarious, 261 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: and he loves striper fishing. Now I'm way more of 262 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: a spot of bass and largemouthed kind of guy, but 263 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't mind an occasional striper fish. And we were 264 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: fishing this little cove and you knew it was a 265 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: striper cove because all the guide boats were out there. 266 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: Everybody with their pontoons was circling, yeah, drop shots and 267 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: trolling like everybody was doing that. We saw activity up 268 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: on the rip rap in about two foot of water, 269 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: forcing baitfish into the rip rap and they would start 270 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: at one end of the rip rap and go all 271 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: the way down and back and forth. And they made 272 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: this pass two or three times. So I took that 273 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: rippola jerkbait it out. Talk about accuracy with a cast, 274 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: sat right at the bottom of the rip rap beautiful, 275 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: and within seconds, I mean it had to be a 276 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: millisecond maybe I got nailed, and I saw my line 277 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: go from that rip rap straight back down to eighty 278 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: foot of water, and that's when I was like, there's 279 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: got to be a fish on here. And I start 280 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: reeling in and it's the biggest to the two date, 281 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: It's the biggest fish I ever caught, a forty three 282 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: inch thirty eight pounds driver. 283 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 284 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: And I remember I looked at my buddy Tyler, and 285 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: I said, when we get back to Georgia, we're going 286 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: to bass pro shops and we're buying equipment. 287 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and a boat. 288 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: So I knew that I was all in. But the 289 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: beautiful part was that was two years ago. 290 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 291 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: So now in that time, I've had the access to 292 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: the internet, bass Master magazine, people like you, different fishermen 293 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: in the community, where I've started to kind of piece 294 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: all this together. But nothing will out do time on 295 00:12:59,240 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: the water. 296 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: No, there's no replacement for water time. It is. It 297 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: is truly the quintessential ingredient to success. 298 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: So if we're talking about the difference between tournament fishing 299 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: and just bass fishing, yeah, time on the water in both. 300 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: How do you break that down? 301 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: Uh? 302 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: In terms of what more like, I mean, you've got 303 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: you've got to really study and pursue the patterns and 304 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: understand the options and really to do you know, to 305 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: be a successful tournament angler, you've got to know how 306 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: these fish move in different situations, different conditions, and particularly 307 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: like on a place like Lanear where it's so uh 308 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: you know, like I say, the fish are soapologic, because 309 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: the bait fish are so polgic. They change so much, 310 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: and only experience can lead you to that gut instinct 311 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: of the night next right call to get to the 312 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 2: right spot and throw the right lure in the right 313 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: place to get that bite. You need to win the 314 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: tournament or do well or whatever. 315 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: And you have to know every individual body of water 316 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: you do well. You're in the schedule, You've got five 317 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: lakes that you're going to fish. You need to know 318 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: all of them equally, if not more than any other 319 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: body of water you've ever been on. 320 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely to do well, to expect to do well. Now 321 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 2: you can always get lucky. You can always know enough 322 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: to get you to a suspect place that makes sense. 323 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: Maybe you just found it on a map and you know, 324 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: you know from a seasonality perspective that hey, they ought 325 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: to be here this time of the year, and you 326 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: could show up there and do well in a tournament 327 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: without any preparation. However, that's you know, it's kind of 328 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: like winning the lottery. It's not going to happen that often. 329 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: Somebody's always going to win it, right, but you know 330 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: it's not going to happen. 331 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: On So when you were in these John Bo tournaments 332 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: back in Virginia, you knew that body of water better 333 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: than any body of water that you were around. 334 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, that was. 335 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: I was more of an expert on that than any 336 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: other place I fished. Was I the best fisherman on 337 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: that body of water? Probably not No, but I was 338 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: one of the better ones, but probably. 339 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 3: Not the best. 340 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: So how did she handle those conversations? As it got 341 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: more realistic? 342 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: She came to me and she'd been up all night, 343 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: said she'd been crying in praying all night. And she 344 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: handed me a note card and on that note card 345 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: she said, you know, this just came to me. I 346 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: opened the Bible and this was this verse was there 347 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: and and it was or On the note card she 348 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: wrote h Psalms thirty seven to five, and paraphrase it 349 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: basically says, commit your way to the Lord and he 350 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: will deliver this to you. 351 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: And she handed me that note card, which I. 352 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: Still have, and I've still got it like right by 353 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: my mirror in my bathroom. Uh and uh, she said, 354 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: go be a fishing guide. I support you one hundred percent. 355 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: What would happen if you ever lost that card? 356 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: Uh? 357 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably probably have to get it tattooed 358 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: on my arm, which I'm considering doing anyway, are you really? 359 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? 360 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've actually got like a cross tattooed over here, 361 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: and I've got a treble hook on my left arm. 362 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: But that that verse Psalms thirty seven to five, I'm 363 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: thinking about it getting tattooed on my yeah, left arm. 364 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: So it's wild how moments like that in someone's life 365 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: really do come to fruition. Yeah, when you just hear 366 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: a couple of powerful words and and all of a 367 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: sudden you're like, I'm going to take that step because 368 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure at the time, even after doing fifty or 369 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: sixty paid guided trips, I'm sure at the time you 370 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: felt like I just need that little push. 371 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just need that. 372 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: You know, you're always searching for that tipping point, the 373 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: thing that really makes you believe, And you know with 374 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: anything that you start anything that you're very passionate about 375 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: you want to do. You've got to dive in full force. 376 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: There's no kind of stick in your toe and hey, 377 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: is this going to work? And kind I do that 378 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: with me? It's like, you know, if you've got a 379 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: backup plan, you're not committed. I had no backup plan 380 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: that this was it feaster famine. I'm going to be 381 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: a fishing guide. It's either going to kill me or 382 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make it. That's really the attitude that I had, 383 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: and this is this is what I'm doing, and I was. 384 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: I can't explain how that passion grew and how that 385 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: commitment grew. But that's a whole nother level of commitment. 386 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: It's like I'm going to do this or you know, 387 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: we're going to be living in a box somewhere on 388 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: you know, beside a river. Uh. And that's how serious 389 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: it was. And man, when you've got that kind of drive, 390 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: you can achieve anything. I mean, that's anything that you 391 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: want to do, you can do. 392 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: When you think about your days in Virginia where you 393 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: just got into bass fishing, Yeah, did you spend the 394 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: time fishing with your dad for crappy and all that 395 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: stuff as a kid but when you get into bass fishing, 396 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: it's a whole different animal. 397 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 2: Oh. 398 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, How did you learn how to pick baits? How 399 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: did you learn how to pick the right equipment? 400 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: You know, I think it's an evolution on a number 401 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: of different levels. You know. 402 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 2: You you look at what you read and you you know, 403 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: gather information on well, you know, this bate's been working, 404 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: this is the bait. You know, these are the baits 405 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: that are hottest on tour right now. 406 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 3: You know. 407 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 2: So you see that and you automatically want to go 408 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: try that. It's like, Okay, I'm seeing that it's working 409 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: in other places. 410 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: Uh, let's go try this, and let's go try that. 411 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: A lot of it is networking, right, you know, ramp 412 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: talk like, hey, you know what'd you catch him on 413 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: the day? 414 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: Well, we did this and we did that. Oh that's 415 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: a but I know. 416 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: So, do you feel that most people are honest when 417 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: they're given ram talk? 418 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 3: No? 419 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 2: Never, no, no, no, you know, I think that there's absolutely 420 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: a few that are. 421 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 3: Uh. 422 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: And you know that's been my point of difference. That's 423 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: the thing that I've always thought in my guiding career 424 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: and and everything that I do is to have integrity 425 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: and to always tell the truth about when somebody asked me, hey, 426 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: what are you doing. I've just always been the guy 427 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: that tells everybody what I did, right, And there's always 428 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: this you know, amazing secrecy. It's like a soap opera 429 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: of how do we, you know, twist the story not 430 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: to tell the real story. 431 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 3: And it's weird though. I mean, fishermen are so and 432 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: I'm sure hunters too. I don't. 433 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: I don't hunt like you guys do, but I'm sure 434 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 2: you know they're the same way. It's like, oh, I'm 435 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: not going to give away my you know, trade seeker 436 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: to trade bait. 437 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: It's a little different in hunting because in hunting, everybody 438 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: is pretty much geared with the same thing. You got 439 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: a tree stand, you got a rifle, you got a bow, 440 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: and you're waiting on the animal to come to you. 441 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: Now you've done the preparation where you have a trail 442 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: camera and you can start to pattern this deer's movement, 443 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: so you can kind of understand that normally, given the 444 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: moon or given the sun, that they're usually in this 445 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: area around this time, and that's really what sets you 446 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: apart from other hunters. Yeah, but when it comes to fishing. 447 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: You could go out on a lake just like Lanear, Yeah, 448 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: and one guy's catching them on brush piles on top water. 449 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 450 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: But then you go to talk to another guy and 451 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: he's like, well, I was drop shotting and I was 452 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: catching fish on that where you can talk to the 453 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: one guy is like, caught the biggest fish of my 454 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: life with a shaky head with a junebug trickworm. 455 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 2: The great thing about bass fishing is there's more than 456 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: one approach that will work, and tournament fishing forces you 457 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 2: to hone and figure out, Okay, of the five different 458 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: things that I can be doing to catch fish right now, 459 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: what's the best one to catch the most weight today. 460 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: That's the difference between bass fishing and tournament fishing. Is 461 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: bass fishing you can choose any one of the five 462 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: and be happy maybe, or you choose the one that 463 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: has the technique that you like to do the most 464 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: the way you like to catch them. Tournament fishing is, 465 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: like I say, it's like place in a bet, which 466 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: one of those five, if I stick with it all day, 467 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: is going to lead me to the heaviest five fish 468 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 2: versus all my other competitors. 469 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: So you don't really know because as somebody who just 470 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: started out fishing a couple of years ago, like I 471 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: jumped in, like you said, now I'm doing tournaments and 472 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: I like just fun fishing and all that. For me, 473 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: it's always been the elimination of this is the bait 474 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: that's working the best, and it's working in this situation. 475 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: So now I have to find those situations and replicate 476 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: them all throughout the lake. Yeah, one is pretty right. 477 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: If one's producing, then I'll stay there. If that shuts 478 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: up or locks down, then I have to go mimic 479 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: that exact situation somewhere else. I have to find the 480 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: wind blowing on it. I have to find, you know, 481 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: a brush pile. I have to find something that has 482 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: a steep drop off on a point on one side, 483 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: shallow on the other. So in tournament fishing, you are 484 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: eliminating possibilities, even though when you're out just fun fishing, 485 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: you can catch you amunt a shaky head off a point. 486 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: But as soon as you start ramp talk, then all 487 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden you're learning that other guys were catching 488 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: more and maybe better quality bass doing. 489 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: This exactly, and and that's you know, that's another great 490 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: point of you know, I think the thing that drives success, 491 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: probably more than lower choice, probably more than location choice, 492 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: is confidence. It's it's confidence in whatever you're doing, that 493 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 2: that is the thing to be doing. And ram talk 494 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 2: a lot of times goes toward, you know, breaking up 495 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: your confidence. Really, I mean it's it'll shatter your confidence sometimes, 496 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 2: like you may have the confidence to be throwing a 497 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: swim bait or whatever the case is, uh, and you know, 498 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: you hear a report that in a worm or a drop. 499 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 3: Shot or whatever's working better. 500 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 2: And and then your confidence starts to wane. You don't 501 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: have that same level of confidence in your approach that 502 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: you had previously. So therefore what happens you don't spend 503 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 2: as much time I'm doing it because the you know, 504 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: fomo comes in the fear of missing out. Maybe I'm 505 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: missing out on another something. I better go try that. 506 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 2: And it's when those thoughts start running through your head 507 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: and all that, you know, all the quiet leaves you 508 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: and all the noise comes in. That's when you start 509 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: to falter and not fish as well. And your results 510 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: will show that and all of a sudden, done if 511 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 2: you're fishing with confidence, even if you're fishing the wrong 512 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 2: bait quote unquote, you're going to do better than most 513 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: because that is the true essence of performance, is confidence 514 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: and focus. You can choose and have a favorite lure. 515 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: In doing that, you're succumbing to the fact that you 516 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: are not going to have a great day every day 517 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: you go out. You're not going to catch fish consistently 518 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: every time you go out. That's not going to happen. 519 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: If you commit to a favorite lure and that's your lure, 520 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: and that's what you do. If you can be happy 521 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: knowing that going in and again, it all depends on 522 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: your goals. What do you want to achieve out of 523 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: the time you're spending on the water. 524 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can have a. 525 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: Favorite bait, absolutely, but if you want to catch fish consistently, 526 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: you have got to be open to the circumstances of 527 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: the day, be able to read the water, read the 528 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: water conditions, the weather conditions, you know recent patterns, factor 529 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: in your recent experience on the water, and that's where 530 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: that watertime, there's no replacement for water time. 531 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 3: Factor all that in. 532 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: And then make a decision based on that information of 533 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: a starting point of a place you want to begin, 534 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: and then from there remain flexible and be open to 535 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 2: changing depending on the situation and depending on the feedback 536 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: you get from the fish using that lure, or hey, 537 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 2: am I getting bit? Am I not getting bit? And 538 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 2: if I am getting bit? Where am I getting bit 539 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: with it? What situation or condition you know am I 540 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: in or what location type am I in getting those strikes? 541 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: And does it make sense based. 542 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 3: On my goal? Right? This is the funnel you got 543 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: to run it through. 544 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: Does it make sense based on my goal to stay 545 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: with this bait or to move to something else? Something 546 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: else in an adjacent genre, call it of lures. Right, 547 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: So maybe we're throwing a swim bait and it's working, 548 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: But maybe we throw a bigger swim bat and get 549 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 2: fewer bites but bigger fish because I'm in a tournament 550 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: and I need bigger fish. Or maybe I moved from 551 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: a medium sized swim bait to a smaller bite smaller 552 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: sized swim bait because I'm getting some swipes from fish. 553 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: They're really not eating it. Most of the time. I 554 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 2: catch a few, but if I go to a smaller one, 555 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: I can catch a whole lot more fish, and I 556 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 2: can have a forty fish day. 557 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: So then you're just trying to weed out the possibility. 558 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: You know, when I tournament fished and as I look back, 559 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: my victories or the high finishes that I had all 560 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: were driven by. 561 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: A catch of six to eight fish a day. That's 562 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 3: all I caught, That's all we caught. 563 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: Ur is your focus go get quality over quantity? 564 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: Correct? 565 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: Yes, so we were at those times. There's typically team tournaments. 566 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: We were dialed into a specific pattern that we knew 567 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: held the opportunity of catching bigger fish. We knew we 568 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 2: weren't going to get many bites. So it demanded an 569 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: extreme focus and certainly that positive energy. I mean sometimes 570 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: we went, you know, four or five hours into the 571 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 2: tournament and maybe only had one fish or two fish. 572 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: But it's having that confidence to keep going. And again 573 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: that it's like the you know, the motivation, the willpower, 574 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it to not bail to 575 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 2: not you know, move away from what you know will 576 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: work if you stay with it, and it's and not 577 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 2: I'll boiled down to confidence. 578 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 3: Right, I've got confidence in that bait. 579 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: At that time, I forget Are you a hummingbird guy? 580 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 3: Yes? Now I am. 581 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: I was Laurence for a long time, and now I've 582 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: got actually two hummingbird units and a garment. So I've 583 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: got the pan optics feature on the garment, which is 584 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: truly game change. 585 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: Do you think you'll switch over to Megaalive or will 586 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: you stay with Garmen. 587 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 3: I'll look at it when it comes out. 588 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: I'm never the first guy to jump on the technology, 589 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: you know, bandwagon with anything with phones, I mean anything 590 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: through that. I've always I'm kind of a wait and 591 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: see guy. I want to see what, see what happens, get, 592 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: you know, a chance to absorb. But I think my 593 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: brain needs to see it a certain number of times 594 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: before I can really make a good decision on hey, 595 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: yes this is something I want. And the same with garment. 596 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: I had to be around the garment a few times 597 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: in other people's boats before I finally decided, yeah, this 598 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: is something I need and I could use to effectively 599 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: bolster my guide service. 600 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: Right, I could do better with clients and see things. 601 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: Have you seen change? 602 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh? Yea one hundred percent? 603 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: Is it a game changer? Just for bass fishing and 604 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: tournament fishing. 605 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: Whatever kind of fishing you're doing, you're going to have 606 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 2: an advantage being able to look ahead real time and 607 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: see the structure and the fish and how they're relating 608 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: to that structure in advance of your cast. It's amazing. 609 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a tremendous advantage to having that view 610 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 2: and that. 611 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: Quality and your client's fish is catches has gone. 612 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: Up, oh one hundred percent, and we were catching fish 613 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: that we never would have caught before because I'm making 614 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: cast to areas that I never would have made before, 615 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 2: simply because of that panoptics feature, because I can scan 616 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 2: three sixty around me and go, oh wow, even though 617 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: the rush pile I wanted to fish over was up 618 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: here in front of us, cast to the left forty 619 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: feet because there's five fish hanging out in a little group, 620 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: you know, ten foot down. 621 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: Has that changed your thought process on how fish pattern 622 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: on linear where you would assume they'd be in brush piles, 623 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: but now they're even further away. 624 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 2: It's definitely taught me a lot more. Yes, I've learned 625 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 2: a lot, and I continue to learn, and I always 626 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: learn on Lanear. 627 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 3: Because it does change daily. 628 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 2: It is literally one of the most difficult lakes to 629 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: fish that I've ever fished, and I get that comment 630 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 2: from almost everybody that comes there. It is truly one 631 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: of the toughest lakes to fish in the country. And 632 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: again it's all driven because the blueback hearing. It's this 633 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: strong population there, and it's their nature, which is a 634 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: very pelagic nature. They move all the time, and because 635 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: they move all the time, the fish follow them. You know, 636 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 2: the fish that you're after most of the time, it's 637 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 2: three to five pounders move around after them. And because 638 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: that happens, it's unpredictable, right, It's the most un predictable 639 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: lake that I've ever fished. It can change dramatically overnight 640 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: because the bait moves and so therefore will the fish. 641 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 2: And really, at the end of the day, I think 642 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: I'm very thankful for that because it's job security for me. 643 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: Because people always struggle on the ear. They don't understand it. 644 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: It's such a you know, a different fishery compared to 645 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: what most fisheries are here in the Southeast. You know, 646 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: if you look at it, you fall a seminole. Completely 647 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: different fisheries. I mean, there's there's barely anything in common 648 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: between Lanier and those fisheries. 649 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: But that's actually one of the most beautiful things about 650 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: the Southeast is you can find ocony and Sinclair, they're 651 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: very similar. Yeah, you fall a fish is a lot 652 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: like Lake Gunnersville, Yes, and a lot of the Tennessee 653 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: River lakes yea, even though it's off the Chattahoochee. 654 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: Yep. 655 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: The gizzard chad that you'll find that you fall, uh, 656 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: and you'll find a Gunnersville. You won't find gizzard chad 657 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: in Lake Lanier. 658 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: No, there are actually gizzards in there. 659 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: How does that play when you know that there's a 660 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: bait fish. Is it just the baitfish that's the most dominant. 661 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the baitfish that's the most prolific and the 662 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: one that your target species is pursuing. 663 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: So it's under some spots primarily like going after blue 664 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: back herring and threadfin shad over a gizzard chad. 665 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I think it's more balanced. The gizzers 666 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: do grow pretty quickly and they become a good striper 667 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: bait because they get so big and a striper can 668 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: still eat them. But a spotted bass, you know those 669 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: things that you mentioned, the thread fins, the blue backs, 670 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 2: even crayfish, they're all in the realm of potential, you know, 671 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: attack targets for a spotted bass. But the spot of 672 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: bass that we seek on these trips. You know that 673 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 2: again that two and a half to maybe five pound 674 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: class are fish that focus on the blueback herring because 675 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: the blue back represent the best protein source available. 676 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: In the lake. 677 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: They the blue back hair and grow bigger than the 678 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: threadfinch chad by, you know, a significant amount, maybe up 679 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: to three times or four times the size of a 680 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: thread fin, but still in a slender profile. Unlike the 681 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: bigger shad, the gizzard shad that you mentioned. They get 682 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 2: kind of wide, almost like a brim does, and just 683 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 2: not as easily you know, digestible of a meal, I 684 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: guess you'd say, or easily you know, pursued type of meal. 685 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: The blue backs have a very similar shape to the 686 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: thread fins and they can eat them more easily. Now 687 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: they're very fast. The blueback heiring are extremely agile, extremely quick, 688 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: and really pack well together. So it's a challenge for 689 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: these spotted bass to get them. But they've evolved and 690 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: they understand that if they work in groups and wolf packs, 691 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: they're going to have much more success together targeting one 692 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: baitfish out of a group. If they can separate it 693 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: from a group, they're going to have way more success as. 694 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: They're also dealing with a much bigger lake too. Oh 695 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: like when you look at you fallow like land. Mass 696 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: is one thing, but depth is a real big. 697 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: Part of it. 698 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: That's an excellent point. Yes, there's so many options in 699 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: so many places that the blueback can viably be And 700 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: obviously what's going to drive the location of the blue 701 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 2: back is the same thing really that's going to drive 702 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: the location of the bass, but at a different level. 703 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: The blueback are going to be one where they can 704 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: have oxygen, that's primary focus for any specie of fish, bait, fish, whatever. Second, 705 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: where they can have food, right, so oxygen content so 706 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: they can breathe, food, so they can sustain. Where can 707 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: I breathe and then where can I eat? So that's 708 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: going to change dramatically again based on conditions in the 709 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: water and weather conditions, et cetera. 710 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 3: So it's going to make a big impact. 711 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: Make sure you follow and like lines and times. A 712 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: new Outdoorsman podcast on iHeartRadio.