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Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns yesterday thirty one to twenty seven in
Speaker 2: the final, the Jaguars are still in the lead in
Speaker 2: the AFC South. All the other teams chasing them lost yesterday,
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Speaker 2: Amjaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube Hall of Famer Tony Vaselli
Speaker 2: with us as always, Jags analyst Jeff Loghman stepping in.
Speaker 2: It's a home game for both of you, guys, and
Speaker 2: good afternoon, Tony doing good.
Speaker 3: No PD today, he's uh traveling. Well. We might have
Speaker 3: him on the phone in the second hour. Just yeah, No,
Speaker 3: I mean word is he was afraid to come in
Speaker 3: because you know, he doesn't like dissecting watses very much.
Speaker 3: I think that he likes that more than wins.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: I'm being sarcastic JP. This is he was. He is
Speaker 3: very sad that he can't be here with us today
Speaker 3: because he he enjoys pointing out all the problems. Well, logs,
Speaker 3: there were a lot of problems. That's the issue.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I'll say this.
Speaker 2: The last two weeks they've lost by a combined seven points. However,
Speaker 2: they've lost and it just feels a little uneasy.
Speaker 3: This guy is falling, is it.
Speaker 2: I can tell you there's a lot of things not
Speaker 2: to be happy about, but I think the majority of
Speaker 2: them are fixable. But challenging to fix, I think is
Speaker 2: a good way to put it. That's a AM.
Speaker 3: I am I being kind? No, I mean the way
Speaker 3: I would say it is.
Speaker 2: Because I don't want to come off as being a
Speaker 2: guy that's just wearing the teal colored glasses here.
Speaker 3: That's Tony we call a happy hour. The The reality
Speaker 3: is this, You're not gonna do anything even if you
Speaker 3: make the playoffs if you don't play better. And I
Speaker 3: think some of it is absolutely fixable, and some of
Speaker 3: it is reared its ugly head because of injuries and
Speaker 3: you know, he scratching things and we'll go through the
Speaker 3: you know, the misd assignments, the turnovers, everything else. I mean,
Speaker 3: so this team has to start from ground zero of like,
Speaker 3: let's start the game by not beating ourselves. We're not
Speaker 3: good enough. And really no team in the NFL is
Speaker 3: good enough where you beat yourself. And this team the
Speaker 3: last two weeks has beat itself with turnovers, with missed
Speaker 3: dessignments and just poor play. So you and I think
Speaker 3: that's what Jeff's talking about. That is that fixable. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: those are all fixable things. I mean, if they fix
Speaker 3: like half of them, they win. Sure, you think, I mean,
Speaker 3: who knows, but go in with the mindset no good
Speaker 3: team in the history of this league consistently wins. When
Speaker 3: you beat yourself, when you have stupid penalties, stupid mistakes,
Speaker 3: misd assignments are killing this lea killing this team. We're
Speaker 3: gonna leading to some of the leading to some of
Speaker 3: the turnovers, frankly, but then you go back. I also
Speaker 3: think like we are a We're a good team. I
Speaker 3: mean that. I said that two weeks ago after we
Speaker 3: beat Houston. Going into these two games, I feel like
Speaker 3: we're a good team. I feel like we can compete
Speaker 3: with anyone in the AFC. That I have not changed
Speaker 3: my thoughts there at all. Now it's a bigger challenge
Speaker 3: because of the injuries we've we've had. However, I also
Speaker 3: think sometimes when you win and the teams we were
Speaker 3: playing and guys were making plays and the ball was
Speaker 3: bouncing airways at times, but they were playing good football,
Speaker 3: it also causes you to overlook some systemic issues. And
Speaker 3: I think this team has some systemic issues that's gonna
Speaker 3: that's gonna be a challenge for them to win in January,
Speaker 3: and that is controlling the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and trending in the wrong direction in some key
Speaker 2: areas well.
Speaker 3: Defensively, they're in the wrong direction. I think they had
Speaker 3: kind of been what they are all year up front
Speaker 3: on offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's fair, but here but here's here's the issue.
Speaker 2: Your backs are now hurt, and then right with okay,
Speaker 2: the the the issues up front still being there, it
Speaker 2: makes it look even worse. And now also your quarterback's hurt.
Speaker 2: You lost a wide receiver and your best wide receiver,
Speaker 2: so now you've got to lean into other areas. And
Speaker 2: the problem is right now this team is having a
Speaker 2: hard time leaning on those other areas. And defensively, they're
Speaker 2: not playing the way that they did earlier in the
Speaker 2: year to where they were jam up against the run
Speaker 2: and then finding a way to get it done against
Speaker 2: the pass, and one of the best teams in the
Speaker 2: league at one point on third down defense, and right
Speaker 2: now they're not stopping and running. The last time I
Speaker 2: checked Joe Flacco and Jake Browning, we're not exactly up
Speaker 2: rush alan quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: They're the backups.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the fourth quarterback of the year for
Speaker 2: the Browns and Flacco was on the couch three weeks
Speaker 2: ago watching football at his mom's house.
Speaker 3: So literally, that part of it for me is very concerning. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean I think, I mean, this is game seven.
Speaker 3: I believe that we have averaged under four yards and
Speaker 3: carry on the ground offensively. And here's what happens when
Speaker 3: that becomes a trend.
Speaker 2: It was the lowest total output of the season, by
Speaker 2: the way, fifty eight yards rushing.
Speaker 3: And if you take away Trevor Lawrence's three rushes for
Speaker 3: eleven yards, the backs average seven you know, two point
Speaker 3: seven five, two point seven six yards per carry. And
Speaker 3: what you're seeing, which is super concerning, is I think
Speaker 3: there's a complete lack of faith to run the ball
Speaker 3: between the tackles from our play callers, I mean press
Speaker 3: Taylor and then obviously Doug's part of that as well.
Speaker 3: You look at everything we do it it has to
Speaker 3: be you know, some kind of pin and pole play,
Speaker 3: get outside misdirection with the wham, but nothing we don't
Speaker 3: line up and run downhill. And what that is now
Speaker 3: doing is influencing how we called the game. And we
Speaker 3: had fifty pass attempts, only seventeen called running plays. We
Speaker 3: had fifty three call play passing places because Trevor scramble
Speaker 3: three times with a quarterback with a high ankle, spring
Speaker 3: with a quarterback with the hikeel Sprain and how many
Speaker 3: times was he sacked? Four times? So actually, I'm sorry
Speaker 3: we called fifty seven pass plays. That's not ideal. We
Speaker 3: called seventeen run plays. It was third in less than
Speaker 3: a yard and we're an empty shotgun.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: Everyone could say press Taylor this, Press Taylor that, and
Speaker 3: I said it this morning. I'll say it again now.
Speaker 3: As an offensive lineman, you have to earn the right
Speaker 3: and build confidence in your play caller that they can
Speaker 3: call the ball, call the run, and you can go
Speaker 3: get a yard. And somebody tell me and JP, you
Speaker 3: know this, there's not a bigger apologist for this offense
Speaker 3: line than me, and I always will back those guys.
Speaker 3: But reality's reality, Jeff. When you can't get a yard
Speaker 3: in the NFL and you can, I watch how Press
Speaker 3: is calling plays. Now, tell me how many things we
Speaker 3: call between the tackles downhill, wind up and run inside
Speaker 3: outside zone, or run power and just go downhill. We
Speaker 3: don't even try it.
Speaker 2: Third tried it. It goes backwards, you know. And give
Speaker 2: you a perfect example of there was one run play
Speaker 2: that really stuck out in my mind. Yes, Antonio will
Speaker 2: probably remember this one very well, and that Shatley at
Speaker 2: left guard is trying to pull.
Speaker 3: First play of the second No, yeah, I think it's
Speaker 3: the first play of.
Speaker 2: The second half, okay, And so you're trying to get
Speaker 2: Shatley front side, get an extra blocker over there to
Speaker 2: the front side, and all of a sudden, you got
Speaker 2: a defensive tackle, which look, Jim Schwartz's defenses, they're taught
Speaker 2: to get up the field.
Speaker 3: That's what they do. And you know that, okay, you
Speaker 3: know that there's.
Speaker 2: Penetration and to to the point where he literally the
Speaker 2: penetrator knocks Fortner into Shatlee and then that's the that's
Speaker 2: the minus five or minus six yard game that ETN had.
Speaker 2: And it's like, how can you run the ball if
Speaker 2: you're gonna have that kind of battle result at the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, I mean, you just you got to
Speaker 2: be better than that. And if you're not going to
Speaker 2: be better than that, then you go the route of
Speaker 2: what I think Press Taylor is doing right now, which
Speaker 2: is just saying not even going to try to run it,
Speaker 2: We're just gonna go ahead and throw it.
Speaker 3: Let's spread it out and throw it down the field.
Speaker 3: But that's problematic. Oh yeah, that is the when I
Speaker 3: say systemic problems, I think we overlook because when you're winning.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying the coaches do. I think they've I mean,
Speaker 3: but it's us covering the game. And you know, Jeff
Speaker 3: and I probably less because we watch the tape and
Speaker 3: talk about it after each game. But just like as
Speaker 3: a fan or a casual observer, even covering the team,
Speaker 3: when you're winning. You know, I say it all the time.
Speaker 3: Winning is like the great gravy at Thanksgiving. It can
Speaker 3: take a dry piece of turkey and make it really
Speaker 3: dang good if you throw a little stuffing of mass
Speaker 3: Medale's around it. And winning is that gravy. It makes
Speaker 3: everything better. But in a gravy, you can't figure out
Speaker 3: what's underneath of it. That's that's exact. Great. But but
Speaker 3: now you look at you're in December, it gets cold,
Speaker 3: it gets harder. You're fighting for playoff. I mean, we
Speaker 3: are playing a team yesterday that's in the playoff race,
Speaker 3: fighting for their lives too, and now you're gonna get in.
Speaker 3: I believe this team will still win the division. I
Speaker 3: still think they're the best team in the division. So
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a home playoff game. But if you
Speaker 3: can't run the ball in the playoffs or stop the run,
Speaker 3: it is really hard to advance.
Speaker 2: Let's we'll get back to the offense and just a
Speaker 2: little bit in Trevor Lawrence's performance. Well, let's touch on
Speaker 2: that defense again. And yeah, it doesn't slow down this
Speaker 2: week with the Ravens coming to town and the best
Speaker 2: rushing offense in the National Football League led by the
Speaker 2: quarterback a dual threat in Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3: Well, first of.
Speaker 2: All, the Jaguars haven't done a very good job lately
Speaker 2: against the run. And then you add in the communication issues.
Speaker 2: I mean, you had three explosive plays in that ball
Speaker 2: came yesterday that I mean, we're like that when you
Speaker 2: watch the plate went, who's supposed to cover that guy?
Speaker 3: And that's a problem.
Speaker 2: And from the Najoku first third and one, which, oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, third and one, Cleveland Browns lined up
Speaker 2: to run the ball, okay, and you're taking it seriously,
Speaker 2: and then he hit a big play, right, That's kind
Speaker 2: of what you want your offense to be able to do. Okay,
Speaker 2: But you can't do that because nobody's gonna line up
Speaker 2: and literally stack the box and then play you like
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns or the Jaguars played the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 2: and and and we'll get into all who was responsible.
Speaker 2: But I mean those three big plays, you know, two
Speaker 2: plays in Najoku and then uh, what was the other
Speaker 2: one to uh the wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Eighteen the Tillman, Yeah, Tennessee till me.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it was Tillman. Tillman was nineteen.
Speaker 2: I think it was a different guy rarely used, like
Speaker 2: third team wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bell hit sorry, And so like wait a minute,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know.
Speaker 2: It's pretty easy to solve some of these problems. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just do your job. And that's kind of been
Speaker 2: an issue that's popped up a little bit and then
Speaker 2: they solved it and then now it's rearing its head again.
Speaker 3: Well it's week fifteen like issues. And I understand that.
Speaker 2: And you know, just like last week against the Cincinnati
Speaker 2: Bengals with Jamar Chase. Okay, first of all, you didn't
Speaker 2: have the right personnel on the field, and then you
Speaker 2: were trying to figure out what do we do with
Speaker 2: the wrong personnel and.
Speaker 3: All the time out probably idea I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, And so Cisco's trying to get somebody lined up
Speaker 2: on a wide receiver on the far side of the field,
Speaker 2: which you know, you'd like to have Cisco as a
Speaker 2: deep middle player to maybe save a touchdown there to
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase once Jamar Chase got past Tyson Campbell, but
Speaker 2: it didn't happen. And so those are the things that
Speaker 2: as a defense, you know, because here's the thing. The
Speaker 2: Jaguars offense has a set of objectives, okay, and it's
Speaker 2: called their offensive command. Number one, protect the ball. Number
Speaker 2: two's create explosives. Number three is be great situational offense.
Speaker 2: So as a defense, you're trying to prevent all of that. Okay,
Speaker 2: well take the ball away. Okay, you did that. Check
Speaker 2: number two, Uh, stop explosives.
Speaker 3: Didn't do that?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, number three, be a great situational d didn't
Speaker 2: accomplish that, you know. So I'm this defense and this offense.
Speaker 2: They've got to change the direction that they're going because
Speaker 2: last year at this time they were ascending and right
Speaker 2: now I think they're floundering a little.
Speaker 3: Bit plenty ahead.
Speaker 2: We'll come back in a moment and get back to
Speaker 2: the offensive performance. And Tony, you're gonna start naming names.
Speaker 2: I am you are okay, can't wait for that.
Speaker 3: We're naming names.
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Speaker 4: They're just too many of these communications.
Speaker 6: You know, we've been playing, we've been playing together for
Speaker 6: a while now, and that's on us, and we've got
Speaker 6: to take some accountability, you know, for cleaning that up.
Speaker 4: And that's just stuff that can't happen, you know, for
Speaker 4: both of us.
Speaker 6: You know, we've got to be on the same page.
Speaker 6: And there it seemed like all those plays that we
Speaker 6: weren't you know, some weeks you're able to.
Speaker 4: Get away with it and it doesn't bite you.
Speaker 6: It seemed like this week they all did turned into
Speaker 6: turnovers or or sacks or bad plays or whatever, you know,
Speaker 6: So we gotta we all got to kind of take
Speaker 6: accountability and look in the mirror and you know there's
Speaker 6: stuff that you know, I didn't do well today. And
Speaker 6: then just in general, we all have to communicate better.
Speaker 6: We have to be on the same page. We have
Speaker 6: to play together and just do the little things.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I think we're over the loo in some of.
Speaker 6: The details, and I think that's where some of the
Speaker 6: stuff's going off.
Speaker 2: That is the quarterback Trevor Lawrence after the game yesterday
Speaker 2: in Cleveland, a Jaguars loss thirty one, twenty seven and
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Speaker 2: at Mister Chubby's Wings and Panavitra Beach. We are here
Speaker 2: until six o'clock rehashing because we must. A Jaguars loss
Speaker 2: to Cleveland. Miscommunications, Trever Lawrence talking about I mean, what
Speaker 2: are we talking about?
Speaker 4: Me?
Speaker 3: Let me come on. There's another way to say that.
Speaker 3: I think that Trevor, and I'm not saying he's without
Speaker 3: blemish or without sin. I don't mean ultimately, I watch
Speaker 3: the tape and I have theories and I can make
Speaker 3: some assumption. Well, we love to hear your series, but
Speaker 3: I don't think it's miscommunication. I think it's called a
Speaker 3: misdassignment or a mental error.
Speaker 2: I mean that's what at least that's what we used
Speaker 2: to call them.
Speaker 3: Somebody screwed up. And it is clear on certain situations
Speaker 3: that Trevor thinks someone's in a zag and they zig
Speaker 3: look just to keep it as simple as possible, like
Speaker 3: perfect the interception in the red zone, by the way,
Speaker 3: it's I believe it's first in tent on that play
Speaker 3: as well, if I'm not mistaken. It's a Calvin's running
Speaker 3: arounte and Trevor I think, believes he's gonna sit it
Speaker 3: down at twelve yards and Calvin breaks it off like
Speaker 3: a slant by the way, into covering almost like a
Speaker 3: post round, like a skinny.
Speaker 2: Post but a very nonchalant doesn't even get his head
Speaker 2: back post route.
Speaker 3: But and it's in the coverage. This is why I'm
Speaker 3: pretty positive that it was the wrong route and Trevor's
Speaker 3: thrown on time, He's thrown to a spot and the
Speaker 3: guy's not there.
Speaker 2: Much like, let's go back real quick before we go
Speaker 2: to the next play from yesterday. You go back to
Speaker 2: the Bengals game when Trevor got stepped on.
Speaker 3: That's right, Parker Washington.
Speaker 2: He was expecting Parker Washington to do something and he
Speaker 2: was unloading the ball and then had to stop it
Speaker 2: because Parker Washington was not decisive in what was being
Speaker 2: asked of him.
Speaker 3: Okay, now we're back to yesterday. Yeah, I mean those
Speaker 3: are example. I mean, on this one, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a post. I'm not sure what it's
Speaker 3: first down and ten again, I believe, and I'm not
Speaker 3: sure why Trevor even throws it. I think he believes
Speaker 3: the backside safety can't get there. He throws it like
Speaker 3: it's going to be a skinny post and work vertical.
Speaker 3: Zay breaks it more of a traditional post kind of
Speaker 3: breaks it more towards the middle of the field, and
Speaker 3: it leads to an interception. I think that one might
Speaker 3: be on Trevor. Yeah, that's why I'm saying, I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's Trevor back. I had to guess. Yeah,
Speaker 3: me too, So I have no idea, but just I mean,
Speaker 3: and you can even see you see it at times,
Speaker 3: and I've noticed it the last couple of weeks where
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes we see Trevor and maybe it is
Speaker 3: Trevor sometimes that the ball is just way off target. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I believe a number of those times is the depth
Speaker 3: of the route is not correct because Trevor's throwing to
Speaker 3: a spot on timing based on depth of route, like
Speaker 3: each of these routes have like it's a twelve yard out,
Speaker 3: it's an eighteen yard comeback. Well, if you all of
Speaker 3: a sudden take that eighteen yard comeback and shorten it
Speaker 3: at fifteen, you've changed the timing. Or if you take
Speaker 3: a twelve yard out and you run it at nine yards,
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks throwing to a twelve yard out, I mean,
Speaker 3: that's just simple football.
Speaker 2: It's you got to be precise, that's right, and you've
Speaker 2: got to be consistent and you got to be dependable
Speaker 2: to be able to function in an NFL offense. So
Speaker 2: let me go to the other interception, which was down
Speaker 2: the sideline. Okay, Trevor's got pressure Okay, coming up the middle,
Speaker 2: he's got to get rid of the ball.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So if you guys are playing quarterback and you know
Speaker 2: that pressure's coming, your first thought is I've got to
Speaker 2: get rid of this ball.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, So you're gonna really quick process in your
Speaker 2: mind where you need to get rid of the ball.
Speaker 2: At more than likely, you guys are probably gonna decide
Speaker 2: to throw it somewhere where maybe one of your guys
Speaker 2: has got a really good chance of beating the defender
Speaker 2: one on one to make a play.
Speaker 3: Correct, all you can go further, Jeff, not only I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go. I'm gonna go somewhere where at worst I
Speaker 3: got a fifty to fifty ball, fifty fifty ball against where,
Speaker 3: And by then then I'm gonna figure out who's my
Speaker 3: best guy should be? My best guy should be fifty
Speaker 3: fifty ball should be. And I'm going there because I
Speaker 3: got pressure, I know I got man coverage. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go take a shot.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, here's the play. Trevor gets the ball
Speaker 2: and here comes pressure the middle. He knows that Calvin
Speaker 2: Ridley is out on the right side, and he's got
Speaker 2: single coverage and he's gonna launch it. Okay, Now let's
Speaker 2: focus in on Calvin Drought. Calvin comes off the line
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, runs vertical, bends it to the outside to
Speaker 2: go vertical once again, but the defender.
Speaker 3: Stays on top. Okay, that's fine, but you still have
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, he takes it from out of fifth gear
Speaker 2: and puts it into fourth gear or third gear, even
Speaker 2: slows down a little bit.
Speaker 3: Well, the ball's on the way.
Speaker 2: And then once he realizes the ball is on the way,
Speaker 2: now he's trying to catch back up again. Well, the
Speaker 2: defender's on top and makes an easy interception. If he
Speaker 2: had just kept running, in my opinion, he would have
Speaker 2: at the least made it tough for the defender to
Speaker 2: make an interception and at best maybe he makes a
Speaker 2: play or maybe he get pass interference yeah, or gets
Speaker 2: a flag.
Speaker 3: Right finish the play.
Speaker 2: And my point is is that this year a lot
Speaker 2: of people have asked the question about about then I'm
Speaker 2: not just focusing on one guy because it's across the board,
Speaker 2: not across the board, but it's it's you got issues
Speaker 2: here and there. But Calvin Ridley needs to be more
Speaker 2: dependable and more reliable and more consistent. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're going to be that guy, that's what you've got
Speaker 2: to be. And I've noticed over the last couple of
Speaker 2: weeks that they're trying to not this past game, but
Speaker 2: in weeks prior, they were really trying to, I think,
Speaker 2: keep him engaged and involved with the reverses and such,
Speaker 2: to keep his you know, keep them involved in the game,
Speaker 2: because I mean there was games where he just didn't
Speaker 2: have a lot of targets, and I think part of
Speaker 2: the reason why you're not going to target a guy
Speaker 2: if you can't depend on them. This game, he had
Speaker 2: thirteen targets, four catches, a Jones fourteen targets, five catches.
Speaker 2: That's twenty seven targets only nine receptions between your two
Speaker 2: top guys, which is a terrible catch percentage. I mean,
Speaker 2: let's look at Evan.
Speaker 3: Ingram are they are they our top guys?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, receiver wise, Ingram's the guy I think,
Speaker 2: I mean the offense. I mean this real quick, Evan okay,
Speaker 2: twelve targets, eleven receptions. Okay, And I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: that's the kind of number that you expect out of
Speaker 2: your top receivers every week. But I mean, if you
Speaker 2: look at the top receivers in the league, their catch
Speaker 2: percentage is much higher, oh yeah, than where it's at
Speaker 2: for the Jaguars wide receiver. And that has to be better.
Speaker 2: And it's exactly what Trevor's talking about. Trevor's talking about dependability,
Speaker 2: you know, and we've got to be accountable. And look,
Speaker 2: he's trying to own some of the responsibility himself and
Speaker 2: making sure that he's deflecting it and owning some.
Speaker 3: Of it himself.
Speaker 2: But here's the problem when your quarterback starts talking about
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 3: It's been going on for a little while, yeah, and
Speaker 3: it's a problem.
Speaker 2: We remember early in the season when Ridley had the
Speaker 2: drop and then the next drive had a false start,
Speaker 2: and then he later in the game had another drop
Speaker 2: and had a second false start, and it just kind
Speaker 2: of snowballed for him in that game alone. You know,
Speaker 2: in a game like this, same idea. Right on the
Speaker 2: Parker Washington touchdown, on the other side of the play,
Speaker 2: it looked like like looking at the referee on.
Speaker 3: The side, I think he was arguing with the referee
Speaker 3: because if if you go back to that play, that
Speaker 3: was the play that the Uhmarius, None, that's Notarius Darius Smith,
Speaker 3: thank you. Zadarius Smith is off sides because he thinks
Speaker 3: we're we've moved. He's standing in the neutral zone and
Speaker 3: somehow the official doesn't call the fight.
Speaker 2: Which is terrible because he's this is worse than Tony.
Speaker 3: He's standing in the neutral zone. Yes, and and I
Speaker 3: think Darius Tony is off side. This is at least
Speaker 3: is way better. This is a much yes, much more obvious.
Speaker 3: And I think Calvin, which I'm not saying he should be,
Speaker 3: he should just go run, go run the it's a
Speaker 3: free play if you whatever is I think it's the
Speaker 3: same play. He's arguing with the official.
Speaker 2: Why the officials not going to that's what the job
Speaker 2: just decription is of a coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot going on, I mean, but let's
Speaker 3: go back to I mean, how do they fix it?
Speaker 2: By the way, real quick, On that play, Trevor didn't
Speaker 2: throw to the right guy but turned out all right,
Speaker 2: I mean, very lucky, very lucky because that ball should
Speaker 2: have been intercepted. But Evan Ingram was the open guy.
Speaker 2: He literally leaks out late to the right and and
Speaker 2: it's it's a walk in touchdown and an easy throw
Speaker 2: for Trevor.
Speaker 3: He Trevor missed that one. Well, he didn't want Evan
Speaker 3: to have three touchdowns.
Speaker 2: On Yeah, that's probably spread. Hey, how do they figure
Speaker 2: this out though? This communication issue? Is it too late
Speaker 2: in this week fifteen? Again, like, well, you know there's
Speaker 2: four big games left.
Speaker 3: Well, we've talked about this in the past. I mean,
Speaker 3: you have there's two solutions. Either players have, I mean,
Speaker 3: and both can be you can do both at the
Speaker 3: same time. Number One, it's your job. Know the playbook,
Speaker 3: be accountable to your teammates and to the to the
Speaker 3: organization you're getting paid to play for football. Know what
Speaker 3: you are supposed to do. If you don't understand and ask,
Speaker 3: it's just simple work, study, film, practice, repeat. It's not
Speaker 3: there's no secret formula. Like these teams who are on
Speaker 3: the same page, they do something different. So it starts
Speaker 3: with player of accountability, Trevor, all the receivers, offensive line,
Speaker 3: player accountability. Know your job and do your job. Secondly,
Speaker 3: I think it's the job of the coaching staff. I
Speaker 3: think you've got to look at say are we asking
Speaker 3: too much? Because at the end of the day, your
Speaker 3: job as a coach to put your players in a
Speaker 3: position to succeed and only and give them what they
Speaker 3: can handle. And I'll say the same thing on defense.
Speaker 3: If you're having busts every game where, guys, that's not fair.
Speaker 3: Not every game, but if you're having busts that are
Speaker 3: costing you games, either you have guys who aren't studying,
Speaker 3: preparing and are ready, or you're giving them too much
Speaker 3: and you have to simple fy it so guys can
Speaker 3: play fast. And I think so I think if I'm
Speaker 3: you know, if you're pressed tailor and you look at
Speaker 3: the game plan, do you take a step back and say, Okay,
Speaker 3: what are we going to put in? Because obviously we
Speaker 3: can't handle. And at the same time, I mean, this
Speaker 3: is a very simple relationship the players. You have to
Speaker 3: earn the confidence and the trust of the coaching staff. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's your job, and so they need to go And
Speaker 3: Trevor said it best look in the mirror, have an
Speaker 3: honest assessment, saying getting am I doing everything I need
Speaker 3: to to be prepared for Sunday? And am I doing
Speaker 3: my job on Sunday? And if not, you need to
Speaker 3: change those things.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple solutions from a coaching standpoint. Okay,
Speaker 2: once you look at it and you say, okay, are
Speaker 2: we asking too much? And if the answer is no, okay,
Speaker 2: then you go to the player and see if you
Speaker 2: can fix it. And then if all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you can't fix it, then you go to another player
Speaker 2: to try to fix it. I mean, it's just how
Speaker 2: it works. I mean it's you know, you got to
Speaker 2: be able to have production to pendability, availability, reliability, accountability, production.
Speaker 3: A lot of abilities. That's a long list of abilities. Well,
Speaker 3: and you know, when you look at the offense, it's
Speaker 3: a it's an interesting dilemma they have because they're beat
Speaker 3: up up front. I mean we're on our fourth left tackle.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe you know, I know, there's the way
Speaker 3: it sounds like that he was cleared. Yeah, there's no
Speaker 3: structural damage that sounds like. And in the I guess
Speaker 3: there's some there's a possibility they might get Walker a
Speaker 3: little bit, so that would that's a good start. I mean,
Speaker 3: you need you always want your best players out there.
Speaker 3: But you look at the trend. We're on six to
Speaker 3: seven whatever games it is, eight games where we can't
Speaker 3: you know, we're having a hard time rushing at the
Speaker 3: length of the football. I don't think the formula for
Speaker 3: this team is to have fifty seven pass plays in
Speaker 3: seventeen rushes. That's not sustainable. So now you have to
Speaker 3: think about we're not going to find brand new personnel.
Speaker 3: I mean Louke Luke Fortner is a second year young
Speaker 3: player who is not playing physical. He does not move people.
Speaker 3: He's a position blocker. That's a problem if you want
Speaker 3: to run downhill. Brandon Sheriffs has had all kinds of
Speaker 3: lower body angers and angles at this point of his career.
Speaker 3: He is not a smash mouth, hand in the ground,
Speaker 3: grind it, move you off the ball. He's very athletic,
Speaker 3: he's very smart. He gets like he's a good stable force.
Speaker 3: But that's just and so I think if you're press,
Speaker 3: you know that you're not changing that unless you're willing
Speaker 3: to change personnel. If those if that's your center and
Speaker 3: that's your right guard. Got a rookie right tackle who's
Speaker 3: very athletic, good player. I didn't think he was his
Speaker 3: best on Sunday. I've seen him play much better coming in,
Speaker 3: but he's a solid player. You got questions that left guard.
Speaker 3: Shatley's a guy who's been around and you got huge
Speaker 3: questions at left tackle because Blake Canser is your fourth guy.
Speaker 3: And so you get to step back and say, we're
Speaker 3: going into a game this week against If you think
Speaker 3: Cleveland was physical, Baltimore's front seven is two X is physical.
Speaker 2: I saw a number today real quick, the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 2: I think their point differential this year is like plus
Speaker 2: two eighty and the second place team and point differential
Speaker 2: are the Ravens are like plus one sixty five point differential. Boy, gad,
Speaker 2: that's unbelievable good I mean for I mean both numbers.
Speaker 2: I mean the San Francisco one is just maybe I'm
Speaker 2: a little high on that, but they're clearly that is crazy.
Speaker 2: Maybe you can confirm that, JP, but I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: that's what the numbers were of. And I saw that,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh, because the first
Speaker 2: one that I saw was the forty nine Ers. And
Speaker 2: then I said, all right, well let's see who would
Speaker 2: be in second place. San franc at won seventy five
Speaker 2: net points and Dallas at one eighty eight now by
Speaker 2: the way, plus yeah overall net.
Speaker 3: Point after blowing them out last night.
Speaker 2: After Baltimore, Baltimore's yeah, right, you're you're in the right neighbors.
Speaker 2: But your point is the Jaguars are twenty two and
Speaker 2: you're But your.
Speaker 3: Point is you're Forget about the point, because I think
Speaker 3: it's all valid points. My biggest concern, based on how
Speaker 3: we are playing football right now and watching how at
Speaker 3: least the field from the sense of watching tape and
Speaker 3: watching it live, that Press feels like he has to
Speaker 3: call the game right now, that he can't run the
Speaker 3: ball and play a physical game offensively. It's not who
Speaker 3: they are, well you were now facing. I think this
Speaker 3: is a much better defense. I know Cleveland's numbers I
Speaker 3: think are a little bit better. As far as yards
Speaker 3: given up per game, there were number one in Baltimores
Speaker 3: number two. I think Baltimore's better because they're better. I mean,
Speaker 3: they don't have Miles Garrett, but they have about three
Speaker 3: or four guys who can rush the passer and get
Speaker 3: after it. And this is a physical game. So it
Speaker 3: would be very interesting how do you neutralize that defensive
Speaker 3: front that you know is in me physical when that
Speaker 3: really isn't you're calling card right now as a team.
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Speaker 3: So a couple of things JP, because we have not
Speaker 3: done the show since before the Bengals game a week before,
Speaker 3: because we obviously missed Monday Night. It's good, it's while
Speaker 3: it's been a while. There's a lot of noise chatter
Speaker 3: going on that frankly, you are the cause of this
Speaker 3: two games mean two game losing streaks. Yeah, because uh,
Speaker 3: you decided to jump in prior to the Bengals game,
Speaker 3: where Pete and I had a very good thing going.
Speaker 3: We've been calling wins, locking them, double locking them, and
Speaker 3: we've been right every time. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: as we're leaving and going out the Monday, the week
Speaker 3: prior to the Bengals game, you scream out, triple lock. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and ever since the triple lock, we have not won
Speaker 3: a game. It's true. However, I did call the Packers.
Speaker 2: No one cares, No one cares. It was what it
Speaker 2: helped us out if we if we keep losing, that's
Speaker 2: not gonna matter. No, but I did call out, so
Speaker 2: we need to figure out. Well, I'm gonna figure this out.
Speaker 2: For JP, I will never lock anything again. Good ever, good,
Speaker 2: I'm off the locks. It was a one and done.
Speaker 2: I piled on a.
Speaker 3: Little too much. It was a flag.
Speaker 2: It was yeah, it was it was a yeah. I
Speaker 2: would have been flagged and probably ejected.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was. So I just want to make sure
Speaker 3: that kind of a bandwagon move. No, it's fair. Triple lock.
Speaker 3: And Jeff, you know like you do exactly and you
Speaker 3: know when you feel it in the moment, like that
Speaker 3: was a bad idea, it's immediately what you said. I
Speaker 3: immediately told him wh he said. I said that was bad.
Speaker 3: It's a bad idea. I don't like you doing that.
Speaker 3: And JP, you need to learn. Yeah, well I'm learning.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go quadruple.
Speaker 2: I had to watch those last two games to Tony,
Speaker 2: I'm learning, don't worry my.
Speaker 3: Good what so we just served man? Yeah, he tell
Speaker 3: you what I mean.
Speaker 2: Those guys are out there a lot because there's injuries
Speaker 2: in the second area now right. But Campbell Herndon Cisco
Speaker 2: left the game yesterday.
Speaker 3: Jeff, because remind me he was a safety in college,
Speaker 3: wasn't he?
Speaker 2: Yes, he was, well, he played safety and nickel and
Speaker 2: then in this game he played nickel.
Speaker 3: Yeah I knew this, Yeah, he played nickel. And I
Speaker 3: mean it's a small sample size. We saw him in
Speaker 3: camp and we see him a little bit in the
Speaker 3: regular season. But boy, I like, I like what I
Speaker 3: was telling you right now. I mean, I said, training
Speaker 3: camp and he has the injury though that slowed him down.
Speaker 3: This guy's stuck.
Speaker 2: He has great feet, his good speed, he's physical, Like
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, not bad.
Speaker 3: Now, it's a small sample size. You gotta And I'd
Speaker 3: still at this point rather have Trey Herndon out there
Speaker 3: because Trey Herndon is in the right spot right time.
Speaker 3: He might be limited and man coverage it certain in
Speaker 3: certain matchups because but he is physical in the run game.
Speaker 2: You're starting safety next year. Probably he's a great blitzer.
Speaker 2: You're starting safeties next year. And Johnson, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: and and here's the other thing that he can do.
Speaker 2: I mean, he reminds me a lot of Kyle Hamilton,
Speaker 2: you know, which is the safety for the Ravens who
Speaker 2: got dinged up I think yesterday. And he's got the
Speaker 2: length and he plays Nickel, and he's you know, most
Speaker 2: people are. I remember the first time I watched Kyle
Speaker 2: Hamilton on film and I was like, there's no way
Speaker 2: that a guy that's got the length like him can
Speaker 2: play Nickel in the NFL, because that's what he was
Speaker 2: doing a little bit of in college at Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden he gets to the
Speaker 2: NFL and Nickel I'm talking like really good at him,
Speaker 2: and I was like, holy cow, I mean, he's not
Speaker 2: many guys that have a lot of length can have
Speaker 2: the quickness to be able to play Nickel to cover
Speaker 2: a guy like a Christian Kurt and Antonio Johnson. I'm tony, folks,
Speaker 2: this guy is a really, really good acquisition and he's
Speaker 2: got a very bright future. Jaguars defense this week against
Speaker 2: this Ravens offense, Lamar Jackson is the leading rusher by yardage.
Speaker 2: Edwards punches it in for a touchdown. He got a
Speaker 2: long stretch of like nine of his ten touchdowns were
Speaker 2: in a five game stretch. Recently he had he's been
Speaker 2: in the end zone.
Speaker 3: The rookiees the rookie is a flowers. Flowers. They got
Speaker 3: a few different but they're missing their best weapon in
Speaker 3: the passing game, and that's Mark Andrews. He's if you
Speaker 3: look it back over the last several years, it dropped tackle.
Speaker 3: He is the He's this, He's the the comfort like
Speaker 3: the little baby blanket, the binkie.
Speaker 2: For security blanket, security blank that's what what? What was
Speaker 2: just as blanky blanket?
Speaker 3: Right? Well, like I had, like like my kids, like
Speaker 3: your booby or your bubby or whatever you call it.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, excuse me, Bobby. The world is going on,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I think you actually referred to a part of
Speaker 2: the female anatomy. There's something wrong with you, kay on
Speaker 2: this show. I mean I'm not usually here on Mondays?
Speaker 2: Is that what you guys do? Some different show on Monday, Jeff,
Speaker 2: men have.
Speaker 3: That body part as well, So like, don't be weird.
Speaker 3: My point is Mark Andrews is the guy that when
Speaker 3: it breaks down or they needed big plays or a
Speaker 3: big first down, he was the guy that Lamar went to.
Speaker 3: So they're not as good as they were early in
Speaker 3: the season offensively in my opinion, without Mark Andrews. But
Speaker 3: they still have a bunch of weapons, and they've changed
Speaker 3: their offense. This is not the old veer offense that
Speaker 3: Lamar ran for the first what five or six seven
Speaker 3: years of his career. I mean they is, they drop
Speaker 3: they drop back, they throw it around, and he still
Speaker 3: has the ability obviously to get out of the pocket
Speaker 3: and kill you with his legs. It's a good it's
Speaker 3: a good group.
Speaker 2: And and the biggest change for the big leap in
Speaker 2: offense and Lamar Jackson's performance is their new offensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: Todd Monkinah who is doing a tremendous job.
Speaker 3: And of course, look, Lamar Jackson just got a new.
Speaker 2: Contract, played well too, and and he he's really taken
Speaker 2: ownership with the offense. And Monkin has really made him
Speaker 2: take owners I don't say made him, but help get
Speaker 2: him to take ownership of the offense. And I mean
Speaker 2: when you listen to Lamar Jackson now talk at the
Speaker 2: podium and I watched a couple of his interviews earlier today.
Speaker 2: It's impressive. I mean, he's very aware, much more than
Speaker 2: he was in the past. And you can tell, I
Speaker 2: mean it's he's instead of talking like you know, he's
Speaker 2: in undergraduate school. You can tell that he's up his
Speaker 2: language and quarterback to graduate school or you know, working
Speaker 2: on his doctorate or whatever.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's definitely taking a big step.
Speaker 3: Well, that was the big question, you know, in Greg
Speaker 3: Roman's old offense. The reason you heard a lot of
Speaker 3: people say they were in this offense because Lamar can't
Speaker 3: be a traditional drop that guy. He can't operate that way.
Speaker 3: And Todd Munkins come in and said, well, you're wrong,
Speaker 3: and Lamar is saying you're wrong. I can run a
Speaker 3: offense more traditional. I can be a pocket passer when
Speaker 3: need be. And they're point, they're dangerous and they can
Speaker 3: run the ball. They can throw it now, you know.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't worry me. Their offense isn't my big
Speaker 3: worry JP Okay, are their defense because you have a
Speaker 3: front seven that flat gets after you.
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Speaker 7: Av You're a little disconnected, you know. Trevor and the
Speaker 7: receivers were a little off.
Speaker 4: You know, we had opportunities to.
Speaker 7: Make plays in the first half, didn't Obviously the turnovers,
Speaker 7: you know, are are big and you can't you can't
Speaker 7: do that. You know, we had a little success early
Speaker 7: run in the football, you know, were some of the
Speaker 7: things he did to keep them off balanced, but just overall,
Speaker 7: just not not enough plays made, you know, too many,
Speaker 7: too many self inflicted wounds. You know that they kept
Speaker 7: us from sustaining drives or you know, staying on the field.
Speaker 2: Sed goes Doug Peterson after the game yesterday and welcome back.
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Speaker 3: He's got plenty to say.
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Speaker 3: After the game yesterday. Tony yeah, and Doug says something
Speaker 3: that I agree with, but I want to clarify from
Speaker 3: my perspective ways. He says, we did some good things
Speaker 3: early in the run game, and you say, well, then
Speaker 3: how do you only have seventeen rushers to your running
Speaker 3: backs and under three yards of carry? And they did
Speaker 3: have some success on two pin and polls and one
Speaker 3: and one wham play. The problem with those plays. Those
Speaker 3: are plays where you because of the formation or you
Speaker 3: catch someone by surprise or the angles that you catch
Speaker 3: them in the right look that just by getting in
Speaker 3: people's way and you know you can it's more position
Speaker 3: and pull type of things you can have success. I
Speaker 3: don't believe those things are repeatable over the length of
Speaker 3: a sixty minute game, and we saw them try like
Speaker 3: pretty If you look at the first play of the
Speaker 3: second half that Jeff was talking about. They're trying to
Speaker 3: pull and get outside and do stuff like that. But
Speaker 3: because your center is five yards in the backfield, was
Speaker 3: that everyone gets muddled up. You know, they ran a
Speaker 3: very nice wham play, which is you know, the uh
Speaker 3: the wing back traps to tackle or the defensive tackle
Speaker 3: you work up linebackers. They did a nice job and
Speaker 3: they got like seven or eight. They tried to run
Speaker 3: it again, they got zero because like you start recognizing seamless,
Speaker 3: the defense is recognizing yet we're good run teams. What
Speaker 3: they do is they line up and they say, we're
Speaker 3: gonna run inside zone. We don't think you can stop it.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we'll do it out of different formations and
Speaker 3: different looks to keep you honest and keep you off.
Speaker 3: But we're just gonna line up, put our hand in
Speaker 3: the dirt. We're gonna double you up to the next linebacker.
Speaker 3: Our back's gonna take one cut and we're gonna get
Speaker 3: four yards. We're gonna get three yards, and then by
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter those are five to six twenty yards.
Speaker 2: And the a couple of the players that they had
Speaker 2: that were successful, they were quick snaps and so they
Speaker 2: caught Cleveland a little bit.
Speaker 3: It's kind of the trick. You had to trick them, right,
Speaker 3: you got a trick. We got to fool them.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, the one thing that's very difficult
Speaker 2: against the Cleveland Browns is that, you know, when you
Speaker 2: combo block to try to get up to the next level,
Speaker 2: those line back as flow so fast that if you
Speaker 2: really can't combo block up to that next level. But
Speaker 2: the reality is is that you know, watching that game
Speaker 2: and watching the film.
Speaker 3: You actually can combo block at the next level. Ye
Speaker 3: can take the right if you're really good.
Speaker 2: But watching the Cleveland Browns and watching their two guards,
Speaker 2: Wyatt Teller and Joel Botonio, those two guys are really good,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking really good Pro Bowl really like seven
Speaker 2: Pro Bowls between them, and they lost their center, Ethan Posic,
Speaker 2: and then their backup center, Nick Harris, was the guy
Speaker 2: that actually in short yardage and stuff, he plays full
Speaker 2: back for them, so he was lined up and at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the game when Aaron shortyards that touchdown
Speaker 2: to Najoku, he was the full back lined up in
Speaker 2: the backfield. That's not something that's uncommon. He is the
Speaker 2: full back on their depth chart, which is odd your
Speaker 2: backup centers, you're starting fullback.
Speaker 3: The more you can do, I guess.
Speaker 2: But I mean that's that's a football team that is
Speaker 2: committed to running the ball, and they do a good
Speaker 2: job and option they had to be committed to running
Speaker 2: the ball over the course of the last number of
Speaker 2: weeks because of all the change at quarterback that they've had.
Speaker 2: And the other thing about that game, watching it, Miles
Speaker 2: Garrett was literally every moment that you watch him, you
Speaker 2: just go you wonder when he's just gonna turn it on,
Speaker 2: because when he turns it on, you can't.
Speaker 3: Stop the guy. But I'll say this, Jeff, if you
Speaker 3: look at the entirety of that game, he did not
Speaker 3: mess up the game. No, he didn't wreck it. He
Speaker 3: did not wreck the game. Now, the Jacks did a
Speaker 3: pretty good job. They did a good plan. I mean
Speaker 3: even the contained them. Even the sack he had in
Speaker 3: the two minute, I mean in the two point play.
Speaker 3: It was after Trevor had to whole it a Yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't. It wasn't just now Trevor did a good
Speaker 3: job getting rid of it a couple of times because
Speaker 3: he won. Right, why did we go for two? We
Speaker 3: can talk with another whole hour to go. By the way,
Speaker 3: wait to hold that question until Pete gets on, because
Speaker 3: people will have a field day. I'm just I'd like
Speaker 3: to know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm trying to understand that the mentality there.
Speaker 3: I got some theories. I'm not saying they're right, but
Speaker 3: I got some theories. We'll save it for Pete. Yeah,
Speaker 3: save for Pete.
Speaker 2: That's a good Probably a question on why they went
Speaker 2: for it and left it in field goal range too.
Speaker 3: But well, so I got there. There's a couple of
Speaker 3: game situations we'll talk about in the second hour. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the two are there's three. We went for it twice.
Speaker 3: One I know for sure the analytics say to go
Speaker 3: for it down you're talking about two points. Well, I
Speaker 3: to talk about both those situations. And then late in
Speaker 3: the game basically had three forty eight and three timeouts
Speaker 3: you're going for in fourth and six or seven that's
Speaker 3: where they used the time out. They use the timeout,
Speaker 3: but they but is it the right decision to go
Speaker 3: for it there? Or it's punning it away and playing
Speaker 3: defense getting the ball back with the chance to tie it, Well,
Speaker 3: we didn't get it.
Speaker 2: And taking a delay again there and punded it and
Speaker 2: they hit a fifty five yard field goal to take
Speaker 2: a ten point lead. We'll get to that. We got
Speaker 2: a whole hour ahead. We're out to Pete Prisco. We
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Speaker 4: It was not one of our cleaner games.
Speaker 6: Too many mistakes, you know, penalties, missed opportunities and miss throws, drops.
Speaker 4: You know, just not playing sound football.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I think we were just so inconsistent.
Speaker 6: It was hard to get in a rhythm. It feels
Speaker 6: like all the close plays like we didn't make that
Speaker 6: you need to get some momentum back in games, and
Speaker 6: it seemed like all those we just weren't able to
Speaker 6: make today.
Speaker 4: So, you know, we gotta watch this tape and.
Speaker 6: Really learn from it, because there's a lot on there
Speaker 6: that we got to clean up and get better from.
Speaker 4: Who was just walking off to the I just feel
Speaker 4: like we've missed so.
Speaker 6: Many opportunities and left a lot out there and really
Speaker 6: just shut ourselves in the foot over and over.
Speaker 2: There's the quarterback Trevor Lawrence after the game in Cleveland
Speaker 2: yesterday and welcome back. It's the second hour of Jaguars
Speaker 2: Happy Hour presented by Mister Chubby's Wings. We are on
Speaker 2: location at Mister Chubby's in Pana Vidra Beach until six
Speaker 2: o'clock tonight. After a Jaguars lost to the Browns, Jake
Speaker 2: p Shadrick, Tony Boselli, Jeff Vlogoman, the Jags rop another,
Speaker 2: this time thirty one twenty seven the final. Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 2: played through the ankle in three, but he also threw
Speaker 2: three interceptions in the game. Calvin Ridley and Say Jones,
Speaker 2: the receivers combined for twenty seven targets and only nine
Speaker 2: catches in the game. The Jags defense had issues as well.
Speaker 2: They gave up nearly four hundred yards Joe Flacco over
Speaker 2: three hundred yards passing, but the Jaguars did not lose
Speaker 2: ground in.
Speaker 3: The AFC South Race.
Speaker 2: A game up in the Colts and Texans four to
Speaker 2: go Sunday Night football this week for the Jaguars for
Speaker 2: the first time since two thousand and eight. The Ravens
Speaker 2: come to town with the number two defense in the
Speaker 2: NFL great against the past, Number one in secks. They
Speaker 2: run the daylights out of it, Lamar Jackson and all
Speaker 2: the rest. Pete Prisco joining us now CBS Sports Senior
Speaker 2: Rider for the second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour. Good afternoon, Pete.
Speaker 2: How are you there's pet We can't hear you here, Pete. Sorry, Pete,
Speaker 2: you can't you're Is that a good thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It can be a good thing when you can't
Speaker 3: hear Pete. I sometimes like putting him on you. So
Speaker 3: we'll have to work on some technical difficulties here. But
Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear what Pete has to see.
Speaker 3: He looked good. I was gonna give him the floor
Speaker 3: and almost give him the whole segment. Just say, Pete,
Speaker 3: unload on us.
Speaker 2: All right, hey, real quick, I want to go ahead
Speaker 2: and say this Peak. We haven't we haven't said anything
Speaker 2: about this. I give Trevor a lot of credit. You
Speaker 2: talking about a quarterback coming back playing from a high
Speaker 2: ankle spring.
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you do that?
Speaker 2: I mean, folks, high ankle sprayings are typically anywhere between
Speaker 2: three to six weeks of inactivity of being inactive, and
Speaker 2: he was able to come back and play in.
Speaker 3: Six days, six days.
Speaker 2: I mean that that's insane and and just and to
Speaker 2: be mobile in six days, how do you do that?
Speaker 3: He has special healing powers. Wow, and he's gumby. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's He's done it multiple times Detroit. Last year,
Speaker 2: you got twisted up and came back in the game.
Speaker 2: Obviously we don't happened with the knee thing this year.
Speaker 2: And coming back to play in a really short week
Speaker 2: and now somehow gets out of this one Monday night.
Speaker 2: You'd have thought he's done for you know, four or
Speaker 2: five weeks at least, and then now he's jumping buildings
Speaker 2: with a single bounce.
Speaker 3: And let me, speaking from an offensive line men's perspective,
Speaker 3: I can't even describe how far that goes when your
Speaker 3: quarterback has that mentality and that toughness and guts it
Speaker 3: out and is out there like as an offensive line
Speaker 3: you're like, that's the dude I want to bat for,
Speaker 3: That's the dude I want to go to war with.
Speaker 3: Because this isn't some prima donna or different. You know,
Speaker 3: he's a tough dude who wants he wants to play ball,
Speaker 3: he wants to win.
Speaker 2: And what you'd like to have is for those And
Speaker 2: we had mentioned this in our broadcast at the beginning,
Speaker 2: that you want those around him to elevate their level
Speaker 2: of play to make it easier to help him, and
Speaker 2: I don't think that happened. Well, now let's talk about
Speaker 2: some guys who I thought they'd played pretty well, having
Speaker 2: Ingram great day.
Speaker 3: Sude it. He's having really good days back to back.
Speaker 2: Twelve targets, eleven catches, ninety five two touchdowns for Ingram.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna give two guys that wasn't always pretty
Speaker 3: but not easy duty. Before Ezra got hurt, agave him
Speaker 3: hadn't played one snap and foot in the NFL at
Speaker 3: left tackles going out there and blocking Miles Garrett. Now
Speaker 3: did they help him yeat, But he was also out
Speaker 3: there a couple times one on one before he got hurt.
Speaker 3: In fact, the first touchdown he is one on one
Speaker 3: when he twists his knee, but he's one on one
Speaker 3: with Miles Garrett. Miles puts a great move on it,
Speaker 3: and he sits it down and protects Trevor's backside and
Speaker 3: allows to touch and it happen. And then you have
Speaker 3: a guy in Blake hands who's sitting on the sideline
Speaker 3: and I'm sure SA getting hurt.
Speaker 2: Are He's like, are you kidding me? And he went
Speaker 2: out there and he was it pretty all the time. No,
Speaker 2: but did he go fight his tail off?
Speaker 3: Fought? He fought, And you know what, Miles, Garrett did
Speaker 3: not mess up the game. Miles.
Speaker 2: We didn't lose because we couldn't block those guys up front.
Speaker 2: We didn't lose because Trevor was getting harassed the entire game.
Speaker 2: We didn't win because we didn't run the balls as
Speaker 2: a lineman, Tony, the worst block you can have is
Speaker 2: what we call the lookout oh my goodness, which you
Speaker 2: just you get beat right away and you're beat clean
Speaker 2: and your quarterback doesn't have a chance. You want to
Speaker 2: at least slow a guy. And I thought that look
Speaker 2: Blake is in a tough matchup. But he never had
Speaker 2: a lookout block. No, there wasn't like we call him
Speaker 2: lookout block because the offensive lineman gets beat and he turns.
Speaker 3: You know what, that's bad when you have a franchise,
Speaker 3: not with anybody franchise.
Speaker 2: Quarter Yes, so I mean give him credit, and but Trevor,
Speaker 2: I mean the toughness that he's displayed in his career
Speaker 2: now forty seven consecutive games played. Uh, just impressive. And
Speaker 2: I thought he played well enough to win. And I
Speaker 2: think that this team has got up. They got to
Speaker 2: be better around him and better on the other side
Speaker 2: of the ball to get a win like that, because look,
Speaker 2: when you're on run and I can tell you this too,
Speaker 2: that's a hostile environment, trust me. Okay, oh yeah, he
Speaker 2: got to experience it first hand.
Speaker 3: So for those who did not listen to the broadcast yesterday,
Speaker 3: shame on you for not listening. By the way, what
Speaker 3: are you doing.
Speaker 2: Second of all, you missed out on Jeff Flagaman nearly
Speaker 2: jumping out of the booth apparently to go maybe chase
Speaker 2: down a Browns fan.
Speaker 3: What take us through what happened. I'll give you the
Speaker 3: kind of the scene and all that Jeff get into.
Speaker 3: Jeff was much more vocal with the fans. He was
Speaker 3: vocal on the air bat in the break, it was
Speaker 3: even more BASI were sitting and we had great it's
Speaker 3: a great booth, by the way, great vantage point. We're
Speaker 3: at the forty yard line and some of these newer
Speaker 3: stadiums you're kind of in the corner at times. It
Speaker 3: was great. But the fans are literally right there, like
Speaker 3: the booth is here, and Jeff and I could touch
Speaker 3: the fans. They touch top of their heads really. In fact,
Speaker 3: at one point some of the cool Brown fans asked
Speaker 3: Jeff to take a picture of them, and Jeff took
Speaker 3: a picture of them from the booth. It was an
Speaker 3: Olive brand. It was this was after well, there was
Speaker 3: one guy. They were the ones that weren't as drunk
Speaker 3: as the other. There was a couple of people together,
Speaker 3: maybe they were brothers. And like the nickname would be
Speaker 3: Summer Teeth because somewhere over there, somewhere over here, Summer
Speaker 3: Teeth and uh. And he hadn't seen it, Dennis for
Speaker 3: a while, and he was very vocal, very hammer and
Speaker 3: hammer and very vocal, very hammer. We're sitting there and
Speaker 3: Jeff and I are having fun back and forth. Well,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden we're on the air and not
Speaker 3: even paying attention.
Speaker 2: And a beer when the Browns scored touchdown, here comes
Speaker 2: a beer can.
Speaker 3: A beer can't comes flying into the booths at a
Speaker 3: high rate of speech, almost hits Frank in the head
Speaker 3: and it and it was it was Summer Teeth and
Speaker 3: his buddy Mullet. Yes, and I thought Jeff was gonna
Speaker 3: When we found out Jeff was. We had to hold
Speaker 3: them out back from jumping down out of the booth.
Speaker 3: And uh, now I'll say this, the press box attend
Speaker 3: press box attendant was outstanding. And then she came in.
Speaker 3: She heard about it. We didn't say. Someone must have
Speaker 3: told them and she came in. Oh, Dave told them
Speaker 3: David Cannas our producer runs the show in the every game. Uh.
Speaker 3: And they came and took pictures, and about ten minutes
Speaker 3: later that summer Teeth and his buddy were no longer
Speaker 3: sitting in the Summer and Mullet were gone. They were gone.
Speaker 2: Wow, they were removed from the stadium. But here and
Speaker 2: then here Jeff was great. There he Jeff got extra
Speaker 2: gear just he was ready to go.
Speaker 3: I was ready.
Speaker 2: And then and then the problem was is that once
Speaker 2: that uh summer, Teeth and Mullet left. Okay, Now his
Speaker 2: buddies are all made okay because they got tossed. But
Speaker 2: they didn't realize what they had done about throwing the
Speaker 2: beer can okay at a high raised speedy They just
Speaker 2: soft tossed it up to that a difference I was
Speaker 2: inviting them to come on in and to join us
Speaker 2: in the booth. We had plenty of room, okay, because
Speaker 2: it would have been a much better situation for me
Speaker 2: having the higher round.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say that was one of the
Speaker 3: reasons why.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 3: It was interesting though, But back to Jeff's wayne very hostile.
Speaker 2: And here's here's the worst part. Okay, I got you know,
Speaker 2: there's a there's a glass wall to my right. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm the I'm in the far right side of the boots. Okay,
Speaker 2: Frank's on the far left side, but Selli's in between
Speaker 2: us and Frank's got a closed wall by him because
Speaker 2: the Browns coaches are in the next boot, okay, and
Speaker 2: the booth to the our right, which has this glass wall.
Speaker 2: It's a fandom, okay. So you've got sweets that have
Speaker 2: open seating outside. There's this ten year old kid mocking
Speaker 2: Jeff that's sitting.
Speaker 3: There giving me the loser side.
Speaker 2: It was a glass the whole game, and he's pounding.
Speaker 3: On the glass. He's a hockey game.
Speaker 2: And I'm going and I look at his dad and
Speaker 2: I was like, allowing you ten year old kid to
Speaker 2: show a total lack of respect and JP.
Speaker 3: I I almost did it, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: I wanted to reach because you can our our booth
Speaker 2: is open and he was open.
Speaker 3: I was going to reach around the post and just grab.
Speaker 2: Him, just you know, just just to shock them a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, better it would have been. It
Speaker 2: would have been a two man booth from after that
Speaker 2: for a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might have been.
Speaker 2: But uh, the kid was great, and you know, the
Speaker 2: banner back and forth with him was fine. But the
Speaker 2: summer teeth and and mullet, yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 2: nice knowing them and it was it was nice talking
Speaker 2: to the rest of the guys after they got tossed,
Speaker 2: because it was a very pleasant conversation. This is Jaguars Happy,
Speaker 2: We are alive at mister Chubby's Wings and Panavitra attention
Speaker 2: x l A M Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube. Pete Prisco,
Speaker 2: CBS Sports Senior writer. Let's give it a try again, Pete?
Speaker 2: Are you with us now?
Speaker 5: Can you hear me? Yes?
Speaker 3: We have yeah? Long last, how are you good?
Speaker 8: By the way, what is doing in my in my
Speaker 8: in that seat? He's not part of this show. This
Speaker 8: is an efficient show. I don't have to hear him
Speaker 8: talking about going to his property and stuff.
Speaker 5: I don't need that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see.
Speaker 2: Pete's a big fan of the show. He listened to
Speaker 2: the Outdoor Show every.
Speaker 3: I do too sometime, Pete, because you were not available
Speaker 3: the first hour, and we figured we bring in, Uh,
Speaker 3: we're in Panavid, You're at mister Chubby's. I live right
Speaker 3: down the street. Jeff lives right down the street. So
Speaker 3: Jeff's like, hey, it's a home game. I'll come join
Speaker 3: you and Pete.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, look, talk about that misery free.
Speaker 3: Wings to Pete. Why not? They are good, very good.
Speaker 2: Every Monday they bring it to our production crew at
Speaker 2: the Miller Electric Center, and now we came to them
Speaker 2: here at Mister.
Speaker 3: John They also provide food at halftime. So all right,
Speaker 3: let's let we're avoiding the situation. Pete.
Speaker 2: We want to open the floor for a few minutes
Speaker 2: for you here. What the hell happened yesterday?
Speaker 5: Well, let's be real.
Speaker 8: You got to give the quarterback credit for playing, but
Speaker 8: he was not very good at moments. But I think
Speaker 8: there were other issues at play, including you know, wide
Speaker 8: receiver running the wrong route, which Calvin Ridley clearly did.
Speaker 5: It was miscommunication there.
Speaker 8: I think that you know, defensively, they can't get to
Speaker 8: the quarterback. I mean, if Josh Allen doesn't get there,
Speaker 8: nobody's getting there.
Speaker 5: That's two weeks in a row.
Speaker 8: You made Jake Browning and Joe Flacco two backups, one
Speaker 8: almost years old, shred you throwing the football. There were
Speaker 8: way too many busts and I tried to go through
Speaker 8: and you guys might be able to watch the tape
Speaker 8: on the way home today from Kansas City. The busts
Speaker 8: in the secondary, I attribute number one to Rayshawn Jenkins,
Speaker 8: number two to a Luacan, and number three I was
Speaker 8: trying to get an idea.
Speaker 5: Who that was.
Speaker 8: It was either Darius Williams or Rayshon Jenkins. I couldn't
Speaker 8: quite figure that one out. But my gosh, you talk
Speaker 8: about guys running wide open that can't happen.
Speaker 5: And so you combine it all together.
Speaker 8: It was not a very good day for the Jacksonville
Speaker 8: Jaguars in Cleveland.
Speaker 3: In Cleveland, So I'll let Jeff Pete because we talked
Speaker 3: about those busts on defense, and I agree with you.
Speaker 3: The worst part of that game for me is really
Speaker 3: you beat yourself at the end of the day. Now,
Speaker 3: there's certain things that give Cleveland credit. They are more
Speaker 3: physicle at the line of scrimson we were they did,
Speaker 3: you know, some good things, but you take away three
Speaker 3: bus on defense, that's a completely different game. And I'll
Speaker 3: let Jeff because we talked about who's who we think,
Speaker 3: I mean, we're making some assumptions based on what we
Speaker 3: know about the defense and how they play. So I'll
Speaker 3: let Jeff kind of go through each of those and
Speaker 3: kind of what he saw on tape.
Speaker 2: All right, So the first one Pete, which was a
Speaker 2: third and one, and essentially the Browns are in a
Speaker 2: goal line personnel grouping. The Jaguars match with a goal
Speaker 2: line defensive grouping, and they're bringing pressure off the outside edges.
Speaker 2: And when you do that, a lot of times you
Speaker 2: ask a defensive end or a linebacker to play man
Speaker 2: on a tight end. And it looked like from watching
Speaker 2: it that Trayvon was in man coverage on Najoku and
Speaker 2: in order to do that. A lot of people say, well,
Speaker 2: how can you ask a guy like Trayvon to do that? Well,
Speaker 2: you beat him up at the line of scrimmage to
Speaker 2: where he can't release, and you expect him to be
Speaker 2: able to run with no Joku, because No Dajoku is
Speaker 2: not a guy that has blazing speed. I think it
Speaker 2: was on Trayvon with that one. The second one to Najoku,
Speaker 2: I think it was Foyer got too aggressive on a
Speaker 2: run read and then got caught and then he couldn't
Speaker 2: end up backing out and covering ground, and Devin Lloyd
Speaker 2: never even moved, He didn't buy the run fake. He
Speaker 2: was pointing in the direction of where the tight end
Speaker 2: was going, and Foyer was just so fast going downhill.
Speaker 2: And now the last one, which was the completion to
Speaker 2: the belt guy be be okay when when they started
Speaker 2: out the wide receiver, one of the wide receivers was
Speaker 2: out wide, and you're you're in man coverage and when
Speaker 2: the motion comes in, you're essentially playing an in and out,
Speaker 2: so you're playing man, but you're saying, okay, if one
Speaker 2: guy goes in, I got him, another guy stays at
Speaker 2: the outside, I got him. A little confusion there between
Speaker 2: Darius and ray Seawan because they both went to cover
Speaker 2: the same guy and then when Darius realized that they
Speaker 2: both were going to the same guy and that he
Speaker 2: in my opinion, he was supposed to be on the
Speaker 2: outside guy, and he realized that he plants his foot, slips,
Speaker 2: goes down to the ground, and by then it's too.
Speaker 3: Late, so that one is just miss miscommunication. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: the bottom.
Speaker 5: Line it ways, right, Jack, you could play that two
Speaker 5: different ways.
Speaker 8: You either go in and out or you just play
Speaker 8: it straight and and let the in guy go to
Speaker 8: Jenkins and and he stays with the outside guy.
Speaker 5: I mean that you could do that too, But.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can and say okay, we're staying. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's you know, you can play cat coverage. I say,
Speaker 2: I got that cat. It doesn't matter what they do, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: But then you can also play okay, I got the
Speaker 2: guy that goes in, you got the guy that goes.
Speaker 8: Out Banjo, Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But Pete to your point though, I mean, you look
Speaker 3: at this game, and I've said I said it since
Speaker 3: the game yesterday. The Jaguars beat themselves with missed assignments,
Speaker 3: blown coverages, which is miss assignments, turnovers and stupid penalties.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like they were you know, the big fear
Speaker 3: going the game is is Miles Garrett in the you know,
Speaker 3: just gonna take over the game. Can they block them,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be just a complete mess because of the
Speaker 3: injuries offensive line, well, for the most part it was
Speaker 3: not and they Trevor had time to operate. Now, they
Speaker 3: still can't run the ball, and we talked about that already.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like they can't run between the tackles.
Speaker 3: They physically can't do it. But as far as overall,
Speaker 3: if you don't have the missed assignments, and you know,
Speaker 3: including blown coverages, a lot of those miss assignments led
Speaker 3: to turnovers or touchdowns, that's a completely different game.
Speaker 5: But you can't you say that every week, Tony. I
Speaker 5: mean you really can.
Speaker 8: If you if you play your signmon football, you're gonna
Speaker 8: you're gonna not gonna make those mistakes.
Speaker 5: And I think they do. I mean they've been doing.
Speaker 8: And you know what else is getting worship by the way,
Speaker 8: the tackling and the secondaries get the wars.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean you've got too bad.
Speaker 5: Turn last a couple of weeks in a row. There's
Speaker 5: been a lot of more tackling back there.
Speaker 8: You know, I want to say a couple of things
Speaker 8: real quick. I thought Antonio Johnson added some speed to
Speaker 8: that defense. They might need to get him on the
Speaker 8: field more, don't you think I mean he made a
Speaker 8: couple of plays about the tape a little bit. I
Speaker 8: think he's a guy that you need to get on
Speaker 8: the field.
Speaker 3: And then just a big fan of Antonio Johnson too.
Speaker 3: What do you hey, let's hold that thought.
Speaker 2: We'll come back and keep it real with your thoughts
Speaker 2: come of the decisions.
Speaker 3: At the end, Pete, we want to talk about that
Speaker 3: gone for two and would you have hunted or gone
Speaker 3: for it? And fourth and seven with three forty eight.
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Speaker 4: I think it was four and ten.
Speaker 7: Yes, the fort and tree is a better chance which
Speaker 7: just pick up the first down for another one that
Speaker 7: he decided to go.
Speaker 4: A fuck out it.
Speaker 2: Head coach Doug Peterson after the game yesterday, welcome back
Speaker 2: as Jaguars Happy Hour. We are alive at mister Chubby's
Speaker 2: wings and Panavietre Beach on A one A hope you'll
Speaker 2: join us here until six o'clock. J. P. Shadwick, Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer, Tony Bisseli, Jeff Blogoman here and Pete Prisco
Speaker 2: with us on the line as always. And it's time
Speaker 2: now for keeping it Real, presented by Woodbridge by Robert Mundavi.
Speaker 2: Open up a winner today, Real Ingredients Award winning line
Speaker 2: by Robert Mandavi. And we have questions about some of
Speaker 2: the decisions toward the end of the game. And let's
Speaker 2: start with the Jaguars. With just about four minutes to go,
Speaker 2: three thirty four to play, Jaguars are facing fourth and
Speaker 2: three from their own thirty eight yard line. They had
Speaker 2: to burn a time out before the fourth down play,
Speaker 2: they decided to go for it. Lawrence throws incomplete short
Speaker 2: ripe to say Jones, they turn it over on downs.
Speaker 2: The Browns get one yard on the ensuing drive three
Speaker 2: plays and kick a fifty five yard field goal to
Speaker 2: go up ten piece.
Speaker 3: So hold on before we go to peace. So it
Speaker 3: was only fourth and three. I thought it was five
Speaker 3: and six, Okay, I was wrong. It was fourth and three.
Speaker 3: I don't change my opinion, but fourth and three, so Pete,
Speaker 3: you go first, because all right, me, I think.
Speaker 8: I mean you gotta punt them. You have to punt
Speaker 8: the football because here's why. If you don't get it,
Speaker 8: which they didn't, you're automatically giving him a field goal
Speaker 8: that puts you the game at essentially out of reach.
Speaker 8: If you punt them in let's just say flip it forward,
Speaker 8: you pun him back, and you do have the same
Speaker 8: exact situation where you limit him to one yard, then
Speaker 8: you're gonna get the football back and you're gonna have
Speaker 8: a chance to go tie the game, or maybe Doug
Speaker 8: Peterson would go for two and try and win the game.
Speaker 8: So I think I didn't like the decision. I would
Speaker 8: have punted the football right there. And I think you
Speaker 8: guys probably agree with me.
Speaker 2: Agree, And I think you're you're assuming Pete that you're
Speaker 2: gonna get a stop and also assuming that you're gonna
Speaker 2: get good field position after the stop. But that happened
Speaker 2: earlier in the game, and the guy that punts for
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns kicked the seventy five yard punt and
Speaker 2: you didn't get good field position.
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm I'm.
Speaker 2: Against you guys a little bit here on this, and
Speaker 2: then I'm okay with it. Fourth and three with a
Speaker 2: good quarterback and one of the best tight ends in football.
Speaker 3: I just wish he had been the primary. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess I understand why Doug went for it, but I
Speaker 3: just I still disagree with it. And I let me
Speaker 3: correct myself because I said earlier in the show it
Speaker 3: was like fourth or six or fourth and six or seven.
Speaker 3: I it doesn't change my perspective whether it's fourth six,
Speaker 3: fourth and six and it's still seven or fourth and three.
Speaker 3: I'm still punting it because if you don't get it
Speaker 3: because of their kicker, you're basically the game's ending, because
Speaker 3: especially because especially with the onside rules now, the chances
Speaker 3: of getting an on side kick are so low. And
Speaker 3: and you got I mean at some point, you keep
Speaker 3: your timeouts for a reason, and you like punting's part
Speaker 3: of the game. Punt it deep, get a three and out,
Speaker 3: even if he booms another one. Jeff, to your point,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get the ball at you're twenty fifteen or
Speaker 3: twenty with over two minutes left because you used all
Speaker 3: three timeouts, and that's an eternity to.
Speaker 5: Go four touchdowns and don't if you don't blow the timeout.
Speaker 8: If you make the decision right away, you have three
Speaker 8: timeouts into two minute warning.
Speaker 3: No, I would never even Yeah, I would just take
Speaker 3: a delay of game.
Speaker 5: Before the third down play.
Speaker 8: You say, if we don't get it, we're gonna punt,
Speaker 8: and then we're gonna go play there, so you don't
Speaker 8: have to use the other time out.
Speaker 5: And so, by the way, move over, BISSELLI.
Speaker 8: There's a new company man in town on the set
Speaker 8: there since Jeff Logaman.
Speaker 5: He just took over your place.
Speaker 2: No, but but Pete, I mean, now, look, Pete, if
Speaker 2: it had been fourth and six or seven or eight,
Speaker 2: I would I would think completely differently about it. But
Speaker 2: fourth and three, And here's the problem, Pete, because the
Speaker 2: Jaguars defense this year has not done a great job
Speaker 2: when they needed to give the ball back to the offense.
Speaker 3: This year, they haven't done the job in that category. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess I just think.
Speaker 2: The games over, because if you don't get it, the
Speaker 2: games the game's over.
Speaker 3: With three minutes left in the game, it's over. Now,
Speaker 3: here's the other decision. Hold on, hold on before I
Speaker 3: want to finish his real quick, because that's what this guy,
Speaker 3: their kicker had not missed over fifty all years, and
Speaker 3: so if you don't pick it up, you are ending
Speaker 3: the game. And I think you tried to extend the
Speaker 3: game and give yourself as many chances as you possibly
Speaker 3: can and just be let's let's go back. Let's say
Speaker 3: you get fourth and three.
Speaker 5: You still have sixty yards to go right right right,
Speaker 5: to do anything.
Speaker 2: It's not like you're going for it at the fifty,
Speaker 2: at at the plus forty five, where if you don't
Speaker 2: get it you can still get a three and out.
Speaker 3: Like I would be all for that. My problem was
Speaker 3: if you don't get it, you end the game.
Speaker 2: If they make the field, you know who you're really
Speaker 2: missing that situation.
Speaker 3: Christian kirk oh Gosha. Absolutely, yes, you could say that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: for the next few I'm sure. Hey.
Speaker 2: The other decision, the other decision that as we're keeping
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Speaker 2: score a touchdown one thirty seven to go, Lawrence to
Speaker 2: Ingram a two yarder and so they're down four and
Speaker 2: decide to go for.
Speaker 3: Two and make it a two point game. Instead, they
Speaker 3: missed it.
Speaker 2: It was still a four point games, still needing the
Speaker 2: on side kick.
Speaker 3: Pete, what do you think that was?
Speaker 8: That makes no sense whatsoever in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 8: You cannot defend that. Doug Peterson cannot defend that. What's
Speaker 8: the point of it. Oh, we're gonna go win it.
Speaker 8: He's still gonna get the on side kick and go
Speaker 8: get the field goal. Anyways, if you will limit it
Speaker 8: by not getting that, you eliminated the chance to go
Speaker 8: get a field goal to send the game to overtime.
Speaker 5: It made no sense to me none.
Speaker 8: I will never And look, they can pull out their
Speaker 8: analytics book all they want.
Speaker 5: There's no defense of that at all.
Speaker 8: You definitely kick the extra point and then you hope
Speaker 8: you get the on side kick and go to overtime.
Speaker 2: So hold on real quick, just so I can prove
Speaker 2: the Pete that I'm not a company man.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, Pete.
Speaker 5: There you go, Jeff, I like it.
Speaker 3: I like it. There you go, Pete, Pete, I I agree.
Speaker 3: I would not have gone for it. But it bothers
Speaker 3: me less than the one the not punning it on
Speaker 3: fourth and three with three timeouts, because the reality is, well,
Speaker 3: my point is I mean, because getting it on side
Speaker 3: is such low probability in today's NFL. But let's just
Speaker 3: say you get the on side. Whether you made that
Speaker 3: two point or conversion or not, you still had a
Speaker 3: minute forty four left. It wasn't like ten seconds left,
Speaker 3: and so you can still score touchdown and win it.
Speaker 3: I did. I still I'm with you. I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: done it, but it doesn't bother me as much because
Speaker 3: the biggest risk is getting the on side and so okay,
Speaker 3: like that, Like that one inn't bother me. I did
Speaker 3: not like fourth and three three timeouts against let's call it.
Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about the defense not doing great
Speaker 3: in those situations. Take away those three explosives, which I
Speaker 3: always hate when defensive coordators do this. Except for these
Speaker 3: three plays, we were really good. But take away those
Speaker 3: three explosives. The Browns average under three under three yards
Speaker 3: of rush as well. It was two point nine and
Speaker 3: so it wasn't like they were gash you on the ground.
Speaker 3: It was broken. It was bad coverage that would killed
Speaker 3: you that day. The other remember the other seven they
Speaker 3: got to get to twenty eight, was when Parker Washington
Speaker 3: fumbled on the twenty and they only have to go
Speaker 3: twenty yards, So it wasn't like this was a Cleveland
Speaker 3: team just marching up and down the field. It was
Speaker 3: poor coverage, poor execution and turnovers that led to those points,
Speaker 3: which is another reason I would have kicked it deep
Speaker 3: and play defense. All right, you have it. That's keeping
Speaker 3: it by Yes, back to the Tony.
Speaker 5: You made a good point.
Speaker 9: Whether you got the two point player or not the
Speaker 9: once I kick was in play, you know, so what's
Speaker 9: the different Why not just why not keep your hopes
Speaker 9: up that maybe if you have a chance.
Speaker 5: I didn't get that at all. That one was.
Speaker 3: It didn't bother me as much. When I'm waiting to pete.
Speaker 3: I would have to just kicked the next point. That's
Speaker 3: how we do.
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Speaker 6: Felt pretty good all things considered, you know, so that
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Speaker 4: Felt pretty good. It held off. I was able to
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Speaker 2: of pick the best ones of the day. And I
Speaker 2: was called out before the show by a fan, yeah,
Speaker 2: saying that I never pick his question.
Speaker 3: Ever, Well, oh, I thought you did you see that?
Speaker 3: What you were called out by ruining the last two
Speaker 3: weeks because of the triple off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a different story altogether. However, at Segundo's dad
Speaker 2: has the first question tonight and he's here tonight, So
Speaker 2: thanks for coming up and calling us out.
Speaker 3: We appreciate. It's a good question.
Speaker 2: Individually, the offensive line is a collection of solid players. Collectively,
Speaker 2: they aren't getting it done. Is there an explanation why
Speaker 2: the Jags can't run between the tackles and keep a
Speaker 2: clean pocket? Well, the don't point me, he started to
Speaker 2: answer the question.
Speaker 3: I was pinting you because we talked about it all
Speaker 3: the time. We're on the same page. I disagree with
Speaker 3: the clean pocket. Now they hit him twelve times, Yet
Speaker 3: they did that's a good unit. But until yesterday it
Speaker 3: was like the Bengals were all over him. It wasn't
Speaker 3: like the Texans were all over them. It wasn't like
Speaker 3: whoever we played before that. I mean, so, I'm not
Speaker 3: sure it's fair to say the protection has been bad
Speaker 3: for the last seven or eight games. The run game,
Speaker 3: I agree with, that's a good unit, and like now,
Speaker 3: he got hit too much, and there was a couple
Speaker 3: of times just unnecessaryacked in my opinion, but.
Speaker 2: In a couple of times because an offensive lineman just
Speaker 2: didn't even finish.
Speaker 3: Just finish the play, Just finish the block. You got
Speaker 3: him finish.
Speaker 2: I mean that that's not asking something that's superhuman. Finished
Speaker 2: the block. Okay, the old saying, play to the whistle,
Speaker 2: the echo, play to the whistle. I'm trying to do
Speaker 2: my best. Yes, very well done, Edwards imitation Pete. What
Speaker 2: do you think about all this?
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the run game before we go to Pete. Okay,
Speaker 3: you want to take the first shot. You want me
Speaker 3: to you started off. They do not move people. They
Speaker 3: are not a physical, downhill displace people type of offensive line.
Speaker 3: They are out of a two point most of the time.
Speaker 3: You have a center who is tall guy, but plays
Speaker 3: with the high pad level and doesn't isn't physical, isn't
Speaker 3: physical at the lion of scrimmage, isn't physical getting up
Speaker 3: to the next level. I think that the I think
Speaker 3: Brandon Sheriff is. You know, he's an older player, he's
Speaker 3: had some lower body injuries. I don't think he has
Speaker 3: the power right now to move he's he is he smart?
Speaker 3: Is he in the right place? Absolutely? Is he a
Speaker 3: good poller. But as far as just being physical and
Speaker 3: move people, and so, you look, we have an offense
Speaker 3: it's very horizontal, very position block, looking for an angle
Speaker 3: and pull guys and try to get outside and try
Speaker 3: to fabricate run lanes. It's not it's not a physical group.
Speaker 3: And when you're not a physical group, as as this
Speaker 3: season goes on, people start understanding what you're trying to
Speaker 3: do and defend it. Play against a good unit like Cleveland,
Speaker 3: they're gonna shut it down. But the reality is it's
Speaker 3: not just good units who shut us down. We've been
Speaker 3: shut down the last seven weeks.
Speaker 2: I'll be real brief and let let people talk here,
Speaker 2: but just a quick comment. This is a pass first offense,
Speaker 2: and when you're a pass first offense sometimes it's it's
Speaker 2: hard to get that mind.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Now we need to be physical, okay, And so that
Speaker 2: makes it difficult, but you still have to be able
Speaker 2: to do that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but when we get the Eagles and the way
Speaker 8: they play and they move their center and get them
Speaker 8: on the move and everything else, they play physical.
Speaker 5: They didn't last night, but they usually do.
Speaker 8: I think part of the biggest part of the problem
Speaker 8: with running the football is the center. He's not big.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's not physical. You mentioned it. Tony plays
Speaker 8: too high. He gets immediate immediately he's up and he's
Speaker 8: getting pushed. And when you can't get any push, that's
Speaker 8: a problem. Sheriff was terrible last week. He was He
Speaker 8: was a little bit better this week. I thought, you know,
Speaker 8: am I crazy to think that there's a possibility they
Speaker 8: can make a change at center and put Shatley in
Speaker 8: there if you want to really try and improve the
Speaker 8: run game or something, because they're not running the ball
Speaker 8: at all, and Tony's right, it's.
Speaker 5: A it's a pull in pot. You know, they pin
Speaker 5: and pull up.
Speaker 8: You know, offense, there's angles and get to the second
Speaker 8: level and they just don't do a good enough job
Speaker 8: of it. I don't know what the answer is, but
Speaker 8: they don't have enough bodies now to try and make
Speaker 8: any decisions.
Speaker 4: Do that.
Speaker 8: I mean, think about it. Who's gonna start this week
Speaker 8: at left tackle? Will Walker Littill be back?
Speaker 3: There's question, he's question the possibility.
Speaker 8: So if he's not, Blake can start right.
Speaker 3: The possibilit Ezra's day to day two.
Speaker 2: Let me chime in right here, because I'm a big believer,
Speaker 2: and Tony You've heard me say this for many years.
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of when you have an injury,
Speaker 2: that you make two position changes because of one injury.
Speaker 2: So I would have been a bigger fan of, Okay,
Speaker 2: leave Ezra Cleveland at left guard and then put Blake
Speaker 2: Canson in at left tackle, because it's a position that
Speaker 2: you're already gonna help a ton with anyway, and because
Speaker 2: I think that continuity is key there. Uh And because also,
Speaker 2: and we haven't mentioned this yet. If you have let's
Speaker 2: say Blake Canson left tackle, you help him with the
Speaker 2: tight end, and then you got to get the running
Speaker 2: backs to do a better job with the chips than
Speaker 2: what they did in this past game.
Speaker 3: It was not good name.
Speaker 2: He was unread Pete, Pete, how many times do you remember?
Speaker 2: And one of the best ever in the history of
Speaker 2: the league.
Speaker 3: Because I felt it was Eric.
Speaker 2: B enemy Okay when he used to do a chip Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm talking. He had a crosshair on ribs and he
Speaker 2: was looking to break them. Fred Taylor was awesome at it.
Speaker 2: Maurice was arguably the best in Jaguars history.
Speaker 3: We remember Shawn Merriman. Yeah, he's still feeling that what
Speaker 3: we saw yesterday was not good. Was the exact opposite
Speaker 3: of what you just described. But going back to the
Speaker 3: offense line in general is and Pete, you asked that
Speaker 3: you put Shatley at center. I don't know what you do,
Speaker 3: but there is it's I think it impacts other calling plays.
Speaker 3: And I agree Jeff. There a pass first offense, no
Speaker 3: doubt about that, but not to to the not to
Speaker 3: the level of fifty seven call passes and seventeen called
Speaker 3: runs in a game. But I don't think they have
Speaker 3: any confidence to run through in between the tackles because
Speaker 3: it's not just that we play very horizontal, very high.
Speaker 3: We're not physical. We don't finish, we don't stay on blocks,
Speaker 3: we don't even get to the next level and finish
Speaker 3: blocks that allow that next level run to break. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of watching going on. Yeah, all right, let's
Speaker 3: move along to the next question.
Speaker 2: It's get a couple more in here, guys at SSBAY
Speaker 2: underscore Z. Why does it seem like when a team
Speaker 2: uses motion or misdirection on offense, our defense looks so confused,
Speaker 2: which leads to wide open receivers. Even the fourth and
Speaker 2: three the Brown score to go up twenty eight to
Speaker 2: fourteen was a blown coverage.
Speaker 3: Jeff, you're the defensive expert. Well, I mean, here, here's
Speaker 3: the thing.
Speaker 2: The motion I think that he's referring to, which is
Speaker 2: very observant, is the one that went to Bell a
Speaker 2: wide receiver. And when you have motions, you can have
Speaker 2: the change a change of response.
Speaker 3: It's ability. And with the.
Speaker 2: Motions, there's got to be communications as soon.
Speaker 3: As that motion starts.
Speaker 2: And in the case of the long touchdown the Bell,
Speaker 2: there wasn't even so much as a glance with Darius
Speaker 2: Williams and Rayshawn Jenkins at that time, nor before the play.
Speaker 2: And you've got to be able to communicate so everybody's
Speaker 2: on the same page, so you don't have any holes.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, that's something that you don't want to see. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's been a problem before with this defense, and they've
Speaker 2: got to get that corrected, and it's just a simple
Speaker 2: matter of talking when the huddle breaks, when the formation
Speaker 2: is set, and then as quickly as you can when
Speaker 2: something changes with emotion. And clearly the Jaguars did not
Speaker 2: do a good job with it, especially on that specific
Speaker 2: play on the touchdown the bill it's a lot pete.
Speaker 8: Yeah, really football, if you take away to the three bus,
Speaker 8: they've probably played well on defense. But everybody can say that.
Speaker 8: In every game in this league nowadays, you always have
Speaker 8: going to couple of.
Speaker 5: Plays like that.
Speaker 8: My concern is, where the hell, other than Josh Allen,
Speaker 8: is the pass rush.
Speaker 5: Seriously, where is it? It's not existent, It's not there.
Speaker 5: It's and okay, a couple of those plays.
Speaker 8: You know, Flacco stood back there and I think he
Speaker 8: threw a rifle shot to the right sideline on one place,
Speaker 8: stood back there for twenty minutes. It seemed like the
Speaker 8: pass rush is non existent. They and the whole Trayvon
Speaker 8: Walker again, we're going to pile on a little bit.
Speaker 8: He had one pressure where I think he came off
Speaker 8: the edge. He beat a guy.
Speaker 5: Those are backup tackles they're working against. They're not starters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna argue with that because
Speaker 2: in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: So you go back to the.
Speaker 2: To the Texans game, and I didn't think Trayvon played
Speaker 2: very well the Bengals game. Came out very early in
Speaker 2: the ball game and the right tackle from Alabama JP
Speaker 2: give me a name I don't know, early in the
Speaker 2: thank you Pete, and he literally centers Joonah Williams and
Speaker 2: hits him and knocks him on his can like two
Speaker 2: yards back. And I'm like, all right, okay, establish him power. Now,
Speaker 2: after you establish power and you put the fear of
Speaker 2: God in the guy, now you.
Speaker 3: Counter off of that, you don't go back to power.
Speaker 3: And it didn't happen.
Speaker 8: Well, he goes to Jeff You're right, he goes to
Speaker 8: power early in the game, and then they.
Speaker 5: All figure it out.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be his power, Tony.
Speaker 8: If you knew you had a guy there was nothing
Speaker 8: but power, what do you do?
Speaker 5: What do you do?
Speaker 3: I mean he just first of all, I'd short set
Speaker 3: him every time, and that's what Cleveland did. And he
Speaker 3: was for the most part ineffective backup tackle. For the
Speaker 3: most part. Every time he shorts out of him. It
Speaker 3: was it was over sixty six.
Speaker 2: I can't remember ye his name because the rookie, Hudson,
Speaker 2: thank you, the rookie was out with a with a
Speaker 2: knee injury. The fourth round pick tackle out of Ohio State, who,
Speaker 2: by the way, is a good football player. He's having
Speaker 2: he's yeah, he's having surgery. He's done for the year.
Speaker 2: Though they had asked that to that what happened.
Speaker 5: And and that Hudson, by the way, moments during his
Speaker 5: time playing where he's looked awful. I just want to
Speaker 5: put that out there.
Speaker 8: And he and he held more than held his own
Speaker 8: against Trayvon Walker, and again it's not working. They can
Speaker 8: talk to their blue in the face. He's a good
Speaker 8: football player, is a tough kid. He plays a run well.
Speaker 8: He's a physical guy. He does he does all that.
Speaker 8: He's not a pass rusher, and you drafted him to
Speaker 8: be a pass rusher.
Speaker 2: One more question on fanatics fan questions at jbs Nsley
Speaker 2: thoughts on the offensive a side call on the Bills
Speaker 2: Chiefs game. I thought the Chiefs showed lack of responsibility
Speaker 2: and forced sportsmanship.
Speaker 3: After the game. If he don't let you go first,
Speaker 3: you're the national guy. I got my opinions on it.
Speaker 5: Were I was.
Speaker 8: I was at that game Sunday, and uh, look, we
Speaker 8: saw it right away. He was lined up all sides.
Speaker 8: There's no doubt about it. They act like he pointed down.
Speaker 8: He just pointed. He never got a you know, information
Speaker 8: from the official, but he had done at the entire game.
Speaker 8: And so for the Chiefs to handle it the way
Speaker 8: they did it, I thought it was terrible. And for
Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes to walk over when Josh Allen's coming over
Speaker 8: to say something to him after the game and to
Speaker 8: bring that up, I thought that was out of character
Speaker 8: and it was out of line.
Speaker 5: I thought it was ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Pete, how much of that is just the frustrations boiling
Speaker 2: over of Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes knowing that they
Speaker 2: don't have the offense that they've had in the past,
Speaker 2: that they really they got to think about how they
Speaker 2: play football because they're really a defensive first team now.
Speaker 5: No doubt about it. They're not scoring points.
Speaker 8: I mean that Buffalo defense has so many guys missing
Speaker 8: and they couldn't score points.
Speaker 5: It's a problem.
Speaker 8: And by the way, anybody who's going to finish in
Speaker 8: the second spot in the AFC you do not want
Speaker 8: to play the Buffalo Bills. I'm telling that the offense
Speaker 8: has come alive. They can score. Next week you'll see it.
Speaker 8: They play Dallas, and you do not. Of all the
Speaker 8: teams that are possibly going to be in the playoffs,
Speaker 8: Jake Brown, Thank Gardner, Minshew, the Broncos, maybe the Texans,
Speaker 8: you'd much rather play all of those teams than Josh
Speaker 8: Allen and the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3: Well, Pete, well the good news is we're fourth now,
Speaker 3: so we're in. It's a safe spot.
Speaker 2: And I will say that there might have been a
Speaker 2: little frustration boiling up. Isn't that the third time that
Speaker 2: Buffalo's going to Kansas City and beating beating them?
Speaker 3: Last year they did? No, Yeah, they beat him last.
Speaker 5: Year playoff game. Remember that was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Right, I thought it was three times that they have
Speaker 2: beaten them in in Kansas City. All right, those are
Speaker 2: the fanatics fan questions. Did you get to the guy
Speaker 2: that you blew off for all this all year?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the first question. Okay, good for you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because he came up and was like, why don't you
Speaker 3: answer my questions? Well, Pete, we started the show of
Speaker 3: me reprimanding JP for triple locking and ruining the kid.
Speaker 5: Everybody's every nobody wants hints any anymore. You're out, JP.
Speaker 2: You did I am. I've already set him out. I
Speaker 2: didn't need you to tell me I'm out that from
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Speaker 4: You're doing that, You're gonna start off the flowings are
Speaker 4: gonna happen.
Speaker 6: We were in a position, we were in many positions
Speaker 6: to tie the game and then take over the game.
Speaker 3: We didn't do it.
Speaker 5: So you know, you gotta you gotta kind of roll
Speaker 5: with the punches sometimes but finish in the end.
Speaker 6: We have most opportunities and just didn't get it done.
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Speaker 3: He's unbelievable, way more than one hundred. That's what I'm
Speaker 3: saying right now. Unreal Now, not huge yards per catch,
Speaker 3: probably won't get to one thousand yards.
Speaker 2: But he is eleventh in the league now in receptions
Speaker 2: and out of the top twenty receivers in receptions in
Speaker 2: the National Football League. He has the highest catch percentage,
Speaker 2: which is impressive.
Speaker 3: He remember coming in from the Giants, the book on
Speaker 3: him is that he had the drops oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and just I mean, I know we got to get
Speaker 3: the rest of league. But real quick thing on Evan
Speaker 3: if you have maybe some of our fans already know this,
Speaker 3: but I don't think there's a harder worker in the
Speaker 3: organization right now than Evan Ingram of like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't know how much film he watches.
Speaker 3: I think a lot and a lot of guys are
Speaker 3: work their work ethics great on this team, but this
Speaker 3: is a guy before after practice, before the game, is
Speaker 3: working on his craft constantly and it's paying.
Speaker 2: Off one of the great acquisitions in Jaguars history and
Speaker 2: free agency. And I remember, I don't want to bring
Speaker 2: up the past, but you and I arguing because I
Speaker 2: was a big fan of that sign, and You're like,
Speaker 2: I don't know stru one.
Speaker 3: Thing that I wish with Evan.
Speaker 2: I wish more defenses treated him like a true tight end.
Speaker 3: Well, the problem they don't and they can't, and part
Speaker 3: of it is because, I mean, Evan is not an
Speaker 3: in line tight end that's going to dominate a DEFENSI end.
Speaker 3: I mean he's not George Kittle. George Kittle is a
Speaker 3: like an offensive tackle blocking.
Speaker 2: And if you get a little bit more favorable match
Speaker 2: he gets a lot of corner looks.
Speaker 3: He gets all the time, so it's not as big
Speaker 3: as the match difference.
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick look around the NFL. Let's start off, though,
Speaker 2: with the AFC playoff chase going into the night.
Speaker 3: The Ravens the number one seed.
Speaker 2: Currently, the Dolphins played a night on Monday Night Football,
Speaker 2: they're the number two. If they win tonight, they be
Speaker 2: back at number one. Chiefs Jaguars three and four, then
Speaker 2: the Browns at five in the wild card race. Then
Speaker 2: there are what six teams peate that are seven and
Speaker 2: six in the AFC. This thing is gonna go out.
Speaker 3: On the wire.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if you look at the schedules, you know some
Speaker 8: teams have are gonna end up playing each A lot
Speaker 8: of those teams play each other, you know, like you
Speaker 8: look at the Bengals play a bunch of those teams,
Speaker 8: and you know, the Texans played the Colts the end
Speaker 8: of the year.
Speaker 5: So I think it's gonna play out.
Speaker 8: But if Buffalo beats Dallas this week, they have two
Speaker 8: winnable games and then their final game of the season
Speaker 8: will be at Miami, and the question becomes will Miami
Speaker 8: need it?
Speaker 5: They probably will, but you never know.
Speaker 8: So I think Buffalo wins this week against Dallas, they're
Speaker 8: gonna get in. They're gonna be the seventh seat, and
Speaker 8: again you don't want to play them.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 8: The Texan situation is interesting. They had lost that game,
Speaker 8: they were terrible.
Speaker 6: C J.
Speaker 8: Stroud was awful against the Jets on Sunday before he
Speaker 8: got hurt, and now it's even more of a problem.
Speaker 3: Behind the scenes sign language. I thought someone's gonna see
Speaker 3: I don't know all I know.
Speaker 2: It's Monday Night football. It's two for the price of one.
Speaker 2: We started in South Florida, where to a tongue of
Speaker 2: by low A Tyreek Hill and the nine and three
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins look to stay at the top of the AFC.
Speaker 3: They entertained the four.
Speaker 2: And eight Tennessee Titans plus the six and six Green
Speaker 2: Bay Packers, with Jordan Love playing well.
Speaker 3: Visit the four and eight New York Football Giants. Oh
Speaker 3: you got in both, Tony, Wow, you nailed it.
Speaker 2: I mean, after three weeks ago completely flubbing everything, you're
Speaker 2: on a streak and you had back to back.
Speaker 3: I give you credit.
Speaker 5: Jp.
Speaker 3: I'm not locking to either one. No, you're not allowed
Speaker 3: to lock anything. I mean, I think the Dolphins boat
Speaker 3: race the Titans, and I think Green Bay is man.
Speaker 3: That's the youngest team in the NFL. Give Matt Lafure
Speaker 3: a ton of it and that young roster. They're doing
Speaker 3: a good job. And Jordan Loves starting. I mean watching
Speaker 3: him last week Monday Night football is like, my goodness,
Speaker 3: this guy's not bad. Turn out, go ahead, I'm taking Miami.
Speaker 2: I mean that's an easy Titan just can't get They
Speaker 2: can't keep pace with that feet And who's green Bay
Speaker 2: playing Giants?
Speaker 3: Because I got so distracted by your inne do you
Speaker 3: like it? I mean, you really think I'm gonna pick
Speaker 3: the Giants? We could do that on Thursdays if you want.
Speaker 3: I'm really gonna pick the Giants. I mean, is the
Speaker 3: kid that's still staying at home with his mom.
Speaker 5: Can't do that?
Speaker 3: Come on, look, I'm not I'm not picking a quarterback. Pete.
Speaker 2: Okay, that still ends up having his mom make his
Speaker 2: bed on a daily base.
Speaker 3: So you got Pete.
Speaker 8: Sorry, Hey, Tebow's dad was on the practice field every
Speaker 8: day in Florida.
Speaker 5: He wanted Heasman trophy, so he's got that going for.
Speaker 3: Didn't work for him in the NFL, though, Pete. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're talking about.
Speaker 8: Thet I got the Dolphins, and I think the Giants
Speaker 8: will hang around. But I think green Bay wins the
Speaker 8: game again. I think it's going to be a little
Speaker 8: closer than expected.
Speaker 5: Green Bay. Keep an eye on them. They are going
Speaker 5: to make the postseason.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a call? Is that a lock? We're not
Speaker 3: walking this week. We're taking a break off. No locks,
Speaker 3: no locks this week, no locks this week. I am
Speaker 3: right now, I am not Pete.
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